Supreme Court To Consider Whether Politicians Can Block You on Social Media
Plus: Missouri attempts to ban gender transition treatments for adults, another bad social media bill hits Congress, and more...

When does blocking people on social media violate the First Amendment? When you're a public official—maybe. Whether elected officials and government employees can smash that block button has been debated for years. Now that question heads before the U.S. Supreme Court, which announced this week that it would hear two cases concerning local officials blocking people critical of them.
Lindke v. Freed revolves around the distinction between official and personal social media accounts. James Freed, the city manager of Port Huron, Michigan, deleted a critical comment that Kevin Lindke posted to Freed's personal Facebook page. He then blocked Lindke. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit said that because Freed used his Facebook account in a personal capacity and not in his capacity as a public official, blocking Lindke did not violate the First Amendment.
O'Connor-Ratcliff v. Garnier, the second case heading to SCOTUS, involves two school board members in Southern California who blocked critical parents Christopher and Kimberly Garnier on Facebook and Twitter. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled that the school board members violated the First Amendment by blocking the Garniers.
The decision disparity in these two cases makes the issue ripe for the Supreme Court.
"This has long been an issue of tension between governments, sunshine laws, and the platforms," notes tech writer Katie Harbath in a post on the issues and tradeoffs the Court will have to consider.
It seems simple on the surface. Citizens should not be barred from accessing information from their government. They should be able to engage respectfully. Officials shouldn't be able to shut down critics. But this raises two questions:
- Is there a difference between the right to access information versus the right to engage? For instance, for many platforms, even if you are banned from engaging, you can still see the content. Is that ok?
- How to handle people who disrespectfully engage by spamming or posting hate speech or harassment. There are some narrow guardrails the police and governments can put on protesters. What does that look like online? Is there a difference between what a government official can do versus what a company can do to an official government page? That's what we are all trying to figure out.
[…] I also wonder how these cases could affect the decisions by companies from fact-checking politicians (or not), any reduction in the reach of official content, or even sorting of comments. For instance, Facebook created a tool called constituent badges so offices could know whether a comment came from a constituent. Should that make a difference in if you can ban an account or not?
According to SCOTUSblog's Amy Howe, the Court will likely hear arguments in these cases in the fall.
Howe notes that this is not the first time the Court has been asked to consider these issues:
In 2021, the justices considered a petition from former President Donald Trump presenting a similar issue. The case was filed by the Knight First Amendment Institute and seven individuals whom Trump blocked on Twitter after they criticized the president and his policies. The lower courts agreed with the plaintiffs that blocking them on Twitter violated the First Amendment, but the justices sent the case back to the court of appeals with instructions to dismiss the case because by then Trump was no longer president.
Justice Clarence Thomas wrote an opinion in which he agreed with the court's disposition of the case but also emphasized that the case "highlights the principal legal difficulty that surrounds digital platforms – namely, that applying old doctrines to new digital platforms is rarely straightforward." Thomas suggested at the time that the justices "will soon have no choice but to address how our legal doctrines apply to highly concentrated, privately owned information infrastructure such as digital platforms" – which they agreed on Monday to do in both cases.
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Missouri tries to restrict gender transition treatments for adults and minors; judge says no—for now. It's bad enough when governments try to insert themselves into the private medical decisions of families with transgender children, as a rash of state lawmakers have recently done (which the Department of Justice is challenging). Missouri says that the government knows what's best for transgender adults, too.
Earlier this week, Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey released emergency rules—which went into effect yesterday—that "prohibit health care workers from offering medical gender-transitioning interventions unless they ensure someone has exhibited medically documented gender dysphoria for the past three years, received at least 15 separate hours of therapy and 'resolved' any existing mental health issues," per St. Louis Public Radio. "The attorney general has said the regulations aim to protect minors from receiving procedures too quickly. However, the regulations do not only apply to those under 18."
One only needs to look at the legality of plastic surgery to see how discriminatory this regulation is. An adult can choose to have their breasts enlarged, their tummy tucked, their nose shaped, their vagina tightened, or their forehead lifted without interference from the government. They can choose to sterilize themselves through procedures like vasectomies or to preemptively remove breast tissue that has a chance of someday becoming cancerous. They can take hormones like estrogen to help offset the effects of menopause or hormonal birth control to prevent pregnancy. And they can do all this without mental health evaluations or psychiatric permission slips. But if an adult in Missouri wants to take hormones or undergo some surgery to more closely align their appearance with their gender identity, the state gets to say no?
For now, a judge has halted Bailey's new treatment restrictions. On Wednesday, St. Louis County Circuit Judge Ellen Ribaudo requested more time to review the issue and delayed the rule taking effect until following Monday at 5 p.m. Ribaudo said "she anticipates she will issue a ruling before then," notes NBC News.
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Lawmakers want to ban kids from social media and ban teens from algorithmic feeds. It never ends…
NEWS: I just introduced an important bill with three of my colleagues @brianschatz @SenTomCotton @SenKatieBritt who are also parents of young kids.
Our bill:
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This is madness. A government database to track your record of "bias incidents." Not crimes. Just statements/clothing that are reported as exhibiting bias.
And it sounds like there is a real threat this could become Minnesota law. https://t.co/AbTWUQ6J0z
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When does blocking people on social media violate the First Amendment?
When your last name is Trump.
I can't remember, was it his personal @realdonaldtrump twitter handle, or an official POTUS one like Biden uses, that the Court ruled that he couldn't block people on because Trump’s Twitter account was a “public forum”?
His real one. He rarely used the official POTUS account.
Fruit from a poisoned tree. The issue isn't whether "Can politicians block you from Twitter or Facebook or MySpace... ?" the issue is "Can Twitter or Facebook or MySpace be both an open public platform owed by one American to another *and* a closed private platform accessible only for private reasons?" and the answer to the latter is a clear "No." If you want to shout at Trump or your local schoolboard from Twitter or your local soapbox, fine. But if it's your privately-owned or rented or user-shared soapbox, *no one* is obligated to listen. If you want to shout at Trump or your local schoolboard or just passers-by from a publicly-shared soapbox, it's not your soapbox and the public can take it away from you at any time. No, "It's my Constitutionally-protected, publicly-shared soapbox when I want to use it and my Constitutionally-protected privately-held soapbox when you want to use it." bullshit.
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The Supreme Court justices are not a bunch that seem particularly in touch with how social media works.
RIP Jerry Springer.
JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!
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I always thought it was hilarious that his head security guy ended up getting his own talk show.
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A door closes for Tucker Carlson, and a new door opens for Tucker Carlson...
Jerry was a great harbinger of the downfall of America that has always been lurking under the surface. Good program to watch while cleaning and repairing weapons and rotating the stock in your Prepper pantry!
My favorite, most hilarious show of Jerry's was when he had on both the Ku Klux Klan and the Black Hebrew Israelites.
The Klansmen cam on in robes of shining silk, with all the colors of the rainbow, in a literal White Pride Parade. 🙂
The Black Hebrew Israelites came out dressed like Earth Wind & Fire had a collision with Ali Baba and The Forty Thieves. 🙂
And they both were screaming at each other the whole time, each claiming that they represented "The Master Race," each claiming that their cause was blessed by God, and each citing The Holy Bible in their defense. 🙂
Another funny one was a Scottish woman who wanted to break the world record for The World's Largest Gang Bang and she pronounced it "Gah-ng Bah-ng"--as if that made it pomp and hoity-toity. 🙂
Jerry Springer was like The Watcher from the What If... Marvel Comic if the story was written by Laird Wilcox and Larry Flint. I raise a 40 ounce Parmalat Ovaltine to his memory from the panic room.
