Trump's Alleged Cover-Up of His Cover-Up Reinforces the Obstruction Charges Against Him
While it remains unclear how sensitive the documents he retained were, his attempts to conceal them are easier to prove.

During his CNN town hall in May, Donald Trump tried to explain why he had done nothing wrong by keeping thousands of presidential records, including more than 300 marked as classified, when he left office in January 2021. "I had the absolute right to do whatever I want with them," he declared. Under the Presidential Records Act, Trump claimed, he had complete discretion to decide which documents belonged in the National Archives and which he could retain as his personal property.
That argument is not only inconsistent with the plain text of the statute; it is highly implausible in light of the motivation for the law, which, as Trump himself contradictorily noted, was a response to Richard Nixon's similar assertion of control over presidential records. Yesterday the Justice Department unveiled a superseding indictment of Trump that suggests he ignored another lesson he could have learned from Nixon: It's not the crime; it's the cover-up.
The original indictment, dated June 8, made a strong case that Trump willfully obstructed efforts to recover the records he took. In particular, it presented evidence that he deliberately defied a May 2022 federal subpoena demanding that he turn over every document with classification markings that he still had at Mar-a-Lago.
The evidence of Trump's defiance includes notes taken by one of his lawyers, Evan Corcoran, indicating that Trump suggested they should conceal documents covered by the subpoena. It also includes Trump's instructions to one of his aides, Walt Nauta, who removed more than 30 boxes of records from the Mar-a-Lago storage room that Corcoran planned to search in response to the subpoena. And it includes a sworn statement from Trump's lawyers, allegedly based on information he gave them, assuring the Justice Department that he had turned over all the records demanded by the subpoena. That was not true, as the FBI confirmed when it searched Mar-a-Lago on August 8.
The first indictment included charges against Nauta for participating in the alleged conspiracy to conceal classified documents. The superseding indictment adds a new wrinkle, alleging an attempted cover-up of the cover-up.
The indictment names a new defendant, Mar-a-Lago property manager Carlos De Oliveira, who reportedly told another Trump employee, I.T. specialist Yuscil Taveras, that "the boss" wanted to delete surveillance camera video that would show Nauta and De Oliveira moving boxes out of the storage room. According to the indictment, Taveras responded that he did not know how to erase the footage and, in any case, did not think he had the authority to do so. He suggested that De Oliveira contact The Trump Organization's director of security. De Oliveira reiterated that "the boss" wanted the video deleted and asked, "What are we going to do?"
That conversation allegedly happened on June 27, 2022, five days after the Justice Department emailed the Trump Organization's lawyer a draft of a grand jury subpoena seeking "any and all surveillance records, videos, images, photographs and/or CCTV from internal cameras" recorded since January 10, 2022, at various Mar-a-Lago locations, including the area of the storage room. The indictment notes that Trump called De Oliveira the day after that email and spoke to him for 24 minutes. That conversation, the indictment implies, was the source of the evidence-concealing instruction that De Oliveira tried to carry out.
In the end, the footage was not deleted, which is why the Justice Department was able to obtain much of the evidence cited in the indictment via the subpoena, which arrived in its final form on June 24, 2022. But the alleged attempt to destroy that evidence is the basis for two of the new counts in the superseding indictment.
Count 40 says Trump, Nauta, and De Oliveira "did knowingly [and] corruptly persuade and attempt to persuade another person, with intent to cause and induce [that] person to alter, destroy, mutilate, and conceal an object with intent to impair the object's integrity and availability for use in an official proceeding." That happened, the indictment says, when the three men asked Taveras to "delete security camera footage at the Mar-a-Lago Club to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury." Based on the same conduct, Count 41 says Trump et al. attempted to destroy the video, a distinct offense that does not necessarily involve persuasion of another person.
Those alleged crimes are felonies punishable by up to 20 years in prison. So are the three other obstruction charges against Trump, which involve his attempts to hide classified documents.
Trump also is charged with 32 counts of willfully retaining "national defense information," each of which corresponds to a specific document he kept. Each of those counts is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
Those charges include a new count based on a top-secret document concerning potential military action against Iran that Trump allegedly waved around during a July 2021 meeting at his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey, with researchers working on former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows' memoir. In a recording of that conversation, Trump says, "I have a big pile of papers, [and] this thing just came up. Look." He describes the document as "highly confidential" and "secret information," adding that "as president, I could have declassified it," but "now I can't," so "this is still a secret."
In a Fox News interview with Bret Baier last month, Trump put an implausible spin on that episode. Contrary to what he said at the time, he claimed that he never actually held up a classified document. "There was no document," he said. "That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things. And it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document. I didn't have a document per se. There was nothing to declassify. These were newspaper stories, magazine stories, and articles."
According to the indictment, however, the Justice Department has identified the document in question, which it describes as a "presentation concerning military activity in a foreign country." Trump retained the document, it says, from January 20, 2021, until January 17, 2022, the day that he surrendered 15 boxes of records to the National Archives.
Still, proving that Trump willfully retained national defense information requires more than showing that he kept classified material. It requires persuading a jury that Trump had "reason to believe" that the documents "could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation." While that seems plausible based on the indictment's cursory descriptions of the documents, it remains unclear to what extent Trump's actions actually endangered national security, especially given the widely acknowledged problem of overclassification. Convicting Trump will require more evidence about the contents of the documents, which will lead to much wrangling over how much classified information can be safely divulged to the jury.
The obstruction charges, by contrast, do not hinge on the nature of the records that Trump kept. If the prosecution can show that Trump deliberately hid the documents, deliberately defied one federal subpoena, and deliberately tried to frustrate another, that would amount to obstruction, regardless of how sensitive the material was.
To rebut those allegations, Trump's lawyers will have to argue that he had no criminal intent when he talked to Corcoran, when he had boxes of documents moved in and out of the storage room, or when he gave whatever information Corcoran relied on when he concluded that his "diligent search" had discovered all of the remaining classified records. They may also question whether De Oliveira was acting on explicit instructions from Trump when he tried to delete the surveillance footage, as opposed to drawing a mistaken inference about what "the boss" wanted.
