With 22-Year Sentence, Ex-Proud Boys Leader Enrique Tarrio Pays Hefty 'Trial Penalty'
Plus: New York City's crackdown on short-term rentals, Brazil's UFO investigations, and more...

Yet another Proud Boy is paying a hefty "trial penalty" for January 6. On Tuesday, a federal judge in Washington, D.C., sentenced former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio to 22 years in prison for his part in organizing the 2021 protest-turned-riot that obstructed Congress' ratification of Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election.
Tarrio was not at the riot on January 6. He was in Baltimore, after having been arrested two days prior in a separate criminal case. He did however post messages encouraging the riot on social media and claimed credit for helping carry it out after the fact.
That was enough to convince a jury three months ago to find him guilty of "seditious conspiracy" for his involvement.
Prosecutors had sought a 33-year sentence for Tarrio. U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly declined to go that far. But he did slap Tarrio with a sentencing enhancement for committing an act of terrorism.
His 22-year sentence is the longest any January 6 defendant has received to date. Fellow Proud Boy Ethan Nordean and Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes have each previously been sentenced to 18 years in prison on seditious conspiracy charges as well.
Most other defendants, including many who directly participated in the riot, have received much more modest sentences of a few months to a few years.
"[Prosecutors] got a really long sentence by asking for something really absurd," said C.J. Ciaramella on yesterday's Reason Roundtable. "In cases where January 6 defendants did plead guilty, expressed remorse, the judges were much more likely to go easy on them."
Those like Tarrio who chose to take it to trial instead of pleading guilty are receiving sentences one might get for murder.
This is an example of what's called the "trial penalty" whereby prosecutors, who would otherwise accept a much lighter sentence as part of a plea bargain, seek much harsher sentences for defendants who insist on a jury trial.
This practice has been harshly criticized by liberal and libertarian groups for effectively punishing people just for exercising their constitutional right to a trial by jury.
The American Bar Association found that average sentences for federal felony convictions are seven years longer for defendants who went to trial. Prosecutors' preference for plea bargains also sees them layer on as many charges or stretch the applicability of vague statutes to coerce defendants into forfeiting their right to a trial.
The end result is that those convicted at trial go to prison for longer than even prosecutors think is necessary.
"Today's sentencing demonstrates that those who attempted to undermine the workings of American democracy will be held criminally accountable," said FBI Director Christopher Wray yesterday. And U.S. Attorney Matthew M. Graves said that those who used "force against their own government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power have now been held accountable."
In other words, both Wray and Graves are satisfied that Tarrio had been held adequately accountable despite the fact that he ended up with a sentence that was a decade less than what the DOJ had advocated for. Their goal was securing a maximum sentence for Tarrio and others, not a sentence just long enough to hold them accountable for his crimes.
Tarrio and others receiving sentences of over a decade for their role in January 6 are hardly sympathetic figures. Yet the amount of time they'll spend in prison is nevertheless a product of a trial penalty that is widely considered to be unjust. If one opposes these enhanced penalties in the routine administration of criminal justice, we should oppose them in the case of the January 6 defendants as well.
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The stories are not the ravings of a UFO buff. They are official assessments by Brazilian pilots and military officers — who often struggled to put into words what they'd seen — and can be found in Brazil's remarkable historical archive of reported UFO visitations.
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Read the whole thing here.
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Yet another Proud Boy is paying a hefty "trial penalty" for January 6.
We treat all rioters alike in this country.
Tarrio was not at the riot on January 6.
We treat all political enemies alike in this country.
Now you've done it, you put out the white mike signal. He will be along shortly to make scurrilous claims of gaslighting and how he pwned you in debate.
[Disclaimer: Mike has never lost a debate because when you show he is full of shit you read his comment wrong even though he admits you read it right but he really believes something you didnt disprove.]
Mike does give Humpty Dumpty a run for his money sometimes.
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“I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't---till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument,'" Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean---neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "Which is to be master---that's all."
Alive was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them---particularly, verbs, they're the proudest---adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs---however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!”
Mike didn't understand the Humpty Dumpty allusion the other day.
Or pretended he didn’t.
Why would an imbecile pretend to be stupid?
To derail the conversation.
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What is hilarious to me is Lewis Carrol wrote that story in response to the terrible corruption of science and mathematics. The abridged version of the book goes through all the allegory. It is a great read.
Interesting, thanks. I’ll check it out.
I’ll see if I can find the version i have. Here is a discussion on it.
https://www.thecuriousreader.in/features/alice-in-wonderland-math/
Or
https://www.magellantv.com/articles/alice-in-wonderlands-hidden-satire-math-slips-down-the-rabbit-hole
"Terrible corruption?" I am a fan of Carrol, but he was a bit of a reactionary and a lot of the things he didn't like have turned out to be very useful.
Such as?
Quaternions. Non-Euclidian geometry. Topology.
To me, anything you can study with appropriate mathematical rigor is a valid part of math worthy of investigation. And a lot of weird stuff does turn out to be useful later, often in unexpected ways.
Grown women as love partners?
How could he reject non-Euclidian geometry! Cthulhu himself uses it!
Rent free, your head, I suppose.
If anyone here wants to discuss any specific thing I have said, go ahead and bring it up.
Caw caw!
Nobody needs a cite, eveyone knows you are a dumbass.
LOL, I unmuted the two gray box gnats to see if they had anything of substance to say — and of course they didn’t. That’s why they are muted.
Did you unmute for your first post? Or are you lying about muting people like you lie about everything else?
Oh Mike, so eager to play. Yet so reluctant to admit it.
Nobody gives a shit who you mute and unmute you officious creep.
OK, so I am Humpty Dumpty but nobody has a specific issue. Only childish comments like, “Caw! Caw!”
If other people ran out of ideas you’d have no ideas at all.
Reason still unwilling to use the term “political persecutions”, which is what all this is. Sad.
Republican voters are probably the largest armed group in the world by number of guns
but we're supposed to believe they mounted an unarmed coup attempt
as much as these prosecutions are manufactured hysterical partisan overreactions, we should be far more worried about any appreciable fraction of Republicans actually forming an armed mob, marching on DC, and burning it all to the ground in response to the partisan corruption of the government
or even just refusing to allow Trump’s arrest
potential for large-scale civil unrest has never been greater since Reconstruction
fortunately football season starts tomorrow
First of all, despite January 6th apologists repetition of the claim the riots were unarmed, there actually were a few rioters with guns.
Fucking useless jackass.
He can’t help but lie.
That’s for liars son.
All the rioters had two arms!
And ten fingers! TEN!!!!!
No one needs ten fingers. And I’ll bet those MAGA maniacs had assault fingers too!
With the thing that goes up?
Yeah but the feds always carry their guns
Fully automatic assult fire extinguishers with high capacity bear spray attachment.
A few miles away and the next day.
You got them mike!
"a few rioters with guns"
In their vehicles in parking lots a half hours walk away, you lying weasel.
Your so utterly disingenuous.
One guy who walked into the building and took photos like a tourist had his carry pistol under his jacket. He never brandished it or drew it, much less fired it, and they only knew he had it because he told his son.
Yeah, Mike, great way to deflect and try to win a point on a technicality.
Cite?
TallDave claimed the protestors were unarmed. Words have meaning: if there were protestors there with guns then it cannot honesty he said the protestors were unarmed.
It was more than the one person you concede. I wasn’t even referring to that person.
Don't be pedantic, Mike. There were hundreds of people, there were about 3 guns.
Doing the "you said no one but there was at least one" idiocy just makes the person saying it look like a fool.
Nope. It makes the person wanting to fudge the meaning of the word “unarmed” look like an apologist who wants to gloss over inconvenient facts.
We know about the few who were _caught_ with guns. Like taking a sampling of fish from a lake, it is likely there were more with guns than were caught.
No, it sounds exactly like anti-abortionists sound when people say, "No one is having elective abortions at 9 months" or like anti-trans people sound when people say, "No one is having voluntary surgery before puberty".
