Stop Piling Charges on Mom of 6-Year-Old Shooter
Plus: Michigan Supreme Court takes up case on warrantless drone spying, Obamacare legal battles continue, and more...
Virginia shooter's mom charged with being an unlawful user of a controlled substance in possession of a firearm. It's inevitable that people want to legally blame Deja Taylor for the actions of her 6-year-old son, who brought a gun to school back in January and shot his teacher, Abby Zwerner. Perhaps Taylor does deserve legal culpability, though that certainly depends on the circumstances by which her son got his hands on the gun. In any event, state charges for child neglect and failing to properly secure a handgun should be sufficient to sort that out.
But law enforcement isn't stopping there. Because those running our criminal justice system can't seem to resist ruining lives to the maximum extent possible, Taylor also faces a federal felony gun charge.
Taylor legally purchased the gun that her son later used to shoot his teacher. But federal prosecutors say that Taylor is a marijuana user, and thus the purchase violated a federal prohibition on illegal drug users buying or owning firearms.
Keep in mind that recreational marijuana is legal in Virginia, where Taylor lives. But because marijuana is still illegal under federal law, prosecutors are still able to go after Taylor for violating the prohibition against illegal drug users owning guns.
The federal charges against Taylor highlight several related injustices. First and foremost, they showcase one of the ways in which continued federal criminalization of marijuana can still be used to target people in states where marijuana is legal.
The charges are also a reminder of how ridiculous federal gun control laws can be. Under the law in question, no one needs to prove that a gun was used in a drug-related crime, nor that drug use somehow contributed to a gun owner doing something reckless or violent. The mere fact that one has used marijuana (or any other criminalized drug) in the past 12 months renders one's Second Amendment rights invalid, according to this statute. Consume marijuana even once during this period and your legally purchased and maintained gun suddenly becomes illegal.
Of course, plenty of gun owners also use marijuana and the vast majority will not face criminal charges. Enforcing this rule in a widespread way would be prohibitively difficult and invasive. But if one happens to get caught with marijuana and one owns a gun, it's a different story.
The rule doesn't stop drug users from owning guns so much as it adds an extra level of punishment to a prosecutor's arsenal when they do bust someone for drugs. In this way, the law lends itself to being used in a discriminatory manner and as a bargaining chip to coerce people into pleading guilty to drug crimes.
It's unclear how the feds came to suspect Taylor of using marijuana. But if she did, it means she lied on the federal background check required of gun users, which asks "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?" Taylor is now accused of saying no to that question "when in fact, as she knew then, she was an unlawful user of marijuana," per charging documents.
Taylor stands accused in federal court of being an unlawful user of a controlled substance in possession of a firearm and making a false statement during a firearm purchase.
"The maximum sentence for the two federal charges is 25 years combined," notes The Virginian-Pilot. "Taylor is expected to plead guilty to both charges by way of a plea agreement in the coming weeks."
"The federal law that says marijuana users can't simultaneously possess a firearm has come under increased scrutiny by federal judges in recent years as more states have moved toward weed legalization," notes the paper:
In February, a federal judge in Oklahoma ruled the prohibition to be an unconstitutional infringement on the Second Amendment's right to bear arms. That judge cited a U.S. Supreme Court decision from last year that said restrictions on gun rights can't go beyond those that were in place at the time of the nation's founding.
But in the Fourth Circuit, which includes Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina and South Carolina, the restriction is still in place.
The drugs/gun law in this case also factors into potential charges against President Joe Biden's son Hunter. If he is charged, Hunter Biden will reportedly challenge the law as unconstitutional.
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Michigan's Supreme Court will hear a case concerning whether police can use drones to warrantlessly spy on citizens. Last year, a state appeals court said it was OK for a town to use drone surveillance without obtaining a warrant. Reason's Joe Lancaster writes:
Todd and Heather Maxon live on a five-acre property in rural Long Lake Township on the northwest corner of Michigan's Lower Peninsula. Todd likes to work on cars, so they keep vehicles on the property but hidden from the road. In 2007, the township sued the Maxons for storing "junk" on their property, a zoning violation. The couple fought back and won: The township agreed to drop the case and reimburse attorney fees, and in exchange the Maxons would not expand their collection.
According to the township, neighbors complained that the Maxons were still acquiring cars. But the cars weren't visible from the road, making enforcement difficult. So the township hired a company to fly drones over the property and take pictures, which it did multiple times in the period from 2010 to 2018. The pictures allegedly showed that the number of vehicles had indeed expanded, so the township sued the Maxons for violating the previous agreement.
The Maxons moved to suppress the drone evidence as a Fourth Amendment violation, since the township never got a warrant. The trial court ruled against them, so they appealed to the Michigan Court of Appeals, which agreed with the Maxons. But on appeal from the township, the state Supreme Court remanded the decision back to the appeals court to determine "whether the exclusionary rule applies to this dispute." (The exclusionary rule prevents evidence from being used at trial if the government violated the Constitution to collect it.)
On its second bite at the apple, the township was successful: In a decision written by Chief Judge Elizabeth Gleicher, the appeals court determined that the "exclusionary rule does not apply in this civil matter." The inclusion of the word civil is important, because the decision hinged on the fact that this was not a criminal case. "The exclusionary rule is an essential tool for enforcing the meaning of the Fourth Amendment and discouraging law enforcement officers from trampling on constitutional rights," Gleicher wrote. But since the township intended "not to penalize the Maxons, but to abate a nuisance," she concluded, the exclusionary rule "serves no valuable function" in this case.
Now the state Supreme Court will weigh in once again.
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Obamacare legal battles continue, with "free" preventative services under scrutiny. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit will hear arguments today concerning the Affordable Care Act (ACA) mandate that health insurance plans must cover certain preventative services with no upfront cost to customers. The ACA says insurers must provide this "free" coverage for whatever services the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force deems appropriate.
Last September, a federal judge in Texas struck down the preventive care mandates issued by the task force and, in March, issued a nationwide injunction. In May, the 5th Circuit temporarily froze that ruling.
The appeals court must now decide whether to lift that freeze. If it does, "there would no longer be federal legal obligation for them to cover those services without cost-sharing," as Andrew Twinamatsiko of Georgetown's O'Neill Institute told Axios.
Either way, the ruling will likely be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
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• The Food and Drug Administration has revoked emergency authorization of Johnson & Johnson's single-dose COVID-19 vaccine at the request of the company.
• Former Vice President Mike Pence has filed paperwork declaring he intends to run for president on the Republican ticket.
• "A state school board in Oklahoma voted Monday to approve what would be the first publicly funded religious school in the nation, despite a warning from the state's attorney general that the decision was unconstitutional," reports Yahoo News.
• "Hookup culture" is a myth, writes Cathy Reisenwitz.
• The death of self-driving cars is greatly exaggerated, suggests Timothy B. Lee.
• Texas is the latest state to ban gender transition treatments such as puberty blockers and synthetic hormones for minors.
• Vermont Gov. Phil Scott, a Republican, won't approve a bill that makes it illegal for police to use deception and coercion in interrogations of minors and adults under 22 years old.
• Grammarly is supposed to flag things like grammar and spelling mistakes. But it's also started flagging sentences for not being sufficiently progressive.
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She should have armed herself.
She clearly never watched ‘Unforgiven’.
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https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1666021219596902400?t=ZcD4lfW5RYYrLk1koR8itA&s=19
Washington Post article from December 2022 said Ukraine “conducted a test strike” on the Nova Kakhovka dam in preparation for its offensive in Kherson
[Pic]
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1666064477253521415?t=ZdVd0_JaF5T9DimWGBuI4A&s=19
The Kahovka Dam is under Ukrainian shelling again, to break it fully and cause a tsunami instead of a slow flooding.
[Video]
https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1666085826776944641?t=eGcb2OOSoOAqutwc9FM5jA&s=19
Ukraine has opened the gates at the Dnieper dam upstream of Nova Kakhovka. Doing what they can to intensify the flooding.
A new wave of fighting.
Everything is going swimmingly.
Putin going to be very crabby after hearing this
He’s usually in such a sunny mood.
There’s something fishy about the reports, though.
I predict a raft of new offensives.
Can’t find anything about it on my news stream.
They’re certainly making a splash. Let’s hope they don’t take a bath on this one.
It feels to me like these shysters in Ukraine are pulling the exact same crap on us as that bullshit provisional government in Afghanistan did for all those years.
This is yet another fucking scam mainly designed to swindle as much money as possible from Ametica’s dumb rube leaders and taxpaying suckers for as long as they can possibly can.
And once we’ve finally decided we’ve had enough and cut them off, they’re going to instantly fold like a cheap suit and disappear into the wind the same way that fake Afghanistan government did.
Hopefully this time the con job doesn’t go on for twenty more fucking years!
But we get to post little Ukraine flag emojis and yard signs. And fight against The Putin (and by association, The Trump).
ROLL TIDE!
A horrible waste of energy and resources, but nothing new here and somewhat understandable in the context.
The people of the Netherlands were willing to break their own dams to flood their own lands and keep out The Spanish Inquisition during The Eighties Years War and to keep out the Nazis in World War II…and The Netherlands is almost entirely below sea level.
Super Soakers: When the Dutch Used Floods as Weapons By Matt Soniak | Jul 14, 2015https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/65589/super-soakers-when-dutch-used-floods-weapons
The Dutch knew then and the Ukrainians know now that as horrible and damaging as floods can be, tyranny is even worse.
