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Gun Control

Gavin Newsom Wants To 'Permanently Enshrine' Gun Control in the U.S. Constitution

California’s governor insists his “28th Amendment” would leave the right to arms “intact.”

Jacob Sullum | 6.9.2023 10:35 AM

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Irked by Congress' failure to enact the gun control laws he favors, California Gov. Gavin Newsom is proposing a "28th Amendment" that would "permanently enshrine" those policies in the U.S. Constitution. This transparently partisan publicity stunt is wholly impractical and raises more questions than it answers. But Newsom's pitch for it nicely illustrates the dishonesty, emotionalism, divisive rhetoric, illogic, and magical thinking of politicians who promise that their half-baked gun control schemes will rescue America from fear of deadly violence.

In a video he posted on Twitter and the website of his Campaign for Democracy, Newsom, a Democrat, portrays his amendment as a way of uniting sensible Americans across the political spectrum. But he also lays into "NRA-owned politicians" (illustrated by footage of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott), whom he implicitly charges with sacrificing innocent people on the altar of that organization's gun cult.

"They tell us we can't stop these massacres," Newsom says. "They tell us we have to stand by and watch tragedy after tragedy unfold in our communities. They say we can't stop domestic terrorism without violating the Second Amendment and that 'thoughts and prayers' are the best we can do. I'm here to say that's a lie."

Who are "they"? The tweets that Newsom uses to illustrate "thoughts and prayers" leave no doubt. "They" are Republican governors and members of Congress who refuse to embrace Newsom's gun control agenda. Might their disagreement with him be based on sincere concerns about the effectiveness and constitutionality of his proposals? Newsom never even entertains the possibility.

Newsom says his amendment "permanently enshrines four additions to the laws of our land." It "raises the minimum age to purchase a firearm from 18 to 21, because if you can't buy a beer, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun"; "mandates universal background checks to prevent truly dangerous people from purchasing a gun that can be used in a crime"; "institutes reasonable waiting periods for all gun purchases"; "bans civilians from buying assault rifles—those weapons of war our founding fathers never foresaw"; and "guarantee[s]…states the ability to enact common-sense gun safety laws while leaving the Second Amendment intact and respecting America's gun-owning tradition."

That's actually five additions, not four, and the last one is especially vague and open-ended. Although Newsom insists that his plan would "leav[e] the Second Amendment intact," limiting the right to arms is the whole point of the proposal, which would authorize restrictions that federal courts otherwise might deem unconstitutional.

As Newsom notes, several of the policies he mentions poll well. The video cites an April 2023 Fox News survey in which 81 percent of respondents favored raising the purchase age for guns, 87 percent favored requiring background checks for all firearm sales, 77 percent favored "requiring a 30-day waiting period for all gun purchases," and 61 percent favored "banning assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons."

At the same time, however, just 43 percent of the respondents agreed that "passing stricter gun control laws would make the country safer," which suggests that many avowed supporters of these policies do not have much faith in them. There is good reason for that, as the debate over banning "assault weapons" illustrates.

That proposal, which Democrats overwhelmingly supported and Republicans overwhelmingly opposed, produced the starkest partisan divide in the gun control section of the Fox News poll. Support for banning "assault weapons" also depends on how the question is worded and tends to fluctuate over time. Gallup's current question, which it has used since 1996, asks, "Are you for or against a law which would make it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess semi-automatic guns known as assault rifles?" The "for" group peaked at 59 percent in 2000, hit a low of 36 percent in 2016, and had risen to 47 percent by 2019.

The results of a March 2023 Monmouth University survey were similar: Just 46 percent of respondents favored "banning the future sale of assault weapons," while 49 percent were opposed. Counterintuitively, the Fox News survey, which put support 12 points higher, asked about a much broader policy, banning not only "assault rifles" (whatever those might be) but also "semi-automatic weapons," a category that covers many widely owned firearms, including hunting rifles and the handguns that the Supreme Court has described as "the quintessential self-defense weapon." Those guns presumably are not what Newsom has in mind when he talks about "weapons of war our founding fathers never foresaw."

What does he have in mind? It is hard to say without seeing the text of his "28th Amendment." But H.R. 698, a bill aimed at reviving the federal "assault weapon" ban that expired in 2004, includes eight pages of guns that it specifically prohibits, plus 95 pages of guns it specifically allows. That is a lot of pages for a constitutional amendment.

In the interest of concision, Newsom may prefer the bill's more general definitions of "assault weapons." There are three of those: one for rifles, one for shotguns, and one for pistols. A semi-automatic rifle qualifies as an "assault weapon," for example, if it accepts detachable magazines and includes any of several specified features, such as a folding or adjustable stock, a pistol grip, or a barrel shroud.

The general definitions still take three pages to lay out, which again would be unprecedentedly long for a constitutional amendment, even without considering the other four things Newsom wants to accomplish. But this problem is unavoidable because banning "assault weapons" without defining the term would be meaningless. And the definitional issue goes to the heart of the rationale for the policy, which purports to target guns that are uniquely suitable for mass murder.

Contrary to that pretense, removing the prohibited features has no impact on a gun's basic functionality: It still fires the same ammunition at the same rate with the same muzzle velocity. Even President Joe Biden, who supports reviving the federal ban, has conceded that the changes it required left guns "just as deadly." If so, you might wonder, what is the point?

The other restrictions that Newsom proposes adding to the Constitution likewise have little to recommend them. Expanded background checks are ill-suited to stopping mass murderers, who typically do not have disqualifying records, and ordinary criminals, who generally obtain guns from sources that would be unaffected by a new law (or even a new constitutional amendment). Raising the purchase age for guns might (or might not) stymie some 18-to-20-year-old killers, but only at the cost of disarming many other young adults who, according to federal courts that Newsom is keen to neutralize, have just as much right to self-defense as slightly older Americans do. Waiting periods entail similar tradeoffs: They may stop some hotheads from buying guns before they have had enough time to calm down, for example, but they may also prevent potential victims of those hotheads from defending themselves.

The merits of the policies that Newsom wants to "permanently enshrine" in the Constitution are hotly contested. The fact that they look popular in polls does not mean they are wise or just, let alone that they are consistent with the Second Amendment. By appealing directly to the sentiments that people express in opinion surveys, Newsom hopes to override not only legislators, whose job in a representative democracy goes beyond mindlessly echoing their constituents' views, but also judges, whose job in a constitutional republic requires them to defy the will of the majority when it conflicts with the law.

Hopes is probably too strong a word for what Newsom is doing. "This fight won't be easy," he concedes, which is putting it mildly. Convening a constitutional convention, the route that Newsom favors, requires approval from two-thirds of state legislatures, many of which are controlled by the same heartless Republicans he portrays as entirely unfazed by the murder of schoolchildren. If they stubbornly refuse to enact the policies Newsom wants, why would they go along with his plan to constitutionalize those policies?

Assuming Newsom is serious (which seems highly doubtful), he wants to treat the U.S. Constitution as a vehicle for detailed public policies rather than a framework that constrains those policies. This would be only the second or third time in U.S. history (depending on whether you count the income tax) that the Constitution was amended to restrict freedom rather than protect it.

As Newsom sees it, he is actually defending freedom: He urges Americans to "reclaim our freedom from fear." By that he means they should trade freedom for the illusion of security, trusting the government to "enact common-sense gun safety laws" that will somehow stop crime without affecting the right to keep and bear arms. This is precisely the sort of demagoguery that the Constitution was designed to frustrate.

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  1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

    Does Newsom expect people to adhere to the language of the 28th?
    He ignores the phrases, "shall not be infringed" and "right of the people" that are in the 2A.

    1. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

      So if the right to own “arms” shall not be infringed, why am I not allowed to possess nuclear arms? My sole intention in doing so, would be to protect myself from a tyrannical government. So why is that outlawed?

      1. Diarrheality   2 years ago (edited)

        So if the right to own “arms” shall not be infringed, why am I not allowed to possess nuclear arms? My sole intention in doing so, would be to protect myself from a tyrannical government. So why is that outlawed?