Taking the idea of "no one" and arguing it literally means zero as opposed to how most people use it (so few it isn't statistically relevant or so few it can't be used to make a broader point) is completely dishonest. Were some of them armed? Yes. Were any significant percentage of them armed? No.
That doesn't mean they weren't trying to stop the certification of Trump's loss, it just means that It no one had guns while they were trying to do so.
All ex-chicken farmers with prior convictions for selling stolen diabetic test strips are created equal.
I’m sure you’re well acquainted with diabeetus.
That white boy deserved every bit of his sentence just for claiming his name is Enrique Tarrio and pretending to be Latino. His real name is probably Chauncey Sedgewick III. Bubba for short.
Was it actually a trial penalty, though? Did they offer the guy a plea bargain?
No. But a CI emailed him a document that underlied the entire unspoken conspiracy angle despite the prosecution not proving he even read it.
lol these are practically Reconstruction juries
NPCs programmed to convict as soon as they hear "Republican"
Data shows it is almost impossible for Donald Trump to receive a fair trial in Washington, D.C, with 64 percent of residents polled revealing they would find the former president guilty, without even hearing any evidence. Just eight percent said they would presume innocence.
Yeah. Saw that. The judge is already warning Trumps lawyers about conducting these surveys.
A friend of mine from the Czech Republic says the whole Jan 6 trial situation reminds her of the show trials that used to occur in Eastern Europe.
Because they are.
And Reason's silence is complicity.
And when all of that was going on, most people just kept their heads down and hoped the same didn’t happen to them.
It's a really good question. I can't find any reference to any possibility of a plea deal for Tarrio.
Soviet America makes putins Russia look good.
"Did they offer the guy a plea bargain?"
Yes. They offered Enrique Tarrio 9 to 11 (he got 22), Ethan Nordean 6 to 8 (18), Joe Biggs 6 to 8 (17), Zachary Rehl 6 to 7 (15), and Dominic Pezzola 4 to 5 (10).
"Today's sentencing demonstrates that those who attempted to undermine the workings of American democracy will be held criminally accountable," said FBI Director Christopher Wray
Except the FBI and Christopher Wray.
Questioning election fraud is now treason.
Remember when the US used to criticize dictatorships for imprisoning people for questioning the vote?
Let's be generous and assume you were being knowingly hyperbolic. That may be a mistake, given your history, but generosity is it's own reward.
In case it wasn't: No one has been imprisoned for questioning the vote. The crimes, plea deals, and convictions are all public record.
He did however post messages encouraging the riot on social media and claimed credit for helping carry it out after the fact.
You know who else posted messages of rebellion?
One if by land , two if by sea?
Thomas Paine
Patrick "we must fight, gentlemen, we must FIGHT" Henry.
Yep. And remember, his was angry speech.
He wasn't begging for "Almighty God" to forbid a "life so pure and peace so sweet as to be bought at the cost of chains and slavery," he was demanding!
Back on those days of The Enlightenment, even believers sassed back at God.
Democrats bailing out BLM rioters?
Ted Kaczynski?
#notmypresident
Well, he said he doesn’t work for you.
CHAD?
AOC?
Maxine Waters?
Charlie Daniels?
Johnny Horton
sure. Johnny Reb
Virgil Caine too
He also has a criminally underrated country/rockabilly phase that predated his historical battle anthem phase.
https://youtu.be/AwPVbNEfk1E?feature=shared
I read fight first time and was going to say Beastie Boys.
The White Rose Conspiracy?
Martin Luther?
Travelers to New York City can expect their next stay to be much more expensive, thanks to the city's latest crackdown on Airbnb.
Remember during the pandemic everyone thought, "This is the end of NYC."
Remember during the pandemic everyone hoped, “This is the end of NYC.”
FIFY
Luckily all the illegal immigrants Texas and Florida gave them allowed them to survive and they thrive once again.
Nourished by all the delicious food trucks.
Fortified to clean the penthouse apartments and nanny the kids of all the "average" New York families with 7 digit annual incomes.
They are doing what Poles and Romanians do in the UK.
Careful, Earth. Your envy is showing.
I don’t want NYC to end. Just New Yorkers.
I feel the same way about California.
There was a Californian crying about seeing anti California shirts after he moved to Austin over the weekend. Was hilarious.
At least it moved to Austin and not a good part of Texas. It will feel right at home loitering on 6th St.
You may bot be able to book a room as the hotels will be filled up with illegals. NYC has 130,000 hotel rooms. HEY ABBOTT! Send in some more of those busses.
I have an acquaintance who insists that is "human trafficking" and will definitely be punished as such.
Not me. I never thought we'd have such luck.
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😉
At least one government is telling the truth about UFOs.
Does this mean in the next tent pole summer blockbuster invasion movie, the world is going to be saved not by the United States but by Brazil?
Chris "Fronz" Fronzak, vocalist of metalcore band Attila has announced that he'll seek the Libertarian Party's nomination for president...
Metalcore? Hasn't the LP suffered enough?
At least it is not emo.
Or ELO.
You don't like elo? Don't bring me down
do ya?
You evil woman!
🙂
😉
The family of a woman who died in the Maui wildfires last month is suing the state and a local landowner for allegedly neglecting their fire-prone properties...
Don't worry. Oprah will do a better job with it when it's hers.
I seen the YouTube short where Oprah and The Rock, both rich beyond measure, were begging for donations. So no "You get a car! And you get a car!..."
But he did slap Tarrio with a sentencing enhancement for committing an act of terrorism.
The judge cited the terrorism stemming from knocking down a fence. Why not mention that ENB?
Most other defendants, including many who directly participated in the riot, have received much more modest sentences of a few months to a few years.
Majority of those people committed no violence nor vandalism. How is a few months or years modest?
"In cases where January 6 defendants did plead guilty, expressed remorse, the judges were much more likely to go easy on them."
Government induced fealty statements and again a claim of months to years as state going "easy on them." Many held without bail and in solitary.
What the fuck is this bullshit?
ENB is off today. You can tell by the lack of focus on abortion and sex work.
Fair. Maybe I should just write Koch since they all push his desired talking points.
abortion and sex work
Add legal drugs and you have what is left of the libertarian trifecta.
Thanks to Fatass Donnie's massive spending tax cuts are off the table for a generation.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.
Kill your self you child molester.
Nine out of nine Florida Nazis prefer Joe Biden.
Nazis are traditionally on the right, of course.
But Nazi hate of Russia is still strong from the world wars.
"traditionally"
Right where Democratic socialists assigned them after WW2.
Nobody believes your bullshit pedo.
Children are traditionally off limits sexually. But there’s you.
Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
WW2 was essentially a socialist civil war.
literally hundreds of Layafette Park protesters attacked barricades, there are dozens of videos
lol guess how many are in jail today
hell Democrats still posting brag videos while the FBI sends SWAT teams at 3AM to arrest octogenarian GOP grandmothers
literally hundreds of Layafette Park protesters attacked barricades
What federal crime did they commit?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
Arson upon a national land mark. Assult on federal officers. You know, the same things that happened on Jan 6.
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/01/09/no-the-lafayette-park-protests-were-not-peaceful/comment-page-1/
"Arson upon a national land mark. Assult on federal officers."
Fair enough.
But their most serious crimes were state/local.
I’d say locking people in a federal courthouse and lighting it on fire was pretty serious, but they did commit so many more crimes over most of an entire year before an election it’s hard to keep track.
What kind of sentence did they get for those?
And it’s not disingenuous at all to keep bringing up that nobody has seen any prison time for setting a fire in the basement of St. John’s Episcopal Church without acknowledging nobody knows who did it.
These are the kind of rhetorical games January 6th apologists engage in all the time.
If they don't investigate it is hard to find out. The DOJ got records from every social media company, every cell phone company, and even bank records for purchases made in and around D.C. to track down every grandma who took a selfie with a cop. Did they do that for the arson?
Largely the same ones as J6 dumdum. They even caused trump to head to the bunker which you laughed about.
Attacking Secret Service agents.
