New York Arrest Would Be a Gift for Trump
Plus: Libertarians ask Supreme Court to consider New York ballot access rule change, Wyoming bans abortion pills, and more...

Many observers expect New York authorities to arrest former President Donald Trump this week. It's hard to imagine this being anything but a boon for Trump, who is running for president again.
Decisions about whether to bring criminal charges against a politician or authority figure certainly shouldn't hinge on whether it will help or hurt the person's political fortunes. But it's tough to see why Trump opponents would actually be cheering for this arrest.
As it stands, the Republican establishment and electorate both seem much more enamored with the thought of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis as their party's future than with the continuance of a Trump-helmed GOP. But Trump's arrest could boost his claims of unfair persecution in a way that Trump supporters find sympathetic, compelling conservative officials to rally around him and delegitimizing future attempts to prosecute Trump for more serious offenses. And for what? The expected charges in this case—falsifying business records—will hardly lead to major punishment even if Trump is convicted.
And setting all politics aside, the charges are pretty weak.
The expected indictment stems from money that Trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, paid to porn star Stormy Daniels in 2016. The money was intended to keep her quiet about a past Daniels-Trump tryst.
In 2018, Cohen pleaded guilty to paying Daniels $130,000 at Trump's direction "for the principal purpose of influencing the election." This counted as an excessive contribution to the Trump presidential campaign. (Individual donors are permitted to give only relatively small amounts to a candidate each election cycle. There was a $2,700 limit in 2016, though its since been raised to $3,300.) Meanwhile, Trump admitted to reimbursing Cohen for this payment, using his own (not campaign) money. It was "a simple private transaction," said Trump, seeming to believe this made everything legal.
And indeed, experts have been divided over whether this payment counted as a criminal act, a campaign finance law violation, or nothing. As Reason's Jacob Sullum points out, "there is nothing inherently illegal about that payment." The theory underlying the case against Cohen was that he paid the money to influence the 2016 presidential election—but the money could just as well have been "to avoiding personal embarrassment for Trump or [to spare] Melania Trump's feelings."
The Federal Election Commission (FEC) investigated the matter as a possible violation of election law, but eventually decided not to pursue it.
Now, around seven years after Cohen paid Daniels, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is pursuing criminal charges against Trump. This time, the case rests on whether Trump falsified business records and with what intent.
In court, Cohen said that Trump's company had "falsely accounted" for the reimbursement payments he received, calling them legal expenses and citing a retainer agreement that didn't exist. Cohen has also claimed that Trump knew about this deception.
"In New York, falsifying business records can amount to a crime, albeit a misdemeanor," notes The New York Times. "To elevate the crime to a felony charge, Mr. Bragg's prosecutors must show that Mr. Trump's 'intent to defraud' included an intent to commit or conceal a second crime. In this case, that second crime could be a violation of New York State election law."
But proving that Trump intentionally violated campaign finance rules is hard, considering Trump's statements that he thought the personal payment was just a private transaction. The lack of evidence that Trump "knowingly and willingly" flouted election law seems to be why a federal case was never pursued. (It's also unclear how New York election law would cover a violation of federal limits on campaign contributions.)
"Even if Mr. Trump is indicted, convicting him or sending him to prison will be challenging," comments the Times. "For one thing, Mr. Trump's lawyers are sure to attack Mr. Cohen's credibility by citing his criminal record. The case against the former president also likely hinges on an untested and therefore risky legal theory involving a complex interplay of laws. Combining the falsifying business records charge with a violation of state election law would be a novel legal theory for any criminal case, let alone one against the former president."
The idea that New York prosecutors will somehow succeed in showing what the FEC and other federal authorities couldn't is suspect. They're also running up against statute-of-limitations constraints. "In New York, misdemeanors have to be prosecuted within two years, and Class E felonies have to be prosecuted within five years," writes Sullum, who points out that the "legal expenses" payments to Cohen were made sometime in 2017. "Prosecutors would have to cite records that were falsified more recently, which maybe they can do, but to what end?"
Considering all of this, prosecuting Trump now would basically be an exercise in chest-thumping to score some political points, not a pure effort to see that justice is served. Which means that Trump's claims of a politics-based persecution could, in this instance, be right.
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Ballot access battles. Republican lawmakers are maneuvering to stop abortion measures from appearing on ballots, reports Politico. Meanwhile, third parties in New York are fighting efforts to keep their candidates off the ballot. Specifically, they're asking the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene.
"After watching the pro-abortion rights side win all six ballot initiative fights related to abortion in 2022—including in conservative states such as Kansas and Kentucky—conservatives fear, and are mobilizing to avoid, a repeat," write Politico's Alice Miranda Ollstein and Megan Messerly. To this effect, "legislatures in Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Missouri, North Dakota, Ohio and Oklahoma are debating bills this session that would hike the filing fees, raise the number of signatures required to get on the ballot, restrict who can collect signatures, mandate broader geographic distribution of signatures, and raise the vote threshold to pass an amendment from a majority to a supermajority."
In other ballot access news: "The Supreme Court this week officially docketed a petition for a writ of certiorari in the case Libertarian Party of New York, et al. v. New York State Board of Elections, et al.," reports Reason's Brian Doherty. This means that the Court will at least consider hearing the hearing case, which challenges ballot access restrictions in New York state:
A press release from the New York Libertarian Party (NYLP) sums up the tightening of ballot access requirements in its state that led to the lawsuit, in which it is joined by the Green Party of New York: "The threshold for a party to maintain recognized party status and ballot access was increased from 50,000 votes to 130,000 votes or 2% of the vote in the previous gubernatorial or presidential election, whichever is higher."
This led, the press release points out, to four parties that used to have ballot access in New York suddenly losing it: the Libertarian Party, the Green Party, the Independence Party, and the SAM Party. The NYLP press release points out that of the four, only the L.P., whose 2020 presidential candidate Jo Jorgensen got 60,000 votes in the state, would have kept the party's ballot access under the pre-2020 lower threshold.
The NYLP's gubernatorial candidate in 2022, Larry Sharpe, failed to make the ballot under the new rules after gathering 42,000 signatures when he needed 3,000 more to make it—meaning, as the NYLP's press release put it, that Sharpe "actually got more signatures than any other candidate, and yet he was denied a ballot spot due to the increased thresholds for ballot access." The signatures requirement prior to the challenged 2020 change was just 15,000. The signatures must be gathered in a 42-day window, making it even harder. Thanks to the new tougher signature requirement and threshold for staying a recognized party, New York saw only two candidates on the ballot for governor in 2022, for the first time since 1946.
You can find the petition to the Supreme Court—which comes from the Libertarian Party of New York, the Green Party of New York, and several individuals—here.
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Wyoming bans abortion pills. Wyoming Gov. Mark Gordon, a Republican, has signed a law explicitly banning abortion pills—a first for a U.S. state. "The pills are already banned in 13 states that have blanket bans on all forms of abortion, and 15 states already have limited access to abortion pills," reports the Associated Press. "Until now, however, no state had passed a law specifically prohibiting such pills."
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• Twenty years ago today, then-President George W. Bush ordered airstrikes on Baghdad, thus beginning the Iraq War. "The United States spent an estimated $2 trillion in Iraq over the two decades, a price tag that barely begins to express the toll it has taken on both countries," writes Robert Draper at The New York Times. "Roughly 8,500 American military personnel and contractors lost their lives there, according to Brown University's Costs of War project, and as many as 300,000 others returned home suffering from post-traumatic stress disorders. Iraq lost nearly half a million civilians in the war and the subsequent eight-year American occupation."
• Two decades later, the war in Iraq is over—right?
• Bills in Hawaii, New York, and Vermont would decriminalize prostitution.
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Many observers expect New York authorities to arrest former President Donald Trump this week.
