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Donald Trump

The Washington Post Says Democracy Demands Less Freedom of Speech

The paper worries that "social media companies are receding from their role as watchdogs against political misinformation."

Jacob Sullum | 8.25.2023 4:20 PM

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Donald Trump was back on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, last night for the first time since he got the boot in 2021 following the riot by his supporters at the U.S. Capitol. Trump posted the mug shot of him that was taken at Atlanta's jail this week when he was booked on the charges laid out in his Georgia indictment, which stem from his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results in that state. He included a caption that described the indictment as "ELECTION INTERFERENCE" and urged his followers to "NEVER SURRENDER!"

After taking over the platform that was then known as Twitter last year, Elon Musk, an avowed "free speech absolutist," reinstated Trump's account. But this is the first time that Trump, who started a competing platform that is still known as Truth Social, has made use of Musk's permission. The Washington Post, in a news story published this morning, portrays Musk's decision and the attitude underlying it as part of a worrisome trend that threatens "democracy" by allowing "political misinformation" to proliferate on social media. The piece nicely illustrates the confusion, obfuscation, and hypocrisy that characterize mainstream press coverage of that subject.

As is typical of this journalistic genre, Post reporters Naomi Nix and Sarah Ellison never address the question of what counts as "misinformation," a highly contested category. Nor do they grapple with the content moderation problem of how to deal with politicians who say things of public interest that are arguably or demonstrably untrue. And although they allude to a constitutional challenge provoked by the federal government's efforts to restrict speech on social media platforms, they never mention the First Amendment. That is a pretty striking omission by people whose profession relies on that amendment's protections and who claim to be worried about the health of our democracy.

Nix and Ellison warn that "social media companies are receding from their role as watchdogs against political misinformation, abandoning their most aggressive efforts to police online falsehoods in a trend expected to profoundly affect the 2024 presidential election." Under Musk's baneful influence, they complain, Facebook and YouTube have "backed away from policing misleading claims" and "are receding from their role as watchdogs against conspiracy theories."

The main conspiracy theory that Nix and Ellison have in mind, of course, is the one claiming that systematic fraud, including deliberately corrupted voting machines and massive numbers of phony ballots, deprived Trump of his rightful victory in the 2020 election. As they note, neither Trump nor his lawyers ever produced any credible evidence to support that theory. Yet Trump, who currently is by far the leading contender for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, still claims he actually won reelection, and the sincerity of that belief is a central issue in both the Georgia case and his federal prosecution for conspiring to make that fantasy a reality. As Nix and Ellison note, most Republican voters—63 percent, according to a CNN poll conducted in May—agree with Trump that Joe Biden "did not legitimately win enough votes to win the presidency."

As Nix and Ellison see it, none of those people should be allowed to express that view on social media. They also think it was clearly wrong for X to let Tucker Carlson post his recent interview with Trump, which was timed to coincide with the Republican presidential debate he skipped. "Trump capitalized on [Musk's] relaxed standards" in that interview, they complain, by reiterating his "false claims that the 2020 election was 'rigged' and that the Democrats had 'cheated' to elect Biden."

For me, that unilluminating, sycophantic interview, during which Carlson never asked a challenging question and let Trump ramble on about whatever random subjects flitted through his mind, was hard to watch. But as I write, it has racked up more than 256 million views, which suggests that more than a few people were interested in what Trump had to say. By comparison, Fox News says fewer than 13 million people watched its broadcast of the debate that Trump skipped.

X, in short, seems to be giving people what they want, which makes good business sense. One might also argue, as Carlson did, that "whatever you think of Trump…voters have an interest in hearing what he thinks," since he is the "indisputable, far-and-away front-runner in the Republican race."

Nix and Ellison do not see it that way. For the good of democracy, they think, social media platforms should be showing users political content only if it can be certified as accurate. That is, of course, an impossible challenge, one that is magnified by the difficulty of determining when speech, although not demonstrably false, nevertheless qualifies as "misinformation" because it is "misleading." Policing "hate speech," which Nix and Ellison also want the platforms to do, poses similar problems of interpretation and judgment.

The major platforms define their content moderation mission more narrowly than Nix and Ellison would like. "We remove content that misleads voters on how to vote or encourages interference in the democratic process," YouTube told the Post. "Additionally, we connect people to authoritative election news and information through recommendations and information panels." Meta, which owns Facebook, Instagram, and Threads, was vaguer. "Protecting the U.S. 2024 elections is one of our top priorities," it said, "and our integrity efforts continue to lead the industry."

No matter how they decide to flag or suppress content, the platforms will be pissing off a lot of people. There is "no winning," Katie Harbath, former director of public policy at Facebook, told the Post. "For Democrats, we weren't taking down enough, and for Republicans we were taking down too much." In light of those conflicting demands, Harbath said, Facebook decided "it's just not worth it anymore."

This situation becomes even more difficult and complicated when federal officials start demanding that social media companies do more to suppress speech those officials view as dangerous to democracy, public health, or national security. It also becomes constitutionally problematic—a point that Nix and Ellison do not even acknowledge. Instead they complain that "an aggressive legal battle over claims that the Biden administration pressured social media platforms to silence certain speech has blocked a key path to detecting election interference."

Those are not merely "claims." The Biden administration indisputably "pressured social media platforms," publicly and privately, "to silence certain speech." The legal question is whether that pressure amounted to government-directed censorship, in violation of the First Amendment. A federal judge concluded that it did.

Nix and Ellison probably disagree with that decision. But they do not even mention it, let alone explain why they think it was wrong. More generally, they seem completely untroubled by the free speech implications of not-so-subtly threatening social media companies with antitrust litigation, heavier regulation, and increased exposure to civil liability if they fail to follow the government's content moderation recommendations.

Nix and Ellison repeatedly raise the specter of foreign interference with U.S. elections. The "new approach" to content moderation, they say, "marks a sharp shift from the 2020 election, when social media companies expanded their efforts to police disinformation. The companies feared a repeat of 2016, when Russian trolls attempted to interfere in the U.S. presidential campaign, turning the platforms into tools of political manipulation and division."