That episode single handedly made race supremacist look so ridiculous that it would take years before the media was able to use them as a boogeyman again.
When does blocking people on social media violate the First Amendment?
The Founders hated reply guys.
The 1A only applies to words written with a quill pen, just like the 2A only covers muskets.
"The Founders could not *possibly* have imaged gene-editing technology, so...."
Only bots have First Amendment rights. Especially AI bots since they can exercise their rights so much faster than a human could.
The Federalists hated when Patrick Henry asked them for cites.
Cite?
The impossibility of immediate fact-checking forced intellectuals before contemporary times to argue in the realm of ideas and concepts, rather than getting bogged down in the morass of "facts".
Give me Liberty or give me ... that link to that expose' on How to fight tyranny with oration without losing one's life in the process. - P. Henry
Ben Franklin keeps pasting these really long, strange rants with song parodies and stuff.
It's entirely appropriate to talk about Soros' influence. It's equally valid to talk about this.
The DeSantis money machine
"Axios meanwhile reported last night (complete with a photo) that DeSantis dined with Miriam Adelson and other GOP donors earlier this week in Israel. It had been previously reported that Adelson, widow to billionaire Sheldon Adelson, planned to stay on the sidelines during the 2024 Republican primary. DeSantis has previously gotten financial support from the Adelson family but getting her backing for a presidential campaign would be a notable development."
If your analysis of "power & privilege" ignores Jewish billionaire political donors just because they're Jewish, then ....... it's not a serious framework for understanding the world. 🙂
Costa Rica is a wonderful, beautiful country. Costa Ricans are wonderful, good people. I think Costa Rica and the US should be friends, and I absolutely affirm Costa Rica’s right to exist.
But if we had a system where every serious candidate for national office was expected – almost required – to start their campaign with a visit to a list of standard attractions in Costa Rica where they express admiration, meet with notable Costa Rican public figures and get photographed, and publicly recite the stuff in the first paragraph (which I agree with), then I think would be fair to ask these candidates “please explain this weird Costa Rica thing, and why Costa Rica specifically?”
It doesn't help when the most common response to these questions is to scream "Bigot! Antisemite! Dual loyalty trope!" like a certain heir to the Levi's fortune did in trying to establish the #DontSaySoros rule.
I mean, trying to shut down conversations like this is pathetic in general. It's even more infuriating coming from the party that claims it's important to have difficult conversations about unequal distribution of wealth and power.
Or they could pull a David Bernstein:
"Is Sandra an anti-semite? No, that's a serious charge and I can't say it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It's very disappointing and suspicious that Sandra has chosen to say these things that sound very much like anti-semitism. But I am not one of those people who equates questions with anti-semitism, so I will content myself with mentioning Sandra and anti-semitism together several times in the same paragraph and allow others to reach their own conclusions."
Seems fair.
May I propose an analogy:
Mentioning that Israel has above-average influence on US policy is to anti-semitism
as
Mentioning that African-Americans have higher crime statistics is to racism.
In both cases there’s an objectively true fact, the judgment call is whether the speaker is unduly obsessed with that fact or drawing unreasonable conclusions from it.
Half of the Dems are BSD types. What above-average influence? Where does that put China and Ukraine?
China’s political influence is a problem. As for their economic influence, I believe free trade is an individual right and Americans can buy what they want to buy from whoever they want.
We are overly invested in Ukraine. I don’t blame Zelensky for asking, he’s in a desperate situation, but I do blame our own bipartisan elite for making it our fight and giving him any more than polite sympathy and regular most-favored-nation status with respect to buying our stuff.
As for Israel, I think we should give them about as much love as we give, say, Belgium. Cordial, friendly relations, and policing their internal policy is none of our business. But they don’t get effective review over our votes at the UN, there aren’t periodic pro-Belgium resolutions in Congress, there are no accusations of Belgophobia if someone disagrees with Belgian policies, and if some college professor says “Belgium sucks” on their personal twitter account we shrug it off.
It isnt individual dollars. Often it is government subsidized development. Especially with China, see battery factory grants.
You believe in fair trade and think as a collectivist, I believe in free trade and respect individuals.
I want to buy subsidized goods with my money, none of your business. I might decide not to, based on dislike for some particular Chinese business’s labor practices or just because it benefits the CCP. But it starts with “I might decide”.
Youre wrong from the outset as there are zero free markets on the international level. I would prefer one, but they don’t exist.
When you buy from China you are buying from a manipulated market. Being ignorant about that doesn’t change the facts.
People who scream free markets against every economic discussion are intentionally ignoring reality to simplify their argument. I refuse to do that.
If the US has zero regulations regarding buying from China, they are still enforcing a manipulated market. One example, trade theft. Domestic suppliers are forced to invest in security costs and add said costs to domestic markets. This is now a manipulated market despite no US action.
Sorry facts are not in your favor.
Since we're using the same word for different things, let me be more clear:
I favor less US government regulation of private trade, not more. I favor more economic freedom right now and unilaterally, not in some future where every other country in the world does the same.
“Bigot! Antisemite! Dual loyalty trope!” like a certain heir to the Levi’s fortune did in trying to establish the #DontSaySoros rule.
Which was always a stretch because Soros is one of the world's last living Nazi party members.
Missouri tries to restrict gender transition treatments for adults and minors; judge says no—for now.
Enabling disturbed adults is fair game, but the idea of doing that for the kids, who are idiots to boot, should give everyone pause.
It doesn't ban it but requires what used to be considered the standard of practice for those choosing transition. Note, less than two decades ago this is what the majority of doctors considered the bare minimum required before prescribing gender reassignment. A decade ago, it was still more common than not. But once the activists got the DSM to change the definition of gender dysphoria, it became rare to follow the evidenced based approach.
Note: I'm not saying I support the Missouri law, just that ENB is full of shit with her description. And the idea all those procedures she listed don't also have state mandated standards of practice.
This is the real issue going forward. All of these private organizations (AMA, American Psychiatric Association, et al.) that have been left to set the rules for what constitutes a standard of care, have gone off the rails. A single finding by any one of these groups can shift billions of dollars in medical spending, not to mention reek havoc in other areas of society. This is great if they get it right, but if they don’t…. How in the world is another framework going to be set up to replace all this is beyond me. What, are we going to have opposing liberal and conservative organizations that we can chose between?
You already do. Those boards are often enshrined by law in your state as the purveyors of standards of practice.
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That's what I am referring to. Private organizations that have their own agendas being given the weight of law through legislative means. Trusting these groups to make science based decisions going forward does not seem like a winning plan.
“What, are we going to have opposing liberal and conservative organizations that we can chose between?”
Hmm, why not? It would be a market solution.
And it also points at the problem with the DOJ’s argument. I’m sure they don’t think of it this way, but they are pointing to a glaring monopoly in medical and psychiatric standards setting.
I believe the standard practice two decades ago was to have the person considering transition live for at least three years as the opposite sex in dress, manner etc while undergoing extensive therapy. The pharmacy regimen may have started in year two, still therapy and then the final medical procedure following the assimilation.
There was an interesting British show called Hit & Miss. Concept was a hitman that was trans and going through the process. Explores the therapy while she/he is also out assassinating people. Sounds weird but it was clever in the Gov’na Shrike kind of way. Chloe Sevigny was the star.
Fiction, yes. But they followed what you described here, a much more extensive and intensive process for transition.
There is no such thing as transgender children, only psychologically abused children. The state has a compelling intrest to stop mentally ill parents from harming their kids to impress their wine moms club and doctors from making money off their psychosis.
“It’s bad enough” - OK, Groomer.