You can rebuild a home as long as you are an rational, able, free, sovereign human being, but once freedom is gone, all is lost.
And again, none of this would be happening if Putin had never invaded. Please put that in the notes for your paymaster.
Please put that in the notes for your paymaster.
Holy hell are you grasping at straws! Are you aware of the history of which you speak? Did you even read your own source?
I assume even if you had a paymaster it’s not like they fastidiously review the notes of your online retard demonstrations. For your own sake, stop embarrassing yourself in favor of a money laundering operation as war that’s got nothing to do with the US (except laundering money).
Why do these faggots so consistently never read past the blurb they see on the Google entry?
Why do you knuckle-draggers not read the actual article in it’s entirety and think of the implications beyond historical names, dates, and events? (See below.)
Like, for instance, maybe the fact that The Netherlands isn’t today under Papal or Nazi tyranny?
Yes, I read my source. The flooding created a buffer which kept the Spanish Inquisitors at a distance from the “Beggars” as the resisters were called.
the flood zone, de Kraker says, “was gradually considered to be a rather practical solution to avoid any kind of hostile engagement in the field.”
And reading further, Eisenhower’s flooding operations did successfully keep out the Nazis:
In 1944, General Eisenhower ordered the flooding of Walcheren island to clear the Nazis out so the Allies could take control of Antwerp and shipping routes on the Scheldt River. The Allies bombed Walcheren’s seawall at four locations, flooding 70 percent of the island within a day and forcing the Nazis to quickly abandon it.
Bear in mind also that flood waters can carry hazardous chemicals from the Earth and biohazards from dead animals and their waste, can conceal dangerous objects that can wreck boats and injure and kill wading troops, can cause deadly falls if fast-running and as little as 6 Inches, and can rust, corrode, and jam armaments.
And while it was unjust that Dutch citizens didn’t get just compensation and lost whole villages, the Dutch got to tell their tormenters: “If we can’t have it, you won’t either!”
Yeah, it’s a Jim Steinman lyric come to life, but in a hopeless war situation, that’s how it’s done, Son!
Your paymaster can end this shit anytime he wants.
I wish there were credible sources of news about the Ukraine war.
There abso-fucking-lutely aren’t any
Why? Are you really conflicted about the value of a non-NATO member nation against Russia to the US? Even if you take all the reporting at arms’ length it’s still a huge flaming pile of dogshit that no one should ever have touched.
I mean… Oh Holy Fuck!
Oh, sweet Jesus bumping this up:
White House Knew of Ukrainian Plot to Blow Up Nord Stream Pipeline Months in Advance: Report
But since the township intended “not to penalize the Maxons, but to abate a nuisance,” she concluded, the exclusionary rule “serves no valuable function” in this case.
And what happens if the property owners refuse to cooperate with the township’s abatement ideas?
What is this “property” you speak of?
Something the government owns, and allows us to use so long as we pay the rent on time.
Where I live, the drone would have been shot down.
The drugs/gun law in this case also factors into potential charges against President Joe Biden’s son Hunter. If he is charged, Hunter Biden will reportedly challenge the law as unconstitutional.
Why do I get the feeling that this tacked-on afterthought is the main reason for the whole article?
What, you don’t think Hunter Biden is a second amendment warrior and hero to guns rights advocates everywhere?
Everyone is only concerned about hunter’s penis.
“Dick pics… Nooooo, don’t look at those emails, there’s dick pics… No, look at the dick pics… dick pics? Please look?” – t. Buttplug
In the 21st century, the right to own a gun is just as suspect as the right to own a penis.
But only one is typically detachable.
The right to dispense with your, or your child’s, penis is sacred.
And an artist!
You know who else was a failed artist?
Obamacare legal battles continue, with “free” preventative services under scrutiny.
How dare you deploy scare quotes.
Grammarly is supposed to flag things like grammar and spelling mistakes. But it’s also started flagging sentences for not being sufficiently progressive.
Newspeak V12.3
It’s not enough to say it, one must also believe it.
I wonder how it responds to a hard R.
Buttplug probably gets dinged with that all the time
Will it accept dinger?
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Seriousry?
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“But it’s also started flagging sentences for not being sufficiently progressive.”
Have you been to a college campus in the past decade?
Graduate student unions hardest hit.
The Food and Drug Administration has revoked emergency authorization of Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose COVID-19 vaccine at the request of the company.
One can only imagine the backroom deals that led to this development.
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With no downsides!
And guaranteed profits!
What is something no vaccine ever has ever been.
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“Initial results from a clinical trial show a patch device delivering a Covid-19 vaccine is well tolerated by recipients and triggers a measurable immune response.”
covid is topical?
edit: was scrolling up … I see it is
what about no vax but love needles?
A nice, big “Pfuck Pfizer!” tattoo?
This is a weird boast after your comment above. Do you care to talk about the downsides? Like the reactions to the vaccine? The short term response? The latest study showing multiple vaccines makes people more susceptible to catching covid? Covid is low risk for the vast majority of kids? Also a low risk for the vast majority of adults?
Or are you still going with trust the narrative?
Everyone I know who has had COVID requiring medical treatment had an mRNA shot before. No one I know who did not have an mRNA shot has had COVID at all.
At least you can admit you’re a disingenuous fuck nugget.
I was in the military and deployed. I’ve had more inoculations than you will ever see you subnormal bitch. But not being some leftist drone, like you, I am discerning about which vaccines I receive.
I sure as shit am not going to be told what to put in my body by you, and your faggot fellow travelers.
Former Vice President Mike Pence has filed paperwork declaring he intends to run for president on the Republican ticket.
Previous administrations’ vice presidents, he’s seen recently, need not be competent to achieve the White House
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1665758167127449600?t=Q2yahOIoZsLtNiNsdgd7dinner?
Now that Mike Pence has entered the race, let me tell y’all some inside info:
In the days leading up to J6, I was informed by trusted sources that Pence wasn’t going to contest the rigged electoral college results.
I couldn’t believe it. How could he backstab 74 million people & allow fraud to overthrow our executive branch?
But then I was told why…
He cut a deal with the Koch fundraising network to be their lead horse in 2024 if he backstabbed Trump and the MAGA movement in 2020.
To those that say he didn’t have the power to contest fraudulent ballots and allow state legislatures to conduct further review, then why did they change the Electoral College Act in 2022 to explicitly state the VP could no longer facilitate that exact process?
Because Pence could and he knew it, but he took the blood money anyway.
We are not in this situation because of President Trump.
We are here b/c powerful forces worked to “fortify” the 2020 election and coward RINOs like Mike Pence partnered with them.
Let’s show Judas what we think of his backstabbing in the ballot box.
Unlike Haley, who’s deluded herself into believing that she’s a serious candidate, Pence is clearly running here for fundraising purposes, because he has to know that he has absolutely no shot to get the nomination. At this point, it’s Trump, DeSantis, and maybe Tim Scott as a, erm, dark horse who has the personality to gain just enough broad support that the first two can’t to maybe force an actual vote at the convention.
Vivek has an outside lane.
He f’d up by saying trannies can stay in the military.
Tim Scott is garbage, but he’ll get maybe on as a VP.
That’s a vanity run, to be blunt. There’s no way the powers that be will let someone like him near the office. He’s either going to get marginalized in the media, or some scandal is going to come out if he starts to make a push.
Trump was a unicorn that we may not ever see again–a legitimate political outsider who mainly got in due to a very unique set of socio-economic circumstances that the elites were completely unprepared to engage at the time. The only other candidate who even got close to Trump’s accomplishments in the last 50 years has been Perot, and the fact that he dropped out under incredibly shady circumstances when he had actually led in the polls, only to re-enter when all is momentum had died, is an indication of what the elites do to people who threaten their status quo, even if they are “made men” like Perot and Trump were.
There’s no way the powers that be will let someone like him near the office.
Said the same about Trump. Just saying.
And they’ve learned their lesson. They’ll do him five times as hard if he looks like a real threat.
Everything they did from December 2016 to January 2021–from jannying social media to flouting election laws to fomenting race riots to causing mass medical hysteria–was done solely in service of making sure that someone like Trump never posed a threat to their sinecures and globohom ambitions.
If Trump gets the nomination, they’ll run the exact same playbook.
Honestly, I think they’ll do it to anyone at this point.
He was too far into the covid surveillance machine, IMO. Ran a ‘health sharing’ company that has some serious ethical shortcomings.
Too bad, too, because what he says is mostly good.
“Pence is clearly running here for fundraising purposes, because he has to know that he has absolutely no shot to get the nomination.”
Same with Chris Christie. There’s a heavy chance he’s doing it for the largesse from donors who’ve been living off the fat of the land.
He Ain’t Heavy, He’s My Brother
And there’s a fat chance Christie will make it through the primaries. However, he’ll be living large off his donors. Maybe he can join up for bipartisanship with JB Pritzker. It’ll be a big event.
/BTW, I’m here through Thursday and remember to tip your server.
Tim Scott a dark horse? So he’s a BBC (big black candidate ).
Or even sapient.
On the other hand, Mike Pence is the whitest white guy since Pat Boone.
Racism looks good on you
Self hating honky White Mike.
A state school board in Oklahoma voted Monday to approve what would be the first publicly funded religious school in the nation, despite a warning from the state’s attorney general that the decision was unconstitutional…
I take it this isn’t simply another Church of Woke faith-based public school.
Wokianity.
Funny, you don’t look Wokish.