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I'm thinking that being arrested should never be a positive thing for a politician. That being said, when you're living in Clown World, and there are entire swaths of the justice system out ot get one guy for anything, it will definitely boost his chances. Imagine the campaign ads showing the thousands of criminals Bragg has released just to go "get" The Donald.
How can the Democrats resist? Some hate Trump irrationally, and can't help trying anything that might banish him from their reality, or at least from the public stage. Others are a bit more crafty, and want to use Trump to win more elections, since he very effectively motivates voters (see point one). Thus publicity now enhances Trump's chances in the primary, and Democrats are sure they can beat him in the general.
They were sure they could beat him in 2016, too. They won't have Covid this time to cover their election meddling and fraud.
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Well the thing is that Biden is so transparently corrupt that it would be rejected if it was fictional. I mean. We have proof beyond any semblance of a doubt that he was taking bribes. That he used undue influence to keep his son out of drug charges. That he assaulted women of his staff on a routine basis.
And yet Biden is untouched, while they go unquestionably at Trump.
The problem has always been selective enforcement of the law, and Trump is just the clearest example. As this comes shortly after the January 6th videos that had defendants calling Brady violations, this simply anchors people who think that the DOJ has become entirely political and untrustworthy.
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“We have proof beyond any semblance of a doubt…”
We don’t. We have circumstantial evidence and accusations, but no smoking gun. That may only because he has been smart enough or lucky enough so far to bury all his tracks, but it’s still true.
It's beyond doubt, Mike.
Really, let's take the latest news. There were bank transfers going to Biden's brother, to Hunter, and to Beau's widow. But none to Joe Biden. Thus, no "smoking gun".
Sure. Companies and governments give millions to the nearest relatives of a US Senator, VP, potential President, and (perhaps) President. Just a coincidence, and the elected official never benefits personally.
Standard operating procedure. Corporate America is littered with people whose only obvious qualification for their cushy job is being related to a prominent congresscritter.
Not at all. The rest of the Bidens are so bright and crafty that they were making millions without Joe. Stay stupid, Mike. Stay extremely stupid and never change.
I’m sure Mike can explain what Ashley Biden did for 25k for a Chinese energy company.
Shower together?
That's pure gold.
As in golden shower!
And evidence of comingling of accounts with Joe, and his family paying his bills.
SARs are not circumstantial.
Dude. Please.
Co-conspirators have confirmed the schemes to funnel money to Ol Joe.
I seriously doubt there has ever been a bribery case with *more* evidence.
I get that democrats don't take bribery cases seriously if the politician in question is a democrat... but there is zero question of there being a provable case on Joe taking bribes. Just on public information, any prosecutor could win that case.
Like all elites, Democratic royalty simply can't see their own corruption. And neither can their acolytes.
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"Arresting political opponents is bad because it might help orangemanbad"
Such libertying!
I've been seeing this argument suddenly popping up on a number of issues.
"Doing this bad thing is bad because it makes the other side right."
Why they censored true information regarding covid.
The True Libertarian (tm) position. So sayeth ENB!
Not just here, though. Across a variety of platforms. I know people have always used this argument to an extent, but it just seems to be more prevalent. It strikes me as an odd way of saying the other side was right.
Doing this bad thing is bad because it makes the other side right.
Fortunately, when it comes to ethics, right and wrong don’t require progressive affirmation. They are petrified of having to defend the indefensible, so they lash out.
Given Trump has been getting investigated six ways from Sunday since around 2016 and they still haven't nailed him, I have to believe one of two things is true:
1.) He's clean.
2.) He's a lot smarter than his opponents.
I've always thought the issue is that he is corrupt the way businessmen are corrupt (e.g. ethically horrible, legally above board) and not the way politicians are corrupt (e.g. both legally and ethically horrible, but swept under the rug as long as you play ball with your party).
^
And this is why the usual trick don't work - the assumption is that, like all politicians, he's dirty as fuck and enough investigation will turn up something, because they don't understand that as a businessman he's needed to cultivate the habit of keeping his sleaze at least technically legal.
He has to be the cleanest New York real estate developer in history.
He not only operates in a hopelessly corrupt city, he also operated casinos in Atlantic City, a corrupt business in a corrupt location.
And nothing. They have had politically motivated investigations going in several state, local and federal offices for more than a half decade, and they have nothing.
I would have bet that this was impossible.
Pick any NYC developer.... wouldn't you bet that a motivated NY AG could find at least a couple of felonies? Or that an IRS office could find something?
These guys were so motivated that they actually framed people for crimes, attempted to entrap others into invented process crimes, just so they could get Trump. And they failed even when willing to falsify evidence, illegally spy on people, and use corrupt judges.
I cannot imagine how he kept things so clean.
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It's all in her head because Jeff and White Mike have told us many times that this doesn't actually happen.
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Umm, you've got to be mentally ill to want to detransition. How could you not want to be one of these super human elites? /S
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Latest Twitter Files Shows Stanford’s “Virality Project” Flagged Real Covid Science as ‘Disinformation’
Stanford must be a goddamn circus. A couple of the best dissenting voices of reason during the COVID hysteria came from Stanford, and so did much of the worst acts of censorship.
It is in California. So kind of a given being clown world.
Where else can you believe anything and it comes true?
Once upon a time, Stanford was listed by Newsweek as America's premier university. Now, it is among the worst.
How is being listed by Newsweek as the best inconsistent with being the worst? You act like there MUST have been a change.
Absolutely embarrassing. And yet no shame, not a shred of it.
Twenty years ago today, then-President George W. Bush ordered airstrikes on Baghdad, thus beginning the Iraq War.
Well actually, I think the war started when Iraq flew planes into Pearl Harbor.
Don't stop him, he's on a roll...
Actually, tanks into Kuwait and that was the final act.
Bills in Hawaii, New York, and Vermont would decriminalize prostitution.
In the national divorce, these states can have hookers and abortion, and the others can have, um, I guess public schools that are actually open to students.
Hookers in masks really enforces the no kissing aspect.
To prevent the spread of infection the Health Department of The State Of New York recommends passing bills directly through the glory hole.
"The United States spent an estimated $2 trillion in Iraq over the two decades, a price tag that barely begins to express the toll it has taken on both countries," writes Robert Draper at The New York Times. "Roughly 8,500 American military personnel and contractors lost their lives there, according to Brown University's Costs of War project, and as many as 300,000 others returned home suffering from post-traumatic stress disorders. Iraq lost nearly half a million civilians in the war and the subsequent eight-year American occupation."
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"Many observers expect New York authorities to arrest former President Donald Trump this week. It's hard to imagine this being anything but a boon for Trump, who is running for president again."
LOL
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Folks, we are watching Moby Dick play out in real life with Alvin Bragg starring as Captain Ahab, and Donald Trump as The White Whale. I'm going to take a guess as to how this story ends for Captain Ahab.
Split your lungs with blood and thunder
When you see the orange whale
Break your backs and crack your oars men
If you wish to prevail
This ivory leg is what propels me
Harpoons thrust in the sky
Aim directly for his crooked brow
And look him straight in the eye
Orange Whale, thank you very much.
Also, in this case, Captain Ahab has the entirety of the crew of the Pequod egging him and cheering his every hateful screed against the whale, telling him that he absolutely has to get that damned whale. And if he doesn't get that whale, they're absolutely going to mutiny because he wasn't trying hard enough.
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Unfortunately, TDS isn't terminal.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/20/the-lingering-malady-of-trump-derangement-syndrome/
You don’t have to be a Team Trump, ‘January 6’ hothead to know that such an indictment would be a brazenly political act, motivated more by coastal-elite animus towards the Bad Orange Man than by concern about a little white lie in Trump’s business accounts. Bragg is a radical Democrat. His loathing of Trump is well known. He’s also notoriously soft on crime, to the fury of many New Yorkers.