Depending on the contrary testimony or other evidence they can muster to poke holes in the government's story, Trump's lawyers may be able to create reasonable doubt as to whether there could be innocent explanations for the seemingly obstructive conduct described in the indictment. But based on what we know now, the obstruction charges seem like the most serious threat to Trump's continued freedom.
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Just a scant decade ago libertarians were against process crimes and obstruction as the primary crux of criminal fights.
In this case sullum even defends it despite judicial precedent of the Clinton sock drawer case giving broad deference to ex presidents.
The libertarian case for political prosecutions.
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Sullum needs to be tarred and feathered... minimum
He calls that Saturday night.
What the hell makes you think Reason is libertarian anymore?
Eight years of trashing Trump, and half the writers and editors voting for Biden are a strong indicator that there is very little libertarianism left in this libertarian publication. If I were any of them, I would have gotten a new day job and built up an independent podcast or something rather than be a collaborator with the Marxist democrats.
I think the rule of law and holding people accountable for their actions is important to my well being. Your take on the Clinton case is wrong. It certainly did NOT give deference to ex-Presidents.
Here's a hint for you. They ruled the PRA gave deference to the president in deciding what personal papers are.
I know your CNN law degree gives you bravery, but read the fucking decision. Tired of this ignorance.
It’s like when Tony raves about guns and gun control. Democrats shouldn’t be allowed to vote, run companies, work for government, etc.. They’re too stupid and ignorant. And really, it’s not like they’re real Americans anyway.
After reading the comments for some weeks now, you are an absolute hack of a debater. This is what you come out with LOL? Top comment and a real Algonquin Round Table of thought going on. From what I can tell, you are probably at least 5 different commenters with a whole lot of time on your hands. Must have no wife, no kids, no job, no friends since you sit here and circle jerk with the yourself and the handful of rubes that think you're smart.
Arizona is stupid place on it face for the absolute idiocy of thinking you could live in the desert forever without an actual water source and I thank you for illustrating the thinking come out of that cesspool.
he article discusses how a superseding indictment reinforces the obstruction charges against Donald Trump, focusing on his alleged cover-up of classified documents. The obstruction charges appear to be the most serious threat to Trump's freedom.
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It was only a blow job until Clinton was raping girls on Epstein's island.
Clinton was likely raping girls as far back as college. According to some sources, there were accusations leveled at him during his undergrad days. Of course those records ar e gone now. Much like Obama having all his college records sealed.
Clinton was likely raping girls as far back as college. According to some sources, there were accusations leveled at him during his undergrad days. Of course those records are gone now. Much like Obama having all his college records sealed.
How could it be rape on the Island? As their trafficker of the moment, Epstien was as close as they had to a "legal guardian" so his consent would be binding under the laws of that locality.
This makes your morning comments regarding but Hillary seem quite unprincipled no?
Fortunately Alcohol-Induced Dementia takes care of any concerns he has about appearing hypocritical.
Hunter Biden Shouldn't Go to Prison for Violating an Arbitrary Gun Law
A judge's questions about his plea deal should not obscure the point that the law he broke is unjust and arguably unconstitutional.
JACOB SULLUM | 7.26.2023 2:50 PM
https://reason.com/2023/07/26/hunter-biden-shouldnt-go-to-prison-for-violating-an-arbitrary-gun-law/
FTI, part of the above gun charge was throwing it away in a dumpster by a high school and sending the Secret Service to the gun store to retrieve the paperwork in case a kid was shot by Hunter's gun.
The entire BIDEN family should either be executed or put in SuperMax for life for their crimes.
But it's Trump.
Quite a stark contrast, isn't it? Is Sullum just a pen-name for Rachel Maddow? It's the same style of circular rationalizations of poorly investigated and stupidly interpreted information
I know, right? No need to actually look at details of the cases involved. Only keep tabs of tribal identities.
Details:
-Hunter deliberately lied on a gun form and deliberately did not pay taxes.
-Allegedly may have asked something to be done that was ultimately not done.
Oh, I see. So it is a comparison of apples and oranges.
Watermelons and blueberries actually.
Correct Jeff, Hunter is undeniably guilty (which we know cause he fucking admitted it) while what's happening with Trump is alleged at best.
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https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1685137626976702464?t=T7hdhrj7lg3AK4IFZBOV9w&s=19
This is the sum total of DOJs claims that Trump ordered the deletion of security video.
That’s it. Then Trump produced 9 months of footage to Biden’s DOJ. Actually the equivalent of 1100 days bc multiple cameras.
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Pearl don’t you understand? Pedo Jeffy worships these elite democrats. They are his gods and his master. He will endlessly lie and sea lion rather than countenance any blasphemy.
Trump is being charged with mishandling of classified documents, and of covering it up. The Hunter article refers to ‘drugs plus guns equals a felony’.
Can we agree on that?
If so, are you arguing that the presentation is skewed, are you saying that laws regarding state secrets and obstruction are as unconstitutional and unjust as gun control and the drug war, what's your point here?
Just trying to see if there is any argument here other than boo hoo not fair waaah.
What cover-up? He was literally negotiating with NARA as every fucking president has done before. Judicial precedence is given to the president to decide which documents are valid to return.
Do you find it weird is the only people here listing facts and precedents are the ones you are claiming are crying?
Trump was being asked to return documents. That is not a negotiation. When he finally did turn over a dozen boxes the NARA found classified material. That's when they referred the situation to the DoJ. The PRA does not give any President the right to take whatever they want out of the WH.
Please reconcile with Navy vs. Ferguson, thanks.
It is absolutely a negotiation. And NARA violations are not crimes. At worst this is a civil violation that would result in a fine.
Hunter's gun was obtained illegally and then disposed of illegally and the drugs he used are illegal.
Trump had the documents legally and was slow walking giving them back but negotiating with NARA.
Both sides?
Equal justice?
If Hunter wasn't the president's son, this shit would have been dealt with through jail time, long ago.
If Trump wasn't running for the presidency, none of the charges he is facing would have been brought, at all.
Equal justice?