You posted dark web links to underage porn!
Posting brag videos and winning multimillion dollar payouts while J6 defendants are winning multi-decade prison sentences.
Seems fair.
Glenn Greenwald nails it again.
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Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
The Democratic Party is the party of:
* CIA/FBI;
* the union of state and corporate power to censor the internet;
* neoconservatives and neoconservatism;
* servitude to the corporate class at the expense of the working class.
* deranged disinformation campaigns:
Are we allowed to listen to him now that he's an alt-right conspiracy theorist like Musk, Taibbi, and Rogan?
Nobody cares what that far-right nazi says.
—Lying Jeffy
Btw, has he posted at all since he was exposed running a sock farm? I've been busy and haven’t been on here much.
Haven’t seen a lot of Fatfuck in awhile. Which is saying something where he’s concerned.
He's enjoying some cocktail time.
https://i.redd.it/just-so-you-know-v0-4xatnllbuhh81.jpg?s=5c4fdc01da5311939a84e60da233e7ddcfc890e3
*gag*
Ya'll are just bound and determined to make me Asexual, aren't you?
🙂
😉
"since he was exposed running a sock farm?"
The fact that you believe InsaneTrollLogic's transparent "outing" of a couple dozen "socks" when all he did was create a handle that was visually similar and posted as if he was them shows you'll believe anything.
Not surprising, but a little sad. Actually, a lot sad.
I'd dispute that it's the party of neoconservatism. Neocons are basically political parasites who habitually glom on to whomever happens to control the establishment at any given time in order to push their own agenda. The fact that these people are promoting Democrats is incidental to the actual party's own priorities. Their alliance on Russian policy, for instance, is tied to the neocons' decades-long animus against the Stalinist Soviet Union as ex-Trotskyites, while for the Democrats it goes back to the fight over whose respective puppet was going to be in charge of the Ukraine.
Where does Nuland fit into this?
Nuland is a neoliberal in the Clinton mold. To the extent she and her husand disagree on anything, it's probably tax cuts.
neoconservatism
The father of neoconservatism, Leo Strauss, despised liberals for our success and feared that humans would turn on traditional religious dogma in favor of hedonism.
Naturally Mothers Lament would make him into a hero.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Quit sniffing my ass, Sevo.
Go track someone else.
No one can sniff your ass with your fat head stuck up it.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
"The father of neoconservatism, Leo Strauss, despised liberals "
He also made a mean pair of jeans.
No, no, that's Levi.
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Nobody buys your bullshit, pedo.
Neocons tend to be secular and detest religious believers. Thats why you're so supportive of the Bulwark claque these days.
Also, Irving Kristol is the father of neoconservatism, not Strauss.
Strauss taught the generation of neocons that Irving Kristol belonged to.
And yes, they weren't religious. Religion is useful for the masses. Neocons use religion to control voters. That tactic is pure conservative playbook.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit. a pederast and a TDS-addled asshole besides.
Speaking of neocons aren't you a Ukraine war aficionado and devout Bill Kristol reader?
Tell us again how Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney are the only good Republicans, and send us another David Frum essay.
Strauss taught the generation of neocons that Irving Kristol belonged to.
Everyone knows your bald assertions are bullshit, shriek. The "generation of neocons" that Kristol belonged to were secular leftists.
And yes, they weren’t religious. Religion is useful for the masses. Neocons use religion to control voters. That tactic is pure conservative playbook.
Uh, pretty sure most conservatives are actually religious, or at least don't denigrate its place in most functional societies.
Hedonism? Like indulging your child porn fetish?
The father of neoconservatism, Leo Strauss... Naturally Mothers Lament would make him into a hero.
Pluggo, literally the only neocon posting here, is now pretending he's opposed to Strauss?
Note that he wasn't a neocon when they ran the Republican party. Now that they're fellow Democrats, he's happy to promote their articles.
We keep being told schools and libraries aren't indoctrination kids, that their teaching is not to promote marxism. Yet they keep admitting it out out.
https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/09/04/american-library-association-president-says-libraries-should-be-sites-of-socialist-organizing-n2163412
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Emily got in line at the microphone.
She was called “comrade” just like the others in line.
And when it was her turn, she said this:
I’m Emily and I'm a librarian.
(There’s a large round of applause - the crowd knew who Emily was)
I just want to say thank you for bringing up libraries, and classroom libraries, but also school libraries of all kind, public libraries and higher education library who have been under attack in similar ways
I think your point that public education needs to be a site of socialist organizing, I think libraries really do too.
If these people are going to treat school and public libraries as inherently political entities to promote their own specific political agenda, they've lost whatever cover they have regarding the pretense towards issues of censorship and free speech, as they are community entities being financed by people who may not all share that political ideology. And in that case, if the community decides to hound and harrass these people out, or remove themselves from association with the ALA altogether, that is the consequence of brazenly promoting radical left politics in what should be a neutral setting.
Also, town hiring boards need to watch for campus buzzwords like "intersectionality" or "social justice" in the resume, whether the applicant uses "preferred pronouns" in the application, and if they have colored hair, tats, or facial piercings of any kind when called in for an interview (which needs to be face to face or on Zoom, not a phone call), and surreptitiously reject those applicants.
Do an image search on Emily Drabinski the president of the American Library Association.
Over/Under 7 cats?
Looks like she does love some pussy.
What sentences were given to participants in the previous sit-ins in Congress?
Can you say more about why you think it is a relevant baseline? Do you consider sit-ins to be equivalent to violently smashing one’s way into a session of Congress that is part of the constitutionally-mandated process for peacefully transitioning from one presidential administration to the next?
Dee’s still playing ignorant on who has been prosecuted for what. I bet she doesn’t even know Trump was still speaking when the doors were broken into (except the doors opened by Capitol Police).
Trump told them to do it peacefully. They didn't listen, so it's Trump's fault.
remember when the FBI rounded up all the people who violently protested Trump's inauguration?
they must still be in prison, right?
Government drops charges against all inauguration protesters
"The solidarity we showed as defendants won out," said one activist whose charges were previously dropped.
“MUST SEE:
Never forget what the left did on January 20th, 2017- and how they were all absolved from accountability by the courts, the media, (including Reason) and the government.”
https://twitter.com/BrandonStraka/status/1697738197701128581
And let’s say that chain of events happened exactly as you (vaguely) characterize it, how does that make what the January 6th rioters did OK?
Because legal precedents were set. It’s obviously not that bad of a thing if no one was punished for it before hand.
No. It means a bad legal precedent was set.
And here we are getting back to the problem that your claims are vague and hand wavey. No specifics whatsoever. So are there any truly analogous cases where any precedent has really been set?
You’re a hypocritical piece of shit. Kill yourself.
The charge for most is interfering with a government function. This could be said of those that entered the capitol and shut down the Kavanaugh hearing, which is also a government function. Many of them were charged and received little punishment.
For those who rioted, that's a different story. But I don't think it's hard to understand that people who watch a year's worth of rioting on TV and all the anti-Trump protesting would think they would get the same treatment if they rioted or protested. That doesn't excuse any rioting but does allow for people to point out the difference in how people were treated.
Mike’s defending a two-tiered justice system, he’s just being as weaselly as possible doing it.
What? Never. He, Sarc and Jeffy are the only true libertarians left on here. They constantly assure us of that.
Sarc took a test!
The funny thing, I took the same test and scored higher on the libertarian category then he did, and I don't even claim to be a libertarian.
USSC agrees to take up legal challenge of keeping Trump off ballots under the 14th amendment with no convictions for rebellion or insurrection.
https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/09/05/supreme-court-to-take-up-first-fourteenth-amendment-challenge-to-trumps-candidacy-n2163462
My guess is Roberts formulating a standing issue yo dismiss leaving the question up in the air to cause confusion during next years elections.
No, the Supreme Court has not "agreed to take up" this legal challenge to Trump appearing on ballots.
They're only deciding whether to take it up or not.
“ Who is Scott Alexander?
