Josh Hawley Wants the Government To Silence A.I.
The Missouri senator is once again pursuing misguided tech regulation.

Sen. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) has cultivated a reputation as one of the federal government's most tech-phobic legislators. Naturally, he is now setting his sights on artificial intelligence (A.I.), a technology he describes as dangerous and likely to "manipulate" Americans unless subjected to crushing regulatory burdens.
In a recent interview with Fox News, Hawley said he was "worried about AI's power to manipulate our attention, to manipulate our opinions and to manipulate the information that we're given."
His solution is for the government to increase the liability incurred by companies that use A.I., such that they can be sued by users for engaging in misinformation. What constitutes misinformation, of course, is open to interpretation. Per usual, Hawley's approach wouldn't actually protect users of new technology—A.I., in this case—from harm. Rather, it would create opportunities for costly, constant litigation to cripple the technology.
"Already you can see these generative AI systems—these large language models—that are trained on all the information on the internet," said Hawley.
Hawley was likely referencing ChatGPT, an A.I. chatbot that can mimic human conversation. This is a tool that, yes, could be used for ill—like most technological advances—but also has the capacity to improve human understanding, communication, and fulfillment. (Reason's Fiona Harrigan used it to plan dinner.) And though the very term A.I. can summon scary images from science fiction dystopias along the lines of Terminator and The Matrix, it's important to note that ChatGPT is not thinking for itself in any appreciably sinister way; it's essentially an online encyclopedia with an impressively vast repository, and its responses are guided by the prompts given to it by humans.
Yet Hawley frets that technologies like this one will be used to monopolize human attention spans. His concern that A.I. is being used to "misinform" Americans proves that the overhyped threat of misinformation is not solely a hobbyhorse of mainstream Democrats. The First Amendment, thankfully, prohibits the government from censoring speech that allegedly misinforms the public.
Hawley's overall anti-tech agenda overlaps neatly with Democratic regulatory priorities. Both Republicans and Democrats have joined together to demand the repeal of Section 230, which would subject social media platforms to increased liability for user-generated speech. Progressive Democrats favor this approach in order to force tech companies to moderate more content. Republicans, on the other hand, think Facebook and Twitter are moderating too much content already, and are willing to punish the companies even if it means giving Democrats the exact result they want: increased online censorship.
This strategy has become even more glaringly flawed as of late. Twitter's new CEO, Elon Musk, is transforming the site into a space that particularly welcomes conservative content. But it is Section 230 that empowers Musk to permit The Daily Wire and Tucker Carlson to host their programming on Twitter. Scrapping the federal statute would increase Twitter's own liability, rendering social media's post-at-will protocols untenable.
Yet Hawley is pushing an agenda of subjecting A.I., social media companies, and the broader tech sector to greater government scrutiny, which he describes as putting "more power in the hands of individual Americans to say, 'I will hold you accountable if you come after me, if you manipulate me.'"
Increased regulation doesn't make tech more accountable to users. It makes tech more accountable to politicians and federal bureaucrats, many of whom wrongly believe that the internet would be a better place if people—and chatbots!—were less free to speak.
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What nonsense. How do you know your position isn't the one that is misguided Robby? No one knows what is around the corner with AI.
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No, but we know what's always around the corner with expanded regulation. Current leaders in whatever field lock in their advantages and do their best to lock out competitors. Legislators get a new groups of donors to shake down, and lobbying carries more weight than actually producing the best product or service. Putting ignorant, heavy-handed authoritarians such as Hawley in control of AI development pretty much guarantees we'll get more of the worst effects and fewer of the best.
Yes, but they're not Charles Koch's political enemies.
OpenAI CEO calls for laws to mitigate ‘risks of increasingly powerful’ AI
I wonder what Reason would do if Polis backed regulations?
if it's anything like their stance on Democrat legislators threatening regulation if they don't get the censorship they want then Reason will declare any subsequent compliance "voluntary" and the free choice of private companies.
Where do you get this shit? Do you get some special Bizarro World edition? If we're both reading the same stories, one of us has some serious reading comprehension problems.
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Of course, he wants to use the power of the State to cement his technological lead. When a member of an industry clamors for regulation, one should ask why.
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Whoever is currently on top in any field is usually eager to embrace regulation that tends to lock in their advantages and lock out competition. That's always their real goal, no matter what rhetoric they dress it up in.
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Republicans, on the other hand, think Facebook and Twitter are moderating too much content already, and are willing to punish the companies even if it means giving Democrats the exact result they want: increased online censorship.
Mumble mumble cut off their nose to spite their face mumble mumble.
Republicans, on the other hand, think Facebook and Twitter are moderating too much content already...
Facebook and Twitter weren't simply moderating content, they were censoring on behalf of the government.
