Is the Manhattan D.A. Upholding or Flouting the Rule of Law by Prosecuting Trump?
The case hinges on the claim that the former president tried to cover up a campaign finance violation with which he was never charged.

The expected criminal charges against former President Donald Trump in New York reportedly hinge on a violation of federal election law with which Trump was never charged. That fact in itself suggests how dubious the case against Trump is: To convert a state misdemeanor involving falsification of business records into a felony, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, a Democrat, is relying on the theory that Trump was trying to cover up another crime. But federal prosecutors apparently did not think the evidence of that second crime was strong enough to charge Trump.
The New York case is based on a 2016 hush payment to porn star Stormy Daniels, who claims she had a sexual affair with Trump in 2006, when he was married to his current wife, former First Lady Melania Trump. Although Trump denies the affair, his lawyer at the time, Michael Cohen, paid Daniels $130,000 to keep the story out of the press. While that payment was not inherently criminal, federal prosecutors viewed it as an illegal campaign contribution because, they said, its "principal purpose" was "influencing [the] election," as opposed to avoiding personal embarrassment for Trump or sparing his wife's feelings.
Cohen accepted that characterization in 2018, when he pleaded guilty to violating federal limits on campaign contributions. Based on that view of the transaction, Trump, who reimbursed Cohen for the money he paid to Daniels, could have been charged with soliciting or accepting an illegal campaign contribution. But in the five years since Cohen's guilty plea, the Justice Department has conspicuously declined to charge Trump. In 2021, an evenly divided Federal Election Commission (FEC) declined to pursue charges against Trump, his business, or his campaign.
A criminal case would have required proving that Trump "knowingly and willfully" violated federal election law. But it is not clear that Trump had the requisite intent, because he seemed confused about what federal election law requires.
Such confusion would be understandable. "The best interpretation of the law is that it simply is not a campaign expense to pay blackmail for things that happened years before one's candidacy—and thus nothing Cohen (or, in this case, Trump, too) did is a campaign finance crime," former FEC Chairman Bradley Smith wrote in a 2018 Reason essay. "But at a minimum, it is unclear whether paying blackmail to a mistress is 'for the purpose of influencing an election,' and so must be paid with campaign funds, or a 'personal use,' and so prohibited from being paid with campaign funds."
The New York case against Trump is based on a state law that makes it a misdemeanor to falsify business records "with intent to defraud." Trump did that, Bragg thinks, when his business falsely identified Cohen's reimbursement as payment for legal services. The misdemeanor becomes a Class E felony, punishable by up to four years in prison, when the defendant's "intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof." But if Trump did not think the payment to Daniels violated federal election law—and if it is in fact unclear that it did, as Smith argues—it is hard to see how he could have intended to "conceal" that alleged crime.
Nor is it clear that the uncharged and unproven federal violation counts as "another crime" under New York's statute. Last November, The New York Times reported that prosecutors working for Bragg's predecessor, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., "concluded that the most promising option for an underlying crime was the federal campaign finance violation to which Mr. Cohen had pleaded guilty." But "the prosecutors ultimately concluded that approach was too risky—a judge might find that falsifying business records could only be a felony if it aided or concealed a New York state crime, not a federal one." While "the prosecutors briefly mulled using a state election law violation," the Times said, they rejected that idea: "Since the presidential race during which the hush-money payment occurred was a federal election, they concluded it was outside the bounds of state law."
Bragg evidently decided otherwise. But that conclusion is so legally iffy that it reinforces Trump's reflexive complaint that he is, as always, a victim of a long-running Democratic "witch hunt."
Although the essence of Bragg's case against Trump is shaky, his prosecutors seem to have found a way around another potential obstacle: New York's statute of limitations, which ordinarily requires that misdemeanors be prosecuted within two years and that Class E felonies be prosecuted within five years. If the falsification of business records happened in 2017, as the sentencing memorandum in Cohen's federal case indicates, it has been six years since that alleged crime was committed. But as Times reporter Charlie Savage notes, the statute of limitations includes an exception for "any period following the commission of the offense during which…the defendant was continuously outside this state."
Trump lived largely in Washington, D.C., during his presidency, and in 2019 he switched his official state of residence to Florida. In determining whether the prosecution can proceed, a 1999 ruling by the New York Court of Appeals indicates, the time that Trump spent in D.C. and Florida should be subtracted from the time that has elapsed since the Trump Organization misrepresented Cohen's reimbursement.
Still, why pursue a case based on debatable facts and an untested legal theory that looks like a politically motivated attempt to "get" Trump? "The evidence that Trump broke the law seems substantial," say Times reporters David Leonhardt and Ian Prasad Philbrick. "The hush money and the cover-up of it, in the final weeks of a close presidential race, seem to have been a brazen violation of campaign finance rules. To overlook the violation could encourage future candidates to ignore the law, too." But if the payment was "a brazen violation of campaign finance rules," why did the Justice Department decline to prosecute Trump for arranging it?
The other argument that Leonhardt and Philbrick summarize gives the game away. Trump "has repeatedly shown disdain for laws and traditions that predecessors from both parties followed," they write. "He told thousands of lies while in office; refused to participate in a peaceful transfer of power; used the power of the presidency to benefit his company; pressured a foreign leader to smear a political rival; and much more. At a certain point, the rule of law becomes meaningless if anybody can repeatedly ignore it."
