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Censorship

The Media and Politicians Keep Trying To Censor Things That Turn Out To Be True

The COVID-19 lab leak theory was labeled "misinformation." Now it's the most plausible explanation.

John Stossel | 4.12.2023 12:30 AM

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Over the past three years, we reporters learned there were certain things that we weren't allowed to say. Not long ago, in fact, my new video may have been censored.

One dangerous idea, we were told, was that COVID-19 might have been created in a lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. That seems very possible, since the institute studied coronaviruses in bats, and America's National Institutes of Health gave the lab money to perform "gain-of-function" research, experiments where scientists try to make a virus more virulent or transmissible.

A Washington Post writer worried the lab leak theory "could increase racist attacks against Chinese people and further fuel anti-Asian hate."

The establishment media fell in line, insisting that COVID most likely came from a local market that sold animals.

Left-wing TV mocked the lab theory as a "fringe idea" that came from "a certain corner of the right."

"This coronavirus was not manmade," said MSNBC's Chris Hayes, confidently, "That is not a possibility."

Not even a possibility?

Debate about it, we were told, posed a new threat: misinformation.

Facebook banned the lab leak theory, calling it a "false claim."

But now the U.S. Department of Energy says the pandemic most likely came from a lab leak. FBI director Christopher Wray now says the origin of the pandemic is "most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan."

For two years, the most likely explanation was censored.

Do the media gatekeepers apologize for their censorship? No.

The closest to an admission of guilt I found was from Chris Hayes, who eventually said, "There's a kernel of truth to the idea that some folks were too quick to shut down the lab leak theory."

There was more than "a kernel of truth." Again and again, politically correct media silenced people who spoke the truth.

Facebook throttled the reach of science journalist John Tierney's articles simply because he reported, accurately, that requiring masks can hurt kids.

YouTube suspended Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) for saying, "Most of the masks you get over the counter don't work."

But what they said is true. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated its guidance to say cloth masks are not very effective. And now a big study failed to find evidence that wearing even good masks stops the spread of viruses.

Probably the most blatant censorship was Twitter's shutting down the New York Post's reporting about Hunter Biden's laptop.

Twitter wouldn't let users decide for themselves. The company just called the Post's report "potentially harmful" and blocked users from sharing it.

Facebook, as usual, was sneakier, suppressing the story instead of banning it outright. That's what they do to my climate change reporting.

Today, the media admit the Post story is true. But they don't admit they were wrong. Now they just say things like, "Nobody cares about Hunter Biden's laptop."

Bad as the media are, what's worse is that government wanted to censor.

Sen. Mark Warner (D–Va.) complained, "We've done nothing in terms of content regulation!"

Fortunately, his colleagues were not as irresponsible as he; no censorship legislation passed. But government did apply lots of pressure.

The White House asked Facebook to kill what they called "disinformation," even urging them to censor private WhatsApp messages.

Now that Elon Musk owns Twitter and opened up the company's internal files, we know that censorship requests came from "every corner" of government, as journalist Matt Taibbi put it.

Even individual politicians tried to censor.

Sen. Angus King's (I–Maine) staff complained about Twitter accounts that they considered "anti-King." Rep. Adam Schiff's (D–Calif.) office asked Twitter to suppress search results.

Fortunately, Twitter refused.

But the sad truth is that lots of government agencies and media tyrants want to limit what you read and hear.

At least now, we can speak the truth:

COVID probably was created in a Chinese lab.

Masks are unlikely to provide much protection and requiring them can harm kids.

Hunter Biden did lots of sleazy things.

Self-appointed censors tried to shut us up, but eventually, the truth almost always comes out.

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  1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

    And now a big study failed to find evidence that wearing even good masks stops the spread of viruses.

    Tony and sqrlsy hardest hit.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Yes, but the faces of white liberals have been mostly covered for the last three years, so as the British say: It's all swings and roundabouts.

      1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

        A lab leak was always the ONLY plausible explanation.

        Our benevolent propaganda government censored that and lied to us for three years so the guilty, themselves, could avoid the sudden end of their careers and lucrative compensation.

        They do it all the time. Criminalize lying.

        1. Wizard4169   2 years ago

          Considering your track record, I don't think that's any place you want to go.

          1. Rob Misek   2 years ago

            My “track record” is that nobody has ever refuted anything I’ve said. That means that you can’t claim that I’ve lied, without lying yourself.

            If you deny this statement, prove it or join your ilk of liars.