It matters not one jot what you think of Trump. His faults are clear to most. The fact is that Trump Derangement Syndrome is a bigger threat to the American republic than Trumpism could ever be. This week’s potential indictment of Trump captures that beautifully, or terrifyingly.
The only possible explanation for criticism of
ObamaTrump isracismTDS! Straight up!Do you know the difference between criticism and criminal charges?
"Do you know the difference between criticism and criminal charges?"
That requires a certain amount of honesty and intelligence, neither of which are evident in that lying pile of lefty shit.
Parody is obsolete: Exhibit #4,783
Chris Christie could be the strongest GOP alternative for POTUS; savvy, swagger, moderation, toughness
Maybe you could have made that case a few elections ago. And even then you'd have to acknowledge he's so fat, voters would be justified rejecting him for health reasons.
#300PoundWeightLimit
You shouldn’t body shame fatties. It makes Jeff sad.
Apparently this is now a "white supremacist" idea, but I suspect it's unhealthy to be obviously overweight by many dozens of pounds.
TBH some DeSantis pics make me think he should drop a few.
Hard not to feel bad for the people sucked into this ideology. I dont know how much it shapes people's future actions rather than just being cope for their inadequacy. But consider the things 'white supremacy' should be causing people to avoid:
- objectivity
- promptness
- hard work
- physical fitness
- rationality
I assume most are just happy to say these things are 'white supremacy' because they are fat, stupid, and have a kind of crappy life and like to think they are just powerless due to a system rigged against them, and the people who dabble in the above are mean evil people. But some kids are being taught they shouldn't strive for greatness because its 'white', which is a mix of sadistic and depressing.
Also, considering the above traits, just sign me up for the 'bigotry / white supremacy' group I guess, sounds like the people are smarter, hotter, and more dependable.
Fat, lazy and stupid is the only way to go through life, Bluto.
Hey, it's worked so far for my governor.
0.0 is the ideal for which we must strive.
Look, if not for those cruel white supremacy sins, we could all be living the good life, like in humanity's African homelands.
That’s a good list jimbo, but just last week we learned that POC who keep a clean kitchen and pantry are “white supremacists”. Or at the very least guilty of cultural appropriation.
The anti racists are a hoot.
That would have an interesting race: Christie versus Pritzker. Might be able to figure who should be President from a donut eating contest.
/Yes, I’m being facetious.
Too bad. I was looking forward to seeing that contest.
Lard! Ass! Lard! Ass! Lard! Ass!
No need to vote, just build a giant balance scale.
They'd have to reinforce the debate stages for those two porkers.
Ugh, two "white whale" posts in a row.
Christie lost whatever mojo he had in the wake of the bridge scandal. Overall, he wasn't a bad politician, but the party's base has moved beyond the basic Tea Party cultural wave that helped him get the governor's office in the first place.
Paving the road to Hell, one coarse of asphalt at a time.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/19/the-road-to-hell-in-iraq-was-paved-with-good-intentions/
To understand the driving forces behind the Iraq War, we need to look not at neoconservative cliques and greedy oil barons, but at two broader trends instead – the development of an ‘ethical’, ‘humanitarian’ or ‘values-based’ foreign policy, and the culture of fear. Because it’s these two trends combined that provided Blair and Bush with the sincere conviction that invading Iraq was the right thing to do.
So fuck ethics? WTF???
I would think that confining the use of U.S. Armed Forces to bona fide threats to the Life, Liberty, and Property of U.S. Citizens and letting U.S. Citizens volunteer their time and resources to pro-freedom causes abroad would be very ethical.
That is just straight revisionist history.
The direct trail to invading Iraq is:
Islamic fundamentalism is a direct threat to the stability of the entire region, which threatens world peace. --- the occupation of Southern Iraq and Saudi Arabian bases has gone on too long and is not sustainable. --- people everywhere want freedom and democracy and the rising standard of living that comes with it.
Put those three things together and the choice was to declare victory and go home - strengthening Hussein and perhaps providing a strong base for expansion of terrorist activities and attacks against US allies like Israel... or take Saddam out.
The neocons had been pitching taking Saddam out and using that as a lever to overthrow all of the dictators in the region for at least a half decade before Bush was elected. So they got what they wanted.
Clinton and Obama proved that the neocon mission was bipartisan, as they did not deviate from the strategy at all. (And at least Bush went to congress for authorization).
Bush I did the right thing. Cage Saddam, but leave him as a counterweight to Iran.
Bush II f'd it up. I blame Cheney and Colin Powell (UN speech).
As if Trump wasn't enough of a martyr already with the stolen election and the media conspiracy and his followers being arrested for political crimes.
His arrest will turn his campaign into a religious movement.
Yup. This New York prosecution is a dumb idea.
I know right?
People might start getting the impression they just have it out for the guy and will grasp at any straw to have him taken down.
Im betting on unpaid parking ticket eventually getting him!
He also walks on water before turning it into wine.
Did they find any of that magic wine when they conducted a raid (read: fishing expedition) on him?
Cite?
The Bible, idjit.
Trump is in the Bible?
All the horsemen of the apocalypse, plus the great beast to hear MSNBC tell it.
Trump isn't in the Bible retard.
Tell that to his supporters.
Got a citation or a link there, Sarc?
It's a metaphor, retard.
No grasshopper, it is not.
I’d rather use a flamethrower on your strawman.
My comments were merely pointing out how the martyr is becoming a deity.
I didn't make some bogus claim about an argument you made and then refute it.
That's what JesseAz does when he posts some comment of mine from years ago, argues against some misinterpretation of it, and then calls me a liar when I disagree.
If you want to see strawmanning, look at his posts.
It was an accusation.
My comments were merely pointing out how the martyr is becoming a deity.
Cite? You did it a second time.
That’s what JesseAz does when he posts some comment of mine from years ago, argues against some misinterpretation of it, and then calls me a liar when I disagree.
So you admit I cite my claims. Where do you do so? And I post links and copies of your posts for everyone to see. How do I misinterpret direct links?
How do I misinterpret direct links?
Oh, I don't know. Could be when you link to me saying "I think 20 years is excessive" and then say "You even fucking defended 20 year threats against the protestors you fucking lying shit."
The only liar is you.
I'm tired of this. Back on mute you go, Master Baiter.
Difficulty, I linked to the post prior to you “finding out” the charge was 20 years (despite being told that for months, see entire thread), after you said you were for the charges.
You did as I said. You were for the charges based on ignorance.
And he runs away after seeing all the evidence of his prior stances. Lol.
"That’s what JesseAz does when he posts some comment of mine from years ago, argues against some misinterpretation of it, and then calls me a liar when I disagree."
This is what the drunken pile of lefty shit claims when he's been caught lying again.
If thou shalt trump with one trump, the princes and the chief men of the multitude of Israel shall come to thee;
Numbers 10:4 (yes, really), Wycliffe translation
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2010%3A4&version=WYC
Cite one of his supporters making that claim.
You really do base your entire view on strawman dont you.
Sarcasmic read something about an antichrist and inferred from there.
Luckily all those non violent j6 prosecutions are still going so you can continue to support at least some political prosecutions.
Except that I have, more times than I can count, soundly mocked anyone using the word "insurrection" to describe that bunch of Republican yahoos milling about. Just because I don't wake up every morning sobbing about political prosecutions doesn't mean I don't think the whole thing is ridiculous.
Cite one time if it is more times than you can count. How many times have you laughed at st Babbitt being killed by cops?
You even fucking defended 20 year threats against the protestors you fucking lying shit.
Thread of you supporting the charges well after told about the charges being pushed. At least you finally admitted 20 years was a tad much.
https://reason.com/2022/06/08/seditious-conspiracy-charges-for-proud-boys-taint-january-6-prosecutions/?comments=true#comment-9533144
Your entire defense of 900 prosecutions, less than 200 violent charges, continued for over a year with your support. And you continue to support 2 year pleas for non violent acts.