Bullshit. Almost no one gets prosecuted for what Hunter is being prosecuted for it is around .001% look it up
I mean I cam name 2 people from Trumps campaign indicted on less evidence for FARA than Hunter.
But go on.
Most persons convicted of the crimes to which Hunter Biden pled guilty do not serve time. They might, however, suffer some hefty financial penalties.
And this isn’t counting the multiple FARA violations of which he is undeniably guilty. Plus oh so much more. But all that would bring Joe Biden into it, and that will not be allowed.
"and of covering it up"
Peak Sarcasmic.
I hope that drunken faggot plans to spend the rest of his posting life here hiding from me. He threatened me six months ago and I’m going to come after him until he begs my forgiveness, or leaves forever.
Yes, he should, be a use any of us would under the same circumstance!
If the prosecution can show that Trump deliberately hid the documents, deliberately defied one federal subpoena, and deliberately tried to frustrate another, that would amount to obstruction, regardless of how sensitive the material was.
But that would be preposterous. No reasonable prosecutor could possibly show that Trump would deliberately hide documents or defy a subpoena. Why, he cheerfully cooperated with the feds every step of the way.
BWHAAHAHAH
It’s always best to bow down to all demands of the government.
/jeff
Jeff bows down and blows the government.
And he’s a big fan of child rape and child mutilation too. He’s the biggest champion of those people.
"If the prosecution can show that Trump deliberately hid the documents, deliberately defied one federal subpoena, and deliberately tried to frustrate another,"
Here Jeff and Jacob let the If do all the heavy lifting.
Heavy "ifting"!
‘If it can be shown Jeffy and Jacob are fuikty if sodomzing little boys, then they should be executed.’
Gosh, ‘if’ really can do a lot of heavy lifting.
One has to ask why the gov wanted these docs at all. Weren’t they all copies? Was there any evidence that Trump was misusing them - NO. And what made their recovery so urgent?
Doesn’t the ex Prez need docs to write his memoirs?
I appreciate Jacob Sullum reminding readers that the heart of this case is not the documents but rather the refusal to return the documents when requested. These documents whether classified or unclassified were the property of the American people and not the former President's. NARA, the representatives of the American people in this matter, tried unsuccessfully to get the return and this became a criminal matter only because of the former Presidents actions.
These documents whether classified or unclassified were the property of the American people and not the former President’s.
Alleges facts not in evidence. The Presidential Records Act gives great leeway to the President on if a document is personal or not. Whether Trump had to give these copies back is in dispute and has been for over a year.
There is no great leeway on records. The definition of Presidential records (property of the American people) and personal records (property of the individual) are spelled out in 44 USC Ch22 Section 2201 Definitions. Any document that was involved in the performance of the duty of the office is a Presidential record. It is not that hard to understand and the former President had lawyers that could slowly explain it to him.
b) Documentary materials produced or received by the President, the President’s staff, or units or individuals in the Executive Office of the President the function of which is to advise or assist the President, shall, to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.
1) The term "documentary material" means all books, correspondence, memoranda, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not limited to, audio and visual records, or other electronic or mechanical recordations, whether in analog, digital, or any other form.
(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term--
(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President’s staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but
(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) of title 5, United States Code; (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.
(3) The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes--
(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;
(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and
(C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
These documents were all created for the president so they are presidential or personal.
Trump labeled most of this junk with no importance, and no value past souvenir status.
Biden admin weaponized the law against trump instead of providing the staff required in 85-745.
Office Staff for Former Presidents’’ may be used to pay fees of an independent contractor who is not a member of the staff of the office of a former President for the review of Presidential records of a former President in connection with the transfer of such records to the National Archives and Records Administration or a Presidential Library without regard to the limitation on staff compensation set forth herein. (c) The Administrator of General Services shall furnish for each former President suitable office space appropriately furnished and equipped, as determined by the Administrator, at such place within the United States as the former President shall specify. (d) [Repealed. Public Law 86–682, Section 12(c), September 2, 1960, 74 Stat. 730.]
As noted in your copy of the PRA text the Presidential and personal records are to be stored separately, that is on the former President's administration to do as the records are created. Trump has no authority to define the records, NARA decides if Presidential records are junk, not the former President. There was no weaponization, the NARA requested the return of the records and the matter would have ended there. Trump created his own problem. There is no record that the former President was refused assistance with the records, records suggest he never asked.
Thank you for setting these fools straight.
The fools are you two. This had been adjudicated under Clinton. You are free to read the fucking decision instead of CNN. M4E has been given direct citations a dozen times.
Their willful ignorance is vexatious.
(B) does not include any documentary materials that are …..; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.
So nothing illegally held by Trump.
The Presidential Records Act gives great leeway to the President…
Trump isn’t President anymore. If he had wanted to declassify some documents he should have done it while he was President.
By the way, every time Trump or one of his apologists says these documents are declassified (by his thinking them declassified or whatever), they are saying they are cool with them being obtainable by anyone via FOIA.
"...they are saying they are cool with them being obtainable by anyone via FOIA."
You say that like it would be considered a bad thing.
He was president when he took them, and as the Clinton sock drawer judge ruled, the act of taking them declassified them.
That is pure BS. You sound as stupid as Trump.
Act blue isn't sending their best here.
Look faggot, there was a whole legal decision about this. Everyone here is aware of it. Other than your ignorant ass.
Now fuck off. You’re cluttering up the comments with your democrat drivel.
Fact
Unless it is military intelligence, it shouldn’t be classified. period. Classification is a totalitarian crutch.
As anyone knows who has been following the Trump Mar-a-Lago documents story, some of the documents are military intelligence.
The nuclear codes!
Trump says, "I have a big pile of papers, [and] this thing just came up. Look." He describes the document as "highly confidential" and "secret information," adding that "as president, I could have declassified it," but "now I can't," so "this is still a secret."
Difficulty. The PRA and judicial precedence after Clinton say differently.
No. It is clearly spelled out in 44 USC Ch22 Section 2201. Clinton's recordings were personal notes that were not circulated as part of performance of his duty as President. These are definition in 2201.3 of the above code.
