Florida Cop Jails Toddler Son for Poopy Pants
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World's worst dad? A Florida police officer was reportedly under investigation after jailing his 3-year-old son over potty-training trouble. The officer, Michael Schoenbrod, told the Florida Department of Children and Families (DCF) he had done the same thing with his other child when that child was age 4 and acted up at preschool.
Last year, the younger boy "was brought to the Daytona Beach Shores Public Safety Department on successive days last October and placed in jail," reports The Daytona Beach News-Journal. "On the second occasion, Oct. 6, 2022, the child was also handcuffed."
Schoenbrod told a DCF case worker the boy "was crying. I was getting the response I expected from him." The boy allegedly promised to never poop his pants again.
In the grand scheme of bad cops and bad parents, Schoenbrod's actions are relatively minor. Still, they stand out as yet another example of "quirky" police tomfoolery—like pulling people over to give them gift cards at Christmastime or turkeys at Thanksgiving—that hints at larger issues with police culture.
In this case, it's Schoenbrod's sense of entitlement (he seems to think it's his right to use the public jail as a personal parenting tool) and his belief that scaring and confining people (including small children!) is the best way to help them learn. He actually said that tears from the child was the response that he wanted.
The situation has also revealed bigger issues surrounding secrecy within local law enforcement agencies.
"It is unclear whether Schoenbrod and another high-ranking Daytona Beach Shores officer, Det. Sgt. Jessica Long, who brought their child to the jail on Oct. 5, faced discipline from the city," notes the News-Journal. "While the city has not made public any internal affairs findings, Both Schoenbrod and Long had 20 hours of leave without pay on their May pay stubs."
The paper did obtain "copies of memos written by Public Safety Director Michael Fowler to each informing them of a professional standards investigation," but could not obtain further information about it because the records are supposedly sealed. But why and how the records are off limits remains something of a mystery.
A city clerk told the paper the records had been sealed by a judge; meanwhile, a court administrator said the judge had not sealed the records. Then someone with the Volusia County Clerk of Court's Office said the records were "confidential due to motions for confidentiality filed within the cases." But according to Michael Barfield, director of public access initiatives for the Florida Center for Government Accountability, the city is improperly withholding the records, since "a party cannot make a record that is subject to production under Chapter 119 (of the state public records law) confidential by merely filing a lawsuit requesting confidentiality and then not setting a hearing on the motion."
In any event, Schoenbrod apparently faced a child services inquiry as well. Bodycam footage from a Volusia County Sheriff's Office deputy present during his interview with a child caseworker finds Schoenbrod saying it was "disgusting that somebody would drag our family through the mud like this" and Long calling the investigation "insane." Local reporters and residents have also had trouble obtaining records about this investigation.
"For months, Daytona Beach Shores-area residents who have seen the body-cam video or heard about it have been asking City Hall for records related to the matter, but the results of investigations remain largely shrouded in secrecy," notes the News-Journal.
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Snapchat isn't responsible for a teacher sending sexually explicit images to a student just because the social media platform features disappearing communications. U.S. District Judge Lee H. Rosenthal threw out a case alleging as much last year, and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit just upheld her decision.
The student had argued that "sexual predators" were drawn to Snapchat "by the privacy assurances granted by the disappearing messages feature of the application." He sued Snapchat along with the teacher and the school district. But Section 230 of federal communications law shields Snapchat from civil liability for content posted by users, the appeals court pointed out.
A number of civil suits, including this one, have attempted to get around Section 230 by accusing tech companies of negligence in their product design. But courts have routinely thrown out these cases, noting that fashioning the claim as one of product design rather than speech doesn't make sense.
Section 230 provides "immunity…to Web-based service providers for all claims stemming from their publication of information created by third parties," noted the district court.
"As Doe's claims against Snap were based on Mazock's messages, the district court found Snap immune from liability," pointed out the 5th Circuit in its June 26 decision:
On appeal, Doe asks us to revisit this issue. He cites several authorities in support of his contention that the broad immunity provided by the CDA goes against its plain text and public policy. However, as Doe himself acknowledges, this argument is contrary to the law of our circuit: "Parties complaining that they were harmed by a Web site's publication of user-generated content…may sue the third-party user who generated the content, but not the interactive computer service that enabled them to publish the content online."
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New Hampshire embraces universal licensing reciprocity. Republican New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu just signed into law a measure allowing professionals licensed in other states to legally work in their fields in New Hampshire without obtaining a new occupational license.
????UNIVERSAL LICENSE RECIPROCITY is now the law of the land in NH!
We took on the special interests and are cutting red tape.
Licensure reform is common sense:
✅Lowers costs for customers
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✅Grows our workforceThis is a BIG WIN for NH. pic.twitter.com/Tjaff3cOeW
— Chris Sununu (@GovChrisSununu) June 28, 2023
Known as universal licensing reciprocity, the "practice will now apply to all professions licensed in New Hampshire as long as their out-of-state requirements are 'substantially similar' to New Hampshire's," reports the New Hampshire Bulletin. The measure (House Bill 594) "will leave it to the state Office of Professional Licensure and Certification to consult with professional boards, commissions, and councils to determine what counts as 'substantially similar.'"
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Former DoJ Tax Division lead asks judge to trash Hunters tax plea agreement.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/throw-hunters-plea-in-the-trash-irs-justice-sabotage-shapley-4ae9aef0
Hunters tax plea agreement.
Who? What plea deal? Is something happening with the Biden family?
Surely not, or it would have made the Round Up at some point in the past two weeks.
You must be delusional. Or obsessed with Hunter's penis.
73 percent of voters would prefer “to shop at a business that stays neutral on political and cultural issues.” Similarly, results from a recent survey by The Trafalgar Group confirmed that over 60 percent of voters believe businesses should remain neutral on politics and cultural issues.
But as jeff can tell you, the majority has to cater to the minority for favored groups. All politics, all forced acceptance of all kinds, all the time.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/28/data-shows-americans-want-businesses-to-shelve-the-virtue-signaling-and-remain-politically-neutral/
What percentage of voters would prefer a government that stays neutral on cultural issues?
I'm part of a polling group. Some of the recurring questions are 'Is so and so company doing enough for D or E or I?". There's never a question of "Should so and so company stick to the business of making money and leave the rest of us alone"
Yes, and this is why polls are advanced lying with statistics.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
WOW! Looks like Joe Biden better stay out of Florida!
Why?
Plenty dem politicians live here, or have houses.
Not a damn thing has been done to any of them despite the regime eradicating the rule of law in this country.
Joe poops his pants. Like when he met the Queen.
And the Pope
That would make any socially aware kid shit his pants.
South park was ahead of the curve here again.
I was put in jail once by a cop friend of the family when I was that age.
It's really not newsworthy.
Reason is pro parents rights to raise their kids how they see fit right up until a cop does it. I'm about the last person who would be considered "pro cop" but this is just idiotic "REEEE POLICE!!"
Pretty much everyone has some limit on letting parents raise their kids as they want.
Setting that aside, did you actually read what was written? ENB criticized the parents for using the jail inappropriately. She also said the incident was relatively minor. Also, she didn’t call for making what the parents did illegal.
Well, we’re all so glad she wasted the top half of the rundown for something so minor.
More major than the IRS whistleblower though.
ENB is rubbing our faces in it, and I’m sure you heartily approve
"Pretty much everyone has some limit on letting parents raise their kids as they want."
And for Team (D) that limit includes any action that inhibits party orthodoxy, right?
Exactly, for team Mike HO2
Three point underdogs to Team Trunk Bears.
Pretty much everyone has some limit on letting parents raise their kids as they want
As I recall, Mike, on your side of the equation, if your son likes to play with Barbies it's perfectly acceptable to cut his junk off.
But you're drawing the line at trying to teach him not to shit himself.
huh.
Wow, you’ve managed to grossly misrepresent my views in two or three ways in a short comment.
Will circle back and correct the misrepresentations. And I’m sure you’ll read them carefully and not repeat the same mistakes on a future occasion.
4. I don’t think it is a good idea for anyone to cut their penis off. I would never approve my own son doing so. Fortunately, he has no desire to do so.
It is child abuse for any parent to do so dumdum.
it’s perfectly acceptable to cut his junk off
Your recall is not good. I’ll summarize everything I’ve ever said on the matter:
1. No surgeon in the United States will perform penis removal surgery on a minor for “gender-affirming” reasons. So, all the conservative agonizing over this specific issue is busybody-ism.