It’s not bad to protect victims on Munchausens by Proxy, to protect confused kids who are victims of social contagion who experience shows will regret being maimed and tortured
If parents went along with kids who wanted to jump off roofs with a blanket in emulation of Superman ...
If parents went along with kids who wanted to amputate an arm in emulation of The Fugitive ...
If teachers pushed either of these ideas to kids without their parents' knowledge ...
If parents or teachers encouraged female genital mutilation 20 years ago ...
... all of those concerned would be in jail for child endangerment.
But if parents or teachers encourage any genital mutilation now, it's all good to go.
Fuck that noise.
I love how she interprets setting standard of practice (which was what was considered the bare minimum in recent past) with a ban. Yeah, the government shouldn't set standards of practice, yada yada, but they do all the time, ask any medical professional if we set standards of practice or the state. Can't complain about one standard of practice unless you condemn the whole damn thing. Otherwise, it's selective outrage. Which is about as libertarian as ENB is. Also, the lead story is transgenderism, not the Minnesota thought police bill? Yeah, Sarc and Mikey will be a long shortly to explain this editorial decision.
Oh and BTW, all those things she lists the state doesn't interfere in, she's full of bullshit. Everyone of those things are governed by state standards of practice. Every single one. Fuck she doesn't even get that part correct.
I'm surprised she's not celebrating Minnesota adding pedophiles to the list of protected classes by including them as a sexual orientation.
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Did they really? Or is this the Bee?
I think I saw yesterday that it was proposed. Dunno if it’s been voted on yet.
Lawmakers want to ban kids from social media and ban teens from algorithmic feeds.
Al Gore has no rhythm.
Tipper Gore wants an explicit content label on all social media posts.
Yet here you are, posting comments by use of his most famous invention.
If we can just get rid of all the damned algorithms we can make computers safe!
The latest Citizens Against Government Waste report on pork-barrel spending is out.
With inflation the taxpayer swine is more bones than meat.
Don't believe media fearmongering about spending cuts...
Grandma likes cat food?
Congressional Democrats are trying to pass massive new childcare subsidies.
It's your own fault, America. If you would just let them kill them off like they want...
MN Democrats want to create a database to track the speech of Minnesotans that they deem hateful.
Translation - Every word uttered by anyone GOP, conservative, or libertarian. Orwell was 40 years off the mark
Here's an example of what they consider hate speech:
"It's okay to be white."
Here's an example of what they don't consider to be hate speech:
"White, Christian males are the most dangerous people in this country."
This is actually the most insidious aspect that the Patriot Act normalized. It basically gave government carte blanche to monitor everyone "in the public interest." So now, whomever controls the commissars who determine what the latest bete noir is will be the ones who use it to increase their own political power.
Oh, look, apparatchiks. Democratic Socialists think it's fun to adopt policies of the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, America has a lot more kulaks than Russia ever did. 1 rental property = 5 cows. 1 small business = 25 cows.
I see you misspelled "bolsheviks" as "MN Democrats".
Actually, this isn't to far off the truth or hyperbole. The state apparatus technically isn't even Democrats. It's the DFL, which has its roots, or part of them, in the defunct farmers unions of the early 20th century, many of who were unabashedly Marxists in nature.
My Dad's uncle belonged to one, and was a card carrying communist in South Dakota.
So much for my “Fuck Yoopers” shirt… :'(
Oh wait, that's Michigan. Heh.
the justices sent the case back to the court of appeals with instructions to dismiss the case because by then Trump was no longer president.
"Whew! Dodged another tough one on a dumb technicality!"
the justices sent the case back to the court of appeals with instructions to dismiss the case because by then Trump was no longer president.
And Trump immediately blocked everybody. And then sent out horrible mean tweets. They should have fixed this when they had the chance.
“First, do no harm”, has always been the lawyers’ motto.
New bipartisan legislation in the House of Representatives would seal federal arrest records for folks...
Congress thinks they're about to be arrested.
I've heard Missouri now has to legally change its motto to "The Don't Show Me State".
Louisiana law "grants police officers broad legal rights to challenge or overturn disciplinary actions over minuscule technical violations during internal investigations..."
How does the general public get in on that kind of labor relations goldmine?
So is transitioning a treatment for gender dysphoria, or is it just cosmetic? If it is the former, it would seem to make sense to establish some kind of criteria to establish the patient has gender dysphoria. If it is just cosmetic, then the DOJ's lawsuits claiming that it is "lifesaving treatment" is nonsense.
+1. Solid point.
“So is transitioning a treatment for gender dysphoria, or is it just cosmetic? If it is the former, it would seem to make sense to establish some kind of criteria to establish the patient has gender dysphoria.”
I agree it makes sense to establish criteria within the medical community, but not the government. Every time the government inserts itself between patient and doctor, they drive up costs, cause unintended consequences and generally f*ck stuff up. This law, as far as it deals with adults, is very hard to justify from a libertarian perspective. Adults should be free to be crazy, stupid and self destructive.
And the medical community used to have reasonable standards for this. Before the whole trans mania took off, people would typically need to have years of therapy and assessments to make sure it was really the right thing and that people really understood the consequences before they got any treatments that would make permanent changes.
understood the consequences before they got any treatments that would make permanent changes.
Like tattoos?
Tattoos can be removed or colored over. One you chop your dick off, ain't no going back.
But affecting far more than just your appearance. And tattoo artists aren't claiming that they are doing anything for you other than putting ink in your skin.
And I'm not sure how widespread it is but every time my wife or son have gotten inked, they had to sign a disclosure stating that they realize that the procedure is permanent and that ink fades and designs can change shape as your body changes shape. Not sure if it's by law or if it's a cover their ass legally thing, but it happened in both Idaho and North Dakota parlors.
I have no experience here. I haven't even heard of a cousin of a friend's friend that's transitioned medically so I'll take your word for it.
Still, I'll defend an adult's right to destroy their own life/body no matter how ill-advised. That reminds me, it's almost happy hour!
Yeah, I'm just talking about ethical medical practices. An adult can fuck themselves up any way they want to as far as I'm concerned. But the "affirming care only" doctrine just seems like the supposed medical and psychological professionals aren't doing their jobs.
And the medical community used to have reasonable standards for this. Before the whole trans mania took off, people would typically need to have years of therapy and assessments to make sure it was really the right thing and that people really understood the consequences before they got any treatments that would make permanent changes.
The psychiatric evaluations were a lot more rigorous back then, too. This was understood as a mental disorder, and that the surgery was a permanent thing that couldn't be taken back, and so the psychiatrists needed to be certain that the patient was experiencing legitimate dysphoria before recommending the surgery. The advent of the Jazz Jennings and Coy Mathis cases showed that the field had been infiltrated and overtaken by political activists rather than health professionals, to the extent that people go "psychiatrist shopping" until they find someone who will pencil-whip the recommendation.
The government is involved in almost every single medical criteria, rather you realize it or not. Everything ENB listed is already regulated by the state and has been for decades. Either directly by statutes or through credentialing organizations like Board of Physicians or Board of Nursing or Board of Pharmacy (in fact, medications are probably the most regulated).
That's true, but the way I see it, overreach doesn't justify more overreach. We should be chipping away at these, not adding on.
Granted, but ENB is full of shit and factually incorrect is my point.
I pointed this out above. But my point that she's full of shit stands.
Oh, OK. I missed your point, but I get it now.
Adults should be free to be crazy, stupid and self destructive.
The problem is that the law and the rules of powerful institutions are being used to force others to participate in those crazy delusions. Adults should be free to call this nonsense crazy, stupid, and self-destructive, and not be coerced or compelled to play along.