So what.
There was still confidential information on the recordings.
Mod, how many times have you been given the decision from the sock drawer case? Yet you continue to be retarded as fuck.
In 2010, the conservative non-profit organization Judicial Watch sued the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) in an effort to get the tapes classified as presidential records. A judge threw out the case, siding against Judicial Watch and ruling that “NARA does not have the authority to designate materials as ‘Presidential records,’ NARA does not have the tapes in question, and NARA lacks any right, duty, or means to seize control of them.”
https://www.allsides.com/story/donald-trump-will-clinton-sock-drawer-case-exonerate-trump-federal-charges
"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.
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"Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records," she added.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/old-case-over-audio-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact
So for the 20th time you've argued this you are fucking wrong.
No. You are reading more into the decision than it says. The President, through his administration, is responsible for separating Presidential records from personal records that is established in 44 USC Ch22. It does not give the President sole authority to determine what is and what is not a President records that is established in 44 USC Ch22 Section 2201. Presidential Clinton made recordings as personal notes and did not use them in the performance of his duties as President and as such they would meet the determination of a personal record in the definitions.
Any lawyers want to check this for me?
I have taken some time to review the decision in JUDICIAL WATCH, INC. v. NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION, Civil Action No. 10–1834 (ABJ). March 1, 2012. The case is between the NARA and a third party. So, NARA and President Clinton were in agreement that the recordings were personal property. The decision while providing deference to the President to decide on Presidential records makes note of the fact that the President must notify the archivist and Congress. This suggests that the President cannot unilaterally make decisions on documents. The decision does not address what happens if the President and NARA are in disagreement.
Yeah, like they give a shit about the property of the American people. They only care when they can use it against their political enemies. You live in some kind of dream world.
There is not political persecution here, this is self-inflicted. Had the former President complied with the request to return the document no further action would have been taken. NARA turned this over to the DOJ only when rebuffed by Trump.
You’re beyond ignorant. Just an entry vessel to be filed with whatever Marxist nonsense your democrat masters choose.
Remember when libertarians used to oppose process crimes?
Remember when the libertarian position was to oppose the abuse of government power to target individuals instead of starting with allegations of a crime and investigating that?
apparently not.
Remember when libertarians used to oppose process crimes?
They did? When did libertarians ever oppose process crimes in totality?
Should "obstruction of justice" not be a crime at all?
If that is the case, then no law enforcement agency could ever enforce a subpoena even when it concerns a "real crime".
The libertarian position would be to be sceptical over the general use of process crimes particularly where the underlying conduct was not actually criminal – not over process crimes per se.
However, all of the people posting here in defence of Trump aren’t libertarians but right-wingers - libertaryans, even - who supposedly support law and order except where Trump is involved, as Tuba non potest peccare
I understand skepticism about the overuse of process crimes. But I don't think that would translate into not having any process crimes at all.
Arrested for resisting arrest.
Lying to the FBI
We have discussed "witness tampering" in the context of calling a lifelong friend to ask for help when the FBI is (secretly) using threats to get that person to testify.
The pile of evidence is almost endless.
Where is the "Libertarians for process crimes" lobby? Sure, resisting arrest is probably our number one complaint... but pretty much anything where there is no underlying crime is in the same bucket.
Remember Scooter Libby? The FBI claimed he leaked a name when they already knew that someone else leaked the name... and they claimed that a scribbled name on the edge of a reporter's notebook was proof. But they didn't charge him with the thing they knew he didn't do. They charged him with lying about leaking the name - even though they had no proof of either thing actually happening.
This was the case where I learned that the FBI doesn't record interviews. They take notes. And if their note says you said you were in a black car, and the car was white, they can put you in jail for a felony for lying.... based entirely on their own notes. Even if you say you never said any such thing.
The most process of process crimes.
No, libertarians are not in favor of this nonsense. Never have been. Never will be.
As I said, abusing a process crime is not the same as wanting process crimes to go away entirely.
Obstructing justice is an actual crime when real justice is actually being obstructed.
And what real justice was actually being obstructed? And yes, the question is rhetorical.
But to you commies, a conservative raising a defense is "obstructing justice".
If you had your way, simply hiring a defense attorney would qualify.
But to you nihilists (not conservatives), getting rid of all the laws is justified if it saves Trump.
Should “resisting arrest” when the arrest is lawful be a crime?
Should perjury be a crime?
Should obstructing a legitimate criminal investigation by, e.g., destroying evidence or lying to investigators be a crime?
Should threatening a witness to prevent them testifying be a crime?
Should making any misstatement of fact deemed to be a lie by federal law enforcement be considered a crime?
And the leftist shrike weighs in on when biased used of process crimes matters. Lol.
Oh fuck off you lying POS. I'm neither a leftist nor shrike. And I didn't whinge when there were obstruction prosecutions of Sussmann and Danchenko - which of course you supported.
You mean the noble gentlemen who deliberately submitted documents they knew were fraudulent? Those two?
And they were acquitted - but the point is that unlike you whingeing infants I didn't complain about the charges.
Please provide a citation shrike.
Still not shrike, you lying fuckwit. Where was your cite earlier?
Are you Rappaport?
"However, all of the people posting here in defence of Trump aren’t libertarians but right-wingers – libertaryans, even – who supposedly support law and order except where Trump is involved, as Tuba non potest peccare"
You are a lying pile of TDS-addled shit, obnoxiously arrogant, asshole.
No, many are arguing for similar treatment. Obama, Hitlary and Biden have all gotten away with as much or more. If you seek Trump's head, it comes after at least three others and a host of government-puke employees that supported the latter.
If you don't agree, it is you that are the biased scum. If you do, fine, but let's get first things first. All liars and criminals are labeled and prosecuted, or we go back to supporting the ones who lie for you/
If anything Trump did was obstruction of justice, Hitlery and low SAT Joe, and ALL their accomplices should ALL do time.
Put Trump away if you want (who cares?), but start where it started:
1. Obama admin setting up the Russia Collusion lie and Mueller investigation, 2. Hitlary’s e-mails, 3. Hunter Biden’s Laptop lie, and and 4. the massive First Amendment violations of the totalitarians in power. All are obstructions of justice, violations of the First Amendment and/or disgusting totalitarian aggressions. There is no valid argument against these transgressions.