Wow dude. You lie about what I said and then post a link where I say the opposite of what you claim I said. You’re really bad at this. At this point I'm convinced that you have a mental illness of some sort. Seriously. You read "Charges of trespassing, vandalism and interfering with government business are sufficient. No need to add political crimes to the list." and conclude that I support political crimes. Fucking retardation on steroids.
No. I posted the comment of you supporting the prosecutions you fucking retard.
sarcasmic 10 months ago Flag Comment Mute User Charges of trespassing, vandalism and interfering with government business are sufficient. No need to add political crimes to the list.
This is months after the arrests started. The 20 year threats were the political crimes as it is a law that has almost never been implemented such as the Kavanaugh protests. This is months of you being told about these charges. You finally plead ignorance that you didnt know. Ignorance seems to be one of your go to in life. Read the entire thread shit for brains.
As clarified for you, the 20 year charges are contained in your post. You had been told this dozens of times prior. The entire thread is of you cheering political prosecutions then claiming ignorance when backed into a corner.
I said 20 years was excessive, retard.
I just bolded the part of your statement YET AGAIN of you supporting the 20 years. Try again. You called it sufficient.
Most of them still are facing 2-5 years for non violent crimes.
Seriously?
You’re telling me that what I say I think is wrong because of how you interpret some post on the internet last year?
You have any idea how stupid that is?
“Hey, I think…”
"Shut up! This is what you think! Look a this post from last June!”
“Um, actually..”
“SHUT THE FUCK UP! I TELL YOU WHAT YOU THINK!”
“This guy has problems.”
You literally admitted ignorance on the following comments you fucking idiot. Only when you were finally backed into the corner and given the law and charges did you relent slightly.
Again, majority of the non violent protestors pleading to parading are still getting a year or more. Yet you defend the prosecutions. You defend it being selective as Kavanaugh protestors were not charged the same.
Everyone is free to read the fucking links. Are you claiming your statements in those links don't exist for everyone to see? Lol.
Shorter JesseAz: "SHUT THE FUCK UP! I TELL YOU WHAT YOU THINK! HURR DURR!"
No. I said everyone can read the links. Youre the one denying what you said.
Another fun one for you. Cheering on hate crime legislation intended to target trump supporters. Your response “fuck em.”
sarcasmic 1 year ago Flag Comment Mute User Clearly anti-Asian hate crime laws are written to target Trump supporters and talk radio listeners stirring up hatred about the “Chinese flu” and the Chinese people who created it.
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And so what? They’re so full of hate it’s dripping out their ears. Fuck ‘em.
Totally libertarian.
You mocking and defending the prosecution of the guy who put his feet on Pelosi desk. Believe he got 5 years.
https://reason.com/2022/04/13/bidens-plan-to-ease-gas-prices-will-save-drivers-a-few-cents-at-some-pumps-2-months-from-now/?comments=true#comment-9445165
Here is another good one. J6 prosecutions don't count as political prosecutions to you.
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Sure. Show me where people in this country are being systematically rounded up and confined solely solely because their politics differ from that of the administration, and have otherwise committed no crime. Meaning your friends who stormed the Capital on J6 don’t count.
1000 indictments with DoJ claiming another 1000. Under 200 charged with any form of violence.
What did your mom tell you the "R" on your bus pass meant?
No retort the the evidence of your prior stances huh.
*psst* It meant retard, but she was too nice to tell you.
You must've been one of those who took the short bus to school.
Was kicked off for biting the other kids.
Sarc dropped out of school long before that.
10 months in solitary confinement for receiving a guided tour from some cops. Nothing political about that, right?
It is just amazing watching him pretend he has the libertarian position here and is unbiased.
Yes, and it will make DeSantis' job harder.
Unless they have the goods to lock him up or remove him from politics, leave him alone.
What's the old saying: Never disturb your enemy when he is making a mistake.
Another problem with the current gerontocracy: absent Congress members:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/20/senate-absences-gop-democrats-00087682
“It’s not an idle matter, either: Both parties’ attendance issues are affecting Senate business, from crucial floor votes to the mundane business of committee hearings.”
Good. Best thing that could happen is they go out of business.
Not helped by the fact that Democrats sent a stroke victim to the Senate.
#VoteBlueNoMatterWho
Sent a stroke victim to the senate, and have actively ran cover for a fully demented 90 year old who doesn't know where she is or what she is doing at any given time.
Feinstein? She still there?
Last news was she is finishing out her term. I think when they announced she was finishing out her term she didn't remember they were announcing it and seemed confused about what was happening and where she was.
Her term isnt up until the end of 2024...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R01mbOdGaHg
"CRINGE: Sen. Dianne Feinstein UNAWARE Of Own Retirement Announcement When Asked"
Featuring Rico Suave himself!
Where's Jackie?
What about Jackie?
(grr, must refresh more often)
I would think the Democrat's push to crimininalize any attempt to "influence an election" in a direction they do not like is dangerously close to criminalizing opposition to their party.
This isn’t an election influence case. Now, Trump really did try to influence the election in Georgia and he should be prosecuted for that very serious crime against democracy.
Their definition of "influence an election" is as loose and dishonest as their use of the term "misinformation".
No he didn’t. You just are desperate for political prosecutions.
Do you know what did influence elections? Zuckerbucks, illegal election changes, bullshit impeachment, lying about hunter laptops, cdc covid fear mongering, censorship, etc.
Going to call for prosecution there?
On the phone they were discussing fraudulent votes. Asking to find fraudulent votes is not illegal. Youre just a pro dem and will push any narrative that helps your team.
Petitioning government officials is cobsturionally protected.
A phone call from the President asking them to come up with an exact number of votes to make him win re-election in their state is “petitioning”.
Thats not what he did you lying sea lion.
The entire conversation was regarding fraudulent votes. The number was how many were needed to change results. He didn't say to make up votes, throw put legal votes, or stop at an exact number.
Youre such a partisan hack.
Yeah it is. It's exactly what he did.
It wasn't about fraudulent votes. The person he was talking to didn't think he was talking about fraudulent votes. Any rational person listening to the conversation knows it wasn't about fraudulent votes.
How many times will you fools who believe Trump won reset your narrative before you finally accept that no one cheated and Trump lost because he was a bad President?
Yes it was. The entire conversation was regarding the estimated fraudulent votes numbered around 30k in violation of state election law, like voting in the wrong districts. Sorry youre ignorant to facts.
I'm quite aware of the facts. The only way someone could think that he wasn't trying to get Brad Raffensperger to alter the legitamate results of an election would be an unwillingness to accept reality.
There's a reason that the principled person in that conversation (hint: not the guy who lost the election) wanted nothing to do with the scheme.
What was illegal about influencing elections?
Fine. I should have used the word, interfere.
How was it interference?
When you call the person in charge of elections looking for enough votes to win, that's pretty clear interference.
He wasn't looking FOR votes. They were looking into fraudulent votes. God damn ignorant leftists.
He was absolutely looking for votes. He lost, but wanted to change that after the fact.
But that's not what he said, shillbot.
Yes, it is. Everyone without an agenda could see it. Brad Raffensperger definitely saw it and refused to corrupt the election, even though his guy lost.
I mean even if you hate Trump a lot, you have to know they dont have a case here.
Ive never been a Trump fan. But he has pretty much always spoke in a way that is vague enough to give him plausible deniability. Whether you like him or not, you have to realize you cant make a legal case based on what he said. Same with the impeachment. You can make a moral argument if you disagree, or parse his intentions, but there isnt a legal case there, and democracy wasn't destroyed.
“and democracy wasn’t destroyed”
Is that our standard now?
It seems that our standard now, is we call everything an attack on democracy.
When everything is an attack on democracy....
