The Zoning Theory of Everything
Land use policies explain the battles over everything from the Great Recession to abortion to Donald Trump.

When 17 million Americans tuned in to watch the first night of the 2020 Republican National Convention (RNC), they were greeted by the newly famous faces of Mark and Patricia McCloskey.
A few months prior, the McCloskeys had been obscure Missouri lawyers. Then footage of the married couple brandishing firearms at Black Lives Matter demonstrators outside their St. Louis home rocketed them to national notoriety.
Roundly condemned by liberal America and charged with felonious use of their weapons by local prosecutors, the McCloskeys used their brief RNC remarks to defend their names. Rather than the menacing bigots they'd been portrayed as, the two argued they had been lawfully defending their home from a mob of marauding leftists. The violence they faced down would soon descend upon your home too, they warned, thanks to Democrats' radical plot—to tweak local zoning codes.
Democrats "want to abolish the suburbs altogether by ending single-family home zoning," Patricia McCloskey told the camera. "This forced rezoning would bring crime, lawlessness, and low-quality apartments into now thriving suburban neighborhoods. President Trump smartly ended this government overreach, but Joe Biden wants to bring it back. These are the policies that are coming to a neighborhood near you."
These remarks reflected a newly adopted theme of President Donald Trump's reelection campaign: that he had saved the "American suburban lifestyle dream" by axing housing policies adopted under President Barack Obama. Then-candidate Joe Biden's promise to revive those rules was presented as proof positive of his plans to destroy all that was good about America.
The words zoning policy probably conjure thoughts of dull board meetings and interminable debates about setbacks, parking requirements, and seemingly small architectural details. Most Americans probably consider zoning about as dry as an unlicked envelope. Yet somehow, during a presidential election unfolding amid a deadly pandemic, divisive lockdowns, raucous protests and riots, mass unemployment, and spiking crime, zoning politics managed to show up center stage.
Looked at one way, it was another strange turn in an already bizarre election year. Looked at another way, it was yet another demonstration that zoning rules have become central to American life and politics, almost entirely to deleterious effect.
Zoning regulations control what kinds of buildings can be constructed where, and then what activity can happen inside them. They effectively socialize private property while controlling even the most mundane features of our physical environment and daily routines. Zoning rules flip property rights on their head, curtailing the owners' ability to do what they wish on their land. In exchange, they sometimes give people near–veto power over what happens on their neighbors' property.
Whether a disused shed stays cluttered with rusty lawn care equipment, is turned into a home business, or is converted into an in-law suite might not seem like a major decision. But the existence of a whole body of laws dedicated to controlling that decision tells you how far zoning reaches into American lives. The consequences of these laws are as far-reaching as they are devastating.
The immediate costs of zoning are straightforward: By limiting new housing construction, zoning drives home prices up in—and drives people out of—the most in-demand neighborhoods. By micromanaging commercial activity, zoning prevents entrepreneurs from trying new things, making everyone poorer in the process.
On a macroeconomic level, zoning slows economywide growth and dynamism by wrapping the most productive urban centers in red tape. The distortions it causes in the wider economy have helped fuel large-scale economic and political instability over the past two decades, playing a part in everything from the Great Recession to the election of Trump to COVID-19 craziness.
Zoning also makes America a less welcoming, less interesting place. Whether someone is trying out a new life, a new business, or just a new look, chances are there's a provision of the zoning code waiting to stop them.
Zoning not only gives busybody politicians the ability to affect everything; it gives them power to stop everything, making it the go-to tool for those trying to restrict everything from abortion to chain stores to goat yoga. It's only a little bit of a stretch to say that American political debates always come back to zoning—and that zoning makes everything worse.
How Zoning Led to the Great Recession
When the 2010s began, America was in the nationwide economic rut that followed the housing price collapses of the Great Recession. By the end of the decade, most urban areas were experiencing a housing affordability crisis widely blamed on too little housing.
How did we go from one to the other so quickly? Zoning, of course.
That might sound counterintuitive. The conventional view of the Great Recession is that excess demand for housing—caused by some combination of loose monetary policy, government-subsidized credit, and unscrupulous lenders—inflated a bubble that inevitably had to pop. Leftists, liberals, libertarians, and conservatives can all find something to agree with in this theory.
But it's wrong, according to Kevin Erdmann, a senior affiliated scholar at George Mason University's Mercatus Center. Erdmann has advanced a heterodox theory that this century's most serious economic contraction before the pandemic can be traced back to zoning laws in the most in-demand cities.
In a 2020 paper on the origins of the recession, Erdmann and economist Scott Sumner argue that monetary policy was not exceptionally loose in the lead-up to the financial crisis and that new residential investment was not high by historic standards. Most of the toxic assets and bad mortgages originated after housing prices had already started to decline.
Erdmann and Sumner also point out that prices were increasing fastest in coastal "closed access" cities like New York and San Francisco, where the economy was booming but restrictive zoning regulations prevented much new housing from being built. The result was an out-migration of lower-income people to "contagion cities" in Nevada, Florida, Arizona, and other places where home building was less regulated. Erdmann and Sumner lay the housing crisis directly at the feet of NIMBYs—"not in my backyard" activists who opposed the construction of new housing.
"The NIMBY phenomenon that led to housing scarcity in closed-access cities induced households to migrate from large multi-unit buildings in dense coastal cities to single-family homes in cheaper cities," write Erdmann and Sumner. "The primary source of demand was households looking to economize on housing consumption by moving out of the expensive coastal cities."
Think of Mark and Patricia McCloskey as a class of activist. The McCloskeys of San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York City tried to protect their views, their property values, and their relatively low-traffic streets with zoning laws that banned apartments across whole swaths of the city. Lack of supply met huge demand, hiking prices in the process. Middle-class people were effectively priced out of urban apartments because those apartments were simply never built.
So instead of living in Los Angeles and New York City, middle- and lower-income people moved to Las Vegas and Phoenix. That influx of demand saw prices spike and builders respond by throwing up lots of new homes. The glut of new homes in inexpensive Sun Belt cities wasn't just the result of an overinflated financial system. It was a response to real demand from cost-burdened coastal emigrants.
All this had massive macroeconomic consequences. Erdmann and Sumner argue the Great Recession was ultimately caused by federal officials misinterpreting rising home prices as a bubble rather than the result of a real shortage. So they tightened monetary and lending policy, and that tipped a rational building boom into an artificially induced recession.
It's an out-of-the-box theory that deemphasizes or disputes many common libertarian diagnoses of the Great Recession that center on an overly profligate Federal Reserve or on reckless financial institutions banking on an inevitable federal bailout. But it does explain how the country was able to go from a supposed glut of housing oversupply to a shortage of somewhere between 4 million and 20 million homes. The glut was overinterpreted—and the shortage never went away.
When economic growth did come back in the 2010s, in the form of a "return to the city" movement, zoning restrictions that were already tight became positively strangling.
Escape to New York
With a decade of data now available, it can be definitively said that the 2010s witnessed an urban renaissance. But zoning ensured that renaissance would be painful and incomplete.
From 2010 to 2020, the densest urban neighborhoods grew faster than their more spread-out suburbs and only slightly less quickly than sparsely populated exurban fringes. After two decades of sprawl, the average American neighborhood grew denser; the percentage of Americans living in the densest urban census tracts ticked up considerably, albeit from a low baseline.
Even in places where urban areas didn't add that many people, they added jobs and businesses. Real estate prices grew the fastest in the densest neighborhoods.
Economists, urbanists, and city watchers credit this "return to the cities" to urban areas' longstanding advantages at spurring growth and innovation. When lots of workers and firms are accessible to one another, that allows for more specialization, for more economies of scale, and for ideas to form and spread more rapidly.
The knowledge-based nature of the 21st century's growth industries make the agglomerative effects of dense cities especially powerful. Tech and biomedical research don't require large factory floors, so cheap land out in the suburbs isn't as useful. Those industries do heavily depend on thick networks of highly skilled, highly specialized workers, which can be found in large cities. It also helps to have lots of customers nearby to test products on.
"In the 1970s, 'Silicon Valley' literally meant making semiconductors in large fabs that required expensive equipment and clean rooms," wrote venture capitalist Kim-Mai Cutler in 2014. "The big wave of the last decade has been social networking. And every notable consumer web or mobile product of this wave has been seeded through critical mass in the 'analog' world. Facebook had university campuses. Snapchat had Southern California high schools. Foursquare had Lower Manhattan. Twitter had San Francisco. These products favor social density."
Urban density also enables the frictionless interactions that are essential to innovation. "Face-to-face interactions generate a richer information flow that includes body language, intonation and facial expression and the opportunities they create for frequent, even spontaneous interpersonal collaboration," wrote Harvard University economist Edward Glaeser in a 2020 paper. "As the world became more complex, the value of intense communication also increases."
But as cities became more popular and productive, their zoning restrictions on new housing development started to really bite. Nationwide, urban rents rose twice as fast as urban consumer prices. Median rents shot past $2,000 in New York and $3,000 in San Francisco. Home prices quickly rebounded and surpassed their recession-induced dips in coastal metros.
The net result: Higher-income young professionals without kids became much more likely to live in the city by the end of the decade, but most other demographic groups ended the 2010s less urbanized. The largest urban core counties also witnessed net domestic outmigration for most of the 2010s. Only international immigration and new children kept their population growth positive.
"This combination of faster population growth in outlying areas and bigger price increases in cities points to limited housing supply as a curb on urban growth, pushing people out to the suburbs," wrote economist Jed Kolko in 2017.
When NIMBY zoning rules cut off industries from innovation-breeding cities, the economy's productivity as a whole suffers. Fewer inventions are created; fewer new ideas catch on. The higher wages and standards of living all that growth would have created do not materialize.
In "The Housing Theory of Everything," a 2021 essay for Works in Progress, Sam Bowman, John Myers, and Ben Southwood cobble together the most recent research to estimate that zoning restrictions cost the average American somewhere between $8,800 and $16,000 a year in foregone income.
If you take seriously the idea that politics is primarily downstream of material factors, you might blame zoning for a lot of the sheer craziness of American politics in the last decade too.
Zoning-Induced Political Psychosis
One October morning in 2018, a strange package appeared in front of George Soros' house in Katonah, New York. Inside was a homemade pipe bomb intended for the billionaire financier and supporter of liberal political causes. Over the next couple of days, another 15 pipe bombs would show up at the doorsteps of Democratic politicians and liberal media and entertainment figures, including Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and actor Robert De Niro, as well as CNN's New York office. The culprit turned out to be a pro-Trump Florida man named Cesar Sayoc. The pipe bombs themselves were all duds, and likely never intended to work. Sayoc ended up getting 20 years in prison.
Most of the commentary following Sayoc's arrest focused on whether Trump was culpable for inspiring the stunt, or on the role misinformation or polarization might play in producing political violence. But Sayoc had lost his Fort Lauderdale house during the 2009 foreclosure wave emanating from the Great Recession. As The Intercept's David Dayen noted, the loss of his home was among the setbacks in Sayoc's sad and unstable life that led him to living in a van and becoming a rabid Trump partisan.
Sayoc's story is just a small example of the ways American politics have appeared to grow increasingly deranged. There are obviously many factors at work, but zoning bears some of the blame. Were it not for overly restrictive zoning regulations, the Great Recession might not have happened. Without that recession, it's plausible that much of the instability of the past decade wouldn't have happened either. Zoning is a key ingredient in America's present political psychosis.
During the economic turmoil of 2007–2009, millions lost their jobs, their homes, or both, and a whole generation of workers entered a depressed job market with poor employment prospects but plenty of student debt. This was also the era of bank bailouts, automaker bailouts, and a massive federal "stimulus" that exploded the government's debt while failing to arrest the economic crisis. All that spending further enraged a recession-battered public, who saw their government go deeper into the red propping up large and powerful corporations.