Wait until the first Muslim madrassa gets public school funding. The Supreme court Catholics may not like that because it’s not ‘their’ religion.
I’m sure that’s how they think.
Imagine being this stupid and partisan but still posting.
Neither Christian Church Schools nor Muslim Madrassas nor the schools of any other religion should be subsidized by taxpayers. Where is this God they worship to help them?
Apparently the Koran and the New Testament have some ideas.
Begging The Question Fallacy, oh, and Invalid Appeal To Authority Fallacy. Something kids might learn if Education were Separate from Religion and State grifters.
Refund the property taxes and maybe they can afford tuition
Absolutely. Make everyone’s taxes lower or (ideally) none, so everyone can afford the education they want and invest in creating new schools, curricula, and education technology.
But do not give subsidies and trick cut-outs in the tax code for some and not others, especially on the basis of religion!
If this religious school subsidy in Oklahoma stands without getting struck down by the Courts, other States will have the green light to try it and every religion with a school will line up for the Gummint Cheez Giveaway. Then private and homeschooling/unschooling education will be forever tethered to Culture War craziness instead of spelling bee champions and STEM geniuses.
Uh, no. It’s St. Isadore of Seville Virtual Charter School, part of the same Catholic Church that is getting Diocese after Diocese sued into bankruptcy because that Church covered up for sexual abuse by it’s Clergy.
This is what “letting the taxmoney follow the student” really means. Complete Separation of Religion and State and complete Separation of Education and State is the only way to end such taxpayer funding of child abuse.
“Hookup culture” is a myth, writes Cathy Reisenwitz.
That’s what Irving told her, anyway. Ack!
My aunt had a Cathy book on her shelf when I was a kid. I thought she was the only person I knew who liked that cartoon, but I later found out someone had given it to her and she’d never actually read it.
This woman is so full of shit. If we’re living in this sexless age, as she claims, where are all the female virgins? Just watch the Whatever podcast on Youtube. Or count up the number of people using Tinder, et al., hookup apps. Or watch the second episode of the documentary ” Hot Girls Wanted” on Netflix where this 40 year old guy is banging an endless stream of 20-somethings with numerous 3-ways and ass-eating experiences under their belts. The sexless are composed largely of men who are invisible to most women and women who have been through the ringer and are tired of being used as cum dumpsters. Most any woman can get laid any.time.she.wants. And they do…repeatedly.
It seems like in reality 15% of the single heterosexual guys are banging 80% of the women, and the other 85% are staying at home playing video games and masturbating to anime.
Hell yeah!
Jacking it jacking it jacking tooo Yuyu Hakusho!
It’s a hard job, but somebody has to do it.
That was probably how access to women worked for most of human history.
Yup.
Well, there’s no risk of disease or unwanted pregnancy from that, so win-win! 🙂
The death of self-driving cars is greatly exaggerated…
Death by them, however…
Lacking souls, they can never truly die.
Maybe a rewrite of Christine is in order. 😉
No joke that car didn’t identify as trans, so the entire book is transphobic and needs a rewrite. Sometimes car xe was a manual but sometimes car xe identified as an automatic
Missed you already had the joke. Good work.
Kia has a Soul.
And it’s filled with hamsters.
Who just stole the car using pliers.
The Choice Is Yours. 🙂
https://youtu.be/Oz_AhAN0s4E
Texas is the latest state to ban gender transition treatments such as puberty blockers and synthetic hormones for minors.
Genocidal maniacs.
But that should be fine since it wasn’t happening anyway, right Mike?
“It doesn’t happen, but the implication of a ban is anti-libertarian” – Mike
I happen to think it’s *very* libertarian to defend the innocent.
Vermont Gov. Phil Scott, a Republican, won’t approve a bill that makes it illegal for police to use deception and coercion in interrogations of minors and adults under 22 years old.
Teach your kids to lawyer up.
Wait, I thought people can choose to be minors at least until 26.
As long as it’s legal for the cops to lie to citizens, it should be legal for citizens to lie to cops.
Grammarly is supposed to flag things like grammar and spelling mistakes. But it’s also started flagging sentences for not being sufficiently progressive.
“It looks like you’re trying to be a bigot. Would you like help not being that, bigot?”
“I can hear your confession if you like.”
Won’t it have to know your ethnicity in order to know what words you’re allowed to use?
Dan Drezner on the trouble with efforts to revamp CNN.
Swamps, once they develop, are forever.
Cool, rapist cops hiding behind immigrants hiding behind white middle class progressives to get away with it.
Sheffield grooming gang victim claims South Yorkshire Police officer was among abusers
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/sheffield-grooming-gang-victim-claims-180932627.html
If you can’t beat em, join em?
Every word of this headline is a further descent into Hell.
The Rockefeller Foundation and World Health Organization Announce Partnership to Expand Global Pandemic Preparedness in Era of Climate Change
https://www.mypanhandle.com/business/press-releases/cision/20230523DC08053/the-rockefeller-foundation-and-world-health-organization-announce-partnership-to-expand-global-pandemic-preparedness-in-era-of-climate-change/
Ew. Impressively horrifying, but still ew.
That is an amazing virtue signal. Don’t even think Mike could top it.
Needs moar trans inclusive stuff.
And open borders.
Your conquerors don’t have to follow the rules.
Parents infuriated as migrants enroll in Chicago schools without health records after years of COVID rules
https://www.foxnews.com/media/parents-infuriated-migrants-enroll-chicago-schools-without-health-records-years-covid-rules
…”Right now in the school district in which we live we have to provide residency, citizenship, health records and vaccination records on an almost annual basis. I have a child right now, and I must have five emails in my inbox stating that my child cannot return to school next year without a specific vaccine. So it’s certainly inconsistent with what they’re allowing for the migrant children coming into the Chicago public schools.”
Minnesota to provide illegal immigrants with free college tuition
https://alphanews.org/minnesota-to-provide-illegal-immigrants-with-free-college-tuition/
Coming soon: free firearms for illegal migrants.
“Expected Cost for Illinois’ non-citizen healthcare program grows to $1.1 billion”
https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/politics/state/2023/05/05/expected-cost-for-illinois-noncitizen-health-care-program-grows-to-1-1-billion/70184797007/
Michigan Man Gets Community Service for Shooting Anti-Abortion Campaigner
https://www.9and10news.com/2023/05/24/michigan-man-gets-community-service-for-shooting-anti-abortion-campaigner/
Kreeger also must pay $347.19 in restitution and cannot have any contact with the woman he shot, 84-year-old Joan Jacobson.
Medicare is so cheap.
But should be denied to Jacobson on political grounds.
Michigan Man Gets Community Service for Shooting Anti-Abortion Campaigner
What, no medal?
Michigan Man Gets Community Service for Shooting Anti-Abortion Campaigner
Buttplug, Sqrlsy, TJJ2200 weep with anger over the poor man’s plight.
Mike looks the other way and asks again, “if the left is so bad how come all the violence comes from the right?”
Jeff wonders if he shot her with a squirt gun, because there’s nothing in the article that says what kind of gun it is, so it could’ve been a squirt gun. That’d explain the light sentence. Occams razor, mmmm?
Liberal Intolerance.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/06/what-is-a-woman-and-the-rise-of-liberal-intolerance/
Originally released last year, “What Is a Woman?” was due to be re-released via the “Daily Wire’s” Twitter account last Thursday to coincide with the start of Pride month. But then something strange happened.
This is the challenge that confronts liberals – how can we maximise personal liberty while managing the conflicts that ensue? Sadly, too many liberals, supportive of trans rights, respond to the conflict between trans rights and women’s rights by labelling those sticking up for women as hateful bigots who need to be suppressed, cancelled and so on. This is not the triumph for kindness that many right-on liberals think it is. No, it is what happens when liberalism falls apart.
Sadly, it sometimes feels as if my fellow liberals are afraid of a documentary like “What Is a Woman?”, because they don’t want to have their views questioned. And so they celebrate its censorship on Twitter and other tech platforms. To them I would say, watch “What Is a Woman?” and then judge for yourself.
and even more telling of their refusal to have their religion questioned, Walsh doesn’t even really argue or interject that much in the film. Just asks questions and lets them say what they think.
Hearing them talk out loud is apparently so damning, that it needs to be censored. That should be a red flag for everyone
I’d also recommend the book. Walsh explains more of the history in the book, and goes further into detail on the interviews.
Isn’t that their entire problem with Libs of TikTok? That she posts their own videos? If they stopped bragging about doing horrifying shit on video, Libs would be out of business. But of course the narcissistic fucks are incapable of that.
Hearing them talk out loud is apparently so damning, that it needs to be censored. That should be a red flag for everyone
“The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture.”
This is what leftists actually believe.
How else can they govern with never-ending emergency powers without a never-ending series of emergencies?
It’s unclear how the feds came to suspect Taylor of using marijuana. But if she did, it means she lied on the federal background check required of gun users, which asks “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”
Not even necessarily true. Perhaps she bought the firearm, and thus, filled out the 4473, before she became a user of marijuana.
Since it was legal in her state, maybe she didn’t think she was using the marijuana ‘unlawfully’. Dumb but understandable.
Also possible. Dunno if filling out federal forms has a mens rea aspect. Probably not if it’s inconvenient to the prosecutor.
“Grammarly is supposed to flag things like grammar and spelling mistakes.”
Not since “V-Shred” have I been assaulted by so many Youtube ads for something that interests me so little.
Yeah. “Spellchecking software would make a great business model!” <- Your grammar error is here.