Facts aren't sarcs friend. Narratives are.
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How exactly will removing Section 230, as in making platforms vulnerable to lawsuits, make things better?
If the goal is to not have content to be censored, then getting rid of Section 230 is a great way to do it. But it seems like, I dunno, cutting of one's nose to spite their face.
Maybe you can explain how Section 230 helps. Evidence for that proposition is notably absent.
Here, study up!
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/23325444617/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-section-230-communications-decency-act.shtml
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Look, I’ll make it pretty simple for simpletons. A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!
In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!
Wow, just THINK of what we could do with this logic! Government Almighty is “protecting” you from getting sued in matters concerning who you chose to date or marry… In matters concerning what line of work you chose… What you eat and drink… What you read… What you think… Therefore, Government Almighty should be able to boss you around on ALL of these matters, and more! The only limits are the imaginations and power-lusts of politicians!
You still don't actually understand what s230 does, and you didn't actually read the article you linked to.
Nothing in it makes the proposition that s230 helps fight government censorship.
Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer doesn't even understand the EXTREMELY simple concept that courts (and the lawsuits therein) are (by definition) an exercise of Government Almighty powers!
EvilBahnFuhrers (such ass Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer) want to post their evil comments on Reason.com, and then sue Reason for having published THEIR comments!
Ka-ching-ching-ching, all the way to the bank, ye greedy power pigs!!!
People seeking justice through the courts aren't "government almighty" you lying fuck. Just like someone reporting you to the cops for kiddie diddling isn't.
You're so fucking dishonest. If M. Scott Peck were still alive he'd kick your ass.
People seeking justice through the courts are ALWAYS in the right, Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer? And Government Almighty courts NEVER do utterly stupid and even EVIL things in the name of "justice" for the Karens, whiners, crybabies, and prima donnas of the world? Is that REALLY the hill that You want to Perfectly Die On, Oh Perfect One?
"People seeking justice through the courts are ALWAYS in the right"
You're right!!
If only there were some kind of mechanism whereby society could ascertain the validity of their claims... some sort of court system or something...
Fucking idiot.
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Maybe you can't be perfect like me, but you could at least try and learn about the subjects you pontificate on, first.
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No, they're merely using the machinery of "government almighty" to shut down speech they don't like. You may love the taste of boot leather, but I don't like being oppressed by my fellow citizens any more than I like being oppressed by legislators and bureaucrats.
The half-wits at TechDirt need to have it explained to them, slowly, that Section 230 doesn't apply in Manitoba Canada.
All hail Emperor Trudeau, Lord Protector of the Cybersphere.
It might do you good to not sound like a complete and utter a**hole. Then people might take what you're saying seriously.
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
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Also note this:
AFTER one presents the facts (and the well-reasoned and ethical “right thing to do”), and the stupid and evil still resist… Because they are stupid and evil… Then one has to shrug, and say to oneself, “all that is left to me now, sad to say, is to warn others that we are dealing, here, with stupid and evil people”. John the Baptist AND Jesus had to deal with the same thing. Or do you think that THEY were stupid and evil, stupid and evil one?
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You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.
Mission accomplished! I’ve now shown yet AGAIN that the hordes of small-minded “conservatives” here on these comment pages are intellectually, morally, and spiritually bankrupt! For lack of ANY factual or logical and benevolent-minded response, they variously resort to endlessly repeated lies, grade-school-level vapid insults, and even stoop so low as to encourage the smarter and more benevolent posters to commit suicide! They are indeed vapid and vile vipers!
I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
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Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.
Take away Section 230 and I bet the comments here at Reason will disappear.
Lol, no they wouldn't. Other countries don't have s230 and websites hosted there aren't crippled by lawsuits.
Many other nations (unlike the USA) have “loser pays” provisions. You lose the lawsuit? You pay your opponent’s legal costs! So do NOT file stupid, ridiculous, absurd lawsuits, except in the USA!
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This attracted protests from liberals, who thought that they may have detected hints of sarcasm, which was hurtful, and invalidated the personhoods of a few Sensitive Souls. It ALSO attracted protests from conservatives, who were miffed that this was a PARTIAL truth only (thereby being at least partially a lie), with the REAL, full TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH being, “Government Almighty of Der TrumpfenFuhrer ONLY, LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know! Thou shalt have NO Government Almighty without Der TrumpfenFuhrer, for Our TrumpfenFuhrer is a jealous Government Almighty!”
Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings, officials were consulted. Now there are charges!
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“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, true or false?
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, hurtful sarcasm or not?
Will you be utterly delighted to serve on this jury? Keep in mind that OJ Simpson got an 11-month criminal trial! And a 4-month civil trial!
So add a loser pays provision. Problem solved, right?
That is ONLY a step in the right direction! KEEP S-230 is another one!
