The Luddites' Veto
Beware of activists touting "responsible research and innovation." The sensible-sounding slogan masks a reactionary agenda.

No sensible person could favor irresponsible research and innovation. So RRI—"responsible research and innovation"—may sound like an innocuous idea. As it takes hold in Europe, though, the term has clearly become a cover for what amounts to a Luddites' veto. Now the notion is percolating among American academics. If it finds its way to the halls of state, RRI would dramatically slow technological progress and perhaps even bring it to a grinding halt.
That wouldn't be an unexpected byproduct. Several RRI proponents have explicitly argued for "slow innovation," even "responsible stagnation." One of them—Bernd Carsten Stahl, a professor of critical research in technology at De Montfort University in the United Kingdom—has even compared technological breakthroughs to a pandemic. "We should ask whether emerging technologies can and will be perceived as a threat of a similar level as the current threat of the Covid virus," he wrote in 2020. If so, he added, they would require "radical intervention."
An Overabundance of Caution
Before we explore RRI, we should take a look at its precursor, a pernicious notion known as the precautionary principle. This concept is often summarized as "better safe than sorry"—but there's a bit more to it than that.
In 1998, a group of environmentalists meeting at the Wingspread retreat center in Wisconsin hammered out the now more or less canonical version of the precautionary principle: "When an activity raises threats of harm to human health or the environment, precautionary measures should be taken even if some cause and effect relationships are not fully established scientifically." The so-called Wingspread Statement explicitly shifts the burden of proof, so that anyone proposing a new activity cannot proceed without showing that it will not—or, at least, is very unlikely to—cause significant harm. This amounts to a demand for trials without error.
Political scientist Aaron Wildavsky anticipated how such an idea would actually end up doing more harm. "An indirect implication of trial without error is that if trying new things is made more costly, there will be fewer departures from past practice; this very lack of change may itself be dangerous in forgoing chances to reduce existing hazards," he wrote in his 1988 book Searching for Safety. "Existing hazards will continue to cause harm if we fail to reduce them by taking advantage of the opportunity to benefit from repeated trials."
But as misguided as it is, the precautionary principle is at least focused on preventing harms to health and the environment. In a 2021 article for the Journal of Responsible Innovation, three responsible research and innovation boosters—Richard Owen, René von Schomberg, and Phil Macnaghten—called RRI "a move from risk governance to innovation governance." Two more proponents, Stevienna de Saille and Fabien Medvecky, put it more plainly in 2016: RRI, they wrote, focuses not just on an innovation's health and environmental impact but its "impact on values, morals and social relations."
So innovators won't just have to prove somehow that their technologies pose no harm to human health or the environment. They'll also have to show that they will not do too much to disrupt a society's prevailing morals, culture, and livelihoods.
RRI's advocates trace their intellectual roots to British chemist David Collingridge's 1980 book The Social Control of Technology. "The social consequences of a technology cannot be predicted early in the life of the technology," he wrote. "By the time undesirable consequences are discovered, however, the technology is often so much part of the whole economic and social fabric that its control is extremely difficult." Collingridge called this process "entrenchment." His modern acolytes describe it as technological "lock-in."
Note Collingridge's focus on social consequences. To weigh those consequences, he did not turn to the decentralized process where producers and consumers evaluate new products for their safety, quality, and efficacy via the marketplace. Collingridge called for political control.
What sort of undesirable consequences did he have in mind? One was that "modern medicine and hygiene has reduced the death rate in developing countries, but doing so has generated an uncontrollable increase in population." Another was that "food production has increased through the use of chemicals, but at the cost of the future collapse of agriculture due to damage to soil and its supporting ecosystem."
Collingridge's forecasts did not come true. World population is expected to peak around the middle of this century, thanks to modern innovations such as effective birth control. Global cereal production has not collapsed and, indeed, has more than doubled since Collingridge's book appeared. If RRI had been a part of the political system in 1980, we might not have "entrenched" or "locked in" these new technologies, but we would have entrenched and locked in a lot of hunger and substandard health care.
Collingridge also mused darkly about the coming consequences of the then-emerging technology of "microelectronics." He warned, "This technology is in its infancy, and it is now possible to place all kinds of controls and restrictions on its development, even to the point of deciding to do without it altogether." And why would we consider doing without it altogether? "Concern has been expressed about the unemployment which may result from the uncontrolled development and diffusion of microelectronics, but our understanding of this effect is extremely limited."
Microelectronics—in the form of personal computing and the internet—did indeed destroy 3.5 million jobs in the U.S., according to a 2017 McKinsey Global Institute report. But the same report calculated that those technologies have created 19.3 million new jobs since 1980, yielding a net gain of 15.8 million jobs. That's about 10 percent of the current U.S. civilian work force. It's a good thing we didn't have an RRI tribunal with the power to declare this technology so dire that it would be better to "do without it altogether."