            Was that put simply enough for you?

    2. Michael P   2 years ago

      The Cochrane review's conclusion is even stronger than Stossel said: masks don't clearly help at all.

      Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza‐like illness (ILI)/COVID‐19 like illness compared to not wearing masks (risk ratio (RR) 0.95, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.84 to 1.09; 9 trials, 276,917 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence. Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks (RR 1.01, 95% CI 0.72 to 1.42; 6 trials, 13,919 participants; moderate‐certainty evidence).

      Further conclusions: N95-type respirators might be better than plain medical masks, or maybe not, but they are certainly painful to use and difficult to fit properly. Washing your hands probably helps a little, though!

      1. Cyto   2 years ago

        The most worrying part of this is that it isn't new to the post covid world.

        Somewhere between 10 and 20 years ago the guys at Science Based Medicine did a feature about masking and cited reports from Asia (where public masking was common in large cities) that showed the same results - it doesn't work.

        The part about it that is worrying is that the exact same person who told me about these studies - Dr. Steven Novella - regularly hectored us to "follow the science" and wear masks during covid. His Skeptics Guide to the Universe became rather political in this period, despite a stated policy of avoiding politics, and featured critiques of anyone who would dare even question the claims of "health officials".

        This was particularly shocking coming from the biggest critics of the medical establishment who have spent decades criticizing the lack of reliance on science by medical institutions and the government.

        Again, the exact same person who told me about studies done on wearing surgical masks to stop spread of upper respiratory viruses in the 90s and aughts pretended that this never happened and that questioning mask wearing was anti-science.

        Herd mentality is dangerous.

        1. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 years ago

          Most of the studies in the Cochrane review were performed prior to 2019 and reported by both WHO and CDC with the same conclusion as Cochrane.

          See pg 36 or so of this document: https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329438/9789241516839-eng.pdf

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          There was a study during the Spanish Flu that showed no benefit. It isn't decades, but a century of data.

        3. Liberty Yeti   2 years ago

          Not her mentality, just a phony centrally planned economy.

          The companies that MANUFACTURE masks,
          that DISTRIBUTE masks,
          and that PROPAGANDIZE that "masks work" ...

          ... are all owned by the same group of people at the top. One mandate made them billions.

          Can't have plastic straws, we have to drink mush, but apparently a billion masks a day in landfills and the ocean - one year of which dwarfs the waste of decades of plastic straws - is perfectly fine.

          The left used to understand corruption and cronyism, but they're not nearly as smart as they claim if someone (or something, such as the managerial state's corporate media propaganda geyser) can induce them to be frightful and panicked.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      But what about evidence that masks increased virtue signaling points and kept progressives from mistakenly talking to conservatives?

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    5. Pear Satirical   2 years ago

      Wait, Tony of Reason or Tony "Mask Fetish" Fauci?

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        I think they're the same.

    6. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 years ago

      The data shows masks worked. So Florida could have had a Covid death rate similar to North Carolina had DeSantis not attacked public health officials. Bottom line: DeSantis killed more Americans than Osama Bin Laden, all praise to Allah!!

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        So why has the Israeli study not supported your assertion? All the credible studies so far show that the masks don't work. Care to take them on?

    7. MD from Idaho   2 years ago

      The notion that a prophylactic barrier is equivalent to none at all defies reason and contradicts the germ theory of disease.

      You might wanna think that out some more.

      1. THX1138   2 years ago

        "The notion that a prophylactic barrier is equivalent to none at all defies reason and contradicts the germ theory of disease."

        This assumes facts not in evidence. Masks are evidently (as in, shown by evidence) not a prophylactic barrier.

      2. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Are you an actual MD?

      3. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 years ago

        Assuming the truth of the thing you are trying to prove.

      4. Page Turner   2 years ago

        MD from Idaho - do you use chain link fences to keep out mosquitoes where you live? Look in your microscope - viruses are far smaller than the openings in mask weaves - cloth or paper. And then there are always those pesky openings around the mask edges that let in the air you breathe to stay alive...

        1. Smith1   2 years ago

          Excellent analogy -- mind if I use it?

        2. Liberty Yeti   2 years ago

          It's even worse. 90% of people, even the paranoids, won't be buggered to use the masks properly. They'll wad them up and put them in their pocket and reuse them for days, if not weeks. So they become germ-riddled disease rags. Even if they ARE doing it "right" it's not like most people are keeping a box of sterile masks on them everywhere they go. And the places that gave them out just had them out in the open in a big pile, one more example of how the whole mask fiasco was performative panic theater perpetuated for consolidation of political power.