Also against social welfare benefit plans.
https://twitter.com/ajlamesa/status/1664441425419747328
This is the problem with the U.S. federal government.
The director of our disease control agency shouldn’t have to worry about how her decisions impact “the broader political dynamics of an administration gearing up for Biden’s re-election run.”
Exclusive: Ministers had ‘chilling’ secret unit to curb lockdown dissent
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/02/counter-disinformation-unit-government-covid-lockdown/
Critics of Covid restrictions targeted by counter-disinformation team at the heart of the Government
Wow, how horrible. I bet Reason’s going to write lots of articles about that enormous government abuse.
The real problem Disney has – it’s just plain dull.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/06/the-unbearable-dullness-of-the-little-mermaid/
Disney’s live-action remake of “The Little Mermaid” is very boring – as I’m sure the handful of restless, inattentive kids who were at the same screening as us will agree.
The real problem is Disney’s ongoing habit of remaking its animated back catalogue using a combination of live action and CGI. Take the recent remakes of “The Jungle Book”, “Cinderella”, “Dumbo”, “Lady and the Tramp”, “Aladdin”, “Mulan” and “Pinocchio” – all of them have been disappointments in their own way.
Why does Disney keep doing this to its own back catalogue? Are there no new stories to tell? There are of course, but that would involve taking risks, which Disney appears too afraid to do. And so, for the time being, Disney will continue to churn out anodyne, bloodless remakes of old favourites.
An exercise in woke box-checking.
When you bend over backwards to satisfy every PC urge, the result will almost certainly be bland and lacking any substance.
See: Vice president Kamala Harris.
A woman of color, black and asian, lawyer, Senator…a perfect combination of everything the woke want…and she was polling in the toilet in her OWN STATE, far behind 2 geriatric rich white men.
Why does Disney keep doing this to its own back catalogue? Are there no new stories to tell?
Woke can’t create. It can only destroy.
They should remake Song of the South with Jimmy Kimmel in black face.
A Disney movie I’d actually pay to see
Better yet, remake “Song if the South” with an all white cast.
Or make “Song of the North” with an all gangsta cast.
Nearly 30% of people under 30 support government surveillance cameras in every home: poll
https://www.thecollegefix.com/nearly-30-of-people-under-30-support-government-surveillance-cameras-in-every-home-poll/
This is why youth movements are extremely dangerous. No thought into unintended consequences or of “did anyone else try this, and how did it go”.
I wonder if they would enjoy Chinese citizenship
All this generation sees is the next TikTok videos.
I know 30 % of the population that needs to be culled. For the environment of cource
30% of the under 30 crowd want perpetual childhood overseen by a caring nanny, and they also unconditionally accept technology, so…
Approximately 100% of the under 30s want perpetual childhood under Big Mommy, but apparently 70% are aware enough to have some reservations.
New security footage withheld by J6 committee shows non violent protestors entering through unlocked door. Door was unlocked because Capitol Police had triggered an emergency exit that unlocked all emergency doors.
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/newly-released-j6-footage-shows-more-300-rioters-entered-building-through
Just another box to check in our Pelosi-and-the-FBI-obviously-incited-J6 ‘conspiracy theory’.
As jeff was claiming ESG can exist in a free market yesterday, a 2017 video of Blackrock CEO saying ESG was done to force behaviors arises.
https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/status/1665440977824231438
That’s why he had to propose a hypothetical that he damn well knows would never be possible. People like Fink and Soros are all-or-nothing oligarchs with a god complex that use appeals to “compromise” and “unity,” and the latest Current Year shibboleths, to further their own agendas.
There’s no “compromise” with people like those. You either acquiesce to them or put them to the guillotine.
Missed it, was it another “bears in trunks” moment?
It was of the same intellectual quality.
“That’s why he had to propose a hypothetical that he damn well knows would never be possible.”
He certainly loves his nonsensical hypotheticals. It’s his way of proposing something he knows is vile with the excuse that it’s all just a mental exercise.
Canadian doctors encouraged to bring up medically assisted death before their patients do
A guidance document produced by Canada’s providers of medically assisted death states that doctors have a professional obligation to bring up MAID
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-medical-aid-in-dying-consent-doctors
“You know this would go a lot faster if you just let us kill you.”
“I have a hangnail!”
“And?”
Same argument for promoting abortion.
if they had their way “its going to give me stress” would be a satisfactory for a 3rd trimester abortion
It already is. There is video of PP employees telling late term women how to lie about depression with “suicidal thoughts” to get around laws with exemption for life of the mother.
MAID for pregnancy? It’s a two for one special!
Q: “Will I still be able to play the piano?”
A: “Piano no. Harp, maybe.”
I’m going to get “I DON’T CONSENT TO MAID” tattooed across my chest just in case I’m ever temporarily incapacitated, because some of the stories flying around up here are horrific.
Carousel! (bonus points you get this)
I’d rather find Sanctuary.
Winner!
I’m actually surprised these WEF twits haven’t proposed a Logan’s Run solution yet.
Fish and Plankton and Sea Greens and Protein from the sea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKROeWxZHfg
https://twitter.com/Chesschick01/status/1666063145796763650?t=b4MKOLhnkSZUFu2EWJRucw&s=19
Imagine being in Normandy in 1944 on D Day and telling them that in 79 years people would get PTSD for being misgendered, everyone on the right would be called a Nazi, and people would be kicked out of the military for refusing a vaccine.
Think they still would have stormed the beach?
Ive thought about this multiple times. My grandfather wasn’t there on D day, but was there shortly after and came back to tell the tale.
To think that a man who actually risked life and limb to kill actual Nazi’s, that people who thought like him eventually be referred to as a fascist/nazi for holding political beliefs such as “your made up gender isnt real, stop teaching my kids this” and “you are all a bunch of useless pussies”…its mind boggling.
Yeah… kinda glad neither of my grandfathers lived to see this retardation after having fought in Europe in WWII.
My dad landed in France after D-day, and is definitely confused by modern culture.
Glad my Jewish Grandparents aren’t around to see what real oppression looks like. /old joke
https://babylonbee.com/news/antifa-member-lectures-d-day-veteran-on-how-to-fight-fascism
We are living in opposite word. Also post-parody world.
Parody is the new prophesy.
Quartering, or how Mayor Adams wants to ignore 3A.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/new_york/article_5973ee44-046b-11ee-99f0-171db5964c4c.html
New York City Mayor Eric Adams has unveiled a plan to house migrants in churches and other houses of worship — and private residences — as the city grapples with an influx of thousands of asylum seekers.
Adams is also appealing to average New Yorkers to take migrants into their private residences, pitching it as a way to help the city and themselves during tough economic times.
“There are residents who are suffering right now because of economic challenges,” Adams said at Monday’s briefing. “They have spare rooms.”
Several weeks ago, he unveiled plans to relocate hundreds of migrants upstate by temporarily housing them in hotels in Republican-led counties. However, that has met with fierce pushback from county leaders who have declared states of emergency and filed a lawsuit seeking to block it.
“”Quartering, or how Mayor Adams wants to ignore 3A.””
Wanting to have a program that will pay people to voluntarily have migrants live with them is not against the 3A.
I think the program is a bs use of taxpayer money so it’s not something I am for. But this is not an example of government forcing people into homes.
They aren’t forcing yet.
Is it force if they threaten to seize your house before you voluntarily accept a family or two?
And, in this case, the *yet* does a lot of heavy lifting in the recurrent sense with regard to open borders. If it were “We’re paying people to house them until we can get things under control.” *maybe* the yet would be inconsequential but since their overt policy makes it “We’re paying people to house them until they either stop coming or we run out of money.” the ‘yet’ is rather crucial.
I want to see how many virtue-signaling leftists sign up for this program.
That’s how this will backfire. Virtually none will, exposing their hypocrisy.
Will they be considered tenants and entitled to the same protections against eviction?
I advise people to NEVER let ANYONE stay for more than one night in your home without a written lease agreement. Trying to get someone forcibly evicted from your home is a months-long nightmare.
Not that I favor this, of course, but how does the 3rd Amendment apply unless the migrants are also troops?
This is more a 5th and 14th Amendment issue. Those are the Amendments to pull out for this fight.
But BlackRock is a privatez companiezes!!!
In Fink We Trust: BlackRock Is Now ‘Fourth Branch of Government’
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-21/how-larry-fink-s-blackrock-is-helping-the-fed-with-bond-buying
The company’s new assignment is a much bigger version of one it took on after the 2008 financial crisis, when the Federal Reserve enlisted it to dispose of toxic mortgage securities from Bear Stearns & Co. and American International Group Inc. This time it will help the Fed prop up the entire corporate bond market by purchasing, on the central bank’s behalf, what could become a $750 billion portfolio of debt.
BlackRock CEO slammed for ‘force behaviors’ comment after 2017 interview re-emerges about DEI initiatives
BlackRock CEO admitted ‘if you don’t force behaviors… you’re going to be impacted’
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/blackrock-ceo-slammed-force-behaviors-dei-initiatives
Larry Fink, CEO of investment firm BlackRock, is facing backlash over a 2017 comment admitting his company would “force behaviors” on inclusion efforts, amid a rise in pushback against companies making environmental, social and corporate governance (ESG) investments on behalf of everyday Americans.
While sitting alongside former AmEx CEO Kenneth I. Chenault in a resurfaced 2017 New York Times interview, Fink revealed BlackRock would “force behaviors” on “gender or race” and threatened impacts to compensation if diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) standards weren’t met.
