Biden's 'Economic Plan' Is Industrial Policy That Will Be Terrible for Workers and Consumers
The Democratic president is supercharging former president Trump's failed approach to domestic manufacturing.

A sitting U.S. president called it the "eighth wonder of the world." It was a massive factory, to be sited in Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin, that would make high-end LCD panels. The price tag would come to about $10 billion; local taxpayers would kick in about $4 billion in subsidies over a decade. In return, Wisconsinites were promised 13,000 good-paying jobs and a boost to the state's economy of about $3.4 billion annually.
In a groundbreaking speech at the new factory, the president singled out a union member he said the new plant would help. He said the facility would be built with American concrete and steel. And it heralded a return to manufacturing in the United States. "We're also reclaiming our country's proud manufacturing legacy," the president said, insisting on the importance of protecting domestic steel mills. "We need that for purposes of defense. We need that for purposes of legacy. We're restoring America's industrial might."
Yet three years after the speech, the facility still wasn't completed. The company, Chinese manufacturing giant Foxconn, admitted it would never create 13,000 jobs; the total would be closer to 1,450. State officials recovered billions in subsidies and put the company on what amounted to a performance plan, where it would receive far less government backing, and only on proof of results.
The village of Mount Pleasant, however, would not make a full recovery. To make way for the facility, developers had bulldozed dozens of homes, some of which were taken via eminent domain. At the end of 2022, having spent some hundreds of millions on land and infrastructure for the never-built factory, the municipality was left with debts larger than the entirety of its operating budget, a representative for a community watchdog told Wisconsin Public Radio. The eighth wonder of the world turned out to be little more than dashed dreams, demolished homes, and empty public coffers.
The president who delivered the Foxconn groundbreaking speech was Donald Trump.
Yet in theme and tone it might as well have been delivered by President Joe Biden, who has spent the last year traveling to manufacturing sites and touting his administration's commitment to promoting and subsidizing a resurgence in American factory jobs.
In speeches and tweets, Biden has credited the construction of new manufacturing facilities to what he calls "my economic plan." But what Biden calls his economic plan bears more than a little similarity to Trump's vision of restoring American might through government largesse targeted at private industry.
It's industrial policy on a massive scale, and it amounts to a plan to deploy Foxconn-style manufacturing subsidies nationally in an expensive bid to protect American industry and national security.
Biden's projects may not fail quite as spectacularly as Foxconn's, but history suggests the results probably won't be much better. Indeed, there are already signs that his economic plan is running into trouble.
Biden's industrial policy is, not surprisingly, far more expansive than Trump's. And unlike the Foxconn facility, which was subsidized by the state of Wisconsin, it has been bolstered by major legislation from Congress. Biden's industrial policy rests primarily on three pieces of legislation: the bipartisan infrastructure law signed in 2021, and the Inflation Reduction Act and the CHIPS Act signed last year. Together, this trio of bills provided hundreds of billions in subsidies, tax breaks, and inducements for domestic manufacturing, with a particular emphasis on semiconductor production and clean energy and transportation.
But these subsidies are already being used as vehicles to pursue unrelated goals: The Commerce Department, for example, recently announced that companies receiving subsidies from the CHIPS Act would have to provide child care for their workers.
In addition, the rules say beneficiaries should try to use union labor and pay union wages to construction workers. Biden, of course, is a self-described "union man," but these provisions will inevitably drive up costs and make it more difficult to find suitable workers, since, as Cato Institute scholar Scott Lincicome has noted, only about 12 percent of U.S. construction workers are unionized.
Similarly, Biden's infrastructure plans have been stymied by a requirement to "buy American," since many of the products needed to build domestic infrastructure are no longer made in the United States.
Domestic production requirements have proven more than a headache for builders. When a Michigan baby formula plant stopped production last year following a bacterial infection, Americans struggled to find a replacement because federal rules make it nearly impossible to import baby formula from Europe. At best, "buy American" requirements raise costs. At worst, they put American lives at risk by making vital goods more difficult to procure in emergencies.