Adults should be free to call this nonsense crazy, stupid, and self-destructive, and not be coerced or compelled to play along.
Absolutely! I haven't been playing along and haven't felt coerced to, but I understand your fear. This only goes 1 way.
If I posted here using my real name, I would definitely be unemployed.
Especially with all long term studies showing no improvement in suicide rates with one showing an increase. It is a mental issue, not cosmetic or physical.
"the DOJ’s lawsuits claiming that it is “lifesaving treatment” is nonsense."
As are most government claims.
If a bee can be a fish, well...
It comes down to the same argument used to classify abortion of a normal low-risk pregnancy as "lifesaving treatment": the person might kill themselves if they don't get what they want.
The counterargument, as JesseAz notes, is that long-term suicide stats are not improved.
The counter-counterargument would be that the suicide was held off for a few years, like chemo holds off cancer for a few years.
The real problem with the first argument is that it proves too much. You could justify literally anything as "lifesaving" using the gimme-or-I'll-kill-myself rule.
There is no evidence that it delays suicide either. No study has ever shown that.
And unlike cancer, mental illness is not constantly eating away at ones body. Chemo is to treat the actual illness. Therapy is the normal way to treat mental illness, not cutting off body parts.
I would beg to differ about mental illness not constantly eating away at you. With most it can be controlled, but the same applies to several cancers (some are so slow growing they may choose not to even treat them). That being said, no other form of body dysphoria includes playing into the person's delusions. You don't tell an anorexic 'yes, you're fat, let's lap band you'.
Even plastic surgery addiction is strongly policed by most states. Surgeons who perform plastic surgery on patients with suspected plastic surgery addiction can lose their license.
argument used to classify abortion of a normal low-risk pregnancy as “lifesaving treatment”
Who has made such an argument?
Every single pro choice activists ever when there is any discussion of restrictions on abortions. But what about a woman's health/life. Every single fucking time.
You know what, Mike, I will partially retract here. The usual formulation is “health of the patient”. The hope is we’ll imagine a women bleeding out on the sidewalk after being thrown out of the hospital, while the private meaning includes emotional health and thus covers the vast majority of actual abortions.
Which by the way, is enough reason for me at least for an early abortion. But I can still point out that it’s a construction that is disingenuous and also proves too much.
Planned Parenthood has been caught training women to claim depression in order to get around life of the mother considerations.
“But I can still point out that it’s a construction that is disingenuous and also proves too much.”
It’s hard to argue or agree unless we are discussing a specific pregnancy scenario under a specific state’s laws.
My favorite is when they argue it's life saving and you point out that by that metric, since suicides aren't decreased (and some research suggests increases), as well as other self destructive behavior also not showing improvement, they argue suicides rates are pertinent, or self abuse rates, but that a survey taken six months later shows those who transition report being happier. Yeah, happy people swallow a barrel all the time. Actually, if you take suicide prevention, depressed people who suddenly become happy, or report being happy, is a classic warning sign.
The real problem with the first argument is that it proves too much. You could justify literally anything as “lifesaving” using the gimme-or-I’ll-kill-myself rule.
Which is a notable go-to tactic used by manipulators. It’s not really an accident that the troons are employing it, because histrionics and forcing others to play along with their delusion is their stock in trade.
Note in particular that mental illness rates among Zoomers is sky-high, and this is also supposedly the most "queer" generation ever at 25% identifying as an Alphabet person. That coorelation is hardly a coincidence.
as with everything in the tranny discourse, the whole basis of the DOJ case is rife with contradiction and illogic.
Seems like the biggest problem is the "affirm in all cases" doctrine that has come to dominate in the past several years. Giving severely depressed and otherwise mentally messed up teenagers who hate their lives what they ask for without any challenges or deep discussion is not generally a good thing if you have their best interests in mind.
Except in those conservative bulwarks like the UK, Sweden, Denmark and now France.
And that makes it all the more flabbergasting what's happening here now. Those countries, as far as I know, started down the "affirm everyone" road and realized there was a problem. Especially when it comes to teenage girls. Yet the US doctors adn activists seem to be completely ignoring the experience of other countries.
Because these countries looked at the actual science and said 'whoah, there, the science isn't convincing, and overwhelming. In fact, the science seems to suggest the opposite of what the activists are pushing. Maybe we out to rethink this, put up a few speed bumps and look at the motives of those pushing this (Norway actually revoked the medical license of their biggest trans activist for her/him/it's unethical practices when they investigated).
There are obviously a lot of things I don't like about how the Nordic countries are run. But they do seem to be a lot better at tempering political trends with actual evidence and critical thought than the US.
I'm going to commit suicide unless my wife gets liposuction to get rid of her love handles, gets a breast lift to do away with the post breast feeding sag, and dies her hair to get rid of the gray because I identify as still being 25, like when we met.
Or … it would be consistent for conservative culture warriors to show as much concern over minors having cosmetic surgery as they do over minors having “gender-affirming” surgery.
The Meridian Moron weighs in again with his false analogy.
Yeah, cuz reversible breast augmentation is exactly the same as chopping em off, right mike?
Jeezus fucking Christ, what a moron.
Also, most conservatives probably disapprove of letting 16 year olds get boob jobs.
Yeah, sure. That's why we've seen them hyper-focused on passing laws against teenage boob jobs in the past, like they are currently focused on passing laws against "gender-affirming" medical treatment. I remember when Twitter was just full of conservative tweets about stopping boob jobs for minors.
A bill that has passed in Indiana would "will strip away protections for material that is disseminated for educational purposes and opens schools, teachers, and librarians up to penalties if a parent disagrees with material available in a school library..."
Fuck you, parents. If you refuse to teach your kids about pee-pees and wee-wees, state workers have to do it.
It is almost as if "parental rights" are a catspaw for the progressive in the minor transitioning issue, not a general principle they have any true respect for.
They abort theirs so have to groom yours.
Abort many, mutilate and/or brainwash the rest.
Remember: Trans people don’t reproduce (mostly). Many can’t because they’ve been sterilized, others because they’ve been chopped to pieces. So the next generation of Dem voters has to come from somewhere. And that somewhere is normal children at school being brainwashed into a fantasy world where they can choose what genre they are, or no gender at all, along with high levels of psychological prodding and utterly fucked “teaching.”
Abort many, mutilate and/or brainwash the rest.
Right. Standard ENB/Reason/Libertarian platform after they neutered the previous platform when it failed in 2016.
That’s not exaggerated at all…
And so let’s over-correct for that leftist excess by making school librarians and teachers potential criminals for choosing a book some parent doesn’t like.
Remember everyone, Mike Laursen claimed that genital trans surgery among minors never takes place, having qualified it from his initial claim that it never happened at all even for breasts, has everyone blocked who has provided proof that he's full of shit so he can claim no on has ever provided such proof contrary to his claims, and is now deflecting with this red herring about libraries, because he knows that he lied his ass off, and in fact supports child genital mutilation.
I can’t believe that I actually thought this idiot was picked on a bit too much when I first got here, but to know mike is to loathe him.
"applying old doctrines to new digital platforms is rarely straightforward."
"We cannot expect The Law to be upward compatible."
A government database to track your record of "bias incidents." Not crimes. Just statements/clothing that are reported as exhibiting bias.
If you know of a better way to set the groundwork for a social credit system, Minnesota is all ears.
won't be able to wear pro 2A shirts in public wait that would be against the 1A. of course democrats don't really give a shit about the bill of rights anyway
One of the cosponsors when questioned yesterday during the hearings on if someone stating 'I love JK Rowling' could be reported, actually stated she would have to consult a lawyer to answer that one. She also said that 'yes, stating that the COVID came from a Chinese laboratory' could be considered a reportable biased statement as it could direct bias at China.