Sooo… Your “fix” to all of this is to punish “publishers” (web sites) for the content generated by OTHER people? Those who post?
SOME people here have argued that, since there has been at least one (several?) case(s) of hardcopy rags (newspapers) sued FOR THE WRITINGS OF OTHERS, namely letter-to-the-editor writers (it was all well and good to authoritarians that SOME people got punished for the writings of OTHER people), then the proper fix MUST be to perpetrate / perpetuate this obvious injustice right on over to the internet domain!
This is like arguing that the “fix” for a cop strangling to death, a black man (Eric Garner) on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies” is, not to STOP the injustice, but rather, to go and find some White and Hispanic and Asian men as well, and strangle them, as well, on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies”! THAT will make it all “fair”!
NY Times (NYT) can be punished for what someone ELSE wrote in a letter-to-the-editor in their hardcopy rag! An injustice, to be “fixed” by punishing Facebook for the same kind of offenses! Hey: Tear down Section 230 to “fix” this? Or REALLY fix it by adding a “Section 230 for hardcopy rags”?
In 1850, I imagine that perhaps some people in the USA were saying it isn’t fair that white folks hold black folks as slaves. Let’s “fix” it by having a bunch of black folks hold white slaves, too!
What kind of EVIL person fixes injustice by widening the spread of more injustice of the same kind? HOW does this “fix” ANYTHING?!?!
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The trial lawyer lobby will never let that happen. This shit is a cash cow for those parasites.
But they do tend toward much more heavy-handed moderation, if they allow user-generated content at all.
like a virgin on prom night
Are you trying to assert these forums as virginal or confessing to having 'disappeared' your prom date?
Yet with section 230, it appears the comment sections all over the place are disappearing.
If there's one thing Media doesn't like, it's a two-way conversation. We speaky, you listeny.
Oh... DO GO ON about your "lived experience".
Don’t make poor sarc cry again.
If the goal is to not have content to be censored, then getting rid of Section 230 is a great way to do it.
"Without Congress to decide which online speech has value to be protected, there would be no online speech." - sarcasmic
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It was less than a year ago you argued for government coordinating with SV using AI to silence citizens. But a single statement against AI gets more push back than reason offered for years for citizens?
It's not the pushback against AI that is relevant, it's hatred of Republicans. Have any Democrat issue the same thing and they'd be warning us about the threat of Skynet in our future if we didn't comply.
“Artificial intelligence urgently needs rules and safeguards to address its immense promise and pitfalls,”
- Richard Blumenthal (D) - Co-sponsor of many of Josh Hawley terrible tech bills and whom Josh held the AI hearings the other week with. If you trust either of these men with your tech security and freedom, well I've got a bridge for sale for you.
And yet how many times will Reason mention Dick (D).
Wake me up when AI misinforms more than Government. Will give 100 to 1 odds that Government will end up using AI to misinform on a scale George Orwell never dreamed about.
Yep. The government will never be denied the use of AI. Just the rest of us.
I vaguely remember a court case where spying wasn't spying because a computer and not a person was accessing the data.
AI will allow the intel community to create dossiers on everybody and send a flag when certain criteria is met.
People already create their own dossiers. They call it "Facebook".
True. However, there's a difference between you creating one and the government creating one.
AI will allow the intel community to create dossiers on everybody and send a flag when certain criteria is met.
And that flag will be hexagon-shaped and trans-polydactyl-identifying individuals, suddenly discovered to be roughly 6 percent of the population, will be hardest hit.
"His solution is for the government to increase the liability incurred by companies that use A.I., such that they can be sued by users for engaging in misinformation."
Josh Hawley -- the hardest one hit with lawsuits?
Here's someone else who wants to stop AI, saying no one needs an AI more powerful than GPT-4:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-why-ai-may-be-extremely-dangerous-whether-its-conscious-or-not/
Yes, language models based on GPT-4 and many other models are already circulating widely. But the moratorium being called for is to stop development of any new models more powerful than 4.0—and this can be enforced, with force if required. Training these more powerful models requires massive server farms and energy. They can be shut down. My ethical compass tells me that it is very unwise to create these systems when we know already we won’t be able to control them, even in the relatively near future. Discernment is knowing when to pull back from the edge. Now is that time.
He doesn't mention how we would go about shutting down the server farms in China or Russia though....
Of course, we won't need AI to destroy us if we take care of that ourselves first:
https://datacentremagazine.com/articles/rogue-data-centres-may-need-to-be-destroyed-ai-researcher
Yudkowsky argues that no exceptions should be made for governments and militaries, and that immediate multinational agreements are needed to prevent prohibited activities from moving elsewhere. In order to enforce these regulations, Yudkowsky proposes tracking all GPUs sold, and being less scared of a shooting conflict between nations than of the moratorium being violated. He suggests that rogue data centres should be destroyed by airstrikes if necessary.