This is always the story with industrial policy, whether the mechanism is subsidies or protectionist regulation. No law exemplifies the failures of industrial policy more than the Jones Act, a century-old law that regulates U.S. shipping. When it was passed in 1920, it provided subsidies to build up the American shipping industry. Today, the law includes various wage and labor requirements. And it prevents foreign ships from traveling between domestic ports and some noncontiguous parts of the U.S., such as Puerto Rico. The original text of the statute explained that it was "necessary for the national defense and for the proper growth of [America's] foreign and domestic commerce."
In normal times, its primary effect is to raise prices for American consumers by making it more expensive to ship goods. In emergencies, it has put lives at risk: Last summer, after Hurricane Fiona devastated Puerto Rico, Jones Act rules made it nearly impossible for the island's residents to acquire potentially life-saving goods like fuel for generators. Under pressure, the Biden administration eventually provided a "temporary and targeted" waiver for the rule—a grudging, narrow acknowledgment of the widespread harms it causes.
The reality is that Biden's economic plan amounts to a vast expansion of Jones Act-style industrial policy and protectionism—a vast system of subsidies and regulations to narrowly bolster domestic industry at the expense of American taxpayers and consumers.
Biden might retort that his focus is on promoting the interests of U.S. workers. But all Americans would be served far better by policies that seek to eliminate existing protectionist policies, building resilience and adaptability rather than the economic rigidity that Biden-style industrial planning inevitably entails.
As a bevy of experts from the Cato Institute point out in the recent book Empowering the New American Worker, policy makers should pursue policies that make employment more flexible—like remote work and gig employment, rather than make it more rigidly defined. And they should recognize that factory jobs are not the best or only path for non-college graduates: Retail managers increasingly command six-figure salaries. Occupational licensing laws that require dozens or hundreds of hours of training before certification to work in a profession have mostly served as barriers to entry for aspiring professionals. Eliminating state licensing boards and licensing types can go a long way to making the work force more accessible. Ending the Jones Act, meanwhile, would not only lower prices for American households: It would also mean the end of regulation-driven shipping emergencies like the one in Puerto Rico.
But Biden has chosen expensive subsidies and rigid regulations over flexibility and empowerment. And even those with long experience in American manufacturing are skeptical that Biden's semiconductor manufacturing plans will work as promised. On a Brookings Institution podcast last year, Morris Chang, the retired founder of the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), which through a subsidiary has operated a manufacturing plant in Oregon since the 1990s, warned that America's efforts to subsidize domestic production would be an "expensive exercise in futility." TSMC is in the midst of building a new chip factory in Arizona, and the project has already hit a number of snags, including labor shortages and higher-than-expected costs.
Notably, the project began in 2020, under President Trump—once again demonstrating the unfortunate bipartisan continuity of the approach.
Biden has not engaged in quite the level of hyperbole that Trump did when he said the never-built Foxconn facility would be a new wonder of the world. But he has supercharged industrial policy with vast sums of federal funding. And when he signed the CHIPS Act last year, he sounded many of the same notes that both Trump and the authors of the Jones Act did a century ago, saying that the semiconductor subsidy bill was "in our economic interest and national security interest." But there is little reason to believe Biden's industrial policy plans will be either.
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The Democratic president is supercharging former president Trump's failed approach to domestic manufacturing.
The more Donnie and Joe's policies converge the more the Trump Cult hates old Joe. (see migrant detention, DC law and order, nomination of Jerome Powell, big spending).
It is crazy. Other than on abortion they are very much alike.
(both rated an 'F' with me although I recently moved Joe to a D- for at least acknowledging deficits as a problem)
If you think they are alike, you aren’t thinking.
Joe doesn't French-kiss dictators like Putin and Lil' Kim so you have a point.
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Fuck off, Sevo.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"It is crazy. Other than on abortion they are very much alike."
LOL
Guy who spent 4 years shitting on every aspect of the Trump era, then 2 years in full-blown #DefendBidenAtAllCosts mode, now says Trump and Biden aren't that different.
It appears that the pedophile has new orders.
Trump was a lifelong Democrat until he ran for office.
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Your thought processes are that of an amoeba. The two approaches aren't remotely close to being alike. What the hell is wrong with people like you? Do you not think past the shallow ideological nonsense you peddle? Stop it for the sake of the country and society. You're the problem, not the solution.