Trump, in other words, is an awful person who has done awful things, and this prosecution, no matter how weak its basis, is an opportunity to deliver his well-deserved comeuppance. But Bragg's case against Trump requires proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the former president committed a specific crime under New York law. Prosecuting him for other reasons is the antithesis of "the rule of law."
New York Times columnist David French, no fan of Trump, argues that "the rule of lenity," which says ambiguous criminal statutes should be read in a defendant's favor, counsels against prosecuting Trump for falsifying business records in an attempt to cover up another crime he may or may not have committed. "As a matter of justice, should our nation be prosecuting citizens criminally under novel legal theories?" French asks. "The law should give fair notice of its scope, and it should be clear enough to permit us to conform our conduct to the relevant legal standards. Expanding the reach of laws beyond their plain text violates this principle and undermines trust in law enforcement."
The Manhattan District Attorney's Office has been debating for years whether these charges are legally justified. Prosecutors initially decided they were not, and now they have changed their minds. It is hard to escape the conclusion that the desire to punish Trump overrode the considerations that French highlights. This case undermines the rule of law in the name of upholding it.
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Poor sarc.
Boy, Sullum really has it in for Trump!
Poor Mike.
He learned it from watching sarc! Who learned it from watching White Mike! Who learned it from Jeff!
Their only goal is to shit throw, never criticize the actual political prosecution. Defend the democrats.
I would like to put those creatures in a locked room together. With a hunting knife in the middle of the room, and instructions that explain the doors won’t u locks til only one of the, remains alive.
It would be interesting to see what happens.
Do any of you people actually read the articles, or do you just save time by skipping straight to pulling complaints out of your ass?
Hey Mike. Why aren’t you telling how people could find the accusations on leftist sites so it isnt influence or censorship? Like you do with the laptop?
You asked for a bunch of grey turds and you got 'em. Like moths to a flame.
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If you think this is a defense of Trump, I have a bridge to sell you. "Looks politically motovated".
LOL.
He said going in that he was going to "get Trump, his family and everyone around him."
They did not have any alleged crime. Not even a parking violation.
If you leave that out and merely pretend that this is all well intentioned use of prosecutorial discretion that just is a bit too eager, you are hiding the truth.
This is part of an extended pattern of the intentional destruction of the rule of law.
Remember, these are the exact same people who declined to prosecute any number of well documented crimes by important figures in their own party.... yet repeatedly pursue political enemies with invented charges.
If you wonder why there is such a divide, that is why.
It is part and parcel with pretending that the massive censorship scheme being run out of the FBI and CIA doesn't exist.
You cannot maintain a republic under these conditions.
Just as you cannot maintain confidence in the state if racist police and prosecutors corrupt the system, you cannot maintain a state that is bent to serve the party instead of the people.
It is why 2 lawyers can get less time for foreboding a cop car during BLM riots as compared to non violent J6 protestors.
It is unequal application of the law to target people politically. Another example is cities excusing covid lockdown regulations if you were protesting for and only for BLM.
The fact that it is not condemning him means that the article does not exist.
Anyone wish to speculate as to the timing of this circus?
Speculation not required.
I think the loss of the civil case against the Trump copy showed vulnerability with regard to the Trump's business practices. This case relates to those business practices and likely affected the timing.
While that payment was not inherently criminal, federal prosecutors viewed it as an illegal campaign contribution because, they said, its "principal purpose" was "influencing [the] election,"
So pretty much every NYT article in the last 8 years?
Ignore the laptop story. That doesn't count.
Half a billion Zuckerbucks, not intended to influence election...
Criminal charges for campaign finance violations only happen to Republicans.
Jon Edwards approves that statement.
I don't remember the NYT running for president. How did its presidential campaign fare?
I have a suspicion that there's quite a bit your selective memory 'loses'.
Check out Obama & Clinton campaign finance violations...including the how Clinton paid for the Steele Dossier.
Both were fined be the FEC. No criminal charges brought.
If these charges aren't tied to the tax evasion case that Fatass Donnie's consigliere is sitting in Rikers for then it won't go anywhere.
"Tax evasion"
How so, Pluggo? Why don't you expand on Weisselberg's charges and explain how what he did was illegal.
Hunter has no tax evasion. Ask him.
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What about paternity evasion?
Remember, turd lies. It's what turd does. It's all turd does. turd lies.
Both NY and the IRS handle thousands of cases like Weisselberg's each year. In very nearly all of them, the consequence is to pay back taxes, interest, and a 20% penalty, even when the intentionality is glaringly obvious. In a small fraction of the cases, the government seeks civil fraud penalties, which would be an additional 75% of what was due.
This is literally the only case I'm aware of in which criminal charges were pursued for unreported fringe benefits.
But no, it's Trump's supporters who are delusional for decrying the obvious political angle to this.
Expanding the reach of laws beyond their plain text violates this principle and undermines trust in law enforcement."
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I once had an emanation come out of my penumbra.
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No, just burn, loot and murder in the major cities.
Just wear the magic (D) and you can burn and loot all you want.
Taking the Cross absolved the crusader from any prosecutions or political fallout. King John took the Cross to help wriggle out from under the Magna Carta and his own excommunication.
Just like every democrat DA everywhere - whatever it takes to distract from the big guy.