“Behaviors are gonna have to change and this is one thing were asking companies. You have to force behaviors, and at BlackRock we are forcing behaviors,” the CEO said.
This is what happens when corporations act like quasi-government entities, and why they work so hard to keep their politician puppets in office.
We were talking about this the other day. Blackrock and Alphabet are far more like the British and Dutch East India companies and the Hudson Bay Corporation than traditional businesses.
I don’t think libertarians can or should regard them as such.
Kramer Associates.
Robert Sobel wrote about exactly such a corporation in For Want of a Nail back in 1973.
I guess the other issue there is that even if we stop considering them that way, the only available entity to conduct oversight is the government, which at this point *also* wants all of this DIE crap enforced.
Yes. Mercantilism is back.
Blackrock and Vanguard sit on nearly $14 trillion in assets. Enough to cover Cory Bush’s demand for reparations. I wonder if that’s how she came up with the figure.
Maybe, but she’s too retarded to understand that most of that “value” is just a fugazi.
Shellenberger thread on why half of America doesn’t trust the FBI/DoJ.
https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1665820809926004738
Disappointing that it’s only half.
It’s the “wrong” half, so who cares?
The oppressors always love their foot soldiers as long as they are useful.
Seriously, I get that some people love big brother and others aren’t paying attention, but 50%?
A state school board in Oklahoma voted Monday to approve what would be the first publicly funded religious school in the nation
Except for all the publicly funded schools worshiping at the altar of Woke.
Slashing farm emissions critical to fighting climate change, John Kerry [a multimillionaire who will never miss a meal] says
https://www.independent.ie/farming/forestry-enviro/slashing-farm-emissions-critical-to-fighting-climate-change-john-kerry-says/a1554308893.html
“A 2-degree future could result in another 600 million people not getting enough to eat,” said the former U.S. secretary of state. “You can’t continue to warm the planet while also expecting to feed it.”
This is precisely backwards. A flat out lie.
I mean…wouldn’t a lot more farm land become available with higher temps?
And the farm land we have becomes much more productive.
Also of note, regardless of the agriculture and logistics and the warming, his assertion doesn’t refute any of the facets of “The Thatcher Criticism”: 600M people isn’t the end-all, be-all of human existence. 500M people not getting enough to eat in a world population of 500M is objectively worse than 600M people not getting enough to eat in a world of 9B people.
Progs don’t do per capita
Unless they’re talking carbon emissions. Then it’s, “But China has less per capita emissions than the U.S.” As if nature cares about per capita instead of total emissions.
The studies showing plants need less water given more C02 is hostile to the global warming cult. Water is a bigger resource issue at the moment than temperature.
Yes. 100k years ago, during the Eemian Interglacial, the average temperature of the planet was 5 degrees C higher than it is now, and there were pine trees up to the very tip of Norway at 72 degrees north latitude, and hardwoods up to where Oulo, Finland is at 65 degrees latitude.
So, y’know it would be possible to farm Siberia and the Northern Territories of Canada. That’s an absolutely enormous quantity of land area.
Not allowing farms will cause many more to die. See communism.
Oh, they’ll allow farms, they’ll just be the ones running them so that they control the population’s food supply. Actually, I suspect their real goal is to eliminate American farms almost entirely and import as much as possible from Central and South America. It’s not really an accident that EU countries are forcing their own local farmers into bankruptcy.
Those damn Kulaks are always the problem
I find the Kulak comments personally interesting. Most of my family came from German villages in the Ukraine. A couple of Czars imported German farmers to help settle parts of Russia and later the Ukraine. My family came to America well before the Holodomor but my great grandfather helped raise money to sent to cousins still in the Ukraine during Stalin’s famine. So Kulaks are part of my family history.
A large number of Americans are descended from German communities that were outside Germany across Europe.
A large number of them have ancestors whose communities were in the Volga River Valley (Wolgadeutsche). Their relatives who stayed behind were deported by Stalin during WWII and unceremoniously dumped in the north of Russia and in Siberia during the winter; no food, clothing on their backs, and had to find someone to take them in, if they were lucky.
Same here. Not sure where my family with German background came from but after reaching the new world sometime between 1700 and 1741 they must have branched out. Half became Amish and the other half, not so Amish.
Kerry wants to “get militant with ag.”
I guess that settles the illegal immigration issue. Send em home. No crops to pick.
Is the assumption that no one will change any behaviors or do anything to adapt? Seems like it must be. Which crops are grown where and when might have to change, but higher temps and more CO2 are both good for productivity.
Aren’t plants grown in hot houses?
“That’s different!”
Paul Ehrlich approves.
Where does Lurch think his wife’s tomatoes come from?
Biden administration admits US funds are going to Palestine pay to slay program.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/06/after-restoring-funding-biden-admin-admits-palestinian-authority-continues-pay-to-slay/
The people who oppose this are anti-semites.
“Perhaps Taylor does deserve legal culpability, though that certainly depends on the circumstances by which her son got his hands on the gun.”
If I got shot because you were irresponsible with your gun, I (or my family) is gonna get your ass. Whether that be financially, criminally, or both. There is no realm where she doesn’t have responsibility. Control your environment. If you cant own a gun / dog / whatever dangerous thing in your house responsibly, then either dont own one, or face the consequences when someone gets hurt.
While I agree with you that Ms. Taylor should be held criminally and civilly liable for the fact that her gun was used to shoot a teacher, the question is about the marijuana/firearm related charge. It is likely that the prosecutors are piling on to force a peal deal on the other charges. While this might have worked in the past, changing opinions on marijuana could mean this approach will backfire. Best to stick to the charges of child neglect and improperly securing a firearm. I think in this case these charges are well understood.
But Mike is right—there are no “circumstances by which her son got his hands on the gun” under which she is not culpable.
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
Soft-pedaling Joe’s age. I’ve known many older than Biden who are much sharper of mind and wit.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/05/the-times-tries-to-soft-pedal-bidens-age-but-the-details-are-damning/
Biden was elected to the Senate during the Vietnam War, when Richard Nixon was president, Gerald Ford was still a congressman and a gallon of gas was 36 cents.
In 1972, Biden argued to Delaware voters that his 63-year-old opponent was too old to stay in the Senate. When Biden was sworn in as president 49 years later, he was already the oldest man ever to hold the job.
The years haven’t been easy on Biden. His decline is plainly visible. He shuffles like an old man and trips frequently, resulting in a scary fall at the Air Force Academy graduation this weekend. He often seems confused in public, needing to be led where he’s going. He speaks tentatively.
At press conferences, Biden has often been seen holding note cards indicating he knows who will ask each question and what it is. He rarely grants interviews where he can be challenged; he has refused to even sit down with The New York Times.
Biden has done only a quarter of the interviews President Donald Trump did, and the White House won’t allow questioning of his doctor. His public events are almost all between noon and 4 p.m., Monday through Friday.
Democrats fret among themselves about this, and they should. Polls regularly show a majority of voters think Biden is no longer mentally up to the job. A majority of his own party’s voters don’t want him running for re-election, but he’s shuffling after another term anyway.
His public events are almost all between noon and 4 p.m., Monday through Friday.
See “Sundowner Syndrome”.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/22840-sundown-syndrome
No, Jeffy, Mike, and others, “gender-affirming care” does not fix them. It actually hurts them.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/gender-affirming-surgery-leaves-people-lonelier-and-depressed-study
“In our study, the level of life satisfaction in transgender people was not increased in transgender people who had undergone gender-affirming surgery as compared to those who were unoperated,” says a study published Tuesday in BMC Public Health, a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
“[O]ur data indicate that transgender and gender-diverse people, who have undergone gender reassignment surgery feel lonelier” than transgender-identified people who have not elected to have surgery, finds a separate study by the same four researchers, originally published online May 11 in the journal Healthcare (Basel).
The most recent study finds that people who identify as transgender have lower overall life satisfaction than the general population—and young people suffering from gender dysphoria have worse mental health than older people. Blessmann, et al., found 31 percent of transgender-identifying people felt “dissatisfied” or “extremely dissatisfied” with life, while 17 percent said they were “satisfied” and just 1 percent felt “extremely satisfied.” People who identify as transgender were 1,290 percent more likely to describe themselves as “extremely dissatisfied” than “extremely satisfied” with their lives.
A study taken in transgender-friendly Sweden concluded, “Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behavior, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.”
“The only way individuals dealing with gender dysphoria will come to live happy, healthy, and authentic lives is by addressing the source of their dysphoria and pursuing healing,” Waddell told the Washington Stand. “Many of the individuals who identify as transgender do so because of trauma, abuse, adverse childhood experiences (which may or may not be traumatic), and other such reasons. Until these root issues are properly dealt with, these individuals will not be completely satisfied.”
Transgender-identified adolescents were more than twice as likely as to report childhood sexual abuse, 161 percent more likely to endure physical abuse, and 184 percent more likely to experience psychological abuse than their peers, according to researchers from the University of Pittsburgh. “Transgender adolescents (TGAs) exhibit disproportionate levels of mental health problems compared with cisgender adolescents (CGAs),” reported their 2021 study, published in the journal Pediatrics. “[R]esearchers should examine how more frequent experiences of abuse during childhood could contribute to disproportionate mental health problems observed within this population.”
Part of the cult indoctrination is to have new members cut out any friends or family not supporting the cult 110%. Of course they are lonely.
well sure, that and they mutilated their body into a non-functioning, disgusting mess that not only is unattractive and bizarre, but also often they lose the ability to get off, and the people that they find attractive dont want to have relationships with them.