Not my standard. I reserve "attack on democracy" for describing actual attacks on democracy.
Cite?
It is when a group of lying fucks are claiming democracy was destroyed.
And what's your standard, White Knight?
Here is a comprehensive list:
1) Orange man bad.
End of list.
How about influencing the next election?
'crime against democracy' sounds a lot like a term you might hear repeatedly on NPR or MSNBC.
My very progressive neighbor (tm) uses that exact same wording, a LOT, for all sorts of issues he thinks he has opinions about.
Can someone give me the statute about "crimes against democracy?"
It is an accurate description of acts Trump and some of his followers have engaged in.
We don't have a democracy, we have a republic. Your kind are trying to turn it into a fascist state - government-industry cabal between big Tech, MSM and DNC.
Way to destroy a great nation; F'En Nazi's...
Plaguing the President.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_e6f87d9e-c527-11ed-b3c1-af04f98c3ae5.html
The Hunter Biden investigation reached a new level in recent days after lawmakers announced that millions of dollars were transferred from a Chinese energy company with much of it ending up in the hands of the Biden family and associates.
Now, critics say the Hunter Biden scandal could jeopardize the president’s reelection hopes.
Media accepts your challenge.
(Gets busy feeding standard Russian disinformation trope into ChatGPT)
They should be prosecuting the failing banks for having all those toxic assets.
Screwing over kids to protect the teachers union.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/teachers-union-lobbyists-push-to-end-scholarships-for-low-income-students/
A coalition is lobbying Springfield to end tax-credit scholarships for low-income students, a move to eliminate about the only option for students who don’t thrive in public schools.
Illinois Families for Public Schools is urging lawmakers to end the Invest in Kids Tax Credit Scholarship Program.
Can't let students be brainwashed by the other side. Only public schools staffed with union teachers can properly brainwash them.
Who else is qualified to teach The Science?
"And setting all politics aside, the charges are pretty weak."
Ya think?
There are no weak charges, just unpatriotic prosecutors and traitorous reporters.
Right? The overreach is insane.
Look, Trump-haters. I get it. He's a sleaze. But he's a sleaze who never exposes himself. There will always be an Allen Weisselberg around to take the fall if they get too close.
Give it up. Unless you can harness resources like those used in Mob investigations, you will never get him.
But Trump’s arrest could boost his claims of unfair persecution in a way that Trump supporters find sympathetic, compelling conservative officials to rally around him and delegitimizing future attempts to prosecute Trump for more serious offenses.
Because almost everyone knows (and Ms. Nolan-Brown all but admits in her article) that it would be unfair persecution. In a sane world, that, in and of itself, would be enough to raise libertarian hackles. That’s one of the things I’ve found utterly disappointing about regime libertarians since 2016. You either believe it’s legitimate for the government to organize a campaign to ruin people’s lives or you don’t. For years, Reason was assuring us that we should put aside the question of whether we had any personal sympathy with pornographers, drug dealers or whores when considering the issue of government excess. But, as soon as the target is someone the staffers find “icky”, all that goes out the window. The only problem they can muster is that it might have bad political fallout.
As do all true believers. There is no actual fairness, just varying degrees of faith.
staffers find “icky”
IMO, the most ludicrous part was the nature of the ickiness. It is/was a hilarious inversion of the social morality plot devices where the anti-gay, male-chauvinist's discovers the person who donated an organ to save their life, loaned them the money to save their business, and pulled their family from a burning building was a black lesbian CEO. A pitch-perfect example that the moral busybodies had run out of enemies to fight if not the fundamental ability to cognitively recognize a problem or an enemy.
Trying to keep The Donald in the spotlight.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/19/a-potential-trump-indictment-is-a-sideshow-gift-to-the-biden-family/
If Democrats really wanted Donald Trump to fade away, as they claim, they would stop persecuting him.
Maybe they are so blinded by hatred that they can’t see that every time they use the heavy hand of the law against the former president, they just cement his status as a MAGA martyr.
Or maybe they are so terrified of running against Ron DeSantis in 2024 that they actually want to martyr Trump to ensure he wins the Republican presidential primary ready for a repeat contest with Joe Biden.
Sometimes it's best to leave lawbreaking, amoral, lowdown dirty scoundrels alone. It only boosts their careers.
I'm talking about the Clintons. But it applies to Trump too.
When dealing with the Clinton’s, it’s best to remember you might end up a “mugging victim”.
At least with Trump, you might get a nice paycheck for your trouble. With the Clintons, that money is more likely to be embodied by a $0.50 bullet when you commit suicide by gunshot to the back of the head.
Which law?
Taking classified documents home, bookkeeping fraud, and that's just off the top of my head. Sure other politicians do it, but that doesn't make it ok. No matter how much you cry about it.
OK, then if that's taking classified documents home, even though he was President and could declassify them, then what do you consider the documents found at Biden's homes? Those were classified, and he sure as hell wasn't President at the time.
Oh, ahem, those were “mistakes” and just “overlooked”. Plus, “cooperation “.
And (D).
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He also held onto those classified documents longer than Trump, in more locations than Trump and less securely than Trump.
But hey, who's counting?
Except there's pretty good evidence that the documents were declassified as part of Crossfire Hurricane.
Garland's DoJ has refused to answer whether the "classified" documents were actually declassified or not.
And what bookkeeping fraud? Trump was never charged with bookkeeping fraud.
Well, then let's get him for felony mean tweets.
And if it isn't illegal, we'll fix that right after he's indicted.
"Trump was never charged with bookkeeping fraud."
It was real in their minds!
Are you for or against selective prosecutions?
That sounds about right. Make Trump a martyr so he wins the GOP nomination as the easiest one for the Dem's weak ticket (whomever is on it) to beat. The average guy in the street is only going to hear (as the local NBC affiliate in Philly reported) that Trump is being arrested for "an illegal hush money payoff." All the legal subtleties cited by one side's lawyers or another's will not filter down to most voters. All they will know is that radical far right MAGA GOPers have nominated a crook for president.
It's so funny how some people just repeat the establishment/msm narrative uncritically, as if it's their own thoughts.
Lemmings abound.
Maybe there was a reason behind the Founders design for limited democracy. (And a related reason for progressives' push for universal suffrage.)
The thought-programming ability of modern technology is orders of magnitude beyond anything we ever really conceive of.
It's scary stuff.
Retroactive Reagan Derangement Syndrome.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/19/new-york-times-spins-democratic-conspiracy-theory-as-fact/
An 85-year-old Democrat, Ben Barnes, claims to have personal knowledge of efforts by Ronald Reagan allies to delay the release of US hostages from Iran until after the 1980 election.
The myth that Jimmy Carter lost the 1980 election because Reagan committed a misdeed tantamount to treason is in fact an enduringly popular conspiracy theory among liberals.
I've heard this nonsense before. If Reagan were colluding with Iran, those hostages would've been released on that Wednesday after the election. Instead, they waited until the minute after Carter left office. My guess is that the mullahs hated Carter so much that they would not let him have the hostages back until he was out of office.
If Reagan's 1980 victory was illegitimate, so was 1984 since he was the incumbent. Probably 1988 too since Bush had been Reagan's VP.
So how far back must we go to find a Republican Presidential victory that Democrats agree was legit?
The beginning of time?
Eisenhower, 1956? We already know they despised Nixon in 1968 and 1972.
They are the party of 'Democracy!' and never questioning elections, ever...
Except Reagan...and Bush...and Trump...and Kemp...
im starting to notice a concerning pattern here...
Lincoln 1864, with Southern states not even voting at all.
Ding-ding-ding
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It isn't nonsense. The hostages were released in exchange for weapons shipments to Iran. Read up on Iran Contra.
It's utter bullshit. If there were a deal, those hostages would've been released on Wednesday, November 5, 1980.
Read up on Iran Contra.
Different hostages.