2. I actually know several San Francisco Bay Area progressive families whose daughters declared themselves to be “gender fluid” when they hit adolescence. It’s clearly a social trend among that demographic. But there are two things I have noticed personally observed that should be welcome news: a) these girls are engaging in a watered-down variant of transgenderism where all they do is ask to be called by a different name and dress androgynously. No surgery, no hormones; b) the boys in the same area don’t seem to be buying into the social trend.
3. I have opined that the prospect of having one’s penis cut off is never goIng to have widespread appeal. Even the one transgender teenager I know, who may be taking hormone blockers at most, has changed from saying he wants to become a girl to saying that he is gender-fluid.
Bailey, this is Motte...
You’ve been shown, over and over and over again, that yes in fact, surgeons do operate on minors in the US
1. False. Jazz Jennings and White House statement of facts on GAC.
2. Because some kids don't approach GAC, it makes GAC fine? What type of argument is that?
3. It isn't wide spread appeal to beat your kids either, it is still outlawed. What type of argument is that?
Whoops, #4 didn’t go where I though it would but you can see it above.
“But you’re drawing the line at trying to teach him not to shit himself.”
I didn’t draw any line. I didn’t advocate anything or state any personal opinion.
I will do so now, however: the cop couple sound like asshole parents. I feel sorry for their kids. That’s it.
That's kink-shaming. VERBOTEN!
They also don't like it much when parents interfere with teachers sexually confusing or castrating children.
It’s really not newsworthy.
If he did it on his own time, did he even waste any public resources?
I do like the idea that a cop got visited by DCF over aggressive potty training. Maybe that will convince a few to think twice before they call in DCF on other parents.
Any use of a jail cell for anything short of violations of Life, Liberty, and Property is a waste of my resources and your resources, and “the public” does not exist to have resources, M’Lady.
*Tips fedora and unlocks the kid and calls a Junkyard Dog Lawyer.*
What this should convince everyone is that the well-being of children comes first and that no one is above the law.
So that explains it...
Goddamnit, people!
The idea of putting fear into a little kid over something that just may be physiological and not within conscious control ought to outrage anybody of good will and especially Libertarians!
And this should especially go when this fear is put into a little kid by a parent who is an agent of The State, an institution that, when unlimited, has throughout history plundered, enslaved, and murdered millions!!
It's even worse that this Ossifer Dickhead did this when throughout the nation, Cities won't do literally shit to stop the grown-ass adult homeless from shitting their dangerous biohazards in the fucking parks and streets!!!
At least these kids were in places with nearby bathrooms, where the problem could be handled without handcuffing them and putting them near hardened criminals!!!!
And how many people who say this "ain't no big thing" have shit-fits over Drag Queen Story Hour in Gummint Skoolz?
No carceral potty-training, you dumb sons-of-bitches!
Alfred Hitchcock's father asked a cop to put Alfred in jail as a scare tactic and look how he turned out.
I doubt he would use a shitty diaper as the "McGuffin" for one of his murder mysteries. And recall, his classic Psycho ruined the shower forever for untold millions for multiple generations.
Have you ever potty trained any male child? Not as easy as it sounds. My wife gave up on our boy so I was tasked with completing his training. At the time, our boy would have probsbly chosen jail over the training with his father.
^ this. My son would be playing and simply ignore the urge until he soiled himself. It was a choice. Teaching kids that choices have consequences is part of the job we signed up for.
Soiling pants when a bathroom, soap, sanitizer, clean running water, and a change of clothes are nearby is not a biohazard that warrants handcuffs and jail cells.
Your lack of offspring renders your opinion invalid.
See my reply to rbike. Nothing is above rational scrutiny by anyone willing to use their rational mind.
You're clearly irrational on this subject making your opinion invalid.
Wrong, SubTerranean! In no rational, just, free society does a child deserve handcuffs and incarceration for a shitty diaper. This officer is also engaged in malfeasance of the jail facilities and acting under color of law by pulling this stunt.
Just because I refuse to call for this officer's head over his particular potty-training strategy does not mean that I subscribe to it. Yet I also firmly believe that he was well within his rights as a parent to employ it. He did not harm the child. The only questions that need to be asked are did he break the law or waste public resources.
Let me reiterate: "Teaching kids that choices have consequences is part of the job we signed up for."
Consequences for deliberate acts can take place at home by denial of privileges, not restraint and incarceration in jails meant for hardened adult criminals.
Stop defending this low-life.
One of us is speaking from experience and has considered that no evidence has been presented that this father was not in complete control of his child at all times during these incidents, and one of us is wildly exaggerating imaginary dangers to the child.
What if he had dared make the child get out of a car and walk home 2 blocks in poopy pants? What if he had (gasp!) spanked the child?
Give it a rest, Dr. Spock.
What if he had (gasp!) spanked the child?
Ewwwww.
Oh, presumably you meant without shit-filled britches. Carry on, then.
That's Mister Spock to you.
I was a child and I have a thinking mind and a capacity for empathy. That's all the qualification that anyone needs for rational commentary on this subject.
Although I am Childfree By Choice, this does not mean I hate children and I know I would deal with a child's potty-training with much more thought, patience, and compassion than this flatfoot sperm-dropper.
I am also certain that there is not a Pediatrician worth his or her sheep-skin who would prescribe handcuffs and jail cells as tools for a potty-training regimen.
Children are not rational. If they were, you could explain the purpose of hygiene once and they would keep themselves clean.
Every non parent believes the lies you just put forth lol.
And how the Hell do know this is a lie, much less that every non-parent believes in it?
If parents can live in some solipsistic world that no one else can understand, why not the Childless and Childfree?
Despite Mikes claims yesterday about tech promoting free speech, tech continues to censor even presidential candidates.
https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/youtube-repeatedly-censors-rfk-jr-democratic-leaders-demand-reinstatement-2020
"Mike's claims" equates to unwavering adherence to whatever narrative the Democratic Party is pushing at any given movement.
Example: "We are coming for your children" is just wacky trolling by the trans community, only intended to trigger conservatives. It is UNPOSSIBLE they mean it literally.
Yeah. That was a weird take from Mike as he always cries about people reading minds or into his clear words. Yet he knows the mindset needed to always protect the left and favored left groups.
You can get all bent out of shape over some assholes’ chant; they would be high-fiving each other if they heard about your outrage.
Guess I’m really getting under your skin; but then a lot of things get under your skin. You might want to keep a watch on your blood pressure.
Youre openly defending them claiming to be able to read their minds.
This coming from the same silly bitch who mutes anyone that says a harsh word to him.
Now do all the serious people, from political leaders to teachers, who actually do feel they are on a crusade to "save" children from the cis gender patriarchy.
Such a blatant fucking hypocrite.
they would be high-fiving each other if they heard about your outrage.
More mind reading or you were in the tranny crowd.
At least now we know.
Enjoy your festering outrage and preoccupation with accumulating grievances.
Are you talking to yourself? You are the champion of nursing petty grievances.
Name one.
Lol you got him to go rev Kirkland with this one.
Kirkland is probably one of Mikey's socks.
Kirkland came over with Volokh from WAPO. Dee’s been here longer than I have.
Nope. Enjoy your delusions in addition to your outrage habit.
It’s not like it’s a crazy idea that you’d have a sock, White Knight.
Apparently the proper way to discipline children according to leftist moloch cultists like ENB is to lop off their genitalia and engage in sex acts with them.
You want to give a kid nightmares and and a lifetime of neuroses?
“Big boys don’t poop their pants. Should we take you to the doctor and make you a girl?”
That would do it.
You can tell she is childless, and probably doesn’t have anyone close to her with kids.
“Scaring and confining small children” is pretty much half the job.
“You’re in Timeout” “Go to your room”
Except she's not. That kid is going to grow up to be such an entitled, unruly mess and she's going to be clueless how it happened.
I suspect her kid is living in abject fear of the day mommy declares they/them are gender dysmorphic. SNIP SNIP.
Last year, the younger boy "was brought to the Daytona Beach Shores Public Safety Department on successive days last October and placed in jail," reports The Daytona Beach News-Journal. "On the second occasion, Oct. 6, 2022, the child was also handcuffed."
Why can't he just shoot his kid up full of drugs and prepare to cut his dick off like normal parents.
The situation has also revealed bigger issues surrounding secrecy within local law enforcement agencies.
I thought secrecy was good. Like when teachers hide transitions from parents or teachers hide lessons plans from parents.