They essentially are putting themselves in a box where they cant form healthy relationships with people, because they were told this is what they need to do to be happy and form good relationships with people.
Would be like me telling you the only way to really get into shape and lose some weight is to start by chopping your foot off and gouge an eye out. Only then can you really live your true life. Oh, dont think too much about the logistics, just join the cult
well sure, that and they mutilated their body into a non-functioning, disgusting mess that not only is unattractive and bizarre, but also often they lose the ability to get off, and the people that they find attractive dont want to have relationships with them.
Most male trannies in particular are porn-addicted coomers who think a vagina is just a hole to stick a dick in, or to piss out of, as opposed to a functioning part of the female body, and therefore it’s interchangeable with a dick. A big reason they end up becoming increasingly deranged over time is because when they cut their dick off, they lose the ability to coom to the porn they fapped to before the sterilization, and display such ridiculous levels of autogynephilia. The ones with enough self-awareness keep their plumbing so they can still coom.
Did you read the entire study that was cited here?
You mean the one from UW that didn’t actually prove what they said it did?
Did you read the entire study that was cited here?
You mean the one from UW that didn’t actually prove what they said it did?
Jeff…
You avoided the question yesterday. How is any type of GAC not a physical process and a violation of the NAP?
but it’s called “affirming care” what part do you not understand?
Just like abortions are about reproduction.
“Reproductive care” and “Reproductive health”. They always append “care” and “health” when endorsing something horrifically evil.
Next up, child rape as “Intergenerational care”.
Note that drop-outs who “detransition” are not included in studies like this because they no longer identify as “transgender”. If everyone who was FORMERLY “transgender” were asked, the levels of dissatisfaction with their “treatment” would be higher.
https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1665938465647734784?t=6Up2EqqRkeoRAaPewkKFxw&s=19
They put it. On. A cemetery.
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But they just want equality!!
They’re deliberately trying to create social turmoil. They want an excuse for a crack down.
Hopefully, if they get their wish, it’s much greater than they were prepared for.
“There’s no way back from where we are.”
He’s right.
Is he wrong?
https://twitter.com/lone_rides/status/1666077914020839424?t=PPU82clAHB-G5gbDmBiALw&s=19
In a Libertarian society…
People flood the border because they’re wide open.
People do hard drugs on the streets.
Children are aborted up the the moment of birth.
And there isn’t squat you can do about it.
Nothing libertarian about killing babies, it violates the NAP. Maybe if you can abort your child without killing or injuring them, but only then. Otherwise, you made your choice when you decided to procreate.
Pretty sure you can legalize drugs and still have public decency laws.
“Hookup culture” is a myth, writes Cathy Reisenwitz.
HAHA was this article written by the hoes coalition?
Texas is the latest state to ban gender transition treatments such as puberty blockers and synthetic hormones for minors.
This is the way
Nightmare scenario for trans activist if allowed to go through puberty, many of these children will grow comfortable with there bodies by the time they are 18. The last thing you want as an activist is to have a large population who lived through the phase and moved on to live happy healthy lives.
many of these children will grow comfortable with there bodies by the time they are 18.
What about those that don’t?
Then they can transition as fully consenting adults capable of understanding the consequences of lifetime medical issues and sterility.
^Bingo
So you think it should be legal to medically transition as an adult then? Why do you think it should be legal as an adult?
Because adults can legally consent and should be allowed to do whatever they want with their own bodies.
Jeff doesn’t know what informed consent actually means.
So when this Team Red politician did this:
https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2023/04/13/missouri-attorney-general-andrew-bailey-promulgates-emergency-regulation-targeting-gender-transition-procedures-for-minors
you objected to it, because while he claimed it only covered minors, it actually also covered adults, right?
if you’re gonna have laws that protect minors from ANYTHING, then protecting them from having their genitals surgically mutilated should be on the table.
But what if the surgical procedure is a valid medical procedure to treat a diagnosed medical condition following a certified standard of care?
You mean like bloodletting to balance the humors?
If this were the 18th century, sure.
Guess what, the state of medical knowledge advances over time.
Guess what, the state of medical knowledge advances over time.
But not appeals to authority, apparently.
Of course it is an appeal to authority. Do you have a better way to determine what is a valid medical procedure?
If you are going to declare an appeal to authority, i.e., deference to medical professionals and experts in their reasoned and professional judgment, to be invalid in determining what is a valid medical procedure, then every individual gets to decide for him/herself what is valid and what is not. That’s the anarchist view. And if that’s the way you want it, then it literally legalizes whatever parents want to do to their children. Circumcision, female genital mutilation, gender reassignment surgery, all valid and all legal because there’s no such thing as ‘invalid’, it’s all in the eye of the beholder.
Is that what you want?
Long term studies showing an actual benefit to the procedure?
Something that doesn’t exist with GAC and is in fact equal or worse per long term studies in European countries.
If you are going to declare an appeal to authority, i.e., deference to medical professionals and experts in their reasoned and professional judgment, to be invalid in determining what is a valid medical procedure, then every individual gets to decide for him/herself what is valid and what is not.
Another false dilemma from chemtard.
Another false dilemma
Okay, so what is the alternative?
I’ll note that you feel it is wrong to require informed consent for adults.
I’ll note that you feel it is wrong to require informed consent for adults.
Not true. I absolutely favor informed consent, for everyone. I don’t favor preening politicians erecting needless roadblocks. You should read what that Missouri AG actually wrote. It is this huge list of things that he demanded that health care providers do, which were only tangentially related to the health care in question.
Okay, so what is the alternative?
Sorry, I don’t traffic in hypothetical scenarios like you do.
“Not true. I absolutely favor informed consent, for everyone. I don’t favor preening politicians erecting needless roadblocks. You should read what that Missouri AG actually wrote. It is this huge list of things that he demanded that health care providers do, which were only tangentially related to the health care in question.”
You complained that the AG insisted on informed consent for the procedures for minors and adults.
As far as what he “Actually wrote” — I am not being paid by you to make your arguments for you. I read your link yesterday and it did not show what you claim it did, as expected.
Fucking include the quote AND the link and we can talk.
” a valid medical procedure” – context dependent
“to treat a diagnosed medical condition” – its a mental health disorder, not a “medical condition”. Gold standard is therapy followed by potential medicine if merited. In this case, the medicine is worsening the gender dyspohria. You dont fight delusions by attempting to strengthen said delusions and telling the patient its real. You dont give a schizophrenic hallucinogens. You dont tell an anorexic girl she really is a fat piece of shit and her ideal BMI should be 10. And finally, almost all of the care follows the rough principle of being given BECAUSE the condition is causing some disturbance in a normal functioning life which the treatment specifically aims to improve, with evidence that the treatment does improve it. There is no good evidence that this isn’t just quackery.
“following a certified standard of care?” – there absolutely is not one here. This is extremely new with no long term data to support it
It’s a yes or no question.
Should it be legal for doctors to perform a surgical procedure on a child if the surgical procedure is part of a valid medical procedure to treat a diagnosed medical condition according to a certified standard of care? Yes or no?
Feel free to add whatever caveats or safeguards you want to your answer. For example, parental consent – which I agree with.
>>valid medical procedure to treat a diagnosed medical condition according to a certified standard of care
never gonna get there. it’s too ghoulish for people with common sense.
The question I asked most certainly is a yes/no question.
You just don’t like it because in the way I asked the question, most normal people will answer “yes”. And so that takes away your “GeNiTaL mUtIlAtIoN” talking point. Because the real question isn’t about “genital mutilation”, the real question is whether these procedures ought to be considered valid medical procedures or not for the specific cases at hand.
We just watched the mass psychosis that was COVID policy, and the propaganda the govt got away with under the guise of experts and ‘settled science’.
We watched the experts and the WHO, with a straight face, tell us that everyone was at equal risk of monkeypox, and that gay men participating in ass sex were at no further increased risk.
‘if the surgical procedure is part of a valid medical procedure to treat a diagnosed medical condition according to a certified standard of care? ‘
Im sorry, but my trust for the experts has run dry. All of the above has to be true in addition to passing a basic smell test, and cant be something in the interest of activists. The approved bodies have shown they will go with the political winds.
Let’s also take this to its eventual conclusion, being that the left is riddled with pedos
Child says they have an attraction to their parent, which is shared by the parent. NAMBLA and all the medical experts agree that the kid has parental-attraction syndrome, and agree that as long as everyone agrees (experts, child, and parent) that a consensual sexual relationship is not only good, but it is part of the treatment regimen.
Should we just kick common sense to the curb and declare that since the experts say its good, and parent/child agree, that we shouldn’t protect the child from what is objectively a terrible situation for them?
What do you think, groomer?
Seems like a bit of question begging.
Legality is no guarantee of morality or appropriateness.
Im sorry, but my trust for the experts has run dry. All of the above has to be true in addition to passing a basic smell test, and cant be something in the interest of activists. The approved bodies have shown they will go with the political winds.
But that is your answer too – to “go with the political winds”, is it not? Because your answer would be to place the final decision in the hands of politicians. Even if doctors, patients, parents, therapists, and counselors all agree on a course of action, it would still be up to Ron DeSantis to have the final say-so on whether they could proceed. Right?
So you don’t trust “the experts”, but you do trust Ron DeSantis. Why?
