Ron DeSantis Wants To Cultivate 'Viewpoint Diversity' by Censoring Universities
Florida's H.B. 999 claims to support "viewpoint diversity" and "intellectual rigor." It does just the opposite.

A bill introduced at the Florida House this week aims to erase a wide range of academic freedom protections for faculty at state colleges and universities and enact strict requirements on university curricula.
The bill was originally proposed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis in January. "In Florida, we will build off of our higher education reforms by aligning core curriculum to the values of liberty and the Western tradition," said DeSantis in a January press release, adding that the legislation would be "eliminating politicized bureaucracies like DEI, increasing the amount of research dollars for programs that will feed key industries with talented Florida students, and empowering presidents and boards of trustees to recruit and hire new faculty."
House Bill 999 was introduced on Tuesday by Rep. Alex Andrade (R–Pensacola) and seeks to redesign Florida public universities around the supposed goal of "civic discourse that recognizes the importance of viewpoint diversity, intellectual rigor, and an evidence-based approach to history." To accomplish this goal, the bill would explicitly ban major or minor programs in "Critical Race Theory, Gender Studies, or Intersectionality, or any derivative major or minor of these belief systems." The bill also restricts general education classes, stating that they must not "include a curriculum that teaches identity politics, such as Critical Race Theory, or defines American history as contrary to the creation of a new nation based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence."
In addition to restricting what faculty can teach, the bill seeks to give state political appointees radically increased power in the hiring and firing of faculty—another move that will likely chill faculty speech. The bill effectively eliminates tenure, allowing a university's board of trustees to review any faculty member's tenure at any time. Further, this same board will have unilateral power over hiring faculty, with the bill stating that "the president and the board are not required to consider recommendations or opinions of faculty of the university."
The bill also bans universities from funding or promoting any "programs or campus activities… that espouse diversity, equity, and inclusion or Critical Race Theory rhetoric" and bans the use of "diversity, equity, and inclusion statements, Critical Race Theory rhetoric, or other forms of political identity filters as part of the hiring process." Notably, DeSantis' previous attempt to ban critical race theory at public universities was blocked in federal court last year.
The bill is a startling attack on academic freedom at Florida public universities—one that attempts to institute state-mandated political orthodoxy in curriculum and give politically appointed board members tremendous control over faculty hiring and firing.
"HB 999 would end academic freedom, shared governance, and university independence in FL public higher education in favor of one man's authoritarian control of public university decisions," tweeted Jeremy C. Young, senior manager of free expression and education at PEN America, on Thursday. "It would be the end of FL higher ed as a space of open inquiry and free expression."
The bill is likely unconstitutional, placing illegal content-based restrictions on what professors can teach and what ideas universities can support. Though claiming to support "viewpoint diversity" and "intellectual rigor," this bill seeks to stifle just that—explicitly uplifting one political perspective while censoring others. If past legal fights over DeSantis' "Stop WOKE Act" are any indication, this bill, if signed into law, will almost certainly be challenged in court, where its most censorious provisions will likely be struck down.
Unfortunately, the First Amendment has not stood in the way of DeSantis pressing forward with an unconstitutional law before: Just this week, an ally in the Legislature introduced a blatantly unconstitutional attempt to rewrite defamation law.
"Free expression and higher education advocates must fight these provisions with everything we have, in Florida and in any other state where they appear," tweeted Young. "FL HB 999 is the central battleground for the soul of higher education. If we stand on the sidelines, we will lose."
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I know it. They totally ignore his policies and make all their criticism personal. It's all about him. Not about principles at all. They hate the man. Total derangement.
You are in strawman turbo mode today. Florida is one state out of fifty. One might think there would be forty-nine other governor stories, plus or minus, before another one regarding DeSantis appeared again.
Sarc is getting tired of bitterly jacking his micro penis to Trump, so now his hatred of DeSantis has been deposited into his spank bank.
What policies sarc? You must have some examples.
Ahh remember the good old days when Trump was literally worse than Hitler? And now that people believe DeSantis is going to run for President, (he hasn't declared he is going to run) now, DeSantis has to be worse than Trump and worsererer by far than Hitler! IF ONLY DeSantis had (D) behind his name, then he would only be a cisgender white male! Oh woe's is us! /super sarcastic.
Right out of Rules for Radicals - Fix a target as personally evil and then relentlessly nag any supporters into silence or subservience.
Reason reasoning, it is bad to censor the censors!
Colleges are the worst right now. The snowflakes moan, cry and flail on the ground is someone espouses a different opinion than the one the liberal professors give them. It is not only censorship, it is indoctrination. In private colleges that is fine, in state universities, it should be stopped.
It's not "fine" but there isn't as much of a place for government to get involved.
Though at the federal level, fed backing of student loans does create some room.
It's funny how a Florida law that would prohibit *State* universities from requiring CRT / identitarian based classes for graduation is the worst thing ever to someone who works for a notionally libertarian publication.
I guarantee if you ctrl+f you won’t find one instance of Emma saying the state shouldn’t even HAVE a university system and it should all be private.
'.... Just this week, an ally in the Legislature introduced a blatantly unconstitutional attempt to rewrite defamation law....' So what ? For 45 years, legislatures did the same thing with Roe vs. Wade and finally we got a Court to overturn that ridiculous decision. Times vs. Sullivan is even more ridiculous than Roe ever was and should be overturned as well. Constitution does not recognize public (famous football coaches) and private figures nor is the burden of 'actual malice' (but only for famous football coaches) anywhere to be inferred from the Common Law or our Constitution.
That decision was to open up more speech, recognizing that the 1st Amendment could be substantially curtailed via defamation law. Sorry that irks you so.
Well of course there is a difference between free speech and defamation. Sullivan was made up out of whole cloth with no authority in the constitution or common law. It created 3 classes of people. One of which could defend themselves against defamation. Another which could not. And a third that could freely defame the second group with impunity.
Won't someone think of the public figures?!?
Yes, someone should think of them, especially since it’s lot popular to.
DeSantis Derangement Syndrome
(DS)²
Meanwhile, the London School Of Economics has banned all use of the dreadful words Christmas, Easter, Lent, and Michaelmas in its calendar of term-times and vacations.
Yeah, separation of Church and State *sucks!*
The United Kingdom doesn't have "separation of church and state".
The Head of State is the Head of the Church. The UK is technically a theocracy.
The Kirk of Scotland not so technically.
We fought a revolution to be different, but feel free to move there if YMMV!
New troll name. Same missing the point.
So you think the London School of Economics is here in the US?
Well, you might be a product of US public education after all...
The LSE was founded by such decidedly irreligious socialist leading lights of the Fabian Society, as Sydney & Beatrice Webb and George Bernard Shaw, who endowed it with its Christmas , Easter, and Michaelmas term calendar.