Remember when libertarians used to oppose process crimes?
No, actually. I do not.
Remember when the libertarian position was to oppose the abuse of government power to target individuals...
duh
...starting with allegations of a crime and investigating that
"We need that stuff back."
"Screw you! I do what I want!"
"No, seriously. We need that stuff back."
"You're fired! Ha ha, see what I did there?"
"We're going to charge you with a crime."
"La la la I can't hear you!"
"Alright. Here's the allegations and we're doing an investigation."
"It's political! It's all political! It was a targeted political investigation! Out of nowhere! Democrats did it first!"
*yawn*
To be fair youre a neocon that now defends the left and were never a libertarian, so you missed process crime abuses always being criticized by actual libertarians.
Dude..... every single one of these prosecutors started with "I will find a crime and prosecute Trump." A couple campaigned on that promise.
The current AG has made it quite clear that he intends to run his department as a political weapon. It isn't ambiguous.
Sarc knows. He's doing a little trick of his, popularly called dishonesty.
Trump could put his pants on with his left leg first instead of the right and some people would still think it "reinforces the obstruction charges against him."
Except there ARE no attempts to conceal anything.
Only accusations from the people who created the fake charges in the first place.
Except there ARE no attempts to conceal anything.
You mean, aside from wrongly stating that all documents had been returned, moving boxes around, trying to find someone to delete video, etc. Why can't you just go along with the general Trumpsucker narrative that, yes, he had classified documents, and yes, he concealed that he had them and yes he tried to avoid returning them but none of this was criminal, and indeed, was done to protect the US against Hillary Clinton's emailz, Hunter Biden's laptop, Teapot Dome, and the Spanish Armada.
You mean, aside from wrongly stating that all documents had been returned, moving boxes around, trying to find someone to delete video, etc.
C'mon, man. Trump is the American Pope: he is infallible because he loves America so much.
All documents he had or all documents he was asked for?
Until 2019 Obama still had classified documents in a warehouse he had control over. Discuss.
There isn’t even any evidence they still aren’t there.
By the way shrike, showing your verbal tics again.
Have you disagreed with a single prosecution of a conservative from FACE act, to Flynn, to non violent j6? Nope. Yet you claim others are the biased ones. Lol.
Until 2019 Obama still had classified documents in a warehouse he had control over.
Cite?
Have you disagreed with a single prosecution of a conservative from FACE act, to Flynn, to non violent j6? Nope. Yet you claim others are the biased ones. Lol.
Am I supposed to disagree with the prosecution of people who've committed criminal acts and been convicted thereafter?
Sure I'm biased. I'm not pro-Democrat, but I am assuredly anti- the Trumpist GOP, authoritarian evangelicals, white supremacists, libertaryans like yourself - and also left-wing anti-Zionists, socialists (though not generally on moral grounds). post-modernists, intersectionalists, etc. But you don't see too many real lefties post here, while the Trumpenproletariat abound.
So it's not a tic, it's an outright and overt expression.
But you don’t see too many real lefties post here, while the Trumpenproletariat abound.
I know, right?
Both Team Red and Team Blue have some pretty awful and terrible ideas. But the awful, terrible ideas that are presented here in the Reason comment section are not equally distributed between Team Red and Team Blue. They are, almost universally, terrible Team Red ideas. And some people get upset when those of us who hate both Team Red and Team Blue spend most of our time criticizing Team Red ideas. Well duh – if there were a bunch of socialists here presenting a bunch of daft socialist ideas, we’d be criticizing those all day instead.
Maybe if the Team Red crowd doesn’t want us criticizing their terrible ideas, they should stop proposing terrible ideas.
That lie again. Obama does not have control over the documents in the Chicago warehouse. NARA does.
That lie again.
Dude. Literally everyone on right-wing media said the exact same thing. How can it be a lie????? /sarc
What makes someone want to try to win a debate with “facts” that are long ago discredited? Do they think that because they can drop something like Obama’s warehouse of documents in their echo chamber that it will go unchallenged when debating with someone not in their bubble?
Yes, you are a TDS-addled lying pile of shit.
"Have you disagreed with a single prosecution of a conservative from FACE act, to Flynn, to non violent j6? Nope. Yet you claim others are the biased ones. Lol.
Am I supposed to disagree with the prosecution of people who’ve committed criminal acts and been convicted thereafter?"
Yeah, Flynn committed the heinous crime of having a son he cared for.
The evidence of Trump's defiance includes notes taken by one of his lawyers, Evan Corcoran, indicating that Trump suggested they should conceal documents covered by the subpoena.
Or his words portray that he considered ignoring the subpoena because he didn't believe it was a lawful subpoena, or else was looking for a legal recourse to avoid turning over documents he didn't think the government was entitled to. This shouldn't be a crime in that he was talking to a lawyer and telling him he didn't want to do something, and it's the lawyer's job to advise him what he's obligated to do. If you ask a lawyer about your options, the implication is that you're asking for options to OBEY the law, and not to break it.
Beyond that, this is a privileged conversation with counsel that shouldn't be allowed to serve as the basis for any investigation, much less a charge. You should be able to go, get your lawyer, and confess to him about all the most horrible things you've ever done without the government being able to later use that information against you.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-crime-fraud-exception-the-attorney-client-privilege.html
There should be limited means to break privilege, like, if a serial killer starts telling a lawyer about his next victim. Or if the confesses that he's planning to commit insurance fraud.
Actually talking to a lawyer about your options, even if you ask if you can do something that's against the law, runs entirely counter to the spirit of Attorney-Client privilege. The whole purpose is to allow people to be honest, and to get legal advice, and if they simply suggest doing something unlawful, it may be due to ignorance or simply requiring correction. Trump's supposed "intentions" to defy the subpoena are all questions that the lawyer should have answered and kept under privilege.
"I don't want anybody looking through my boxes. I really don't. I don't want you looking through my boxes."