Is it RDS or a continuation of reforming Carter like many of the liberaltarians here?
Must be some kind of right-wing Russian conspiracy when Democrats lose. No way do candidates like Carter or Hillary lose because they people judge them as sucky.
No Republican has been legitimately elected in all of history. Except Lincoln, whom we've retconned into being a Democrat. TEH PARTEEZ SWITCHED!!11!!!1!
Yeah, that was a legitimate "fuck you" to Carter for handling the hostage crisis so incompetently. Although, knowing how the Bushes are, I wouldn't be at all surprised if George used his CIA and State Department connections to cut a backroom deal after the election had actually been called, and the mullahs got a nice Obama-style kickback in exchange.
Pffft, those constraints are for normal cases, this is OrangeManBad we're talking about here. Anything goes, as long as "the walls are closing in" or whatever.
No. Shit.
I'm picturing ENB throwing up in her mouth a little after typing that. Must have been hard to admit.
That's what Zanax is for.
There's a reason the "Free Minds" and "Free Markets" section of the roundup both dealt with abortion in some way and there was a blurb in the "Quick Hits" about de-criminalization of prostitution. Those were her palette cleansers.
And while the NYDA is engaged in mental gymnastics in the hopes of finding SOMETHING, ANYTHING with which to charge Trump,
"House GOP probes China-linked payments to Biden family; provides no evidence tying directly to the President
Erin Burnett Out Front"
[...]
"The House GOP committee investigating Hunter Biden found that he, and other Biden family members, indirectly received $1 million from a Chinese company. No ties to the President were provided, and he has long maintained he had no involvement with his family's business dealings..."
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/03/18/hunter-biden-laptop-house-gop-investigation-pkg-raju-ebof-vpx.cnn
Hey, it's CNN, so they feature the 'plausible deniability' in the headline and then the lede.
Arrested or not, no one's opinion will change of Trump. Convicted of mass murder and sent to the chair, he followers would still believe in him. Anointed as the savior of the human race by God and his haters would still hate him. Nobody changes their mind on anything anymore. And if you have an R or D next to your name, most of your opinions are pre-fed to you and wrapped up in tidy sound bites.
Hey, critical free-thinking is a danger to Democracy! (TM).
Another infantile "thinker".
Nobody changes their mind on anything anymore.
Well, you wouldn't want to be accused of flip-flopping...
I'm lukewarm on Trump versus the other douchebags in power but the facts of this case do not move me in the slightest.
What he allegedly did should not be a crime so I dont give a shit if he did it or not.
I'm actually curious as to which, and how many, of his concubines he DIDN'T have to pay off like he did for Stormy. $130K is a pretty nice sum of money for a washed-up prostitute (and yes, most porn stars are aren't just whores for the camera, they typically work as escorts in LA and Vegas as a side gig) even in 2016, since that's probably 15-20 sex scenes for "name" stars like her.
"...Which means that Trump’s claims of a politics-based persecution could, in this instance, be right..."
Not the other thirty-five or forty times they tried to get him on un-paid parking tickets? Those were all just honest attempts to enforce the law?
Does the mirror shatter when you look into it, you lying pile of shit?
It wasn't a "raid"!!1/11!!!1!!
I don't as a general rule get into Twitter feed stories, but damn! This was an inspiring one to behold for every Libertarian:. Man Versus Mob! 🙂
“15 Cowards Lose to a Man”: Fans React as Anonymous Man Goes ‘Full Mike Tyson’ in Viral Video
Published 03/19/2023, 10:17 AM EDT
By
AGRIM SHARMA
https://www.essentiallysports.com/boxing-news-fifteen-cowards-lose-to-a-man-fans-react-as-anonymous-man-goes-full-mike-tyson-in-viral-video/
While this is fantastic in it's own right, the video would only be half as long had he been armed. One center mass shot to the demented shepherd and this flock of rabid sheep would have all scurried away!
🙂
Cowardly animals.
I hope the hoard of vermin all kill themselves out of shame after this. I don't think the man fighting them off got a single bad comment in the Twitter replies and even got several marriage proposals from women! Hell, if he was Pan too, I would consider making one! 🙂
Remember when Trump was a grade-B huckster, and when he tried to tell us he was the most important person on earth we ignored him?
He is nothing, but he is everything.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1637830357817933830?t=InVRKR3CnmjUWoHQXG0nag&s=19
The team constantly crying about the looming danger of fascism regularly and gleefully reminds you that the government could murder all their political opponents in the blink of an eye
None of this disrupts the progressive narrative on power or oppression for a second
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Also, stupid. It almost certainly wouldn't work the way he suggests.
O my god, a comedian told a joke I didn't like, best take my outrage to Twitter to complain.
- signed every dumbass on Twiiter.
I saw that bit. I thought he did a pretty good job of selling his side as the antagonists in pretty much every one of "The Purge" movies without even realizing it.
And, to be fair, they should show the last ~5 min. of the special where he makes R. Budd Dwyer's final public appearance seem, concise, entertaining, and uplifiting.
That jug-eared, pencil-necked faggot in the video can talk like that because he thinks the war wouldn't ever come to his home. I'm not sure he really understands how a civil war actually works.
>> As Reason's Jacob Sullum points out, "there is nothing inherently illegal about that payment."
if Sullum can't besmirch his mortal enemy, who can?
Tad sensitive to anyone criticizing Donald Trump?
we'll always have the one afternoon you understood me.
It’s ridiculous for you to accuse Sullum of having some special vendetta against Trump. It says more about you and your partisan sensitivities than it says about Sullum.
Yeah, two hundred plus articles in three months by one man, solely about Trump's election fraud claims, are just an obsession, not a vendetta. Right?
"1119 results found for: Sullum Trump" ... still not the why of my comment though.
Nuclear secret articles, impeachment ones, j6 ones....
What about the crime of just being Trump?
Eventually they'll just pass a law that having orange skin is a federal crime punishable by death.
As a bonus, half the residents of New Jersey would also be prosecuted under the statute.
certainly SDNY is on the case now.
Boy, check out Sullum’s article today. He really goes after Trum — err, wait, I’m so confused, he seems to be saying the case against Trump is weak…
Does one good act cancel put 1000 bad ones?
yes! understanding the basis is a good start. key, even.
https://twitter.com/robkhenderson/status/1637513378464661507?t=7rSLIAHmesasiIyjPwQfGQ&s=19
56% of liberal white women aged 18-29 have been diagnosed with a mental health condition.
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I'm shocked it's that low.
"56% of liberal white women aged 18-29"
Not 100%?
There's a pretty good chance that a chunk of them are afraid to be diagnosed and avoided the doctor.
I don't know--there's a lot of clout in having some sort of perceived social handicap these days. Look how many of them proudly declare their various mental illnesses and munchie afflictions on social media.
The other notable thing here is how utterly coddled the Zoomers have been during their lifetimes, to the point that they can't even cope with basic adult reality. No wonder so many of them vote Democratic.
Why should they have to work hard and take on the personal responsibility?
Their parents have coddled them their whole lives, and now its time for the govt to step up and make sure their student loans, UBI, and retirement, and healthcare are arranged for them.
what is the criteria to make the jump from regular p0rn actress to "star"?
HBO special?
"HBO's Women of the Night" surprisingly funny
Top billing and industry/peer awards. Do you not know how
HollywoodLos AngelesCaliforniaLeftism(fuck it) stuff works?It’s not what you know, it’s who you know and how you know them.
https://twitter.com/wil_da_beast630/status/1637814069699702787?t=1TKqwRHB7zFNui1kMm0kbw&s=19
It took one week for us to get a post-Dilbert case study of: "What would happen if someone said something exactly equally wild, but in reverse?"
Nothing, btw.
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https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1637786848331177984?t=J70AHEQ6EIoMsKj1k4yQOA&s=19
Robin DiAngelo sounding like an old-line segregationist: "People of color need to get away from white people and have some community with each other."