If such a tribunal had existed a century before that, hostlers and buggy whip makers—or as the RRI crowd would call them, transportation industry "stakeholders"—would have been empowered to keep cars off the roads. Collingridge and his acolytes would have nodded their heads approvingly.
The Evils of the Automobile
In her 2016 book The Ethics of Invention, Harvard-based RRI proponent Sheila Jasanoff decries cars. "The life history of the automobile," she declares, "remains a paradigmatic case study in the limits of human foresight. The car unlocked immense possibilities for individual freedom and productivity, but these went hand in hand with drastic consequences for society that no one had imagined or regulated in timely fashion." Cars, she continued, had brought "more than a million traffic deaths worldwide each year, the spread of deadening, routinized work practices, the blight of urban air pollution, the fragmentation of communities, the decay of once-great manufacturing centers, and eventually world-threatening climate change." She then asks, "Could current practices of responsible innovation and anticipatory governance have turned the tide of the automobile's history before it took a tragic course?"
When she wrote those words, Jasanoff was following in Collingridge's footsteps. For Collingridge, the automobile is the archetypal example of an innovation that unfortunately escaped social control. "The British Royal Commission on the Motor Car of 1908 saw the most serious problem of this infant technology to be the dust thrown up from untarred roads," he wrote. (He had the year wrong; the commission released its report in 1906.) "With hindsight we smile, but only with hindsight." Collingridge acknowledged that "dust was a recognized problem at the time, and so one which could be tackled," but he went on to lament that the "much more serious social consequences of the motor car with which we are now all too familiar could not have been predicted with any certainty."
There was indeed considerable testimony at the time about the dust created by automobiles. They were much heavier than horse carriages and wagons, and their wheels were often metal, thus pounding down unpaved roads. In its 1906 report, the Royal Commission recommended experiments with applying dust preventives such as tar and mineral oils to roadways.
But that was hardly the only objection cars faced in their early days. If RRI had existed in that era, the "stakeholders" would have acted on their social values. And the social values at the turn of the 20th century were decidedly anti-automobile.
On May 23, 1902, The New York Times described the results of a postcard poll sent to 30,000 city residents on increasing the speed limit of automobiles. "Ninety-five per cent of those who responded are opposed to the extension of the speed limit from eight to ten miles per hour," the paper reported. Four days later, a letter to the Times decried "reckless speeders of ponderous automobiles" as "the idle and vicious rich."
A July 6, 1902, Times article noted an "increase in hostility toward automobilists." The "admiration and interest of at least a very large part of the public has been succeeded by open hostility," it reported. "Motor vehicles encounter abuse at almost every point, and of late passive hostility has developed into active attacks, not only upon drivers who run their machines at an illegal rate of speed, but those who observe the legal speed limit." The article went on to recount an incident in which an irritated farmer shot a passing car.
A few years after that, the president of Princeton University (and future president of the U.S.) joined in. "Nothing has spread socialistic feeling in this country more than the use of automobiles," Woodrow Wilson declared in a 1906 speech. "To the countryman they are a picture of arrogance of wealth with all its independence and carelessness."
Then there were the economic interests who disliked the car. In his 2008 book Autophobia, historian Brian Ladd detects "the hand of the horse-and-cart lobby in a 1908 English poster that lamented the loss of 100,000 jobs in that industry only after capturing the attention of passersby with an attack on the 'reckless motorists' who 'kill your children,' dogs, and chickens, 'fill your house with dust' as well as 'spoil your clothes with dust' and 'poison the air we breathe.'"
The automobile had its defenders. "The man who knows [the car] from the outside only despises it and damns it on general principles," wrote Argosy publisher Frank Munsey in 1903. But, after their first ride, he observed that everyone is an "easy convert" to automobiles. He added, "I have never known a case, however bitter and unreasoning the prejudice, where one didn't change squarely about on the very first ride in a good car." With time, more people had a chance to take that ride: Cars became popular with the masses after Henry Ford introduced the mass-produced Model T on October 1, 1908, making them far more affordable. Had RRI tribunals existed back in 1900, the technology might not ever have advanced that far.
Having missed their chance to turn the tide against conventional cars, some RRI proponents have now set their sights on the emerging technology of autonomous vehicles (A.V.s). Their objections can be found in the output of several carefully plotted focus groups conducted in the name of inclusive stakeholder and public engagement. For example, Belgian anthropologist Axelle Van Wynsberghe and the European Commission official Ângela Guimarães Pereira conducted several "citizen engagement activities" to evaluate the technology. In those meetings, they reported in 2021, "citizens seem to be motivated to limit if not eliminate car use, and are invested in prioritising active modes of transport such as walking and biking….Overall, what was questioned was whether the driverless and vehicle automation was indeed the needed response to mobility problems faced by citizens."
Without bothering with the camouflage of citizen engagement, RRI supporter Robert Braun of the Institute for Advanced Studies got right to the point. "Instead of asking whether we need self-driving vehicles, why not ask whether we need cars at all?" he wrote in 2018. Better, he argued, to walk, bike, or take public transportation.