The number of top American bureaucrats and politicians who've graduated from the LSE number in the thousands.
"The London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE) is a public research university located in London, England, and a constituent college of the federal University of London. Founded in 1895 by Fabian Society members Sidney Webb, Beatrice Webb, Graham Wallas, and George Bernard Shaw"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_associated_with_the_London_School_of_Economics
United States
Elliott Abrams, Assistant Secretary of State in Reagan Administration; senior director of the National Security Council in Bush Administration
Donald Baer, White House Director of Communications and Strategic Planning in Clinton Administration
Valerie Lynn Baldwin, Assistant Secretary of the Army (Financial Management and Comptroller), Bush Administration
Michael Chertoff, United States Secretary of Homeland Security, Bush Administration; US Attorney, Bush Sr. and Clinton Administrations
Colm Connolly, United States Attorney, Bush Administration
Lauchlin Currie, White House Economic Adviser to President Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Rosa DeLauro, Democratic Member of the US House of Representatives
Leandra English, deputy director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
Edwin Feulner, President of the Heritage Foundation Think Tank
William Gale, Council of Economic Advisers, Bush Administration
Eric Garcetti, Mayor of Los Angeles
Marc Grossman, U.S. Under-Secretary of State, Bush Administration; US Ambassador to Turkey, Clinton Administration; Special Advisor to the President on Near East Affairs, Carter Administration
Orval H. Hansen, Republican Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
Alice Stone Ilchman, Assistant Secretary of Education and Cultural Affairs under US President Jimmy Carter
Bruce Jentleson, International Affairs Fellow, Council of Foreign Relations; Senior Foreign Policy Advisor to Vice President Al Gore
Bruce Katz, former Chief of Staff, US Department of Housing and Urban Development; Vice President, Brookings Institution
Vanessa Kerry, Democratic activist and daughter of Senator John Kerry (D-MA)
Ron Kind, Democratic Member of U.S. House of Representatives
Mark Kirk, Republican Member of the U.S. Senate
Monica Lewinsky, former White House intern involved in a sex scandal with former President Bill Clinton
Susan Lindauer, ex-Congressional aide accused of assisting Iraqi intelligence prior to the 2003 invasion
Edward Luttwak, consultant to the US National Security Council, State Department and Defence Department; economist; historian; Senior Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
James McGreevey, former governor of New Jersey
Brad Miller, Member of the US House of Representatives
Richard H. Moore, North Carolina state treasurer
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, US Senator
Ethan Nadelmann, founder and executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance
Peter R. Orszag, Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy, Senior Economist, Council of Economic Advisors, Clinton Administration; Fellow of the Brookings Institution; Professor, Georgetown University, Congressional Budget Office director, director designate Office of Management and Budget
Jon Ossoff, US Senator for Georgia (elected 2021), MSc International Political Economy 2013
Tan Parker, member of the Texas House of Representatives
Alice Paul, American suffragist
Richard Perle, Assistant Secretary of Defense, Reagan Administration; Chairman of Defense Department Advisory Committee, Bush Administration; fellow, American Enterprise Institute
F. Whitten Peters, Secretary of the Air Force, Washington, D.C.
David Rockefeller, former chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank; Chairman/Honorary Chairman, the Council on Foreign Relations; Chairman/Honorary Chairman, the Trilateral Commission, son of financer John D. Rockefeller Jr. and grandson of Standard Oil co-founder John D. Rockefeller
Max Rose (born 1986), US Congressman from New York's 11th congressional district, and US Army Bronze Star recipient.
Pete Rouse, White House Chief of Staff, Obama Administration
James Rubin, Assistant Secretary of State, Clinton Administration; lead foreign policy adviser to John Kerry campaign
Robert Rubin, U.S. Treasury Secretary and director, National Economic Council, Clinton Administration; director of Goldman Sachs
Rajiv Shah, USAID Administrator, Obama Administration
Robert Shapiro, Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs, Clinton Administration; Fellow of Harvard University; Fellow of National Bureau of Economic Research
Mona Sutphen, current White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy
John Tower, U.S. Senator
Sanford J. Ungar, President emeritus of Goucher College; director of Voice of America; member of Council on Foreign Relations
Paul Volcker, chairman of Federal Reserve, Carter and Reagan Administrations; US Treasury Under-Secretary, Nixon Administration; President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
David Welch, Assistant Secretary of State, Clinton Administration; US Ambassador to Egypt, Bush Administration
Kimba Wood, U.S. Federal Judge; Attorney General nominee
Dov Zakheim, Under-Secretary of Defense, Bush and Reagan administrations
Also George Soros and Klaus Schwab both were tutored by Henry Kissinger when they attended the LSE.
Lot of Catholics there...opps..sorry that tribe isn't the one overrepresented. Never is....in the neocon/neolib authoritarian camp... Not many Italians or Irish either..hmmmmmmm
Neither does the U.S...that's a "Progressive" misreading of the Establishment clause.
Retarded sockpuppet being retarded.
Quell surprise
I see one of the longstanding board pedos lost his login info and had to make up a new handle.
It's a Florida thing, you wouldn't understand.
The legislature gets to decide where tax dollars are spent, not English Literature majors from out of state.
The question though is should they spend it this way?
They’ve funded the red washing of all higher education for decades. Were you complaining then?
No. But they really do not anybody to change it.
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Seems like the proper way to correct “red washing”, if one were respectful of academic freedom, college student’s intellectual freedom, and freedom in general would be to remove the commie influence without over-correcting.
So, make sure politically-loaded subjects like CRT are not imposed on any student as core graduation requirements, and … leave it at that.
Classes are only an element of the issue. It’s way more an issue of DEI taking over university administrations. Diversity officers getting control of hiring, funding, promoting, rewarding, etc.
It’s not as much about teaching CRT as doing CRT. If equity (as opposed to legal equality)is enshrined as the form and goal of administration or lessons you are doing CRT.
There is no legal or libertarian reason public funding should be facilitating that.
Even less so in grade schools.,
+1
Your definition of what “CRT” is must be very broad. Critical Race Theory is not something that can be “done”.
Perhaps instead of “doing CRT” you meant “doing wokism” or ??? because “doing CRT” is meaningless.
And how is it not over-correction of administrators having too much influence over hiring to forcibly put politicians in charge of hiring? What’s the wisdom of doing any of this when the state government swings more liberal one day?
Draping your defense of leftist thought in complete idiocy doesn’t hide you constantly defending the left.
Your definition of what “CRT” is must be very broad. Critical Race Theory is not something that can be “done”.
You are completely ignorant about what CRT is.
CRT is a system of ideas that creates a lens through which to view societal structures.
'Doing CRT' is teaching lessons using that lens.
CRT itself is the idea of race as seen through the lens of Marxism's critical theory.