To make this case even shakier - The prosecutor is asserting that "the statute of limitations includes an exception for 'any period following the commission of the offense during which…the defendant was continuously outside this state.'" Trump has not been "continuously outside" New York. He did not maintain NY as his legal residence but he was in the state quite regularly. While in office, he made official and unofficial visits and he has been there many times since. A quick google search returns dozens of articles about his travels. Even with that tolling exception, I don't see any way to plausibly argue that this meets the statute of limitations.
Having said that, the prosecutor is correct that there is a precedent that the "tolling" need not be "continuous" even though that's exactly what the plain wording of the law requires. It's a stupid decision. And that's even before you consider that the tolling "exception" violates all the reasons that statutes of limitations are established in the first place. Memories fade, witnesses die, exonerating evidence becomes ever harder to collect, etc. Trump or no Trump, that tolling exception needs to die.
There's zero legitimate legal basis for any of this.
It's simply war on the American people using Trump as avatar.
You mean it's war on 20% or less of the American people. The sane 80% of us want Trump to pay for his crimes.
How do you feel about the Clintons?
He once paid $150k for the opportunity to serve as Hillary's bidet, why do you ask?
Yea, that high inflation, ridiculous increase in energy costs due to "green" policies, and risk of war is totes just hitting 20% of Americans.
You've escaped justice far too long.
Please keep pushing.
"You mean it’s war on 20% or less of the American people. The sane 80% of us want Trump to pay for his crimes."
Why is it lefty shits lie so transparently?
Eat shit and die, Ed.
Oh look. A fucktard.
‘His crimes’? Such as?
What crimes you blithering moron?
Well there's all the war crimes in the undeclared forever wars, which I'd be totally fine with charges being brought -- as long as they bring down Biden, Obama, Bush Jr, and Clinton along WITH Trump.
This is naked partisanship and an example of "gotcha" laws where the government makes it impossible to follow the law and then blames you (Is covering up an affair a campaign expense or a personal one? You could argue either or BOTH, so no matter what Trump did, it's a "gotcha.")
The appropriate response is to arrest all of the corporate media outlet executives and "journalists" (actually propagandists) for illegal in-kind campaign contributions. But somehow they get an exception no matter how ridiculously biased they are.
Reason hates Trump and hates Republicans because they're all leftist Democrats. They have no principles and only care about leftists winning.
For this article to exist the narrative must be wrong. But it's not. It can't be. People have too much invested in their contempt for everything Reason.
That means that this article cannot exist. If it did then the narrative would be a big lie. That's just not possible because the people pushing it have never been wrong in their entire lives.
So this article is just the figment of someone's imagination.
I'm tired of hearing about Trump.
I want to know more about the GOP ban on tranny-dancing. Trannies should organize a Dance on Washington Day this spring. Maybe extend it to state capitols like Tallahassee. Reason could cover it with 'on the scene' reporting. Just a big tranny conga line would piss off the Bible-Beaters.
If you don’t hate trannies then you hate America. Why do you hate America?
And the children too. If you don't want to ban icky performances then you hate the children. Why do you hate the children?
Trannies have replaced Al Qaeda as public enemy #1.
Instead of suicide vests they have pronouns.
You two done tugging on each other?
No. There's still tomorrow, and the next day...
Sarc, you’re pals with the child molester. If this isn’t true, the you need to come right out and say “No. I hate Shrike. He’s a child molester.”.
If not, then you’re his pal.
Nobody is 'banning icky performances.' They are prohibiting sexualized performances from being performed in front of children, because subjecting children to that kind of thing PERFORMED BY ANYONE is literally a form of child abuse (even your state's likely incompetent Child Protective Services would *probably* agree that jiggly half-naked people are inappropriate for children, regardless of gender/sexual orientation).
Strip clubs are 21+ (plus a few 18+ with no booze). If that's OK then the drag shows with all their pelvic thrusts and whatnot can be 18+/21+ as well.
Just like no one is actually BANNING books (except the left-wing publishers, anyway). They're just saying when it comes to sensitive, sometimes even borderline-pornographic material, the parents get to decide whether their kid sees it or not, rather than some government flunky.
“I’m tired of hearing about Trump.”
You are the number one user on this entire website that brings up Trump unsolicited. You are uncontested in that. If you don't want to hear about him so much, don't bring him up all the time.
And you're a poopyhead who gets mad when people talk about Trump!
Trump da dump dump duuuump!
Broken. This morning really broke him again. Lol.
Sarc is pro political prosecutions.
I don't get mad at people for talking about Trump. If anything, I get annoyed when people complain about something they are the most responsible for.
You know, like trolling in the comments after complaining about all of the trolls in the comments.
Who trolls the trolls?
It is mostly you pretending to be a victim when it is more you being a shit throwing, dem defending moron.
Hey, tween girls gotta melodrama.
Sarcasmic has finally found his one in five thousand article. One that says Trump's merely an asshole instead of Satan.
Watch the little retard post a link to it every day for the next ten years.
"...One that says Trump’s merely an asshole instead of Satan..."
Could be an asshole, don't care; not looking for a daddy-figure. Just someone who'll leave me the hell alone, which he did.
He was the best POTUS the US had for a century.
Sarc has also found his soulmate, Shrike.
Just pathetic. Lol.
Your inability to ever criticize the left continues to be noted.