The article was simply unconvincing. I’m all for what Biden is attempting, and it sounds great in the long run. Some of these uber-capitalists disagree with it because government funding is greasing the wheels. Not only that, these capitalists don't like some stipulations that come with taking that money, stipulations to make sure that the money reaches the working class (by providing health care; large corporations in other countries provide such services, so it's not as radical as these people would have you believe).
Right now, unemployment is at an all-time low, and once all of this gets off the ground, labor will be in an even better position. Yes, Trump’s Foxconn project failed, but I don’t think that’s a good excuse to throw in the towel on the effort. The fault there was the company itself, not the approach. Perhaps Trump hyped it up more than it was. Still, this was the right track. If Biden is putting Trump’s plan on steroids, that's all to the good. Isn’t that what Trump’s followers wanted to do, to make America great again? Well, our industrial independence is definitely a step in the right direction.
If this fails, it’ll be because certain political forces want it to.
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? A Democrat is in the White House and he's doing something that would be "terrible for workers and consumers"?
Oh well. At least billionaires like Reason.com's sugar daddy Charles "Gimme Cheap Immigrant Labor!" Koch are enjoying the Biden economy.
#OBLsFirstLaw
Someone give trans-Puppet here a list of U.S. and German Nazi billionaires buying up Grabbers-Of-Pussy platform planks.
I’m sure you can provide such a list Hankie-poo.
Just because this article strains to convince us that these industrial plans would be bad for consumers and workers doesn't mean it will. I'm simply not buying the tone of the entire article. It was unconvincing from the opening paragraph to the last, seemingly to rest on the failure of Foxconn to deliver the hyped promise.
Sometimes partisan stupidity is what's at work in such convoluted logic.
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Not forgetting Solyndra.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra
Not an appropriate comparison - the US government in effect put on an economic hedge that paid off. If the cost of panels dropped, solar would be cheaper everywhere, if it went up, then Solyndra would be profitable. And lo! solar was cheaper everywhere.
Planned economies DO NOT WORK.
Fuck off and die.
I love having my money stolen to hedge a bet.
This is flatly incorrect from several angles. Namely:
1. My money was used, but I didn’t place a bet. If I didn’t place a bet with my money, and/or am not remunerated, then the debt incurred has not been “paid off”.
2. If *I* placed the bet then, once again, “paid off” means the money comes back to me. The money going to China or someone else at the table is the opposite of paying out.
3. “Paid off” is with regard to the total sum of money at the table and any given game or hand, not with regard to any given card or bet. The game was to get cheaper electricity, solar panels were just one card. Just because you up the ante thinking you’ll get a specific card doesn’t mean your bet(s) paid out if you lost the hand, and energy prices have risen consistently since 2005.
You're not familiar with the concept of economic profit or loss, evidently.
You aren't familiar with the idea that government shouldn't be in the business of choosing winners and losers with taxpayer money either.
Useless Limey is useless. Fucking punter is probably a Manchester City fan.
What risk did the federal government have that needed to be hedged?
Where is it?
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The difference between Trump and Biden is that Slow Joe was smart enough to go into public service to earn his millions of dollars whereas Dumbass Donnie foolishly chose to work in the private sector. Biden is surely smart enough to manage an economy for 350 million people better than the 350 million can manage it for themselves. He does have experts like Pete Buttigieg and Jennifer Granholm and Janet Yellen and Kamala Harris helping him after all and those people amaze me with their intellects every time they open their mouths.
If Trump supporters had any principles they'd be applauding this.
If you had any, you'd be criticizing this.
"Not supporting it" is not sufficient.
Did you sneer when you said that?
No, just holding you to the identical standards you expect of others. YOU said Trump supporters should be applauding this, if they were consistent. I pointed out that his critics, such as you, should ALSO be consistent and criticize it.
If not for double standards, you'd have none at all.
I don't need to criticize it. Demanding I criticize it is like demanding I criticize the cops for beating up someone in handcuffs. It's one of those "Duh" things.