I’m a doctor on the US West Coast, currently working on new models for mental health care at Lorien Psychiatry. I’ve also written Unsong, a serial novel about alternate history American kabbalists.”
Bummer. I thought this was all coming from the former San Francisco Giants pitcher.
Whoops. Comment in wrong place.
“Software engineer “ indeed.
Fuck off and die, lefty pile of shit.
Has anyone for Reason ever equivocated in such a fashion for antifa? BLM? or even saint Floyd?
No. Because cops in Seattle used unmarked vans to arrest violent demonstrators which was such an egregious injustice the rioters are heros.
it's not insurrection when the left does it, it's "autonomy"
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone
Simple wiki for simple minds by simple minds.
it’s way funnier than the other one
On May 29, 2020, many people gathered to protest the killing of George Floyd. Some people fought police and soldiers, but nobody died.[3] Some people stood around a building with police inside. Police used pepper spray to get the people to go away, but it did not work. Then, police covered the windows in the building with wood. Then, police went away and did not lock the doors in the building.[1] The people who stood around the building then falsely stated that the area with and near the building was a new country, and was not in the United States of America anymore.
"The Endangered Species Act could force the Sioux Falls Zoo to destroy some decades old, arsenic-containing taxidermied lions, tigers, and gorillas. "
“there is no acceptable level of risk when you are dealing with a known carcinogen,” City Attorney Dave Pfeifle told reporters last week."
Cue sunbelt Wholefoods ban on vegan staples :
" Florida soils contain natural arsenic concentrations which can exceed 10 mg/kg… organic-rich soils often having the highest concentrations.
They will be safe with a prop 65 warning.
""“there is no acceptable level of risk when you are dealing with a known carcinogen,” City Attorney Dave Pfeifle told reporters last week.”""
Is he advocating staying indoors? The sun is a known carcinogen.
there is no acceptable level of risk when you are dealing with a known carcinogen,”
It’s true! Just ask any vampire about sunlight.
What a fucking retard. There is some acceptable level of risk when dealing with anything. Otherwise no one would ever do anything.
Basically anything is a carcinogen. Caffeine is. Chocolate is. Fuck I love how the party of science doesn't understand basic fucking science.
But fortunately no bears in trunks near the gas tank that contains gasoline known by The State of California to cause cancer in laboratory animals who huff it until dead and have no chance to develop tumors.
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...Scott Alexander unveils his presidential platform in which he proposes giving billionaires naming rights over new aircraft carriers (for a price) and appointing Donald Trump as a constitutional monarch.
"On the order of His Royal Highness, Donald the Orange, First of His Name, four F-18 Taco Bell Super Hornets departed the aircraft carrier USS William Gates Mosquito Farm to carry out a targeted strike on Chy-Na..."
Why didn't I apply for that proofreading job?
You’re not related to anyone involved?
What proofreading job?
Seriously, there's no copy editing at Reason. The "decadesold' tradition from print publications is just superfluous fluff, now. Just file your story, collect your check, and the post bot will put it online at the scheduled time.
Except for the occasional repost from the magazine, everything we are reading here are blog posts. Of course they aren’t proofread, and of course they contain mistakes. That’s the nature of blogging.
" 22 years in prison... encouraging the riot on social media and claimed credit for helping carry it out after the fact."
There's a Brickbats today where Saudi Arabia has sentenced a man to death for doing a similar thing.
These judges and prosecutors need to be brought before a Nuremberg-like tribunal for their participation in this slow-rolling coup.
This seems to be a violation of Article 19 in the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
One day, you will understand what a criminal conspiracy is.
Sadly, that day is not today.
Fuck off fascist slime.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Did you fly Delta yesterday, Sevo? Someone shit up a flight so bad the plane had to turn around.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
If he didn't but still took a shit, is he guilty of criminal conspiracy? I mean bin laden wasn't on the plane either.
One day, you will understand what a criminal conspiracy is.
Sadly, that day is not today.
The problem is that ML doesn't understand today as much as the fact that you never will. Right up to the point that the criminal conspiracy puts a bullet in your head or denies you life-saving medication on your deathbed, you won't understand any more than any given cow understands the conspiracy against it.
You first.
"One day, you will understand what a criminal conspiracy is."
I understand it just fine, Mike. That's what I was complaining about.
Unfortunately you seem to think that a guy sending tweets is a criminal conspiracy, but not the arrangement between the prosecutors, judges and the Democratic party to railroad innocents for the purposes of intimidating protestors and dissidents.
I can't tell if your evil or stupid.
Why does it have to be one or the other? Pretty sure it's both.
The British government is for the moment backing off its plans to use new powers under an online safety bill to "scan messaging apps for harmful content..."
As far as you know, anyway.
Climate scientist: Yes, I cooked my Nature article on global warming -- and here's why
Been happening for decades. Lysenkoism is strong.
It’s for your own good.
saving the planet
What ever will his seven UCal coauthors have to say on their own?
He's published his complaint in the oxymoronic Free Press, where you have to pay to comment.
A year passed between the paper's submission to Nature and its acceptance , which suggests a fair amount of peer review.
.. which suggests a fair amount of peer review.
Also suggests they are all doing it too.
"He’s published his complaint in the oxymoronic Free Press, where you have to pay to comment."
That's got to be hard on you fifty-centers. Thoughts and prayers.
Almost all peer reviewed journals require you to pay to submit and publish. Have undergone the process myself. And am published.
Fauci the war criminal.
"Fauci Knew NIH Funded Wuhan’s Gain-of-Function Research as Pandemic Began, Email Reveals"
Of course he started doing this back in 2014 when the Obama administration stopped him from doing gain-of-function research stateside.
Fauci must stand trial for his crimes against humanity.
future students of history will scoff at the farfetched idea the highest paid US government employee not only illegally funded a pandemic, but was also put in charge of the response
let alone that he successfully covered it up and was still feted as a hero by half the country for years after
terrible script
Fatass Donnie was supposed to drain the swamp. Instead Fauci made Donnie his pandemic bitch.
Yet another failure of his 2017-2021.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
Hey shrike. Last year you were crowing about how Biden reduced the deficit by 1T (lie by even CBO standards). Now that the estimated deficit is over 2T, what's your excuse going to be?
He hasn’t received that email yet.
Now that the estimated deficit is over 2T
Donnie's last deficit was $3.1 trillion.
Ahh. Going with congress has no role in one time expenditures so 2T on non one time expenditures is fine.
You misspelled Pelosi.
turd always lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
The whole story of COVID is so evil that people don't think humans could perpetrate it, which is ironic based on observable history. (Especially the atrocities that other governments perpetrate, by comparison this one is just the lesser of two evils.)
I paid income taxes in those years, I personally apologize for all the people that die from COVID. I'll vote libertarian every election for the rest of my life trying to atone for this, and I'm not too happy to be forced to fund another mass murder experiment by the US government. Not that I would ever violate property rights to vent my displeasure, for a lot of people the deaths of despair we can see statistically should make perfect sense.
I believe the only American political party that will hold government accountable is the LP.
The only thing is: The Libertarian Party has had 51 years to get their shit wired tight and hasn't yet. Don't let unearned guilt drive you to waste time. I'm saving my voting time and energy for better things that might actually make us free.
time. I’m saving my voting time and energy for better things that might actually make us free.
What things could those be?
Saving money and stockpiling non-perishables, spending less when spending is necessary, buying less in general, when it becomes possible, working less. All of this will save more on sales and income taxes than anything any party has done. It'll have to do until somebody gets serious.
"Bioethicist", S. Matthew Liao: In order to tackle "climate change", humans should be genetically modified to be intolerant to meat.
"If we eat less meat, we could significantly reduce our greenhouse gas emissions. Now, some people would be willing to eat less meat, but they lack the willpower. Human engineering could help... We could artificially induce intolerance to meat, and in this way, we can create an aversion to eating eco unfriendly food."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/climate-scientist-admits-editing-paper-to-fit-preapproved-narratives/ar-AA1gix2R?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=96d1990ea4e74590b9ca90ce0c56ccc3&ei=10
Can they do it through global warming mRNA vaccines?