This doesn't portray any intention to defy a law. It's simply Trump stating his desires. You can want a lot of things, or say you want a lot of things. You can say you want to kill your boss but that doesn't mean you're planning a murder.
"What happens if we just don't respond at all or don't play ball with them?"
Trump is asking for LEGAL advice here, and wanting the lawyer to tell him if he can legally defy this subpoena. Because he believed he was in the right and didn't necessarily need to hand over anything.
"Wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't have anything here?"
Asking about a legal strategy. A question phrased to a lawyer. Not a statement that says, "We're going to tell them there are no documents here."
"Isn't it better if there are no documents?"
Same thing.
And for all we know, Trump was joking. "Maybe they show up and learn I've just had an unfortunate boating accident, ya know." These are quotes from a transcript. The lawyer has to tell you Trump's intent, but he's not inside Trump's mind.
If I get a call from police asking me to come in and answer some questions, and I call a lawyer and ask them, "So what happens if I don't show up? Wouldn't it be better if I ignored them?" I'm just asking them how to respond to a situation. It doesn't convey any attempt to break the law.
Asking about a legal strategy.
Sure - if you ignore all the other details surrounding this case. Like Trump bragging to his guests ON TAPE about these classified documents that he is waving around that HE KNOWS that he isn't supposed to have. Or his willful defiance of a subpoena. Or his lawyer's perjurious lies attesting that he's returned all the documents.
Look I agree that this addendum to the case is rather weak. But Trump is also a guy who tries everyone's patience. The DOJ is throwing the book at him and I cannot say that I am surprised. And no I don't think it's because he's a Republican or a candidate, it is because he's a stubborn defiant asshole who LOVES to act as though the rules don't apply to him, and now when he is finally caught, whine and complain about what a poor widdle victim he is while raking in the fundraising cash over it.
Like Trump bragging to his guests ON TAPE about these classified documents that he is waving around that HE KNOWS that he isn’t supposed to have.
That's still an unproven factual matter, but for the sake of argument, let's say he had guests over and offered to show them that he smuggled out nuclear launch codes he wasn't supposed to have. It doesn't factor at all in the lawyer's or the government's obligations to protect attorney-client speech. You say he willfully defied a subpoena, but the evidence of that is largely the testimony of the lawyer, that breaks attorney-client privilege and is very arguable.
But Trump is also a guy who tries everyone’s patience.
Agreed. Being annoying is not a crime.
The DOJ is throwing the book at him and I cannot say that I am surprised.
Neither am I. And not just because he's a Republican, but because he was anti-establishment, an outsider, and because he didn't play by the polite rules of DC. Because he didn't show proper deference toward the insider's club of the "Intelligence Community," didn't respect certain generals' desire to go to war with Iran. He rode in a campaign that was strongly targeting the entrenched bureaucracy, so it's the least surprising thing ever that the entrenched bureaucracy hates him.
Oh give me a break. It's not because he 'targeted the bureaucracy'. It's because he pisses everyone off. He plays this game where he gets to make up his own rules and lie about everyone, then whine like a bitch and play victim when he is called out on it. He is not some noble hero being martyred. He is just an asshole.
Give the rest of us a break and end your sophistry.
Do you believe that the laws should be applied to everyone equally?
Do you think that's happening in this case? Compared to others.
Of course. But details matter, intentions matter, mens rea matters. One person making an honest mistake and cooperating to correct that mistake is different than another person intentionally defying the authorities and lying on tape about it.
I can’t help but wonder what kind of fraud is being alleged here.
If there’s no actual fraud, the justification for violating attorney-client privilege disappears.
Beyond that, this is a privileged conversation with counsel that shouldn’t be allowed to serve as the basis for any investigation, much less a charge.
That's what I was wondering about when I read that. I've been trying to figure out how they got around attorney-client privilege on that but all the articles I've read just repeat that fact as if it's no biggie and never explain how that wasn't covered under privilege. Was it the secret "because FYTW, OrangeMan" clause that seems to be included in every law now in invisible ink?
Jack Smith has a long history of prosecutorial abuse to break privilege. He has been cited by courts prior for the same shit.
Such as?
They may also question whether De Oliveira was acting on explicit instructions from Trump when he tried to delete the surveillance footage, as opposed to drawing a mistaken inference about what “the boss” wanted.
I would question whether De Oliveira even really tried to delete the footage. Unless he confessed, the only corroboration they can possibly have is from an IT guy who said De Oliveira asked him to. So you could also attack that conversation-whether the IT guy is being truthful, or if he misunderstood the request.
Because all De Oliveira seems to have done, per the indictment, was head to the server room, pull this guy out, and talk to him. The guy then supposedly told him, “Well, I can’t do that, and I’m not sure it’s legal.” And that’s all that the FBI alleges he did. He’s not alleged to have contacted anyone else, or trying to hide the servers, or searching for “Big-Ass Magnets” on Amazon. If he was trying to help Trump cover up a crime or defy a subpoena, he gave up really quickly.
Because all De Oliveira seems to have done, per the indictment, was head to the server room, pull this guy out, and talk to him. The guy then supposedly told him, “Well, I can’t do that, and I’m not sure it’s legal.” And that’s all that the FBI alleges he did.
In addition to all that, Trump’s defense could easily be that De Oliveira misunderstood his request. It seems like he could claim that this was a game of telephone and he didn’t actually say to delete the footage. Whether the jury will believe that, who knows.
Edit: Before anyone else brings up the 20 something minute phone call between Trump and De Oliveira just a couple days before the conversation with the IT guy: unless they have a recording of that phone call (hope for their sake they had a warrant), I'm pretty sure that's the definition of circumstantial evidence.
Right, regarding the phone call: Does he talk to this guy frequently? How regular are their conversations? Is there perhaps another plausible reason Trump might have called a maintenance guy at Mar a Lago? Was he having a maintenance issue at the time that could be corroborated?
Because I'm sure Trump has a lot of conversations with a lot of people every day. Just because he called someone a day after seeing a subpoena doesn't mean he called BECAUSE of the subpoena.
he gave up really quickly
And, for his part anyway, legally.