It has no place in teaching as it is not a means for imparting lessons but a means of coating all information is Marxism aligned dogma.
Presumably, universities are for the benefit of the students. How does something like CRT benefit students? It seems more and more universities are pushing agendas to benefit their own psychological insecurities.
So, as long as CRT isn’t part of the requirements for graduation, why not let the individual student, who is an adult after all, decide for himself whether CRT is of value to him?
I'm sure you'd advocate to offer pro-Nazi courses, you know, so adults could determine if they want to take them?
Do you think that any type of overt racism should be allowed to be taught at public universities, or just certain ones?
To accomplish this goal, the bill would explicitly ban major or minor programs in "Critical Race Theory, Gender Studies, or Intersectionality, or any derivative major or minor of these belief systems."
Honestly, there is no valid reason for such majors or minors to even exist.
The bill also bans universities from funding or promoting any "programs or campus activities… that espouse diversity, equity, and inclusion or Critical Race Theory rhetoric" and bans the use of "diversity, equity, and inclusion statements, Critical Race Theory rhetoric, or other forms of political identity filters as part of the hiring process."
Given the damage such programs have done, we're better off without them. Emma, prepare for the backlash to this progtard Woke shit. It's coming, and it's not going to be a pretty sight.
Now, let's look at the bill without Emma's filter.
The board shall periodically review the mission of each constituent university and provide updates or revisions to such mission as needed; examine existing academic programs at each constituent university for alignment with the university's mission; and provide direction to each constituent university on removing from its programs any major or minor in Critical Race Theory, Gender Studies, or Intersectionality, or any derivative major or minor of these belief systems, which is any major or minor that engenders beliefs in the concepts defined in s.1000.05(4)(a).
This is a review to provide direction to remove DIE program crap.
Each constituent university may initiate a post-tenure review of a faculty member at any time with cause.
Looks like they're making easier to review tenure. Tenure should be earned, but if the faculty is screwing around, there should be an easier way to fire them.
A state university is prohibited from using diversity, equity, and inclusion statements, Critical Race Theory rhetoric, or other forms of political identity filters as part of the hiring process, including as part of applications for employment, promotion and tenure, conditions of employment, or reviewing qualifications for employment. This paragraph applies to the hiring process for any position at the university, including the position of president of the university.
It's removing DIE requirements from the hiring process. DIE should never be a part of a hiring process. Hiring should be based on merit, and merit alone.
Each state university president shall annually present to the state university board of trustees for review the results of performance evaluations and associated salaries for all evaluated personnel earning an annual salary of $100,000 or more, regardless of the funding source for such salaries.
Imagine that, accountability. As a student, I always thought professors should be made accountable. Glad to see this is in here for Florida.
"Honestly, there is no valid reason for such majors or minors to even exist."
Yeah, what could a study of ideas about gender possibly say about academic things like the works of Willa Cather or John Stuart Mills or the history behind the 19th Amendment or....
"but if the faculty is screwing around, there should be an easier way to fire them."
Say what's popular or lose your job!
"Hiring should be based on merit, and merit alone."
I agree we should legally bar Miami Dolphins owner Steve Ross to hand the team over to this daughter.
Say what’s popular or lose your job!
Which is basically what's going on in universities already.
Except it only has to be popular amongst a tiny, out-of-touch group of people.
Darn it, the Klan cannot have classes paid for by public monies. How utterly suppressing of speech that is!
Imagine if we had some alternative sources of information. We could call them "books".
I always thought professors should be made accountable
Accountable to whom for what?
And the $100k cap is actually going to exclude people like Gender Studies professors, as they typically don't make that much.
On the plus side, who does make that much is the administrators who are actually the ones in charge of most of the most offensive DEI stuff.
there is no valid reason for such majors or minors to even exist
Is that our standard now? Prove to government that thing x has a valid reason to exist or we ban it?
Tenure should be earned, but if the faculty is screwing around, there should be an easier way to fire them.
Tenure is earned and is very hard to get. Once you get it, you can't be fired, because tenured professors don't work for the university - they are the university.
Of course, as always and with everything when things are government-funded this all gets murkier, which is why the government needs to get out of education.
And by "get out of education" I mean "get out of education." This bill is the opposite of that.
"Is that our standard now? Prove to government that thing x has a valid reason to exist or we ban it?"
"Cannot figure out why government spending seems to hard for people to cut" said the people bitching about this.
“Cannot figure out why government spending seems to hard for people to cut” said the people bitching about this.
Read my whole comment. Like, the whole comment.
Your "whole" comment involves "Well, government should be out of education", except government is neck deep in it, there is little political will to change it --- so we have to equalize it. THAT is the option.
Tenure should have been abolished a long time ago. An utterly pointless perk for people with intellect but few useful skills.
The part you seem to have missed was:
"as always and with everything when things are government-funded this all gets murkier."
I'm not saying the Florida state government has no right to do this. I'm saying it's stupid, hypocritical, and authoritarian, and I'll go farther and say that's it's not going to accomplish its goals, either, and is only going to make things much, much worse in the short term.
My direct comment that you're responding to here is my taking issue with the assertion that if we can't make a knuckle-headed politician see the long-term value of thing, we should go ahead and ban it, when the simple fact is that no politician has the ability to judge what academic subjects have value and which don't. That's what tenured faculty are for.
And while I'm not a big fan of CRT, I'm going to go out on a limb and point out that DeSantis doesn't even know what CRT is, and call me old-fashioned but I personally think a politician should at least demonstrate a basic understanding of thing before banning it.
^this is why we're on the verge of totalitarianism.
Cowardice and loyalty to cosmo religion that calls itself principle.
Cowardice and loyalty to cosmo religion that calls itself principle.
Huh. I thought it was thugs who can't frame disagreement in any way that doesn't involve cosmic dualism and violence.
Ok I'll take a shot at framing a counter argument that doesn't involve cosmic dualism nor violence.
Colleges and universities have been progressively been teaching more and more CRT and woke ideology within for decades. As a result more and more education below the collegiate level has become more and more extreme such that teachers have decided that children (minors) do not belong to the parents (who birthed them and raise them). Instead, a person with 4 years of college education feels that they can keep secrets from parents regarding crucial information. On the business front, clerks at Starbucks have decided they can tell cisgendered men how to address their spouse (but interestingly enough never tell the women how to address their husbands) because CRT has taught that those who are offended (for whatever reason) to denigrate those designated as having privilege for any or even no reason what so ever. In business, CRT has brought about the dubious cry for equity. To hell with hiring on merit, only thru racism and reliance upon immutable characteristics such as melanin content can hiring be done. (Gender/sex of course is an entirely mutable characteristic and as such you are a phobic for even mentioning it.) In politics, CRT has rendered us with an administration that may be the most incompetent in history. A President that can't remember what he said yesterday, underlings that routinely say that what the President said was incorrect and that he didn't say what your lying ears heard. Heads of departments that disappear for months at a time during periods of crisis, blatant lies concerning prices of vital good and services, and weaponizing government agencies against one political opponents. Into such an environment, a rational person is introduced thru chaos theory. As a palliative course of action, this person introduces legislation to curtail the largest visible problem. Low hanging fruit as it were. This will not restore sanity and order in short order but will impart a change of course. As time goes on more course corrections may/may not be implemented. The beauty of regularly scheduled elections, the ability to elect officials to change the direction that we are traveling.