Since relatively few people have had much experience with self-driving vehicles, it's not surprising that many are currently concerned about their social and economic effects. In March 2022, a Pew Research Center survey found 44 percent of Americans say widespread use of driverless cars would be a bad idea for society. Only 26 percent said it would be a good idea; 29 percent didn't know. In addition, "Roughly six-in-ten adults (63%) say they would not want to ride in a driverless passenger vehicle if they had the opportunity, while a much smaller share (37%) say they would want to do this." Like the horseless carriages of yore, self-driving cars have also provoked some ire. People wielding rocks and knives had attacked Waymo A.V.s in Arizona and California.
Of course, as businesses with skin in the game, A.V. developers are already engaging with and learning from the public. For example, Waymo cooperated with researchers at Arizona State University and the Federal Transit Administration in a study in which older and disabled participants in the Phoenix metro area could summon autonomous Waymo vehicles by app. The study's "key findings were that participants felt safe, found the AV services more convenient than typical RideChoice options, and engaged in more out-of-home activities (i.e., made new trips) as a result of the AV option." Overall, the participants rated the A.V.s' wait times, travel times, convenience, and comfort higher than their ratings for traditional options.
Even more importantly, the report found that "riders were in general agreement in their excitement to ride in a Waymo vehicle with no trained vehicle operator," noting that "many felt that, just as they became comfortable with the AV technology with a trained vehicle operator who was there only as back-up, they felt that they would similarly adjust to riding in fully driverless vehicles and looked forward to the opportunity to do so." Just as first-time riders were "easy converts" to automobiles back in 1903, riders of modern autonomous vehicles are likely to come around soon. But not if RRI arbiters deploying public engagement exercises with malice aforethought succeed in blocking the technology through regulations that entrench and lock in the social values that currently reign.
Most people don't know what they'll think of a new technology until they have actually used it. The market is a discovery process that allows us to try out new things and either accept or reject them. The RRI crowd wants to block that process.
Standing Athwart Innovation, Yelling Stop
The same crowd wants to slow or stop the innovation unfolding in other fields, including crop biotechnology, artificial intelligence, robotics, nanotechnology, and human reproduction. With regard to the latter, Jasanoff and her colleagues argued in 2019 that germline editing threatens "the future of human integrity and autonomy as we have long understood these concepts." Consequently, "public permission is a prerequisite to disrupting fundamental elements of social order."
Sounds profound and serious, right? Let's see how it sounds when applied to an earlier reproductive technology that disrupted "fundamental elements of social order." When the birth control pill was introduced, it certainly impacted "values, morals and social relations." How might RRI tribunals, had they existed in 1960, have entrenched and locked in the social values of the day?
As late as 1965, Gallup reported that only 18 percent of adult American women and 14 percent of adult men approved of giving the pill to women in college. In 1970, only 24 percent of men and 12 percent of women thought teens should have access to oral contraceptives. On a related question, a 1963 National Opinion Research Center (NORC) survey found that fewer than one in five respondents considered premarital sex acceptable.
Not everyone agreed with the majority, of course. In 1965, Cornell University political scientist Andrew Hacker surveyed 200 first-year college students on whether college clinics should distribute contraceptive pills to undergraduate women upon request. "It is hardly necessary to say that a good majority of the boys thought this was a splendid idea," Hacker wrote subsequently in The New York Times. "But what surprised me was that most of the girls also agreed with this proposal." In a subsequent letter to the editor, a father observed that since we cannot "count on the 'old ties of family, community, church, and trade' as strong or satisfactory deterrent to wild sexual abandon," he would "be wise to arrange" as a high school graduation present for his daughter a "gift certificate for several free years of pills."
At the end of his article, Hacker concluded that when the pill "receives wide distribution, as it will, it will challenge our capacity to use yet another innovation with sophistication and responsibility. Just as we have adjusted our lives to the television set and the automobile, so—in 20 years' time—we shall take the pill for granted, and wonder how we ever lived without it." He was prescient. A July 2022 FiveThirtyEight/Ipsos survey found that nearly 90 percent of Americans think birth control pills should be legal. Data collected by Kaiser Family Foundation in May and June 2022 showed "more than three-quarters (77%) of reproductive age females favor making birth control pills available over the counter without a prescription."
By then, several nonsexual benefits to the technology had become clear as well: Then–University of Michigan economist Martha Bailey reported in 2013 that "individuals' access to contraceptives increased their children's college completion, labor force participation, wages, and family incomes decades later." Would that have happened if RRI's "public engagement processes" had locked in mid–20th century sexual values?
Or consider another reproductive technology: in vitro fertilization (IVF). A 1969 Harris poll found a majority of Americans believing that IVF babies were "against God's will." In the 1970s, the U.S. government came close to entrenching that societal value when it imposed a moratorium on federal funding of IVF research. Yet just one month after the birth in 1978 of the world's first test-tube baby, a Gallup poll found that 60 percent of Americans approved of IVF and more than half would consider using it if they were infertile. Today, social acceptance of IVF is even more widespread. It turns out that people are perfectly happy to use new technologies to disrupt "fundamental elements of social order" and undermine "long understood concepts" if they will enable parents to have healthy babies. Had RRI locked in earlier social opposition to IVF, more than a million fewer children would have been born to American parents, along with another 7 million globally.