And what makes you think you are not one of “the activists” that you decry? Those on the other side would label you as an “anti-trans activist” who wants to use politics to manipulate kids’ health care. So, who is or is not an “activist” is in the eye of the beholder.
NAMBLA and all the medical experts agree that the kid has parental-attraction syndrome, and agree that as long as everyone agrees (experts, child, and parent) that a consensual sexual relationship is not only good, but it is part of the treatment regimen.
Is this ‘treatment regimen’ backed by valid scientific and medical studies? How rigorous of a process was used to form this ‘standard of care’? You are making up a ridiculous and wildly implausible hypothetical scenario here.
“You are making up a ridiculous and wildly implausible hypothetical scenario here.”
In 5 years we went from trannies being obscure freaks to celebrated brave stunning heroes, and are now in a scenario where people are arguing for genital mutilation and sterilization so long as parents and kids agree its a good thing.
You think, in this context, that age of consent is a bridge too far? Especially given human nature and it’s history of man-boy relationships?
You are making up a ridiculous and wildly implausible hypothetical scenario here.
The amount of irony in this statement could blot out the sun.
In 5 years we went from trannies being obscure freaks to celebrated brave stunning heroes, and are now in a scenario where people are arguing for genital mutilation and sterilization so long as parents and kids agree its a good thing.
I think you need to revisit your recent history.
Here is a more sober look at the history of transgenderism and gender-affirming care for minors.
https://karger.com/hrp/article/95/6/649/828500/The-Evolution-of-Adolescent-Gender-Affirming-Care
Briefly, drugs and surgery for gender reassignment for minors have been around since 1998. So it is not “just in the last 5 years”. And these medical procedures have been legal for the entire time. These clinics did not just open up in the last 5 years.
What has happened, within the last 5 years or so, was the right-wing backlash to all of this. Which is only when people like you started noticing. So from your point of view, it may seem like this is all very recent. But it isn’t. That is only when your right-wing media sources started telling you about it.
And by the way. There might be some people who argue for children alone to have the power to decide to undergo gender-affirming care, but I don’t. Those that do argue that position are wrong. Children need to get the consent of not just doctors, but also their parents.
And there might be some who argue that parents and children should be able to agree to gender affirming care without following a rigorous standard of care – that they can just decide one day that it’s what they want to do without any therapy and counseling, and get it done. I also don’t agree with that. I do think there ought to be mandatory counseling and mandatory waiting periods for decisions this large. The decision should not be flippant or spurious.
So if you want to argue against those positions, talk with someone else. I don’t subscribe to those.
Finally. There are only three scenarios here that I can see, when it comes to gender affirming care, and the health care of children more generally.
1. There are no set standards for what constitutes “valid medical procedure” or “standard of care”. Any parent may choose to decide on any medical procedure they wish for their child. So, circumcision, female genital mutilation, tattoos, piercings, gender affirming care, testosterone supplements for young boys, diet pills for anorexic girls, all are legal and none are forbidden because “valid” is purely in the eye of the beholder. That is the purely anarchist position. I don’t favor this, and I don’t think you do either.
2. There is a list of valid medical procedures, with appropriate standards of care, that are established by an appropriate body of medical experts, and government’s role is to enforce the standards set by the experts. Parents who want treatment for their child that isn’t on the list are forbidden from getting it. You don’t like that because you don’t trust the experts, I get it. Experts sometimes make mistakes, experts are sometimes swayed by political considerations that they shouldn’t be. But I prefer this alternative, because option 3 is worse…
3. There is a list of valid medical procedures, with standards of care, but the list is generated *by the government*, and doctors just follow the list given to them by the agents of the state. So this is evidently the option that you prefer, but I am at a loss as to why. Because if you don’t like experts *sometimes* being swayed by political considerations that they shouldn’t be, what do you think politicians are going to be swayed by? *Nothing but* political considerations! You don’t like it that many of the experts gave some bad advice with regards to COVID. Okay, I get it. Did they also give bad advice for, say, the common cold? Brushing your teeth? Treating a broken bone? Heart disease? Because if the government is in charge, ALL OF THESE are subject to the political considerations that you decry happened with regards to COVID health care.
You don’t like what the experts did about COVID so you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and put the government in charge of everything? This is self-defeating.
What has happened, within the last 5 years or so, was the right-wing backlash to all of this. Which is only when people like you started noticing. So from your point of view, it may seem like this is all very recent. But it isn’t. That is only when your right-wing media sources started telling you about it.
No, the difference is that, up until the Coy Mathis case, they weren’t pushing this in schools. The last 5-10 years is simply when it began accelerating.
Because if you don’t like experts *sometimes* being swayed by political considerations that they shouldn’t be, what do you think politicians are going to be swayed by? *Nothing but* political considerations!
This is already happening. In fact, the medical industry in this country is quite open about the fact that they consider this to be a political issue, not just a medical one. And it’s been that way since they started changing how the medical definitions for gender dysphoria about ten years ago in response to political activism from LGBTQ academics. That’s why they use loaded questions when they ask parents, “Do you want a live son or a dead daughter?”
So if they want it to be political, then it’s perfectly acceptable to use their weapons against them. And if that means these butchers and manipulators think twice before putting a kid under the knife, or inject them with puberty blockers that fuck up their perfectly normal physiology, then so be it.
“It’s a yes or no question.”
It is no more of a yes/no question than “Can somebody shoot and kill another person?”
Sometimes it is yes. Frequently it is no.
Like COVID lockdowns and eviction prevention?
Amputation is a valid medical procedure. Should parents be able to cut off their child’s arm because the kid is transable?
But what if the surgical procedure is a valid medical procedure to treat a diagnosed medical condition following a certified standard of care?
These people are insane and shouldnt be anywhere near a child. Do you even think for yourself? a self-appointed group of “experts” who construct a “standard” can say and do wahtever they want but I do not submit my own moral judgment and rationality to their whims.
No. You cannot cut off a child’s dick. WTF is wrong with you?
but I do not submit my own moral judgment and rationality to their whims.
Good for you. Don’t let them subvert your moral conscience. If you don’t want your child receiving gender-affirming care, then I fully support your right to refuse.
The problem arises when politicians try to subvert everyone’s moral consciences by deciding for everyone how they should care for their children.
“How dare the state step in and remove children from parents who beat them!” — chemjeff
The number is estimated at 80%. SO give up the 80% to appease the 20% earlier? Or provide therapy like they did for the last 200 years?
if allowed to go through puberty
We don’t know to what extent normal puberty will occur after years on puberty blockers, because nearly all kids who start down that path end up on hormones and having surgery. There is no large population to study of kids who have been on blockers for a prolonged time and then gone off of them without proceeding with medical transitioning. The “doctors” claim that puberty will just pick up where it left off and the kids will develop as if the blocking hadn’t happened, but they don’t know that.
Puberty blockers have long been used by pediatric endocrinologists to treat precocious puberty. When the treatment ends puberty happens.
Irrelevant.
This particular red herring stinks worse than a stinkditch.
Please forgive the local news report:
“U.S. House panel to pursue contempt of Congress proceedings against FBI”
[…]
” The Republican head of a U.S. House of Representatives panel said he will seek to hold FBI Director Christopher Wray in contempt of Congress over what he said was a failure to hand over information on President Joe Biden’s family dealings.
“We will now initiate contempt of Congress proceedings,” James Comer, chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said in a statement posted on Twitter.
Comer said he was taking the action following a briefing given by FBI officials.
“At the briefing, the FBI again refused to hand over the unclassified record to the custody of the House Oversight Committee,” Comer said…”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-house-panel-to-pursue-contempt-of-congress-proceedings-against-fbi/ar-AA1cagiJ
And then Garland did nothing despite the doj going after Trump admin for contempt.
Taylor legally purchased the gun that her son later used to shoot his teacher.
This doesn’t really square with…
It’s unclear how the feds came to suspect Taylor of using marijuana. But if she did, it means she lied on the federal background check required of gun users, which asks “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?” Taylor is now accused of saying no to that question “when in fact, as she knew then, she was an unlawful user of marijuana,” per charging documents.
The federal prohibition on gun ownership by pot users is bullshit…but so is your piss-poor “reporting”.
New wrinkle in Republican obsession with Hunter Biden Penis:
How the Biden family name became latest wrinkle in Hunter Biden’s paternity battle
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Hunter Biden is nearing judgment day in an Arkansas lawsuit to reduce his child support and prevent his daughter from taking his last name.
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The president’s son faces a deposition this month and a July trial against a woman, Lunden Roberts, who had his daughter Aug. 28, 2018. Biden was ordered in March 2020 to pay child support, but he asked in September 2022 to reduce the amount because of his changing income, which led to the pending trial.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/06/03/hunter-biden-paternity-case-family-name-child-support/70170724007/
You seem to talk about Hunter’s dick more than anyone else, you hicklib pederast.
Why else wear a butt plug if you can’t fixate on penises.
Shrike has a phallic phixation.
“his changing income”
Once Putin gets overthrown and hanged (you told us it’s all but a done deal) and Russia leaves Ukraine, maybe Hunter can resume his totally legit job at that Ukrainian energy company.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
How can he possibly prevent her from giving his name to the baby? You can generally give your children any names you want, can’t you? Taking the parent’s last name is just a convention, not a legal requirement as I understand it.
Hey shrike. Do you find it odd he transferred his ownership of the Chinese financial company to his lawyer buddy who is now giving him millions to pay off old taxes and fly privately? Do you find it odd that Hunter is still benefitting from that gift from China?