The Tea Party movement started sweeping through the Republican Party, condemning government spending and fanning the flames of the ever-so-brief "libertarian moment." Republican presidential candidates were soon trying to outcompete each other on how many government programs they said they'd eliminate—provided they didn't touch military spending, Social Security, or Medicare—and who hated Mitch McConnell the most. On the other side of the political spectrum, the Occupy movement channeled outrage at bank bailouts into a general critique of Wall Street and corporate control of politics. For many Occupiers, the problem wasn't so much that the government was doing too much as that the government was helping the rich at the expense of everyone else.
These populist flames kept burning long after the worst effects of the Great Recession passed, though they soon took different forms. The anti-establishment fervor that the Tea Partiers kicked off within the GOP evolved from supporting libertarian-infused purity politicians to propelling Trump, presenting himself as the ultimate anti-system candidate, to victory in 2016.
Occupy proved less successful at taking over the Democratic Party. For a lot of its organizers, that wasn't really the point. But its narrative of the 99 percent versus the 1 percent helped fuel a more strident progressivism, embodied by the likes of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.).
As urban areas started to rebound from the worst of the Great Recession, urban progressives' targets shifted from the big banks to anything that smacked of growth or that ill-defined concept, "gentrification."
The people most harmed by restrictions on new housing supply teamed up with their more well-off NIMBY neighbors to oppose anything that might bring more young professionals to town. They protested hipster coffee shops and tech employee shuttle services. They fought new bar arcades and Amazon offices. Anti-growth activists also targeted new apartment buildings themselves, under the mistaken belief that these developments create their own demand and thus raise prices even more.
Ocasio-Cortez might have gone to D.C. to bring about the socialist revolution. But her biggest political victory to date is her successful opposition to Amazon opening a second office headquarters near her district.
In his 2016 campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sanders touted his opposition to bank bailouts as a sign of his independence from Wall Street. During his 2020 campaign, he tried to win over Boston-area activists by opposing the redevelopment of a dilapidated horse racetrack into new homes and businesses.
About a decade after the Great Recession, another hugely destabilizing event came along. And while zoning restrictions didn't cause the COVID-19 pandemic, they made it even crazier than it would have been.
Zoning helped create single-use central business districts where everyone works but few people actually live. Mandated business closures quickly turned downtowns into ghost towns. The disappearance of office workers, tourists, and the businesses that catered to both meant that cities lost the "eyes on the street" that are important to maintaining urban order. That helped fuel crime and vagrancy, both of which spiked.
In the late 1910s and early 1920s, judges frequently pointed to the death toll of the Spanish Flu pandemic as justification for upholding early zoning codes' bans on allegedly superspreading apartment buildings. A century later, those apartment bans ensured that more people were living in overcrowded housing, where COVID was more likely to spread. A number of studies have linked more people per housing unit to faster COVID spread and higher COVID mortality rates.
Those early days of empty cities, rising death tolls, and collapsing public order set the mood during 2020 that the apocalypse was nigh. Mass racial justice protests, the riots that sometimes followed, and the occasional outbreak of leftist street communes seemed like an almost natural reaction to the end of the world.
American society did not collapse. But legal restrictions that kept people from changing their built environments reduced the flexibility that's crucial to weathering these system shocks. That rigidity means individuals fleeing crises elsewhere have a harder time taking advantage of the peace and prosperity America still provides.
Unavoidable Walls
In August 2021, the American military made a chaotic final pullout from Afghanistan. The news was filled with images of desperate people hanging to the landing gear of aircraft in a vain attempt to escape impending Taliban rule.
In the aftermath of the withdrawal, government refugee agencies and nonprofits set to work resettling the thousands of people who did manage to flee the country. To ease their transition, the U.S. State Department gave them an important piece of official advice: For the love of God, don't try to rent an apartment in California.
"Some cities in California are very expensive places to live, and it can be difficult to find reasonable housing and employment. Any resettlement benefits you receive may not comfortably cover the cost of living in these areas," the State Department warned, recommending lower-cost cities such as Houston, Salt Lake City, and Atlanta.
There are a handful of issues that don't directly connect to zoning restrictions. The war in Afghanistan and immigration are likely two of them. But the fates of people fleeing the Taliban end up being shaped by zoning nonetheless.
San Francisco, New York City, and Boston were once havens for new immigrants, because they offered both affordable housing and economic opportunity. The "return to the city" movement of the past decade has ensured the opportunity remains. But zoning regulations that choke off new housing has made those cities all but closed to poorer arrivals.
The State Department's direction to Afghan refugees to steer clear of California's cities is just one example. Another came a year later, when 49 Venezuelan asylum seekers showed up on the resort island of Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts.
Their arrival had been engineered by Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. The migrants reportedly received papers promising jobs, housing, and other benefits. It was a political stunt aimed at exposing liberals' immigration hypocrisy, premised on the idea that they say they care about immigrants until they actually have to deal with them.
On that front, liberal hypocrisy didn't materialize. The surprised Martha's Vineyard residents put up the migrants in a local church for a few nights, providing them with clothing and food before sending them to stay at a military facility on Cape Cod. Within a few weeks, all had either left Massachusetts or settled in more permanent housing.
But why didn't these migrants, coming in search of work, find housing on their own on the island where they landed? Because Martha's Vineyard's zoning laws are exclusionary, even if its citizens aren't.
Residential developments larger than two units are all but prohibited in the community. The island's minimum lot sizes are gigantic, stretching up to two acres or more. Much of the island is reserved for "agricultural" purposes where nothing can be built.
All this limits the housing supply on the much-in-demand island. Average Martha's Vineyard home prices are $1.3 million—well out of reach for a penniless Venezuelan migrant. (They wouldn't be that much better off in the Boston area, where median home prices are just under $1 million.)
Meanwhile, Martha's Vineyard has been suffering a labor shortage, which has forced businesses to cut back on the services they offer for want of staff. Local business owners know exactly why there's a shortage. "There's no place for them to live—why would they come here?" one local hardware store owner told The Martha's Vineyard Times. It's not just desperate Afghans and Venezuelans who have a hard time moving to jobs and opportunity.
"Closed access" cities and towns aren't just losing out on units of labor. So much of what makes cities interesting comes from the culture, cuisine, local traditions, and neighborhood character added by migrants, foreign and domestic. Zoning doesn't just make cities more expensive, less accessible, and poorer. It also makes them less vibrant, less fun, and less interesting.
More Rules, Less Fun
George R.R. Martin needs no help in delaying the completion of a story. The Historic Districts Review Board of Santa Fe, New Mexico, gave it to him anyway.
In September 2020, the board denied the fantasy author's request for an exemption to the district's height limit so that he could build a giant library-containing keep as part of the castle-like home he was designing.
While zoning makes our economy more unstable and our politics more deranged, it keeps everything else much more boring. When people want to try new ideas on their property, whether it's a startup business or just a fresh look, they are stopped by a litany of rules aimed at separating "incompatible uses" and eliminating "out-of-context" designs.
Often those rules govern what exactly a building can look like. Just as frequently, it's business practices that run afoul of voluminous zoning restrictions. The people who craft and enforce zoning codes can't predict every activity that people might possibly want to do. So ideas that don't fit into preexisting use tables get squelched.
Take Indiana farmer Jordan Stevens, whose goat yoga operation was shut down by county zoning officials. Goat yoga, for the uninitiated, is a lot like traditional yoga—but with goats on the premises. For a time, Stevens ran Indiana's only full-time goat yoga operation. As a relatively new practice, it's no surprise the county zoning code didn't spell out where exactly goat yoga is allowed. So county officials ordered Stevens to shut it down. She could legally raise goats and sell goats on her agriculturally zoned property, but letting people stretch next to them was apparently out of line.
Many home business operations meet a similar fate, regardless of how innocuous they are. Whether someone wants to sell dresses on Etsy from their house or clip hair in their garage, zoning codes are there to get in the way.
Home business bans can mean aspiring business owners need to rent prohibitively expensive commercial space. Even entrepreneurs with the means to rent a shopfront can still be undercut by long and complicated zoning approval processes. These restrictions can kill off innovative experimentation, and they can squelch the shops that give a neighborhood more vibrancy and character.
Even when most of the public is ready to live and let live when it comes to kooky new businesses, zoning gives the minority with a strong desire to control others' property ample opportunity to get in the way.
Then there's the controversy over Oregon's newly decriminalized trade in magic mushrooms. In 2020, voters approved an initiative that legalized the supervised consumption of psilocybin at state-licensed facilities. In 2022, a majority of voters in Jackson County rejected local ballot initiatives that would have imposed local bans on these new mushroom "service centers." That didn't stop Jackson planning officials from proposing zoning rules that would de facto prevent these businesses from establishing themselves.
Not all government departments are created equal. When whole bodies to control land use are set up, land use control freaks end up dominating them.
Even when zoning rules try to protect local, character-enhancing businesses, they can have the opposite effect. If there's one thing San Francisco's zoning code hates more than new housing, it's chain stores. The city's "formula retail" restrictions were enacted to keep national franchise businesses from dominating neighborhood commercial strips. But they also had the effect of stopping a beloved local burrito chain, El Farolito, from opening another location in the city's North Beach neighborhood. The chain had just enough preexisting locations that looked just similar enough to each other to qualify as a chain store. The rules designed to keep Starbucks and McDonald's out of town ended up strangling a local favorite as well.
Thanks to the favorable intervention of a city supervisor, El Farolito was eventually able to open its North Beach location after agreeing to modify its signage at its preexisting businesses. That was a welcome break. A business without a powerful city politician on its side wouldn't have been so lucky.
Everyone's Favorite Tool
Prior to the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, states had limited ability to restrict abortion. As a workaround, some conservative states passed zoning-like regulations that required abortion clinics to be within a certain distance from a hospital.
When the Dobbs decision did come down, it kicked off a wave of commentary from pro-choice commentators arguing that blue states needed to liberalize the zoning rules that were driving up housing costs. That way, women from across the country could afford to relocate and have as many abortions as they wanted.
Somehow, everything in American politics traces back to zoning.
The universe of activities to which zoning regulations apply has grown substantially over time. These rules were once meant to keep glue factories away from houses and apartments away from single-family houses. They've since become an all-encompassing net weighing down nearly everything about a community.
The power we've given zoning means it's often the first thing officials reach for when trying to achieve social goals. But even the awesome scope of zoning powers hasn't reorganized society in the ways that its proponents might hope.
Restrictions on "yuppie fishbowl" apartments didn't turn tech out of San Francisco. They just made the city more expensive.
Single-family zoning didn't end up isolating Patricia McCloskey's neighborhood from 2020's racial justice protests. Nor was Trump's NIMBY rhetoric about saving the suburbs in 2020 enough to get the country's suburban communities to vote for him in large enough numbers to win the election.
The consequences of this hubris are increasingly being recognized and fought against. The high costs of housing in the most expensive cities birthed the "yes in my backyard" (YIMBY) movement of pissed-off city dwellers tired of seeing their urban wage premium eaten up by the urban housing premium. They are now out to make zoning pay for the damage it has done, either by substantially reducing its restrictiveness or eliminating it altogether.
The YIMBYs have scored impressive partial victories in eliminating restrictions on residential density in California, where they've legalized duplexes and in-law suites almost everywhere in the state. They're now putting teeth into forgotten state laws aimed at overcoming the zoning rules of anti-growth localities. Such reforms are spreading to states as different as Oregon and Virginia.
The material impacts of these wins are minor for the moment. But they represent an ideological inflection point. No longer are zoning restrictions being treated as boring and ordinary. Their high costs are now being calculated for all to see. The rules in place have to be justified and defended, or they risk being eliminated entirely by YIMBY activists.
Something similar is happening with zoning's use restrictions. The libertarian legal movement is increasingly convincing courts and legislatures that bans on people selling goods and services from their own home are unwise and, occasionally, unconstitutional.