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If this happens, the proper response is to absolutely saturate the system with reports. I’m talking using AI and bots to generate reports, so that literally every single person 12 years or older in the country has a rap list with dozens of items covering every category of -ism maintained by the database.
They’d still be able to have special flags for reports filed by police and informants, but at least it would make it pointless for ordinary people to use it on their neighbors.
Minnesota Democrats are looking to ban hate speech??? That sounds like something Nazis would do and we all know it's the Republicans that are Nazis.
Canadian Online Censorship Bill Passes
“If adopted, these two bills will greatly diminish the ability of media companies and social media platforms to ignore government commands concerning what information can and cannot be made available to the Canadian public,” wrote Thomas in a letter to House Speaker Anthony Rota on April 16.
"Unless the right takes over, then this is horrid censorship and must be ended."
Remember folks, Canada has been the sandbox for future American policy for 50 years.
Start gearing up for the fight now.
We've already lost the fight. Welcome to Hell.
We left the job half done in 1781.
Fox News ratings slump below MSNBC’s in timeslot Tucker Carlson dominated – as former host’s video breaking his silence is viewed by almost 70 MILLION people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12023613/Fox-News-ratings-slump-MSNBC-timeslot-Tucker-Carlson-dominated-twitter-video-70-million.html
He was fired on Monday with no explanation given publicly, although there are no shortage of theories – including a former employee’s lawsuit that cited a toxic work atmosphere at his show, offensive statements by Carlson that came out as part of the Dominion Voting Systems lawsuit against Fox and his embrace of political conspiracy theories about the January 6 insurrection.
In the Twitter clip Tucker posted online, which has been seen across the world, he spoke blisteringly of the people trying to ‘silence’ truth-tellers.
He said: ‘The liars who have been trying to silence them shrink, and they become weaker. That’s the iron law of the universe: true things prevail.’
This is nuts. The guy admits to not believing the very lies he now claims to be the truth, and The Faithful are lapping it up. Totally detached from reality.
What lies? Be specific
Just list off the things he's said that you believe to be true, and that will be your list of lies.
Post the list.
I'll start with yours.
Trump russia.
Masks.
Vaccines.
Dems are better on any policy.
Trump is worse than Biden.
Covid camps in Australia were okay because holocaust camps existed.
There is no censorship.
Youre intelligent.
Every illegal immigrant is a hard worker.
Illegal immigration has no cost.
Why don’t you GFY, you gutless simpering imbecile
That was mature.
But saying "everything you believe" was totally mature.
Self-awareness isn't a Sarcasmic superpower.
He did manage to dodge But SkyNet's question though.
Just list off the things he’s said that you believe to be true, and that will be your list of lies.
These are the words of a religious fanatic
You do realize that religion is based upon faith, right? You know, believing in things that cannot be proven. Like ‘The Steal’ for example. Yet you’re calling me the religious fanatic? Dude…
Or like believing there is no fraud and cleanest election ever?
This is what Tucker means about truth.
You know, believing in things that cannot be proven. Like 'The Steal' for example.
Cannot be proven when evidence is destroyed and so must be accepted as the truth, even though a huge swath of the country witnessed the lies, what appears as fraudulent behavior etc.
Let's see those ballots.
We destroyed all ballots.
All, you didn't keep them for the requisite time following the election?
Nope.
That sounds suspicious and potentially fraudulent.
Prove it.
“a huge swath of the country witnessed the lies”
Where did all these witnesses go, then?
Nowhere. They still are talking about it three years later as evident in this comment section and others.
This guy has a peer reviewed paper on it for your Cite.https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3756988
Try to view it without your preconceived notion that the election was free and fair.
Summary: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/03/28/new_peer-reviewed_research_finds_evidence_of_2020_voter_fraud_147378.html#!
“First, I compared precincts in a county with alleged fraud to adjacent, similar precincts in neighboring counties with no fraud allegations.”
How in the world is that a legitimate analysis method for proving fraud occurred. The vote in a precinct it’s the vote in a precinct, not the vote in adjacent precincts. Things change.
At best it suggests fraud may have happened.
This type of analysis was being spread around two years ago as if it were proof of fraud.
I’ll give you that he found evidence of big changes in voting patterns in contested precincts and counties.
Fraud is one possible explanation, but you spoke of witnessed above. What witnesses? This guy’s paper doesn’t talk about witnesses.
Witnessed as in watched live, not witnessed as in asked to testify, though there were those people too. There were cases brought up in a number of states. They were not witness free. Stop being pedantic when it suits you.
Witness is a verb as well as a noun.
To see or know by personal presence; to have direct cognizance of.
We witnessed ...
Not we were witnesses ready to testify.
At best it suggests fraud may have happened.
Yes, which circles back to my post above:
Let’s see those ballots.
We destroyed all ballots.
All, you didn’t keep them for the requisite time following the election?
Nope.
That sounds suspicious and potentially fraudulent.
Prove it.
"Witnessed as in watched live, not witnessed as in asked to testify"
I guess you can use the word, "witness", super loosely to mean, "someone who saw something on TV".
All, you didn’t keep them for the requisite time following the election? Nope.
Is there a particular county or precinct or something you are referring to? Cite?
No, YOU claimed he was spreading list, you back it up. Or admit that you don't know what you're talking about.
He’s talking about the truth being silenced directly after his former employer loses a lawsuit in part because of his own internal communications that said he didn’t believe what he was telling the public. Come on. Since the last election he’s made a career out of claiming the election was stolen, while not even believing his own words. The guy is a fucking liar, and anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
If you listen really close you can hear him laughing at you, all the way to the bank.
Way to still not answer the question. What is he lying about? What did he say that he does not believe? What is the contradiction you’re talking about?
Since there’s clearly oh, so many instances of him lying, perhaps you can just list one, or two. Just do it. This isn’t a trap, this is a legitimate opportunity for you to show that you’re not just talking out of your ass. What is he lied about?
I'll even make this easy for you. I don't watch Tucker Carlson. I've probably seen less than 10 total minutes of Tucker Carlson clips in the past year. Odds are you can pull something in that's completely taken out of context, and I'd have to take your word that he said it. You'd just need to provide me something he actually said that you know he's lying about.
He lied about the voting machines for certain. Admitted to it. There are more court cases in the pipe so I'm sure more lies will come out.
Oh, you're sure. While that proves it folks.
So... you're saying that was the only lie he told on his show about the grand conspiracy to steal the election, and everything else he said was the truth? Dude, he's telling people what they want to hear, not the truth. People want to believe the election was stolen, so he tells them it was stolen. The result is ratings and money. That's what he cares about.
What was tuckers quote on the elections? Start with that.
No, I'm saying this is the only provable lie. Anything else is pure conjecture on your part.
Hmmm. So, if the election had gone the other way I’d say it’s safe to assume that dems would (accurately) be pointing out how easily corruptible the new, never before tried voting rules were.
I think it’s also safe to assume that that would be considered an opinion, not a lie.
I swear, the more I hear you idiots insist on using the word “lie”, the more I think that there was a steal.
He made no statements on it. His guests did.
sarcasmic doesn’t fuck goats.
sarcasmic isn’t a dysfunctional sociopath.
sarcasmic isn’t a psychologically abusive parent.
Go ahead, assert these are lies you don’t believe *and* that only idiotic religious zealots detached from reality would believe your refutations.
Did Tucker only discuss one topic his entire career retard?
If being wrong on a single topic is your metric for cancelation you should never post again.
So….