          Also, it turns out virus particles kind of like to cling to sweaty, wet masks so you need to change them something like every 20-30 minutes.

          The correct answer was quality ventilation, higher humidity, and getting outside in the sun. Don't stay indoors in a stuffy space and get as much quality natural air and sunshine as you can. And humid air stops virus particles. It's why the south's first wave didn't start until summer - when everyone started cranking up the AC.

    8. GKAM   2 years ago

      This is silly BS. Many in both parties had different opinions. Stop trying to find something about which to whine.`
      Whining and lying seem to be the only actions of the Fascist Party of TrumPutin.

  2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    "The White House asked Facebook to kill what they called "disinformation," even urging them to censor private WhatsApp messages.
    Now that Elon Musk owns Twitter and opened up the company's internal files, we know that censorship requests came from "every corner" of government"

    Sqrlsy told me that this was okay. That the government was just exercising it's free speech rights, and that nobody was "forced" to comply.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Sarc told us "quarantine" camps in Australia were just fine even if you test negative because they weren't German concentration camps.

  3. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

    FBI director Christopher Wray now says the origin of the pandemic is "most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan."

    "We went through the worst attack we've ever had on our country, this is worst attack we've ever had. This is worse than Pearl Harbor, this is worse than the World Trade Center. There's never been an attack like this."

    Can you spot any difference at all between what Christopher Wray said and what Trump said about Covid being a Chinese bioweapon "attack" on the United States? Sadly, Stossel cannot.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      Did I miss the part where Stossel brought that up and equated the two?

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        I did not say Stossel had equated the two; indeed, that would have been impossible, since he seems to have gone out of his way to pretend that Trump's comments (and those in a similar vein) never happened.

        Why did he do that?

        Precisely so he would not have to address the Trump-esque line of comments about Covid--and thus concede that yes, some of what was being promoted by the Alt-right wackjobs like Trump had no provable basis in fact at the time--or were completely false. No one has a "First Amendment" right to have someone else publish their false and unproven allegations.

        But he's not evil; he's just a lazy lightweight journalist.

        1. Henry   2 years ago

          While what was being promoted by our swamp wackjobs also had no provable basis in fact at the time... and as we know now, not at any time, since it has all been proven false. And the "alt-right wackjobs" were right after all. So just suck on that.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      We can guess that TDS-addled shits like you can.

      1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 years ago (edited)

        Just when you got over Hillary Derangement Syndrome you got a bad case of Biden Derangement Syndrome!?! So sadz…maybe you can watch your videotape of Shock and Awe and masturbate to the slaughter of innocent Muslims??

        1. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Sad.

        2. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

          Jesus. This is some top-shelf lazy trolling.

    3. MD from Idaho   2 years ago

      I wanna know how "has not been conclusively disproven" equates with "most plausible explanation".

      Stossel, you suck at thinking.

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

        That’s easy. Those who did their research determined that the lab leak is not just not disproven, but is also the most plausible explanation to why COVID happened.

        Not that Stossel ever equated the two, mind you. You are being disingenuous.

      2. Bruce Hayden   2 years ago

        There actually is significant evidence debunking the Wet Market theory. The negative evidence includes that there has never been found an ancestor of the SARS-2 virus in any animal (bats, raccoon dogs, etc) with the unique furin cleavage site that bonds so well with human ACE2 receptors. Fairly close ancestors in bats 1,000 miles away from Wuhan, but without the furin cleavage site. Actually no ancestor SARS-2 viruses with that unique genetic sequence have ever been found - but there have been suggestions that it had been found earlier in HIV. Nothing recent though, which suggests that was a false lead. Also, no genetic evidence of jumping species to humans. Every time a virus jumps to a new species, it has to mutate to adapt to it. Worse, SARS-2 is uniquely adapted to humans, with that furin cleavage site in the spike proteins that bond so tightly to human ACE2 receptors. And no genetic evidence of how it could have evolved. On the flip side, the positive evidence is the residue from what appears to be CRISPR gene editing.

        1. Henry   2 years ago

          And we knew about the furin cleavage site and the CRISPR fingerprints very early on, but the swampies ordered everybody not to look behind that curtain. Also the fact (kept hidden from us at that time) that Chinese "wet market" actually means *seafood,* and bats are not sold there (actually verified for the particular one in Wuhan) because they are not, y'know, fish.