Everything is zoning in that zoning's assumed task has become a general ordering of society. That's not just a big mission. It's a goal that goes beyond the zoners' ultimate capabilities. The task they've set for themselves has nevertheless had a profound, and profoundly negative, impact on society.
A general truism of free market economics is that individuals, when given the freedom to choose, will engage in mutually beneficial trades with the people around them. One argument for property rights is that these voluntary transactions need a physical space to happen in.
By constraining those property rights through restrictions on use, density, and more, zoning controls the physical substrata on which free markets are built. It is central planning brought down to an almost elemental level. It has made individuals and society poorer, less dynamic, more unstable, less interesting, less welcoming—and a little crazier too.
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He does love his hyperbolic strawman. One of his true talents. It justified his total embrace of the left due to a icky human being.
The only sarcastic part of my statement was the final sentence. The rest was factual.
If what I said was incorrect, then by all means enlighten me as to how Trump opposes tariffs, industrial policy, zoning, and heavily restricted immigration.
Get that washing machine off the porch.
Are you of the impression that tariffs didn't exist before Trump? Even Reagan issued them.
In Trump's case they were largely retaliatory and not protective unlike the vast history of tariffs. In a free market pid pro quo is a legitimate exercise even under libertarian analysis. The NAP is already violated by the other trade partner. Libertarianism doesn't require shrugging ones shoulders as bad acts occur. Ignoring bad acts against you just an idiot.
But pretending trump was unique in that regard is the strawman. You admit to having supported pro tariff neocons prior.
We’ve all explained all of this to him many times in recent years. He m owns this, but pretends not to anyway. He’s a dirty, lying, conniving, drunken piece of shit that is so valueless that he should not be permitted to draw breath,. Lest he continues the ongoing crime of oxygen theft.
Retaliatory tariffs are the equivalent of “How dare they raise taxes on imports? We’re gonna get back at them by paying more taxes and making stuff more expensive! Not just imports, but stuff made from imported materials! That’ll teach ‘em!”
It’s stupid.
The only straw man is the one that claims I said anything about Trump being unique. I never said anything about supporting neocon tariffs either.
I have said that I’d consider supporting tariffs as a source of federal revenue if it replaced other taxes. But that has nothing to do with trade.
About a year ago you asked me for recommendations on game theory in relations to economics. I provided 3. You were too ignorant to pursue. That is on you.
If someone is constantly robbing your store, do you call the police/hire a guard, or continue allowing the theft? China steals 10s of billions a year on trade theft. It also increases costs of security.
Your ignorant solution to above is ignore it and continue to let it happen. Because you're a fucking idiot.
There are dozens of examples of AI gaming involving trade. Almost exclusively does a tit for tat algorithm win out. Those who always process the trade being the biggest losers. Constantly being shit on is not a winning position. But you're not used to ever winning, so maybe thats why you enjoy it.
Sometimes it looks like you might be making a point, but you always drop a turd at the end that makes your entire post stink.
Why would anyone take the advice of someone who can’t say hello without belittling them?
What you say about game theory may be right, but you present it in such an incredibly condescending manner that no one except a fellow antagonist will look further into it.
If you want people to read the same things as you so you can have common things to talk about, try not being a dick. Just try it. One time. You might get a different result.
There are several reasons I didn’t look into your recommendations. I didn’t write them down, I didn’t want to write them down because you were being a dick, I was reading/listening to another book at the time, and your general dishonesty makes me doubt you even read your recommendations.
No. Youre an ignorant shit. You can’t be bothered with hard work.
Why would I keep describing game theory to you when you won’t even do basic legwork? You didnt investigate or even gain curiosity on the subject and used the exact same talking points above. You didn’t find a counter to the argument provided last year, you simply ignored it and retreated to based assumptions. If you want to counter it, learn it and counter it. Instead you just retreat. That is a lack of intellectual incuriosity. Game theory has been involved in economics for 70 years at this point. AI has many competitions on propagated economics using algorithms which is an attempt to create rationalized competitions between theories. Game theory continues to come out on top. Because it doesn’t require idealistic assumptions but actions in concordance with reality. If you were intellectually curious you’d investigate. You aren’t. So you throw bumper sticker arguments over and over filled with invectives against those who provided you an actual opportunity to be curious. That’s why I don’t argue with the very few times you want to discuss an idea. It isnt worth the fucking effort.
If your knowledge was more than "all tariffs bad" a discussion may be had. But that's your limit.
“heavily restricted immigration.”
Is that Sarcasmic speak for enforcing the already existing laws regarding illegal immigration?
Look at you trying to conflate legal immigration with illegally sneaking in. You’re not that big into honesty, are you?
Lol. Ask the judge who gave his wife full custody of his kids and granted the restraining order to prevent him from further abusing her and the children.
I don’t believe he has children. Or was ever married. Although a shitbag welfare queen like him might be gay for pay, or at least gay for drugs and alcohol.
I'm pretty sure Sarcasmic's straight. I'm also reasonably sure he's sucked a dick for a 36 Ouncer of Crown Royal.
This has all been litigated. You were straightened out in every issue. Now you feign amnesia and lie to us. This is how weak you are.
It may shock you sarc, but most people here understand that the constitution stops at our border.
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Do the principles embodied in the Constitution also stop at our borders?
A Neocon would say they don’t.
They're not even in effect inside our borders.
I seem to remember an old Star Trek episode where Captain Kirk finds them on another planet dusts them off and reads them to the inhabitants. So no nothing stops at our boarder’s. Heck I recon Pornhub is probably about 10 light yrs from earth by now lol
The fact that Sarcasmic has to post his Trump trolling under almost every single article here, might make him think that maybe he was wrong about his claims of no bias at Reason if he were a thinking man.
Unfortunately Sarcasmic isn't a thinking man.
The first time Donald Trump ever came on my personal radar was when I read a Reason magazine article about his attempt to use eminent domain to oust Vera Coking from her home to build a limo parking lot for his casino.
Yeah, so?
Lol, the hell that's actually the first time Donald Trump ever came on your personal radar.
Who do you think you're kidding? You're so obvious.
No no, it's true. Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. had never even heard of Donald Trump until 2004 when John Stossel included a paragraph about the Vera Coking story in an article about welfare for rich people.
In my case that could be true, Tulpa, my brother in Christ.
I, being a California native living nowhere near New York, may well have been blissfully completely unaware of the existence of Donald Trump until I read about Vera Coking.
I live in Washington State. I knew who Trump was by the late 80’s. Between the financial news and his divorce from Ivanka playing out in the tabloids, he was hard to miss. It seems unlikely you didn’t gear of him until 2004.
I was 8 years old and living in Kansas and I knew who Donald Trump was.
Jesus H Science
That evil son of a bitch not only refused to unconstitutionally federalize state zoning laws like Chuckie Koch demands, but he went back in time 300 years and personally implemented the zoning laws in every municipality in all 50 states!
I had to dig a little bit but that is the REAL story. Obama and Biden are trying to federalize zoning regulation spending B as in BILLIONS of taxpayer funds to bribe local zoning boards to flush out single family homes in some BS racist neighborhood BS.
Meanwhile, zoning laws are made at the level closest to the people involved, where anyone's voice can be heard and a majority that votes for, or against, the politicians that put zoning laws into the books, means that's pretty much what the community wants.
Not done some thousands of miles away, just to assuage some idiots ideas of "making things equitable", and to hell with what the people it affects want.
Fuck the author with his "almost entirely to deleterious effect".
In a libertarian framework (not an anarchist, no government funding scenario) which is more libertarian: increased consumption taxes (tariffs and sales) or increased income taxes?
I’d be willing to bet that, like most developers, he has a love/hate relationship with zoning laws that is directly proportional to how it affects his ability to do his job. Then again, I think the overwhelming majority of people are the same way.
I’m on record saying that if we must tax something, tax consumption.
I oppose tariffs as an economic tool.
However I’d rather government revenue come from tariffs than income tax. You get less of what you tax. Taxing income means you get less work. I’d rather have less imports than less productivity.
yes definetly
http://www.infopka.com
Fabricator in Chief.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/18/joe-bidens-dangerous-trans-zealotry/
It is hard to tell which was the biggest lie Joe Biden told in his sit-down with Kal Penn, former stoner-movie actor turned Democratic Party lackey, earlier this week on the Daily Show.
Even CNN thinks the Chinese money funneled to the Bidens looks bad.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/18/cnns-burnett-evidence-revealing-chinese-money-funneled-to-bidens-doesnt-look-good/
CNN news anchor Erin Burnett admitted that evidence revealing that the Biden family received over a million dollars from accounts linked to Hunter Biden’s Chinese business dealings does not “look good” for the president’s family.
On her CNN program “Erin Burnett OutFront,” Burnett was discussing financial records revealing members of the Biden family payment from a CCP-linked company.
Biden said flatly it didn't happen. Ignore the provided banking reports. Nothing to see.
Listen to sarc. Advocate for made up felonies of Trump instead, which even most liberal lawyers say is bullshit. That is what is important.
Doesn't matter. As Sandra (formerly OBL) has pointed out presidents and ex-presidents are above the law.
I was foolishly idealistic once too - hoping Fatass Donnie would get his perp-walk and orange jumpsuit. It is a waste of time.
Don't forget that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit
"I was... hoping Fatass Donnie would get his perp-walk and orange jumpsuit."
What for, Shrike?
Being mean on Twitter? Ignoring your lord and saviour, George H. Soros? Not starting any lovely Neocon wars? Being orange in public? Saying rude things about Don Lemon?
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His life for Soros! Who has undoubtedly, through one of his leftist organizations, offered creatures like Shrike young boys leash for their loyalty and their treason.
I guess I'm pragmatic about letting relatively small Presidential abuses of power go without prosecution, and moving on.
This New York indictment is highly likely to fail to "get" Trump, and is going to feed division in our country, maybe even violence. (I know. Technically, it didn't happen while he was President, and wasn't a Presidential abuse of power.)
Having said that, I would like to see Trump prosecuted for attempting to intefere with Georgia election. In my mind, that is a serious crime and there is indisputable evidence.
Cite?
Lame accusation. You always speak of context. The context of this argument has always fallen short. The request was to "find" more votes. Not illegally, but in the way a previous 6,800 votes were 'uncovered' after a review. Trumps request was to look again with a positive assertion that there were at least 11,000 plus more that would be found with the right kind of review. Of course you also assert there was nothing shady in the counting of votes in GA. Your evidence is hardly indisputable but please share it if you must.
That was an awfully special number for someone who was merely concerned about making sure the count was legitimate.
So? Maybe that’s what his strategists calculated could be missing.
Yes. It was specific. The number of fraudulent votes needed to change an outcome. He didnt say to stop looking for fraud after. He also didn't say to commit fraud. I swear some of you leftists here are borderline retarded.
Borderline?
There's no borderline with Mike.
It's a good thing that your sub-70 IQ mind is not a substitute for reality and the law, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. Want to link to that indisputable evidence, sealion? You know, like how you demand evidence of election fuckery every day despite having been linked to it hundreds of times without refuting even one reference.
Tulpa's back.
Speak for yourself, retard.
Like a fuckin’ ray of sunshine.
Are you willing to condemn Shrike as a pedophile?
If by "once" you mean "last week when I was shilling the latest ActBlue talking points and regurgitating the latest WALLS ARE CLOSING IN MSDNC headlines"
You were once foolish enough to post dark web links to hardcore child pornography and get your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned, too. Nobody ever accused you of being anything more than a retarded piece of shit pedophile.
Note Mike implies the ideal situation is for Trump to be locked up. No mention for a specific crime.
Then goes into the false narrative about Trump asking Ga to continue finding fraudulent votes. For example the 5000 double voters they found.