You guys got this wrong. Schoenbrod was just too excited about Take Your Kid to Work Day.
"quirky" police tomfoolery
Littering aaaaaaaaand?
Merci beauCOUP?
https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1674158482075926528?t=PIKyTfyQhTnwAyWxFIwHfg&s=19
Current military situation in Paris (capital of France) and its surroundings.
[Thread, videos]
Summary? All age restricted, and I don’t have twitter on my phone.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1674158482075926528.html
Thats most of it
That escalated quickly.
The BBC has live reporting of it:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66049895
Let's give you a quick recap of the key turn of events of the last 24 hours or so:
- French police and protesters have clashed at a march in the Paris suburb of Nanterre where a teenage boy called Nahel was shot dead by a policeman during a traffic stop on Tuesday
- Demonstrators last night threw projectiles during riots and police responded with tear gas
- Thousands of people joined a march today to demand justice for Nahel - including his mother
- Authorities are deploying 40,000 police in anticipation of further unrest
- Trams and buses will stop services early in some areas
- The policeman who shot Nahel has been remanded in custody on suspicion of homicide and remains under house arrest at this time
Thanks. Very interesting.
Also of note, ITL’s link calls the dead teenager Nahel, but when I googled and clicked on abc news they’re spelling it Nael.
From the BBC link:
"I don't blame the police," Mounia says, but she adds that the officer "didn't have to kill my son".
"He saw the face of an Arab, of a little kid, he wanted to take his life," Mounia says.
The photo the BBC has of the shirt Nahel's mother is wearing also spells it, "Nahel", not "Nael". Error by ABC?
Or maybe intentional misleading because US media lies all the time when minorities are involved. Wouldn’t want any Islamaphobia.
The ABC article didn’t mention he was an Arab from North Africa either.
A Florida police officer was reportedly under investigation after jailing his 3-year-old son over potty-training trouble.
The worst part about Florida is, like so many lesser states, its less-than-professional law enforcement element.
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
No.
You beat me to it.
The student had argued that "sexual predators" were drawn to Snapchat "by the privacy assurances granted by the disappearing messages feature of the application."
facepalm. the messages do not disappear. Every single on of them is saved forever on the SnapChat servers.
And available for purchase. See the ad in the back of Spy Agency Weekly.
Next to the X-ray googles?
This is actually not true. Source: the local detective investigating a case involving my underaged daughter and a pedo. Search warrant completed on suspects snap account, but snap only holds data for 24 hours
trust me that data is not gone.
i absolutely hope so and this pedo can get what he deserves
If a pedo is involved with your underage daughter he should get what he deserves regardless.
New Hampshire embraces universal licensing reciprocity.
that's a cute first step but the Live Free or Die state shouldn't require any licensing for anything in the first place.
Meanwhile, the rest of the country is still convinced of the causal link expressed as Live Free and Die!
Surgeons?
Yeah, I'm not so sure I'd want just anyone to be a surgeon, or even engineer for that matter. The cost for the license to those folks is a pittance when compared to what they earn. It's not exactly a barrier, but more of a check to make sure they've actually done the training and have the requisite experience. (I should know from personal experience there.)
As if degrees are proof of knowledge. took my clients to meet the engineer. the idiot said he wasn't that good at math. what the hell dude you are an engineer and never tell the client such a thing even in jest. I quit using the firm when they repeatedly messed up work in scary ways
Not all are competent (I wonder how they got past two 8-hour exams, sometimes), but licensure does have some recourse for those affected by the incompetent. Report him to the state board for the messed up work. They will investigate and censure him.
Yeah, I’m not so sure I’d want just anyone to be a surgeon, or even engineer for that matter.
There's plenty of ways for you as a consumer to determine the competence of your surgeon without the state licensing them for you.
This is supposed to be a libertarian board for god's sake, it's not that hard.
In my opinion, there's a big difference between cutting or braiding hair and designing a bridge or surgery. One doesn't need assurance for the public; the other does. Wyoming was the first state to license engineers (1907) after lawyers and notaries (with no engineering background or education) were making crappy submissions for irrigation. In a dry state, like Wyoming, well-designed irrigation systems are a necessity.
It took the collapse of the St. Francis Dam (1928) for California to start licensing engineers. That collapse killed 450 people in suburban LA.
And infrastructure is perfectly safe now, unlike them. Problem solved and without creating a massively corrupt bureaucracy!
There can be organizations that aren’t controlled by government that can accredit engineers and surgeons.
There are. Accreditation is different than licensing. Licensing protects the public from those who passed their accreditation and then commit malpractice or become addicts, swindlers, etc.
It also ensures that they take Continuing Ed to keep up with new tech and techniques
The article even mentions that a board will determine whether you even get reciprocity or not lol. The rhetoric of freedom implementing authoritarianism. Down with licensing!
Theory:
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2023/06/29/desantis-refuses-to-lose-n2625026
DeSantis sees that the people who like Trump – and most DeSantis supporters like Trump too – cannot be brow-beaten into supporting a different candidate. They must come to their conclusion on their own – they must decide that while Trump is the victim of the most outrageous government/media conspiracy in American history, he is also the GOP candidate most likely to lose in the general simply because about 53% of Americans irrationally and unreasonably hate him – and worse, those are concentrated in must-win states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona.
Reality:
https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1674085092069634051?t=QiKwkrx2RHJgOZ2Bsy05Jw&s=19
Trump/MAGA has attracted the worst people to their cause.
They don’t even really bother with policy or results. They are entirely dedicated to and driven by a desire for degradation and personal destruction. That’s what excites them.
There are no ‘two sides’ to this.
https://twitter.com/SKMorefield/status/1673750448400990209?t=-IVQWBYcS2yxT-7BeUc__A&s=19
If Trump does pull off the GOP nomination and goes on to inevitably lose massively in the general, will we get an apology from any of the MAGA influencers who have spent this entire election cycle grifting and openly lying to voters for their own personal gain?
https://twitter.com/DeSantisPatriot/status/1672403905945141250?t=znEM0MvsrOaQ9jjoL-t3DQ&s=19
At some point, Trump is going to realize that he is going to need a presidential pardon for the crimes he committed in the federal documents case. For no other reason than that, I think he will endorse DeSantis. Legally, Trump is in absolute deep sh*t right now.
https://twitter.com/AngryRisbell72/status/1672095474017247233?t=nHrrpdUnNOqFAn8TEoL65g&s=19
This is absolutely disgusting. This is MAGA folks, this is Team Trump.
[Meme]
https://twitter.com/Emmyfromcbus/status/1673844822543683587?t=D9m1OtcZuk2F-dBlKUNdmg&s=19
When I hear Trump call Ron DeSantis “Ron DeSanctimonious” it makes my blood boil. What an idiotic, childish thing to do. It’s like “Hey gang! Let’s nickname my enemies!”
Then his toadies can come up with a list of stupid nicknames for say.. Chris Christie, Mike Pence, you know the drill. Christie’s an easy mark, of course, so is Pence, Nikki Haley….regarding stupid nicknames.
I’ve read articles from many publications saying Trump would make mincemeat out of DeSantis in a debate. The reasons? Trump is great “off the cuff” and DeSantis isn’t. How so? By wisecracking and calling people names? Trump is a “presence” and taller and more imposing than DeSantis. Are you kidding me? It’s not like DeSantis is going to be debating an enormous William F. Buckley, Jr. DeSantis is so smart, much smarter than Trump, and he carries loads of relevant information in his head, and can bring it up so quickly when he has to. Trump has become a blustering, puffy old man who has spent so much time fighting indictments, all he does is regurgitate the same things he said in 2015.
WHY WAS THAT WALL NOT BUILT? So many broken promises.
And lastly, and I think most importantly, if he wins the nomination, HE’LL LOSE THE ELECTION.
Joe Biden could be caught red handed teetering away on his bike after robbing a bank and he’d still win. Trump’s EGO doesn’t care. If he loses, he does, and he seems to have nooooo problem taking America down with him, that two time loser. That, to me, says so much.
https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1674080775728185345?t=9OBSwEksrd9QflYxMRxl1Q&s=19
This is disgusting.
[Screenshot]
https://twitter.com/KaladinFree/status/1673756637688123393?t=OrSZFiUuo1oHn4op-1xAuw&s=19
We are witnessing the Trump cult go through the 7 stages of grief because their orange god’s own words are sending him to prison.
Thoughts and prayers.
If there’s anything I can do…
https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1674188817853448194?t=N6TD8E_M6N21Gxucd6cK3g&s=19
The Trump campaign will eventually collapse.