  4. TJJ2000   2 years ago

    Welcome to the US Nazi-Gestapo police....
    Stage #20 of the Nazification of the USA complete.

    And that's what happens when people ignore what the USA is (defined by the US Constitution) and constantly try to ?better? it with Gov-Gun dictation and theft. Guns don't make sh*t. Their only 'asset' to humanity is to ensure every Individual Liberty and Justice for all.

    A repeating curse of history. Dismissing and diluting what 'government' really is so [WE] mobs can build a utopian nation of Gov-Gun dictation and theft to serve their own greed and selfish interests. And every-time; it ends up being the biggest curse the world has ever seen.

  5. mad.casual   2 years ago

    Just for the record:

    Even if COVID-19 wasn't invented in a lab, going forward the next pandemic that wipes out a million or more humans will be more likely to have been generated in a lab than this one.

    Or, translated into Redundant Retard for those permanently disabled by COVID:
    Your not living in a slaughterhouse/wet market protects me, my not conducting and industrializing experimental viral research protects you.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Fauci is even talking about the next pandemic which could happen next year, and every election year in the future.

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      2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        You don't think there will be a "next pandemic"?

        If you believe Covid19 was "man-made", why would you think those men would never attempt to do it again?

        If you believe Covid19 was naturally occurring, why would you think natural conditions would never produce another such virus?

        Some people had argued that the world needed to prepare for the "next pandemic" years before Covid19, but they were shut down. Trump, in fact, under the guise of "streamlining" the NSC, downgraded its biodefense division and demoted its head from "assistant to the President" to "deputy assistant to the President". Of course, the Trump Administration was well known for its budget cutting and waste reduction...

  6. Jefferson's Ghost   2 years ago (edited)

    “One dangerous idea, we were told, was that COVID-19 might have been created in a lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.”

    Anybody who read “The Hot Zone” knew that a lab leak was more than a remote possibility.

    Two and one-half million copies sold.

  7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    The best thing we can say for progressives, including in the media, is that most of them think like ignorant, frightened nannies AND ignorant, frightened children. They latch onto nonsensical ideas, often provided by third parties with their own motivations, and then hysterically reinforce the insanity. Anything that contradicts the nanny narrative is not just rejected, but is attacked as threatening their very existence.

  8. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 years ago

    Mask Mandates in Hospitals May Have Done Little to Slow COVID-19 Omicron Transmission

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/mask-mandates-in-hospitals-may-have-done-little-to-slow-covid-19-omicron-transmission

    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 years ago

      The key word is “Omicron”. The reams of data we have shows masks mitigated spread prior to Omicron…masking wasn’t a silver bullet but nothing was.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        No it did not. There was never a correlation between mask usage and infection rates. No matter the variant. 100 years of study show this.

      2. DesigNate   2 years ago

        2/10

        Troll needs a lot more work if you’re going to really rile people up.

      3. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 years ago

        LOL...no difference in transmission mechanics between Omicron and any other variant.

      4. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

        Wanna provide a link to the "reams of data."

  9. Ajsloss   2 years ago

    So "raccoon dogs" was a hoax?

    1. perlmonger   2 years ago

      Disinformation, one might say.

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      2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        But not Bat Boy. Hillary Clinton really is his mom.

        If that came out today the USA Today would put a fact checker on it.

    2. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

      No, lobster boy ate the last one in Canada just to be on the safe side

    3. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

      I laughed so hard when that story came out about racoon dogs.

    4. Henry   2 years ago

      We're talking here about the raccoon dogs that actually blew up the Nordstream pipeline... aren't we?

  10. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    I think John needs to research the difference between censorship and propaganda.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Government did both.

    2. Teacherman   2 years ago

      Isn't propaganda just censorship of a different sort?

    3. Henry   2 years ago

      Censorship is just removing propaganda's competition. Supply side, demand side.

  11. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 years ago

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/americas-censorship-regime-goes-on-trial-missouri-biden

  12. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>For two years, the most likely explanation was censored.

    aren't you media? media louder.

    1. YuckFou   2 years ago

      NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, all legacy newspapers and Hollywood involved in censoring.
      But you want John to yell louder?