Colleges and universities have been progressively been teaching more and more CRT and woke ideology within for decades.
Yes and no. The problem with trying to ban CRT specifically is that CRT in-and-of-itself is not "the problem." The problem is way more complicated than that, and this bill aggresses on academic institutions in a way that will provoke a response without coming anyways near accomplishing its goal.
Rather than argue over who should get to dictate to academics, we should be concentrating on decoupling academia from the state altogether. It's already losing its influence culturally.
"Rather than argue over who should get to dictate to academics, we should be concentrating on decoupling academia from the state altogether."
You're not going to do that shit by protecting a totalitarian ideology.
The only way you stop force is with opposing force.
Rather than argue over who should get to dictate to academics, we should be concentrating on decoupling academia from the state altogether. It’s already losing its influence culturally.
I haven't actually seen this in evidence. Anything being floated on the humanities and social science sides of academia tends to get mainstreamed within ten years.
Said the piece of shit Nazi racialist throwing a temper tantrum because he just recently found out that state colleges are subject to rules set by the state.
Hmm
https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1629140300185874434?t=h_ysquzGAF42VZIgFEHpVw&s=19
DeSantis’ version of “freedom” means he controls what you learn, what is said, and how you express it.
He is single-handedly targeting all the individual pillars of the first amendment: freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, and now—freedom of the press.
You've chosen what you want to argue in favor of: continued promotion of the false and destructive postmodern nazi ideology.
And you've decided to take a stand against fighting it.
Loyalty to pretentious, parasitic academia uber alles it seems.
Thread:
https://twitter.com/etanthomas36/status/1629128122552528897?t=EV_APmnWfWYM54ONrrhgZQ&s=19
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Worth looking at s1000.05(4)(a):
"(4)(a) It shall constitute discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, or sex under this section to subject any student or employee to training or instruction that espouses, promotes, advances, inculcates, or compels such student or employee to believe any of the following concepts:
1. Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex are morally superior to members of another race, color, national origin, or sex.
2. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.
3. A person’s moral character or status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, national origin, or sex.
4. Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, national origin, or sex.
5. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex, bears responsibility for, or should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment because of, actions committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sex.
6. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex, should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion.
7. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress because of actions, in which the person played no part, committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sex.
8. Such virtues as merit, excellence, hard work, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindness are racist or sexist, or were created by members of a particular race, color, national origin, or sex to oppress members of another race, color, national origin, or sex."
So, they're prohibiting teaching racial supremacy and collective guilt. In the government's own schools!
I don't see the problem with that. And I don't think it's an accident Emma doesn't talk about what they're actually banning.
So, they’re prohibiting teaching racial supremacy and collective guilt. In the government’s own schools!
CRT doesn't teach that.
What the language also picks up are concepts like implicit bias, white/male privilege, systemic racism, racial/gender supremacy as organizing principles of the state, etc. Those are more central CRT concepts, they describe real-world phenomena, and they deserve to be taught in institutions of higher learning.
CRT *does* teach *that*.
It's rather like teaching crystals and astrology, made up nonsense that most people don't believe in. Guess we need to start funding those courses too.
PEN America...
They're one of the groups claiming that there are massive book bans going on, and have been a bastion of the literary elite.
"the literary elite"
Oh no!!!
Oh yes, they're typically Woke Democrats. Now, sockie, you got a point?
Can you name the last truly great novel? Was it before 1900?
Tolkien's The Hobbit (1937) and then the 3 books of the Lord of the Rings (Fellowship of the Rings 1954, The Two Towers 1955 and Return of the King 1955) but I think the advent of television and more recently computers has decimated truly great writing more then anything else.
Blood Meridian my Cormac Mccarthy is known as the 20th century Moby Dick. If you can get through the prose. Lack of quotation marks were a bitch at times.
Why should i have to struggle to enjoy a book? The Illiad and The Sagas are all eminently readible why should i have suffer through a pompius windbag's lack of an editor?
Tolkein sought to invent a British mythology such as the Sagas, but catholic.
He chose well.
The LOTR consists of eight books printed in three volumes.
Captain Underpants.
Poor Emma's postmodern nazi ideology is going to look stupid when realistic perspectives are admitted, how dare RDS!
If the Left did something like this conservatives would be shitting their pants over it. It wouldn't be Wokism, but it could be something else, couple of removal of tenure and state government making all hiring decisions. And the Right would be fucking nuts, and rightly so.
But the New Right is shameless in their authoritarian impulses.
Don't like what a professor is teaching? Don't take his classes and don't send your kids there. End of story.
The actual libertarian response is to privatize colleges and cut off any sort of direct taxpayer funding to academic institutions.
The Left already did this by taking over the faculties of most Universities. This is the Right actively doing something about it.
How did they 'take over' the faculties of most Universities?
Mostly by brigading the hiring committees and being overtly political in their lectures, ensuring an increasing ideological conformity.
There’s that thing where activist students take over the means of education and rule the roost through fear complicity, too.
How did they ‘take over’ the faculties of most Universities?
Sounds like right now, you should really just focus on finishing HS.
Fuck you can't be this stupid shrike. Choose one of dozens of studies on hiring based on political affiliation.
"How did they ‘take over’ the faculties of most Universities?"
As a start, read “Repressive Tolerance” by Marcuse.
In an ironic twist, his best known PhD student, Angela Davis, learned recently her ancestry includes a breeding pair of English on The Mayflower and a number of slavers.
The Left already did this by taking over the faculties of most Universities.
"The Left" did this by flooding the universities with candidates who then were able to gain some control over hiring.
"The Right" is passing laws saying what universities are and are not allowed to teach and giving the government control over whom they employ.
These two things are not the same.
"“The Left” did this by flooding the universities with candidates who then were able to gain some control over hiring."
Some control?
So, uh, wanna check that whole "partisan breakdown of professors" thing some?
So, uh, wanna check that whole “partisan breakdown of professors” thing some?
I'm perfectly aware of it. I happen to work at a major university.
Which part of that happened by government fiat?
And on that topic, it's actually worth noting that while Republicans are very underrepresented on University faculties compared to their numbers in the population, libertarians are over represented by an order of magnitude.
2 libertarians on a fucking campus is an over representation. Be still my beating heart.