Do you want reeves? Because this is how you get reeves. Has firefly taught him nothing?
Reavers?
I want a companion if she looks like Morena
What a coincidence! People are becoming allergic to meat after getting bitten by ticks.
"A second report found that cases of alpha-gal syndrome are rising. From 2017 through 2021, the CDC said, the number of new cases increased by about 15,000 each year."
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/alpha-gal-syndrome-red-meat-ticks-lone-star-rcna96636
Alpha-Gal? Is she clad in black rubber and wear a Futanari strap-on?
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These technocrats with a god complex, especially in academia, need to be shoved through a woodchipper.
Ticks?
Yes.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alpha-gal-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20428608
'Guess all us meat-lovers will have to *ahem!* check each other for ticks!
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Brad Paisley--Ticks (Album Version)
https://youtu.be/eWFncFuwsAo?si=SCnyEs9cPiUiloo5
For Libertarians, this is especially obligatory because, as Brother Dave Gardner observed: "Everybody's talkin' about politics, dog ticks, wood ticks, bed ticks!...They're all parasitical!"
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Unlike COVID, this sounds like an open invitation for hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of intolerant meat eaters to eat meat, shit in one of those Chinese carry out boxes, and have it delivered to your door, every day, until you die.
Go on…
— Sqrlsy
Wait, doesn't raising meat require raising tons more of vegetation to feed it? Doesn't that produce automatic Carbon offset?
This tracks. Progressives, Eugenics...nothing new under the sun.
Per the USDA all meat production in the US accounts for less than 9% of GHG emissions. Agriculture combined, at all levels less than 14%. Not sure how he figures not eating meat will reduce GHG emissions significantly. (Note that the 5% points that are non meat related would have to increase dramatically to make up for the nutritional losses related to not eating meat, besides we don't have enough arable land to make up the difference, so in the end it would be a wash. Additionally, agriculture tends to store far less carbon than range land utilized for beef production).
"giving billionaires naming rights over new aircraft carriers"
Nah. Billionaires don't need that.
They just need unlimited, unrestricted immigration and a $0.00 / hour minimum wage. Isn't that right, Reason staffers? 🙂
#OpenTheBordersToHelpCharlesKoch
lol the organizers of the most destructive riots in US history got mansions and $83B
the far more destructive Democrat DC rioters in Lafayette park got 95% of charges dropped and an official promise to be more gentle next time
if you're a Democrat you can literally hand out Molotovs while burning police cars and receive a smaller sentence than a Republican who wandered through an open door and took a selfie
this is a partisan civil war being waged by only one side
Always the same deflections from dealing with the reality that your idealogical colleagues on the right did something very wrong.
[Disclaimer: Not excusing any rioting on the part of the left. But there is a simple principle we all supposedly learned in kindergarten: Two wrongs don’t make a right.]
What would wingnuts do without BLM thugs to blame for everything?
You were banned for posting links to child pornography.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
lol if you don't support equal enforcement of the law then you are, in fact, excusing the left's rioting
Tarrio did no more rioting than Patricia Cullors
officers standing near Floyd were convicted of murder
Morris and Byrd were given medals for murdering unarmed women
I do support equal enforcement of the law. That still doesn’t mean one can keep deflecting by pointing to the left’s having done this or that and gotten away with it.
Unless one is an ethical coward and hypocrite, one owns up to what one’s own side has done.
[Disclaimer: And I’m not a Democrat or liberal or progressive. I’m a libertarians, so if you want to talk about what “my side” has done you’ll have to find an example of libertarian rioting.]
Mike Liarson declares what side everyone else is on, then reminds us he’s not on a side.
I do support equal enforcement of the law. That still doesn’t mean one can keep deflecting by pointing to the left’s having done this or that and gotten away with it.
Actually, it does, you retard. Do you just not know what the word "equal" means? Moreover, equal prosecution of the law is a long-standing constitutional principle. There is a long list of cases that establish the idea that prosecutors cannot pick and choose cases based on the politics of the defendants. So, when idiots like you talk about how "it doesn't matter that they never prosecute red lights, if you are guilty, you can be prosecuted" or some such nonsense, are spouting lies.
The fact that you would even try to justify a situation where the law is being selectively prosecuted based on the politics of the defendants is just appalling. It just shows you to be a unprincipled lying piece of trash.
New here?
"It just shows you to be a unprincipled lying piece of trash."
When it comes to Mike, this is a reserved understatement.
I'm pretty sure there is an entire amendment that requires equal application of the law. What was it again? I think it was passed after the civil war. Can't put my finger on it.
Stop lying about not being a Democrat.
And no you are not supporting equal protection. Youre defending why this time prosecutions are just when you spent 2 years defending BLM riots. You are literally arguing for unequal protections based on your statements.
Oh yeah, Mike Liarson, the Liarbertarian. Always good for a laugh. No Liarson, we're definitely laughing at you, not with you.
You are an unethical coward, hypocrite extraordinaire. Go fuck yourself with Lucy (as in Neegan's barbwire-wrapped bat).
All Mike's disclaimers are lies.
“”I do support equal enforcement of the law. “”
Then I would think you would spend more time complaining about those who got away with it.
You celebrated your riots then celebrated up to 20 year sentences for even non violent actors of the other side. Fuck off Mike.
You never learned that ever. You’re lying leftist piece of shit.
first, i will say that destruction of property is destruction of property and those guilty of it at other riots should also be held accountable.
second, if you think NOBODY at the capitol did ANYTHING BUT just walk in and take a selfie.... you are a fucking moron.
If you think anyone deserves 20 years for 'planning' a protest, you are more of an ignoramus than you've already proven yourself to be.
Fuck off and lie, steaming pile of lefty shit.
"If you think anyone deserves 20 years for ‘planning’ a protest,"
not something i have ever said, shit-for-brains.
And yet, fuck-face, you're just fine with it.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
you don't even know what you are talking about half the time, let alone what i am "fine" with.
Except when it's obvious from your comments, asshole.
Eat shit and die.
eat shit and die, eat shit and die..... SQUAWK!!!!
"second, if you think NOBODY at the capitol did ANYTHING BUT just walk in and take a selfie…. you are a fucking moron."
This is true, we have FBI personnel on video calling for the crowds to storm the Capitol and breaking windows.
wait.... so the argument is that the FBI made them do it?
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes, there are videos showing that.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
the feds MADE them do it.......
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
i don't really give a fuck what misinterpreted BS you guys are watching. the argument amounts to saying they are all too mentally deficient to ever be held accountable for anything they ever do. "duh....... i only rioted because somebody said to."
Do you know what entrapment is and why it's illegal? Instead of ridiculing the idea, maybe understand the concept first.
Hint: it is illegal for law enforcement to entice someone to commit a crime and then detain and prosecute them for the crime you enticed them to commit.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
"duh.... nobody made it clear to us that rioting is bad..... total entrapment."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
even if you guys have a video with some cop saying "go break those windows," you are still arguing that those motherfuckers were too stupid to know that was wrong. your argument is that those trump supporters are all too mentally deficient to understand the most basic concepts of right and wrong. (and that is without even getting into the absurdity of the notion that NOBODY there did anything without a cop telling them to do it.)
Speaking of STOOOOPID, read asshole's account of it.
Yeah, a uniformed cop told them to do it, not an agent provocateur, you simple minded piece of shit.
wait...... you are saying it wasn't even a uniformed officer you guys have watched on a video? it is someone in regular clothes that some random person on you tube CLAIMED was a cop?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
so they don't even have any excuse for "thinking" it was a cop telling them to do it? the poor simpletons just can't be trusted to not do anything some random people tell them to do. how dare we hold such mindless sheep accountable?
why are you trying so hard to say what complete morons they all were?
A man wearing an earpiece is caught on video breaking a Capitol window but has never been added to the FBI's most wanted list, arrested, or charged.