  13. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    "At least now, we can speak the truth."
    I think you're kidding yourself, John. It may be strictly true that we can speak the truth - even during indirect government and private censorship we were able to speak the truth. It's just that nobody could hear or read our truth.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Gosh, Twitter banned the circulation of the NYPo laptop story for almost 36 whole hours!

  14. Ronbback   2 years ago

    The Truth may always come out but often to late the harm has been done and now when the truth comes out the O'rwellians claim they never said that in the first place but the other guy did

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

      We were always at war with Eastasia.

    2. YuckFou   2 years ago

      You realize that mal-educated GenZ never read Orwell's "1984".
      But they are well versed in "Sarah has two mommies".

  15. Real American   2 years ago

    It was always the most plausible explanation.

    1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      A more cogent one might find the teller hanging by his own shoelaces in a faraway jail cell, no questions answered.

      1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        And what do you suppose that was, O wise guy? Were not the lab leak theorists punished themselves?

  16. Miss Ann Thrope   2 years ago

    Wait, what? You mean it didn't come from red Chinese bat eaters?

    1. Rubbish!   2 years ago

      I, for one, am relieved that's safe to eat raw China cave-bat again.

      1. gaoxiaen   2 years ago

        I think I'm going pangolin humting this afternoon.

    2. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      Um... South Park experts conjugated a different verb...

      1. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

        City Wok all out red cooked bat
        Try zotz tamales Zapotec restaurant next door.

    3. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

      To be serious for a moment, yes it DID come from wet market bat eaters. But before that it came from a leak from the Wuhan Virology Institute where gain of function experiments could be funded by the CDC out of sight of the American People who would be too freaked out if they had known. The two steps are not mutually exclusive.

  17. Me, Myself and I   2 years ago

    "The truth almost always comes out"
    Well, we don't know what we don't know.
    It's like how "election fraud is very rare in the USA". The truth is, KNOWN election fraud is very rare in the USA. It is possible that election fraud is common but rarely caught.

    1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      Newspapers tell us fraud's as common as flies. Observe that both similar halves of the looter Kleptocracy believe altruism is good because it justifies the initiation of force and fraud alike. Both soft machines rely on gullibility and credulity. Each must perforce fear that the other's liars might git there fustest with the mostest and steal the next election--so they HAVE to censor each other. Mae West would doubtless agree: Honesty has nothing to do with it!

    2. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

      Election fraud has been completely common in the United States for many decades. Demunists pretend that anything not caught never happened.

  18. Think It Through   2 years ago

    Editor's note:

    Please change "Hunter Biden did lots of sleazy things" to "Joe Biden did lots of corrupt things," which is the relevant point from the laptop information.

    1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      Trumpanzee laptop dancer detected! Deploy sore loser butthurt salve on aisle 6.

      1. Fetterman's Hump   2 years ago

        I will happily salve my butt hurt when Brandon is impeached and the rest of the Bidens are in jail, along with a whole passel of corrupt Republicans.

        The realist in me, and the cynic, realizes that will never happen. The deep state is too powerful and too corrupt to ever surrender.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          Is the Deep State also in control of the House of Representatives these days?

          Where's Joe's (first) Articles of Impeachment? What are they waiting for?

          1. Azathoth!!   2 years ago

            Is the Deep State also in control of the House of Representatives these days?

            Yes.

      2. Truthfulness   2 years ago

        @Libertariantranslator
        https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

        You did not disprove the "Trumpanzee laptop dancer". The Hunter Biden story is credible. Care to show otherwise?

      3. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Sad Hankie, just sad.

      4. Think It Through   2 years ago

        If you're implying I am a Trump supporter (not sure what "Trumpanzee" means) you are incorrect.

        Anti-Trump
        Anti-Biden who is the worst President in US history
        Anti-Hunter
        Now add Anti-Libertariantranslator to the list

  19. cjcoats   2 years ago

    And the fact that Wuhan Institute of Virology was funded in large part by the US NIH and NIAID means that the later had a huge motive to lie about it, in an effort to escape blame...

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      "...in an effort to escape blame…"

      Which Fauci did until entering a cushy retirement at your and my expense.

    2. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      Um... is blame anything like justice?

  20. Sevo   2 years ago

    "...Hunter Biden did lots of sleazy things..."

    And likely illegal things besides.