They are unable to stay focused and their actions are only making even dedicated Trump supporters think "WTF".
6 more months of this will leave MAGA isolated and broken.
As a DeSantis supporter, I am glad.
Nardz just may have nailed it re Trump. I had a never-Trumper independent tell me yesterday that he believed, perhaps tongue in cheek, "Biden could turn around at a press conference, grab Harris by her tits and tell her 'give me a blow job, you nigger bitch' and still win the election against Trump." There are, what, five or six states really in play in national elections, so I wonder what Trump is polling in them? It hardly matters what the national poll says because so many states are lopsided to one party or the other.
"...and still win the election against Trump.”
Seems about what we heard regarding HRC and Trump in '16, no?
Creech, it doesn't matter how he's polling just how he's doing among big city poll workers and the state AGs since they're the only ones that matter.
Never Trumpers are emotionally corrupt sheep, but it doesn't matter what the actual votes are.
"Fortified" elections have consequences.
DeSantis supporters are already running narrative cover so they can more easily put on a sham election again.
DeSantis funders are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to destroy populism, Trump, and DeSantis' future in one swoop.
That could be but if Rove or Paul Ryan and company are on team DeSantis that's a no go.
The woke have come for Hemingway.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/publisher-slaps-trigger-warning-label-on-ernest-hemingway-works
Can't believe it took this long.
Well there is a passage where they refer to the jewish character as a kike, and another where they call a black man a nigger, like "a wonderful nigger" who fought a boxing match.
So, obviously the book is violence.
Then, again, it is also about extremely flawed or broken people who don't fit in regardless of privilege, who have suffered loss, and who aren't really good and virtuous.
And it was written less than a decade after a war with 40 million casualties (Europe's population was less than 500 million before WWI for scale) when national cultures were less homogenized and, frankly, people were more racist in general.
But, you know, all those authors should have know the sensibilities of a politically volatile and repressive academic culture 100 years in the future when they were creating their "art" and catered to it. So fuck 'em for writing about the time they lived in.
For whom the sensitivity trigger tolls.
Well, Hemingway was an unapologetic white male who never questioned his gender.
You say this, but Jake was castrated in the war.
That character's entire arc was about how to live life when you're not really a man. Likewise, Brett was so damaged by what she saw as a nurse she chose never to have children, never to have traditional relationships. Their very struggle was their non-traditional circumstance.
They just weren't judgy fucking assholes about it like today's progressives.
A city clerk told the paper the records had been sealed by a judge; meanwhile, a court administrator said the judge had not sealed the records.
In my limited experience dealing with government gatekeepers of information, they really get off on lying and abusing their power.
Are you talking about your custody battle? One of the domestic disturbance calls? Public intoxication cases? Divorce?
Define “limited”?
Families spend less on food today than any point in the past
HAPERINFLATION!
Pluggo doesn’t know what inflation is.
i wonder if he can explain how he'd feel if he didnt have breakfast this morning.
When asked whether Biden or Trump has done "a better job handling the economy," 54 percent said Trump and just 36 percent said Biden. - ENB summarizing voter dissatisfaction with the Biden economy ....... or just trying to get Buttplug to stop scribbling creepy love letters to her
Fatass Donnie four year GDP growth average 1.6% Fatass Donnie four year jobs added negative 4 million
RIGHT DIRECTION!
#DonnieWorstEconomySinceHoover
Shrike pretends covid never happened to prop up Biden.
People who aren't hyperpartisan Democrats can recognize two things.
1. The economy from 2017 to 2019 wasn't as bad as Dem cheerleaders like you and Krugman pretended it was.
2. The economy of 2020 was always going to be terrible because of the pandemic and lockdowns.
You use one abysmal pandemic year to drag down a 4-year period, then spend 2.5 years making excuse after excuse for Biden: Um, helloooooooooooo? There was a pandemic! That's not Biden's fault! Everything you dislike about the economy is beyond his control!
PS - Wall Street ends 2022 with biggest annual drop since 2008
The economy from 2017 to 2019 wasn’t as bad as Dem cheerleaders like you and Krugman pretended it was.
It was pretty good in fact.
But it was the continuation of the Obama economy with the same rate of job growth and GDP.
Lol.
Your argument is literally trump caused covid.
turd lies in such obvious ways as to be amusing. turd lies; it's what turd does.
Do you think turd is paid by the Reason Foundation or by some NGO-DNC PPP?
He’s a Soros guy.
Oh, that doesn’t really answer the question these days.
But now he can crow and applaud Biden if the market rises from that low.
And nothing unusual happened at all at the end of his term.
Yeah, Covid hit hard.
But it was nothing like the Financial Collapse of 2008 which got very little fiscal stimulus compared to the largesse piled on in 2020.
Obama signed FY09.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Also, there are now, like, fifteen flavors of Pop Tarts.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Snapchat isn't responsible for a teacher sending sexually explicit images to a student...
WELL THEN I GUESS NOBODY IS.
Well you can’t blame the teacher, did you see what that kid was wearing?
Then who am I supposed to sue?
The service auto deletes pictures?
SPB hardest hit.
New Hampshire embraces universal licensing reciprocity.
People are going to be dying from wrongly braided hair in NH. Frankly it's going to be worse than COVID.
More lockdowns are imperative
Just two weeks to flatten employment.
Never waste the chance to create a crisis.
Two weeks to flatten the perm.
Join Reason's Nick Gillespie on YouTube and Facebook at 1 p.m. today for a discussion with Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I can't listen to that voice any longer. I mean, what even is Gillespie's accent???
Hipster Kermit the Frog.
I mean, what even is Gillespie’s accent???
I'm thinking "Early American Aging Theatre Queen".
https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1674398126621315075?t=6qDcmiXyb0Ob_wI2f0a9yQ&s=19
Again. They took out Gaddafi in order to make this happen. Not even a tin foil hat required to reach that conclusion.
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The bonus bikini shots made that worth my time.
Nice ass on black bikini babe. 🙂
Right?
Should be included in all news footage
Wasn't that the production style for Russian TV news?
Parody is obsolete, Exhibit #2,943
Probably in the next couple days, millions of Americans are going to learn that six Republicans, who’ve never been elected to anything, just took $10,000 away from them. Good luck with that in the next election, Republican Party.
Ian Milhouse is such a clown.
But his mom says he cool.
His mom hates him and wishes she'd gotten an abortion
"I think that voters tend to notice when they are $10,000 poorer overnight. And they are also highly motivated to learn who is to blame."
This guy is an idiot. I wasn't aware that not giving free money was the same as taking it away. Who am I supposed to mail my 10k to?
Why would they notice? They took out huge amounts of student loans without noticing the debt they racked up, seems logical to conclude they won't notice when that value changes or doesn't change.
The state's law legalizing recreational marijuana use takes effect July 1, making Maryland the 20th state to legalize weed.
Apparently the Land of Mary thinks that it already has enough reasons to interact with the tax cattle in its back pocket that it doesn't need the drug dog signaling?
Um excuse me the state now identifies as mark
Protestant slander!
Don't worry our great leaders are still getting their cut. For the children of course.
I didn't bother fact-checking, but a friend of mine said yesterday that purchasers without a marijuana card will pay a premium at dispensaries. I also don't know, if true, whether it's a Montgomery County policy or statewide. The local dispensaries have been slobbering like Pavlonian dogs about legalization on Saturday, but l expect both supply to outpace demand pretty rapidly, and that the anticipated tax revenue will fall well short of expectations.
My guy is still cheaper, delivers to my house, and sometimes brings Ben's Chili Bowl half smokes along.
A federal court has paused enforcement of a Tennessee law banning gender transition treatments for minors.
Like puberty blockers, we are pretending this is reversible.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/28/1184782128/cop-city-atlanta-domestic-terrorism
Protestors in Atlanta are protesting the construction of a new police training facility.
They were arrested and put in jail on charges of 'domestic terrorism'.
See what happens when the police aren’t properly trained?
Cop City – militarization of local police.
This is where our MAGA “libertarians” get all lovey-dovey with harsh police tactics.
#MAGAforNoKnockWarrants
Did cop city get medals like the Capitol officer who heroically shot an unarmed woman and is your (jeff, mike, and sarc uncluded) leftist hero?
I bet you got all dewy and moist when Donnie bragged about his love of Civil Asset Theft by cops.
The civil asset that occurs in all blue controlled states?