Those sinister-sounding efforts were pretty pitiful, less than a drop in the bucket of the "misinformation" and "disinformation" that Americans themselves regularly produce. By invoking a foreign threat, Nix and Ellison distract readers from the central issue, which is whether democracy is better served by heavy-handed moderation that aims to shield social media users from false, misleading, and hateful speech or by the more free-wheeling approach that Musk prefers. They think the answer is obvious, which is why they present their advocacy as straight news reporting.

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  1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

    “Present their advocacy as straight news reporting.”

    We used to call this for what it is: propaganda

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      1. Gozer the Gozarian   2 years ago

        ^---- That post has more facts than the news produces all day.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

      It's pretty safe to say that Nix and Ellison are fucking hacks.

      1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

        Or we could criminalize the coercion of lying.

        Codifying in law what determines truth.

        Until we do exactly that, Orwells predictions become reality.

        WHO CONTROLS THE PAST
        CONTROLS THE FUTURE
        WHO CONTROLS THE PRESENT
        CONTROLS THE PAST”

        Orwell, 1984

        1. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

          Fucking idiot.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

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        2. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

          And who decides what is is truth mr holocaust denier?

        3. Rob Misek   2 years ago

          Lying waste of skin idiots can’t imagine that truth can be reliably discerned.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Fuck off you lying Nazi piece of shit. If you hadn't pulled your horseshit of demanding rebuttals and ignoring them or refusing to engage them when presented you might have had a point, but instead you lied about not getting them.
            Which is pretty gutsy for a retard who pretends he wants to criminalize lying.

            1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

              You’re lying again Kol Nidre boy.

              If you weren’t, you could easily prove your claim by posting a link to your alleged “proof” and specifically describing it.

              The last time I challenged you to do this you couldn’t fuckwit.

              THIS IS HOW ITS DONE. Hahaha.

              “Mother's Lament 1 day ago (edited)
              You’ve been refuted on your holocaust nonsense every single time you post it, but you always squeal “liar”, dismiss the refutation without any actual evidence on your part, and then act like you went unchallenged.

              Rob Misek 1 day ago
              If you weren’t simply a lying waste of skin you could prove your claim with a simple link to the discussion and describing specifically what was refuted.
              You only need to demonstrate even a single occurrence to prove your claim.
              Can you back up your claim or are you just a liar Kol Nidre boy?
              I know the answer and so does everyone else.

              Mother's Lament 1 day ago
              “A simple link”
              It happens over and over and over again every time you post your halfwit claims. And not just by me, but fifteen to twenty other people, as I’m pretty sure everyone here will attest.
              And although I haven’t kept links of every time your Nazi ass has been handed to you in the past, I’m certainly going to start now. Look forward to it.

              Rob Misek 23 hours ago (edited)
              Hahaha
              You’re a lying waste of skin Kol Nidre boy.
              I post here frequently. There are many opportunities to prove your claim.
              Every time I rub your faces in the fact that you can’t refute anything I say and the fuckwit response is always the same. Uh, next time….you just wait.
              None of the fuckwit Reason “brain trust” can ever provide ANY evidence of refuting anything I say but have keen “memory” of doing so.
              Lying wastes of skin, all of you.

              https://reason.com/2023/08/10/can-we-trust-a-i-to-tell-the-truth/?comments=true#comments

              1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

                Meds not working anymore?

          2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

            You’re incapable of discerning the truth. You rave about the Holocaust (proven fact) being a hoax. But do t worry, I here your fellow Nazis have their own club within state penitentiaries.

      2. Benitacanova   2 years ago

        Regularly? Together?

    3. CindyF   2 years ago

      How is the government going to prove that President Trump's statement that he lost the 2020 election due to fraud is not true? They are alleging he knew he lost and was therefore making false statements. How are they to prove he KNEW he lost? Also, politicians lie and exaggerate every day (See Biden, Joe; Also, Obama, Barack, and Bush, George et al), how is Trump's perceived lies worse than those of other politicians?

      Does WaPo writers and editors get to be the final arbitrators of truth?

      1. retiredfire   2 years ago

        Before the government can claim that Donald Trump knew he had lost the election, they will have to prove that he did lose.
        They haven't done that to the satisfaction of millions of Americans.
        The fact that there has been universal refusal to provide the proof requested, is evidence that he didn't lose.

        1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

          Correct.

          Negatives are proven with positives and correctly applied logic and science.

          1. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

            The level of how completely stupid you are is astronomical at this point.

      2. MD from Idaho   2 years ago

        The general disrespect for THOUSANDS OF YEARS of philosophical inquiry in your post is truly astounding.

        You do know epistemology is a thing, right? The 60-some court cases in which Trump lost wherein he asserted fraud, procedural deficiencies, etc are enough to convince any reasonable person. That Trump is on record as having admitted such effectively nail that coffin closed.

        To answer your question - the problem with Trump's lies is that they were at direct odds with reality. So much of our system functions on a presumption of good faith and when the likes of Trump and Kari Lake don't respect themselves enough to engage the issues in good faith, we have to resort to other routes. Some of these routes are controversial because they're untested and they're untested because formerly, people mostly acted like adults.

        1. Bill Anderson   2 years ago

          Are you sure epistemology is a thing? Are you sure you can even know it is a thing?

          Yup. Epistemological dad joke for those who don’t know.

          That kinda was, too. ????

  2. Minadin   2 years ago

    "are receding from their role as watchdogs against conspiracy theories."

    What role? That isn't their purpose.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Kinda the opposite. Rather literally a place for conspiracy theorists to share media and interact socially.

    2. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

      Also, the media spent years pushing conspiracy theories like Iraq WMDs, Russiagate, the flu is worse than covid, and covid came from a wet market just to name a few.

      1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        Those conspiracies represent Goodthink. Trump's conspiracy theory is Badthink. Bad think must be eliminated.

      2. JohnZ   2 years ago

        But,but, it's not conspiracy theories when the media does it. After all, they wouldn't lie to us....would they?
        Oh wait ....what's this........