If you get an answer from turd, remember that turd lies. It’s what turd does.
If I can be blamed for actions, real and imagined, of not just my ancestors but anyone of similar race and ethnicity, then a mother can be blamed for anything her kid does, right?
depends…have we assessed the skin colors of all involved?
Yes, but intersectionality…
>>It’s inevitable that people want to legally blame Deja Taylor for the actions of her 6-year-old son
I mean ya it’s Virginia.
>>whether police can use drones to warrantlessly spy on citizens.
as long as we can warrantlessly use Winchesters to shoot them down I’m in.
Bird shot is a better idea unless you’re a crack shooter.
Indeed. Make sure you use a choke to keep the shot from spreading.
12ga. Bird shot, full choke.
How is Taylor different from the Crumbleys?
It’s unclear how the feds came to suspect Taylor of using marijuana.
Does it require ID to purchase marijuana in Virginia? If it does, does that go into a database anywhere in the state of Virginia?
A bear photographed her smoking.
Did the bear pop out of a trunk?
I think they put a camera on the bear and then put the bear on a drone, unless I’m mixing my stories up.
In February, a federal judge in Oklahoma ruled the prohibition to be an unconstitutional infringement on the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms.
Convenient, that.
Getting a bit of that “10 yr. old rape victim turns up in Indiana for abortion” vibes.
Good question. I suspect there’s some deep/lawyer/technical related reasons. Remember, the drug companies got immunity for their experimental vaccines. A lot of that was predicated under the “emergency” nature of the pandemic.
The J&J company may have doses of their
100% safe and effective with no downsidesvaccine spread to so many healthcare facilities that they no longer have “control” over who gets the vaccine. Ie, person can walk into a Bartels drug store, request the J&J vaccine, nurse pulls it out of the storage cooler and injects it. That process is “out of J&J’s control”. So by revoking the emergency authorization, that says to Bartels “you’re no longer authorized to use whatever you have in store, and it must be destroyed”. That’s what I suspect is going on.Good question. I suspect there’s some deep/lawyer/technical related reasons. Remember, the drug companies got immunity for their experimental vaccines. A lot of that was predicated under the “emergency” nature of the pandemic.
Right. Now that the “emergency” declaration is over, it’s open season if someone gets a stroke after taking the clot shot. I suspect J&J is more a function of their shot not really providing much of any actual immunity benefit at all, as opposed to the Pfizer shots which might grant immunity, but end up causing a stroke if people keep getting boosters, because the spike proteins in the shot cause the blood to coagulate.
FWIW, I got the J&J, but didn’t get a booster. Didn’t have any effects other than an odd desire to suddenly buy Microsoft products.
I rarely agree with ENB, but she is on the right side about overcharging this woman.
I can accept that this is a lame charge. However, at the same time, she should not have custody of any child below the age of 18, given her poor judgement to smoke pot, own a gun that she did not keep away from her child and did not even store with a trigger lock and apparently kept around the house loaded.
Just take the kid away from her. Justice served.
What’s wrong with
1. smoking pot
2. owning a gun
3. keeping it loaded and ready to use
4. Trusting your kid to behave.
Nothing.
“Trusting your kid to behave.”
That’s what’s wrong. She’s the adult in the room. Trusting a six-year-old with access to a firearm is retarded.
What about the Second Amendment rights of the six year old?
i’m not saying she didnt make a mistake but on it’s face, I’ve trusted my 6 year old kids with much more demanding directives than “dont take this gun out and use it”
Enh. I’m not sure trusting most six year olds to behave with a loaded firearm is actually reasonable.
Not saying that just keeping a loaded firearm as a weed smoker is bad, but I’d make sure to keep the kid away from it.
Old enough to change genders is old enough to shoot people.
” . . . thus the purchase violated a federal prohibition on illegal drug users buying or owning firearms.”
This (apparently) black woman better not be treated differently from a certain white man I know.
You know Hitler?!
She commited a felony by using marijuana. End of story.
Now maybe we can repeal the stupid law that makes marijuana possession a felony.
Who do we reluctantly vote for to achieve that outcome?
Depends on the primary; either the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.
She should be charged with cultural appropriation in the third degree with that horrid bleach blond hair. I thought black women were mostly nappy headed hoes.
This is comment #420.
There’s always one somewhere. 🙂
Well, their kids are, anyway.
As are we.
Europeans: the world’s bottoms.
But wouldn’t they be the victims of fraud for reading books that have lies about gender ideology?
Buttplug just shuddered somewhere and he isnt sure why
You have to click through to the text of the policy itself. I know, so much work! One more click! And then some scrolling!
Ooo, namecalling. So much good faith.
I can imagine several reasons why a person might be in favor of the right of an adult to medically transition. So I wanted to know what your reason was.
If you think that is a “gotcha” then that says more about you than it does about me.
Surprising to me that anyone engages the lying lefty shit-piles.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean they won’t have the right to cut their own genitals off and give themselves osteoporosis at that point.
Since when are books with wrong/questionable information in them fraudulent?
Wait – so you think books that promote gender ideology represent a type of fraud – which as we discussed earlier, are violations of the NAP – and you think it should be legal for a victim of that fraud to act on the lies in those books?
If that fraud really is a violation of the NAP, then shouldn’t those who publish those books be thrown in jail for fraud, and the victim prevented from irreversibly harming him/herself as a result of that fraud?
Fair point.
So what is the confusion?
Are the books not fraudulent?
Is the fraud not violations of the NAP?
Should the result of fraud be legal?
Weren’t you the one yesterday accusing me of dissembling and deflecting?
Here, we went to me asking you a question of whether or not you objected to this Missouri AG’s policy, and instead you launched into namecalling and insults, not even bothering to answer my original question.
So, what do you think – do you object to the AG’s policy, or not?
I don’t understand how there can be any “standard of care” regarding such a rare disorder let alone how surgery can be considered a proper treatment for a delusion.
So because you don’t understand it, you want to ban it. Got it.
Has it occurred to you to look into it a little bit, so as to alleviate your ignorance?
Seriously, even if a man absolutely believes with certainty that they were born in the wrong body, how can a doctor agree to mutilation over therapy?
Who said surgery and therapy are mutually exclusive? The standard of care calls for intensive therapy before any surgery.
Notice jeff gives no links describing the standard of care, how it was derived, or what the long term results are. Because he blindly trusts WPATH while dismissing the studies that go against his standard.
Multiple countries looking at long term results have pulled back the standard of care guidance that used to be the same as the US. In the US they will start kids on drugs after the 2nd meeting. This is never a standard practice for these drugs, which is why Europe pulled back. Jeff will always dismiss these facts.
Jeff even gives his lies away by claiming intensive therapy is required. It is not. As shown by numerous hospital whistleblowers, parents, and patient testimony.
That they are an adult and should be permitted to mutilate themselves is not that hard to grasp a concept.
Few of us wish to determine what adults do to their own bodies. Just do not expect me to pay for it.
Read the link.
Does not show what you claim it does.
Feel free to quote it, if you’d so like.
You already are due to medicaid guidance and changes to ACA requirements.
I do find it odd Jeffrey is not stating the words he is asserting are the issue.
(2) It is an unfair, deceptive, fraudulent, or otherwise unlawful practice for any person or
health organization to provide a covered gender transition intervention to a patient (or
refer a patient for such an intervention) if the person or health organization
[…]
(B) Fails to obtain informed consent by disclosing conspicuously—on its website,
physically in writing, and orally in person by the prescribing provider—to the
patient and (if the patient is a minor) to the patient’s parents or legal guardians, by
means of information that includes language materially identical to each point
below, that:
It covers “patients” without distinguishing between minors and adults.
It is one he has used often. He used to cite WPATH as his evidence of valid medical procedure. But then many pointed out WPATH was an activist organization so he now makes blind assertions it is valid. Generally off of the studies for short term mental health for surgery while ignoring the long term studies from European 7 to 10 years out.
He is entirely dishonest about this issue.
He also spent all day yesterday claiming pedophilia was against the NAP as it involves a physical act but doesn’t apply his own standard to surgery and drugs here. Again. Entirely dishonest.
Don’t ask me, ask Chucky.
Start here:
https://reason.com/2023/06/05/trump-appointed-judge-rules-tennessees-anti-drag-law-unconstitutional/?comments=true#comment-10094117
Jeffy, unfortunately, is rather fond of straw.
The clause includes both classes – “patients” and “patients who are minors”
“Fails to obtain informed consent by disclosing conspicuously—on its website,
physically in writing, and orally in person by the prescribing provider—to the
patient and (if the patient is a minor) to the patient’s parents or legal guardians, by
means of information that includes language materially identical to each point
below, that”
Your GOTCHA is “Fails to obtain informed consent”?
Seriously?
The gotcha is that the law requires INFORMED CONSENT, even for adults?
Really?
I actually agree with this, though the fine should be more. If you put a 75-year-old in jail the state is now responsible for all his health care. Felt the same when they deported that 90 year old camp guard back to Germany…even if he was convicted not like they are sending him to the big house instead he would end up in a state funded old folks home for the rest of his life…a Pyrrhic victory at best.
Do parents have the right to have their male babies circumcised?
That’s not even a fine. Restitution is different. Felonious assault has a a maximum fine of $2000 in Michigan, and if you’re going to go with no prison for a crime of that seriousness, that should probably be maxed out.
Is cutting your dick off a religious covenant with Yahweh?
Cancer is an effective puberty blocker.