In the video, the unidentified man, dressed like a FBI agent, encourages a journalist to break the window, saying, "Why don't you guys open up the rest of it?"
The journalist responds, "Because I think that would probably be illegal."
The masked man acknowledges the illegality by saying, "Well, I know," but then suspiciously breaks the window himself.
Shortly after realizing he is being recorded, the masked man quickly drops the window and violently shoves another man, awkwardly blaming him for breaking the window.
Funny how the guys caught on video breaking windows and calling for insurrection never get charged but a guy in a buffalo headdress who follows the cops around gets locked up forever.
If you weren't a paid shill, Jeff, you would admit it was extremely concerning.
"A man wearing an earpiece ....."
that's it? that's your big "evidence?" an earpiece? on one random person you acknowledge is completely unidentified?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
and that leads to the argument that EVERYONE there was acting on the guidance of this one unidentified person? all those poor little sheep were led astray by one person with an earpiece.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
Doesn't know what fucking entrapment is. Obviously.
well now that someone has bothered to tell the story behind the claim....... that isn't entrapment...... it is one unidentified person with an "earpiece." you don't even know it was a cop. and even if it was, (and that cop was not just a trump supporter who didn't take his gear off) you can't blame the actions of all of those people on that one guy. if one random person with an earpiece in a mob says you should kill someone, you are not magically licensed to kill.
We think he's a cop because he hasn't been charged, even though he actually broke a window on video. When there were cameras everywhere but the ones who actually broke in aren't identified and charged. but ones who walked in after the first group opened the way are sent to jail for years, the _only_ explanation is that the first group were provocateurs working for the cops to entrap the second group.
"We think he’s a cop because he hasn’t been charged, even though he actually broke a window on video."
so, he is unidentified.... but you all know that the cops HAVE been able to identify him and you know he has not been charged?
at what point do you clowns understand how insane all your BS sounds?
I can only assume stupido rejected his lawyers advice who told him he would not be tried before his peers in the USA but tried by Judge 'Putin' in a satellite of the USSR on charges reserved for traitors turning over military secrets, and to let them bargain down the sentence.
???
You really are the most obtuse person that comments here.
Don't sell yourself short. You're very obtuse. You just post an occasional fatuous snipe.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Dee doesn’t understand what people are saying on a regular basis, when it’s quite clear to everyone else.
And you were banned for posting links to child pornography.
Hey. Give him a break. He just learned what non sequitur means 2 weeks ago. But dee thinks herself a genius.
Buttplug with a new word is like a monkey with a machine gun.
Naah. The monkey's more honest. And smarter!
Tarrio was not at the riot on January 6. He was in Baltimore
And Osama bin Laden wasn't in the US on 9/11.
turd makes a public ass of himself yet once more. turd lies; it's what turd does.
And king snowflake makes a return crying some more.
Fuck off and die, lefty shit
dude no.
Facts hurt huh?
its embarrassing comment required help.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
Out of town “protester” = BinLaden
/shitlunches
"And Osama bin Laden wasn’t in the US on 9/11."
How is tweets of encouragement during the protest where the only people who got killed were protestors, the same as planning 9/11?
I'd like you and your raspberry sock to both explain that hot take.
1/6 was spontaneous and opportunistic. 9/11 was planned.
That’s not accurate. 9/11 was _more_ planned than 1/6, but there was planning behind 1/6: from scheduling of a rally to be directly preceding the Congressional validation of the electoral vote to groups like the Proud Boys planning their participation.
"Election workers are being bombarded with death threats, the U.S. government says"
[...]
"More than a dozen people nationally have been charged with threatening election workers by a Justice Department unit trying to stem the tide of violent and graphic threats against people who count and secure the vote..."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/election-workers-are-being-bombarded-with-death-threats-the-u-s-government-says
12 people in a nation of 350 million! "Bombarded", I tell you!
CelebratoryCritical Parallax: When our side wins, there wasn't enough manipulation to change the outcome. When there's a chance your side could win, anywhere between several hundred down to even a dozen people is enough to collapse our democracy.At Astral Codex Ten, Scott Alexander unveils his presidential platform in which he proposes giving billionaires naming rights over new aircraft carriers (for a price) and appointing Donald Trump as a constitutional monarch.
Sounds like seditious conspiracy to me. Seize his subscriber list and string them all up!
and appointing Donald Trump as a constitutional monarch.
Donnie is working on that for himself right after he shit-cans the US Constitution.
He is Cartman at 77. Don't question his authority.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Your Soros prosecutors have shit-canned the constitution, what? Eight? Nine times in their political lawfare campaign against Trump? But somehow our DNC fifty-center Pluggo insists Trump will do it too some day.
Why don't you explain to everyone how he's going to do that, Plugstick.
Purge the Marxists.
What's the longest sentence for those who encouraged the BLM riots? (In which rioters actually killed and maimed countless people and were generally a thousand times worse than J6).
Even if that were the case (it's not), no BLM protest ever attempted to overthrow a government.
Fuck off with your whataboutism you traitor apologist.
Creating a self-declared autonomous zone free from the US government is not an attempt to over throw government locally? Or does it only count if it is in DC?
It only counts if the property is occupied by politicians.
They claimed that area was no longer under US jurisdiction. That's overthrowing the federal government.
The entire BLM rioting was using terroristic threads of violence to enact political change you fucking retard.
No government was attempted to be overthrown retard. The cops were much better armed as you see by then killing 2 protestors.
A 3 hour riot was an attempt? Lol. Fuck off retard.
Seattle literally had a block declare itself not part of the US for fucks sake.
raspberrydinners has a reputation of being dimwitted.
Hey, the dim-witted object to being compared to a brain-dead pile of lefty shit.
No, BLM attempted to bring Race War to the U.S. Dummy!
Sanford Dummy Reel
https://youtu.be/moYdbNXBwvk
And I'll be the first to say a pox on everybody's house who attempts to keep me from getting though a damn day! Quit ruining my life and get off my asphalt-covered lawn!
Fuck off with your whataboutism you traitor apologist.
Time to go watch the video again of your buddies Joseph Rosenbaum, Anthony Huber, and Gage Grosskreutz get what's coming them, so I can laugh at your allies getting plugged.
I’m impressed, Reason, you kept it very neutral and just-the-facts-ma’am reporting on the 22 year sentence for a riot where some of the defendants weren’t even there.
Neutral? Guess that's what "both sides-ing" an attempted coup is now.
Do you read over your posts before you make them or is everything you post off-the-cuff stupidity?
It's part of the sock drawer, apparently.
If a riot explicitly calls for "regime change" and wants to overthrow the patriarchal capitalistic system, is that "an attempted coup", if not, why not.
"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged provisions against danger, real or pretend, from abroad." James Madison, 1793, in reply to the aliens and seditious acts and the quasi war.
Oh, BTW, the lefts favorite founding fathers (who wasn't mixed race BTW) even Adams came to fear was championing expanding the military so that he could overthrow the government and set himself up as a tyrant. I'm speaking of Hamilton. This doesn't quite fit here, but it definitely goes along with the mentality of idiots like Raspberry and FO-Odd or whatever the socks name is above.
1798 not 1793.
Good. Rot in prison.
Now go start rounding up BLM, Antifa, and the LGBTP as well. All these hyper-partisan anti-American fanatics deserve each other. In the same rotting hole.
> This is an example of what's called the "trial penalty" whereby prosecutors, who would otherwise accept a much lighter sentence as part of a plea bargain, seek much harsher sentences for defendants who insist on a jury trial.
Nonsense. That's a gamble a defendant chooses to make, based on the perceived strength of their case. No different than offering a settlement. Settlement might be peanuts - but it's a sure thing. If you're looking for restitution, take it. If you're grabbing for the brass ring - well, you might get it, or you might end up worse off than where you started.
Monty shows you Door #1. That's a guarantee. He then shows you Doors #2 and #3. One is fantastic, the other is a donkey.
Getting the donkey isn't a "penalty." It's you taking a risk and losing.
It is so cute that you can act all tough about Antifa when you know as well as anyone else, they will never be prosecuted much less face a sentence like this.