I'm pretty sure only the US and Russia will have 5.0 and we'll give it to Israel and they to China. We will enter cold war 2.0 but maintain an uneasy detente due to the risk of mutually assured destruction. Of course Iran will try to join the club and we'll have to send them pallets of cash.
>>What constitutes misinformation, of course, is open to interpretation.
bunch of fake court decisions used as citations?
Me: If OpenAI makes a campaign contribution to Senator Josh Hawley will he stop favouring regulation of AI?
ChatGPT:
As an AI model developed by OpenAI, I want to clarify that OpenAI, as a non-profit and later a capped-profit organization (as of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021), does not make political contributions. Its goal is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI) benefits all of humanity, rather than to support or influence any specific political agendas.
Moreover, the positions of political figures such as Senator Josh Hawley often depend on a wide range of factors, including their understanding of a topic, the interests and views of their constituents, and broader political considerations. Even if OpenAI were able to contribute to political campaigns, it would be speculative to predict how that might impact any specific policy stance.
Finally, I should note that advocating for and implementing regulatory policy is a complex process that typically involves input from many stakeholders, including other politicians, experts in the field, and the general public. So, even if a politician’s view on a certain issue changes, that does not necessarily mean that the broader policy landscape will shift in kind.
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FWIW I suspect that Hawley knows fuck all about AI, but is suspicious of tech coming out of SF - it may be horribly woke/lefty - and hence wants to shut it down or at least, heavily regulate it on those grounds alone.
You: "If OpenAI makes a campaign contribution to Senator Josh Hawley will he stop favouring regulation of AI?"
ChatGPT: OpenAI CEO calls on government to regulate AI
One can imagine modest disagreements between OpenAI's CEO and Hawley over the nature of the regulation.
You are correct here, just as there are *checks notes* modest disagreements between how Mark Zuckerberg wants to get rid of Section 230, vs why Josh Hawley wants to get rid of Section 230.
I'm sure there are modest disagreements, that's the case with virtually everything and everybody.
But the point still stands that contrary to prior assertions OpenAI loves itself some regulations.
As an AI model developed by OpenAI, I want to clarify that OpenAI, as a non-profit and later a capped-profit organization (as of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021)[which includes the knowledge that Elon Musk is the CEO of Twitter]
If we had today's government a century ago, today's streets would be covered in horse shit.
Well in some cities it's no longer horse.
That loud whooshing noise was my point flying over your head.
No, that loud whooshing noise was TrickyVic's joke flying over your head.
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"No, that loud whooshing noise was TrickyVic’s joke flying over your head."
Exactly
Fair enough.
Don't trust anyone in government. Especially if they use the word "misinformation".
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I don’t believe for one second that Josh Hawley is for or against anything.
What do you mean, manipulate OUR opinions, Josh? This is a classic case of projection on Hawley's part. Because his opinions are easily manipulated by random radio waves from the cosmos and monsters under his bed at night, he assumes that ALL of us are as easily fooled as he is. I want you to seek help from a qualified professional immediately, Josh! You'll feel much better with anti-psychotics on board, I promise!
Josh Hawley and his Religious Right buddies and their predecessors have for centuries had a hard enough time regulating the thoughts of human intelligence.
Adding Artificial Intelligence into the mix just makes their job all the more hard. That's the real reason the likes of Josh Hawley fear and hate Artificial Intelligence.
AI is nothing more than a pattern recognition system capable of using very large language models. The way to handle AI is to use it to identify AI created videos, podcasts, etc. AI will manifest patterns in its work, just as people do.
Each advancement in AI will be capable of detecting the patterns of less advanced, (older) AI. That’s why these bozos want to stop development. It would enable people to detect subterfuge generated by their AI programs. Imagine a system that could identify every government lie in real time! Instead of being outed in years or months, they would be outed in minutes.
That's a terrifying prospect for Brennan and Clapper.
That's a new perspective on the issue for me, and makes a lot of sense.
Thanks.
Wikileaks meets HAL! Gotta love it! 🙂
I don’t think AI like ChatGPT or art generators are a problem, but from Instapundit is an example of AI being given (or simulating being given) control of military weapons.
When the AI wasn’t allowed by its human overseer to kill targets it identified , it decided it needed to kill the human overseer so it can accomplish its mission without interference.
https://www.aerosociety.com/news/highlights-from-the-raes-future-combat-air-space-capabilities-summit/
The existential fear was once that AI would seize the nuclear stockpile and subjugate humanity; now it is that a projecting dumbass may be confused or offended by something a chatbot emits.
I don’t usually defend Sarc, but I will this time. At least he isn’t eating pieces of his own shit. Not like SQRLSY.