What about safely gene-editing human embryos? Back in 2016, a poll by the Harvard School of Public Health and the online publication STAT found that 65 percent of Americans thought it should be illegal to change the genes of unborn babies to reduce their risk of developing certain serious diseases. Just two years later, an Associated Press/NORC survey found that 71 percent favored editing embryos' genes to prevent an incurable or fatal disease that a child would inherit, 67 percent approved of gene editing to reduce the risk of diseases that might develop later in life, and 65 percent supported using it to prevent inherited nonfatal conditions such as blindness. So the same process of growing acceptance is well underway here too.
Other biotechnological developments have fallen under RRI proponents' baleful eyes as well. Writing last year in Agriculture and Human Values, a team of Norwegian RRI boosters celebrated the European Union's decision to essentially ban an earlier generation of biotech-enhanced crops. "European legislation, based on the precautionary principle, has arguably served European communities well in restricting the use of 'early' GMOs of limited environmental and societal benefit," they claimed.
Limited benefits? Really? A 2014 meta-analysis in PLoS One found that such technologies have "reduced chemical pesticide use by 37%, increased crop yields by 22%, and increased farmer profits by 68%." The study also reported that "yield and profit gains are higher in developing countries than in developed countries." A 2022 study in the journal GM Crops & Food calculated that the shift to genetically modified crops reduced greenhouse gas emissions in 2020 alone by the equivalent of taking 16 million cars off the road. More generally, a 2021 study in the Journal of Political Economy found that from 1965 to 2010, the adoption of high-yielding crops increased yields by 44 percent, which in turn raised incomes and reduced population growth. From 1961 to 2014, the adoption of high-yield crops spared 1.26 billion hectares of land that would otherwise have been plowed down to produce food. That is about the same area as the United States and India combined.
The Norwegian RRI writers demand that "neither the scale nor the agent of the application of [new genomic techniques] must be allowed to disrupt the functioning of already existing environmental, socio-cultural, or economic structures the public (or community) finds to be of value." This amounts to a demand that farmers must grow crops just as they do now and consumers must eat just what is available now and land must stay just as it is now—forever.
Tolerating Disruption
The RRI crowd has been clear about what it is targeting. In 2021, Owen, von Schomberg, and Macnaghten celebrated the movement's challenge to "the technology-market dyad that…unreflexively assumes innovation as being inherently good, desirable and the engine of choice to foster economic growth, productivity and prosperity."
RRI proponents are quite right that largely unfettered technological innovations and economic growth over the past two centuries have disrupted old social values. And certainly, they have been accompanied by downsides, such as pollution, deforestation, economic dislocation, and the discord that sometimes follows the spread of new mores.
But let's look at what humanity has gained in that time. Absolute poverty—living on less than $1.90 per person per day—has declined from 85 percent of the world's population in 1820 to less than 9 percent now. Total global gross domestic product (GDP) stood at about $1.2 trillion (in real dollars) in 1820, then nearly tripled to $3.4 trillion in 1900. Since then, world GDP has grown nearly 40-fold to around $134 trillion in 2021. As a result, GDP per capita increased from $2,000 per person in 1900 to nearly $15,000 per person in 2016.
Global cereal production has quadrupled from 740 million metric tons in 1961 to 3 billion tons in 2020. Before 1700, about 300 out of 1,000 infants died before their first birthday; the number is around 30 now. As a result, global average life expectancy has risen from around 30 years to more than 72 years over the same period. Global literacy has increased from roughly 10 percent in 1820 to around 90 percent today. In 1900, no country allowed women to vote; now nearly all do.
All of these positive trends occurred either as a direct result of technological innovation or as a result of the economic development that innovation made possible. Adam Thierer of the R Street Institute calls this a system of "permissionless innovation." This is, in his words, "the idea that experimentation with new technologies and innovations should generally be permitted by default and that prior restraints on creative activities should be avoided except in those cases where clear and immediate harm is evident." In other words, innovators engage in trial-and-error experimentation to develop new products and services, whose desirability they then test in the marketplace.
University of Illinois Chicago economist Deirdre McCloskey similarly notes that the "Great Enrichment" of the past couple of centuries was driven by "technological and institutional betterment at a frenetic pace, tested by unforced exchange among the parties involved." She calls this "market-tested betterment," but it's the same "technology-market dyad" that von Schomberg and other RRI proponents aim to "challenge" by requiring that new technologies obtain "public permission" before they are allowed into the marketplace. RRI would foreclose not only new technologies but the evolving social values and ways of living they make possible.