Passed over with barely a glance is that there are thousands of Federal laws and regulations on the books that are almost unenforceable in their vagueness and broadness. At least the thousands of additional state and local laws and regulations that are unconstitutionally broad and vague require intent to break the law, which most Federal laws do not. And yet hundreds of people are convicted or plea-bargained under those laws every year out of fear. A person's only protection is to not be noticed by prosecutors for any reason.
Three Felonies a Day by Silverglate & Dershowitz.
Betcha one is "Being Donald Trump".
Nah, they'd have managed a conviction by now if it were. Which they haven't, and won't.
If the charges are dismissed or result in an acquittal, Trump will be helped in his attempt at being reelected President. Alvin Bragg is trying to destroy Trump, but might end up giving him a de facto campaign contribution.
I don't think they/them are even trying to destroy Trump. They're trying to embarrass him maybe a little bit to make themselves feel validated and strike a blow in the culture wars that they must certainly suspect under all that righteous indignation will not touch, cannot touch Trump and might even help him.
The process is the punishment. Constant legal harrassment of Trump, his lawyers and his accountants is the goal. Not a means to an end.
They're sending the message that if you challenge the machine we won't just ruin you, we'll ruin anyone who even associates with you.
Bragg campaigned on doing exactly that and received a half million dollars from George Soros to do so.
"Color Of Change PAC, the political action committee of the nation's largest online racial justice group, received $1 million in May from billionaire philanthropist George Soros to support Bragg's progressive candidacy for district attorney, one of the biggest and most important races in the country."
They’re sending the message that if you challenge the machine we won’t just ruin you, we’ll ruin anyone who even associates with you.
That much was obvious when they let Kevin Clinesmith walk for forging a CIA document to say the exact opposite of what it actually said so that they could get a FISA warrant on Carter Page. Hell, the guy is even back to practicing law. Oh, and they won't even let Page sue. It's a damned joke. You'd think the government forging documents to implicate a guy who was actually serving the country (if working with the CIA can be called that) would ring a couple of libertarian alarm bells. But, it barely rates a raised eyebrow.
When the Brothers Gracci roused the mobs with their populist rhetoric, the elites made sure to utterly destroy them, too. One was beaten to death on the senate floor. The other was chased around Rome, and eventually decapitated and his head filled with lead.
A few decades later, one Julius Cesar understood that if you are going to upset the apple cart, you have to play for keeps- he brought an army with him.
Someone is paying attention to how Trump is being treated. When they make their move, it will be to destroy the republic because the elites have ensured that nothing less will work.
A few decades later, one Julius Cesar understood that if you are going to upset the apple cart, you have to play for keeps- he brought an army with him.
Then the elites found a way to get rid of him too. Except that when they did, they signed the death warrants for themselves and what was left of the republic.
The republic is already destroyed, much like when Caesar rose up.
Then the piece of shit senators assassinated him as reward for his mercy.
Antony and Octavian learned from that and ruthlessly culled the senatorial class.
No justice, no peace.
We can either have a democrat party, or we can have freedom.
The process is the punishment. Constant legal harrassment of Trump, his lawyers and his accountants is the goal. Not a means to an end.
They’re sending the message that if you challenge the machine we won’t just ruin you, we’ll ruin anyone who even associates with you.
Yep, they’re not really after Trump at this point, they’re after anyone who might be foolish enough to stand in their way again. Because it’s usually best not to get between craven, immoral douchebags and their goals.
If that is so, it’s a terrible tactic. Their feeding MAGA grievance wallowing.
Except it all turned out to be true and everything you said turned out to be lies.
Mike, every thing you’ve said has turned out to be pure bullshit. Everything we have said to you has turned out to be true.
Either get with the program, or fuck off.
Sandra (formerly OBL) thinks it is a Biden-masterminded plot to insure Donnie is the GOP nominee since Old Joe would lose to anyone else.
The Democrats were thrilled when he was the GOP nominee in 2016. We know how that worked out for them.
Yeah, but Donnie was the novelty celebrity candidate and he still lost by 3 million popular votes.
Joe/Kamala is a historically weak ticket though. I keep thinking it can't get worse but then it always does.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
SQUAWK!
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled shit pile.
Foo_dd is another Shrike sock.
Not convinced; run of the mill lefty TDS-addled ignoramus seems necessary and all that's required.
Pretty sure it was this pile of shit arguing that the US Gov't agents, strong-arming the media in an attempt to influence a POTUS elections is no worse than the Russki gifs; hard to imagine 'stupid' worse than that.
"Yeah, but Donnie was the novelty celebrity candidate and he still lost by 3 million popular votes."
Yeah, the lemmings who think Gavin Newsom and Andrew Cuomo (they guy who sentenced thousands of his own constituents to death) are the bees knees are legion.
The electoral college, as well as America's check and balance system, is meant to prevent hordes of uninformed voters from determining the fate of this country. CA has a supermajority on idiocy, so it loses the most people to states like Texas and Florida.
BTW, turd continues to ignore the fed-gov agents' strong-arming the media to give Joe a late shove; turd's dishonest and stupid enough to be OK with that.
turd lies; it's what turd does.
"since Old Joe would lose to anyone else"
Intentional misrepresentation, or just poor reading comprehension? Hard to tell.
Remember, you Democrats just proved you're so obedient, you'll vote for an obviously unfit stroke victim as long as you see that (D) after the name. So I don't write off Dementia Joe's chances no matter who his opponent is.