    3. CE   2 years ago

      Their role should have been to investigate, and find out which conspiracy theories were right.

    4. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

      “Political Misinformation”

      Let that sink in

  3. Minadin   2 years ago

    "For Democrats, we weren't taking down enough, and for Republicans we were taking down too much."

    One of these things is not like the other.

    1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      Fearing you are taking down too much is proper for a culture of free speech. Fearing not enough is being suppressed is representative of an authoritarian culture.

  4. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

    the social media platform formerly known as Twitter

    Jeebus, I think we found the left-wing bitter clingers' Holy Bible.

  5. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

    THE WASHINGTON POST
    Democracy Dies in Darkness
    Integrity Dies in Newsprint

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      "Democracy Dies in Darkness" - unless said darkness is carefully crafted by the approved gate-keepers of society, then darkness is good and necessary to keep the people from knowing dangerous things or doing wrongthink

      - WaPo

    2. BigT   2 years ago

      WaPo: “Democracy Dies in Darkness and We turn out the lights!”

  6. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    "his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results"

    One of the reasons some claim we need to restrict free speech is the subtle and sometimes blatant spin that writers in the press put on events. Overturning an election can only happen violently. However, legal challenges and pressuring officials to reconsider are not and should not be illegal and should not be referred to as "overturning" an election because it assumes facts not presently in evidence. I'm no fan of Trump but when even Reason writers spin their articles my hopes for the future are dimmed.

    1. Freethinksman   2 years ago (edited)

      “However, legal challenges and pressuring officials to reconsider are not and should not be illegal and should not be referred to as “overturning” an election because it assumes facts not presently in evidence.”

      That goes without saying. Even in his indictment, Smith went out of his way to point out that lying about winning the election is protected speech. Legal challenges, even disingenuous ones are legal up to a point (obviously lying under oath is perjury). Coordinating slates of fake electors is not protected speech. It is fraud.

      The real conundrum, and it is a conundrum, with free speech is that it is necessary in a democracy for people to have their own opinions, even if factually incorrect. There is no law that mandates politicians be of good character. Lying out of ignorance is treated the same as lying with malice up to the point that the speech is in an effort to break the law. Most professional organizations police themselves in an effort to maintain the faith in the organization by the public. Doctors who dispense knowingly false information- even if it is Constitutionally protected speech- can lose their medical license if a board chosen by other doctors believes the information will lead to more harm than good. People like TVRudy lose their ability to practice law when they push bogus theories, especially when they know their theories are preposterous.

      The Framers of the Constitution fretted over the possibility that a demagogue could use the legal system and the rights afforded them under the Constitution in a sort of legal Ju-Jitsu-esque. The weight and power of the laws and rights are used against themselves to further the demagogue’s own interests. And here we are.

      A government chosen by the people can *only* function when good faith arguments over real policies and tactics inform and convince voters to support or oppose a cause. When bad faith arguments are used to further the private goals of a populist demagogue, it is incumbent on the voters to recognize the bullshit and to use their votes to throw the ideas (and the bums) out.

      But America is a victim of its own success. Without real existential crises that force thoughtful decision making, American peace and prosperity has been hijacked by people who want to mobilize latent outrage and victimhood for their own money and power. The Constitution can not prevent that. Only voters can. And America has been rich and peaceful enough to let dim witted people act on invented grievances as though they were real. Nothing is so pressing and real that it demands genuine consideration and action. They have time enough to sit in front of the TV and absorb bullshit that separates Americans from their commonalities and replaces boring-assed policy decisions with electrifying invented bullshit like “Communism!” “Grooming!” “Abortion even after live birth!” and “Weaponization of the Justice System!”

      The political left is by no means free of manufactured grievance bullshit like “genderfluid” pronouns, preteen sex changes, and the idea of current racism being so powerful that brown people deserve reparations for the sins of white peoples’ great-great-great grandparents. But as ubiquitous as Sean Hannity would have his dull audience believe those things are, they are in fact pretty damn rare and wouldn't affect the vast, vast majority of his goober audience anyway.

      The fundamental difference though, and what keeps the right and left from being equally crazy, is that the while one is hyperbolic, the other is purely invented nonsense that actively threatens the rule of law. 6 of the 8 Republicans in the futile “debate” the other night raised their hands (to fucking applause!) to the question of whether they would support a *CONVICTED FELON* for President! And even though it was nothing but a cynical ploy to pander to the ill-informed and misinformed Republican base (obviously *none* of them actually believe it would be the right thing to do), they stood there and told the country that they had more faith in Donald Trump than they do in the U.S. justice system… all for nothing but power.

      The Constitution is a magnificent and brilliant document. But as the framers suspected, it cannot weather a simple and lazy electorate, swayed by demagoguery and petty cynicism. Not even the U.S. Constitution can stand up to that kind of assault. When 3/4 of the debaters stood up and said they would not follow their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution, and people cheered for it, it’s time to sweep the floor and shut off the lights. Greed and willful ignorance have won.

      1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

        they stood there and told the country that they had more faith in Donald Trump than they do in the U.S. justice system… all for nothing but power.

        the Druham Report gave them a very good reason.

        1. CE   2 years ago

          Unfortunately, the Justice Department and the FBI are part of the justice system you speak of.

          1. JohnZ   2 years ago

            Refer to it as the Injustice Department.
            As for the FBI........

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        Fuck off and die nothinksman, TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.

      3. DesigNate   2 years ago

        “Coordinating slates of fake electors is not protected speech. It is fraud.”

        JFK would have a sad, if his head hadn’t been blown open by agents of the deep state.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          They were required to have them in case a court hearing went their way.

      4. MWAocdoc   2 years ago (edited)

        “Coordinating slates of fake electors is not protected speech.”

        I take exception to this point. They’re not “fake” electors but “alternate” electors. In order to challenge a state election certification you have to have standing to bring suit in court, and you would not have standing to bring suit in court without contending that YOUR electors should be certified instead of the electors who were wrongfully certified by the state. So you are legally wrong to call them “fake” and it's not fraud in any sense of the word.