San Francisco has lost Bill Maher.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/18/bill-maher-torches-san-franciscos-crazy-reparations-plan/
“I mean it seems like, you know, when people ask why are you talking against the woke craziness- because it’s crazy. Isn’t that crazy?” Maher said. “And by the way, San Francisco doesn’t have a history of slavery or anything like that, you know. It would cost every citizen left $600,000 each. This is madness, is it not?”
The reparations are so insane I keep looking for James O'Keefe to surface.
Anatomy of a SPB Post:
1) Pretend like you care about the issue at hand.
2) Change the subject
A few years back SPB posted kiddy porn to this site, and his initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead SPB keeps showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get him to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate, and link to the evidence of his wrongdoing.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
Don't respond to SPB, just shun him.
You should be more worried about Chris Hansen showing up than James O'Keefe.
You do know that a number of us here would be happy to dox you to law enforcement over your pedophilia, right? Knowing that, why would you put yourself at risk by coming back repeatedly when you can go somewhere else where your status as a child rapist is unknown?
I hope he gets served a no knock warrant by a SWAT team lead by that asshole cop who se cited that guy in an Arizona hotel back in 2016. At least it would a,low that piece of shit to serve a useful purpose by removing Shrike form this world.
Woke Republicans.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/18/democrats-arent-the-only-ones-to-tow-the-woke-line-gop-will-too/
I received call after call this weekend from big-donor types who made it clear that my position on SVB is a red line, and that if I continue to spout such views, they’ll take their big donor money elsewhere.
This also explains why many Republicans who privately agree with me refuse to say so in public.
One of the most prominent Republicans in America privately texted me in recent days after seeing my crusade against Silicon Valley cronyism: “I basically agree that the systemic risk fear was overblown.”
The american political scene is NFL football. Sure, the Patriots want to beat Green Bay. Sure, Green Bay wants you to be a loyal fan. But they are all part of the same league. Even if the Patriots win the Superbowl, the owners, coaches and players in Green Bay get fat paychecks, and they aren’t going to do anything to jeopardize that.
There are many, many republicans who would rather be runners up in their safe congress seats if the alternative means blowing up the entire system. This happened in California, where the GOP acceded to a redistricting that ensured they would never be competitive at the state level again, just so long as they had a few safe seats for the establishment types in rural California.
Like the current Speaker of the House?
The new religion of the authoritarian left.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/18/how-trans-activism-became-the-new-religion-of-the-left/
Now Pres. Biden—in concert with trans-activists—has discovered an unlikely tool with the potential to upend this debate altogether: Religion.
Indeed, the trans movement has vocally emerged as a new religion for the left—with Biden aching to be their priest and pastor.
Biden has every right to describe Florida’s legislation as “terrible” or “cruel.” These are political arguments, whether folks agree with them or not. But by using the word “sinful,” the president has intentionally crossed over from the political into the religious.
Corruption, it's The Biden Way.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/18/corruption-does-the-talking-for-joe/
The GOP victory that gave the party control of the House of Representatives is already producing crucial information that House Dems scandalously kept secret for more than two years.
Even the Department of Justice, supposedly investigating Hunter Biden since at least 2018, apparently wasn’t interested in major evidence hiding in plain sight.
Most important, the probers are doing it in the way made famous by Watergate — following the money.
Trying to use a female model for male mental health - square peg, round hole.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/18/how-to-treat-mens-mental-health/
There was a time when the American Psychological Association (APA), the organization responsible for accrediting psychologists in the U.S., appeared open to the idea of “male-based depression.”
Back in 2005, the APA noted that those in the psychological community were “coming to think that the traditional signs of depression (sadness, worthlessness, excessive guilt) may not represent many men’s experience of a depressive period.”
Unfortunately, not long after, the “sex is a construct” narrative started gaining traction, and the APA began denying that differences between the sexes actually exist.
Area man complains his local pizza place doesn't serve sushi
InsaneTrollLogic complained that "Govanni's Pizza", his local pizza joint, refused on a number of occasions to serve him sushi, saying that they were a pizza place. "I don't understand it", he said. "they're a restaurant and I'm a customer. Whatever happened to 'the customer is always right'?" A spokesperson for "Giovanni's Pizza" said that there was a sushi restaurant only a mile away but that Mr Logic was too lazy to drive that far.
"
Not funny. Actually Toxic.
Keep taking the Aricept, there's a good chap.
Not your best work British Shrike. Also out of this socks character. Should have been a fish and chips place not serving sushi to keep up with the character.
Fuck off you cracker POS.
I was remaining consistent with the Onion's "area man"-type story. (Though FWIW sushi has been readily available in England, or at least, London, for 40 years.)
No British shrike. You messed up again. Do better woth your various socks.
Having 100% of the same views as your soros loving pedophile sock makes things too obvious.
It was there fish and chips that was the British reference dummy. Not the sushi. Try harder.
He's the only brit that uses the term cracker
If it walks like a Shrike, sounds like a Shrike, types like a Shrike, and stinks like a Shrike, then it must be Shrike.
I've lived in the US for 25 years, and am familiar with much American slang. And between books, TV and film, even in Britain one would have come across the term.
So fuck off
Are you a resident of DogDick, GA?
We don't have 100% of the same views, though your apparent belief that sushi is this American food unavailable in Britain is certainly consistent with your being a 100% ignorant seppo.
Cite one time you haven't pushed one of your narratives or views on both socks.
We tend to be concerned about different things so we don't follow the same narratives. We both dislike Trump intensely of course, but that's not unique.
Still, cite one time where you haven't agreed with Sevo, Mother's Lament, Gabrielle Gaymon, etc. You all coincidentally have the same opinion of Biden. Does that make you or them a sock? (Well, I suspect that Gabrielle Gaymon is a sock but I can't prove it...)
Look, at this point, there's no evidence that would persuade you otherwise, because either you don't believe it anyway but are just lying about it for fun, which is understandable though it would make it all the more evident that you're a dishonest POS, ("oh wait, shrike uses the phrase POS, he must be an American") or you just can't accept being wrong all these months.
"Here is a voice clip"
JesseAZ: "you have an English friend"
"Here's my FB page"
"That could be someone else with the same initials"
"Here are photocopies of my two passports"
"Photoshop".
Except you haven't done any of that.
I wasn’t asked to provide that information. Are you going to ask me?
I was just suggesting what that fat cracker's response would be based on the dishonesty he's already displayed. As indeed would yours be, because if anything you're more dishonest than him. I already supplied you with enough material aside from punting.
Another shrike euphemism. Good work govna.
Shrike doesn’t hide his ticks all that well.
I have disagreed with those mentioned on abortion, retaliatory tariffs, and other topics. I've been in conversations with many of them espousing a different view. I'm not an idealist libertarian and believe all idealistic philosophies lead to authoritarianism as it requires everyone to believe the same.
I'm more in a federalist vein of being an inverted power structure from what it is. Most power locally.
So want to try again?
Now where do you disagree with your other sock?
Now where do you disagree with your other sock?
I don't have another sock. But as for your disagreements, you hide them pretty well.
I don't pay enough attention to shrike to know what his opinions are nor do I care. I do know that we don't tend to overlap much when it comes to topics. He seems to be an opponent of the Iraq War, IIRC, whereas I was in principle fine with the war, but the incompetence of the post-war planning, and the consequences of that incompetence, were so bad that knowing how incompetent it was, as a practical matter the war shouldn't have been fought. You'll note, too, that I am uninterested in Hunter Biden one way or another - aside from noting that I've been convinced not to vote for him - and nor do I mention Biden much, because I don't care enough.
And astonishingly I agree with some of what you say here:
I’m not an idealist libertarian and believe all idealistic philosophies lead to authoritarianism as it requires everyone to believe the same. I’m more in a federalist vein of being an inverted power structure from what it is. Most power locally.
I don't agree that idealistic philosophies necessarily require everyone to sign up but I am a David Brin-type, i.e., pragmatic, libertarian because historically, most idealistic philosophies lead to authoritarianism in practice because their leaders feel that it's the only way to implement them, or else, the failure to implement them - particularly hard-core or dogmatic libertarianism - is due to their being unimplentable, so don't attempt it.
And I agree with you to an extent about (secular) subsidiarity, while recognising that it brings its own threats, and that sometimes the higher, er, power, needs to step in. After all, during the civil rights activism of the 50s/60, it was the local institutions that were the threat to the liberty of many citizens, not the Federal government.
If one regards political decisions as analogous to economic decisions, we know that centralised economic decision making, as seen in fundamentally socialist economies, does not work (the resource allocation problem amongst other things) then too perhaps centralised political decision making will often fail on similar grounds.
"...We both dislike Trump intensely of course, but that’s not unique..."
Correct. TDS affliction is quite common to TDS-addled shit-piles.
Please tell us which POTUS did better than Trump in the last 100 years, TDS-addled shit-pile.
We don’t have 100% of the same views
Big Government Trump conservatives HATE classic liberals like me. They need to join forces with progs to pass things like prohibition.
And laws against pedophilia and distribution of child pornography.
You’re a classical liberal like Tony is a straight man in his 70’s.
It is true. I can attest that I have personally eaten sushi in London.
I’ll even give the name and address of the restaurant:
Yuki
1 Dover St
London
W1S 4LD
England
Cite?
Who wants to bet the farthest White Mike, world traveler extraordinaire, has ever been from the west coast, is to a time share in Florida and a day trip across the Mexican border with his Dad?
Yes, yes, I know he claims his wife has relations in Hong Kong, but there's always been a bit of creativity to those stories.
Nah Mike is your typical SV liberal, so he has been around the block.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210423230713/http://laursen.org/Issuefish/
Holy smokes. He was using a pic from the 80's in 2004? That's hilarious.
LOL. That's exactly how I pictured him, right down to the toupee.
CLOSE CONTEST: Laursen narrowly won a spot in the 2004 General election when he defeated John Webster by 2 votes (0.4%)
http://www.joincalifornia.com/candidate/5393
http://www.laursen.org/mikeblogger/
Monday, May 11, 2009
Confrontation: Did Aikido Help?
This morning was the first time since I've started studying the self-defense art of Aikido that I faced a confrontation where I might have to physically defend myself...
The situation: I pulled my car up to the air pump at the local gas station to check my tires. Just as I'm getting out of my car, a guy in a lowrider car, covered in prison tattoos, suddenly appears about 25 feet behind me, swearing at me: "F---ing asshole!", over and over again...
Here's where I think Aikido helped. First of all, no, I didn't even consider doing some awesome technique on him...
I got in my car and drove away...
https://web.archive.org/web/20110118004834/http://www.laursen.org/
Nice try, Shrike, but really rather lame when all is said and done. Don’t quit your 50 cent day job for stand up comedy.
And don't keep posting irrelevant stuff just because you feel the need to post and there's no new relevant thread for you to spew your drivel.
Poor shrike.
Aricept not working? Sorry to hear that,
Poor Shrike.
Poor Shrike.
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Just sad.
overly profligate Federal Reserve
Despite what Cro-Magnon libertarians claim there is no way a person can blame the mortgage bubble on the Fed. The pre-2008 Fed had not engaged in QE and interest rates had been "normal" while the bubble blew up. Of course Cro-Magnon libertarians tend to blame everything on the Fed instead of an irrational tulip-mania mortgage market.
OT: Just turned off Fox News where they were celebrating the 20th anniversary of the beginning of the Iraq War. Yes, no shit. Celebrating the Bushpigs disasters.
Holy shit, I will never forget Chimpy McFlightsuit landing on the deck of that aircraft carrier with his stunt pilot juicing conservatives up with MISSION ACCOMPLISHED NIGGAS!! WOO WOO MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! WE BAD! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED WOO WOO!!!
I was never more ashamed to be an American. And thus began my long feud with Bible Beating WOO WOO conservatives.
You must admit that people like it when home prices go up, and governments from federal to local have been crafting policies to oblige, encouraging the housing bubble, right?