And I'm pretty sure I've said before that while DeSantis is clearly a stronger candidate than Trump, he'd be nowhere near a lock against Biden. The economy might need to get worse before I'd consider DeSantis the favorite.
The economy might need to get worse before I’d consider DeSantis the favorite.
There's still plenty of time.
And plenty of mail in ballots to be counted in major metro areas by psychopathic party activists with no conscience or scruples.
They asked us to believe Joe Biden got 81 million legitimate votes, and some of you even bought it.
Let us bear in mind they threw EVERYTHING at Trump (seriously try to remember it all), and he still significantly improved his support from 2016 and lost by around just 44k votes total across a couple states (who announced count pauses in the middle of the night, at the same time as each other, kicked out observers, and took days to come up with a final tally).
Alternate hypothesis - Democrats and the media are intentionally running these losing arguments because it will give Trump free advertising, make him a martyr in the eyes of his supporters and (their actual end game) distract attention from more viable or centrist Republican candidates.
I continue to think that the only reason Trump got elected the first time was because the established media sabotaged all the other R candidates, thinking that Trump was "unwinnable". They were hoist upon their own petard - and apparently still haven't learned anything.
Note that in 2016 Trump had no record to defend and ran on slogan "what have you got to lose". He did not defend his record in 2020 but rather ran a grievance campaign and lost. I see no reason that a 2024 grievance campaign will do better.
His record was good. Biden’s isn’t. Although I suspect you will make some ridiculous argument to the contrary.
And let’s be honest, democrat trash used the KungFlu scare as a means to wreck our economy to hurt trump. As there is nothing to vile for a democrat.
Ah, we have the prescribed midwit take.
Gotta give the powers that be credit for getting this narrative out early.
It's win/win ground for continuing to rig the election- either Trump "loses" again because everyone hates him, or a different R candidate "loses" because Trump voters didn't vote hard enough.
The cabal's got it easy.
Can someone explain how describing a fee paid to a lawyer for getting a non-disclosure agreement with a payment is fraud when you enter it as a legal fee in your paperwork?
They can’t
trumpbad
The rules are different when it's a code orange.
It's even better. The da is arguing that it is illegal because trump didn't use campaign funds for the pay out
That sounds more illegal than what Trump actually did. Wasn't it Edwards who used campaign funds to hush his mistress and pay for his bastard child after his affair while his wife was battling cancer? I don't recall if anything happened to him, but I do recall the conclusion being that it was illegal
He had a mistrial then the DoJ gave up. A benefit of being a dem in a dem majority collection of peers.
Get rid of the democrats. Nearly every issue of any importance boils down to that.
Just get rid of them.
Doesn't congress have a literal hush fund of taxpayer cash to cover their indiscretions?
And that's the crux of the matter - they're saying that the payment to Stormy Daniels constituted a campaign contribution and it wasn't reported as such. Do you think for one second that had Trump used campaign funds to pay her off he wouldn't have been indicted for misuse of campaign funds? Please.
You mean un-indicted co-conspirator number 1? Because in Cohen's fed case, there was such a person. And overlooked in all this comments and in this post is the fact that the un-indicted co conspirator at the time of Cohen's charges was a sitting president and we also know, the DOJ policy against indicting a sitting president.
In 2016 when all of this was happening, there was the pussy grabber comments and all the rest of Trump's typical sleazy lifestyle. Paying off a pornstar would have contributed to the theme. It is plausible that one would pay her off to keep her allegations/story out of the news. Considering the timing of the affair (sometime around when Melania gave birth to Trump's youngest son) it may or may not have had an effect on the primaries (although it seems the christian right is more than happy to turn the other cheek for Trump's numerous personal moral failings). Everybody keeps glossing over facts and re-writing history.
The fact is, in 2016 when this was happening, Cohen was in New York and the actual criminal activity Cohen was indicted for occurred in New York. So New York has jurisdiction. I am not sure about the tolling of statute of limitations argument... i think it's kinda weak considering Trump Organization itself (which Trump would not divest himself from while president and which Trump was still the CEO of) is all headquartered in New York. So I think Trump may win that argument. But he can't file a motion to dismiss until he is charged.
Attorney's fees are payments made to an attorney for legal work. For example, if I hire Mr. Jones to be my attorney and pay him $50,000 over the course of him prosecuting my case, those $50,000 are for attorney's fees. Having your attorney pay someone money (for a settlement, NDA, etc.) and then reimbursing your attorney for that same sum of money is not attorney's fees. The money is not being paid to the attorney for their work on the case, it's just a payment to make them whole after they already paid out the settlement with their own money. It's no different than if Trump paid Stormy Daniels himself, which obviously would not be attorney's fees.
Hope that helps clear it up.
My attorney pays for lunch when meeting with the other party, I pay him back. It's still legal fees. And paying a settlement is also legal fees and can be claimed as such. So, no your explanation is still extremely unsatisfying as to the reason it wouldn't be considered a legal fee.
It's a cost the lawyer accrued while handling the legal matter, which the party paid back, i.e. a legal fee.
Paying a settlement can only be claimed as attorney's fees for the portion of the settlement that is actually paid as attorney's fees to the other party. If I settle a matter with someone where one-third is going to their attorney as part of a fee, then two-thirds of the gross settlement amount is not for attorneys' fees. If you claimed that your entirely settlement amount was an attorneys' fee despite paying out the settlement to a plaintiff including wage damages on a W-2 or non-wage damages on a 1099, you'd be committing fraud.