        Yeah, I’ve read this one before. To paraphrase this bullshit argument:

        If the right to possess nuclear arms is infringed by government, then it follows that government may justifiably infringe upon the right to possess other “arms” it believes should be reserved for itself. Besides, everyone knows the Second Amendment is a collective right–a privilege really–and not like all those other rights that government grants you when it feels like it. And no, government doesn’t want to take your guns, just the really dangerous ones, like that one with the thing that goes up. To conclude, all supporters of the Second Amendment are ammosexuals compensating for their small dicks, the NRA has blood on their hands, and do it for the children.

        Is that about right? Go read the Federalist Papers, then get fucked, statist.

        Should I have read this wrong and your argument is in fact that you should be allowed to possess nuclear arms because everyone in government is largely a self-serving dick, then I say absolutely. Spin up those centrifuges and go nuts.

        1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

          The second amendment already clearly spells out gun control.

          The introduction, “A well regulated militia necessary to the security of a free state”, clearly demonstrates that the founders understood that the responsibility and training demonstrated by a well regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state.

          And those individuals who demonstrate those characteristics should not be prevented from keeping and bearing arms, at least as arms were understood at the time.

          Today zealots at both extremes revel that this is not recognized as one wants no responsibility and the other no guns.

          1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

            Basically, the weapons that a government uses against its own citizens should be possessed by responsible and trained people.

            1. prfd1   2 years ago

              Nazi Dictators like Newsom refuse to give up armed protection. They will not leave the house without the protection of firearms.
              But they tell my daughter she has to consent to being robbed and raped and killed with no right to self defense.
              What a nice intelligent respectable young man Newson is.

              1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                Somewhere in that confused mess, there’s an appeal to logic.

                You shouldn’t have begun by invoking Godwin’s Law.

                1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                  So you have no response.

              2. JohnZ   2 years ago

                Newsom is not a Nazi dictator. He is a communist, which is worse than any Nazi as the communists have along and deadly record of eliminating anyone who could or might stand in their way.
                100 million graves stand in silent testimony to the crimes of communism.

                1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

                  Yes communism which was installed and managed by Jewish Bolsheviks like Lenin.

      2. DRM   2 years ago

        So if the right to own “arms” shall not be infringed, why am I not allowed to possess nuclear arms?

        Because the government is violating the Second Amendment.

        Now, if you want to amend the Constitution to strip people of the right to bear nuclear arms, I expect that amendment will sail right through.That is what the amendment process is there for, after all.

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        2. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

          only you use the word 'arms' in that sophistic way. That is why.
          And nobody believes
          That you would buy nuclear arms
          THat you intend to defend yourself against govt
          That you would allow your neighbor to do so.

          You make a theoretical case that NO ONE believes

      3. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        False equivocation.

      4. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

        only you use the word 'arms' in that sophistic way. That is why.
        And nobody believes
        That you would buy nuclear arms
        THat you intend to defend yourself against govt
        That you would allow your neighbor to do so.

        You make a theoretical case that NO ONE believes

    2. Nardz   2 years ago

      Well, what are you gonna do about it?

    3. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      Presumably he intends that the 28th would eliminate the 2nd, much like how prohibition was repealed.

    4. debo10   2 years ago

      A narcissistic, Marxist, who is surrounded by bodyguards with guns, lives in a mansion, pollutes more that half the population in his SUVs and planes, and eats at fancy restaurants using gas stoves, wants to tell the rest of us that we are not good enough to receive the same treatments because HE'S the law? Dude, we the people put you there to represent us, not rule us. And those of you who thinks he's doing the right thing, you are the problem with our representative democracy. Look in the mirror when you have no rights, can't afford a car or house, and illegals are treated better than you. Bend the knee to the leftists, and they think you're supposed to give them head. They think you're beneath them, even though YOU put them there for YOU!!

    5. diver64   2 years ago

      The 28th would override the 2cd. I disagree with his nutty stance which is much like all the nonsense he pushes but at least he is proposing to do it the right way. Write an Amendment and have people vote on it.

      1. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

        No, people have voted on it. They think he is a moron. DO you have an actual opinion beyond "how about you and him fight" ?

    6. B G   2 years ago

      Odds are, he'd be hoping that eventually the legislature would define "assault weapons" down to sharp sticks and rocks over 12 oz in mass.

      If the goal on his end wouldn't be an end-run around repealing 2A, then he's just looking to stick his junk into a beehive and destroy his political future at the national level before he really even starts into it. Unless maybe he's looking to be the first male US Senator from CA in the last 30 years (or second if the DNC manages to shove Adam Schiff into Feinstien's seat ahead of Barbara Lee).

      The only "national" office that this maneuver would set Newsom up for would be in the scenario where the coastal portions of CA, OR, and WA from L.A. County to the Canadian border secede from the USA and form some kind of new "Confederation". In that case, it's still useless because they'd just start their new Constitution with a prohibition on privately owned weapons instead of a protected right that "shall not be infringed" for whatever reason.

  2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    Somehow at least a half a dozen of the commentariat will interpret this article to mean Reason is run by leftists who want gun control.

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      I can find a lot of things to complain about regarding Reason these days, but they are still solid on guns.

      1. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

        I'd disagree, they are more solid on guns then they have been in the past.

        1. prfd1   2 years ago

          Reason has become a little bit less authoritarian on the issue of gun control over time.

    2. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      The ghost of Mike Hihn is an associate editor at Reason...

      1. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

        That could be the premise for the ‘Reason Magazine Halloween Special’.

  3. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

    Its already explicitly addressed.

    Unfortunately for him, it says "shall not be infringed". So the control part is already in there, just not the way he wants it.

    Sorry commie, plenty of other countries you can live in

    1. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

      So if the right to own “arms” shall not be infringed, why am I not allowed to possess nuclear arms? My sole intention in doing so, would be to protect myself from a tyrannical government. So why is that outlawed?

      1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

        So why is that outlawed?

        It is an illegal infringement. All laws regulating all arms are repugnant to the 2A.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          Correct

      2. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

        Is there a law against the possession of nuclear weapons?

        1. Jim Logajan   2 years ago (edited)

          42 U.S. Code § 2122 – Prohibitions governing atomic weapons

          (a) It shall be unlawful, except as provided in section 2121 of this title, for any person, inside or outside of the United States, to knowingly participate in the development of, manufacture, produce, transfer, acquire, receive, possess, import, export, or use, or possess and threaten to use, any atomic weapon. Nothing in this section shall be deemed to modify the provisions of section 2051(a) or 2131 of this title.

          1. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

            Seems to me that if you have a nuclear weapon, this law is rendered moot.

        2. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

          Yes, but not on the basis of 2nd Amendment. Just using the word 'gun' doesn't invoke the 2A
          That would be like shooting someone and claiming it was an opinion protected under 1A

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        So if the right to own “arms” shall not be infringed, why am I not allowed to possess nuclear arms?

        You're more than welcome to acquire a nuclear warhead, shitlib. Hopefully you die from the ass cancer you get from the radiation.

      4. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

        You could have a nuclear weapon in theory. But possession if fissile nuclear material is heavily regulated and largely illegal. So it’s really a non issue.

  4. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

    "Newsom says his amendment "permanently enshrines four additions to the laws of our land." It "raises the minimum age to purchase a firearm from 18 to 21, because if you can't buy a beer, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun"

    Newsome is right, we should lower the drinking age back to 18.

    Oh, I see. He wants to use an unjust, infantilizing policy to justify implementing another bad policy.

    Somehow, though an 18 year old is not considered by the Left to be responsible enough to drink alcohol or own a gun, the voting age might too high. Madness.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Repeal the 26th Amendment and raise the age of majority back to 21. The idea that 18-year-olds are adults was always silly, and has become more so as teenagers have become more immature. I would prefer a voting of at least 25, but I'd settle for 21.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        I'm OK with 18 as age of majority for most things. But teenagers are tricky. They are adults in many ways (able to reproduce, capable of working and supporting themselves, etc.). But also not to be trusted in many ways.
        I think the voting age should be 35. Or maybe the same as the minimum age for the office you are voting for.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Or maybe the same as the minimum age for the office you are voting for.