And a lot of them are just progressives with a hard-on for hookers and weed.
"I’m perfectly aware of it. I happen to work at a major university.
Which part of that happened by government fiat?"
Ahhhh....extreme bias in hiring is OK. Got it. Funny, if minority groups were limited in similar manners --- by fiat or otherwise --- there'd be substantial action to rectify it.
We pay half of the freight for higher education. We are no longer sitting on the sidelines while it becomes more of a bastardized joke than it already is. We gave universities years to run it themselves and they, frankly, shat the bed.
Ahhhh….extreme bias in hiring is OK.
For most libertarians in most contexts, yes. Remember freedom of association?
if minority groups were limited in similar manners — by fiat or otherwise — there’d be substantial action to rectify it
And how do libertarians tend to feel about that?
We pay half of the freight for higher education.
Who is "we?" When I implied before that you're a Republican and not a libertarian, you got super pissed.
Where is your cake now that you've eaten it?
"For most libertarians in most contexts, yes. Remember freedom of association?"
...except the faculty is not the one PAYING for all of it. So, guess what is not really relevant? Cannot demand freedom of association on other people's dime.
"And how do libertarians tend to feel about that?"
Tell me how they feel about illegals on such matters...
"Who is “we?” When I implied before that you’re a Republican and not a libertarian, you got super pissed."
I'm a conservative. A large swath of Republicans are extremely not that.
…except the faculty is not the one PAYING for all of it. So, guess what is not really relevant? Cannot demand freedom of association on other people’s dime.
Where, again, the only actual solution is to get government out of education. Otherwise, your arguments are self-cancelling - you're essentially asserting that the government is only allowed to dictate curriculum and hiring practices if it's going in a conservative direction, when in fact that blade has two edges on it.
“And how do libertarians tend to feel about that?”
Tell me how they feel about illegals on such matters…
. . . huh?
I’m a conservative. A large swath of Republicans are extremely not that.
So you're a conservative, and a "large swath" of Republicans are 'extremely not' conservative.
I assume that you would count approximately zero Democrats or libertarians among conservatives.
So your down to being not a "large swath" of the roughly 25% of the country that identifies as Republican?
Where in this math do you wind up paying for 50% of public education?
"Liberals" (progressives) no, they do not tend to have any conservative beliefs. Like at all.
Quite a few libertarians are conservatives, in the terms of being pro individual rights and a support of not sending the military all hither and yon. I agree on many issues and disagree on several.
It's actually hilarious how you people think that the point of a university should be to coddle the precise beliefs you come into it with.
You're supposed to have your attitudes, political affiliations, and religions challenged at university. That's the whole fucking point.
Being a conservative isn't a class to be protected by affirmative action. Like all other worldviews, it's something you learn as a child that's meant to be challenged with study and nuance and even overthrown.
You guys don't understand what education is about even at a basic level.
I bet you’re a big fan of Lysenkoism.
I bet you don't have many historical referents that extend much beyond WWII.
Bitch, you don't even know anything that isn't straight out of the campus coffeehouse.
Because communism got fixed after that?
Tony, we understand all too well. The fact is that you’re a borderline retard leftist, incapable of grasping most concepts and ideas. So don’t ever think for a moment that you have no ability illuminate any word, concept, or idea.
Best you just slither back under your rock. Adults are talking here.
First off what do you mean "you people"? Racist 101
Second, if attitudes, political affiliations and religions were as lightly challenged as using incorrect pronouns college would be vastly different, but you know, mobs.
Third, liberals recognize no nuance or even study. Liberals espouse lived experience > facts, "my" truth = "the" truth, and disagreement = (subject)ism/phobia.
Did you learn that in a university, or did you learn it at RideTrumpCock.news?
Is that what you jack it to while shoving your 16 inch dildo up your ass?
Seriously Tony, you’re as big a bigot as Misek.
Of course, "the left" is largely made up of people who got a liberal education in a place where they met different types of people from those found in the holler of their birth.
Conservatives by definition are those who can't handle any description of the world that differs from what they learned as young children.
I don't see why there needs to be a more nefarious explanation than that. The whole point of higher education is to produce liberals.
You can always tell when their degree was worthless, by how much they attempt to flex their education. Children of of the nomenklatura, raised to be the vanguard of the revolution. From their lofty heights the will guide the proles to the promised land. And on that day They will be first among equals.
“My Marxist professor told me cultural Marxism is an alt right myth!”
Tony has stated here previously that his IQ is only 85. And I suspect his degree is in grievance studies, or perhaps some worthless sociology discipline.
And he was inflating his score when he did so.
Conservatives by definition are those who can’t handle any description of the world that differs from what they learned as young children.
If you think the contemporary academic left has any tolerance for hearing things they don't agree with, all I can say is you haven't been on a college campus in a while.
Maybe because the things you try to tell them are stupid. Perhaps they're exasperated about hearing about the virtues of western civilization for the millionth time.
Care to guess what civilization was behind the university system?
Persia?
Incorrect, but unsurprising from a Nazi racialist "academic"
Why not? It's the whole reason they have a university to sit in to begin with.
That was quick.
Maybe because the things you try to tell them are stupid.
Is the deepest you're going to think about this?
Yes - of course it is.
The things you try to tell them are certainly stupid. I know the things you believe.
I'm not saying liberal professors can't be assholes. But their ideas are mostly correct and conservatives are retards.
LOL, liberals haven't been trafficking in correct beliefs for about 50 years.
At least the economy grows when they're in power, in contrast to the increasingly catastrophic crashes that happen every time conservatives are in power.
Tony, trash like destroy economies. So just stop. You embarrass yourself.
Having grown up in a right-leaning town, but with a school staffed by leftist staff, I realize that my parents simply allowed me to learn by experience that not every concept I brought home from school was TRUTH. So, how do you explain my libertarian (often snarled as "conservative" by leftists) outlook?
A true liberal education is about experiencing a wide varieties of views, not indoctrination into the proper ONE TRUE worldview that one's college profs personally hold to.
I explain it by noting that not everyone succeeds at gaining a robust education at university. All engineering and computer science majors, for example.
Yes, engineering students need the majesty of sociology classes.
They evidently need some sort of liberal arts exposure. So many of them come out with the most retarded political and philosophical beliefs.
And knowledge, and marketable skills. Just be thankful that they pay into the welfare system that keeps you in food stamps and work in the industries that keep your electricity on and your internet access available and shut the fuck up, faggot.
Because they are taught how to think objectively instead of subjectively moron. Post modernism go that route to allow retards to think they are intelligent. They are not.
Such an adequate demonstration of the near-zero sophistication of your philosophical approach.
You don't know what you don't know. I know I don't know how to design a bridge. I know what bridges are. You don't know the first thing about the history of human thought, and you aren't even aware that it exists.