Trump supporters, on the other hand, ferociously defended tariffs and industrial policy when he did it. Where are they now? Were they defending the policy or the man? I'm thinking the latter. Principals, not principles.
You are incapable of criticism of the left. Every thread critical in the slightest you rush in to throw shit.
I see you are still intellectually lazy to recognize the tariff arguments. Despite yet again having a discussion around it. You also ignore the attempts at deregulation stymied by The Resistance.
But double down on refusing to criticize the left.
Trumpanzees were cheering the guy helping illiterate bigots single out, attack and coerce pregnant women. This is the same reason they cheered Ron Paul and his boy. Ron and Randal pressure the government to force women to bring more terato-kiddies to pediatricians; same appeal to government favoritism that sells other forms of discrimination via deadly force. Childbirth is a danger only women face, and mixing in involuntary compulsion has always increased existing dangers.
A most excellent response given the new report about our Maternal Mortality rates are getting worse. In our free market for-profit healthcare system, all we care about is if we got paid for allowing that pregnant woman to die in our institution.
Nobody here ferociously defended industrial policy like this, not even Ken.
Tariffs, yeah. But as you admitted the other day, tariffs are a better tax to fund the government. Seeing as how he pushed for lower income taxes and higher tariffs, I don’t see why you keep harping on this issue.
The village of Mount Pleasant, however, would not make a full recovery. To make way for the facility, developers had bulldozed dozens of homes, some of which were taken via eminent domain.
The Village of Mount Pleasant will be fine. This is prime industrial/warehouse land near I-94 and will be used by someone else paying taxes to the village. And no, Suderman, dozens of homes were not bulldozed for it. This was formerly an agricultural area between Racine and I-94: https://goo.gl/maps/9NCDx2mZChSJMGqV8
It's a greenfield development.
Let’s reframe this: “centralised decision process hands lots of money to private companies”. Of course it’s highly likely to fail – for the same reason that at an economic level socialism fails. To work, centralised decision processes require far more knowledge of how a market will work than they can possibly come up with. (The genius of the “invisible hand” idea is that no such knowledge is required in a market economy.)
Meanwhile, the more free money the government – state or Federal – hands out to private companies in the form of subsidies, the less likely they are to spend it wisely. This is human nature.
I doubt Biden or Trump, and most of the followers of both – and indeed, most American voters, know much about or understand comparative advantage arguments. And while there is an argument for some industries to be onshore for genuinely strategic purposes, Foxconn isn’t covered.
In general, companies – and sports teams – should stand on their own two feet when it comes to building plant or arenas. There are some exceptions – e.g., the government providing loans at relatively advantageous rates to some companies under some narrowly defined circumstances – but it’s hard to see that Foxconn is one of these exceptions.
Planned economies DO NOT WORK.
Fuck off and die.
I assume the Sevo-bot is posting that I am a leftist, or some such garbage.
No. He is saying that planned economies tend to fail govna.
Which is true and consistent with what I had said..
It's "guv'nor", btw.
It's non-rhotic, gov'na.
LOL. It's still spelled with an "r", because anyone with a non-rhotic accent wouldn't pronounce the "r" anyway, of course. That includes cockney, but also my own (lack of) accent, as an RP speaker.
Congratulations, though. There aren't many people in the land of the seppos who even know the term "non-rhotic", let alone get the opportunity to use it.
Too bad Adam Smith used the words "invisible hand." Had he known how it would be misinterpreted, I am certain he would not have used it. It means that the gov't has to make certain that the Price System is accurate all the time so that people can make rational and reliable business decisions. If that occurs, then it appears as if there is some invisible hand guiding the economy as prosperity abounds, but of course such an idea is foolishness. Billions of billions different tiny decisions each minute of each day throughout the world is the exact opposite of a guiding intelligence overseeing everything.
I am unsure what meme Smith and Keynes could have used. The key to a sound economy for both of them was protection of the Price System. Keynes excelled in tempering the business cycle which grossly distorted the Price System. Govt trying to make business decisions distorts rather than protects the Price System.
The economist who came closest to providing a workable process for businesses is Deming, but a Deming system is dependent upon the govt's protecting rather than distorting the Price System.