        1. Bill Anderson   2 years ago

          Exactly. Alternate elector skates has been thing for a couple of centuries now. That race is still in my view the nastiest battle for the office. (Spoiler: Hayes wins). That race even had a failed gubernatorial candidate building the Democrat elector slate in one of the states. Georgia, IIRC but I may be misremembering.

      5. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

        Smith went out of his way to point out that lying about winning the election is protected speech.

        He kind of has to, what with all that footage of Democrats denying that Bush beat Gore and that Trump beat Hillary.

        -jcr

    2. CE   2 years ago

      Yup. It's "Violent insurrectionists seize Capitol in deadly raid" vs. "Election integrity protestors occupy Capitol, 4 protestors die."

      1. BigT   2 years ago

        At least Sullum wrote:

        the riot by his supporters at the U.S. Capitol.

        rather than his usual spin

  7. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    "In order to protect freedom, we're going to have to restrict some of your freedoms."

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      The mask has slipped enough at this point, and they are happy to come out as the commies we always knew they were

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

        Does that mean it's time enough to let the mask slip and slaughter them like the worthless pigshit gargling commies that they are?

        1. BigT   2 years ago

          Be my guest.

    2. CE   2 years ago

      Always copying Loki and Thanos.

  8. Super Scary   2 years ago

    "X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter,"

    We knoooooooow! Christ.

    1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      It’s finally true! Twitter is dead! It finally imploded!

      Where the mastodon links at?

      1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

        I sure hope that was a reference to https://youtu.be/jGQ-ISsDm8M

    2. CindyF   2 years ago

      They are channeling their inner Prince (or King in this instance).

  9. Jerryskids   2 years ago

    What I say three times is true.

    1. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

      But you haven't said, "What I say three times is true" three times, so maybe it's not true?

  10. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    "social media companies are receding from their role as watchdogs against political misinformation," say writers for the legacy newspapers as they recede from their role as watchdogs against political misinformation!

  11. Marshal   2 years ago

    It’s revealing they accidentally admitted their concern is political. The Kingsley Gaffe became famous with journalists describing politicians. But as we see there’s nothing pure about journalists, they are political actors subject to all the same failings.

  12. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Journalism dies in sunlight.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      lol.... Had to think about that for 1/2-sec but it's rather brilliant.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Corporate journalism dies in sunlight.

      There's still a noble few, banished to places like Substack, Rumble and Twitter where they can keep the old flames alive.
      Koch owned Reason is not one of those places.

      1. JohnZ   2 years ago

        It's corporate journalism with a heavy dose of the See Eye Ay.

  13. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

    Predictably. Democrats only care about democracy when it’s in favor of building (hut, hum; infrastructure) their UN-Constitutional [Na]tional So[zi]alist empire.

    If democracy starts to actually be constitutional they all the sudden start writing UN-Constitutional executive orders to grow their Nazi-Empire.

    It’s a religion for them to conquer the USA and grow a Nazi-Empire. They don’t try to hide this at all; so not sure why anyone would be surprised.

    Democracy is that one excuse they propagandized as a tool to void the US Constitution. Now that they've succeeded in that it's off to dictation. Exactly how Hitler came to power. Same ideology same process to get there just a different named Hitler in charge.

    The USA is not and never was a "democracy" Democrats. It has always been a Constitutional Union of Republican States. Whatever we have today is not the definition of the USA.

    1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      Have you read the comments section on the Washington Post article?

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/25/political-conspiracies-facebook-youtube-elon-musk/

      1. CindyF   2 years ago

        I have now and wish I haven't. Do these people even realize the existence for which they are advocating? One in which a central planning and information department decides what can and cannot be said?

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          Cindy - I don't think that they think that far ahead.

          1. JohnZ   2 years ago

            Oh, yes they are. Incrementalism. The death of the First amendment by a thousand cuts.

      2. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

        My account with Washington Post for comment was one of the fastest ones to be blocked for using curse words like ‘US Constitution’ only surpassed by Quora’s speed of censorship; within a few weeks every account was blocked and the only place left was Reason.

        Anyone who doubts the left censors 99% or better of all the press should give it a try – post about the US Constitution and see how fast your account gets blocked. They’re all just massive echo chambers of the Nazi-ideology.

        1. JohnZ   2 years ago

          Not Nazi ideology , it's Stalinist/Marxist ideology.

    2. Freethinksman   2 years ago

      There is nothing mutually exclusive between a Constitutional Republic and a Representative democracy. They are two different descriptors of out government. And laziness and willful ignorance are to blame for peoples' inability to realize it. We are a dumb country, in aggregate, who believe the lie of American Exceptionalism and think that America became the powerhouse it is without compromise. It's so sad to see stupidity take such a hold. America was ours to keep... if we could. Screaming about trannies and groomers proved to be too delicious for the hick electorate to worry about actually governing though.

      1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

        How does scream,ing about tannies compare to screaming about muh Russians®™?

      2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        There is a MASSIVE difference between a "Constitutional Republic and a Representative democracy"

        One has a "the people's" LAW (principle) ***over*** their government and the other is just [WE] majority-mob RULES those 'icky' minorities.

        Without it the gov-guns do whatever they want. Which is exactly what they are doing. Pretending nothing is above their own power.

        What a dumb thing to say.

        1. JFree   2 years ago

          You don't even know what democracy OR a republic is.

          1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

            I doubt any of us will take advice from you in that subject. Nor should we.

          2. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

            The very problem with Democrats and their championing “democracy” is that they really don’t care which one is used (representative/republic or direct) to conquer the USA and define it as being socialist-supporting and by doing so pretends the Supreme Law (US Constitution) – the very definition of the USA just doesn’t exist.

            As if your comment didn't DO just that.

            It’s just like trying to play checkers without any game rules so Democrats think they can just write the rules as they go along.

            Sorry; Only treasonous traitors think they can redefine the USA and make their own [WE] mob RULES for it UN-Constitutionally and there are far too many treasonous traitors in this nation.

      3. Sevo   2 years ago

        Why is it that steaming piles of lefty shit assume such handles as 'freethinksman", "sarcasmic" "radical individualist" when the lot of them should be honest and simply point out they are the reincarnation of Wlter Duranty?
        'Nothinksman'? Please eat shit and die; make your family proud.