I can't count the number of times for everything between co-workers and Secret Service agents that a conversation has been effectively terminated with something between "I'm pretty sure that would be illegal." and "That would require a warrant."
How the fact that the DOJ rather transparently is leaning on the one guy who's least able to legally defend himself doesn't piss off way more people is astounding to me.
Reason is now cheering on the political persecution of some maintenance worker.
Reason is full-on Stasi bootlickers.
https://twitter.com/Peoples_Pundit/status/1685017771791241216?t=aTXuZ83ogX1ku8ZMBVFlZw&s=19
Let me translate for you what @GlennYoungkin is really saying to former DeSantis donors looking for a new horse:
"Thanks, I'm flattered. But I'm not as stupid or arrogant as the last guy. Call me if and when Trump drops out or his poll numbers crash."
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https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1685005929182334976?t=B6x6NtjRc1hZ6IyvdsRzUA&s=19
HERSAY: The Mar-a-Lago lawn guy heard from another maintenance guy that Trump wanted to delete videos from his security system. No videos were deleted. There is simply one guy telling another guy the boss wants to delete them.
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FLASHBACK: Hillary Clinton ordered her IT staff to use a tool called Bleachbit to permanently destroy emails that were under subpoena. James Comey decided not to prosecute her...
FLASHBACK: Hillary Clinton ordered her IT staff to use a tool called Bleachbit to permanently destroy emails that were under subpoena.
No, no, no, she just told them to wipe the servers "with a cloth."
That one was a pretty good middle finger, you gotta admit.
https://twitter.com/NnPnemck/status/1684934747649179649?t=qUBF0e9KVwR5gNk2Q20rCQ&s=19
The Standard GOP Uniform
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https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1685005829437816832?t=cIh7-QMsF4G97I1SXwQN3A&s=19
In January 2022, a Rasmussen poll revealed that about 40% of Democrats supported imprisoning the unvaccinated, implementing quarantine camps, and separating children from them. How do you explain this cognitive dissonance?
[Meme]
Back in the 80s and 90s a lot of Republican politicians wanted to do the same for anyone with HIV. Some still stand by that. And HIV is FAR less easy to contract than COVID. Hypocrites.
Dumb analogy.... not being vaccinated and being infected with a deadly disease are not even kissing cousins.
also... I sincerely doubt the numbers on quarantining HIV infected were much different by party. Sure, you have the gay population primarily in the democrat camp... but you also have the black population, who were way, way, way more conservative on this issue than even the moral majority types.
It's the typical blathering ahistorical/acontextual "wet roads cause rain" nonsense.
Fun fact: Andrew Cuomo
allegedly covered up the fact that he knowingly enacted policy thatkilled more people in his last two years in office than his father Mario Cuomo is alleged to have lost to HIV in his first two years.Bonus fun fact: At the time when "Republicans" were discussing state and county quarantine restrictions/arrest orders *against people knowingly spreading HIV* (a policy San Francisco Mayor Diane Feinstein helped pioneer), New York Democratic Mayor Ed Koch and the New York Times had a literal "Don't say gay." policy.
I lived though the '80's, and don't recall this at all
https://twitter.com/corsair21c/status/1685021801955614720?t=Sy1K6PF5JSrQjvjaRmYLiQ&s=19
Why bother with old fashioned things like Bills of Attainder when you can just deploy the ENTIRE apparatus of gov against political opponents and half the country doesn’t even care?
The public not caring is what is so disturbing -and also why the DeSantoids are so infuriating
"Biden is trying to imprison his general election opponent and is denying secret service protection to his main primary opponent, whose father and uncle were both killed in political assassinations. We live in a dictatorship, but not even a cool one."
Interesting fellow, this corsair21c person. Seems to be very concerned about the Jews. Very very concerned.
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1685095151444905984?t=E9mkGOpF056yblaotAL3dw&s=19
In 2018, Hunter Biden paid a Russian pimp $25,000 from Joe Biden's bank account, causing the Secret Service to frantically rush to his hotel.
Hunter paid his father's phone bills, house repairs, and monthly expenses and told his daughter that he "paid for everything for this entire family for 30 years... But don't worry unlike Pop I won't make you give me half your salary."
The entire Biden family business model was selling access to the highest levels of the US government to foreign nationals without registering under the Foreign Agent Registration Act in violation of federal law.
The Bidens funneled the money through business partners and shell companies because they obtained it illegally as unregistered foreign agents representing interests in Russia, China, and Ukraine.
Evidence supporting these claims includes bank records, wire transfer statements, suspicious activity reports, witness testimony, and data from Hunter Biden's laptop, which the FBI verified as authentic in 2019.
The laptop contains the last decade of Hunter Biden's life, including hundreds of thousands of emails, text messages, audio recordings, and photographs.
Six banks, including JP Morgan, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo, submitted over 170 suspicious activity reports to the Treasury Department regarding the Biden family, alleging their involvement in money laundering, human trafficking, and tax fraud.
Any average American family would face life in prison.
However, the Bidens live in the White House, where they weaponize the same Justice Department that just got caught offering Hunter Biden a sweetheart deal against their chief political rival.
whose father and uncle were both killed in political assassinations
Again, keep in mind, The Kennedy Files have been ordered to be disclosed at the last two administrations' discretion and neither one did. The most plausible explanation is that the documentation contains information detailing how the FBI and/or various other parts of the US government was between instrumental in and orchestrated the assassination of a sitting US President (their partial or minimal participation not being in question).
If you think that this is not as big a deal as being bought and paid for by one of the worlds most repressive governments, I don’t think you can call yourself a libertarian. That goes for the author and this publication.
Meant the opposite. If you think this is a priority and not the Bidens being owned by China.
The main witness claiming that the Bidens are owned by China turned out to be a Chinese spy.
So as long as any women who alleges rape gets paid, there can be no rape and they were just working for their employer.
I will be very eager to count the harshest critics of Reason who decide to avoid the site altogether. I suspect that number will be microscopic.