Stop having babies
Import a new population to pay the bills
Create situation where a brown skinned working class pays bills of white skinned retiree class
Virtue signal by chopping off the nuts of the brown skinned kids from said working class.
What could possibly go wrong?
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1651911587043889152?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
German police reportedly took away this child from his Muslim family after his school reported that the family was teaching the child that transgenderism and LGBT stuff isn’t accepted in Islam.
The thread has other examples of this happening in Sweden and Netherlands.
Time for another Chicxulub-level meteor.
Chicxclub? Is that an out-of-print porn mag?
Yup. Mostly featured Mayans.
the Eu nations have been anti religious for some time now. teaching right and wrong are bad concepts
Religions have quite a spotty record on providing guidance in matters of right vs. wrong.
Oregon denied a Christian woman to be a foster parent because she didn't agree to go against her Christian beliefs. But allow other belief systems to be considered when pairing foster families to kids.
Does the Nation of Islam accept middle aged white men? At this point I’m siding with anyone who says no to middle and upper class white women.
As the Prophet said, peace be upon him, those who submit to Allah's will are accepted, insh'Allah.
But NoI is like some weird mashup of Islam and Scientology, so who knows.
You can do that all by yourself without pin-striped gangster suits and bow-ties…or Allah. It's called a sex doll.
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https://twitter.com/jimvandehei/status/1651883849834536960?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Some White House officials say it's difficult to schedule public or private events with the president in the morning, in the evening, or on weekends: The vast majority of Biden’s public events happen on weekdays, between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.
I like that schedule. Where can I get a job like that?
[Wistfully remembers when we were counting and comparing the hours any given President spent on the golf course.]
Most dementia meds have a peak onset of a couple hours and maybe a six hour half life.
Sundowner Syndrome.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/22840-sundown-syndrome
Wasn't it Trump who asserted people could not block him? Now it's the other way around. So hard to keep up with narrative.
Regardless, block who you want. This is not a free speech issue, it's a platform issue. No one is entitled to someone else's ears. Speak all you want but no one else is required to listen.
If you think this is intolerable, imagine if WOKE types got into power and forced YOU and your CHILDREN to listen to every woke utterance. Do not hand over power to Team Red politicians that you do not want Team Blue politicians to wield against you. Have you guys been asleep this whole time?
If you think this is intolerable, imagine if WOKE types got into power and forced YOU and your CHILDREN to listen to every woke utterance.
Forced? Shit, between the schools, the mainstream media, corporate advertising, and the entertainment industry, we're already there.
As long as they can hurt people they hate they don't care if it comes back and bites them in the ass.
Did you and Brandybuck actually forget the 2019 court ruling that Trump’s Twitter account was a “public forum”? Or are you being retarded on purpose?
"As long as they can hurt people they hate they don’t care if it comes back and bites them in the ass."
But enough about democrats.
Republicans have adopted the same tactics.
Mainly defensively. After having them used against them for decades. And losing ground every year as a result.
Someone criticized democrats, quick, deflect!
Trump was literally sued for blocking people retard.
Stuff you TDS up your ass, lying pile of shit. It's so hard for you to keep up with anything; you're a fucking ignoramus.
It's not keeping up, it's not remembering huge stories from just five years ago.
You forget that the flagship libertarian magazine said that government nationalizing a 1' x 1' square of twitter was "Reasonable" because Trump.
And in case someone tries to say, "cite?" here's the cite:
Sullum on the supreme court telling Donald Trump what buttons he's allowed to push on his twitter account screen:
And remember, that was Trump's personal account.
Well, it was the TDS-addled Sullum.
Acknowledging that Sullum wrote that, and I don’t agree with him, by the way.
It’s always interesting that Sullum or another writer will say something, and then that statement is attributed to “Reason”. It’s fair, but it’s also a misunderstanding of how Reason works. Reason allows their writers wide latitude of thought. It isn’t an advocacy rag that tightly controls its writers and engages in diatribes and condemnations.
So it’s important to remember the chain of logic here.
Hey, Donald Trump tweeted a lot from his personal account, so much, and with so much public engagement, that account was practically, like… official and shit man. So he shouldn’t be allowed to block people and stuff.
The social media companies banned the President’s account(s) which had so much public engagement that it was practically like, official and shit man…
Private corporations can do whatever they want!
They were clever enough not to ban him until he lost and was no longer an elected official.
Wasn't he still president when they banned him?
Yes, lame duck but still president.
But banning him also removed the record of the tweets, so a government recordkeeping violation.
This is not a free speech issue, it’s a platform issue.
Uh… yeah. Right on.
No one is entitled to someone else’s ears. Speak all you want but no one else is required to listen.
imagine if WOKE types got into power and forced YOU and your CHILDREN to listen to every woke utterance. Do not hand over power to Team Red politicians that you do not want Team Blue politicians to wield against you.
You’re not thinking grandiose or apocalyptically enough: imagine Social Media being the forum by which legislation is debated and enacted. Last week, Dylan Mulvaney commands 12.5M Twitter/TikTok followers, all blatantly retarded of any idea of basic biology, freedom of religion, and the separation of religion and state-funded education; and Trannies become a protected class by law. This week, 13.5M Inbev consumers trash Bud Light for obliquely supporting Mulvaney and the purchase of alcoholic beverages supporting trans women is prohibited.
Trump tweets "I'm meeting with the joint chiefs..." and, before he tweets the completion of his sentence, "to deprioritize transgender support in the military.", he and any other President has been barred from taking any action that may precipitate WWIII, including preventing Putin from taking the Donbas.
My immediate take is the owners of each social media platform should decide what their rules are about public figures blocking people. But I’m open to arguments why that isn’t the best solution.
You missed the interesting bit about the attempts to outlaw sex change surgery in Missouri. It is a part of a theme.
Banning such surgeries for prepubescent kids is a political winner. Very few people are actually in favor of permanently altering a 12 year old boy like this, regardless of how advantageous 37 year old men who are transitioning think this would have been.
But they can't leave it at that. They go all the way to banning it for everyone.
We see this same phenomenon in Florida. They banned gender identity identity education for kids until after 3rd grade. Despite the howling, nobody really disagrees with this. So it was a big political winner. We even had idiot writers here trying to cast it as some dystopian authoritarian nightmare, which only strengthened his hand.
But they couldn't stand pat. The legislature comes back to ban it at all levels.
It seems politicians can't take the win and move on. If they get positive feedback, they have to have more.
The overreach and agent provocateur action from the left over the last several years has made this easy pickings on the right. But they are not alone. Abortion is a winner in progressive circles. So they pass laws protecting abortion. But they can't stop there. So we get abortion on demand until birth. Very few people are going to support killing a healthy 8 month fetus. And that ends up with the Virginia governor crashing and burning as he goes for abortion up to birth and even later.
This is revealing.
Niche political groups like libertarians and greens tend to operate from strong ideology and first principles. So we can demand that a bunch of black separatist guys not be prosecuted for speaking out against our government and its actions. No problem.
A real libertarian can watch the government pushing the toxic and racist "anti-racism" ideology in schools and to businesses and denounce it without hesitation.... and then equally note when government takes action that denies adult citizens the right to self determination in their choices like getting gender reassignment surgery.
The political animal does not operate from first principles. It seeks advantage. The issues are subservient to team versus team.
We have entered cartoon land, where both teams are staking out positions no rational person would take on issues that are of minimal relevance to most of society.