Sure, but there was no housing bubble back then. There was a mortgage bubble though. A woman I knew had eight condos in Florida she was flipping because “home prices never go down”. And they hadn’t prior to 2007. When the merry-go-round stopped she lost big. The “easy credit” was a market distortion caused by poor risk management.
People respond to incentives? I never!
IIRC Miami was one of the metropoleis which experienced the greatest price drops post 2007, the others being Phoenix and Las Vegas, at least, according to Case-Shiller.
It wasn't just flippers, though. There was a ton of over-development by resi developers sure that prices would keep going up. In the words of a M&T banker I met, "these guys think that property development is better than Vegas".
Over 50% of foreclosures back then were in four states - CA, FL, AZ, and NV.
Conservatives tried to blame the Mortgage Crisis on "banks forced to loan to blacks" but that was easily disproven. It is similar to today when they tried to blame the current crisis on ESG and "wokeness". Same mentality. Conservatives racialize everything.
BTW, turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit
Lol. Literally nobody said anything of the kind then or now, shreek. No-doc loans and FHA subprime mortgages went to illegal immigrants, blacks, and poor white trash all alike because the cargo cultists you worship decided that home ownership was the cause of middle class values rather than the effect. But yeah, it's conservatives who racialize everything, not you who invented a racial angle that never existed for a 15 year old economic disaster caused by the policies you are pushing today while you cheerlead for actual no-shit ESG racial supremacy.
You're at your best when you're getting banned for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography. Leave the economic analysis to better 50 centers.
I had to help keep a relative afloat after they treated the housing market like a casino and ended up bankrupt.
In your rowboat?
Couldn't they have just lived in one of the numerous residential and commercial units you built as a professional developer, or was that during one of your other imaginary career timelines, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.?
I may well have said I was a “professional developer” —- I am a professional software developer. You probably misunderstood.
Yeah. People love it.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/homeowners-insurance/rumblings-rate-hikes/
https://www.brookings.edu/research/whos-to-blame-for-high-housing-costs-its-more-complicated-than-you-think/
Fucking idiot.
People want their homes to rise in value but don’t like it when the cost of housing goes up. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
What’s your point?
Although those are often two separate groups of people: those who already own a home vs those who want to own one.
The United States faced an economic downturn in the 2010s following the collapse of housing prices during the Great Recession. However, by the end of the decade, many urban areas were experiencing a housing affordability crisis, which was widely attributed to a lack of available housing.
This shift occurred quickly and was largely driven by zoning regulations. This may seem counterintuitive, as the conventional view of the Great Recession suggests that a bubble in the housing market was caused by a combination of loose monetary policy visit https://oreed.org/en/article/top-8-event-promotion-ideas-that-drive-results, government-subsidized credit, and unscrupulous lenders. This theory is supported by individuals across the political spectrum, from leftists and liberals to libertarians and conservatives.
Relevance to my comment?
Let me recite your comment.
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You must admit that people like it when home prices go up, and governments from federal to local have been crafting policies to oblige, encouraging the housing bubble, right?
Nothing about costs in there. Rising costs are an impediment to first time homeowners. They do not like rising costs. It increases property taxes and home owners as it rises. They do not like the rising prices. Only on sale does one like the rising costs. And even there it is a net wash if buying a new home in an increased market.
Banks, title, and real estate agents love rising costs. Most others just deal with it.
Try owning a home and not renting a single room apartment to find this out.
There is no single cause of the mortgage bubble. However, IMO the earliest identifiable contributing factor goes back to 1984, when Wall Street firms such as Goldman Sachs said that the default rates on mortgages were so low - 0.5% was a commoonly quoted figure - that it was not cost-effective to perform due diligence on individual mortgages when structuring mortgage-pooled securities. They did not consider that it was only the presence of due diligence that kept the default rate so low.
Right.
UBS offers up to $1 billion for Credit Suisse in race to save bank, Financial Times reports
https://www.reuters.com/business/crunch-time-credit-suisse-talks-ubs-seeks-swiss-assurances-2023-03-19/
Take under in process. Value of CS was $8 billion on Friday close.
CS shareholders screwed.
Big TBTF US banks are fortresses thanks to Bernanke-Obama.
Successful business is able to buy unsuccessful business. Shocking.
Credit Suisse is a global financial giant founded in 1856.
One of the two big Swiss banks known for stability and strength.
Remember turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit
One of the two big Swiss banks known for stability and strength.
Too bad that is no longer the case.
And they turned down the 25 cents on the dollar offer. If they hold out a little longer they might get 15. Again, Biden's economy is just killing it world wide.
Actually pushing mortgage back securities was the cause. It was passed in 98 and when it was passed a writer for the nyt pointed out that it will collapse within a decade
Mortgage-backed securities had been in existence for at least a generation or more before 1998, so what the fuck are you talking about?
And one issue was the repackaging of mortgages into progressively more and more complex structures which investors bought despite not truly understanding.
Go ahead, you can say it. Toxic assets.
Like the stopped watch, for once you're right. Some of these repackaged mortgage assets were toxic from the start, and some became toxic later.
And what made them toxic?
What made them toxic was the mortgages underlying them, combined with how the bonds were structured. It's possible to have a mortgage structure that generates a toxic asset even if the underlying mortgages are sound, and a morrtgage structure with a non-toxic asset even if the underlying mortgages are unsound: it all depends on how the cash flows from the mortgages are distributed to the different bonds that form the overall structure.
How does this differ from the SVB situation?
SVB didn't have toxic assets - at least, not enough to matter. They just had a serious asset/liability mismatch and managed the risk poorly.
Lol. The cause of the asset/liability mismatch was the toxic assets that were insufficient to cover liabilities, shreek. Kinda like how those MBS were all AAA-rated pillars of financial stability, until they weren't.
"I don't have a crippling gambling addiction, I just have a serious asset/liability mismatch and managed the risk poorly."
…. serious asset/liability mismatch and managed the risk poorly.
Also known as having toxic assets.
Also known as having toxic assets.
No. You're flatly wrong about this. What makes an asset toxic is its inherent quality and liquidity, not that someone paid a price for it now higher than it was. An asset may turn out to have been a bad investment but that is not a synonym for toxicity.
i don't know why you have a problem grasping this.
More about toxic assets
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/government-bonds-held-at-banks-may-be-so-called-toxic-asset-of-next-financial-crisis-fund-manager-says-4ccf6b08
You are an obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit, and not nearly as bright as you, in your arrogance, hope others might take you for:
SRG 5 hours ago
"...What makes an asset toxic is its inherent quality and liquidity, not that someone paid a price for it now higher than it was. An asset may turn out to have been a bad investment but that is not a synonym for toxicity..."
"...How an Asset Goes Toxic
A toxic asset can best be described through an example. John buys a house and takes out a $400,000 mortgage loan with a 5% interest rate through Bank A. Through the process known as securitization, Bank A turns the loan into a mortgage-backed security and sells it to Bank B. Bank B now owns an income-producing asset: the 5% mortgage interest paid by John. John continues to pay his mortgage because home prices are rising and his mortgage is shrinking. He's building up equity that he can tap into at some future date. Everybody wins.
Then home prices start falling. It turns out John borrowed more than he could afford, and the house is worth less than he owes on it. John defaults on his mortgage. Bank B no longer receives the payments to which it is entitled. The house can be sold at a loss if at all. Bank B's mortgage-backed security has become a toxic asset..."
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/toxic-assets.asp
Similarly, when SVB had to find cash, the Treasuries had become underwater; "toxic assets".
Yes, many people hate you on sight; saves them time.
@Refugio
Lol. The cause of the asset/liability mismatch was the toxic assets that were insufficient to cover liabilities, shreek. Kinda like how those MBS were all AAA-rated pillars of financial stability, until they weren’t.
Your Harvard diploma appears to be pretty useless here.
It wasn't MBSs or CLOs or junk bonds that brought down SVB - the specific cause was being long long-duration USTs and then yields rose sharply. Duh. Don't pretend to a knowledge you lack.
2007/2008 was very different. Firms didn't go down due to UST yields rising, but to a combination of horribly impaired collateral (the underling mortgages), ratings agencies conflicts of interest, quasi-fraudulent financial engineering - notable how Blankfein misled the Senate when giving evidence on this by eliding between trading and origination, etc. SVB was far simpler and hence stupider.
@DLAM: note the quotes around “toxic”. I bet you spent hours looking for anything which would allow you to say that USTs are toxic. As is evident from the article, it’s simply an analogy here.
Did you even read the article?
Crawford’s comments aren’t meant to imply that Treasurys are literally akin to the opaque, hard-to-sell assets that were at the heart of the subprime mortgage crisis more than a decade ago; instead, he’s referring to the failure of some banks to adequately manage their interest-rate risks, which makes it harder for them to hold certain Treasurys to maturity in the event of a mass withdrawal of customers’ deposits.
What did I give as the reason for SVB’s failure?
Oooh boy more toxic stuff.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/credit-suisse-writes-down-17-204603194.html
“…Your Harvard diploma appears to be pretty useless here…”
Your credential claims appear to make you look like an arrogant asshole.
"@DLAM: note the quotes around “toxic”. I bet you spent hours looking for anything which would allow you to say that USTs are toxic. As is evident from the article, it’s simply an analogy here."
At steaming pile of shit SRG; note the use of quotes around "toxic assets" most everywhere. I'll looks like you spent hours trying to find some 'vintage whine'. And failing.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled asshole.
As the Great Recession caused property values to plummet, the United States economy experienced a dip in the 2010s. By the end of the decade, however, many major cities were facing a housing affordability problem that was generally accepted to be the result of an inadequate supply of dwellings.
Zoning laws were a major factor in the rapid development of this area. This goes against the grain, as the common narrative of the Great Recession holds that a housing bubble was brought on by a confluence of factors, including easy money online group therapy at https://www.joinkaya.com/resources, cheap credit from the government, and dishonest lenders. Those on the far left and far right, as well as libertarians and conservatives, are all on board with this thesis.
Lol.
"And thus began my long feud with Bible Beating WOO WOO conservatives."
Liar.
Bill Kristol wrote an entire book promoting that war. And you like him now because he's a Democrat. You constantly link to his new venture The Bulwark.
You also constantly defend Joe Biden, who as a Senator voted for the war.
#NotFoolingAnyone
The Bulwark is home to one of the few female libertarians - Reason's own Cathy Young.
You know as well as I do that the GOP is now the party of Big Government Trumpism.
Neocons AND small government Republicans are looking for new homes. Good for them.
Yeah! Good for neocons!
They're still the same "Israel first" bloodthirsty warmongering chickenhawks they always were ...... but now they realize they belong with you in the Democratic Party! Just endorse straight (D) from now on and it's all good!
It's like every day you find new ways to demonstrate what a shameless hack you are. 🙂
#DefendDemocratsAtAllCosts
"The Bulwark is home to one of the few female libertarians"
There are zero libertarians working at the Bullwank, and that includes Cathy Young. In fact the Bulwark itself is not just hostile, but antithetical to libertarianism.
Like Shikha Dalmia, Emma Camp, ENB and Fiona, Cathy Young is proof that you don't have to be actually libertarian to get a job here. Just be big on Charles Koch's open borders agenda.
Well, they certainly have been the Trump Party. But they are in a state of crisis right now where they are fighting out internally whether to be the Trump Party or the DeSantis Party. The "let's go back to being Bush Republicans" contingent even has a shot at this point.
Cite?
Cite?
Cite?
Fuck it. Cite?
After the Great Recession, property values plummeted and the US economy slumped. By the conclusion of the decade, many metropolitan regions and bonvia natural sweetener at https://naturawellnessfoods.com/ had a housing affordability issue due to a scarcity of homes.
Zoning laws accelerated this change. This may seem contradictory, given the popular understanding of the Great Recession argues that lax monetary policy, government-subsidized lending, and unethical lenders generated a housing market bubble. Leftists, libertarians, and conservatives endorse this viewpoint.