Meanwhile, there's a lot of interesting discussion here and elsewhere of the Sixth Amendment principle of "speedy trial" and the statutory specifics of that right. Yes, we hear far too often of prosecutorial misconduct whereby accused persons are detained without trial for unconscionable lengths of time. Those instances are clear violations of an accused person's Constitutional rights and would be punishable offenses were it not for prosecutorial immunity. Thus, the DOJs observance of Donald Trump's rights and privileges will no doubt be scrutinized closely.
At the same time, I do wonder about what rights and privileges the general public has or should have in cases such as his. May we not also have a right to, or at least a vested interest in, a speedy trial? Sadly, the Constitution does not seem to grant us that right. Donald Trump's rights and privileges must be respected to their fullest extent; yes, absolutely. But should he be allowed to employ legal stratagems and ploys to delay and delay his trial until such a time as he deems favorable to himself? Where (or when) then is the speedy trial for the rest of us?
You don't think critics of Reason avoid the site? Are you new here?
There was a mass exodus several years ago. Probably on the order of a hundred permanently left together. A few dozen others joined them and come back to keep an eye on an old love from time to time. But most left and haven't been back.
“ I do wonder about what rights…the general public has or should have in cases such as his. May we not also have a right to, or at least a vested interest in, a speedy trial?
What happened to the 70 day rule? That statute, whatever it’s called, serves goose and gander. Btw, of all the fuck-ups associated with the Trump indictment(s), the least of your concerns ought to be over Trump extending his trial date.
Isn't the right to a speedy trial the right of the accused? And in this case Trump wants the trial delayed indefinitely. Didn't the DoJ propose an August trial date that was within the 70 day limit?
It just doesn't seem right that destruction of evidence should be a crime. How is that different than being forced to testify against yourself in court?
If the evidence was under subpoena it is a crime. That is why the smart criminal doesn't create evidence and if they do they destroy it before it is under subpoena. Trump being a not smart criminal forgot this fact. He watches a lot of TV he might have watched more Columbo and learned a few things.
I'm no lawyer, but I don't think something has to be under subpoena for destruction of evidence to be a crime.
Wait, I thought he had nuclear secrets? Where was it that I heard that?
*checks notes*
ENB, Sullum, Lancaster, and Ciaramella all uncritically told us it was nuclear secrets.
Which might have been excusable for an NBC reporter in 2015. But after having seen the FBI and CIA collude with the DNC and members of congress to spy on and impeach Trump based entirely upon a fabricated story? Yeah, repeating anything claimed by any of those folks uncritically is an embarrassment... but particularly inexcusable is repeating claims from "high ranking sources" about Trump and some nefarious activity.
Because some of the documents are, in fact, about nuclear arms:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lacked-power-declassify-secret-nuclear-arms-document-experts-say-2023-06-18/
LOL we all see how you changed the phrasing from nuclear SECRETS.
Trump's Alleged Cover-Up of His Cover-Up Reinforces the Obstruction Charges Against Him
^Tell me you'll convict trump of literally anything without literally saying "I'd convict Trump of literally anything."
This magazine, JFC.
We live in a penal society. Someone must be penalized, just like in the old testament. It's a measure of our national maturity, a statement of our society.
And the witch-hunt continues endlessly............
I wonder if Trump J-walked too? Maybe the [WE] mobsters and their pitchforks should indictment the man on J-walking and hang him.
I wonder if Trump J-walked too?
Find the nearest homeless dude and lean on him until he says he remembers Trump saying it was OK to J-walk and then we'll have evidence of Trump's dishonesty that reinforces our existing charge that he's being dishonest.
Dude, I don't doubt that Trump's dishonest or even that he J-walked but leaning on a homeless dude to testify that he's dishonest and which still wouldn't prove he J-walked is *way* more unscrupulous.
Just so everyone is clear: giving everyone 100% full faith and credit, both sides, means that Trump stole the documents and that he stole the documents because military brass were planning an invasion against his wishes as sitting President and trying to discredit him in the media by saying the plans were his.
*If* the ploy succeeds/succeeded in either the media or in conviction of Trump preventing his re-election, it's a pretty textbook soft coup. *If* the military remains effectively able to dictate domestic policy in such a fashion, it's what's known as a disguised rule by a military regime or junta. A government of civilian figureheads controlled by martial committee. No President would be able to veto *or even necessarily disclose* military actions without permission.
Good news: Seemingly, the junta has no strong man/men/uterus havers/other and, as such, will tend to dissolve back into a degree of democratization faster than the civilian dictatorship it's nominally replacing with less of international conflict than a military led by a strongman dictator.
Bad news: The above generally happens in the absence of existing international conflict and rather directly because of the relatively larger number of human rights violations and domestic casualties.
The only question that is relevant is: did he have the right to retain those documents (answer: yes)?
It doesn't matter where he kept them or whether he had them moved.
Jan 20, 2017:
DNC to MSM:
Trump’s guilty, now go find the crime.
Easy!
He's guilty of being Donald Trump.
And if circular logic were a crime, Trump would already be in prison...
https://fabvipbio.com/
I'm so thankful Demunists understand circular logic. Without it, they'd have no case against Trump at all!
Trump says he did no such thing. I tend to believe Trump considering the lies, libel and slander the government has already been proven to have said about Trump. And that is not even considering the other lies this administration has told, the entrapment they have tricked people into, the pressure they have put on people to shut them up, and the retaliation they have unleashed on legal whistleblowers.
I do find it very convenient after 8 years of lies and investigations they had nothing so they charge Trump with a crime that involves classified documents so the “evidence” can never be shown, as it is classified! As for his employee you can bet he has been threatened with so many crimes and so much prison time he will say whatever they want him to say. He doesn’t have the money to fight them.
Trump is much too dumb to heed history lessons about cover-ups being more incriminating than the original misdeeds. He could have brazened out the 'taking classified documents and putting them in insecure locations' charges by feigning ignorance that they were classified or security risks. A jury would believe he was dumb enough to believe in his ignorance.
Sullum is consistent, if nothing else - consistently anti-Trump, no matter the circumstance. He’s obviously paid to spread this anti-Trump rhetoric. Notice how he never comments on Biden.
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