          That's always made sense to me. If you don't have enough life experience to do the job, why should you have a say?

          In my Libertopia, only net taxpayers could vote. That would exclude people who receive more than they pay in, as well as government employees.

          1. ThomasPayne   2 years ago (edited)

            Don’t forget almost all of the top 10 states that RECEIVE more money than they CONTRIBUTE are red states! They have virtually no economy, so they are literally on welfare… meanwhile California and New York are paying for the road systems in Wyoming and Kansas ????

            I think the states that are mooching off the United States treasury should have their electoral votes taken away…. If they can’t manage to get their state to run in the black (and get out of the red) why should those people have a say in how we run the county?

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

              That’s the fault of the 16A and the federal government, not the states.

            2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

              I think the states that are mooching off the United States treasury should have their electoral votes taken away

              Ok, as long as all citizens who accepts financial relief loses their personal vote. This includes EIC, Ag subsidies, bailouts, union members, all government employees, etc.

              The only exception I would allow is disaster relief funds.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Know what James Madison had to say about disaster relief?

                “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

              2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Oh, I forgot. Idaho Bob has me on mute but considers JesseAz to be a paragon of wisdom.

                1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

                  Idaho Bob doesn't mute anyone. I'm just not compelled to respond to idiocy.

                  While I have issues with relief funds, I wouldn't expect a citizen to forfeit his/her vote for staying in a FEMA shelter after a hurricane.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                    I wouldn’t expect a citizen to forfeit his/her vote for staying in a FEMA shelter after a hurricane.

                    Why? They wouldn’t be permanently disenfranchised. Just means they wouldn’t be able to vote for more while they’re on the receiving end.

                    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

                      Just means they wouldn’t be able to vote for more while they’re on the receiving end.

                      I get what you are saying, but if a couple is in a FEMA shelter on November 3rd, Should they lose their vote on November 4th?

                      I'm just using this an example.

                    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                      I don't have an answer for that. I'm talking more about principle than specific scenarios.

            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              I think the states that are mooching off the United States treasury should have their electoral votes taken away…. If they can’t manage to get their state to run in the black (and get out of the red) why should those people have a say in how we run the county?

              Oh, hey, Bob Chipman's commenting here today. How's the diabetes, you fat fuck?

            4. StevenF   2 years ago

              Your source FLAT OUT LIES about the numbers. If you look at what they count as paying into the Federal government and what they count as receiving from the Federal government, they EXCLUDE more than they include.

            5. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

              Great. So let’s get rid of all those federal taxes, plus all the onerous regulations you democrat Marxists inflict on Americans. Scale the whole thing back to only what is covered in the constitution. Then cut the taxes back to only pay for those things.

              So then all the states can keep most of their money and run their states as they see fit. Of course, since ‘red states’ produce most of the food, I’m sure they can raise prices on Marxist run states to bolster their economy. And without all those bullshit federal regulations that strangle energy production, it will also be a lot easier to build up their economies. The Marxist states, strangled by their own regulations, will suffer economically.

              Also, your original premise is actually discredited bullshit, but I thought I would have some fun with you.

            6. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

              Thomas , another fact-free post by you.
              Take the top exporting states. They run black or red almost always due to Federal intervention.

          2. Me, Myself and I   2 years ago

            This probably goes without saying, and everyone else probably already thinks this, but I'm going to say it anyway just in case.
            The calculations for who counts as a net taxpayer should include voluntary donations to the Treasury. Otherwise, the government could disenfranchise people by giving them slightly more money than they pay in, and those people would have no way to get their votes back.

        2. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

          I find it interesting that you say some of the criteria for adults is being able to reproduce, capable of working, and supporting themselves. I could be wrong, but I think I learned in history class that in medieval England, 13 year olds did all of the above things you just listed. Got married, had kids, worked their fields, etc.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            What was the average lifespan in medieval England?

            1. Wizard4169   2 years ago

              Life expectancy at birth was drastically lower, but that was because of sky-high infant and child mortality. Those who managed to survive to adulthood frequently lived into their seventies or even eighties. Human life span hasn't actually changed much over the years.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Kind of. If you made it to 25 you'd probably make it to 50. Seventies and eighties were rare.

              2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Expectancy, not lifespan.

              3. Zeb   2 years ago

                There were also lots more things likely to kill you as an adult. If one could avoid serious illness or injury one could make it to 70 or 80, but I think odds were pretty good that something would get you before then.

                1. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

                  Just simple things like aspirin and penicillin make a huge difference, plus centrally heated and cooled insulated housing helps a lot.

                  1. BigT   2 years ago

                    Clean water had the biggest impact after improved infant care.

                2. The Last American Hero   2 years ago

                  How did GW die?

          2. Zeb   2 years ago

            Yes. They were able to function as adults. That was my whole point about teenagers.

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Just because 13-year-olds did all that in medieval England doesn't mean you can bang them today, you hicklib pederast.

      2. R. K. Phillips   2 years ago

        I agree with that. No smoking, drinking, voting, screwing, or military service until you are 21.

      3. Me, Myself and I   2 years ago

        This would just contribute to the infantilisation of teenagers.
        They have the body of an adult but are treated like children so they act like children, and expect to continue being treated like children well into adulthood.
        If they were given the rights and responsibilities of adulthood, they would become much more mature both immediately and well into the future, rather than seeking childish government benefits.

    2. JFree   2 years ago

      I was thinking he should raise the purchase age to infinity. If you can't buy heroin, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun

      1. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

        And mandate personal force fields for every citizen by 2030.

    3. CE   2 years ago

      18 is old enough to be drafted though, at least for males.

      Personally, I'd raise/lower the age of adulthood to 19 for everything. Get people through high school at least before we set them free on the world.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        I think Tolkien's Hobbits had it right. They don't come of age until 30, after they go through their irresponsible twenties.

      2. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

        Get rid of four year high schools. The last two years are just an assisting anymore. At 16, kids should be headed to a university, junior college, learning a trade, or maybe starting an applied 2-3 year program. Young people are infantilized until they’re mid 20’s now, and we’re paying the price for it.

        This would also help get more young people learning professions that are in demand, so we wouldn’t need all these heavily abused VISA programs.

  5. creech   2 years ago

    "This fight won't be easy,"
    History shows amendments take decades of pushing before they are adopted. This is round one; it will move the window a bit. Generations die off, new generations are born, the voter profile changes and eighty or a hundred years from now having a gun will get you a long sentence in a prison camp. So let's defend the slippery slope and keep this Newsom gun-grabber out of federal office.

    1. BadLib   2 years ago (edited)

      One amendment to the Constitution I would support would be one that renders a proposed amendment, including any amendments previously proposed but not yet ratified by the requisite number of states, null and void if three-quarters of the states have not ratified it within three years of it being submitted for ratification to the first state.

      This would avoid the ridiculous arguments about the ERA (and would of blocked the 27th amendment – although I have no objection to that amendment’s content).

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        and possibly the 16t which was the worse amendment ever passed.

      2. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

        More importantly, we need an Amendment to the Constitution requiring judicial review for Constitutionality of all new laws, regulations and executive orders BEFORE they are allowed to take effect. This would put a stop to the practice of officials taking action they know is unconstitutional without risking any personal penalties for the sole purpose of forcing private actors to challenge them in court at great personal expense.

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago (edited)

          Nope, no good; proponents would use that initial OK to prevent all future challenges.

          Better incentive is that all politicians who voted for a law which is found unconstitutional or otherwise defective are banned from office and lose their pension.

          Of course, that just means that their fellow government employees, the judges, would be even more reluctant to find laws unconstitutional.