Or how it doubled under Obama?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/08/civil-asset-forfeitures-more-than-double-under-obama/
Well, turd does lie. It's what turd does.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Hmm, no issues with the FBI labeling the parents of school children domestic terrorists in spite of absolutely zero violence out of them, eh?
the FBI labeling the parents of school children domestic terrorists
this never happened
It actually did.
Yep, the letter from the NSBA was originally written by someone in the Biden Administraiton.
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/are-parents-being-tagged-domestic-terrorists-the-fbi-justice
Not content to make their case in the court of public opinion, the National School Boards Association took things to an entirely new and completely inappropriate level.
In a Sept. 29 letter to President Joe Biden, the president and the interim executive director and chief executive officer of the National School Boards Association informed the president that “America’s public schools and its education leaders are under an immediate threat.”
Citing a few examples of disturbances at school board meetings by individuals who were upset about mask mandates and critical race theory curricula—all of which were, presumably, ably handled by state and local authorities or by the school boards themselves—and stating that such incidents were “impacting the delivery of educational services to students and families,” the letter implored Biden to deploy the Justice Department, the FBI (including its national Security Branch and Counterterrorism Division), the Department of Homeland Security, and the U.S. Secret Service (including its National Threat Assessment Center) to combat this supposed scourge.
The letter stated, without providing support, that “extremist hate organizations” were showing up at school board meetings, and that these protests should be characterized as “equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes.”
The letter:
https://www.mdjonline.com/nsba-letter-to-federal-govt/pdf_4b147a5a-26b2-11ec-8e78-8b9b2977ef49.html
And the Biden Admin wrote the letter:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/nsba-white-house-domestic-terrorists-letter
In the emails, then-NSBA chief Chip Slaven informed White House official Mary Wall on Sept. 21, 2021, that the organization planned to send the letter — a full week before it was released. Wall forwarded the email to a number of Department of Education and White House staff.
"As I indicated last week, NSBA is also planning to send the President a letter requesting federal assistance to help school board members and public schools manage these threats," Slaven wrote in the email to Wall. "We hope to have that letter ready to go by Thursday."
No it didn't.
The NSBA letter, regardless of who wrote it, stated an OPINION that the parents should be treated like domestic terrorists.
The FBI never acted upon that opinion and never labeled anyone as a domestic terrorist based on merely protesting a school board meeting.
If I'm wrong, then show me the name of one person whom the FBI supposedly labeled as a "domestic terrorist" on this basis.
No it didn’t.
Yeah, it did.
The NSBA letter, regardless of who wrote it, stated an OPINION that the parents should be treated like domestic terrorists.
Since the FBI wrote it, you're conceding the fact here.
The FBI never acted upon that opinion and never labeled anyone as a domestic terrorist based on merely protesting a school board meeting.
If I’m wrong, then show me the name of one person whom the FBI supposedly labeled as a “domestic terrorist” on this basis.
Now chemtard is trying to split hairs and appealing to pedantry because he knows that ITL's links caught him dead to rights.
Since the FBI wrote it, you’re conceding the fact here.
The FBI didn't write the letter. The NSBA wrote the letter, admittedly in coordination with the White House and the Department of Education. Not the FBI.
But if I'm wrong, then who did the FBI label as a "domestic terrorist" on this basis? Just give me one name and I'll be disproved.
More hair-splitting from chemtard. "It doesn't matter that it labeled protesting parents as 'domestic terrorists,' because individuals weren't named!"
The specific claim was that the *FBI* was labeling parents as domestic terrorists. They didn't do that.
EVEN IN THAT LETTER, which the FBI didn't write, it didn't label all parent protestors as domestic terrorists. It said, specifically:
Thus, SOME types of protest COULD BE THE EQUIVALENT of domestic terrorism. It was expressing an opinion, not a determination of law or fact.
You are just wrong, but you don't care because the goal here is to push a narrative of "Biden Weaponizing the FBI Against Ordinary People", and in this case the truth undermines your narrative.
This is just a variation of the "they were just having meetings!" talking point chemtard was pushing.
Except it did. House Judiciary has the evidence of it.
Jim Jordan's "explosive memo" had three instances of the FBI interviewing people who were involved in some way with school board protests.
In none of these was anyone labeled, let alone prosecuted, as a "domestic terrorist".
This is an example of right-wing media lying to you to push a narrative.
Jim Jordan’s “explosive memo” had three instances of the FBI interviewing people who were involved in some way with school board protests.
Yo! Chemjeff Radical Fucktard! The FBI has no jurisdiction to interview people involved in local school board protests. Not unless they are investigating a potential offense over which they would have jurisdiction. What do think that potential offense was? Who made the request to the FBI?
This is an example of
right-wing mediaa two-bit leftist lying to you to push a narrative.But that is a different issue entirely, whether the FBI should have gotten involved at all.
I agree, the FBI should not have been involved, it is a local law enforcement matter (if anything). But when the FBI *did* get involved, they didn't label anyone as a 'domestic terrorist'.
Again, if I am wrong, just give me the name of one single solitary person whom the FBI labeled as a 'domestic terrorist' solely for attending a school board meeting. Just one and I'll be totally disproved.
chemjeff radical individualist, what pretext did the FBI use to interview the parents?
Here is a hint: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate
I was Rofling at this point, nice work you guys.
I'm tired of doing your homework for you.
Why don't you look it up yourself, and show me where the FBI labeled anyone as a domestic terrorist based on the premise of protesting at a school board meeting.
You were banned for posting links to child pornography.
I notice their complete lack of silence when it comes to claims of 'domestic terrorism' against people that aren't in their tribe (protestors of 'Cop City'), and claims of 'domestic terrorism' against people that are in their tribe (Jan. 6 rioters).
NEITHER ONE should be considered 'domestic terrorists' because that term is needlessly inflammatory and dangerous for labeling citizens as terrorists for possibly illegal but not terroristic behavior simply because they challenge established authority.
But with either team, it is principals over principles. I'm sure the people who are upset over these Cop City protestors being labeled as 'domestic terrorists' are happy to see the Jan. 6 rioters labeled as such; and as we see here, the people who are upset at the Jan. 6 rioters being labeled as 'domestic terrorists' are at least, if not supportive of it, do absolutely nothing to oppose it.
Don't you always claim that just because you do not condemn something does not equate to approval?
So, do you approve of these claims of domestic terrorism against the Cop City protestors?
If they are violent, then yes. If they are not, then no.
So the Jan. 6 rioters who committed acts of violence are domestic terrorists based on your standard. Right?
Sure.
Shame well over 1000 who were not are still in jail, though. Those people are called political prisoners.
Biden likes China a lot, as we have learned.
Is trespassing an act of violence?
No. That's an asinine question.
Worlds worst dad?
How about Joe Biden for molesting his children?
Or hunter for for saying his daughter can't use the Biden name, and taking a private jet to claim he has financial hardships and shouldn't pay child support
Fuck off enb
The Bidens have clearly done no wrong. Otherwise, i would expect a smart and honest True Libertarian (tm) journalist like ENB to have mentioned it at some point.
hi
Teachers unions and Covid school closures.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_f0a52420-15e3-11ee-841e-175cb4bba039.html
The U.S. House Committee tasked with reviewing the federal pandemic response is ramping up its investigation into what influence teachers unions had over federal rules that kept schools closed.
Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic Chairman Brad Wenstrup, R-Ohio, sent a letter to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky demanding all records and communications between her and American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten.
“Teachers’ unions, including AFT, donated more than $43 million to liberal groups and candidates during the 2020 election cycle,” the GOP report said. “The two largest unions – which both endorsed then-candidate Biden for President – have approximately 4.7 million members. [CDC scientist] Dr. [Henry] Walke’s testimony to the Select Subcommittee shows the Biden Administration rewarded their support with unprecedented access to the policymaking process for guidance on re-opening schools.”
You claimed that dogs and cats and horses have the same amount of free will as human beings. You shouldn't be believed about anything.
https://reason.com/2023/06/28/supreme-court-refuses-to-expand-the-true-threats-exception-for-free-speech/?comments=true#comment-10130301
Dumbass, where did we get our free will from? Where's the "magic moment" humans got it and other animals didn't?
Fuck off, Inceljeff Retarded Pederast.
Fine, then let's consider your insane premise.
If dogs have free will, then they are morally responsible for their choices, right? After all, if a dog harms another dog, it was not out of instinct, but out of a free choice to do harm. So dogs should be punished for their choices, right? And not just if dogs harm other dogs. That would be true for whenever dogs violate the NAP. Right?