Did the 2007 housing crisis force you to post your Biz-Op bullshit 15 years later?
The oracle of Dog Dick will now explain how the government directly purchasing and securitizing junk mortgages into AAA-rated MBS with the cooperation of their regulated oligopoly ratings agencies was tulip-mania and the Fed keeping interest rates below 1% for 7 years following 9/11 had nothing to do with blowing up a bubble in mortgages immediately following the bust of the tech bubble that Greenspan inflated a decade earlier.
He will also explain how his 20 year obsession with the war in Iraq began inbetween whacking off to pics of Biden in his aviators visiting Zelensy on the front lines of The Good War.
Tell me, shreek, was it Bush who made you post those dark web links to hardcore child pornography and get your original Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned?
Time for the monthly libertarian zoning bash?
So, what are the acceptable free market alternatives? How can average people make the biggest and most fixed purchase of their lives, and also the anchor of where and how they live, and not have that upturned by what someone decides to do on a neighboring property? Are you zealots really OK with a new industrial operation, all night outdoor rave center, or 10 story apartment block on the other side of your fence?
And by all means let people live on a flood-prone area, provided they then don't expect government rescue when the area floods, nor expect insurance subsidies.
Because you could say that risk would be at Toxic levels.
Where are these rising flood levels in Britain?
As I have said before, I moved to the US a while ago - in 1997 to be specific. I presume you're aware that some parts of the US are prone to floods.
And the British shrike back story continues to evolve. Good work. Were you forced out of Britain after the crack down on migrant grooming gangs in Rotherham? That would add a good twist.
Like Britian is ever going to crack down on migrant grooming gangs.
Oh fuck off again. I have been consistent all the way, which is easy to do when all I have to do is tell the truth.
But according to you, I should have used fish and chips rather than sushi when doing an Onion rip-off, and that's supposed to be a tell. If I were doing a Daily Mash ripoff, then I would have used fish and chips - or nowadays, more likely a kebab shop.
Or, you could try to generate original material, instead of plagiarism.
Imitation of style for parodic purposes is not plagiarism. If I had actually copied an Onion article, then it would have been, but I didn't.
Plagiarizing shrike with the 100% agreement of narratives, epitaph, and leftist worship.
Please push the great party switch of the 1970s again and the KKK being republican. Lol.
More bullshit from you. And I am too much a fan of free trade and capitalism to be a leftist. And I have no need to plagiarise shrike or anyone else.
Now why don't you go back to complaining about your doctor refusing to prescribe you Viagra because your blood pressure is too high?
When I challenged him on his claims of an Oxford education, he came up with a story about punting there, which is pretty much the most stereotypically touristy thing one can do there. It must've been the first thing that popped up in a web search.
And when I mocked him about his story of punting on the Thames, he snootily said no, it was the Cherwell. He must've looked up "river in Oxford" and never read further, because any Oxfordian knows the Cherwell is a small tributary of the Thames that becomes the Thames proper at the Oxford boat house.
Oh, there goes MoLam being a dishonest fuckwit again. As I: noted, any evidence I provided would be twisted by you. If I mentioned my degree subject, could have found that from the OU website. Details of accommodation? Queen's website. Details of life at Oxford? Some blog. And - conveniently for you if you want to keep up the dishonesty - if I did provide details that are not readily available online, e.g., that at Queen's College beer cellar dart scores start at the unusual 401, not the regular 301 or 501, you would say that as you can't corroborate, I'm just making it up.
So you can say, oh, he used a common tourist thing, but reality is you wouldn't have accepted any evidence that anyone could possibly provide.
The Cherwell is not the Thames. A tributary is not the river. No-one from Oxford would talk about punting on the Thames when they'd be punting on the Cherwell. And btw you forget the wooden v aluminium pole details, and a few other details I later provided, such as the Bulldog, and my possessing a Queen's College freshman photo, which would really only make sense if I went to the Queen's College. And I also offered to show two photos of the Queen's Bench annual dinner,
I think I have even asked you what evidence you would accept, but you declined.
But you're not interested in actual evidence, just perpetuating your dishonesty.
Shreek doesn't have the balls to post his diploma. Not like me. Beat that appeal to authority, CRACKER!
Refugio Wysock: I can’t post my diploma for the simple reason that I failed my finals at Oxford and am hence a BA (Oxon) (fail) – google it – or rather, now an MA (Oxon) fail, because I needed to apply for the upgrade to an MA and get rejected before I could call it an MA (Oxon) (fail). I don’t know if Oxford and Cambridge still do this but time was 7 years after matriculating your BA degree would get upgraded from BA to MA on payment of some notional amount – £10 or so, but everyone knew that if you put MA (Oxon) or MA (Cantab) after your name, you just had a BA. A masters would be M. Phil or – in the case of Jurisprudence – BCL (Bachelor of Civil Law).
Here are my two passports – name, DOBs, etc redacted but I preserved the initials and place of birth.
https://ibb.co/fdvcFd3
Shrike makes the same claims as he defends Biden and pushes Soros talking points. Your claims are empty govna.
Fuck off yet again. When do I defend Biden? And what Soros talking points am I pushing? He and I agree on free markets and capitalism, but so what.
Poor Gov’na Shrike.
Nobody really cares that much about you.
Obviously they do else they wouldn't bother. Ask yourself why.
Who woulda thunk: Tulpa is a Harvard (cock) graduate!
You gave up the pretense of trying to use British slang and devolved into your seething rhetorical tics within 2 days of starting this sock, shreek. If you weren't such an autistic fucking retard you'd realize how everyone spots your new socks immediately.
You can also fuck right off. I know some American slang – like cracker, mofo, etc. as anyone would who has lived here for years. And I continue to use some British slang as appropriate. Nothing beats “seppo” to demonstrate contempt for people like you.
“Seething rhetorical ticks”? Provide examples – if you can.
BTW I: already challenged MoLam to run text from both shrike and me through MS Word’s style check – and funnily enough he declined. I wonder why?
Your obsession with 2008 as the beginning and end of history is a good start since that's how you began this particular thread, but the first time you got enraged and reverted to the terms "bushpigs" and "fake scandal" were important touch points as well.
Lmfao. You're pretty fucking stupid, shreek, but even you can move around enough words to get past a basic style checker that can't even catch high school kids plagiarizing from Sparknotes. Now piss off, you nonce.
Your obsession with 2008 as the beginning and end of history
I have no such obsession and the only time I mention 2008 is in reference to the financial crisis, a subject about which I am fairly knowledgeable, having worked literally on Wall Street when it was going down.
You must be confusing me with Shrike. I have never used the term "bushpigs" and I don't recall ever using the term "fake scandal". I rarely mention Bush, or the war on Iraq.
even you can move around enough words to get past a basic style checker
Ah. And yet that lying cunt MoLam said that our styles were identical. Could you righties get your stories together? Are they the same style or not?
(wrong reply button)
"already challenged MoLam to run text from both shrike and me through MS Word’s style check – and funnily enough he declined."
I never declined, I didn't even see it. Where did you post it?
Making up scenarios is very Shrike like.
I never declined, I didn’t even see it. Where did you post it?
https://reason.com/2023/03/15/women-who-get-abortions-could-be-charged-with-homicide-under-south-carolina-bill/?comments=true#comment-9970613
And not only did I make that challenge, you responded to that actual post.
Making up scenarios is very Shrike like.
That makes you Shrike's Lament.
You're right. You did and I missed it. As you can see I was more confused about you bafflingly labeling two Buddhist sources as Christian, so I didn't really notice.
Inexcusable, and tomorrow I'll get right on to comparing Gibraltar Shrike with Georgian Shrike. Of course I'll be using your posts from several weeks ago.
Gibraltar Shrike
Even you should be able to accept that when someone says that they’re British and later moved to the US, having British and American passports and being born in Gibraltar is not only pretty good evidence that they are who they claimed to be, but is far beyond anything anyone opening a sock account would bother with.
By all means run the stylistic analysis – of course, if you weren’t so irrationally biased, you’d have spotted the stylistic differences without needing Microsoft to help you. And also provide links to the actual posts you used to test, just in case you're tempted to lie about it, or to go searching just for unrepresentative posts.
It’s almost too easy to spot his socks. It’s barely even a challenge. In a way, it’s kind of sad that Shrike can’t even stay in character enough to make his socks somewhat believable.
So you see things that aren't there. You should consult your copy of DSM - I'm sure you'll find a diagnosis somewhere.
Dogdick, Georgia, of all places.
Don't knock it.
As mayor I can proudly say that we have never had a municipal bond default.
Because nobody bought any ?
Well, it’s hard to issue them when the whole town is a small cardboard shack.
Yeah like mathas Vinyard. It will be underwater by 2015, oh 2020, oh wait I think they are up to 2025. Good thing Obama bought property there
Chocolate Jesus saved the island.
During the beginning of the 2010s, the United States was mired in the countrywide economic quagmire that followed the Great Recession's home price crashes. At the conclusion of the decade, there was a housing affordability issue in most metropolitan regions, which was mainly attributed to a lack of housing you can avail of digital services by Convert Bunny at https://www.convertbunny.com/.
This may seem counterintuitive. The mainstream view of the Great Recession is that excessive demand for housing, spurred by a mix of lax monetary policy, government-subsidized lending, and unscrupulous lenders, built a bubble that was destined to burst. Under this view, leftists, liberals, libertarians, and conservatives may all find common ground.
Are Convert Bunnies as obnoxious and pushy as new converts to anything? Your sentence doesn't even make sense.
"And by all means let people live on a flood-prone area, provided they then don’t expect government rescue when the area floods, nor expect insurance subsidies."
You seem to find that 'improper', unless, being called on bullshit once again, you claim it was intended as humor.
"So, what are the acceptable free market alternatives? How can average people make the biggest and most fixed purchase of their lives, and also the anchor of where and how they live, and not have that upturned by what someone decides to do on a neighboring property?"
That is the conundrum. Zoning policies are decidedly non-libertarian. On the other hand, most people (even most libertarians) are concerned with what their neighbor might put up on the lot next to their property.
Unfortunately, once the government starts treating private property as "the commons," there are no boundaries. Government rules beget more rules, and more interference, until nobody is allowed to do anything on private property without the permission of the government. In some areas, even the style of architecture are decided for the homeowner by the government rather than the homeowner. Hardly an ideal situation.
The market dies have a solution. HOA agreements. If you want control of what your neighbors can do, that is an option.
"The market dies have a solution. HOA agreements."
The problem with HOA agreements is that they are passed down from one owner to the next. And the rules can be very difficult to change.
An HOA is a market, but it's the exact opposite of a "free market."
And some rules can be ridiculous -- my father-in-law lives in an HOA-controlled neighborhood. It is violation to park a brightly-colored vehicle in one's own driveway. My wife and I both flaunted this regularly when we sometimes took her habanero-orange Toyota to visit. Or my fluorescent-green Wrangler, for that matter.
I'm experiencing the bliss of living in an HOA-controlled neighborhood for the first time in my life.
One thing about HOA neighborhoods is they are typically short on people willing to volunteer to sit through endless meetings with members complaining about their neighbor's dog barking. If you are willing to volunteer for the board, you can assume a great deal of personal dictatorship over the HOA -- and maybe get the rules bent a bit regaring that RV you want to park in your side yard.
"If you are willing to volunteer for the board, you can assume a great deal of personal dictatorship over the HOA — and maybe get the rules bent a bit regaring that RV you want to park in your side yard."
This is also often true.
The the benifit of a political position is to be able to break the rules for yourself, and hold others to a higher standard?
Yep your a dem
Deep thinking is not his strong point.
One freely chooses to buy into HOA contracts. Not sure where you see issue.
Lots of developments are forced to create an HOA by the local government. Hardly free market.
Deed restrictions put in place by the original owner or developer?