          1. SMP0328   2 years ago

            What if the Supreme Court has a majority of Justices who think like Sonya Sotomayor? That's what we would have if Hillary had been able to hold on to her "Blue Wall."

          2. Zeb   2 years ago

            What we really need is a way to incentivize a more adversarial relationship among government employees.

        2. R. K. Phillips   2 years ago

          If it's an amendment, it is, by definition, constitutional.
          My new amendment would put any politician at any level who voted for a law that was later deemed unconstitutional to be eligible for execution.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            You'll have to get rid of the ex-post-facto clause first.

            1. Zeb   2 years ago

              No problem in a hypothetical constitutional amendment if you word it right.

              As appealing as the idea of executing more politicians is, I think it might not work out well. It would just give a bigger incentive for people to cling to power and do whatever it takes.

      3. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

        ERA was nonsense and the public displaying of that over the years was very helpful. As to your sneaky plan to not put the 3-year rule itself up to vote, hmmmm. We settled that but you don't accept it.

    2. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

      The argument you just made, literally falls into the “slippery slope” logical fallacy. If you had taken college courses, you’d know this.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

        Pointing out your side’s accelerationism is hardly a slippery slope.

  6. BadLib   2 years ago

    So it is now confirmed that, in spite of contrary speculation by some, Gov Hair Gel has no plans to run for President.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      I honestly hope he does. He's a pompous jerkoff who epitomizes everything that people hate about California, and would likely be the first presidential candidate to be assassinated since Robert Kennedy.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        I don't know. I think the more candidates the dems have it becomes harder to avoid primary debates, and shield Biden. I would like to see at least five dems running for the primary.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          There is no way Biden's handlers are going to expose him to a real debate. If there are any, the rules will be designed to protect Biden and it will be a farce.

          1. CE   2 years ago

            Unfortunately, the President has a temporary and minor bout of laryngitis tonight ladies and gentlemen and others. His answers will be by 60-second pre-recorded video clips. He was given the questions in advance, but answered them spontaneously with no advance preparation, and no editing. We promise.

            1. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

              Wow you already concocted a full on conspiracy theory about something that didn’t even happen…. Q Anon would be proud.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                Damn, your side really despises being mocked.

              2. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

                again you missed the point.
                And you say it didn't happen ever, can you prove that 🙂

        2. CE   2 years ago

          The other candidates can still have a debate, with a cardboard cutout of President Biden at one microphone. It would probably fare better than the real President Biden.

          1. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago (edited)

            Biden’s people could always Max Headroom it. Democrat voters will be ok with whatever the DNC decides is going to be the next president.

            1. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

              I think you meant “Democratic” a simple googling of conjugation should set you straight! Unless you’re being purposefully ignorant, in which case nobody can help, lol

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                Thomas knows all about ignorance because he sees it all the time. It's called a mirror.

                1. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

                  Okay after 5+ uses could you retire that ??

            2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago (edited)

              They probably have a contingency plan in place to Deep Fake his entire second term if necessary.

    2. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

      Better to rule in Hell (California) than to serve in Washington, D.C. (the White House)

    3. CE   2 years ago

      Biden is moldy toast. Harris is a laughingstock. Buttigieg can't make the trains run on time. The Dems are going to the back bench, and the leading contenders are Newsom and Whitmer, revealing the party once and for all as the totalitarian control freaks they are and ending any pretense of being liberals.

      The winner gets Abrams as VP of course.

      1. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

        I’ve heard that they might offer Harris governor of California in exchange for bowing out. I have no idea if this is actually true, but it is one way to get rid of her without tearing the democrat party apart. Which would be wonderful if it did.

        1. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

          She never got higher than 3rd in her home state while running for Pres. Makes Dukakis look like the Beatles

    4. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

      So an asshat that voted for Biden wouldn’t vote for Newsom? Unless Boy Gavin is too pompous/stupid to navigate the grift requirements of the Dem national party, he’s the nominee. Nothing matters to their loyal, obedient voters except name recognition, and he’s got it.

      Hopefully his undisguised hatred of the 2A will flush his chances down the shitter, just like with his fellow rent boy rising star Beto.

      1. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

        Newsom is very far left, and very arrogant. I don’t think he could be low key about any of his plans long enough to get independents to vote for him. Of course this says nothing of ‘ballot fortification’.

  7. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    Accuracy in headlines:
    "Newsom wants to decimate the Bill of Rights".

    1. CE   2 years ago

      One down, nine to go.

      1. Wizard4169   2 years ago

        Between various "wars" on crime, drugs, terror, etc. we've already shredded most of the BoR. Well, no one has tried to park a Hessian in my spare bedroom lately, so I guess that 3A is holding up...

  8. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    Hopefully I'll be dead before Generation Entitled repeals the first two Amendments.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      If it were put to an up-or-down vote in today's America, the entire Bill of Rights would be repealed.

      1. Eeyore   2 years ago

        I'm curious what high-school kids would come up with in a civics exercise to write a new constitution.

        1. The right to gender affirming care.
        2. The right to abortion.
        3. The right to life ending care.
        4. The right to limit your neighbors co2 output.
        5. The right to be free from disinformation on social media.
        6. The right to have everything you want for free.
        7. Etc.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          Google up the old Soviet Constitutions. They promised everything while delivering nothing.

          1. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

            Didn't FDR propose something similar?

      2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        They might leave the 9th and claim the "rights" to all manner of Other People's Stuff.

      3. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

        Just get rid of the repeaters. Why would anyone sit back and let these people hav whtwir way when they are weak and largely unarmed. If the libertarians/conservatives in this country went hot tomorrow in any significant number, it wouldn’t be a civil war.

        It would be a revolution, and the left would be wiped out very quickly.

  9. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

    This is just more salami-slicing by leftists--"Oh, we don't want to ban guns, just pass these 'common-sense' laws that will reduce gun violence!" After their laws don't actually stop gun violence, they propose additional 'common-sense laws' that also fail to stop gun violence. And on and on and on, until you get full-on bans that just get ignored by criminals anyway.

    Start suppressing minority gangs, and gun violence rates will drop to European levels.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Start suppressing minority gangs, and gun violence rates will drop to European levels.

      We already have six times more people per capita in prison than any country in Europe.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        And is that out of proportion to the number of violent miscreants we have? I doubt it. The most important part of a long term solution to violence in this country is to stop subsidizing the reproduction of indigent unmarried women.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          While I agree that that plays a big part, most of the "gun violence" in this country is fueled by the war on drug users. You don't see turf wars over alcohol anymore.
          But like everything it's a trade off. What's worse? Gang bangers having shootouts every day, or druggies shooting themselves up on the street?

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            Look past the symptoms and look at the root causes.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              I'm saying the drug war is a root cause. It creates a black market where disputes can only be resolved with violence.

              1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago (edited)

                And I’m saying that the cause of concentrations of addictive drug users in violent urban neighborhoods is largely social welfare policies.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  I'm not disagreeing with you. Yes that is a root cause. But I doubt those areas would be nearly as violent without a black market to fight each other over.

                  1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                    Addictive narcotics will always be a black market. Legalization extremists who think that crack, heroin, meth, and fentanyl will be on the shelf at Rite Aid next to the aspirin after legalization are delusional.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Addictive narcotics will always be a black market.

                      That has no bearing on whether it is a factor or not.

                      Legalization extremists who think that crack, heroin, meth, and fentanyl will be on the shelf at Rite Aid next to the aspirin after legalization are delusional.

                      You could say the same thing about people who think social welfare is going to do anything except expand.

                    2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                      That has no bearing on whether it is a factor or not.

                      It bears directly on whether legalization would reduce violence.

                      You could say the same thing blah blah blah

                      If you think there's no possibility for improvement why are you bothering to discuss policy changes?

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      I thought the discussion was about the causes of gun violence.

                    4. Philadelphia Collins   2 years ago

                      Wrong. Portugal ended their war on drugs and Portugal still exists. With less crime.