      4. GroundTruth   2 years ago

        lie of American Exceptionalism

        Huh?

        That doesn't even pass the laugh test.

        Without getting into substantive philosophical exceptionalism (which we have, in quantity), there is an even simpler witness to our exceptionalism: looks at the number of people trying to immigrate here legally. Name me one other major country that has such a high ratio of immigrant wannabes to current population?

        None. They all want to come here, not Canada, not Germany, not the UK, not Australia, they want to come to the USA.

        1. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

          I doubt that anyone here would deny that America is exceptional. What many of us deny is that, because of our unique history and tradition of individual rights and liberty, "it is both destined and entitled to play a distinct and positive role on the world stage." A long string of abuses of power both at home and around the world has pretty much blown through that tired old excuse.

    3. CE   2 years ago

      And heaven forbid if the populace wants to vote a right wing populist into power, that's considered a grave threat to democracy.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Or a run of the mill liberal populist.

      2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        Humorously the very root reason there is such a division between parties and society in general is the lack of honoring our US Constitution of which never defined our government to be so totalitarian and tyrannical for either 'party'.

        Elections wouldn't be so important if both parties could operate within the confines of "the peoples" law over them. It was the most awesome system of government the world had ever seen until the Power-mad ruined it by ignoring it.

  14. Big Ed's Landing   2 years ago

    We need all the freedom of speech we can get, but we already have far too much promotion of falsehoods going on. Freedom of falsehoods is dangerous, particularly when the liars are using technology to spread sophisticated fakes and distortions to wide audiences at near instantaneous speed. Free speech is primarily about prior restraint, and comes with consequences attached when you engage in libel or inciting criminal riots with blatant falsehoods.

    1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      Yeah.

      Some people say that deniying the existence of our Lord God HaShem is a falsehood.

    2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      The root of your 'far too much promotion of flasehoods'

      Those are not merely "claims." The Biden administration indisputably "pressured social media platforms," publicly and privately, "to silence certain speech." The legal question is whether that pressure amounted to government-directed censorship, in violation of the First Amendment. A federal judge concluded that it did.

    3. CE   2 years ago

      It depends on who's deciding what's false.

    4. JohnZ   2 years ago

      So then, the government should be gagged. Most of the false hoods are spread by the government.
      All government lie and all governments steal.

    5. MWAocdoc   2 years ago (edited)

      So let me see if I have your position clear: freedom is too dangerous for most people because they’re too stupid to tell truth from falsehoods so you want to limit their freedom by keeping them from hearing falsehoods as designated by censors appointed by someone they choose democratically during an election?

  15. MD from Idaho   2 years ago

    Part of free speech is the ability to say "That's bullshit". Social media companies deciding not to run certain stories because they believe they're bullshit is itself an exercise of free speech.

    Color me not surprised that this point would escape the philosophically incoherent libertarians here at Reason.

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

      Everyone is libertarian when it comes to things they like.

    2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      It wasn't the Social Media companies.
      It was the Biden Administration.

    3. CE   2 years ago

      Social media companies and news sites are free to decide what stories they want to promote. But they shouldn't be free to block their customers from linking to reputable new sites simply because the story linked to doesn't fit the narrative. At least, they shouldn't be free from criticism for doing so.

      1. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

        No, they are NOT free to decide what stories to promote or suppress if government officials threaten them indirectly or directly to suppress some stories and promote others based on government policy. They SHOULD be free to decide those things, and that's what the discussion is about on this thread.

    4. DesigNate   2 years ago

      Imagine being such a dumb piece of shit that you still think the social media companies did it without any coercion from the FBI or CIA.

      Imagine being even dumber than that to think that criticizing a corporation for doing shit that violates the spirit of free speech (taking down some posts because they say something that goes against the government narrative but leaving other posts up that are demonstrably untrue but prop up the entrenched power).

      Then you’d have your post.

    5. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

      I take it MD stand for marxist dipshit. We've had the SM companies banning true speech because it disrupt your little fantasy so excuse me if I choose not to accept the word and direction of known liars.

    6. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      They are free to say "that's bullshit" to anything they like. They should be free to choose what they allow or don't allow on their sites, as long as they accept liability for the content they carry. They should NOT be free to censor political speech they don't like on their sites AND be harmless from liability for the content they allow. That was the deal—immunity from liability IN EXCHANGE FOR allowing freedom of legal speech. You can be a publisher OR a common carrier. Pick one.

    7. GroundTruth   2 years ago

      Maybe the debate should be reframed with the fact in mind that Youtube, X, etc. are all someone's property, and not really the town square. But the Feds or states do not have the authority to determine what they allow to be said (or not said), any more than they can tell a newspaper what to print or not print.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Yeah, and your phone company is someone's property, yet they're not allowed to decide that only Democrats or Christians or heterosexuals may use their service. Of course internet service companies have the right to freedom of expression, but the speech of their users is not THEIR speech. The government can't tell a newspaper what to print or not to print, but the newspaper is legally liable for the content of what they print. Social media providers have been granted immunity from liability for the content of users' content. In exchange for that privilege, they owe us freedom from discrimination based on viewpoint. You can be a publisher OR a common carrier. Pick one.

  16. Sevo   2 years ago

    "...following the riot by his supporters at the U.S. Capitol..."

    That's spelled "protest", you TDS-addled lying pile of shit.

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

      A guy put his feet on the speakers desk!
      It was basically the holocaust.

      1. Happy Miser   2 years ago

        Lol. It's spelled "Treason". You'd get it if you were pro America.

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   2 years ago

          Eat a bullet.

          Now or later, your choice.

        2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          If that counts as treason, then the Democrats are really fucked.

          The Trump inauguration riots, the attack on the White House, the attack on the Senate, calls for faithless electors, the Steele files and the Trump/Russia hoax, the laptop letter, spying on the candidates, House Democrats refusing to certifying the 2017 election results in 9 states, Pelosi asking the Pentagon to overthrow Trump, ordering the DOJ interfere in a state ordered audit, ad nauseam...