Furthermore, if dogs have just as much free will, then how it is moral to own dogs? Isn't that a type of slavery? Human beings are owning sentient beings with the moral capacity of choosing right and wrong. How can this be permissible?
You're really human beings with animals to try and make your dumbass point?
no no, continue to let your hatred towards me cloud any sense of logical reasoning that you may possess
you really do have Chemjeff Derangement Syndrome don't you
You really are trying to contend with Shrike for the dumbest commenter here, aren't you?
It's not like you don't deserve it, given your own special pleading, unwarranted self-regard, and persistent symping for the left.
The only one here with Chemjeff Derangement Syndrome is you.
Free will does not imply one has human morals. One could also change your screed as such:
If Flatlanders have free will, then they are morally responsible for their choices, right? After all, if a Flatlander harms another Flatlander, it was not out of instinct, but out of a free choice to do harm. So Flatlanders should be punished for their choices, right? And not just if Flatlanders harm other Flatlanders. That would be true for whenever Flatlanders violate the NAP. Right?
So now how does it sound, Jeffy?
Humans have justified owning other humans for millennia, with the West starting to say it was wrong long before anyone else was on board. In fact, other cultures still believe in doing so – let’s look at the Middle East where the Saudis only stopped enslaving people in 1962, in theory.
There are also those who say that we shouldn’t own other animals. Ownership does not change whether they have free will or not.
Also, if you claim they lack free will, then do humans have free will? We act on instinct a hell of a lot. A lot more than we like to admit in our arrogance.
Free will means that individuals have the capacity to make free choices unimpeded. So the presumption is that if we observe a person make a choice, it is a choice that the person made freely, unless there was some provable coercion involved.
That is why it is justifiable to punish individuals who violate the NAP. Because that person freely and deliberately chose to make a choice that violates this moral principle. It wasn't an accident, it wasn't coercion, it wasn't some biological compulsion like instinct. The punishment is just because the person must be punished for the CHOICE to violate the NAP.
So when dogs trespass on people's lawns, that is, according to you, a CHOICE to trespass and the dog should be punished for trespass. No?
So when dogs trespass on people’s lawns, that is, according to you, a CHOICE to trespass and the dog should be punished for trespass. No?
You are an idiot. You can't provide an animal with constructive notice of a private property restriction. You can put up a fence if you don't want dogs on your grass.
As to free will, if a dog didn't have it, it wouldn't be trainable. If you mace a dog a few times, I guarantee it won't choose to trespass on your lawn ever again.
The specific claim here is that dogs (and cats, and horses) have the SAME AMOUNT of free will as human beings. I agree that dogs, and all animals, do have some capacity to make decisions. But not at the same level as human beings.
LOL! That is your specific claim. Nobody else said that.
ITL from yesterday:
https://reason.com/2023/06/28/supreme-court-refuses-to-expand-the-true-threats-exception-for-free-speech/?comments=true#comment-10130378
You’ve never been around other animals much, have you? They have as much free will as we do.
Is he right?
Is he right?
You don't present as autistic, but here you are playing at, "I am unable to infer meaning from pointed statements." You pulled this same rhetorical stunt yesterday and I will quote the answer I posted yesterday because it was withering.
Child version - Yes. He is right. There is no hierarchy of free will. Animals make associations. Animals rank preferences. Animals make choices. Given adequate stimulus to establish the parameters, animals follow rules.
And just to be clear how fucked up your argument is, you are proposing that free will diminishes as reasoning capacity falls. Maybe you should read Of Mice and Men.
If dogs and cats and horses have the SAME AMOUNT of free will as human beings, then a human being owning a dog or cat or horse is morally equivalent to chattel slavery.
Did you even read Dred Scot? They don't have standing to object.
There are also those who say that we shouldn’t own other animals. Ownership does not change whether they have free will or not.
Is it moral or just for a human being to own as property a moral sentient being who has the same amount of free will as a human being?
Congratulations, ITL, you have just morally justified slavery.
You really are a dumbass who only argues against me because I'm outside of your tribe, without any thought or intelligence whatsoever.
Congratulations, ITL, you have just morally justified slavery.
Again, you forgot to show your work.
You really are a retard, aren't you, Inceljeff Retarded Pederast? That's not what I said, nor what I justified.
I've met stupid in my time, but Inceljeff, you, you're a special kind of stupid. You get handed links and citations, even discussion, and yet you maintain your own obstinate ways and refuse to listen to anyone here except those who white knight you.
You mean dogs in trunks?
https://tinyurl.com/mr433fha
If dogs have free will, then they are morally responsible for their choices, right?
You seem to have left out a few steps in showing your work for this part. Why is moral responsibility a prerequisite of free will? A man alone in the wilderness has no moral responsibility, yet still has free will.
It's bizarre that we got to this point and topic after I merely mentioned to him that animals other than humans seem to have no trouble at all telling male from female and have no desire to be the other.
Feral dogs, cats, and horses do not really follow rules terribly well.
Just sayin'...
And you claimed that lewd sexual contact with minors isn’t assault, Pedo Jeffy.
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
I didn't think he would ever top the sophist gymnastics that culminated in Bears in Trunks. This is definitely a contender.
The funny thing is, I posted an article about the House investigating the link between teachers' unions and the extended Covid shutdowns of schools. It had nothing to do with the previous day's topic until Inceljeffy decided to go on the attack. I must've really pissed him off somehow.
He may often mistakenly claim an insult or dismissal of one of his absurd arguments as an ad hominem attack on himself, but he certainly knows how to provide a shining example of the ad hominem fallacy.
From what we read on Tuesday, jeffy would dominate in today's high school debates.
Public employees should give up the right to vote.
Filter has a dispatch from the latest Psychedelic Science conference.
You had to be up to date on your psychedelic boosters to attend in person.
Fireworks freedom and the nanny state.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-1-of-3-states-banning-you-from-using-fireworks/
Independence Day is a time to celebrate sacrifices by those who died to secure freedoms we enjoy today. It calls for backyard barbecues and a booming night sky.
But not in Illinoisans’ backyards. It is one of three states banning some or all fireworks. The other 47 states, or nearly 94% of country, celebrate freedom with the flair of a flare.
State Sen. Chapin Rose, R-Mahomet, has tried to repeal the ban on home-use fireworks for years because many Illinoisans simply buy them in another state every year.
“I think it's just ridiculous that every state around us is making money off of Illinois citizens and here we are once again giving up money that could better be earned and spent here in Illinois,” Rose said in 2022.
As we near Chicago well know, the good stuff is over in Indiana.
Quit your bitchin and vote with your feet.
I know, right? I was told just the other day that if I don't like the voting rules in my particular precinct, that I should just move. Nothing about whether those particular voting rules are just or constitutional.
So if you don't like fireworks restrictions - just move!
He's in Illinois. That state's got some of the shittiest laws and most corrupt governments in the country. Only California and New York could compete for being worse. I don't know why anyone would live there by choice.
Illinois residents have no right to complain about fireworks laws. As I was told when it comes to voting rights, it is totally okay for a state to violate people's rights as long as those people are free to move to another state. Right?
Except for booze on Sundays. That was always in Illinois
Yep. Get your booze in Illinois and your fireworks in Indiana. It's a symbiotic relationship.
I can buy/grow dope, but am not to be trusted with firecrackers. Fucking retarded State of Maryland.
A reminder that qualified immunity doesn't only protect bad cops...
That's why our leaders hold onto it so tightly.
Yet another friendly Chicago group of kids.
https://cwbchicago.com/2023/06/top-down-command-failure-or-close-working-relationship-chicago.html
City officials circled the wagons Tuesday after hundreds of people descended on Lakeview the night before, closing Belmont Avenue for hours after the CTA rejected Chicago police requests to have trains bypass the nearby L station until the situation was under control.
Freshman Ald. Bennet Lawson (44th) called the takeover, which lasted until 3 a.m. Tuesday, “absolutely unacceptable.”
Dominic Rescigno, who performed at the Annoyance Theatre, 851 West Belmont, on Monday evening, is looking at a $15,000 auto repair bill.
“I could see that people were jumping on cars. I couldn’t see my car, but I knew,” he told NBC Chicago. “This morning, we walked down at 6:30 a.m., and it was totally destroyed.”
He says he and his partner are on the hook for repair bills because their insurance company said, “‘you don’t have the package that covers mob insurance,’ … I thought (it was a joke). I didn’t realize I needed to check the ‘mob’ box.”