You don’t know the first thing about the history of human thought, and you aren’t even aware that it exists.
Just because your marxist professors provided a blinkered version of it doesn't mean you know the history.
Jesus --> Ayn Rand --> Trump. That about cover it?
You think liberals are all indoctrinated because you don't understand how thinking works absent indoctrination.
You can't even conceive of a form of thinking that doesn't involve absolute beliefs you defend beyond absurdity.
Tony lecturing anyone on indoctrination is ducking hilarious.
Thanks for the laughs Tony.
Retarded political and philosophical beliefs, Tony? You mean like the retarded ones you hold so dear?
Tony, YOU have retarded political and philosophical beliefs. Your borderline retardation is not helpful, of course. But you don’t have to be such an ignorant, malignant, Marxist piece of shit.
That is why Harvey Mudd College requires its math, science and engineering students to minor in a humanity and take about a third of their coursework in the humanities.
Why not require humanities majors take a similar load of math and science courses?
Because none of them would graduate.
I know right? It’s like they’ve never read Marx and don’t understand that we should structure society with from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs!
Have you always been this much of a retarded bigot, Tony?
That's presuming cultural marxist classes produce anything of value, which they don't. Most of them would actually collapse if students weren't forced to take "diversity credits" to graduate.
You're literally quoting Nazi rhetoric.
He's literally not. And you're literally an actual unironic Nazi racialist.
The cultural marxists didn't become prominent in American universities until long after the Nazis collapsed. Their classes didn't become mandatory to graduate until the 1980s.
If you're going to act like a marxist parrot, at least try to not show off how utterly fucking ignorant you actually are.
You conservatards are so beside yourself with anguish over the thought that someone, somewhere might learn something wrong.
The point of an education is to learn how to think for yourself. Churches are for indoctrination. For the life of me, I don't know why you aren't aiming more of your vitriol in their direction.
More of Tony’s anti religious bigotry on display. Just because they don’t approve of your sodomitic behavior. Or your complete lack of empathy and decency.
True. The Long March Through The Institutions is not the same as preventing Nazi racialist pieces of shit like yourself from imposing Nazi racialism on students attending public universities paid for by the taxpayers. Since you're so convinced that academia will collapse without your Nazi racialism, feel free to go start the University Of Nazi Racialism and see how many students you attract.
The government controlling government schools? Quelle surprise.
The Left has not abolished tenure and made faculty hiring dependent on the government's approval.
They’ve made hiring dependent on DEI. Which is flat out identity marxism. Kind of streamlines the potential political diversity a bit.
https://twitter.com/KeenanPeachy/status/1628992099780812800?t=CAwAtwQRPT0DW0q67Ti5OA&s=19
Nowhere does "wokeness" have more real-world, brutal consequences than in the Rejection pile in the admissions offices at America's top colleges.
Because we're still in the very early years of a hard reset out of meritocracy to pure identity-ocracy, we don't have enough robust alt 4-year higher ed options for kids who excel. Going to be a bumpy ride!
The funny part is I had darker skin than probably 95% of the grad students I had classes with, but I wouldn't even get accepted there today because I wouldn't provide their stupid loyalty DEI oath.
Why would they when they run the machine that grants tenure and makes hiring decisions at ostensibly public colleges and universities you retarded Nazi racialist piece of shit?
The power and importance of the conservative victimhood narrative. The right is justified in anything they do because, “the left started it!” “We’re the victims! We’re just fighting back!”
It’s not like they invented the idea of a victimhood story to justify one’s actions. It’s an age-old human invention that has cropped all over human history.
As my mom told me, "Just because everyone else is jumping off a cliff doesn't mean you have to as well!"
Which is what floridas doing. It’s not going along with the academic wokesplosion.
True. I just encourage the leftists to do it. Every dead leftist brings America a little closer to restoring it’s freedoms.
Remember how you spent a year trying to get everybody in the Reason comments to come join your moderated Quora server because you were ostensibly being bullied by "Mean Girls"? Lmfao.
Seems like just a month ago you claimed government censoring thought on social media was conservative victimhood. Weird.
Don’t like what a professor is teaching? Don’t take his classes and don’t send your kids there. End of story.
The actual libertarian response is to privatize colleges and cut off any sort of direct taxpayer funding to academic institutions.
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But given that that option is not on the table, this is the option remaining.
But given that that option is not on the table, this is the option remaining.
This is not an option in any meaningful sense. It's just more political/authoritarian bullshit. The bill is full of ideological proscriptions for the universities, and this sort of thing is always, and I mean always the express ticket bound for shitty academics.
Demanding that higher education and research-oriented facilities only investigate and teach what politicians have already decided is correct is bad, every time, no matter who is doing it, and no matter why.
On the upside, this kind of thing is going to turn public universities into such shit shows that the day when people wonder why we continue to fund these stupid things comes that much sooner.
"This is not an option in any meaningful sense."
...yet it is being done. Seems like a viable option.
"It’s just more political/authoritarian bullshit. The bill is full of ideological proscriptions for the universities, and this sort of thing is always, and I mean always the express ticket bound for shitty academics."
The courses the state has decided to stop funding are ALREADY meeting places for shitty academics. There is no loss here.
"OH NO. IF ONLY AN ETHNIC STUDIES PROFESSOR WAS HERE!" is something nobody has said at any point in human history.
"Demanding that higher education and research-oriented facilities only investigate and teach what politicians have already decided is correct is bad, every time, no matter who is doing it, and no matter why."
They've been doing that for fucking decades. Fucking hell, how much grant money is churned out by the government every damned year? A little late to complain.
"On the upside, this kind of thing is going to turn public universities into such shit shows that the day when people wonder why we continue to fund these stupid things comes that much sooner."
Yeah, THIS will lead to it. Not that it has been the case for quite a while already.
The courses the state has decided to stop funding are ALREADY meeting places for shitty academics.
And how was this determined, by these politicians?
They’ve been doing that for fucking decades. Fucking hell, how much grant money is churned out by the government every damned year?
We're not talking about grant money - we're talking about a legislature actually drawing legal boundaries around which political views they will allow to be taught and which they will mandate to be taught.
The only such proscriptions I've ever seen in law have been against teaching or espousing Communism, which again I don't think came from Democrats.
“OH NO. IF ONLY AN ETHNIC STUDIES PROFESSOR WAS HERE!” is something nobody has said at any point in human history.
And prior to the 1800s "if only we had a physicist around" was something no one had ever said.
I'm not saying CRT or Gender Studies are anything like Newtonian physics (which was considered proverbially irrelevant at the time of publication), but Universities are best thought of as the place where we keep all the monkeys with the typewriters. One of them is going to produce Hamlet someday, and taking typewriters away from the ones whose work appears to you to not have immediate value only hampers that mission.