[Video]
Does Liberia still have open borders?
She is a weapons grade moron. Her shit is unreadable. Anyone who takes her seriously is also an idiot. I have spoken.
Black people barely interact with white people as it is, save for the occasional black male athlete that ends up dating and marrying a white girl, or the creative class relationships who do it because they think being a mixed-race couple is avant-garde. They already self-segregate to nearly insane degrees, and even in deep blue cities, they continue living in balkanized neighborhoods anywhere that the Hispanic cartels haven't chased them out.
Funny how she and Scott Adams share the exact same sentiment.
The worst part about DiAngelo is that she's managed to craft an entire cottage industry around her incredibly toxic neurosis of being born with white skin and constantly self-flagellating over it. I sincerely wish she'd just kill herself already instead of demanding that other white people be as neurotic about it as her.
An indictment in NY would certainly help Trump in the short run and it might get him the nomination. I suspect that he is pushing for the indictment and see it as a plus for the nomination.
It will not get him the Presidency. He has a record of failure, and he is doing nothing to reverse that record. His campaign is one of grievance and not a plan for the future. His 2020 grievance campaign failed and there is no reason to suspect it will do better in 2024. So, he will gain little from indictment in the long run. A conviction in NY would also show a legal weakness that could result in loses in future cases, both criminal and legal.
I would also suggest we do not know how strong the NY case really is against Trump. All the talk of a weak case is comment on the seriousness of the case. Generally, Americans let personal failures like affair and payoff resulting from affairs slide. It may be that Bragg has a good case against Trump for a crime that is not taken seriously. A conviction here would show vulnerability, especially for a number of up coming civil cases against Trump where personal behavior is at the heart of the case.
So good short term bad long term.
Someone watched Morning Joe to get his new narrative this morning.
""A conviction here would show vulnerability, especially for a number of up coming civil cases against Trump where personal behavior is at the heart of the case.""
What would a not guilty verdict or a hung jury signal?
A not guilty or hung jury would confirm that people don't much want to prosecute people for personal issues. Just like John Edwards' and Bill Clinton's cases.
It was "a simple private transaction," said Trump, seeming to believe this made everything legal.
Which of course should be the case. For this and all other private transactions made by anyone. Just to be clear.
hope this helps.
What is absolutely hilarious about this is it has already been investigated by the FEC. The FEC found no wrong doing with the Trump campaign, but fined both the Hildog campaign and the DNC for what now they are accussing Trump of. The fine was due to payments tied to the Steele Dossier.
Does this mean dems finnally agree Hillary should be locked up?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html
Maybe the FEC staff wasn't sufficiently afflicted with TDS.
It is true the matter of the hush money was investigated, and Attorney Michael Cohen was convicted as a result. It is also true that that an indictment listed an individual 1 who direct Cohen and that person was believed to be the then President. It is reasonable to ask why this perused now and not immediately after the former President left office.
My own thought is the loss in civil court on the Trump company business practices showed an area of legal vulnerability. The possible indictment seems to hinge on the business end of the payoff.
""It is true the matter of the hush money was investigated, and Attorney Michael Cohen was convicted as a result.""
He was never convicted. He never faced a jury. He plead guilty to something that might not have even been a crime to save his own ass.
For example, I have not seen any proof that money came from Trump's campaign only a shyster lawyer's claim. I don't think Trump sorted the money that way. But if Trump told Cohen to handle it and Cohen took it from campaign money, then that would be Cohen's action not Trump. How would you prove Trump told him specifically to take it from campaign funds?
This may be one of the shittiest he said, he said cases ever. Unless there was a victim, I don't think most prosecutors would touch it with a 10 foot pole.
The fact that the money did not come from the campaign is the issue. Had the hush money come from the campaign it would have been legal. What happened is that it was paid from the candidate himself and thus an unrecorded in-kind contribution. The fact that he tried to use Michael Cohen to hide the payment compounded the problem.
As for a prosecutor not taking the case, they take them all the time. What usually happens is a plea deal with the campaign fined, and everyone leaves happy. This is only really a case because Trump decided to fight the case.
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John Edwards was charged for using campaign money. Now you say the issue is Trump did not. So which way is legal?
Pleading guilty does result in a conviction. Michael Cohen might have fought the case, but I think he was getting no support from Trump and so was effectively thrown under the bus.
Pleading guilty does result in a conviction.
Uh, that's pretty much the exact order of events, you moron.
Meanwhile, the mystics in IPCC tower have released another papal decree warning us that unless we repent (i.e. foreswear all mechanized devices and embrace global serfdom) we will soon die in another apocalypse of fire and flood, and probably sharknadoes.
Well, it's not like the mystical oracles of the IPCC have ever been wrong about any of their past predictions.
>>Wyoming bans abortion pills.
"Wyoming was first state in nation to let chicks vote. Rest on that laurel." ~~Gov. Mark Gordon
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Doesn’t seem terribly relevant.
That should read "the first of many to come".
Cultural conservatives love coercing people. They can't help themselves because people just won't stop rejecting their views. What else are they supposed to do?
There is an obvious difference in the way Bragg treats low level felonies and the way he's treating Trump.
The perp walk is racist and should be abolished I've heard. By the same people who think Trump should be forced to do a perp walk.
All rules are suspended when dealing with the OrangeManBad.
This is the only rule of political Calvinball.
Or...if it's a thing then it should be adhered to no matter who it is.
I've heard all along that conservatives think the tax code is bad but you can't blame a rich person for using it however they can. So which is it?
It’s both, you retard.
I've been dreaming of sending Trump to jail for 8 years, and my wish is finally coming true!
Get used to disappointment, Cletus. The only place Trump is headed is back to the White House for the second term you cheated him out of. That will be followed by 8 years of President DeSantis.
Still not decided: sarc or steaming pile of lefty shit stupidity?
How about- who gives a FUCK?
He should be charged for the crimes he's accused of, full stop. Don't give a fuck how it impacts his political career one bit.
The only people in legal peril from these charges are the corrupt DA and those who willingly participate in this charade. Please, charge him!
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I don’t follow your comment. At worst, the New York DA will lose case and not be re-elected or re-appointed.
What legal risk are they exposing themselves to?
Finally Mike supports QI.
"What legal risk are they exposing themselves to?"
Off the top of my head, charges could include abuse of power; violating President Trump's Constitutional rights (good for 10 years per charge); criminal conspiracy; harassment, etc. The list is doubtless very long.
I am also uncomfortable with the idea that being a candidate renders you immune to criminal charges. If this were really acceptable many lawyers would advise their clients to run for public office.
Alvin Bragg is a smart and sexy man. A tireless worker for the people. If anyone can bring Trump down, he can.
I knew back in 2016 that Trump falsified business records. It's high time justice was served.
Still not decided: sarc or steaming pile of lefty shit stupidity?
sarc
Dear Democrats,
Since Trump can't possibly win, your best strategy is to get out and vote for him in the primary. Do it!
Democrats will not really need to do anything if the other Republicans running for the nomination don't grow a spine and take Trump on directly. Most of the Republican hopefuls are counting on the Democrats to take Trump out for them. Republican hypocrisy was front and center this weekend. Do any of them think that Trump would come to their aid if they were indicted? I certainly doubt he would say a work in their defense.
Should Trump be indicted, he would be arrested only if he refused to surrender. Trump’s lawyers have previously said he would follow normal procedure, meaning he would likely agree to surrender at a New York Police Department precinct or directly to Bragg’s office.
https://worldabcnews.com/trump-says-he-expects-to-be-arrested-on-tuesday-calls-for-protests/
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Dear Democrats,
Please arrest Trump. That will be certain to stop him this time.
Your friends,
Everyone not a Democrat.
“ We just know he did something !”