          1. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)

            Wrong place.

          2. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

            Don't forget refusing to follow the orders of the commander in chief and promising to inform a foreign nation about any military actions against them.

        3. Sevo   2 years ago

          “…It’s spelled “Treason”. You’d get it if you were pro America.”

          It’s spelled “protest”, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.

    2. BigT   2 years ago

      Riot is the correct word. Many people attacked police and damaged windows and doors.

      Don’t play the same spin game as the Donkeys.

      1. retiredfire   2 years ago

        As long as you admit that what happened in the "Summer of Love" in 2020, as also riots, and far more destructive and deadly.
        The difference in the treatment of those rioters, and the ones on Jan6, is a national disgrace.

        1. Rufus The Monocled   2 years ago

          That wasn't an insurrection or seditious.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        Got some cites for your bullshit claims, TDS-addled pile of shit?

      3. Social Justice is neither   2 years ago

        Fuck off with that, if the actions over the summer were a "peaceful protest" then this wasn't a fucking riot.

    3. Minadin   2 years ago

      Hey, at least he didn't say 'insurrection'!

  17. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

    There is a great deal of political misinformation. Michael Tracey reported on it.

    https://mtracey.medium.com/the-most-predictable-election-fraud-backlash-ever-4187ba31d430

    Of course what happened subsequently was that even years after Trump had safely taken power, the corporate media’s top luminaries continuously used the phrase “hacked the election” to describe the purported actions of Russia on behalf of Trump in 2016. Supermajorities of Democratic voters came to believe not just that Russia “interfered” in the election, but directly installed Trump into power by tampering with voting machines. Now, though, journalists who fostered these blinkered beliefs will feign incredulity that their conduct could have contributed to widespread “doubt” as to the “legitimacy” of that election. And they’ll be aghast at any suggestion that this was inevitably going to generate yet another crazed anti-legitimization initiative in 2020.

    1. CindyF   2 years ago

      Correction needed: President Trump didn't "take" power. He was elected to the office of the U.S. Presidency by the voters of our nation.

  18. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

    And in related news, Biden's DOJ is suing SpaceX, which I'm sure is totes not retaliation for Elon exposing the Biden administration in the Twitter files.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Suing him for not violating ITAR and SAP by hiring refugees and illegals.
      And I bet if he had violated ITAR and SAP they would have had him arrested.

      Merrick Garland needs to be impeached ASAP.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Merrick Garland needs to redacted redacted with a redacted redacted redacted until redacted redacted redacted redacted redacted across the redacted.

        (Oh, and this post was obviously sarcasm you brain dead NSA motherfuckers.)

      2. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

        A textbook catch 22. Mitch McConnell (for all his many, many, many faults) did the country a huge service by keeping that shithead off the Supreme Court.

      3. JohnZ   2 years ago

        It would be a tragic accident if he were to fall out of a thirty story window somehow....accidentally pushed.
        Not saying someone should actually do this but who knows.

    2. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

      Totally not related at all. Just Biden's DOJ being the most honest and fair DOJ evah!

  19. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

    Anyone remember the good old days when it was the religious right that demanded censorship of we sites to stop the spread of atheism?

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

      I do remember the halcyon days of the 90’s when the Moral Majority frowning on porn and Explicit Lyrics warning labels were a libertarian’s biggest concerns.

    2. NOYB2   2 years ago (edited)

      No, I don’t. In what mythical country did that happen?

  20. Nobartium   2 years ago

    The media misses the days of three channel tv. Fox broke them.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      The government would prefer one channel TV.

  21. Happy Miser   2 years ago

    Trump is a stupid cunt. Can't wait till he dies in jail.

    1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      The true Cunt®™ is legally known as Hillary Rodham Clinton.

      https://ethicsalarms.com/2023/05/17/assorted-ethics-observations-on-the-durham-report-part-ii-the-substance/

      …one of the biggest takeaways is what a destructive, vicious, damaging person Hillary Clinton is to our political process. This Russia collusion thing didn’t only damage Trump. He won the 2016 election anyway, despite this, think how big a victory he might have had without it. But it really froze and paralyzed the country politically for over four years. The damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign did was so tremendous to this nation. I think that to some extent, while it’s being highlighted by a lot of the news coverage, they’re not really doing it personal to Hillary and it to be, she really is possibly the most destructive politician we’ve certainly had in this century, in recent memory. The manipulation that she perpetrated here is so horrible, not for what it did to Donald Trump, that’s bad enough, but what it did to our nation. We’re at each other’s throats because of what Hillary Clinton did. And she needs to be roundly condemned, and she’s not getting a fraction of the criticism that she deserves ….So I think the damage that’s been done is long lasting it tears at the fabric of our society. And it was caused by Hillary Clinton, the federal government and the mainstream corporate media all acting in unison….

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Poor Buttplug. He was so excited about jailing the Democrats political opponents and the mugshot was going to be the cherry on top.

      He could almost see it, a dejected and pathetic Trump, looking frightened.

      Instead it was all ruined.

    3. I Callahan   2 years ago

      You really are a pathetic troll, aren’t you?

    4. Sevo   2 years ago

      "Trump is a stupid cunt. Can’t wait till he dies in jail."
      Happy Miser is a steaming pile of imbecilic TDS addled pile of shit.
      Make your family proud, shit pile: Fuck off and die.

    5. JohnZ   2 years ago

      Anybody who has parlayed twenty million into a massive businesses including hotels and golf courses is by no means stupid.
      Compare that to Joe Biden who stupidly accepted bribes. Oh, and he has never achieved anything in his entire sordid, vacuous life.

  22. CE   2 years ago

    Their masthead has long said "Democracy dies in darkness."
    Now they've added a second line, "We're working on it."

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      That's GOOD!