          2. CE   2 years ago

            The fallacy behind that argument is obvious. We have both right now.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              No we don't. Where the use of hard drugs is decriminalized, selling them is still illegal. So there's still a black market worth killing over.

              1. Zeb   2 years ago

                He's saying we have both gang battles and junkies on the street. Which is true. But I see no fallacy in what you said. It might be debatable that ending prohibition would stop gang violence, but there's no logical contradiction in saying it would.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                  He’s saying we have both gang battles and junkies on the street. Which is true.

                  I got that. What we don't have is an end to prohibition that would end the gang battles.

                  It might be debatable that ending prohibition would stop gang violence, but there’s no logical contradiction in saying it would.

                  I don’t think there is a debate at all. Prohibition creates black markets. People in black markets can’t resolve disputes in court, so they resort to violence. Without prohibition they won’t have anything to fight about. The common counterargument to that is that they’ll just get into other illegal things like prostitution or gambling, but I think it’s a weak one because those things don’t have nearly the market that drugs do.

                  1. Zeb   2 years ago

                    I tend to agree with you about that. Organized criminal activity would at least be reduced a lot without prohibition. But it is a counterfactual that can't be proven one way or another for certain.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      But it is a counterfactual that can’t be proven one way or another for certain.

                      Sure it can. Just look at Chicago before, during, and after alcohol Prohibition.

                    2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                      And then look at states that have "legalized" marijuana. Almost all sales continue to be through the black market.

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Only because "legalization" comes in the form of "we're going to tax this shit so much that you can buy it cheaper on the black market."

                    4. Vernon Depner   2 years ago (edited)

                      Which is one reason why I said, “Legalization extremists who think that crack, heroin, meth, and fentanyl will be on the shelf at Rite Aid next to the aspirin after legalization are delusional.”

                    5. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                      At one point cocaine and opiates were legal. Were you aware that most of the drug laws were racist in origin? The first laws against opiates were because the Chinese used the drug. They outlawed cocaine because Mexicans used it. And marijuana because it was popular among Blacks.

                    6. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      “Coloreds with big lips lure white women with jazz and marijuana.”
                      — Harry Anslinger, Founding Commissioner, The Federal Bureau of Narcotics.

                    7. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      If you could buy cocaine or heroin at Rite Aid, would you? I'm guessing you wouldn't. Do you think lots of other people would? I'm guessing you'll answer in the affirmative. If my guesses are correct, why?

            2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              We definitely have the gang gun battles in Chicago. Maybe not as many duggies as SF, but they're here. Hell, these assholes are now bold enough to shoot each other in broad daylight.

              https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-violence-austin-police/11079879/

              There is an outcry from the mayor and some Chicago aldermen after men linked by police to a deadly gang shootout in Austin last week were released from custody. Prosecutors declined to charge each of them with a pair of felonies, including first-degree murder.

              The mid-morning gunfight, which left one shooter dead and two of the suspects wounded, stemmed from an internal dispute between two gang factions, the Chicago Sun-Times reported.

              Yes, you read that right, mid-morning, IIRC, it was about 11 am.

      2. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

        Minority gang violence is a reasonable response by people who have been marginalized by people like you and corrupt police departments. If a few innocent bystanders are killed or injured, well collateral damage from the War on Poverty is the price we have to pay. Didn't you get the memo?

        1. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

          Sorry, this was meant to be a response to Red Rocks, not sarcasmic.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Can't make an equitable omelet without breaking a few high-trust eggs.

      3. BillyG   2 years ago

        Why compare US to Europe? They're across an ocean. Compare US to Central & South America. They're next door.

        1. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

          Compare US to Central & South America

          We’re certainly two sides to the same coin in regards to the drug war

        2. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago (edited)

          “Why compare US to Europe?”

          As far as the effectiveness of “gun control,” why look past the USA? Within the States themselves, we have some of the lowest homicide rates around, and some of the highest — from 0.96 per 100,000 in Vermont, to 14.55 per 100,000 Mississippi (both stats from 2020 in WISQARS). Maybe, if we can figure out how and why that happened, we might just have some actual, real-world information re guns vs crime. Somehow, it seems to have a lot more to do with things other than guns.

          1. Diarrheality   2 years ago

            Are you not saying what I think you're not saying?

            That's racist™

          2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            Somehow, it seems to have a lot more to do with things other than guns.

            Yes. It has mainly to do with neighborhoods with debased cultures.

            1. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

              Yeppers. Also income, which is something folks living in "poor" neighborhoods have in common.

              1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                Poverty is a symptom of debased culture.

        3. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

          Nah, I'm OK with counting the number of people killed in the USA versus the number of people killed in Europe, with firearms, over the last 150 years or so.

          Europe comes out looking very poorly.

          1. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

            Misek hardest hit.

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        We have four times as many people as the largest country in Europe (leaving out Russia, which is Eurasian), and Euros are fucking softies on crime. It makes sense that we'd have more prisons and prisoners, even if you take out the marryjoowana possession cases.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          France and Germany have less than 100 prisoners per 100,000 people.

          Russia has over 300 prisoners per 100,000 people.

          China has a little over 100 prisoners per 100,000 people (that we know of).

          The Land of the Free has close to 600 prisoners per 100,000 people.

          Only El Salvador, Rwanda, Turkmenistan, American Samoa and Cuba have more.

          1. Eeyore   2 years ago

            China just dissappears the other 500 per 100k.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              So we're even with China? That's not something to brag about.

              1. markm23   2 years ago

                At least we didn't murder the others.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            The Land of the Free has close to 600 prisoners per 100,000 people.

            I'd chalk that up to the dysfunction of our urban areas, which have gotten objectively worse in the last 5-10 years.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              I'd chalk that up to the Controlled Substances Act. Before 1970 our per-capita prison population was on par with the rest of the world. It only ballooned after the drug war.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                That's fair, but seeing what happened to Colorado in the years since pot and shrooms have been legalized, I doubt at this point that is the avenue to travel if you want a stable, functional society.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  Everything is a tradeoff. What's worse, drugs or the war on drugs?

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      ^ see el salvador

    3. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

      Firstly you’re a racist. As evidenced by your statement “start suppressing minority gangs”

      Secondly, gun violence rates are low in Europe because A) some countries like England don’t allow guns, and the criminals generally can’t get them either. That’s why the police in England carry a club. SWAT team officers in England have guns, in case of a terrorist threat or something. B) countries in Europe that DO allow guns, like Switzerland, have a lot of regulations, I believe before you’re allowed to purchase a gun, the police have to come to your house to make sure you have a gun safe to lock it up in.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Firstly you’re a racist. As evidenced by your statement “start suppressing minority gangs”

        So objective reality is racist? Or do you just enjoy that your side gets to practice anarcho-tyranny in deep blue shitholes?

        Secondly, gun violence rates are low in Europe because A) some countries like England don’t allow guns, and the criminals generally can’t get them either.

        And? Doesn't refute the fact that most gun crime here is the result of criminal minority gangs.

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        "Minority gangs" is kind of redundant. It's like "lag behind" or "outer rim."

      3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Secondly, gun violence rates are low in Europe because they don't have gangs killing each other over who gets to sell drugs. They lack both the demand and the off-the-rails drug war that exist in this country.

        Remove gang related activity from the statistics and the rates of gun violence in this country aren't that different from Europe.

      4. Diarrheality   2 years ago

        You sound like someone who survives primarily on a diet of Doritos and Mountain Dew. Do you also leave bags of burning dog shit on the porches of little old ladies who shorted you a nickle for misrepresenting your lawn mowing skills?

        Your mom may forgive you for stealing money from her sock drawer to play Pokemon, but I don't. You don't get to lie just because you're retarded.

    4. Nardz   2 years ago

      Yep.
      Just look at what Bukele's accomplished

  10. (Impeach Biden) Weigel's Cock Ring   2 years ago

    Hey Mr. Goodhair, why don't you grow a set of balls already and throw your hat in the ring and take on Sleepy Joe instead of simply praying that today is the day he falls down, breaks his hip, and dies when you wake up every morning?