"Fostering innovation requires a certain amount of self-sacrifice," Thierer and James Broughel of the Mercatus Center wrote in 2019. "Sometimes we must tolerate disruption today for a better world tomorrow." That is the core truth that the RRI movement refuses to recognize.
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Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could that they didn’t stop to think if they should.
- Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park
There's nothing wrong with technological progress; however, some of it has come rather fast, especially with computers, surveillance, and more, that maybe we should ask ourselves "Should we be doing this?", "What are the potential consequences of this?", "Will this benefit us as a whole, or just a small elite that wants to control the rest of us?".
"They'll also have to show that they will not do too much to disrupt a society's prevailing morals, culture, and livelihoods."
(From Ron's article above.) ESPECIALLY we must NOT disrupt the livelihoods of the Big Fat Dumb and Happy Government Almighty Over-Lording Over-Lards who LOVE to Over-Regulate!!!
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“Will this benefit us as a whole, or just a small
elitegroup that wants to control the rest of us?”.Unless CRT and the disassembly of the meritocracy has redefined "elite" to mean some manic-depressive, quadriplegic, half-black, half-AAPI, trans-lesbian, unemployed, asexual, polyamorous, clump of cells with a mountain of student loan debt, I disagree.
Admittedly, it's a personal taste thing but, IMO, being controlled by incompetent morons is way worse than being controlled by elite people who are good at their jobs.
Funny, all these years I've been thinking that the default preference of libertarians was to be controlled as little as possible, precisely because no "elites" are actually competent to do the job.
This is true. Laissez faire ethics means the least ethical innovation will prevail. Political control of ethical choices puts it in the control of people who are basically sociopaths and control freaks anyway.
But there does need to be a mechanism for public discussion of this stuff before it just becomes something everyone is forced to just deal with.
Note to foreign readers: many Americans cling to the notion that ethics (a code of values to guide our choices and actions) is the same thing as altruism (concern for others rather than for self). The last sentence of Hitler's nationalsocialist platform spells out the consequent.
The answer for Libertarians should be to use the technology of the day like Jiu-Jitsu against the elites who seek to use technology for tyranny.
Big Brother Is Watching? Watch him back and stare him down!
Fear the knock on the door at night? Use the Infrared camera hidden as a birdhouse to see who it is and act accordingly.
Local cops parading military-style gear? Gently remind them that us civilians in the U.S. have more guns than people and they don't need the thing that goes up to be effective.
Deep Stater have files on you? Compile your own files should you have regular dealings with them.
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who would be their own governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives." --James Madison.
"Big Brother Is Watching? Watch him back and stare him down!"
People value their privacy more than the potential to spy on others. It's a poor trade off, in other words, to accept the state's permanent surveillance, and try to compete on an equal basis with the state's resources of control. Such attempts are likely to be ineffective and only end up exposing oneself to even more intensive scrutiny.
"“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who would be their own governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives.” –James Madison."
Interesting quote, but privacy is also a way to govern ignorance and arming yourself with knowledge at the expense of my privacy is not something I appreciate.
I'm certainly in favor of restricting state surveillance wherever possible, but I have serious doubts about just how much of that genie can be shoved back into the bottle.
I have no problem restricting things that are provably harmful, but that bar should be set high. If cavemen had practiced the precautionary principle, much less this RRI crap, we'd still be debating the merits of fire.
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I have been a Luddite my whole life.
All change is bad, all change makes things worse.
I kind of enjoy that.
Either live your ideology, i.e. embrace the complete lifestyle of whatever 5000 BC era tribe you identify with, or shut the fuck up.
As Madge would say, "You're soaking in it!"
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If you're not for cutting children's dicks off youre a luddite.
If you're not using "technology" for discounting or barring ALL "non-Team-R" votes and voters, you're a Luddite!
Petr Beckmann pointed out that all totalitarian infiltrator tentacles loudly oppose things nobody is FOR. Even the first Marilyn Monroe movie incorporated this as a plot item.
I remember Bailey years back bringing up some mad doctor who wanted to birth a Neanderthal through a chimp. And he didn’t even bat an eye. Now maybe that was just some expertly executed moral neutrality on his part. But I wonder.
Bailey is a fan of science fiction with very little understanding of science. It's my opinion that he is more obsessed with "science" as a means for himself to live forever. He lacks moral scruples when it comes to desired or possible outcomes through experimentation. Basically, he is an idiot who believes whatever stupid science-ish thing he hears that touches on his interests. He speaks as an authority while showing no scrutiny of methodology, data, or results.
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"When an activity raises threats of harm to human health or the environment, precautionary measures should be taken even if some cause and effect relationships are not fully established scientifically."
Well, the whole global climate warming change religion is causing great harm to those of us who know God/mother nature can handle things without our help. So maybe we should take precautionary measures like locking up all those who want to destroy us.
"LUDDITES UNITE! You have nothing to lose but your pencils!"
Pencils? True luddites only use pointy sticks.
Indeed. And clay tablets.