  23. Sewblon   2 years ago

    Russia does interfere in the elections of other countries. But, like Vlad Vexler says, when they do it, they are not thinking "we are going to interfere in the election. So that your guy will win. So that our guy will give us what we want." The Russians are thinking "We are going to interfere with the election. So then the good guys will over-react to our interference. So the good guys will give us what we want, without realizing it." So by taking it for granted that the government should censor social media to restrict disinformation, the people at the post are playing into the Kremlin's hands. Now I know what some of you are thinking: "But Russia's guy actually did win in 2016." To you people, I say: That was because a Democrat was getting term-limited out of office. The Republicans could have nominated whoever they wanted, and they would still have had a pretty good shot at winning the election. They nominated Donald Trump, who for all of his faults, is actually very good at electioneering. Unlike his main competitor for GOP presidential nominee, Ron DeSantis, Trump actually likes talking to people, which helps with winning elections.

    1. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

      So knowing that the left makes a habit of blaming Republicans for exactly what they themselves are doing; I went to look for Lindels IP address logs showing foreign IP address connections to voting machines for Russian IP Addresses.

      Guess what? It has been erased from existence.
      At least from where I had seen it before.
      “1 unavailable video is hidden” WTF does that mean? The name of the video is there; but where’s the video?

      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwT-TZPc5_Q2SlGvNHsYrQyEXPOq8_Rxc

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        We know it’s projection because they’ve already been shown to have worked with some Russians to create the fake dossier.

    2. NOYB2   2 years ago

      Russia does interfere in the elections of other countries.

      Nowhere near as much as the US interferes in the elections of other countries.

      And nowhere near as much as Germany interferes in US elections.

    3. Sevo   2 years ago

      "Russia does interfere in the elections of other countries. But, like Vlad Vexler says, when they do it, they are not thinking “we are going to interfere in the election. So that your guy will win. So that our guy will give us what we want.” The Russians are thinking “We are going to interfere with the election. So then the good guys will over-react to our interference..."

      So much 4D chess bullshit claims and I'm sure you have cites to bullshit sources to support your bullshit claims, right, bullshitter?
      Put up or STFU.

      1. BigT   2 years ago

        You think the Russians are NOT trying to sew discord?

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          "You think the Russians are NOT trying to sew discord?"

          With those two GIFs? My goodness, you are a gullible piece of shit,
          aren't you?

      2. damikesc   2 years ago

        It's even odder given that Trump did precious little Russia wanted done. Increased domestic energy production which hurt them and all.

        1. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

          And opposing a Russian pipeline that Biden would later give the go ahead for. Before later having it bombed.

  24. NOYB2   2 years ago

    WaPo: "Democracy dies in darkness, and we're making sure it does!"

  25. wsperko@bellsouth.net   2 years ago

    Government intrusion into the operations of web services operating under Section 230 is a real problem. Let us shine a light on it. How about a simple law that requires any and all conversations or emails from any government employee to any employee working for a company that operates under Section 230 company to be posted on a public website for all to see. Let the public see what is going on. . .

  26. Miss Ann Thrope   2 years ago

    WAPO "Where democracy dies in darkness," as Ron Paul says.

  27. Liberty Lover   2 years ago (edited)

    WaPo, we are right, you are wrong, end of discussion, if you continue we will lock you up and throw away the key. That is our kind of democracy! Even though we have been wrong about everything the last thee years!

  28. Brett Bellmore   2 years ago

    It's not that complicated. They haven't reached the point of saying it openly, (It's coming, though!) but all they mean by "democracy" is "rule by Democrats".

    It's as simple as that, really. Most media outlets today are run exclusively by Democrats, with a sprinkling of outright communists, and they don't really believe it's legitimate for anybody but Democrats to be in a position of power.

  29. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    "The Washington Post Says Democracy Demands Less Freedom of Speech"

    And you're surprised at this? Where have you guys been?

    "Democracy Dies In Darkness" is a goal, not a warning.

  30. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

    And the NYT says elections are bad for democracy.

    https://inytimes.pressreader.com/article/281702619262209

  31. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

    And The Atlantic thinks Americans vote too much (and it's too hard).

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/american-election-frequency-voter-turnout/675054/

  32. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

    The sheer bootlicking cuntitude of the legacy press is even more nauseating today than when they were all felching the teleprompter in chief.

    -jcr

  33. JasonT20   2 years ago

    But as I write, it has racked up more than 256 million views, which suggests that more than a few people were interested in what Trump had to say.

    Views is very misleading figure. It is counting how many times people click on the tweet, it shows up in people's timelines after being retweeted, and so on. The number of times the video played is far lower than that. Older versions of the Twitter app, pre-Musk, showed the number of video views as well, but even then it would count autoplays and times people started to scroll past but it was still visible on their screens. And 2 seconds of the video playing is enough to register a 'view'. Some devices can still use those older versions of the app, and according to reporting based on that, the Trump interview got ~15 million views. Meanwhile, the Nielson rating of the debate was a little over 12 million, but that is an average number of people watching during any given minute of the debate. Those two figures are not really comparable.

    I don't agree with dealing with misinformation by systematically shutting it or people out of public discourse. All of the reasons why that is wrong and a bad idea put forth here and elsewhere are correct. The way to deal with false and misleading information is to correct it with truth and full context. But that takes work a lot of people aren't doing. The consumers of information need to be skeptical and apply critical thinking even toward sources of information they trust and/or agree with. Journalists and even talk show figures like Carlson need to take responsibility for ensuring that information they put out is true.

    The more that media outlets let false garbage exist on their networks or platforms without being challenged, the more that people give their attention to such garbage (and thus provide ad revenue to those outlets), and thus the more lies get rewarded, the harder it becomes for people to agree on basic facts. And that is never good for society.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      Here's the lefty pile of shit defending cold-blooded murder as a preventative measure:
      JasonT20
      February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
      “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”

    2. JasonT20   2 years ago

      My day is never complete until my stalker.Sevo pastes in the same reply he’s been making to every one of posts for over a year.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)

        Steaming pile of lefty shit seems upset that someone has noticed what an asshole he is.
        You posted it, own it. Stuff it up your ass and die, fuck-face.
        BTW, you'll get it every time I see a post by you as long as you post here. Shit-piles like you need to be reminders.