Urban density also enables the frictionless interactions that are essential to innovation. "Face-to-face interactions generate a richer information flow that includes body language, intonation and facial expression and the opportunities they create for frequent, even spontaneous interpersonal collaboration,"
Thus why liberals dominate high-tech and knowledge based industry.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit
Thus why liberals dominate high-tech and knowledge based industry.
Too bad they all work from home. Fail.
And yet you live in Dog Dick Georgia collecting welfare while you post dark web links to hardcore child pornography on the internet.
Leftists demand we let kids be ready to by men in drag, including instances in Texas where a performer went without underwear flash kids.
LibsOfTikTok founder reads an anti grooming book? Threaten to blow up the library and shut it down.
BRAVE BOOKS
@BraveBooksUS
We have received threats of potentially inappropriate and unsafe behavior at the NYC story hour with Chaya Raichik on Sunday and have advised Chaya we cancel the event. With children being involved, we don’t want to take any chances.
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We will find a way to combat this moving forward. Stay tuned for an announcement in the coming days.
Why do conservatives want to ban Tranny-dancing? Just don't buy a ticket.
Last place you can stick your dick in a kids face and not get arrested, I see why you are always running cover for this.
Because conservatives no longer support liberty. They’ve figured that the only way to beat the left is to be just like them and use government as a weapon against their enemies. They scoff at the idea of protecting liberty. That’s why they hate libertarians.
Corrupting the minds of children is not liberty.
When does a minor become a major? Minors will always have less rights.
Freedom to fuck kids?
Why is it you Fulkerson only get upset when someone pushed back at the sexualization of kids?
You ignore censorship, clap for shooting Babbitt, cheer political prosecutions... but being against sexualizing children is the step too far for you.
Because conservatives no longer support liberty
The liberty to have kids watch a Santa with a strap-on dry hump "Screwdolph the red nippled reindeer"?
Because that actually happened and is what this is about: Miami hotel may lose liquor license after kids shown sexually explicit drag show
Nobody gives a fuck about drag shows and strip teases for adults. And nobody would give a fuck if kids were seeing drag performers dressed as Dame Edna and Mrs. Doubtfire. But that's not what's happening here.
It's time for you perverts to stop being dishonest about what people are upset over.
And the mystery of how sarcasmic lost custody of his daughter just continues to deepen...
The standard answer is they only want to prevent children from seeing tranny dancing. And that does seem to be about approximately 90% true, but you have to gloss over the existence of the hardcore conservative element who really does want to get rid of tranny dancing for adults, too.
"...but you have to gloss over the existence of the hardcore conservative element who really does want to get rid of tranny dancing for adults, too."
I also get that sense, as well.
For example?
Remember all the protests over Uncle Miltie's drag act, or Dame Edna, or Mrs. Doubtfire? Neither do I.
White Mike needs to pretend that people aren't just upset about sexualized performances for children, because otherwise his narrative falls apart.
"For example?"
A couple of the idiots who protested a drag show in my town. My town is most decidedly "conservative." And most of the people there were there for the same reason my wife and I were there -- entertainment. There were, however, a couple of folks who were obviously not there for the entertainment but to scowl at the performers and some audience members.
There DOES EXIST a "hardcore conservative element." Luckily it is not large. Noisy, sometimes, but not particularly large.
Those who’s opinions differ from yours are terrible people, right?
"Those who’s opinions differ from yours are terrible people, right?"
Of course not. That is ridiculous. If I only dealt with people who agreed with me, I would have no friends at all. I can find at least some common ground with just about anyone.
Except “hardcore” conservatives.
"Except “hardcore” conservatives."
Oh, bullshit. Let's try this: define "hardcore conservative" as you see it, issue-by-issue, and maybe we can discuss it.
You didn't seem too confused on what "hardcore conservative" meant when you replied to fluff your butt buddy Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. (dba Mike "White Mikey" Laursen), why does it need to be over-defined now that you've painted yourself into a corner with your idiotic appeal to an imaginary anecdote about rednecks in your town trying to fag drag some innocent crossdresser in their 1978 F-150?
"Hardcore conservative" coming from a typical California AWFL who simps for trannies could mean just about anyone except psychotic totalitarian leftists.
Well, that proves it then.
How do you know they were conservative? Why not religious leftists? Hell even Gays Against Groomers protests some of this shit.
"A couple of the idiots who protested a drag show in my town."
And were the performers in stereotypical hooker outfits and were children invited, or were they tastefully dressed or maybe the show was for adults only?
Since it's a fictional story, who knows
For the same reason conservatives like Mike Lee want to ban porn.
Conservative (definition) = a person who is afraid somebody somewhere else is having a good time.
(forgot who to attribute that to)
Coming from the "affirmative consent" brigade who insists that having sex with a willing woman constitutes rape if she changes her mind afterwards, it's hilarious to see conservatives castigated as scolds who want buzzkill everyone's good time by preventing men dressed up like women from flapping their cocks in the faces of 8 year old children.
How about you point out all the conservatives who’ve successfully banned porn, and I’ll point out all the progressives and we’ll see who has a higher tally, Shrike.
And afterwards you can explain to me how Labour governments in Australia, Iceland and the UK are actually somehow conservative.
"Conservative (definition) = a person who is afraid somebody somewhere else is having a good time."
Shrike (definition) = a person who relies exclusively on cheap sophistry like the quote above, to buttress his dubious narratives.
Cite?
Do you have a single citation of conservatives wanting that? Please point to those talking about the cult of transgenderism influencing kids.
Drag performers aren’t transexuals you ducking bigot.
They are now.
Trannies have displaced regular cross dressers.
Why do you think Dennis Rodman keeps trying to go to North Korea?
I got blocked by my uncle (the last member of their family who still talked to me) because I argued against child drag shows and called out his friends for being dishonest about both what is happening and what the goals are.
It's a bit of a shame, because I really do have some questions about how all 3 of their kids ended up being gay
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For the libertarians actually against political and targeted prosecutions (you can sit this one out sarc)
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In 2022, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg reduced 52% of all felony charges to a misdemeanor
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Now he’s elevating a misdemeanor to a felony that the feds refused to prosecute to indict President Trump
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Criminals roam free. Political opponents go to jail.
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This is your third world country
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Want some examples? Alvin Bragg gave a misdemeanor to a man who committed an anti-Semitic assault in Times Square, to a man who robbed a drug store at knifepoint, and to a man with 36 priors charged with grand larceny who proceeded to assault a woman on the street.
Yes, but those guys aren’t Trump.
Pretty sure Reason can make a libertarian case for banana republic criminal prosecutions. It's been a work in progress since at least J6.
When the DA backs down from the arrest they will blame Trump for threatening to destroy the nation.
No, the main thing will be "Trump made it up for attention" (even though it was published before Trump ever said anything).
The Twitter "influencers" have been bleating endlessly that he made it up.
Worst part is, it's a bunch of "conservative influencers" who seem to be on someone's payroll now (maybe Koch...).
They make it appear as if they're (unofficially) part of the DeSantis campaign, and it's been an absolutely horrible look for RDS. They even have me wondering if the country's greatest governor is really GOPe and his performance all an act to get him in the Whitehouse then screw us over.
If they are being paid/run by someone directly with Team DeSantis, that person needs to be fired immediately.
But now I'm wondering if it's a 3rd party, because their approach has been so childish and over-the-top alienating that it risks driving a significant portion of Trump voters away from DeSantis even if he were to become the 2024 nominee.
Indeed, a lot of their vitriol is directed at Trump voters, not just the man himself.
Even a person who believes the election isn't already rigged would have to know that DeSantis (or any R nominee) wouldnt stand a chance if too many Trump voters are driven away.
Good opportunity for some digging...
Sad and unstable life becomes rabid Trump partisan.
That would be funny if it weren't - well- sad.
The pathetic whines of TDS-addled shit-piles are worse yet.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, along with your PANIC flag, shit-pile
Coming from a deranged 9/11 Truther who thinks the CIA sabotaged the success of Chavista Venezuela and spent 3 years chicken-littling that COVID was going to kill over 1 billion people unless everyone in the free world went on the dole and wore paper masks on their face, this would be funny if it weren't - well - sad.
I live in Suffolk County NY. We probably have some of the most restrictive zoning in the whole country. Although at times it could be a real pain in the ass to get something approved I want to point out the benefits. No matter how hard it rains our town doesn’t flood. The water that falls on your property has to have the capacity to absorb it or not overwhelm the storm water collection system . Our roads are easy to navigate do to the attention paid to traffic flows and volume. We don’t have sewers on the North Shore so not exceeding the capacity of the ground to absorb our waste is a good thing considering the fact that our ground water is beneath our feet. Our schools are some of the finest in the country. Since land development is restricted we have to make sure our tax base can support our infrastructure. We do have apartment and Condo developments where it can be supported. All of these rules where developed over decades in response to issues that had to be dealt with. I always thought the libertarian way was to let people live the way they want to . No one is being forced to live in my community and besides it’s my business if I choose to care or not care about the wellbeing of someone I don’t even know .
Sounds like some white privileging.
Exactly and don’t forget white supremacist .
Got it. Rules are OK if you aren't personally bothered by them. But god forbid someone wants to build an apartment complex, then bring the iron fist down on them!
Three socks in one thread, shreek?
It’s still not his record. I saw one recently with five of them, and he had them talking to each other.
@johnhawkinsrwn
This is some ultra-weird shit for a hockey team to be tweeting about, bro.
https://twitter.com/SanJoseSharks/status/1637293669563928577?t=y08qVR21ykA6Rkm41sosng&s=19
Worldwide, gender diversity is seen far differently than that in the Western World or as you may know it. Most of us are familiar with the male, female, and transgender labels. But in other cultures, the existence of “the third gender” or even fourth and fifth genders is common:
The muxe gender is a respected third gender in Zapotec cultures in Oaxaca, Mexico that has existed for centuries. Gunaa are those who were born as men but who identify as women & are attracted to men. The Nguii are those who were born as men and are attracted to other men.
Source:
-Book “Living in Modern America” by Sara Salam
and
Inter American Development Bank: [link]
The Ninauposkitzipxpe were honored as a third gender in the North Peigan tribe of the Blackfoot Confederacy in northern Montana and Southern Alberta, Canada.
In some Native American cultures, the umbrella term to describe a third gender is “two-spirit.” In South Asia, it’s hijras. In Thailand, it’s kathoeys. In Ethiopia, it’s ashtime. In Polynesia, it’s fa’afafine. And many more.
That is not the official San Jose Sharks Twitter account. That's a random San Francisco faggot pretending to be affiliated with the Sharks and using the ac ount as a front to push his faghotry. Kind of sickening really.
Gay!
Zoning has a connection to the right not to associate. Choosing to live in one neighboring v another reflects a choice of culture and values. Some people value open space, the sounds (and smells) of domestic animals v the clamor of honking horns, all night gentleman bars, open drug markets, and tents on the sidewalk, etc.
And even more so these days, where one chooses to live reflects their political affiliation - a collectivism v individualistic life philosophy. People want to live in their comfort zone. Go figure.
Don’t like the zoning, chose another lifestyle and neighborhood.
Zoning is NOT freedom of association when it is voted on by government officials who shut out the public and post snipers on the rooftop of the County Seat for protesters outside, as happened in my County 34 years ago! Just when the former Soviets and the Eastern Bloc were renouncing Communism, my County was taking it up!
And zoning is ESPECIALLY not freedom of association when it applies to your property whether you consent or not! Dummy!
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Poor Misek
https://twitter.com/BrazilianFren/status/1636911591655452676?t=Gy2OoBq9pFRkMt_yNGHgfQ&s=19
When you mention the fact that by conservative estimates the Bolsheviks killed at least 60 million people most people don't care but when you deny the 6 million you're a "monster".