    And if you're too much of a pussy to do that, then just shut the hell up and focus in on trying to clean up your filthy, disgusting, dystopian, crime-ridden shithole big cities. They're an absolute embarrassment and a disgrace not just to you and your state but to the whole nation!

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      You'd rather have Newsom than Biden in the White House? Dude...

      1. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

        No, he's saying that Newsome should just admit he wants to be president.

    2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      He's young enough to wait for 2028.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        Not to worry; he'll continue to make a public ass of himself. He's too narcissistic to notice.

      2. CE   2 years ago (edited)

        But then he’ll have to contend with AOC’s juggernaut candidacy.

        1. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

          AOC might cause some probs for Gav as an opponent
          what Newsom focuses on

          1. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

            At leas he likes hot broads, and AFAIK, isn’t raping them. Aside from that and his lack of senility thus far, he’s as bad or worse than Biden.

    3. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

      Lol, this comment is so uninformed. In 2020, California ranks 17th in violent crime, with 1-10 (in order) being Alaska, New Mexico, Tennessee, Arkansas, Arizona, Louisiana, Missouri, South Carolina, and South Dakota… Call my crazy but I think Arizona is the only state in that list which voted for Biden. It almost would appear that conservatives are more likely to commit violent crime….

      If our big cities are so filthy, why are so many people from your state coming to California for vacation? ????

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Lol, this comment is so uninformed. In 2020, California ranks 17th in violent crime, with 1-10 (in order) being Alaska, New Mexico, Tennessee, Arkansas, Arizona, Louisiana, Missouri, South Carolina, and South Dakota… Call my crazy but I think Arizona is the only state in that list which voted for Biden. It almost would appear that conservatives are more likely to commit violent crime….

        1) New Mexico is blue, and has largely been for decades. Feel free to pull up the demographics from the other states, and where the crime takes place, to get the crime rates.

        You can thank the Republicans living in California's hinterlands and exurbs for your lower crime rates. That's when your commie DAs even bother to report or prosecute crime to begin with.

        If our big cities are so filthy, why are so many people from your state coming to California for vacation? ????

        Which state was that, shitlib? You don't even know where he lives. But we do know that your deep blue shitholes are crime-ridden sewers.

      2. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

        It is now 2023, but in the later half of 2020 into 2021 we had a big movements to "defund the police" and "criminal justice reform." Not to mention the soft on crime DAs like Alvin Bragg. All of these were pushed heavily in blue cities. So, the question is, what are the net effects of these changes now?

      3. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago

        “If our big cities are so filthy, why are so many people from your state coming to California for vacation? ????”

        Cite?

  11. Honest Economics   2 years ago

    For sound economic perspective please go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/

  12. Miss Ann Thrope   2 years ago

    First amendment to the Second Amendment.

  13. GroundTruth   2 years ago

    37 Gavin, 37. That's how many states you'll need to get to sign on to this.

    Ain't gonna happen.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      He knows that.

      1. GroundTruth   2 years ago

        So, what are you saying, he's just out for PR?

        Oh, wait, never mind, he's a politician; of course he's just looking to be noticed.

        1. Nina Jancowicz, Arbiter of Truth   2 years ago (edited)

          Virtue signaling, while trying to sound ‘presidential’. He’s also jealous of all the attention DeSantis is getting. Which is the basis for all his bitchy trolling.

  14. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    Can we convince Gov. Newson to carry that snowball to hell personally?

  15. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    This nonsense also indirectly illustrates the nonsensical notion of preventing disinformation from being spread on social media. There are at least a dozen statements by Newsom on the Twitter posts that are demonstrably false, yet no one seems to be calling upon Twitter to label it with a warning or discontinue Newsom's account.

    1. CE   2 years ago

      Don't worry, Newsom is working on his list of common sense restrictions on the First Amendment next.

    2. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

      I think they halted other accounts for spreading violence, not just misinformation

      1. TryLogic   2 years ago

        Misinformation is violence against the truth! Or some such. Just ask a liberal about anyone who's spreading "mis" information they disagree with. We can't allow the First Amendment to protect these miscreants, we need the government to snuff them out. I think that basically sums up the Marxist view.

  16. Brett Bellmore   2 years ago

    "California’s governor insists his “28th Amendment” would leave the right to arms “intact.”"

    No, he insists it would "leave the 2nd amendment intact". He's being a bit tricky here, in that the 2nd amendment would still be in the Bill of rights, hence "intact", it would 'just' no longer have any legal force.

    Repealing Prohibition left the Prohibition amendment "intact", in generally the same sense: You'll still see it if you look up the text of the Constitution, but it's no longer in force.

  17. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    just come out and say "we want to repeal the 2nd amendment" because frankly, that's the out come they really want and the "5 points" would essentially do that anyway as they'll just define "assault weapon" any which way they like, like they do now.

    1. CE   2 years ago (edited)

      “Arms” as the Founders understood the term, meant “assault weapons.” That’s what they wanted the people to have, to help defend the Republic without need of a standing army, and to help keep it a Republic by discouraging would-be tyrants like Newsom.

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        Indeed. It is about civilians owning military arms, i.e. "weapons of war". Not hunting or sport shooting.

      2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        yep it's the same disingenous sleight of hand they use when they try to imply the 2nd amentment is to protect hunters and their hunting rifles only.

      3. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

        So since the government has nuclear arms, then I, as a citizen, must surely be allowed to carry nuclear arms to defend myself from their tyranny right? There should be no limits on what type of arms people posses, isn’t that what you’re saying? Explosive arms, including pipe bombs, RPG, all should be legal?

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

          Huh. So governments have built and used all these weapons of war and mass murder and destruction for themselves and said we can't have any. And that's your argument in favor of government control?

        2. Diarrheality   2 years ago

          There should be no limits on what type of arms people posses. . .[e]xplosive arms, including pipe bombs, RPG, all should be legal?

          Yes. Now kindly fuck off.

        3. Nazi-Burning Witch   2 years ago

          Correct, those should all be legal.

  18. DonP   2 years ago

    LOL!!! Good luck with that ratification campaign. That Hair Gel has finally soaked into his brain.

    2/3 majority in both houses of Congress and 2/3 of State Legislatures approving? Considering that in the past 20 years Democrat gun Control fanatics have held both houses of Congress and the White House at the same time twice ... and passed zero gun legislation.

    Can't wait to see how "Flyover Country" feels about trying to cram your "West Coast" values down their throat.

    By all means, lead by example and be the first one to kick in a door to forcibly confiscate privately owned firearms. Start with Wyoming or Texas and keep us posted.

    1. ThomasPayne   2 years ago

      If they don’t want “west coast values” in Wyoming, they should stop accepting all our West Coast money!!! Wyoming is a liability (net drain) to the US treasury , and gets most of its money for roads and services from the wealthy states, like California and New York (assets to the country)

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        If they don’t want “west coast values” in Wyoming, they should stop accepting all our West Coast money!!!

        You mean all the Californians that use Teton County as a tax haven? I'm sure most of the state would be quite happy to see them fuck off back west, lol.

      2. Diarrheality   2 years ago

        Maybe you can take a few minutes away from giggling at the nicotine stains in your underwear to convince the good people of Wyoming how great that government dick you've been sucking really tastes.

  19. IamNotEvil   2 years ago

    I wonder if they realize that anyone that isn't directly reporting to DoD is a civilian by definition. This should mean that all non defense agencies and organizations would be violating the new amendment if they keep their assault weapons. Would be amusing to watch the logical contortions needed to both keep the amendment in force and not disarm every enforcement agency in the country.

    1. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

      They SPECIALIZE in logical contortions, Evil. That's what officials DO with their unlimited tax-funded resources and immunity from any adverse consequences that might result from violating their oaths to support and defend the Constitution. In fact almost all of them went to graduate school to learn in detail how to strain at gnats while swallowing elephants whole, perverting the English language in order to turn black into white.

    2. Duke of URL   2 years ago

      Obviously, Madison wrote the 2A, to guarantee that right for only the king's men.