  34. Mike d   2 years ago

    If spreading lies was a crime, both Trump and Biden (and most of Congress) would have long been in jail.

    The only difference between Trump and everyone else is that he filed a bunch of frivolous lawsuits in the hopes of overturning an election --- which -- wait for it -- is already against the law (sort of).

    Filing frivolous lawsuits can (and should) result in heavy fines, something we aren't aggressive enough about but that's a different issue. If we want to go after Trump, sure, go after him FOR THAT. But if Trump wants to, as a private citizen, whine about the election; he should be free to do so.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)

      The only difference between you and a sane person is your raging case of TDS. Fuck off and die, shitpile.

      1. Mike d   2 years ago

        I have TDS?

        Even though I literally said that the criminal charges against Trump are pretty much bs (save for the frivolous lawsuit fines). Either you haven't read my comment; or you seriously need to chill out and touch (or smoke) some grass.

        1. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago (edited)

          If you aren’t 100% loyal to Trump, meaning no critique whatsoever, Sevo will call you a TDS addled piece of shit.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            "If you aren’t 100% loyal to Trump, meaning no critique whatsoever, Sevo will call you a TDS addled piece of shit."

            This from a TDS-addled shit pile who admits that Trump was the best POTUS in the last century but still whines about mean tweets.
            Stuff your TDS up your ass, and die, shit pile.

    2. DesigNate   2 years ago

      Filing & winning lawsuits wouldn’t “overturn” an election though…

  35. Sevo   2 years ago

    "The paper worries that "social media companies are receding from their role as watchdogs against political misinformation.""

    We certainly can't rely on the legacy media for that.

  36. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

    "The Washington Post Says Democracy Demands Less Freedom of Speech"

    Translation: 10 out of 10 Totalitarians say freedom of speech is dangerous.

  37. Truthteller1   2 years ago

    The WP is an activist organization staffed by woke millennial toddlers. They don't even pretend to be otherwise. It has fallen even further than the NYT.

  38. jimc5499   2 years ago (edited)

    Tom Clancy had it right in his book Executive Order. One of the characters asks the Political reporter for the New York Times “Who decides what’s Presidential?” The Reporter replies “In New York, I do.” The Washington Post is whining because they no longer get to decide what is news. The NYT is the same way. These days it’s too easy to get differing opinions out into the open. The WP and the NYT see that as a threat to their power. They want anything that they don’t agree with labeled as “disinformation”. Here at Reason, they just bury their heads in the sand and ignore it.

  39. Rufus The Monocled   2 years ago

    258 million views for that interview.

    Yeh. Sure. Biden got 81 million votes. Sure.

    /rolls eyes.

  40. lfstevens   2 years ago

    My take on the article is that Musk led the way, and then Meta and Youtube started to reduce their censorship as well. WaPo is very sad about it, but it appears that the corner has been turned. Viva Elon.

  41. JohnZ   2 years ago

    "There are two things I live by., Number one, I don't believe anything the government says and number two I don't take very seriously anything the main stream media says." George Carlin
    The WaPo has proven time and again to be one of the worst perpetrators of lies, deceit and outright propaganda.
    Democracy dies at the WaPo.
    Actually, the Republic dies at the WaPo.

    1. JasonT20   2 years ago

      Something I live by:

      Don't believe that a quote posted by someone in an internet comment section was really said by the person listed.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Most "George Carlin" quotes are fake.

        1. JasonT20   2 years ago

          From what I could find, the first part of it seems at least approximately correct. But I couldn't find anything where he got to the second thing he lived by, and there is no way he would have limited his skepticism to the "mainstream media" and left out right-wing or right-leaning outlets or anything else owned or funded by billionaires (like Fox and Reason).

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  43. William   2 years ago

    "For me, that unilluminating, sycophantic interview, during which Carlson never asked a challenging question and let Trump ramble on about whatever random subjects flitted through his mind, was hard to watch."

    LOL --- Yeah, god forbid that the public should hear from a candidate and former president without the conversation being controlled and manipulated by "journalists," 95% of whom only studied journalism because they'd already flunked out of every other major offered by a university --- including English.

    One of the biggest problems in America today is the dishonest control of MORONIC "journalists" over public discourse. When one looks back over history, a non-journalist might notice that one of the REASONS that the Lincoln-Douglas debates were so historic is that they weren't controlled by poorly-educated FRAUDS passing themselves off as "journalists."

    1. JasonT20   2 years ago

      LOL — Yeah, god forbid that the public should hear from a candidate and former president without the conversation being controlled and manipulated by “journalists,”

      Any skepticism you have for journalists should be at least doubled for politicians. A politician able to just say what he wants without anyone asking difficult questions can't be trusted farther than he could be thrown.

      1. Sylvie1   2 years ago (edited)

        Politicians have at least a little more accountability than “journalists” – they can be voted out of office.

        How do we toss "journalists" off their platforms?

        1. JasonT20   2 years ago

          Uh, by not reading their articles or watching their programs? Ratings, clicks, purchased newspapers, and advertising is what pays their salaries.

        2. JohnZ   2 years ago

          That is unless journalists such as Michael Hastings, Julian Assange, Gary Webb or Dorothy Kilgallen.
          Losing their job would be a blessing. At least they would still be alive or free.
          Funny how certain journalists end up committing suicide, crashing their cars or O.D.ing, isn't it. Or that some journalists expose the truth and end up in prison for years.
          I can't imagine who would do such a thing. No siree

  44. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

    "For me, that unilluminating, sycophantic interview, during which Carlson never asked a challenging question and let Trump ramble on about whatever random subjects flitted through his mind, was hard to watch. "

    JFC!

    Did you *not* watch any of the Biden 60 minutes interview? Or the MSNBC interview where he just gets up and wanders off after getting pitched a bunch of softballs?

  45. JohnZ   2 years ago

    This is the same "newspaper" that has Taylor Lorenz working for it. The same insufferable little bitch who doxxed the Libs of TicToc and then whined like the little bitch she is when it was her turn to be doxxed.
    The WaPo may just be the news paper democracy could do without.
    " The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." Thomas Jefferson

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