Just a bunch of yutes having some fun, no big deal!
Federally-protected ethnic folk dance speech.
Dominic Rescigno, who performed at the Annoyance Theatre, 851 West Belmont, on Monday evening, is looking at a $15,000 auto repair bill.
Maybe he can incorporate that into his performance.
More important than you.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/28/liberals-turn-on-joe-biden-over-a-traffic-jam/
For every day and every scandal of his presidency, President Biden could count on unflinching, irrevocable support from the Washington Post and its devoted readers.
That ended Tuesday.
Traffic on one of America’s busiest roads in the Washington area screeched to a halt for hours during the evening rush hour.
Biden was heading out to hit up rich Democrats for hefty campaign contributions at a fundraiser in ritzy Chevy Chase, Md., and Team Biden shut down the Beltway so Biden’s motorcade could travel unseen and unimpeded by any peasants.
The shutdown caused more than five miles of backups and sowed disruptions for hours after it ended.
Local radio host Chris Plante labeled the affair Biden’s Bridgegate.
“Liz Martin” railed: “This was terrible timing, right at rush hour?…. The lack of consideration for us ‘normal people’ is infuriating.”
“Uncle Moe” raged: “4 hours of my life I can’t get back. This has single-handedly cost my capital D Democrat vote for you Sleepy Uncle Joe. . . . If Der Oranj Furor wins by one vote, you know what cost you the election.”
“bethesdanonpartisan” scoffed: “Why not take the 7-mile most direct route? Because he thinks he’s a king.”
“4realistDC” offered a taxpayer- and commuter-friendly alternative: “Put Joe on the Metro. Then he can hitch a ride with Mayor Pete for the last mile.”
Perhaps even better advice from Wilt69: “He likes to ride his bike so let Joe pedal away on backroads.”
“A Soldier’s Wife” groused that Biden “is so out of touch with us ‘Unwashed’ that he didn’t even know what Rush Hour is let alone when it is.”
Secret Service spokeswoman Justine Whelan declared that the agency “does not specifically discuss the means and methods used to conduct protective operations in order to maintain operational security; however, the agency does work diligently with our state and local partners to make every effort possible to anticipate and minimize potentially adverse impacts to the public and local communities during a protective movement.”
As far as I'm concerned, the President should sit in regular traffic with everybody else.
Yeah, presidential motorcades are the risk you pay for living near the whitehouse. That's why the presidential helicopter is such a good thing. Makes it easy to get him around without fucking up everyone else's day.
I was once held up by a Bush the First motorcade near the U of Chicago. Didn't know what is was at first , cops drove up and stopped traffic then a stream of limos drove by, one had a hand waving in the window. WTF! Just dump these assholes in a bullet proof box and truck them to their destination.
This is why I think the president should be forbidden from going anywhere. He can go by helicopter between the Whitehouse and Camp David and whatever other place is already secure. The security required for visits to anywhere else is a totally unreasonable burden to put on the people who actually live and work there. He certainly shouldn't be getting taxpayer funded motorcade and security for a fucking fundraiser.
Sob story.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/28/allegations-against-biden-and-his-family-are-too-credible-to-wipe-away-with-fathers-love-sob-story/
Ana Navarro whipped out the tiny violins on ABC’s “The View” this week, declaring that the Biden corruption scandal “is a story of a father’s love, and Joe Biden has never and will never give up on his son Hunter . . .
The New York Times’ Nick Kristof echoed the sentiment in a cringeworthy piece titled “The Real Lesson From the Hunter Biden Saga: It isn’t about presidential corruption but a determined parent battling his son’s addiction with unconditional love.”
But the allegations against the president and his family are too credible to be wiped away by a secondhand sob story.
The optics of his son and Joe’s brother Jim Biden — who still is under federal investigation — at the White House in bow ties for a state dinner last week was so in-your-face that even the Times raised an eyebrow.
It was just two days after Hunter’s sweetheart plea deal, and Attorney General Merrick Garland was preposterously in attendance.
But the questions keep coming, nonetheless.
“President Biden, how involved were you in your son’s Chinese shakedown text message?” he was asked as he emerged from the White House Wednesday morning.
The question from Post journalist Steven Nelson was about a WhatsApp message, subpoenaed by the FBI from Hunter’s iCloud, that IRS whistleblower Gary Shapley had given to the House Ways and Means Committee as part of his damning testimony about DOJ interference in the five-year tax investigation into Hunter.
Shapley, the IRS agent in charge of the criminal investigation of Hunter in Delaware, told CBS Tuesday evening that DOJ obstruction served to protect Joe from exposure.
For example, in January 2020, the FBI was offered bank-account details and other evidence of alleged bribery related to the Biden family from a woman in Ukraine who had worked for the corrupt energy company Burisma that paid Hunter $1 million a year to sit on its board.
She is the widow of the former business partner of Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky.
It's not drug addiction, and it's not dick pics.
It's the corruption, stupid.
"...the Biden corruption scandal “is a story of a father’s love, and Joe Biden has never and will never give up on his son Hunter . . ."
I wouldn't either! That sumbitch has been worth millions to dear, ol' dad!
And it's not unconditional love, it's just enablement.
A real father would have told his son, "Sorry, you need to face the consequences for your actions," instead of constantly bailing that son out and providing sweetheart board appointments with foreign companies in exchange for a kickback.
And even if it is unconditional love, so what? It's not an excuse for corruption.
The main problem is that leftists redefined "unconditional love" to mean "Let us do whatever we want without criticizing us or holding us accountable for anything," as opposed to, "You need to learn and be accountable for your mistakes, but that doesn't mean I don't love you any less for them." They've defined "kindness" in the same solipsistic manner.
Yeah, giving people what they want is very often not a good thing if you care for their welbeing.
He also unconditionally loved Ashly in the shower too
What are you even talking about?
— Reason
https://twitter.com/CheburekiMan/status/1674249589795459073?t=xfwiSWyArHb1g09e39jEkA&s=19
The banjo kid from the movie Deliverance got old.
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SCOTUS: No race to be used for college admissions.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/color-blind-supreme-court-bars-consideration-race-college-admissions
The Supreme Court has ruled that it is unconstitutional to consider race in university admissions.
In Thursday's 6-3 decision (along ideological lines), the justices rejected arguments by Harvard College and the University of North Carolina that their admissions programs are warranted to ensure campus diversity.
The high court majority effectively overturned a 2003 decision, known as Grutter v. Bollinger, that had reaffirmed the right of universities to consider race as one of many admissions factors.
“Eliminating racial discrimination means eliminating all of it,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the majority opinion.
LOL
“In the Supreme Court’s new world order, achieving a racially diverse student body is no longer a compelling government interest.” - laments MSNBC
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna79701
Thus the seething and gnashing of teeth has begun.
And tugging of forelocks!
A perfect implied non-sequitur. This could easily replace, "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
The Court is willing to correct precedent that flouted Constitutional principles on individuals being equal before the law in favor of weird racial essentialist doctrines of collective punishment and reward.
Agreed.
It's bizarre how anyone could fail to see that discriminating based on race is race discrimination though. Those are some industrial grade blinders.
It's really something. In law equality should mean exactly one thing: that everyone is treated equally under the law.
Twitter will be fun today
"No race to be used for college admissions."
Wheelchair-bound applicants rejoice!
Fat kids, too.
What about the skinny kids, kids who climb on rocks? Tough kids, sissy kids, even kids with chicken pox?
They all love Hot dogs. Armour hot dogs. The dogs kids love to bite!
SCOTUS: No race to be used for college admissions.
Meh. [swallows black pill] What about the spectrum of races of which one might identify or groom their children to identify as, hmm? Then you aren't judging based on their character, but against their personal thoughts and that's a violation of free speech across any/all the races on the spectrum.
Too little, too late. There is not not enough diversity of thought remaining in academia to redeem the institutions.
I'd be a lot more enthusiastic if I didn't realize the colleges are already busy figuring out how to do an end run around this.
I'll wager they are; however, Twitter and Reddit will be fun reads for the next few days.
“Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair!!!!!”
Saved ya some time.
They already have. California UC has been illegal to use affirmative action for 20 years now and they just ignore test scores now and do other shenanigans to make sure underqualified minorities are over-represented on campus. IT's a well known thing.
Many schools are stopping testing and going to essays to avoid this ruling.
Bizarre since no doubt these kids have never written an essay.