>>policy makers should pursue policies that make employment more flexible
policy makers seem to be control-freak tyrants anymore
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This is fine
[Video]
Is this an example of running out of other people's money, or are the French just now picking up the "riot style" which was fashionable with US youth a couple of summers ago?
The French have been revolting for centuries (h/t the Wizard of Id)
Suderman's insightful article could have noted that Wesley Livsey Jones also wrote the Jones Five & Ten law. It made even weak beer a felony and helped trigger the Crash. And why speculate? Biden's push for yoking asset forfeiture and mandatory minimums together into a prohibitionist Doomsday Machine to wreck South America did trigger the Crash of 1987 and guaranteed that the 2008 Bush Crash would result in a lengthy depression. Biden and Reagan-Bush's bipartisan planned economy coercion caused the wreckage you see today.
Just couldn't bring yourself to criticize Old Joe without leading off with TRUMP! BOAF SIDEZ! could you, Peter?
If Suderman was to criticize the Black Death, he would lead off with Trump.
If I were to criticize Trump's delusions, I would lead off with Suderman.
Oooo lookee... a mystical trumpanzee predicting Donnie's horoscope!
You’re an idiot Hank, Old Engineer made a funny post.
Neither the GOP nor the Dem understand the government's role in managing the economy. Both Trump's and Biden's forays into financing the public sphere violate both Adam Smith and Keynes. Explaining the government's proper role is rather time consuming, but one would think that a president would have time to learn since it is one of his most important tasks as President. It is some what similar to providing software for a computer like Wordperfect vs writing the actual text. Government provides the context for business; it does not actually become the business. That is line which both Trump and Biden crossed.
We should allow our government the opportunity to participate in the capitalistic system. Given our anti-trust laws, why is there only one or two companies making baby formula? We know this is a vital product, so let's get in the baby formula business. This is a great idea for states; who should have learned the lesson self perseverance after covid.
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Well you can't have a complete Nazi-Empire ([Na]tional So[zi]ialism) without a National Government regulating, funding and stealing all industries and medians of trade.
What is the functional difference between “Make America Great Again” and “Building a Better America”?
Progressive (i.e. Aggressive) use of Gov-Guns against it's citizens?
Oh wait.... Guns don't build sh*t.... What a dumb ideology.
Making a Nation great 'again' would infer a reversal of Aggressive/Progressive use of Gov-Guns against it's citizens.
Is the Westphalian nation state system overlaid onto the global economy, or vice versa? Man is not Homo Economicus and not all human affairs can be reduced to matters of trade. Mr Suderman states that the USA cannot/should not have an industrial policy because inter alia many components of finished products are no longer made here, whereas that fact argues for the very opposite: the USA needs a coordinated national policy to combat the Chicoms coordinated national policy. As it stands, the Chicoms continue to facilitate the wholesale transfer of technical knowledge and the industrial base of the West via a variety of interlinking strategies and are happy to maintain the enervating status quo through compromise of our gentry class and the politicians who arise therefrom. Please to see exhibit A: our wonderful First Family of grifters who have even surpassed the Clintons in brazen avarice and smug insouciance, knowing the natsec security apparat has got their backs.
Are the Chicoms, in response to the USA finally showing a little life and getting tough in chip production (the long term effect of which is to cleave the technology stacks and present each country a binary choice), throwing their arms up and moaning about not presently having an industrial-technical base to be self-sufficient in semiconductor manufacturing? No, they crank their industrial espionage into high gear and go about creating the base at the direction of the government. The absence of a particular component or components doesn’t cause them to abandon the effort but is instead its raison d’être.
To wit: frictionless commerce—so desirable in The abstract— is not the ideal for individual state actors in a world of nation states animated by the vagaries of human society. As should have been amply demonstrated to the satisfaction of even the most fundamentalist libertarian free marketer by the dearth of medical products in the iron grip of the Covid pandemic, and the USA’s abject reliance on its objective enemy and source of the outbreak for the supply of pharmaceutical ingredients, national autarky in strategic areas must of a necessity be developed, and to hell with the purists. At the very least, we should be able to relocate the multinational sweatshops to allied countries and away from our main geopolitical rival, currently led by a belligerent Pooh [or is it Poo?] Bear.