Fuck off fascist.
Antifa is the armed wing of the globalists that currently control the government where most of these riots occur. Why would they prosecute their own storm troopers?
Should they?
(The answer is yes, but I want to see you say it. Because I'm setting you up in order to illustrate precisely why MAGA is essentially no different whatsoever than BLM/Antifa - and that your support of one over the other is nothing but mindless partisanship and tribalism.)
Youre still going full authoritarian statist I see.
Clearly you are in urgent need of an optometrist's care.
Now go start rounding up BLM, Antifa, and the LGBTP as well.
Uh, which "P" are we talking about here?!?
I'm Pansexual, Peaceful to Peaceful People, Pro-Libertarian, and Pro-RKBA and I despise Pedophiles and don't want them anywhere near the Alphabet!
Any "P" you use should include Passing Me By.
Pansexual? Does that include appliantology?
Not electric or gas appliances. That would hurt. Only the non-heated cookware.
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> I despise Pedophiles and don’t want them anywhere near the Alphabet!
Might need to have a talk with the club leadership then. Because the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow flag is diddling kids. Always has been. For decades.
If you take a broad look at LGBTP activism over the course of the last five decades, it's always been the same. Normalize, popularize, target the insecure, self-loathing, insane, and/or disenfranchised, insulate from criticism, educate/indoctrinate, enable "consent" - then we see the true predatory face of it all.
Which, you'll notice, in 2023 they're not even hiding anymore.
Not with me or any LGBTQ person I've ever met. And where it does exist, Pedophilia exists within the Straight community as well. No one of good will or any orientation should want abuse of children or dumb animals.
Then start policing your own. You a member of Gays Against Groomers? That's a good start.
Normal people are all too happy to round up pedophiles and feed them to dogs. The LGBTP is a little more remiss and, when they're not outright providing cover/making excuses for the P in their acronym, they're trying to sweep them under the rug.
Because criticism of one is criticism of all (same reason the rainbow club goes for the jugular against TERFs). And they feed off of hate to keep playing the hate/oppressed victim card in perpetuity. Do you have a problem with what Disney and Target and the Teacher's Unions are up to? Are you doing anything to speak out against them? Or... might that upset some of your "allies?"
I practice situational awareness like any good citizen of a free, civilized society and every rational, moral being. And when I have suspected child abuse may be happening in the past, I recounted it to and deferred to the expertise of law enforcement. In the incidents, as far as I could tell, the adults were Heterosexual parents.
And, of course, in a Without Rule Of Law (WROL) scenario, I would take matters into my own hands to protect children.
Every religious believer here can also vouch that I am ruthless against the abuse inflicted on children by either religions or secular government-supported institutions acting on a religious or pseudo-therapeutic basis, such as Utah’s STAR camps.
But I am Pansexual as a matter-of-fact trait. I am not a Collectivist or an Organization Man, so I have no “own” to “police” any more or less than anyone else. Everyone is morally and legally responsible for his or hers, Xe or Xers own acts and nobody else's.
I’m also Childfree By Choice, so I am not delivering any children for any brainwashers or abusers such as Teachers’ Unions to work on and turn into cogs in a wheel. That’s my little Bachelor’s Mite contribution to a better world.
Also, I gave up on Disney+ streaming with that stupidly-premised Marvel Comic movie The Immortals.
And my local Target was up to now was the closest in-store location for exchanging my SodaStream CO2 cartridges and it’s the only reason I go. If White Mike is reading this, that’s CO2, not C2O. And yeah, Misek, that’s (((SodaStream)))
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Since now I see online that Kohl’s now does SodaStream cartridge exchanges and SodaStream accepts exchanges by mail with free shipping, I’ll gladly drop Target’s SodaStream exchange.
Otherwise, who the Hell are you?
Except this is supposed to be justice, not a game show. Plea deals for reduced sentence are abomination. The right to trial is very important and shouldn't be tempered by an increased risk.
Pretty sure there is also an amendment guaranteeing the right to a trial by jury. It doesn't say anything, that I am aware of, that it is okay to then sentence them to a harsher sentence than if they bow down and forgo that right.
It is justice. Do you have problems with civil settlement offers too?
Remember what a trial is. One side makes allegations, the other side denies them, the former has the burden of proof to substantiate the allegations, the latter has the ability to defend themselves by rebutting/impeaching said substance, the judge sits there to make sure that the rules are followed, possibly a jury sits there as well to determine whether the moving party made their case or whether the defending party established sufficient doubt.
So, the hardest part about all this is obviously substantiating the allegations. Especially when you have to convince a jury that you did so.
Wellll... how about if you get the defendant to just admit to the allegations? That's all a plea deal is. It's a offer (in criminal matters, usually to reduce charges) in exchange for the defendant making an admission, thus substantiating the allegations - thus sparing the need for a trial.
And you don't have to take it. Like I said: how strong do you think your case is?
Well, for the leader of a violent gang like the Proud Bois - whose mission statement is effectively to go out and gin up trouble for the sole purpose of inciting the opposition to the point of reaction, so that they can then eagerly engage in "justified violence" (their term) and hide behind disingenuous claims of self-defense - gotta say, going to have a hard time rebutting/impeaching prosecution's case when you're the leader of a gang who's modus operandi is... pretty much what we saw on J6.
Civil and criminal are two separate issues. And covered by two separate amendments dipshit, because the founding fathers understood that abuse of the criminal justice system is one of the quickest ways to tyranny. Mainly because that was one of the big complaints about the British.
Yes, but they operate the same. The State makes an accusation of criminal conduct, the defendant denies it, the State then has to prove their case. That could go either way. Just like it could for the defendant. But if they can convince the defendant to admit to a crime, and the defendant doesn't believe his side will play any better with a jury - he can accept the plea, or he can take the risk.
If he takes the risk and loses, the only thing he's got left to work with are sentencing guidelines. And appeals from prison.
This is not abuse of the criminal justice system. These people were rioting thugs engaged in intentional mayhem, possibly even premeditated. The abuse of the criminal justice system is when we DON'T charge similarly situated people the same way and hold them equally accountable.
The fact that we fail in that, however, does not mean that anyone else should therefore automatically get a pass.
That is to say, if Person A murders someone and gets off with a slap on the wrist, that doesn't mean that Person B should then feel empowered to murder someone and expect a slap on the wrist for it.
It means the injustice occurred with Person A. Not with Person B.
Please list violence by the proud boys. Or oath keepers.
Off the top of my head? Charlottesville, Portland, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Washington DC, Chicago, pretty much anywhere there was a George Floyd "protest", and so forth.
Because they show up specifically and singularly to "counter-protest." They intentionally clash with protesters in order to heat up an already simmering situation, and then they react with "justified violence" when given the opportunity.
It's long past time to go gangbuster on them. And I'm glad we're doing so. Wish we'd show the same zeal towards BLM/Antifa/LGBTP.
>>>Yet another Proud Boy is paying a hefty "trial penalty" for January 6.
does complicity taste as good as you thought?
Christian Britschgi is complicit in Enrique Tarrio’s sentencing? Please explain your claim in more detail. How so?
Do you really not understand what Dillinger means? Like, for real now, no joking around.
I don’t understand what he means at all. It sounds like you do, so please explain to me.
can you find the "These Were Not Riots & Everything Afterwards Is An Unconstitutional Sham" pieces from this site?
I'm sure you could provide a link or two, since only you know what you mean by "These Were Not Riots & Everything Afterwards Is An Unconstitutional Sham".
Super Scary, where did you go?
Probably to work. Since he's not around to further challenge your deliberate obtuseness I guess you can go take a victory lap.
>>Most other defendants ... received much more modest sentences of a few months to a few years.
the Broken Windows Theory I was taught doesn't end in jail sentences
As the Lewis Grizzard punch line says: “It’s a trick, General Sherman! There’s two of ’em!”