This round up is especially hard on sarc as he seemed gleeful with multiple posts on the arrest Saturday. Now that not even ENB is on board, he may have to question his own beliefs.
Guess.
"From [any] perspective it’s an assault on liberty and justice."
As I said before, the only thing that might make me gleeful is the thought of your ilk crying like little girls when he gets the shiny bracelets. “Poor Trump! It’s all a conspiracy! The news is against him! Social media is against him! The FBI is against him! Now he’s being arrested! It’s not faaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiir1!!1!! Waaaaaaah!!!1!!”
🙂
Delicious schadenfreude.
"...Now that not even ENB is on board, he may have to question his own beliefs..."
That requires a certain amount of honesty and intelligence, neither of which are evident in that lying pile of lefty shit.
"...should be prosecuted for that very serious crime against democracy."
Latest gaslighting term: "Crime(s) against democracy"
Saw this term a couple days ago on IG. It is making the rounds and it only applies to the GOP. Go figure.
This from the guy who intentionally burns steaks,
And there is the TDS for everyone to see. Sarc doesn't care about political prosecutions he supports. Target a man, make up crimes, just arrest him. Oddly enough if you dont agree in jailing Trump for being trump, you're a cultist in his eyes.
Bookmarked.
The only true democracy is when a single party wins every election.
So, you are just fine with the President of the United States, running for re-election, calling up state election officials and pressuring them to alter election results.
That was a fun night.
What about Trump Tower?
Except I never said anything about supporting anything. I just want to see you cry like a little girl.
Their behavior and comments during McCarthy's bid was pretty informative. Lots of political pundits and MSM talking heads making fun of the R's, and comparing it to how the transition from Pelosi to Jeffries went.
It never dawned on them (as they have little insight into their condition) that they were poo-pooing an actual messy democratic process (as it should be) in favor of what is essentially a gerontocracy / nobility determining the order of succession as well as timing.
Also why they really cant get over Hillary's loss. "IT WAS HER TURN!!!" is absolutely what they believe and the only thing they can rationalize is her reign was stolen by Russia
Duh. Every religion is the one true faith.
And the U.S. isn't a democracy anyway. Democracies are bad.
That didn't happen lying sea lion. They entire call was about finding fraudulent votes. Like the 5000 ga already found prior.
Harrison Deal could not be reached for comment.
Cite?
ENB is an evil totalitarian bitch, like the rest of Reason's staff
But just in this instance. Definitely not any time in the past.
It only took three paragraphs!
ENB is between a rock and a hard place with this one. Attacking Trump here would be an attack on sex work, and we all know ENB loves her some sex work.
You really are retarded aren't you? You just said you want to see shiny bracelets on trump so your perceived enemies will be outraged. You yourself seemingly not outraged over a political prosecution.
Do you understand what you write? It is clear and forward above. Your belief isn't one of blind and fair justice. It is how it can effect your perceived enemies, ie political prosecutions.
You are openly supporting false charges. Youre broken.
Um, no. Retard. Not being outraged is not the same as supporting.
You're just like one of those leftists with a "If You're Not Outraged You're Not Paying Attention" bumper stickers.
the only thing that might make me gleeful
Gleeful. Your words. Opposite of outraged.
Yes. Gleeful at the thought of you sobbing and crying like a little girl over your political messiah being taken away in handcuffs. Not gleeful about the charges. I could care less about that.
Not being outraged is not the same as supporting.
It absolutely is when the thing is outrageous. There were a lot of Germans who weren't outraged that Jews were being herded onto trains, and perhaps quietly felt glee that it was causing misery in that one Jew they hated, while pretending they weren't supporting it.
Gleeful at the thought of you sobbing and crying like a little girl over your political messiah being taken away in handcuffs
Oh, okay. You’re not gleeful at the thing happening, you’re just gleeful at the EFFECTS of the thing happening. That’s a very important distinction that is totally different from being in favor of the thing.
This is just fucking evil. It's worse than the people who are utterly convinced Trump broke a serious law and want to see him punished, it's not caring that he may be punished even if he didn't break any laws.
You're comparing Trump's potential arrest to the systematic extermination of millions of people?
Dude, you have an unthinking mind.
Forgive me for pointing out the weakness of your argument by applying a scenario that casts it unfavorably. If you don’t care that an injustice is happening, that is tacit support for the injustice happening.
I don’t care about the consequences for Donald Trump-he is wealthy and powerful and will make bail. I’m outraged at the consequences of using the criminal justice system to target a person for political reasons and the willingness of people in power to use it this way. THAT is the outrage here, it’s not worth shedding tears that Trump has to spend some of his millions on great lawyers who will expose this sham for what it is, but you should be outraged that he’s forced to do that. Someone who isn’t a billionaire could just as easily be targeted by this process. And I would argue many already have.
So you again admit you'd be gleeful over a political prosecution if it hurts your perceived enemies. So libertarian of you. Or did I misinterpret your clear statement again?
So this is talking about fraudulent votes:
"Oh, I don’t know, look Brad. I got to get … I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot."
Or this:
"So what are we going to do here folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break."
"Like the 5000 ga already found prior."
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!
That's about half of the total illegal votes found in the entire US. Illegal, not fraudulent. Which are mostly people unknowingly voting when they weren't eligible, like most of the cases in FL.
Actual fraudulent votes are usually around 20% of illegal votes. Florida seems to be doing better than that since the only actual fraudulent voting they have discovered were from the Villages and were for Trump. Of course that assumes they aren't ignoring registered Rs in their investigation.
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and I have them times a lot
Seems like it, yeah....
At the time his lawyers had found roughly 30k possibly fraudulent votes. That is literally what was being discussed. What is your issue? It seems to be election integrity.
Yes, they had already 'found' 6800 votes in Trump's favor. He was asking to review again. So taken out of context like so many of Trumps other statements.
All the "elites". Meanwhile those deplorable swabbies who do all the manual labor are always plotting some seditious Russian coup.
Is this "Talk Like A Pirate Day"?
🙂
I try to be friendly to all.
"At the time his lawyers had found roughly 30k possibly fraudulent votes."
No, they didn't. Election officials with much, much, much more data and information didn't find a fraction of that number. Why don't you tell is about suitcases full of votes under the table and trucks full of votes being driven to Pennsylvania. You make 2000 Mules look reasonable.
This is Trumps legal claims against Ga.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/01/fact-check-georgia-audit-hasnt-found-30-000-fake-ballots/5253184001/
They identified numerous voters voting in wrong districts, a violation of state election laws. Ga declined to prosecute.
You can stop lying now dumbass.
Double voting isn't fraudulent?
I mean there are over a dozen court cases that have ruled on illegal election changes, making those all fraudulent ballots. Way more than 5k.
You aren't that intelligent are you Nelson.
He can’t cawmprehend it all.
"They identified numerous voters voting in wrong districts, a violation of state election laws. Ga declined to prosecute."
Let's assume you are right and every one of those legal voters who cast their valid votes, but did it in the wrong place, should have been rejected.
Are you admitting Trump didn't get more votes from Georgia voters than Biden?
In reading the link, I noticed that it was a wholesale rejection of your claim. The icing on the cake was that the claim of 30,000 fraudulent votes was made before the audit was even done.
For future reference, if you are trying to put forth an argument, don't link to something that completely rejects it.
"Double voting isn’t fraudulent?"
Double voting is fraudulent. That's why the Trump supporters in The Villages have been actively prosecuted by Ron DeSantis' election cops ... oh, wait. They let those guys off but are going after people who thought they were allowed to vote, but weren't?
"illegal election changes"
So legal voters who cast their legal votes in the way that was legal at the time they voted should have their votes discounted because they weren't psychic? Why should we assume that if the rules were different at the time they voted that they wouldn't have followed them?
More legal voters cast their votes for Biden than Trump. That's why he won.