Paying for your attorneys' lunch would be an expense and would be entirely separate of a settlement paid out to a plaintiff/potential plaintiff. That is not what (allegedly) happened here.
That is wrong. The company has no legal obligation and no actual way to allocate a settlement as you are saying. The defendant company is not a party to the plaintiff's fee agreement with their lawyer. While there is a general convention in the US that plaintiff attorneys take 33% of any resulting payout, that is not an absolute rule. Some attorneys work for less. Others use different fee structures entirely that can result in very different outcomes. The paying company, knowing none of that, books the entire payment in a single ledger entry.
There might be allowable accounting reasons to book the settlement for a wage dispute in a wages-paid or back-pay ledger account but it is also acceptable (and definitely NOT fraud) to book that as Legal Fees, especially if you continue to maintain that you were right in your original actions but that the settlement is "nuisance value".
Actually, no that doesn't help clear it up.
Or more precisely, if GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) said the same thing, that would clear it up nicely but GAAP doesn't actually say that. There is a surprising amount of discretion in the accounting conventions. In many cases, there has to be. Where, for example, would you book the settlement of a lawsuit for nuisance value? There's no line in the General Ledger for "extortion". It gets rolled into Legal Fees not because that's the perfect answer but because there's no better answer for that particular company.
Even where there are bright lines, the standard is not perfection. GAAP is only violated when there are "material" misrepresentations. $130k wouldn't even make it to rounding error at most major corporations. I haven't seen the income statement in question (and don't particularly want to) but I seriously doubt that this meets any reasonable auditor's materiality threshold.
I don't disagree that it seems like a reach for the Manhattan DA to prosecute such a case, I'm just clarifying how not every single dollar given to your attorney is an "attorney's fee." Just like if I gave my attorney $100 to buy drugs, he pockets the money and buys drugs with his own $100, I can't write off that $100 as attorney's fees.
While you are theoretically correct, as a practical matter under GAAP, you are wrong. Settlements and other legal expenses are regularly booked in the company's Legal Fees general ledger account. That's why it's called "legal fees" and not merely "attorney fees".
Gaap don’t mean shit when criminal behavior is involved. $2k of fraud is a felony and also a rounding error for most companies.
For the lawyer, settlements go into funds held in trust (liability not revenues). The become revenue when the lawyer takes his cut. The restaurant example is not revenue for the attorney. For the client they go into legal fees expense.
"Having your attorney pay someone money (for a settlement, NDA, etc.) and then reimbursing your attorney for that same sum of money is not attorney’s fees."
To be clear - Cohen paid Daniels with his own money, and then Trump reimbursed him later?
Yes, that's the claim.
So Gilmore is a low IQ clump of cancer.
Glad we cleared that up.
There was an NDA. The sum required to get that NDA was paid by Cohen and later reimbursed by Trump.
Please explain how setting up and paying out an NDA isn't 'lawyer's fees'
Cohen didn't slip her a bag of money and hope she'd keep her mouth shut.
Didn't Hillary pay for the Steele dossier by claiming legal fees?
For about 6 times more money.
there are better things out there that Trump could get indicted on. this one probably helps him.
it is flimsy. it is a transparent attempt to get "something, anything" to stick. (seen more than one article comparing it to taking down Capone for tax evasion.) when it fails, it will forever become a battle cry for him and his supporters about how unfair everyone is to him. when future potential indictments came against him, they will be held against the background of this failed political hack job. (and that is if the drama from this charge does not lead other prosecutors to avoid bringing those other charges.)
and for all the bluster, this charge will result in absolutely nothing, even if successful. he won't do any jail time. any fines will be nothing to him. the "felon" label might be the hope of some to keep him out of the white house, but that is an untested theory that probably won't go as far as those people think. and, it is all over shit from 6yrs ago that everyone already knows. we know who trump is. we know this happened. it did not make him lose support before, and it won't now. not filling out the paperwork properly to pay off the porn star who says they had sex with you.... is just not the deal breaker some people think it is.
i was hoping for more from the elections cases. those seem a bit more plausible at being won, are more directly related to real abuse of power, and are NOT dragging up old stuff it was already decided not to prosecute for.
Everyone thinks it’s funny, until it happens to them.
"i was hoping for more from the elections cases."
I was hoping a shit-for-brains like you would die from sticking his head up his ass and taking a deep breath.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled shit pile.
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Fuck off and die, TDS-addled shit pile.
Quit fucking sockpuppeting, Shrike.
But his other sock is, um, sticky.
C'mon, man.
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Bragg evidently decided otherwise. But that conclusion is so legally iffy that it reinforces Trump's reflexive complaint that he is, as always, a victim of a long-running Democratic "witch hunt."
Is Trump wrong Sullum? You've written 3 dozen articles often defending the attacks after all.
"The hush money and the cover-up of it, in the final weeks of a close presidential race, seem to have been a brazen violation of campaign finance rules. To overlook the violation could encourage future candidates to ignore the law, too." But if the payment was "a brazen violation of campaign finance rules," why did the Justice Department decline to prosecute Trump for arranging it?