  21. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

    Beaten, ruined and humiliated by Britain's dope monopoly, China was attacked from within by actual Jesus Freak Christian fanatics brainwashed by tracts foisted by 1850s peripatetic panderers. Pre-nationalsocialist, pre-Trumpanzee True Believers strutted like turkeys as 25 million died in China's clash. MAGA whackos are as popular with Chinese as Jew-baiting christianofascists are with European Jews. Ironically, Qing prohibitionism, like today's televangelist prohibitionism maximized the harm done. At the Don would say: "A vote for Trump's Gee-Oh-Pee is a vote for a germ warfare attack."

    1. Truthfulness   2 years ago (edited)

      1) China actually persecuted those “Jesus Freak Christian fanatics” and had many of them killed. They passed out laws that specifically targeted Christians, which led to even bigger conflicts, where even more Christians were killed. The Qing government started the whole problem which led to wars (of which religion was far from the sole cause, mind you). This is sheer nonsensical pseudohistoric revisionism you’re propagating. Knock it off and lose that mentality.
      2) Current Jew-baiting people are much more likely to come from the left with their Anti-Zionist rhetoric, not “christianofascists” (which are likely near non-existent in number, mind you).
      3) The “MAGA whackos” won’t bow down to the CCP like many Democrats and their media/corporate allies do. If voting Trump weakens the current Chinese government in any way, then that’s a good thing.

      Do you truly believe the nonsense you spout out? Repent of your evil ways.

      1. Teacherman   2 years ago

        So, you don't think Libertariantranslator was speaking satire? I mean, that's what I thought it was, because nobody could truly be a libertarian and get it ALL wrong......could one??

        1. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Hank is a senile old fuck that is quickly going the way of Mike Hihn.

        2. Henry   2 years ago

          I thought he claimed to translate FROM Libertarian, not to it.

  22. Public Entelectual   2 years ago

    Stossel's scientific street cred has succumbed to long covid.
    Unless he recommences reading science across the board, E.G. the DNA evidence poring forth under peer review in Nature and elsewhere he may end up as Tucker Carlson's science advisor.

    1. Truthfulness   2 years ago

      By all means, that would make Stossel more credible than Fauci. The evidence points against the latter.

  23. Fetterman's Hump   2 years ago (edited)

    The depressing thing to me is that half the country still buys into the left-wing BS, or they are willing to flush the country down the drain because they hate the right despite knowing it is BS.

    I long ago completely wrote off all of the left wing media. The big newspapers, the lefty news channels, all of it.

    I admit that if you are attached to your tribe it is difficult to walk away, but at some point as simple self defense you have to admit that these lefty loons are dangerous to all of us.

    They are still yammering about “insurrection” and Russian collusion. It is disgusting.

    Lt. Byrd murdered Ashli Babbitt and he should be charged.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Blue Lives Don't Matter?

    2. YuckFou   2 years ago

      It is a combination of indoctrination, stupidity, mal-education and adherence to the new religion of "inclusivity".
      GenZ is shit, IMHO of course.

  24. RickAbrams   2 years ago

    What was the last important thing about Covid? How it infected humans. When a tornado is headed towards your home, only a fool decides to stay out of the storm shelter to study how this tornado started. That's something for the later phase we call de-briefing.

    This insanity is the result of Polarization -- everything's importance is measured by whether it gives one something really stupid to yell at other people while ignoring the crisis and pretending people are not dying.

  25. North_Wolfe   2 years ago

    Surely the gulag graveyards are full of the skeletons of political prisoners who once made much the same impassioned speech Mr. Stossel is now: “You cannot silence me! I’ve got the truth on my side!” Well, let’s be kind to their memory and observe that whether what the left in this country wants to suppress is the truth entirely misses their point. Pol Pot killed an (estimated) 1.75 million Cambodians, Stalin 7.5 million Soviets, Hitler 11.5 million global citizens, and Mao 35 million Chinese, each imposing their ‘truth’ on a captive population. When an authoritarian says “shut up”, they’re not inviting debate, reasoned or otherwise. What they demand is obedience.

    1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      Have you read post-apocalyptic fiction.

      authoritarian regimes rely on infrastructure to function.

  26. DenverJ   2 years ago

    "Hunter Biden did lots of sleazy things." Yeah the laptop from hell showed a lot more than that. It implicated the former vice-president of the USA, then campaigning for POTUS, in furious pay-for-play and influence peddling scams around the world, including in the Ukraine and communist China.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      "“Hunter Biden did lots of sleazy things.” Yeah the laptop from hell showed a lot more than that. It implicated the former vice-president of the USA, then campaigning for POTUS, in furious pay-for-play and influence peddling scams around the world, including in the Ukraine and communist China."