I’ve definitely come around on this as a matter of applied theory. Sometimes it’s not about free trade principles sometimes it’s about national security.
But I sure as hell don’t trust any of these policies to actually do what they promise to do or to not just devolve into more corporatist control of our own markets. It’s the government. A massively corrupt and inept one at that.
Biden’s ‘Economic Plan’ Is Industrial Policy That Will Be Terrible for Workers and Consumers But Provide Huge Profit For Democratic Billionaires.
Is someone loses, someone else wins.
With all those anti Trump articles, there must be an election coming up, and Reason writers have received their marching orders again.
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therefore supported every single one of his policies unquestioningly.
Surely you merely remain silent where you disagree with him, so it only appears as though you agree unquestioningly. It's bloody unusual to find a Trump supporter who will actually give an example of where they disagree. Of course, one advantage of Trump's 2020 platform is that there were no policies on it with which to disagree - just "vote for me", where of course you'd all agree.
Shrike, you are free to go look at articles and see many here who disagreed with his policies. Bump stock, covid spending, fostering Fauci and the CDC etc. Unlike you who runs in to defend every Biden criticism.
Sevo is a bot?
That explains a great deal.
And I thought he was just a shallow imbecile who posted the same shit over and over again.
I’ll answer to “guv’nor”, but shrike is still not true.
This isn’t the US government’s role, nor does it have the authority,
That may or may not be true, but doesn’t address the specifics of the point.
Cite?
No. I merely observe the ongoing Trump fellatio here. But if you can provide me with some specific examples...
I've not seen too many other libertarians here, fwiw. Lots of right-wing authoritarians, of course, in addition to the inevitable lefties, and outright crazies (some overlap of other categories here). Aside from me, I see almost no other Brin-ian libertarians. FWIW as a proportion, there seem to be more libertarians over on the Volokh boards.
Arguably, the US government has the role and the authority from the general welfare clause(s). Certainly, the Supreme Court has consistently preferred an expansive definition of "welfare".
Whether from a libertarian perspective any government should have the role and the authority is a separate matter - and it may also be contingent on which type of libertarian you are.
Are you retarded?
Short (bus) answer, yes, Shrike is retarded.
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Still guv'nor, still not shrike.
A good hedge may not generate cash (immediately), and a bad hedge may do so. It's not about the movement of cash, but about the valuation of the position.
Fair enough. Then I observe that you and JesseAZ, who are otherwise consistent liars and POSs, may actually have scraped together just enough integrity to admit to disagreement with Trump in one or two things.
we will take your assessment with a grain of salt.
Evidence that "welfare" meant transfer payments from producers to buy votes from non-producers back when the Constitution was ratified? Where is it? Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3 was mooted by the Reconstruction Amendments. That dawg won't hunt.
The "general welfare" clause gave the government no power of any kind beyond the specific powers granted by the Constitution. Within those powers, the government can act for the general welfare, outside of those powers, the government cannot act at all.
Wait, you think you’re a libertarian?
You mean toxic assets?
Please elucidate what the government's role in subsidizing solar panel manufacturing should be.
None. Nuclear electricity should enjoy the artificial protections afforded communist-approved unreliable power, with not a penny in subsidies for either.
I unmuted the protein-stain just to see what it disagreed with The Donald about. Figured it would be the color of the drapes. I wasn't far off. Back on mute it goes.
Listened to an interesting podcast today and they were talking about ape hierarchy and how it applies to humans. Those two, having no accomplishments or ideas to point to, try to gain status with dominance behavior. Otherwise known as bullying. But it doesn't work, because they are asses.
All of your arguments are against the person. Same with your girlfriends. That's why y'all are impotent imps on mute. People with ideas have no use for you, so the only replies you get are from each other. And in your case you're not even a Master Baiter. You're just a masturbating monkey at the zoo throwing jizz on children. No one likes you. Back on mute you go.
I’m sure you can point to where anyone here applauded Trump doing this.
Oh, you think not pissing on Trump is fellatio. That explains a lot.
I still don’t think you’re shrike, but goddamn.