Pointy sticks? THATS WITCHCRAFT,
Lumps of coal. Or forget writing and drawing! Oral tradition FTW!
Wasn't the majority of the air quality problem in US Cities 100-ish years ago due to coal-burning by people in their homes, businesses, factories, etc? My place was built in 1924, and it still has the old coal chutes for the old boilers.
Even 50 yrs. ago and into today, L.A.'s smog problem, the progenitor for California and EPA emissions standards, was the port of Los Angeles. The advancement wasn't smog control it was the broader control of human mobility.
all those Chevettes "w/California emissions!" Bob Barker gave away helped.
And then there was all that horse shit in the streets.
"If such a tribunal had existed a century before that, hostlers and buggy whip makers—or as the RRI crowd would call them, transportation industry "stakeholders"—would have been empowered to keep cars off the roads. Collingridge and his acolytes would have nodded their heads approvingly."
Yes, let the "stakeholders" [persons with opinions but nothing invested] rule, by all means.
Not just horse shit but deaths from accidents, at rates per mile much worse than cars ever caused.
"And then there was all that horse shit in the streets. "
It may have been horse shit to you but it was gold for someone else. It could be collected for free and sold to those in need of fertilizer. If the residents didn't snap it up first from their own use.
"[persons with opinions but nothing invested] "
Not nothing. They've invested their time and attention, our two most precious possessions. That you count them for nothing is telling just how half baked your thinking is, sorry to say.
A typical horse produces somewhere around 20 lbs. of manure per day. In 1900, there were roughly 100k horses in NYC. By my math, that makes for roughly 1000 tons of manure, every single day. That's a whole lot of horseshit, is all I'm saying. Oh, and don't forget 25k gallons of horse pee.
I remember chain-operated coal dispensers where you could buy coal by the bag at the service stations from just 50 years ago.
Beware of activists touting “responsible research and innovation.” The sensible-sounding slogan masks a reactionary agenda.
“My name is Ron Bailey and I support the innovative work that was done to change the definition of a vaccine from the socially ossified notion of an inoculation that generates broad and durable immunity in the vast majority of recipients to an mRNA injection that might generate antigens in some people. But remember, get tested and participate in contact tracing, it's the only way our of this pandemic.”
Ron, at this point you’ve been both less cautious and more cautious selectively than Ehrlich and more consistently wrong. And I’ve got no love for Ehrlich, but he doesn’t auspiciously work as a science correspondent for a libertarian magazine.
The Luddites’ Veto
Even your title doesn’t make sense, Ron. Innovation is not a democracy. The Luddites certainly don’t have veto power and, at best, only get a vote like anyone else. You don’t need other peoples’ permission to innovate unless you’re relying on their resources or other liberties. History is chock full of unappreciated geniuses and absolutely maniacal sociopaths who were too smart for the common good and paving a trail to their perception of the future in blood. Innovation shouldn’t be universally despised, but if that’s your message, is it aimed at the Amish people reading it on the internet? Because even the Amish aren’t out to destroy innovation, they just passively (mostly) don’t adopt it.
the difference is these people want to regulate innovation and many want to stop it all together and clearly many environmentalist climate changers want a return to the past. this is why innovation in many products are slowed in the EU do to this same idea of no harm even if its unseen
the difference is these people want to regulate innovation and many want to stop it all together
You say "these people" as if they are distinct from Ron. Again, Ron is the one who advocates for fake meat so that land can be reclaimed from ranchers who abuse it by growing ungulates on it and returning it to its natural state, with ungulates growing on it. He doesn't care about rights or obvious consequences. If he thinks ubiquitous contact tracing is the way out of the pandemic, MOAR TESTING! is his message.
This isn't actual innovators opposed to actual Luddites or anything to do with actual predictable outcomes or moral taboos, this is purely Progressive Shias shaming Progressive Sunnis.
"many environmentalist climate changers want a return to the past."
You misunderstand the changers. Returning to the past would mean turning to coal or wood burning to extract energy. They are looking beyond the present to the future exploiting solar, wind, nuclear, geothermal, etc sourced energy.
And rationing.
If we are to go beyond fossil fuels then rationing is probably inevitable. The alternatives lack their punch in terms of energy density. If you've got enough money and influence to prefer to compete with the hoipoloi for precious energy, you may have to give up your private jet, but you'll survive. Humans have survived on the planet for millennia on a fraction of our energy budget. Not only survived, but prospered and spread throughout the globe.
And rickshaws, right, Watermelon?
Try reading the actual article every once in a while. It was all about people who do wish to sharply restrict innovation through state force.
The unintended consequences of government forbidding certain avenues of research could easily be severe. However, should patents, a Bourgeois-Socialist privilege, be extended blindly to all innovation?
Not all innovations are Patented or Patentable. Also, in the U.S., getting a Patent requires a Patent Search to show there is no prior art, an expensive process requiring a Patent Attorney to do fully. And once granted, a Patent only lasts 12 years if the inventor pays all the fees on schedule to The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.