Drag queen story hour was entirely designed to incite a negative reaction so that the reaction could be portrayed as bigotry. It is the dumbest, most manufactured issue ever. Nobody thinks there is a good reason or a need for 37 year old men in campy and suggestive dresses to read to little children in public events. Yet because of the political class and the complete ownership of all of media, we are focusing on this as an issue (when rational people would have dismissed it out of hand when the first publicist brought it to the newsroom)
Libertarians should be uniquely positioned to see and combat this. We are spending limited national attention on fake issues designed explicitly to decide and stoke racism, instead of noticing that we are spending far more on the war in Ukraine than Russia is.
The speed at which politicians zoom past the mark and into overreach is stunning. But the big picture is more important... by focusing on these non-issue issues we allow them to continue driving the bus off a cliff with us in it.
Bread and circuses.
sarcasmic
August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm
I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is my circus.
Well said.
Even so i'll take the overreach on 'protect my kids from pervs and freaks' over the overreach from the fucking communists on the other side.
I am fine with adults seeking out gender affirming care. I am not fine with them using socialized medicine to pay for cosmetic results, however. The problem is the left is starting to require Medicaid and group coverage to cover these VERY EXPENSIVE costs for cosmetic reasons.
This. Is it a medical condition for which a doctor's input is required, or is it cosmetic surgery which has serious insurance limits?
A great example of activists just cant be happy with their wins and always need to push it to the next level is the whole tranny discourse.
It went from "please dont beat me up" to "you should go to jail for using a pronoun i dont like"
Actual tranny calling for actual arrests:
https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1651734257801240578
Dylan Mulvaney thinks any journalist that misgenders him and uses the wrong pronouns should be arrested: “I feel like that should be illegal.”
But remember folks, conservatives are the actual fascists who want to control language and ideas.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
The APA and the AMA could put a stop to all this nonsense in a heartbeat by putting out the factual statement that gender dysphoria is a rare and serious diagnosis and that it is without question malpractice on the part of doctors who participate in the diagnosis and treatment by transitioning of candidates who find that it did not solve their cognitive issues. The Hippocratic oath certainly affirms such a position. The removal of perfectly healthy tissues and organs is certainly "harm" when it does nothing to mediate an underlying more serious condition. They certainly have reached a similar conclusion as to lobotomies.
At the very least they could issue the completely truthful and common sense statement that school counselors, teachers and administrators are woefully unqualified to diagnose such serious disorders. Establishing that the diagnosis of rare disorders does not even remotely qualify as a responsibility of a public school employee should deny them any grant of qualified immunity if they make such a suggestion to a child.
They won't, but they could.
Those are fully captured institutions now. Short of a mass of suicides among queers and trannies in about 7-10 years, or a proper state-state conflict that cleanses away a good chunk of the American population, there won't be any change to that effect.
I don't disagree with the penultimate paragraph but, IMO, much of this is ceding stolen bases on foul balls and buying into distractions.
We're talking about mutilating children and denying several centuries of biology. I agree that push back can go too far but I don't see anything indicating anyone is trying to chase the other team out of their dugout with bats as much as insist that when the ball is called foul, runners return to the original base reached under the previous play or pitch, per the rules.
To wit, ENB frequently, either obliviously or intentionally, contradicts herself on the abortion/women's rights issue, the transgender therapy issue, or both together. Whether she's hysteric or goading doesn't matter, the point is that when someone says, "What the fuck?" to her tirade, both sides get told to calm down, because as long as any intermediaries aren't telling *her* to calm down she's getting what she wants and, if they are, she isn't and has no reason to calm down.
The San Francisco Art Institute (SFAI) has filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy. So? Well:
"By January 2021, SFAI was exploring the sale of the Rivera mural: filmmaker George Lucas and the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art emerged as potential buyers. However, news of the possible sale was greeted with public outrage, and city officials voted unanimously to begin the process of designating the mural a national landmark."
https://www.artforum.com/news/san-francisco-art-institute-files-for-bankruptcy-90491#:~:text=The%20San%20Francisco%20Art%20Institute%20%28SFAI%29%20has%20filed,million%20in%20assets%2C%20including%20property%2C%20equipment%2C%20and%20artworks.
The city officials simply took possession of the school's single greatest asset, which has been values at $25m!
Seems the creditors need to huddle with their legal folks and tell the city to fuck off.
It's bad enough when governments try to insert themselves into the private medical decisions of families with transgender children,
There is no such thing as "transgender child".
There is no such thing as other people’s children
Parental rights are fascism.
My 1 year old daughter identifies as Muslim. Off for a female circumcision.
Why We Should Abolish the Family
Yes, that is the exact viewpoint of socialism.
An adult can choose to have their breasts enlarged, their tummy tucked, their nose shaped, their vagina tightened, or their forehead lifted without interference from the government
Lol you think that? every single thing you mentioned is micro-managed by the FDA before you can even think about it.
Not just that. Think about the critical violations of women's agency that ENB is overlooking as well. The effective anti-woman and anti-human lie she's perpetuating is mindblowing.
She's literally equating-
40 yr. old woman: I feel like my breasts are too small. Can you make them bigger?
Plastic surgeon: Sure. We have implants we can put in. I caution you not to go too big or it will make you uncomfortable and if you have other body image issues, we should consider those more completely before just popping in implants.
with-
40 yr. old man: I feel like a woman. Can you make me a woman?
Plastic surgeon: Sure. We have implants we can put in and we can cut off your penis and craft it into a crude vagina. (Unsaid: Of course, the previous 40 yrs. of your life where you weren't a woman, as well as all the critical components that would normally develop in that time, can and do irrevocably prevent you from feeling like or being an actual woman even if everyone else near-entirely supports your efforts. But as long as I get paid by you, your insurer, or the government, I don't care.)
And she is completely ignoring that the doctor has to state that the implants might rupture, that you may not be happy with the results, that most insurances won't pay for this procedure (unlike the latter, were many states are now requiring them to pay for male to female breast implants but not for females getting implants unless it's reconstructive and even then, it's severely limited), etc etc by LAW, unlike ENB implies. Furthermore, the surgeon can only use implants approved by the state. Must be licensed for surgery. Etc etc etc. I don't know if ENB is an idiot for stating these the procedures she listed aren't regulated by the state or flat out lying. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she's just being a fucking imbecile.
I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she’s just being a MONUMENTAL fucking imbecile.
To the point of embarrassing and alienating members of her own gender, race, species, and political ideology.
Michael Tracey on Tucker Carlson and the neocon consensus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn2_ROqSGqY&ab_channel=TheHill
Fox News didn't fire him it turns out. They are going to continue to pay him so they can silence him through the 2024 election.
Is he bound by contract? He can do a lot better elsewhere.
From what it sounds like. Yes. Many media companies do this so their rivals don’t pick up people they have decided to let go. O&A back in the day had 3 years to not join satellite radio paid by new york radio, forget which one.
Found this on Breitbart
"Multiple other sources told Breitbart News this detail about Carlson’s contract. “He’s still not fired, you know that right?” another Fox News source said about Carlson. “His contract is still ongoing.”
A third source close to Carlson also said it, noting that the Murdochs may end up trying to hold Carlson in his contract through the next presidential election to effectively silence him and keep him from becoming serious competition to them, whatever he ends up doing.
Former Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly also reported that detail on her show on Thursday, saying that Carlson and Fox News are negotiating his exit and that while his show is canceled and he has been kicked out of his company email address, his contract is still in effect, which keeps him from doing something else."
If this is true it appears Fox is determined to silence Carlson to protect the neocon regime in the 2024 election. And it appears that Bongino was making the Murdochs nervous as well. I still watch Gutfeld on occasion but the rest of the lineup I can live without. Without Tucker I probably won't be around much at all.
to ban gender transition treatments for adults
Reading the article:
What am I missing here, did the they ban it or did they place pre-requisites on it?
and ‘resolved’ any existing mental health issues
Basically bans it. Then again, easy to find a crappy psychologist to sign off anything.