I wonder if a white kid writing their essay in Ebonics will get them an automatic approval by the admissions AI?
>>The Supreme Court has ruled that it is unconstitutional to consider race in university admissions.
about fucking time. what did it take, like six different versions of the Court to get it right?
They needed the right ethnic mix on the bench before they could say.
"On the second occasion, Oct. 6, 2022, the child was also handcuffed."
And then handed a can of baked beans and a can opener.
I am not sure what stupid joke you might being trying to make, but how the fuck is anyone, let alone a child, going to operate a can opener in handcuffs? No leverage.
I know there is some disagreement as to who is the dumbest of the "True Libertarians", but I continue to assert that White Mike is the strongest candidate.
Search "bean dad" if you want to know. It's not a terrible joke reference.
If he's gonna be eatin' baked beans, he's gotta learn to use the toilet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/live/article-12246891/virgin-galactic-flight-01-space-live.html
Virgin Galactic 01 flight LIVE: Airline's first commercial space flight takes off with six passengers and crew onboard - before plane releases its spaceship
It's live, baby!
copper should have just built a child-size jail in his house ... bob's your uncle.
And bring home some work "associates" to really set the lil shitter straight.
Breaking news: Supreme Court rules on affirmative action in college admissions:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65920022
Wow! This is big.
Volokh:
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/06/29/the-unsurprising-affirmative-action-decision-in-students-for-fair-admissions-v-harvard/
You're a dollar short and several comments late, Mike.
"Florida Cop Jails Toddler Son for Poopy Pants"
Are US Presidents exempt from this new law?
Cop learned from tv. Yesterday's "Andy Griffith" re-run had Opie and Aunt Bee jailed for unlawful assembly. Barney wasn't a joke, he was a role-model for all too many cops.
"Just saw Indiana Jones. Opening night and the theatre was almost deserted. Can't blame them, really. That movie was an embarrassment." The Critical Drinker review.
https://twitter.com/TheCriticalDri2/status/1674186335714721795
What a horrible job by Lucasfilm & Kathleen Kennedy. She has now ruined Star Wars & Indy. Great job KK.
I feel bad for some of these media vloggers who have to put out good money for this shit simply because they have to do so for the sake of their channels.
The whole state of the industry is absolutely atrocious, especially since they all decided to completely go whole-hog on their neo-Maoist cultural revolution.
It takes a special level of ineptitude to make Marvel, Pixar, Star Wars, AND Indiana Jones no longer cash cows.
How much money will Disney lose before they can her? This is like CBS holding on to Dan Rather for years after he plunged their ratings.
Who the fuck went to go see a geriatric relive the glory days after the abortion known as The Crystal Skull, one might wonder.
Everyone knows the advance reviews are basically bought and paid for shills. If one listens to those it's their own fault.
Me? I'll wait for the RedLetterMedia review to decide even though I'm already 85% sure it's going to be a shit movie.
I think I'll "wait for cable" (as we used to call it). That way, if it's that bad, I can turn the channel (stop the stream) and lose no money on it that I otherwise haven't already paid for the service.
The way I prefer making the opportunity cost point is that couples have voted with their actions and chosen “more stuff” over “1950s family”. They can get more stuff today than in the past. Social conservatives’ job is to convince people they’ve chosen badly. Tough sell.
It really is a cult of evil stupidity. First, there are hundreds and hundreds of ways to make a point about opportunity cost without burdening or impugning any social ideology. Tard isn't making a point about opportunity cost, he's trying to dunk on conservatism and pretend he's making a valueless economics judgemetn.
Second, giving this superficially retarded Twitter post more credit than it's due and assuming "MOAR STUFF" and "1950s family" are somehow objective make the least bit of sense... "KONSOOM MOAR STUFF!!!" is just as much if not more of a problem for the Gaiaists, health nuts, helicopter parents, BLAMtifa/burn-shit-down activists, retarded Twitter pundits, and everyone else.
The only reason you would presume to place the burden squarely on Social Conservatism is if you felt it had some special obligation which it was failing and/or that it was an acceptable punching bag/scapegoat for your stupid, pseudo-economic mysticism.
What makes the “1950s family” pejorative even dumber is that the 50s kicked off a massive post-war consumer boom, with TONS of conspicuous consumption.
So it’s not like it’s a choice, it’s really just a false dichotomy proffered by left-symp fiscal conservatives who'd sell out their own grandmother for a 5% cut in their tax rate.
The way I prefer making the opportunity cost point is that couples have voted with their actions and chosen “more stuff” over “1950s family”. They can get more stuff today than in the past. Social conservatives’ job is to convince people they’ve chosen badly. Tough sell.
I don't recall getting a vote on the matter, personally.
It’s just propaganda to excuse inflation. Happily repeated by ENB, because, well, she’s a left wing propagandist.
if all these shitlib "50's were hell" types were right, why does nearly every wife and mom prefer to stay at home if the hub is rich. why?
Staying at home can lead to a lot of resentment, because at the end of the day, you're not the one bringing in the money that you spend, so it doesn't have the same value to you as it does to the person that can count each dollar in hours spent working. Also, the stay at home spouse has a lot more downtime to fill which leads to boredom and desire to go "do" something. While the one working has just spent an entire day "doing" something and doesn't have as much spare energy or desire to "go, see, do". Leading to more conflict.
People have been making it work for a long ass time, but it does have challenges that couple need to be realistic about or they are going to end up miserable.
(Personally, I'd be happy as a clam as a stay at home housewife. I'm a introverted gamer. I'd be estatic to spend most my time at home and games have pause buttons, so they could fill time that the kids are busy easily. Unfortunately, I'm a engineer, and my babe is an accountant. If we're going to live off one income it will be mine. Which probably for the best cest I hate cooking and cleaning)
It turns out the allure of doing nothing for a living except spending boundless wealth is exactly as attractive as it sounds to most of humanity.
Diablo 4 doesn't have a pause button. Fuck you Blizzard!
Seriously? Wtf?
It is an always online game. Even when playing solo.
Yep. And you can't turn off playing with others.
If I wanted to play with LUGNUTZ69, I would play WOW not freaking Diablo. Ruined the experience for me personally.
Majority Now Approve SCOTUS Abortion Ruling
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 52% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of the court overturning Roe v. Wade, including 37% who Strongly Approve. Forty-four percent (44%) disapprove, including 36% who Strongly Disapprove of the decision. Last June, 50% approved of the Supreme Court’s ruling.
the proggies can NEVER embrace federalism because the proggie world fails if you can escape
Omeglul.
Proggies discovered that they could go as far as passing through the magic canal. This will only get more popular.
>> “more stuff” over “1950s family”.
Winship cited because Yglesias cited.
>>dispatch from the latest Psychedelic Science conference.
world peace would erupt if everyone dropped some mdma and/or psilocybin
Not offending Muslims - OUT
Not offending trannies - IN
https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/28/cervical-cancer-fund-draws-criticism-calling-vaginas-bonus-holes/
(UK)Cervical Cancer Fund Draws Criticism For Calling Vaginas ‘Bonus Holes’
It would be easier to call trannies "Bogus Holes"
And here I thought that was just, like, the normal hole? Do the staffers over at the CCF just overwhelmingly prefer anal or what?
"Bonus holes"? What does that make the clitoris, chopped liver?
So now were back to offending Moslems, are we?
So do non men have bonus holes or do they have to be birthing persons also?
So, offending half of humanity is no big deal because there are like 5 trans people offended by this.
ROFLMAO @ "it is important to check which words someone would prefer to use."!
Make sure to check with your female SO whether she prefers to have her standard-issue vagina called a "bonus hole" before calling it that. LOL!
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That tweet with the woman and the grocery carts is way out of whack. She may have a $15000 house but had to have purchased it prior to 1965. In the Columbus area houses were mid 20s to mid 30s in the early 1970s, by 1984 houses were in the 50s to 60s. And by 1980 stagflation would have decimated those groceries.
also that picture screams 1974 not 1980
I don't quite buy the chart above it, either. Too lazy to look up how the stats are complied, though.
I'm starting to see more of this shit recently. What's the big push causing this? Are they trying to tell us that the inflation the last two years isn't real? Because, fuck man, my grocery bill is through the roof and I see it every goddamned time I go to the store. Same with a lot of consumer goods.
Feels like a concerted effort to gaslight, and some weak sauce responses to the gaslighting.
It's only like $15 ($15.25 with the cart) in today's prices at Aldi's, but only about 75% of the food would be edible.