  20. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    But Newsom....................

    YOU ARE the person behind the massacres, tragedy after tragedy and domestic terrorism.

  21. Sevo   2 years ago

    They give Sullum a non-TRUMP!!!!!!!! assignment now and then so all the spittle can dry off his keyboard.

  22. SMP0328   2 years ago

    Although Newsom insists that his plan would "leav[e] the Second Amendment intact," limiting the right to arms is the whole point of the proposal, which would authorize restrictions that federal courts otherwise might deem unconstitutional.

    1 - Thanks Governor Hair Gel for admitting your proposals would all be blatant violations of the Second Amendment.

    2 - His proposed amendment would leave the Second Amendment intact the same way the 21st Amendment left the 18th Amendment intact: the text would still be in the Constitution, but it would no longer have any legal force.

  23. Jerryskids   2 years ago

    Nobody is going to raise the point that California (the state Newsom is the governor of) already has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country and yet they're still awash in gun crimes? Which obviously means that Gavin Newsom is retarded.

    1. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

      "Nobody is going to raise the point that California (the state Newsom is the governor of) already has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country and yet they’re still awash in gun crimes?"

      Over the last thirty+ years, CA has passed some of the toughest anti-gun laws in the nation. Before it passed such laws, in any given year, CA would typically rank right around the middle of the States in homicide rates. After 30+ years of new gun regulations, it still ranks the same. Gee. Who could have predicted "It's not about the guns, stupid."

      1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

        But it did manage to put more people in prison.

        Most of the people who went to prison for violating these anti-gun laws were not Norwegian.

        1. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago

          "Most of the people who went to prison for violating these anti-gun laws were not Norwegian."

          Are you inferring that Norwegians are an "under-represented class?" Obviously, we need to fix this. /sarc

  24. Dillinger   2 years ago

    rather just repeal 16, 17, 19 lol please, 26

  25. Dillinger   2 years ago

    also where's the piece on the five million dollar bribe?

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      Their silence was bought with a half-empty box of Ritz crackers.

  26. jdgalt1   2 years ago (edited)

    I propose an alternative amendment, to spell out the meaning of the Equal Protection Clause as protecting only groups its writers intended. So, no discrimination laws protecting alphabet groups against the private sector, and no affirmative action for anybody.

    I’ll bet my amendment gets ratified by 38 states before Newsom’s can reach half that number. His will never reach 38 states in a thousand years.

  27. SMP0328   2 years ago

    This would be only the second or third time in U.S. history (depending on whether you count the income tax) that the Constitution was amended to restrict freedom rather than protect it.

    Other than the 16th Amendment (authorizing the federal income tax), to which amendments is he referring?

    1. Zeb   2 years ago

      Prohibition seems a fairly obvious answer.

    2. CE   2 years ago (edited)

      Prohibition (18th).
      Presidential term limits (22nd).

  28. Sevo   2 years ago

    Posted in the AM links:

    “Gavin Newsom Proposes 28th Amendment To U.S. Constitution To Curb Gun Violence”
    […]
    “California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) has proposed adding a new amendment to the United States Constitution to address the escalating gun violence crisis, his office announced Thursday.
    In a tweet, Newsom expressed the frustration of the American people with Congress’ inaction and highlighted the need for comprehensive gun safety measures through a new 28th Amendment, which, if passed, would restrict access to guns in all 50 states.
    “Every time it’s the same, they tell us, we can’t stop these massacres,” Newsom said in the announcement video. “They say we can’t stop domestic terrorism without violating the Second Amendment.”
    https://news.yahoo.com/gavin-newsom-proposes-28th-amendment-221452946.html?

    1. SMP0328   2 years ago (edited)

      “Gavin Newsom Proposes 28th Amendment To U.S. Constitution To Curb Gun Violence Effectively Repeal The Second Amendment”

      FTFY Yahoo News.

  29. CE   2 years ago

    And by "intact" he means in the sense that an elephant in a zoo has the right to roam freely, within the enclosure.

  30. Zeb   2 years ago (edited)
    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      fuck yeah. this ^^

      1. Zeb   2 years ago

        This guy gets it ^^

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

           

        2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          I can do it without editing 😉

  31. IceTrey   2 years ago

    I have my own proposal for a 28th amendment, "Government shall not initiate force."

  32. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

    Never forget this.

    The same side that accused cops of habitually hunting down and gunning down unarmed Black men, the same side that the criminal justice system is systemically racist…

    …is the same side that wants stricter gun control laws to be enforced by these very same cops in this very same system.

  33. Gregdn   2 years ago

    I have no problem raising the minimum age to buy firearms to 21, if they also raise the voting age accordingly.

  34. Fyathyrio   2 years ago

    Gavin is doing pro gun folks a great favor with this.

    - CA already has all these laws on the books.
    - Navin Gruesome says they need to be added to US Constitution.
    - Ergo, under the current constitution they are unconstitutional.

    Hopefully, the lawyers fighting the current CA laws are furiously writing briefs highlighting the governor's tacit admission that his state's laws are unconstitutional.

  35. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

    But he also lays into "NRA-owned politicians"

    When is the last time the NRA actually did anything?

  36. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    So annoying
    https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2023-06-09-jdj-to-garland-re-mal.pdf
    During his transcribed interview, Mr. D’Antuono detailed how he disagreed with the
    Justice Department’s approach to the raid and described several abnormalities about the
    Department’s actions in pursuing its investigation of President Trump:
    1. The Miami Field Office did not conduct the search. Mr. D’Antuono testified that FBI
    headquarters made the decision to assign the execution of the search warrant to the
    Washington Field Office (WFO) despite the location of the search occurring in the
    territory of the FBI’s Miami Field Office. Mr. D’Antuono stated that he had “absolutely
    no idea” why this decision was made and questioned why the Miami Field Office was not
    taking the lead on this matter.4 Mr. D’Antuono stated that the FBI “learned a lot of stuff
    from [the] Crossfire Hurricane” investigation—notably “that the [FBI] Headquarters does
    not work the investigation, it is supposed to be the field offices working the
    investigations.”5 Mr. D’Antuono indicated that his “concern is that [the] DOJ was not
    following the same principles . . . .”6
    In fact, as recently as May 2023, in response to the
    report of Special Counsel Durham, the FBI asserted that “investigations should be run out
    of the Field” and not from Washington, D.C.7
    2. The Department did not assign a U.S. Attorney’s Office to the matter. According to
    Mr. D’Antuono, it was unusual to not have a U.S. Attorney assigned to an investigative
    matter, especially a matter of this magnitude. He explained that he “didn’t understand
    why there wasn’t a US Attorney assigned” and “raised this concern a lot with”
    Department officials because this was out of the ordinary.
    8 Mr. D’Antuono indicated that
    he “never got a good answer” and was told that the National Security Division would be
    handling this matter—with Jay Bratt, who leads the Department’s counterintelligence
    division, as “the lead prosecutor on the case.”
    9 Mr. Bratt is the same Department lawyer
    who allegedly improperly pressured a lawyer representing an employee of President
    Trump.10 Mr. D’Antuono again noted his concern regarding lessons learned from
    Crossfire Hurricane, that the Justice Department was not following the principle that
    “Headquarters does not work the investigation . . . .”11
    3. The FBI did not first seek consent to effectuate the search. Mr. D’Antuono recounted
    a meeting between FBI and Department officials during which the Department
    assertively pushed for the FBI to promptly execute the search warrant.12 Based upon his
    over-20-year tenure at the FBI, Mr. D’Antuono testified that he believed that the FBI, prior to resorting to a search warrant, should have sought consent to search the premises.
    He testified that this outcome would have been “the best thing for all parties” involved—
    “[f]or the FBI, for former President Trump, and for the country . . . .”13 Mr. D’Antuono
    indicated a belief that either you or Director Christopher Wray made the decision to seek
    a search warrant, despite opposition from the line agents working this case in the WFO.
    14
    Following that meeting, Mr. D’Antuono described how Justice Department
    counterintelligence official George Toscas—who also reportedly worked on the
    “Crossfire Hurricane and Clinton email investigations”15—told him that FBI agents were
    ready to execute the warrant.16 Mr. D’Antuono pushed back on the Department for trying
    to unilaterally allocate FBI resources.17
    4. The FBI refused to wait for President Trump’s attorney to be present before
    executing the search. Mr. D’Antuono testified that the FBI sought to exclude President
    Trump’s attorney from the search, a move with which Mr. D’Antuono disagreed.18 Mr.
    D’Antuono believed that the FBI should have worked with the attorney to get consent to
    search the residence prior to seeking a warrant for the search. Mr. D’Antuono believes
    that “there was a good likelihood that [they] could have gotten consent . . . .”19

  37. Truthteller1   2 years ago

    Sullum would still vote for Newsome if he were the candidate.