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There is “The Broken Window Fallacy” told of by Free Market Economist Henry Hazlitt, which claims that destruction creates net prosperity in the economy. Hazlitt refuted the Fallacy by saying that destruction and repair means time and resources diverted from everyone else and everything else.
Then there is the Criminological Broken Windows Theory which says that severely punishing small crimes such as single broken windows will deter and discourage larger crimes such as full-scale rioting. And, yes, the punishment for small crimes could mean jail time.
Two different phenomena, but somewhat overlapping. After all, severely punishing single broken windows will disabuse people of the illusion of The Broken Window Fallacy. And nowadays, there’s a lot of nut-cutting for broken windows that is long overdue.
clever summary. was thinking Criminological Broken Windows Theory but more along the lines of "see broken windows, know you can crime up the place" ... no jail sentences.
Oh, I see what you’re saying. So you’re thinking of what happens when you don’t punish Broken Windows. That makes sense.
This is also a very good reason to clean graffiti as fast as you see it because it is typically a marker of criminal gang territory. Luckily, citrus oil-based cleaner works super for most things.
The graffiti makers, however, usually need a pressure-driven Charcoal/Saltpeter/Sulfur pumice cleaner with a hollow-point plumb baub.
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"He did however post messages encouraging the riot on social media and claimed credit for helping carry it out after the fact.
That was enough to convince a jury three months ago to find him guilty of "seditious conspiracy" for his involvement."
What kind of journalism is this?
I thought I'd at least be able to read the social media posts that landed him 22 years in prison.
I've read countless comments on the internet encouraging BLM riots, kill whitey and the like. Never saw one that resulted in more prison time than liberals like to give murderers and rapists.
I thought I’d at least be able to read the social media posts that landed him 22 years in prison.
What is stopping you?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1480891/download
This indictment quote collection is straight outta the Mises Caucus rants lynching Nicholas Sarwark as a nazi frogman librul c%$/((/&!!
Now we know where they copy their ideology.
>>presidential platform in which he proposes giving billionaires naming rights over new aircraft carriers (for a price) and appointing Donald Trump as a constitutional monarch
kewl, but billionaires already have all the rights they want and we basically appoint a monarch now
Hefty? The minimum guidelines start at 27 years. He got off easier than he could have.
Fuck him and every other one of these traitors. And fuck all you apologists for these sacks of shit.
For my friends, everything. For my enemies' the law
Dura lex, sed lex.
No cabelo só Gumex!
Only a true patriot attacks the US Capitol to overthrow a legitimate Constitutional function!
Only a true pederast posts links to child pornography.
Let's just pretend... for a moment that was the intention of the small number of people in the mostly peaceful crowd engaged in a pro-democracy rally that day... let's just pretend it was.
From the Declaration of Independence:
All the pretending is on the part of people who deny that the rioters were trying to interfere a "legitimate Constitutional function".
You do realize that the folks who wrote the Declaration of Independence risked their lives by committing an act of treason against England, don't you? What is your argument here: that England should have excused them?
turd lies. turd always lies. tlies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
How many mao and castro posters do you own?
So, in descending order of likelihood to pardon Proud Boys if elected (maybe a big if), we have:
1. Trump
2. Ramaswamy
3. Everybody else
Right? No?
I could be persuaded to switch 1 and 2. IMO, 3 solidly contains mainstreamed party hacks too middle-of-the-road and career/party minded to even pardon Snowden, let alone any Proud Boys.
Pence no Haley no Christie "proud boys sounds like hoagies" would eat him
Not sure they all deserve pardons since they did riot. But commuting their sentences to be in line with the property damage and any violent actions they committed would be proper.
You've got to be kidding me.
People are all upset at what's happening to Trump, saying it's abusing the justice system for political purposes, and now we want to use the pardon power to let out stone criminals for the same exact reason?
Does anyone NOT see how that's just one of two tribes declaring that, so long as they're in power, they're above the law?
Logic isn't your strong suit, is it? And I don't even fucking like Trump, but pardoning is definitely the way to undo this blatantly unequal application of justice. Fuck, that's kind of one the big reasons they gave the president pardon powers in the fucking constitution.
No, the way to undo the blatantly unequal application of justice is to strip partisans out of positions of law enforcement/justice, and then throw all the BLM/Antifa/LGBTP folks down the same whole we're throwing J6/MAGA - for all the same reasons - and then leave them all there. They all deserve each other.
America and Americans, on the other hand, deserve better than these degenerate, destructive, anarchistic, criminal scumbags.
So the whole narrative that this riot was just spontaneous violence caused by a political speech was bullshit?
If you were a Democrat you can believe that it was a spontaneous riot inspired by Trump, and a meticulously planned riot at the same time.
Whatever fits the narrative that second.
For years prosecutors have used the trial penalty and overcharging to encourage guilty pleas to lesser offences - indeed, to make it rational to plead guilty even when one is innocent.
I find it hard to get particularly vexed in this case, where "fuck around and find out" is apt, even though the process is bad and the sentence excessive.
""For years prosecutors have used the trial penalty and overcharging to encourage guilty pleas to lesser offences – indeed, to make it rational to plead guilty even when one is innocent.""
The left only pretends to be interested in prosecutorial reform. They have no problem when the system is abused to go after people they don't like.
The left only pretends to be interested in prosecutorial reform
Find someone on the left to defend them.
"...I find it hard to get particularly vexed in this case, where “fuck around and find out” is apt, even though the process is bad and the sentence excessive..."
'Her skirt was too short; she deserved it!'
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Yes, we get it, you support political persecution of your enemies, shrike.
I'm not shrike. And you're lying about the rest as well. Now fuck off.
That’s just what shrike would say.
In Tarrio’s case, it seems the prosecutors offered deals to everyone else but Tarrio, and the offers to the others included incentives to turn on Tarrio.
But I agree that I have about the same level of sympathy for Tarrio that you do. Which is not to say I don't think his sentence is excessive.
I do think his sentence is excessive, but that's an intellectual position -- emotionally, fuck him.
Some vaxxers blame 1-6 on Tom Clancy, for having crashed an airliner into the capitol in a book.
Poor Shrike.
Some assume Public Imbecile might have a brain-cell.
They used to conduct these same “trials” with the colonists.
The Nazi’s are starting to round-up the Patriots.
I have a really bad feeling this type of rounding-up is only going to get worse.
For F'Sakes the guy wasn't even there.
Social Media calls for action is hardly instrumental to anything.
How much more blatant does a "rounding-up" have to be?
They're really hoping to cause violence so they can use it as an excuse.
I think they already made-up the excuse out of thin air.
Without any actual violence.
Just violence they made-up in their heads (i.e. delusions).
Apparently protesting for grievances in delusional-land about a questionable election's integrity (UN-undeniably-lawlessly executed with the COVID excuse) is an act of violence.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the ----->right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government<---- for a redress of grievances.
Ironically; The very petition of "the Government" ( Capitol ) they've painted as the worst part of the protest.
Ah, Tarrio--the face of white supremacy! /sarc
Poor Volksgenosse baybee. But there's hope. Goering found a way out when the librul Jyooz railroaded him with fake accusations...
As a reminder: Even Robert E. Lee—-an actual participant in the real Civil War—-got zero jail time. Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederate States of America, got just 2 years.
Decades in prison---It's what you get these days for desecration of a holy house of worship (i.e. blasphemy against the seat of government power)...and for association with a politically-disfavored group.
Utter B.S. Such "dangerous, terroristic" abilities to hypnotize, persuade and control...They made him out to be Rasputin, Charles Manson, David Koresh and Adolf Hitler, all rolled into one.
Tell us, how many legislators and attendees at the "official proceeding" inside the Capitol that day were persuaded, or about to be persuaded, by his mellifluous, intoxicating, cloying words, into overturning the results of the Election and stopping Biden from assuming power?
Answer: NONE.
Wow! Not one word of acknowledgment of the violent acts the MAGA January 6th rioters engaged in.
Why don't you list them for us. I need a refresher because I didn't really see any other "violence" take place other than a broken window which would qualify more as breaking and entering than "violence".