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“Conservative estimates the Bolsheviks killed at least 60 million” means that the Bolsheviks may have killed more but we don’t know how many. Not the same as Herr Misek’s Holocaust Denial. And for all we know, there may have been more than 6 million Jews killed and more than 5 million others killed as well.
But what do either of you care? You both support Putin who was part of the Bolshevik Communists!
Fuck Off to Herr Misek the Nazi and Fuck Off to you too, Dugin Hooligan Putineer!
Biden regime willing to fight until the last Ukrainian breaths his last breath.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/white-house-rejects-cease-fire-ukraine-china-mediation-intensifies
White House Rejects Ceasefire In Ukraine As China Mediation Intensifies
"The White House is already condemning any possible China-brokered peace plan initiative related to Ukraine before it even gets off the ground. Following Beijing confirming on Friday that Chinese President Xi Jinping will travel to Moscow on Monday through Wednesday to hold talks with President Vladimir Putin, the Biden administration is expressing concern and alarm over a potentially 'bad deal' for Ukraine.
White House national security spokesman John Kirby warned that any unconditional ceasefire would only benefit Putin and his forces as this point. This after it's also been revealed that Xi is expected to hold a phone call with Ukraine's Zelensky related to China's 12-point peace plan. "A cease-fire now is… effectively the ratification of Russian conquest," Kirby said. "And of course, it would be another continued violation of the U.N. Charter."
Hey, Raytheon has a lot of inventory to unload, got to keep this going for a while.
Well, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Ukraine's population was going to be cut in half over the next 50 years anyway, and 2/3 of that population will be over 40. Even without the war, Ukraine was doomed.
The Babushka Doll hasn't sang yet, Stepford Boy!
And since when does Mister "it's Not My Business" get to decide when, if, and on what terms peaceful, innocent Ukrainians or anyone else gets to die?
Get back to your little Stepford and forget you ever heard the word "Libertarian!"
And above all, Fuck Off, Moral Autist!
Oh yes, it has. But feel free to delude yourself about it.
How does “I wouldn’t worry about it” translate into “I order you to die”? Is it that you don't understand English or that you don't understand sarcasm? Oh, wait, it's both.
I don't really care what Ukrainians do either way, I just would prefer if the US stopped using my tax dollars to send these people weapons.
I don’t consider myself a “libertarian” because libertarianism is an ideology largely followed by morally reprehensible, preening virtue signalers like you, people who neither care about liberty nor morality.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1637488942596382722?t=DqXSNhXWo92qdXw0API9xA&s=19
The UN and Thomas & Friends have teamed up to turn your kids into psychotic Agenda 2030 activists through even more brainwashing.
Why is Thomas the Train teaching your kids about achieving the Sustainable Development Goals of Agenda 2030, which we are still to pretend is a conspiracy theory?
Because your kids are emotionally attached to him. That's why.
[Links, thread]
PS: It'll all get reinforced at school. The NEA and UNESCO, in connection with the WEF, have already adopted the SDGs of Agenda 2030 as an educational programming goal, with model curriculum starting in kindergarten, which picks right up where Thomas is.
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Then it will be Thomas the Tranny.
If only there was a way to not send your kids to a government run school.
Thanks to Biden’s shitty economic policies, there isn’t.
I thought Thomas was a monarchist.
https://twitter.com/CasuallyGreg/status/1637483570217521154?t=Udxh3Nct779WV53amUCXxQ&s=19
Things that are racist: [thread]
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Picnics
Peanut butter and jelly
Brownies
Dairy
Bicycling
Swimming
Running
Coffee
Food storage bins
Hiking
Forgot cleanliness.
Cleanliness is Sexist and Racist
"Cleanliness has historically been used as a cultural gatekeeping mechanism to reinforce status distinctions based on a vague understanding of “niceness”: nice people, with nice yards, in nice houses, make for nice neighborhoods.
What lies beneath the surface of this anti-messiness, pro-niceness stance is a history of classist, racist and sexist social structures."
I've suffered this oppression ever since my mom, a white cis woman, forced me to clean my room under threat of no TV or dessert. At the time I identified as Negro (this was the 60s and that word was still OK). Somehow I was able to rise above the white supremacist culture and become the slovenly unproductive person I wanted to be. I mean, what's the point of cleaning the toilet? It's gonna be full of shit again tomorrow.
I think swimming and hiking were invented before there were even multiple races.
It gets angry when you don't wear their symbols of conquest
https://twitter.com/linzsports/status/1637205372959064065?t=XF0S_6E2R-0KPRhZS1Drqg&s=19
Under the umbrella of disingenuous bullshit, you can fuck right off with this statement. If you truly believed the queer community is welcome in hockey, you’d wear the shirt. You do not get to have it both ways. Jesus is not impressed.
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Nobody is asking you to fuck a dude in the name of inclusion. It’s a t-shirt.
It’s obviously awful that so many hockey players, etc, won’t wear pride shirts. But what pisses me off even more is when they won’t wear pride shirts but still INSIST that they don’t hate the LGBTQ community. If you don’t hate the LGBTQ community, wear the shirt!! Simple!!
“I want to refuse to do this super simple thing that affirms the humanity of millions of people, but I don’t want anyone to be mean to me about it.”
Why do gays hate straight hockey players?
They suffer from toxic flamboyance?
Isn't it a First Amendment violation to force someone to say, write or display something?
1995: We're just looking for tolerance
2005: We just want equality. Love is love.
2012: Bake the cake, bigot
2019: Say my pronouns or lose your job
2021: Your children will watch transsexual strip shows
2023: Show obeisance to my symbols and bend the knee
True so far. That's what most gays and lesbians wanted, and mostly got.
This is after the neo-Marxists took over gay and lesbian organizations in the early 2000's.
You can see that changeover here.
As a cis-gendered gay white man who likes cis-gendered men, I have no place at "LGBT(Q) organizations" anymore.
Neo-Marxists came for gay and lesbian organizations in the same way they came for churches and many other organizations.
Radical idea: Why not let the owner of each property determine the optimal economic use for it? If someone sees a better use, they can offer to buy it from him or her.
Externalities like pollution could be prevented or factored in by lawsuits for damages. Communities and neighborhoods could set voluntary standards or covenants for upkeep/appearance/building heights/etc. People buying in would have to accept the covenants.
Well, that's why cities used to incorporate (you know, like a company or HOA), and then created covenants that we call "zoning". Then that system got hijacked by politicians, everybody got to vote, and the covenants and regulations were increasingly taken over by political processes.
And the same is starting to happen with HOAs.
Think of it as socialism in action.
This person gets it!
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A comment from a home owner regarding increasing density: I bought a house in a neighborhood zoned for single-family housing because I wanted to live in a neighborhood of single family homes, with yards, and kids playing in them, and neighbors to chat with across the fence. While I have a backyard that “could” hold another house, I saw how that worked when I lived in LA (two homes on lots designed for one) and decided that wasn’t for me, so I moved away. And yes, the price of homes, and rentals, has gone through the roof in the 35 years I have lived here. However, I made significant sacrifices to live here and I oppose re-zoning to increase density as it would defeat the reason for living here. If people want to live here, they are very much welcome, but make the sacrifices, or live somewhere else, as there are plenty of places to go.
That all said, the issues raised where zoning laws are abused by bureaucrats, and others, appear valid, like the “goat yoga” issue.
Any word on eo 14067? The Biden order?
What’s that?
Just building a narrative to BLAME Trump for this failed administration and another housing bubble bust surely to come??
Sincerely,
Reason Magazine..
Nothing means more than our HATE for President Trump.
Why the 'hate' will be filled in later.
See the actual details at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmatively_Furthering_Fair_Housing
Zoning really only affects areas where people want to live, and even then it's a small factor compared to the availability of land in the first place.
You used the McClosekys, but the city of St. Louis has literally 1000s of abandoned houses people could have for free if they wanted to fix them up (admittedly very costly) and live there
San Francisco OTOH is a desirably place to live, but zoning laws do keep new housing from being made. But realistically, how much housing could be added? Tens of thousands, maybe, but not enough to truly affect the market, unless you have tower after tower of cubicles.
I think his coverage of this issue makes it clear that he wants tower after tower of cubicles.
It's pretty disgusting that he uses the McCloskys as the lead-in here. He makes a couple who faced down rioters trespassing on their property into a soft target. Their criticisms were valid and Christian goes on to describe how he and progressives want to violate THEIR property rights.
A theory that explains everything can’t explain anything
See: Global Warming
Er, nope. It would not explain a decrease in extreme weather phenomena, it would not explain consistently falling annual global temperatures, it would not explain a consistent volume of summer sea ice in the Arctic, it would not explain equatorial glaciers retaining their ice unchanged in recent decades.
The libertarian and classically liberal view of zoning is that local home owners can “incorporate” (just like any other company), and set rules and covenants for how people build and live within the incorporated properties.
Unfortunately, the state and federal government have usurped the power of the property owners in such areas to democratically determine what happens with their property and given votes to people who merely rent but don’t own property. And now, to add injury on top of injury, people like Britschgi want to deprive home owners of the ability to even agree on property-related rules and covenants.
The next step in this development is to go through the same process with HOAs and deprive them of self-governance by the property owners as well, a process that has already started in several states.
This reduction of all private property to only personal property governed by state rules, this atomization of society, is pretty much the hallmark of Marxism and socialism.
And for good measure, Britschgi adds a bit of TDS on top of it all. You can't make up this stuff: Reason really has gone to sh*t.
All of his zoning articles have this disconcerting subtext of "live in the pod. Eat the bugs."
He comes across as completely callous towards the preferences of people who don't want to live in cities. He shows no concern towards the contracts homeowners and developers sign to maintain the character of a property/neighborhood. He likes dense urban environments and holds contempt for single family housing. His "property rights" angle on this might be a libertarian argument to a degree, but the undercurrent through it all is not. The way he expresses himself shows a progressive utilitarian preference towards forcing people into apartments.
https://twitter.com/GRDecter/status/1637501820049186818?t=usqRYnNGxmhBOYuvJWOaow&s=19
BREAKING: UBS has agreed to buy Credit Suisse for more than $2 billion, according to the Financial Times
Credit Suisse was a $7 billion company on Friday
Swiss Government: "Hey, UBS, nice bank you have there. Would be shame if something happened to it. Why don't you buy Credit Suisse, like right now, and eliminate this political embarrassment?"
UBS probably got a good deal - CS shareholders not so much. CS would have got a much better deal had they been bought by a foreign bank but there is no way that the SNB was going to let that happen.
The collapse of CS is truly remarkable, though - years and years of fuck-ups all over the shop. It's not as if they went all in on a single business line that went tits-up. They had the reverse Midas touch, whereby everything they touched turned to shite.
I remember now why I stopped reading the comments.
Leave him be. He's gotta get the lift to catch a lorry to the Tube. Then he can get this all sorted.
Mind the Gap!
I may steal govna shrike.
I do like how he hasn't denied being a pedophile out of Rotherham.
Love the Gov'na Shrike. Well done!
Funny! There seem to be a few Oxfords in the US. But as you're well aware, I went to the original one in England.
We aren't aware. We are aware you made the claim om this sock.
You should see his sad YouTube channel of his family videos.
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The United States had a recession in the 2010s as a result of the Great Recession's impact on home values. By the end of the decade, however, many metropolitan regions were suffering a housing affordability problem, which was mostly ascribed to a shortage of affordable housing.
This transformation happened rapidly and was primarily the result of zoning rules. The mainstream perspective of the Great Recession indicates of the most active stocks after hours visit https://www.stockstelegraph.com/market-movers/after-market/most-activethat a housing market bubble was generated by lax monetary policy, government-subsidized lending, and unethical lenders. This hypothesis is backed by leftists, liberals, libertarians, and conservatives on all ends of the political spectrum.
Fuck off, you lying POS.
Nobody shares my opinions 100%, and I do not know what his opinions are on everything.