  38. Hattori Hanzo   2 years ago

    Can't we build a wall on our border with CA already?

  39. Rich   2 years ago

    "raises the minimum age to purchase a firearm from 18 to 21, because if you can't buy a beer, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun"

    "raises the minimum age to purchase a firearm from 18 to 25, because if you can't rent a car, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun"

    "raises the minimum age to purchase a firearm from 18 to 65, because if you can't qualify for Medicare, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun"

    "imposes a minimum height to purchase a firearm, because if you can't ride a roller coaster, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun"

    ...

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Better to go the other way: if you are old enough to change your gender, you are old enough to have a gun.

  40. Unable2Reason   2 years ago

    But how are trans people that are being massacred in massive numbers of hate crimes going to defend themselves against the roving bands of MAGA Republicans that have been hunting them down relentlessly for decades? As it is now, their only effective defense so far has been belt fed .50 machine guns. Surely Newsom will put an exemption in for this. Otherwise, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE!

  41. StevenF   2 years ago

    Newsom's proposed 28th amendment wouldn't CHANGE the 2nd amendment any more than the 21st amendment CHANGED the 18th amendment. A complete REPEAL doesn't change the prior amendment. It just invalidates it.

  42. Real American   2 years ago

    Maybe if these polls called them "unicorn rainbow puppy dog safety friends" instead of "assault weapons" the results would be different.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      How 'bout Equity Enforcement Implements?

  43. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

    Gavin Newsom Wants To 'Permanently Enshrine' His Own Fucking Stupidity in the U.S. Constitution

  44. BarkingSpider   2 years ago

    Pay no attention as these are the ramblings of a mindless, communist lunatic.

  45. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

    The amendment we need most of all would be a lifetime limit of two terms for any person to hold elected office, which may not be consecutive. Politics should never have been allowed to become a career.

    -jcr

  46. ElvisP   2 years ago (edited)

    I could actually go along with Newsome’s proposal to raise the age for purchasing a firearm to 21, provided it also raises the ages to vote and be drafted into the armed services to 21, as well.

  47. Ride 'Em   2 years ago

    His first example of ignorance in his statement was that assault weapons were not imagined. Quite the contrary, most weapons of the day were assault weapons and owned by citizens. Additionally, multishot firearms were being built as early as the 1580's by German gun makers using wheel locks. Further, the Continental Congress rejected a proposal from inventor Joseph Belton as too expensive for a flintlot firearm that shot 16 rounds in 20 seconds. This was in 1777. So, the Founding Fathers would have knowledge in 1791 of assault rifles or now called weapons of war including machine gun like firearms.

  48. AT   2 years ago

    >"those weapons of war our founding fathers never foresaw"

    This line cracks me up. A) it's historically inaccurate; and B) it asks you to believe that the Founders were concerned the specifics of how we self-defend and safeguard liberty. As if it matters.

    Here's what the founding fathers never foresaw: they never foresaw a society so divorced from the means of their luxury and comfort, with such a sense of decadent entitlement, and that has become so morally bankrupt as a result that it would voluntarily abdicate the safeguards they left in place and ultimately lead to gender deviant teens gleefully killing school children or Americans so radicalized by its enemies that they eagerly engage in indiscriminate violence and call it "justice" (social or otherwise).

    They didn't see that coming. They assumed that Americans were better people than that, and always would be. They even admitted as much:

    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    Newsom (like so many others) wrongly blames the Constitution instead of the "any other."

  49. Fetterman's Hump   2 years ago

    So, the bill of rights is a list of constraints on government power and an affirmation of freedom for US citizens.

    Newsom, and the Democrat party are furious that the government is constrained at all, and that ordinary citizens are free to conduct their lives as they see fit.

    I have heard a lot of bleating about "fascism" lately. In light of the previous two paragraphs, who are the fascists?

  50. Panhandle   2 years ago

    As we all know and the papers confirm every day, gun control laws, whether or not they are enshrined in the US Constitution, only keep guns out of the hands of mentally capable, law abiding citizens. In the local paper I read, almost every one (above 90%) of the people arrested who are already convicted felons, have a firearm in their possession. This is amazing since there are both federal and state laws that outlaw this behavior.
    And I would be remiss if I did not ad, Gavin Newsom is a GD idiot.

  51. Mr. Wheat   2 years ago

    "...because if you can't buy a beer, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun;"

    Conversely, if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.

  52. Roger Wilco   2 years ago

    Newsome is grandstanding for the leftists who will be voting in the presidential primaries. He did the same thing with the California Reparations Task Force and had to backtrack when the recommendations came out that would cost twice the total California state budget. He probably won't have to deal with that on his gun control ideas because there's no way to get two-thirds of the states to sign on. So he riles up the gun owners and sooths the gun phobics. Win win for him.

  53. Roughneck   2 years ago

    Dimocrats are known for passing laws which are meaningless, and for plans that ultimately result in failure. To allow Newsom to author anything immediately makes it suspect.

  54. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

    Seems nothing in this proposed amendment addresses actual criminals but in typical Democratic style focuses on law abiding gun owners. It is a “ supply side” approach that will engender tremendous opposition that dooms it to failure, but much easier than taking on transgressors who, by definition, just do not follow laws. This is the failure of “gun” control vs criminal control.

  55. JohnZ   2 years ago

    Never take anything this clown hat says as true or factual and always understand that what he says is not what he means.
    Newsom is a dangerous narcissist and coupled with post modernist neo-Marxism makes him a dangerous threat to freedom.I consider Newsom as a dangerous threat to America.
    California under this absolutely putrid example of a human being has fallen and it can't get back up. It's on a dreadful decline never seen before . Frisco is circling the drain, L.A. is a no go zone, San Diego is no better. Instead of attempting to fix the problems they are facing, like the homeless situation, out of control crime and so many businesses leaving the state, probably forever, instead the idiots in Sacramento decide to criminalize parents who refuse to recognize a child's gender dysphoria.
    Just remember, Newsom will do to America what he did to California.

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  56. MakeOrwellFictionAgain   2 years ago

    See little Gavin build straw men.
    See little Gavin throw a tantrum and knock them down.
    Poor little narcissist Newsom.
    Many of Gavin and his democrat cultists "common sense" gun laws have been declared unconstitutional and more will be shortly as well. It's clear Gavin is peacocking and trying to be president while the dystopian state he created, California, decays and atrophies as a result of his party's policies and corruption.

  57. MakeOrwellFictionAgain   2 years ago

    "I'm here to say that's a lie." And nobody would know a lie better than Gavin Newsom as deceit and deception are his stock and trade.

  58. MakeOrwellFictionAgain   2 years ago

    Newsom has wet dreams about having the kind of power and unilateral authority Stalin, Castro, Pot, Genghis Khan and Mao Zedong. Destroying the once great state of California is not enough for Gavin "The Joker" Newsom. He will not stop until the USA and then the World are on fire. He just likes to see things burn. He's mentally ill.

  59. Religion and Politics, my life   2 years ago

    Legally, that would remove effectively any idea of organic founding documents. THis would be a God-given right taken back from God.

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