Not that it has been the case for quite a while already.
That's exactly what I said. And that this bill won't stop that, but on the contrary will in fact accelerate it.
You mean conservatives will STILL be lepers on campuses?
I don't see the negatives here.
You mean conservatives will STILL be lepers on campuses?
I don’t see the negatives here.
Now you're just being flippant, and pretending the current situation is worse than it is to feed a partisan victim complex.
There are currently conservative on college campuses, they're just not 20% of the faculty. There are libertarians - about 10% of the faculty.
The reason DEI is currently used as a covert political filter is that we all agree that a political litmus test is not appropriate in that circumstance, perhaps even not legal.
But you want to change all that.
Cheering on the government taking control of the curriculum because the Good Guys are currently in charge, yes, will just further justify the alienation of you and your ilk from academia, even more aggressively than it's already happening, under the overt color of law, just as you are right now advocating doing to your own political enemies (and thus you will have no position from which to complain about it).
If you can't see how that goes badly, I don't even know what to tell you.
"If you don't let us continue to teach Nazi racialism to students in public colleges and universities on the taxpayer dole then the 8 conservative professors in a faculty of 1500 will be hated even more than they already are!"
This is so incredibly retarded it could only possibly come from a Nazi racialist academic. Here's a clue for you: nobody respects your Nazi racialist profession, and the only reason they indulge you is because they need a piece of paper in order to enter the work force.
You do know the colleges are free to stop accepting state funds right?
Well then it's a good thing that's not actually happening and that what is actually happening is that Nazi racialist pieces of shit like you are just being denied taxpayer money to force your Nazi racialist ideology onto young adults in public colleges and universities as a condition of graduation.
It's carte blanch for the Left to do whatever the fuck they when they get back into power. And you will wonder what happened. Who gave them that power? You did, when you gave it to DeSantis in the name of KulturWar.
That horse is out of the barn and halfway to Albuquerque by now.
Biden’s enshrining equity in executive orders at this point. It’s happening in states nationwide. Corporations and schools have been captured for a few years now.
Let Florida do it and see how it turns out.
DeSantis hasn't even declared he is running for President and he has to be worse than Trump who in turn was worse than Hitler! This was predicted in the Auguries of the Year of Double Scores "...and another shall arise with easy smiles and sense of the commoners who shall not have the mark of the beast upon him because he shall be the beast, and the enlightened leaders shall wail and gnash teeth..."
This has been a test of the public sarcasm system. This is only a test. Had this been an actual sarcasm, I would be having a beer and wanting to nap.
Gee, I sure hope they don't mandate that all hiring be based on racialist ideology or make Nazi racialism a core component of the curriculum...
It’s carte blanch for the Left to do whatever the fuck they when they get back into power.
Wake up, that's been happening for at least the past ten years. Look how much they throw a tantrum when one of their own, like Sinema, doesn't follow them in 100% lockstep.
What the fuck point is this supposed to be?
Yeah, Democrats were mad that some dingbat sunk half their legislative agenda for no apparent reason. Want to write a law against that too?
LOL, you dumbshits really don't like being reminded that you demand 100 percent compliance. No wonder you get so butt-blasted when people shove that back in your face.
So the evidence that Democrats demand 100% compliance is an example of Democrats being unable to get 50 votes in the Senate among themselves without having to compromise.
Projection is such a boring concept, but it's almost exclusively what you do. Fuck, I wish Democrats were more dogmatic and lockstep. We'd get more done.
No, you would just end up in a landfill faster. God help you when your kind push just a little past the breaking point. Then we can be rid of you.
I truly hope it ends horrifically for you Tony.
Biden purged the military when he came into office. The Left routinely purges opposing views. Why do you think the bureaucracy hated Trump for not agreeing with THEIR foreign policy goals when HIS goals were the only ones that mattered when he was in the WH?
Trump going against the bureaucracy's foreign policy goals was a major reason noted moron Vindman decided to forego all proper channels to bring his whiny bitchfest to Democrats instead of to his superiors.
"Oh no, DeSantis is going to empower progressives to...well, do what they always seen to do anyway"
As Obama had purged the higher ranks of the military before, and Clinton had purged the security state before that.
The Left took that power for themselves long ago.
But beyond that, these ARE state schools so the STATE government gets to decide this shit.
I cannot believe how many ostensibly libertarian posters are here bitching about the state government saying that discriminatory and race hustling bullshit has no place in STATE schools.
https://reason.com/2023/02/24/ron-desantis-wants-to-cultivate-viewpoint-diversity-by-censoring-universities/?comments=true#comment-9942055
The militant libertarian position is to eliminate the source of the oppression. By all means necessary.
Difficulty on choosing not to take it.... it is a requirement of every majornfor gen ed and now even medical school.
"If the Left did something like this conservatives would be shitting their pants over it."
They HAVE been. For fucking decades.
They HAVE been. For fucking decades.
By which laws, exactly?
When the faculty has near total control over hiring, laws are not needed to limit people the faculty does not want.
Do you just assume no conservatives want to work as professors? They are the one group in existence who just won't do the job?
Do you just assume no conservatives want to work as professors?
The number of conservative professors is quite far from zero. And yes, it's largely a matter of them not seeking the jobs in the first place. There are all kinds of theories as to why but the trend itself is pretty clear.
I mean, seriously - where have they been? It's not like it's been a secret that the left has been working for several generations to become the majority in these institutions. It's been right out in the open in front of God and everyone. Not one single thing in the world prevented the Republicans from doing the exact same thing.
What am I missing?
"The number of conservative professors is quite far from zero. And yes, it’s largely a matter of them not seeking the jobs in the first place. There are all kinds of theories as to why but the trend itself is pretty clear."
Again, the ONLY group who does not want a job in universities are conservatives. Do you realize how asinine a theory that is?
Colleges set up full programs to get black faculty. Ditto women. Set up entire "academic disciplines" (let's be real, they aren't) to give them jobs. Sure, almost none were in those positions before --- but, for some reason, THAT was a problem that had to be fixed. And fix it they did.
Why was it not self-apparent that minority groups did not want jobs in universities? Fuck, they still fall over themselves to try and hire women in STEM fields. Why no assumption that they do not want to do that?
Yes, conservatives alone CHOOSE to not take a job that, bluntly, is not that hard.
Colleges set up full programs to get black faculty. Ditto women.
AKA "immutable characteristics." Being "Republican" is not in that same order of category.
It's a demonstrable fact that conservatives seek jobs in academia, especially in the Humanities, at lower rates than 'liberals.' It probably has at least something to do with a bias among conservatives towards productive work.
But you do raise a valid point in that the left-leaning academic departments are not doing outreach efforts to try to get Republicans in the same way they do (I'm going to give you this much better analogy for free) Muslims, for example.