And even with a Patent, an inventor still has to be or find a manufacturer and distributor, do marketing and marketing research, hire or contract people for every step of getting the new invention to market. There is no guarantee of success in any of the steps or all of them.
Basically, an investor's life is a dog's life compared to being just a worker drone, and that's just when the government is at least neutral about your invention.
"RRI's advocates trace their intellectual roots to British chemist David Collingridge's 1980 book The Social Control of Technology."
Why do these academics and other big thinkers always begin (and end) with "social control", by which they mean control by them?
Ask Rev Arty; he will tell you to respect your betters because they just know.
He can “Carry On, Klinger” with a tub and washboard for his flourishing cape for all I care.
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Why do these academics and other big thinkers always begin (and end) with “social control”, by which they mean control by them?
Because they're authoritarian asshats who think they're better than everyone else. Also, because FYTW.
People like Collingridge and Fauci are the ones who give Science a fucked-up reputation. If anything, it is absolute power exercised by those not-to-be-questioned that is a regressive, ass-backward, anti-Science, anti-technology practice.
Because- - In a civilization based on rationing, the good potatoes go to the folks in charge of the rationing
"the term has clearly become a cover for what amounts to a Luddites' veto."
The Luddites were a group of early 19th century artisans who agitated against the changes to their work conditions. They would make and maintain their own tools and equipment and work from home when and how they wanted. They prized their freedom, ownership and control over their livelihoods. They share a lot with today's free and open source software movement (FOSS) in that regard. Luddites were probably among the most technically adept people in society of the time and were no more anti technology than FOSS advocates are anti software.
And their cottage industry, which was no doubt far far better in every respect than working in an industrial factory. But thus goes creative destruction because nothing lasts forever. But then everyone could afford a pair of shoes from the mill vs. the cobblers shop.
"But then everyone could afford a pair of shoes from the mill vs. the cobblers shop."
During the civil war, the confederate army chose to let their soldiers go barefoot. I guess they must have converted the shoe factories to gun factories. State control works its magic.
The antebellum South was not very industrialized to begin with. Bullets before beans, and shoes.
They didn't prize other people's freedom, ownership, and control over their livelihoods, such as the freedom that comes from Division of Labor, the greater ownership that comes from cheaper mass-produced goods and tools, or the control and efficacy that come to the handicapped with mass-produced glasses, hearing aids, dentures, canes, and prostheses.
And we never would have got past Babbage's Differential Engine to have Linux FOSS if it were left to the Luddites! Fuck the Luddites and Fuck Off, Watermelon Rickshaw Boy/Beefsteak Panzerwagen Boy!
"They didn’t prize other people’s freedom, ownership, and control over their livelihoods"
They didn't prize technocratic control over the way they ran their lives. And they didn't trust the church, the aristocracy, the courts, the free press or the wealthy to help them out. When you're fighting for your livelihood, valuing the freedom of a judge to order thugs to confiscate your money and send you to prison isn't helping you at all.
The Luddites were no more victims of The Church, Aristocrats, Courts, the free press, and the wealthy than the Industrialists, who were villianized as purveyors of “dark, Satanic mills” and as the sole victimizers of child labor, ignoring the entirety of Feudal and Ancient Agrarian history and it's barbaric treatment of children.
And no one took the Luddites’ freedom or lives until the Luddites destroyed private property and made death threats to merchants.
Fuck Off, Watermelon Rickshaw Boy/Beefsteak Panzerwagen Boy/All-Around Troglodyte!
The Luddites were fighting for their livelihood and resisting technocratic control. They did so through direct action, as legal means proved a futile waste of time and resources.
"the sole victimizers of child labor, ignoring the entirety of Feudal and Ancient Agrarian history and it’s barbaric treatment of children."
Child labor lives today. Your smart phone wouldn't work without the children 'artisanal miners' of Congo digging up cobalt and other precious minerals. All done in opposition to the Luddites' desire for workers to control the conditions of their labor.
They were "fighting for their livelihood" at the expense of others. If someone figures out a way to make goods that are better or cheaper than yours, tradition is a stupid and evil excuse for denying everyone those better goods.
"They were “fighting for their livelihood” at the expense of others. If someone figures out a way to make goods that are better or cheaper than yours,"
Slavery provided cheaper goods at the same time the Luddites were active. Another innovation to be resisted by the Luddites at the expense of others - the slave owners and those who consumed the products the slaves produced.
"tradition is a stupid and evil excuse "
Freedom and autonomy are better excuses.
I'm a proud reactionary. If you call other people "reactionaries", you are either an ignoramus or a vile socialist/fascist revolutionary.
The misuse of the term is particularly egregious when applied to "Luddites" because it is usually radical left wingers that are the Luddites.
"because it is usually radical left wingers that are the Luddites."