      Congratulations! You must be the first Reason commenter to have noted (and realised the significance of) the fact that Joe Biden was a private citizen at the time he was supposedly "implicated" in Hunter's proposed China funding venture (in May 2017).

      Of course, you are only about two years off when you say he was "campaigning for POTUS", which he did not actually announce until April 2019. Which does tend to raise a question about exactly how much "play" he had to sell or "influence" he had to peddle in early 2017?

  27. YuckFou   2 years ago

    The best old school journalist still around.

    Hey GenZ! Why do you think censorship is no big deal?

  28. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

    All Progressives lie, always. They have to. No one besides a handful of fanatic totalitarians would ever support totalitarianism if they actually believed that was what their actions were leading to.

  29. markm23   2 years ago (edited)

    The lab leak theory always was the most likely. The spike protein is so specific to humans that it could not have evolved in any animal – but it could not have evolved in humans without leaving a trail of earlier forms of the disease. And many genetic experts have said that the genetic code for this looks engineered.

    So what were the Chinese doing genetically-engineering a spike protein specifically to infect human cells? It’s called “gain of function research”, and when this was banned in even highly secure US labs (for obvious reasons), Fauci, et. al. hired a lab in Wuhan to do it – and all the lies stem from their desperate need to conceal that they sent this highly dangerous work to a third-world country that was already notorious for lab leaks.

    The other questions are how the new spike protein wound up in a relative of the SARS virus, which already caused one worldwide panic and at least hundreds of deaths, rather than in the most innocuous virus the Chinese could have experimented on, how it leaked, and why the Chinese government and WHO pretended it was non-infectious while the virus established itself as a world-wide pandemic.

    1) Perhaps the lab doing the gain-of-function research was so sloppy that it applied the genetic engineering to an impure sample – whatever they intended to change, and a SARS-like variety of COVID. Or perhaps they were running parallel experiments, one paid for by Fauci’s agency and one secret one for the Chinese military. (What makes me dubious about the second option is that COVID is a horrible choice for a bioweapon – you want a virus that you can easily make a vaccine against, not one that will mutate faster than even the American flu shot industry can keep up with.)

    2) They’re sloppy and have had lab leaks before. I find an accidental leak much more believable than a deliberate own goal. And I know that even if the Chinese government still thinks of millions of dead Chinese as a win, the economic impact was heavy. E.g., I know someone who had electronics being designed in Wuhan. The Wuhan company simply dropped out of contact, and the product is now designed and built in India. That one project is hardly even a rounding error in China’s balance of accounts, but multiply it by thousands…

    3) The Chinese government is evil. It was evil under the Mongols, it was evil under their Han successors, it was evil under the Manchurian dynasty, perhaps Sun Yatsen was not evil but he never really controlled the country, the warlords were evil, Chiang Kai-shek did not rise to be the top warlord by being less evil, but Mao Zedong was worst of all – and the current government traces directly back to him.

    So when they realized that they had accidentally scored an own goal, their reaction was to try to get a sociopath's win out of it. They shut down internal travel in an attempt to limit the virus to Wuhan, but kept the international flights going to infect the first world. In support of that, they claimed the virus was not infectious among humans (an obvious lie when coupled with the shut down of internal travel), and had their creature who led the WHO back them up. I think it worked – right up to the point where international flights brought the virus back to infect all of industrial China. (Evil and stupid is far more common than evil and smart.)

  30. mad.casual   2 years ago

    ... so far.

  31. Ajsloss   2 years ago

    Same.

  32. tracerv   2 years ago

    Opened my eyes to my friends and family.

    People I never guessed were goose steppers turned out to be goose steppers.

  33. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

    Agreed.

  34. Michele   2 years ago

    watching the collapse of the Republic has been the most depressing of mine.

    we started imprisoning political dissidents under Barack and every chance given..., the democrats imprison more conservatives.
    1st Amendment being bastardized, the reeducation of our youths, the Health Care industrial complex figuring out how to make us their product....,
    I just..., *smh*
    while republicans sit silently.

    breaks our hearts.
    it's been hard to watch

  35. perlmonger   2 years ago

    It's good to know who would have hidden Anne Frank, and who would turn her in.

    Ironically, it's the people screaming that everyone else is a Nazi who would have turned her in.

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  37. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

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    Brilliant! And God rest her soul, btw; it's chiding Hitler's as he burns.

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