We know for a fact Hillary paid for the Steele Dossier through a lawfirm to avoid and hide ties to the dossier. That is very clear from an experienced politician.
We know for a fact Hillary paid for the Steele Dossier through a lawfirm to avoid and hide ties to the dossier.
But that's totes different... because reasons...
"He told thousands of lies while in office; refused to participate in a peaceful transfer of power; used the power of the presidency to benefit his company; pressured a foreign leader to smear a political rival; and much more. At a certain point, the rule of law becomes meaningless if anybody can repeatedly ignore it."
Why was this narrative building even included?
Hey its true, remember the 2017 inauguration where he made people riot and destroy business and property in DC?
Trump's powers are unstoppable.
who's railing on Brandon so hard?
That's an attributed quote. That quote is included in the article because it supports the author's thesis that the people making the quote (like others supporting this charge) are doing so from hypocritical political motives.
Why include it. That is the quote. Note sullum barely goes against it. It is complete bullshit. But he had to squeeze it in.
I think you're being unfair in your reading. Sullum included it, then gutted it. It was relevant, to me at least, in that it made the proponents of that quote out to be hypocrites.
That quote was also necessary to set up the article's closing line - "This case undermines the rule of law in the name of upholding it."
Confession via projection.
Sullum has lied his ass off about Trump and the election. Continues doing so.
Hey, if the Congress can impeach Trump for things that didn't happen, surely the Manhattan DA can prosecute him for other things that did not happen.
Now that is funny!
Didn't Reaaon defend the impeachment as not requiring solid evidence or crimes since impeachment was just political?
I don't know about "Reason" defending it but several authors here did. And rightly so because that's true. Impeachment is for "high crimes and misdemeanors" but that phrase is undefined - which means it means whatever Congress says it means today - which means it is entirely political.
And (unfortunately, because it ruins the joke), that's what distinguishes the scenarios. Congress can impeach for anything but the Manhattan DA cannot.
"I don’t know about “Reason” defending it but several authors here did"
*facepalm*
And you see zero problem with congress corrupting constitutional language to serve political needs. Got it.
Please do not confuse my statement of what is for an opinion about what ought to be.
re: what is - Yes, I see big problems with Congress corrupting constitutional language. This isn't a case of them "corrupting" the language, though. The language on the standards for impeachment was left intentionally vague by the Founders.
re: what ought to be - Yes, I see potential problems with that vagueness. As you say, it can be easily abused for political purposes. But I can't blame any current Congress for that choice. Nor do I have any clear wording that I'm sure will make it better. But if you do have better wording, propose a constitutional amendment.
the reason trump wouldn't convince him is that all the republicans are a bunch of cucks that worship Trump, not because Trump didn't try to overthrow the government. They're all in on that, openly calling for the republic to become a Trumpian nightmare government. What a bunch of pussies.
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>>"has repeatedly shown disdain for laws and traditions that predecessors from both parties followed"
props to the libertarian publication decrying prison bars for a showing of disdain for tradition.
You do know Sullum is quoting someone there, not saying it himself.
In fact, Sullum goes on to take issue with the quote.
Cmon guys. Mike has already moved onto the next set of closing walls with the GA indictment. That one for sure is justified and not political.
>>Sullum goes on to take issue
yes ... you were doing so well on the other thread.
Lies, contentious transition, self-benefit, unduly exploiting foreign influence, pressuring political opponents... even if he's definitively guilty of all of the accused, I'm not exactly seeing a break from tradition here. Even if you cut the Civil War out from tradition, he's not really allegedly exceptional from Obama, W, Clinton, HW, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Kennedy... Johnson, FDR...
Garfield never got the chance.
Was he distracted with lasagna?
Biden gave an aesthetically Nazi-style speech decrying his political opponents as terrorists on national broadcast
Which the press considered unfair to terrorists since Trump was worse than Watergate, Hitler, the Black Death and even the "Cars for Kids" jingle.
"...Trump was worse than [...] and even the “Cars for Kids” jingle..."
As an engineer, you have to be familiar with the data which show that the jingle is more harmful than our instruments can now measure.
now the Children of the Corn demand we Donate to Junk for Joy in an even worse earworm
LOL. This from a writer that was an enthusiastic for the hoax to attempted to pervert that very transfer and was used to impede him for almost 3 years. Fuck you Sullum you lying leftist cunt.
I gave him credit for the one thing credit was due.
Meanwhile, you can chop someone to bits on a Manhattan street corner in broad daylight, and be released without bail.
Of course he was released immediately without bail. It's not as if he was a store clerk killing in self-defense. Those people go straight to Rikers and are charged with murder.
You'd think Reason would oppose Bragg more as it is utterly killing their entire reform movement for prosecutors. He is showing that the "reform" they claim to prefer is just "fuck over DIFFERENT people"
A misdemeanor that the statute of limitations has run out trying to tie it to a supposed Federal crime and prosecute it at the state level where he has no authority and that the Feds have refused to prosecute. Does seem a bit political.
You decide, I already have.
The way I remember it was that Trump wasn't charged by DoJ because they have a policy of not charging the current President. That is very different than not having evidence of a crime.
Cite missing.
As long as we keep tolerating the existence of goose-stepping cancer like slickrick, we're screwed.
I agree what is the crime? Non disclosure agreements are not illegal.
You are just partisan and a Trump hater. Look at it impartially and you will see it is the old "show me the man and I will show you the crime".