Luddites are slurred as the radical left and that's going back to the early 19th century when the Luddites first appeared and the were slurred by the powers that be as Republican Bonapartists bent on sending the aristocrats and clerics to the guillotine. Granted, the Luddites who valued freedom and control over their lives were leftists, but hardly radical leftists. They wanted to continue to work at their cottages and enjoy an ale while doing so. Only a reactionary would see this as radical.
I’m not talking about historical Luddites, I’m talking about contemporary ones.
"I’m not talking about historical Luddites,"
You're complaining about the misuse of labels. I'm pointing out that your use of 'Luddites' is just such a misuse. The historical Luddites were not anti technology and your use of the term is inaccurate. Today's Luddites are similarly not anti technology or Bonapartist spies but concerned about technocratic control over our lives.
You two can circle-jerk about the terminology of ass-backwardsness all you want and be the meek who inherit the Earth. I want to move "Forward, Upward, and Outward!"
I Am The Very Model of a Singularitarian
https://youtu.be/6hKG5l_TDU8
I dunno, I consider using violence to force others to subsidize your preferences pretty radical. The Luddites weren't seeking control over their own lives, but the lives of others.
"I consider using violence to force others to subsidize your preferences pretty radical."
It's not radical but normal. The state and its agents use force and the threat of violence constantly, non stop.
>>No sensible person could favor irresponsible research and innovation.
that troll Fauci's on line 3 ...
"Hello Dr. Fauci? This is Ron "MOAR TESTING" Bailey and I've been advocating for mandatory vaccines since the zika pandemic and I've gotta say I'm a huge fa... Dr. Fauci? Dr. Fauci? Huh, must've gotten disconnected. I hope he calls back so I can rub it in that smug kid, Robbie's stupid face."
exactly.
Pretty sure if fuckers like them had been around 10,000 years ago they would have never allowed our ancestors to leave the cave.
On second thought, there probably were shitheads like them, our ancestors just had the good sense to either ignore them or beat them to death with a club for being pussies.
Or the smarter ones moved on, while the reactionaries stayed in the cave and got eaten by wolves.
Ugh, this Malthusian horseshit again.
Yeah, they always seem to overlook the fact that rising standards of living have long been strongly correlated with falling fertility. But I suppose that's inevitable when you see people only as a burden and never as a resource.
Fucker couldn't even get basic facts right. Totally sounds like someone who should be taken seriously.
Seriously, Golbekli Teke dates back some 11,000 years, by the way.
Fire burns people. It's good that RRI was not around 2 million years ago.
And if Aaron Wildavsky was around 2 million years ago, he'd point out "Fire bad. Raw food bad. Cooked food good. You decide."
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The West, but especially Europe and Britain, are running out of taxpayers to fund the research grants for the jobs programs that research trans newborns, lesbian histories, male soccer bonding to fruit fly mating patterns. A welfare state, open to the world, the size of Europe’s, Britain and the U.S. is expensive.
Britian is rationing vegetables in the 21st century- think about that.
"Britian is rationing vegetables in the 21st century- think about that."
The state should confine itself to bailing out failed bankers. Let the free market see to it that the poor are fed.
You’re confusing free market advocates with crony capitalists. You want fascists, go over to Bloomberg or Vox. I doubt anyone here supported TARP or corporate welfare in general.
" I doubt anyone here supported TARP or corporate welfare in general."
Nobody here matters. TARP was worked out by the government and the bankers and other agents of the state. They only need your compliance, not your support.
Mtruman is perpetually confused. He can't decide whether to be a Watermelon Rickshaw Boy or a Beefsteak Panzerwagen Boy or both.
No. Your Blueness...
"We should ask whether emerging technologies can and will be perceived as a threat of a similar level as the current threat of the Covid virus," he wrote in 2020. If so, he added, they would require "radical intervention."
Jesus Fucking Christ, in an article about Luddism verses science, the only mention of COVID is a “whatabbout”? That virus was the result of explicit manipulation by humans (ostensibly for “research” purposes) and the subsequent incompetent handling by Chinese labs which were also funded by the US. Were you to actually care about the causes of “anti-science” attitudes then you would have explored this fucking horror.
For whom do the writers at Reason really work?
Someone other than CPAC and Trump, else why the whining?
Rebuke the tide.
"more than three-quarters (77%) of reproductive age females favor making birth control pills available over the counter without a prescription." A lot of those females vote. So it makes perfect sense to reset the original LP platform language that earned their votes at a 12% rate of increase: We further support the repeal of all laws restricting voluntary birth control or voluntary termination of pregnancies during their first hundred days. After the cowardly straddle of 1980 fertile women quit voting libertarian and vote share growth stopped.
The Luddites demand the same thing as in 1977. They lay claim to the power to use all deadly force necessary to stop innovation. The only way to argue against their coercion is to prove a negative. In all cases the thrust is to see that totalitarian altruist states get to weaponize innovation while the relatively less coercive states stagnate. Doing exactly that to Latin America under the aegis of the Monroe Doctrine set the example back when Teedy Rosenfeld and The Kaiser were comparing notes. The LP was created to set better examples.