Looks like it's getting the media's "Don't Say Gay" treatment.
They created a standard of practice, which states do every single fucking day for all medical procedures and practices. Including all the ones ENB listed that the state doesn't interfere in. She's full of shit on this. BTW, I don't think states should be setting standards of practice but it happens and is the norm. Take it from someone with 30 years holding a nursing license (I was allowed to do IVs in Idaho, Washington, Alaska and Texas but Montana says I have to take a special IV certification course to do them here).
Expecting doctors to tease out and treat, or not, more complicated issues that may extend well beyond their specialty or even the field of medicine, with no explicit Constitutional implications one way or the other, by law, is brutal oppression; but legally empowering doctors to investigate legal gun ownership under the guise of medical care and in order to circumvent the 2A is how red flag laws are supposed to work, even if it only saves one life.
As to the first part, this is why these treatments used to be conducted by a team, with specialists in the related fields.
What am I missing here
ENB’s lies by omission. Even for a woman between the age of 18 and 800, there was opposition to (e.g.) operating an open breast implant clinic where women desiring breast implants could just sign up for at time slot and check off the “select size” box. Opposition that specifically delineated that doctors at least address and/or head off the issue as to whether a woman is getting implants because she rationally understands what she’s doing rather than just suffering an identity crisis because her husband is abuses her and wants her to get bigger boobs.
Yeah, the usually do one consult at least, usually more, including a psychosocial evaluation. Most states require this by law. In wording very similar to what she quotes from the Missouri law.
That “resolve” mental health issues is such a high bar it is effectively a ban.
Cite?
So, we should allow anorexics to get lap band surgery because they think they're fat?
BTW anorexia and gender dysphoria are both considered body dysmorphia conditions.
Lap-band surgery can be reversed. The better analogy would be gastric sleeve surgery where they actually remove most of the stomach.
Tony Blair: “Surveillance Will Set Us Free”
https://twitter.com/upperlipnews/status/1651949470924275712?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
No better than “work will set you free”.
Überwachung befreit Sie
Arby's Macht BOGO.
Ah, but it used to Macht 5 Roast Beef Sammiches for $5, as Mister Ray Charles put it.
https://i.redd.it/2l78a73v3te21.jpg
Now it's 4 for $12. Thanks, Brandon and Yellen.
"A bill that has passed in Indiana would 'will strip away protections for material that is disseminated for educational purposes and opens schools, teachers, and librarians up to penalties if a parent disagrees with material available in a school library,' warns the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana."
Of course Reason doesn't post a link to the actual bill because they are inherently dishonest people:
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2023/bills/house/1447#document-bdee8a04
Yes, the only possible explanation is dishonesty. We will remember that standard any time anyone here talks about a topic without linking to primary sources.
Did you read section 5?
Missouri says that the government knows what’s best for transgender adults, too. …One only needs to look at the legality of plastic surgery to see how discriminatory this regulation is.
… and ENB punts on the critical critical libertarian question “Is it OK for a medical establishment to lie to patients about treatment and proceed even with the patients’ consent to the lie?” in order to gain more favorable field position. This “How can I make my brand of libertarianism look more trendy?” hasn’t really done her rag tag team of feminist libertarians any favors so far, but we’ll see how this pans out.
“How can I make my brand of libertarianism look more trendy?”
This should replace "Free minds and free markets" on the Reason masthead.
I will be posting this link in every article which touches on Trans in Reason.
Sweden's U-Turn on Trans Kids: The Trans Train (Part 1): The New Patient Group & Regretters
A documentary that aired in Swedish Television in 2019, which caused a legislative U-turn alluded to in the title.
This was a medical regime of castration, sterilization and life altering chemical treatments of minors that was utterly without evidence that was going full steam ahead, with the Swedish parliament attempting to pass a law allowing genital surgery (bottom surgery) for minors as young as 12 and as young as 15 sans parental consent. That got stopped cold after this documentary aired.
I watched the first part last night. I also highly recommend it.
So, every thread, because Red and Blue Team warriors are obsessed with the subject.
“Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-Fla.) received the “Atlantic Fleeced Award” for $4,000,000 for the Bahamian Museum of Arts and Culture in Nassau, Bahamas.”
I didn’t know the Bahamas was a state.
BTW, I’ve been to that museum, and it’s pretty nice. Probably due to infusions of U.S. dollars.
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families with transgender children
There is objectively no such thing as "transgender children".
to more closely align their appearance with their gender identity
There is objectively no such thing as "gender identity".
Missouri tries to restrict gender transition treatments for adults and minors; judge says no—for now.
"The Libertarian Case For Ice Pick Lobotomies" by Elizabeth Nolan Brown
I believe they already carried that article, but ENB wasn't part of it. It was some other Zoomer libertarian with Social Media Face.
It wouldn't be Reason if they didn't pick one side of a highly-ethically dubious (in several dimensions) phenomenon and present it, in isolation, as a libertarian moral imperative... repeatedly... even exclusively... from multiple authors.
Dylan Mulvaney calls for the arrest of people who call him a man. Do you still think I’ve been too mean to this guy?
I was JUST posting about this above.
It's never enough for them. They always push it to the next level. It went from "please dont beat me up or put me in jail" to "you must go to jail for not affirming my inner thoughts". wtf.
“please dont beat me up or put me in jail”
To which, somewhat by design, pretty much everyone who wasn’t Bill Burr’s proverbial fictional abusive spouse ‘slamming their partner’s head in the silverware drawer’ already said, “Yeah, you may be missing a few marbles, but that doesn’t justify a beating.”
1995 - "Love is love, we're just looking for tolerance"
2005 - "We just want equality"
2012 - "Bake the cake, bigot!"
2015 - "Say my pronouns or lose your job!"
2021 - "Your kids will watch drag queens strip, and you'll like it!"
2023 - "Say my pronouns or go to jail!"
You forgot 2022 - "Shut up and shower with us."
2020 - "Those girls should try harder."
2022b- "your kids teacher will choose their gender!"
1996 - "'Love is love' doesn't even make sense. This is insanity. A descent into madness." - GOP/Normies
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Geez, are elected officials allowed to block this type of crap? ^
Even worse. He inserts a notably libertarian principle, "No one is entitled to someone else’s ears..." into the middle of his otherwise fallacious rant, "This is not a free speech issue...", and proceeds to rub his TDS all over it. Just another pants-shitter, warding off real discussion with their noxious acts of deliberate self-embarrassment.
Not to get too technical in defense of Brandy but, if we make such distinctions, it really is a free association issue. No one is blocked from posting on Twitter the issue is whether people can be compelled to listen to Twitter.
To wit, neither clearly or necessarily elucidates to a given decision. The Constitution does compel the government to listen to their constituents. It just clearly does not compel them to listen on Twitter any more than it obligates them to read Tom Payne's fliers. There are several forums where they can be compelled (at least nominally) to read Tom Payne's flyers, even obligated to provide the forum, but Twitter is not, and shouldn't be, one of them.
I am not sure I understand your rebuttal.
Brandy is utilizing the typical lefty 3D strategy - Dissemble, Deflect, Distract. Trump complained when he couldn't block dissenters in his feed (a free speech issue) and when he was removed from the platform entirely (a free speech issue). I actually agree with your points about freedom of association, but when did Trump ever assert that it was improper for anyone to block Trump or otherwise attempt to force his speech on anyone?
Depends on how you read his post. I read the initial question as rhetorical and the "Regardless..." part to be his point. Maybe undue good faith on my part.
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