What you don't understand if this happens it is not just a travesty of justice for Trump, but for everybody. If they get away with this, everyone that has a political enemy is at risk, and that someday could be you or a loved one of yours. Check out what happened to the supporters of the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union, and you didn't have to be important to suffer, you just had to be.
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In clown world nothing is allowed to be funny and yet Trump consistently breaks through and for that I will always be grateful
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Dershowitz rips this bullshit to shreds in the first fifteen minutes or so of this video.
Trump should file criminal charges against Bragg for malicious prosecution.
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Bragg has no case but he has something much better...a New York jury. Trump will not only get convicted of the idiotic charge against him, but also of having been the second gunman on the grassy knoll and having disposed of Jimmy Hoffa's body.
If Trump doesn't get a change of venue, he will not be let out of prison until a month before the election so that write in votes for him will kill off any Republican ahead in the polls.
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2 assistant DAs felt so strongly that trump should be indicted that they resigned in protest that he wasn't
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/nyregion/trump-ny-fraud-investigation.html
LOL
Relying on prosecutor feelz...
Let’s hope they starved to death after they resigned.
"2 assistant DAs felt so strongly that trump should be indicted that they resigned in protest that he wasn’t"
As mentioned elsewhere, the world's IQ level suffers in that TDS is not fatal.
"2 assistant DAs felt so strongly that trump should be indicted that they resigned in protest that he wasn’t"
As mentioned elsewhere, the world's IQ level suffers in that TDS is not fatal.
Curious that they aren't charging Hillary Clinton with the same crime. The FEC fined the Clinton campaign for hiding the payment for the phony Steele Dossier under legal expenses. Exactly the same intent to hide a political payment and falsify records but obviously even worse since the FEC didn't fine Trump.
All it takes is one TDS-addled shit-pile for a DA: Poof!
When did that happen?
Are you saying that paying for a fake report to bolster your campaign is the same as paying blackmail? I'd say the first is much worse, and besides it's _clearly_ not legal expenses but a campaign expenditure. Trump's expenditure is different.
If Daniels made her blackmail legal by working through lawyers, then Trump paying it through a lawyer is clearly a legal expense, not a campaign expense. And if putting lawyers in the middle didn't make the blackmail legal and the payment a legal expense, this fascist pig is prosecuting the victim of a crime!
But that still doesn't make it a campaign expense. In fact, when John Edwards paid off a girlfriend, he was prosecuted for using campaign funds. I'm sure that if Trump had used campaign funds rather than his own money, this or some other "liberal"-fascist pig would have prosecuted him for that.
BTW:
“James Comer suspects more business deals occurred between Biden family and China”
[…]
“Rep. James Comer (R-KY) believes that there are 11 more deals between China and the Biden family, following a report from the House Oversight Committee that an associate of Hunter Biden linked to a Chinese company paid family members over $1 million.
[…]
”We’re gonna follow the money. We knew there was a money trail, we’ve spoken to enough people that were involved in the shady business games all around the world,” Comer said on Fox News’ Sunday Morning Futures with Maria Bartiromo. “Everything that we’ve subpoenaed thus far was accurate from what our whistleblowers were telling us, and we have a whole lot more information. This was the first deal, and we have many more to come.”…”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/biden-china-more-suspected-deals-house-oversight
He gets the same considerations I gave Trump; so far, anonymous sources and no evidence, but the claim is the bank records support the claims.
He gets a far better deal from most of the media; substitute “Trump” for “Biden” in that headline, and it would be page one, and lead TV news coverage nearly everywhere.
It’s really a shame TDS hasn’t proven fatal; it would certainly increase the global IQ level if it was.
The witch-hunt continues endlessly...
OMG! He tried to De-Regulate! Hang the witch; hang the witch!!!
Bragg is doing nothing more than grandstanding. Any press talking about his prosecution of Trump is press not talking about his malfeasance as Manhattan DA.
The character I hate most is Pence. What a mayonnaise-faced cuck. He lost the plot--of America--by saying it's problematic for former presidents to be subject to the rule of law. Even when the former president in question all but ordered his lynching. What a fucking tool.
The real problem with Republicans is how unmasculine they have all become. Do any of them not fuck boys? I mean come on.
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I don't think that's our current Pence. He's not so apologetic for Trump lately.
He’s likely running for president. Were you aware of that?
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Ehhhh Lindsey Graham and Ted Rafael Cruze are the biggest cucks who hang on as Trump's dingle berries.
There are numerous problems in the case. First, one of Trump's known mental problems is germophobia. Remember the doilies on top of his water glass? There was a report that in his bachelor days he would have potential girl friends checked out by his doctor. It is very unlikely he could have sex with a probably diseased porn star. The money paid her was probably less than his legal cost for a trial. Avoiding trial helped his campaign, avoided personal embarrassment, and helped preserve the Trump brand value for his business. It could thus legitimately be a campaign, personal, or business expense. All are equally legitimate. Where is the "crime"? Probably the only crime is Stormy Daniels' shakedown scam for something that never happened.
Mahnattan DA needs a few decades making little rocks out of big rocks.
There was enough there to convict Cohen. There's enough to get the orange. Please proceed District Attorney, he deserves at least one felony on his record.
Yeah. Not being antifa means it isnt saved on my keyboard dictionary.
It's better to speak in code anyway