But again, as a self-identified "conservative" you're complaining about the horse having left the barn when you were sitting right there when the door was opened and the horse was shooed out and you did fuck all about it. And now you want to lash out with a law that's only going to make things worse rather than have to demonstrate that conservatives have a place in academia by attempting to actually get a place in academia the same way 'the left' did - i.e. by actually doing it.
If state money is pushing DEI, state money is pushing identity based socialism. When diversity officers start aggregating more and more power to set a specific political agenda, then in necessarily eliminates opposing ideas.
You don’t need explicit laws to flip everything on its head. You just need to place “equity” above “equality” and you now necessarily have discrimination.
All of these libertarian principles we’re arguing the parameters of, are based on rights and legal equality, not equity.
They’re not playing by the same rules at all. Using public money to enforce equity is what should be unconstitutional.
Using public money to enforce equity is what should be unconstitutional.
And my money says that once faced with serious legal challenge, like the anti-Asian discrimination cases, we're going to find that actual law courts don't let you just swap words out and pretend you legislated something.
DEI programs are doomed because everyone knows they're bullshit, especially the people that the programs loudly claim to be 'helping.' DEI programs are essentially what Marx called 'bourgeois socialism' - a pretense that the people in power need to be kept in power because they're helping the little people. The little people tend to notice, however, the lack of actual helping going on.
The main problem is that DEI regimens are currently taking the overall quality of academia down with them, and I agree that some effort to rein this in on the administrative side would be a good thing, because that's actually where most of the worst things going on in academia are coming from.
This bill, however, does not limit itself to the administrative side - it's actually looking to correct content on the academic side.
BuILd yOuR oWN uNiVErSiTY then you retarded piece of fucking shit. If you want to teach your Nazi racialist ideology you can do it on your own dime instead of on the taxpayer's dime by forcing young adults to take your class or else forego graduation.
DEI is now at every major corporation because we were told to not pay attention, no big deal, it will stay on campus.
I know you aren’t this naive.
Biden literally just signed an EO enforcing it at every federal agency for fucks sake.
The state and universities are already using public resources to establish this shit.
DEI should be explicitly banned in all colleges that receive even a penny of government money. Period. And I would look for any pretext to attack any private college who engages in this ‘diversity’ bullshit.
>And yes, it’s largely a matter of them not seeking the jobs in the first place.
Doesn't matter, if we must focus on getting minorities and women into STEM despite the lack of interest, we can focus on getting Conservatives into Education.
How about 'The use of race to determine admittance is a allowable government objective.'(College admissions) 'Parents voicing concerns at school board meetings are conducting terrorist operations within the United States.'(DOJ) 'The Director of the IRS investigating conservative groups exclusively, while disturbing, is not something that will be curtailed.'(Lois Lerner)
What's to be ashamed of? Is D-Sanctimonious not mystical, altruistic and Christian? His dictates are therefore ipso facto right and good! It's all in the premises... The guy didn't get a D-minus in ethics for nothing!
Hey congrats Hankie, that's the first time you've used the word "Christian" without the word "Taliban" or "Nazi" following it. Your late-stage terminal dementia is actually improving your nonsensical writing.
The new right can't stand the fact they lost control of the institutions, not because of government dictate, but by organic happening simply based on who gravitated towards working for the institutions of government and education.
Now, instead of trying to win this "culture war" the way they lost it, slow, progressive societal accomplishment, they are tossing out their own purported ideals and utilizing government power to force it.
It's literally doing that which you hate to fight that which you hate. It won't end well for the right if they continue this tactic.
CRT is an explicitly racist ideology. I have no problem with a university teaching students the history and tenets of the KKK and Nazi party. But I do have a problem with universities recruiting students into these organizations and forcing them to express fealty to racist ideologies in order to graduate. There are mountains of evidence that universities are demanding that students subscribe to racist CRT ideology. I think the state actually has an obligation to end that.
"CRT is an explicitly racist ideology. I have no problem with a university teaching students the history and tenets of the KKK and Nazi party. But I do have a problem with universities recruiting students into these organizations and forcing them to express fealty to racist ideologies in order to graduate."
I agree with this, and I think it's important that the bill does not prevent instructors from discussing CRT tenets from a neutral position. I don't think it does that.
I'm a Desantis fan, but this bill does seem too broad. I would pass legislation that does not make taking CRT or other similar classes a graduation requirement. Heck, I don't know why a student enrolled in some nursing program needs to take theater appreciation class to meet fine arts requirement. Give the students choices, and if not enough of them are enrolled in curriculum unrelated to their major, then adjust funding accordingly.
I would pass legislation that does not make taking CRT or other similar classes a graduation requirement.
I think this is defensible from a public-funding angle, i.e. that you can't make politically ideological courses of any kind requirements for graduation at a public university. This would actually include a lot of the mandates in this bill, which doesn't merely ban certain ideological approaches, but also mandates others.
This is also what I suggest they do. It would be defensible if DeSantis stopped at merely making sure politically contentious courses such as CRT are not part of graduation requirements.
If the bill doesn’t address DEI in public university administrations, then that’s its ultimate shortcoming.
If the bill doesn’t address DEI in public university administrations, then that’s its ultimate shortcoming.
And it doesn't, really. It prohibits them from using those three specific words. Of 23 pages, the only bit that even mentions the administration, rather than micromanaging professor hiring, getting rid of tenure, and dictating course content, is this:
A state university is prohibited from using diversity, equity, and inclusion statements, Critical Race Theory rhetoric, or other forms of political identity filters as part of the hiring process, including as part of applications for employment, promotion and tenure, conditions of employment, or reviewing qualifications for employment. This paragraph applies to the hiring process for any position at the university, including the position of president of the university.
Which, sure, fine - in the abstract, sounds like it's really a thing, sort of. But why do they use DEI statements now? Because they already got told they weren't allowed to issue political litmus tests in the form of questions about your disposition towards Social Justice.
No such ruling of a court has ever been issued, but that's a cool narrative to justify your Marxist gatekeeping of the university hiring process in order to teach your Nazi racialist bullshit.
"And it doesn’t, really. It prohibits them from using those three specific words."
Not true. It doesn't prohibit them from saying "gay", either.
As I point out above, the bill incorporates by reference an earlier statutory list of concepts state schools are prohibited from advocacy of. A list of very obnoxious concepts, too, which is why opponents of this sort of legislation are careful not to discuss what it ACTUALLY does.
Actually, you lying fuckhole, it doesn't do anything of the kind. What it does is take away your little fiefdom, and you're seething about it like a typical passive aggressive impotent little bitch. If you want to teach Nazi racialism, go start the University Of Nazi Racialism and see how many students attract. If you want to suck the taxpayer tit then get used to the taxpayer being your boss.
LOL at the new 50center they've assigned us.
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
This bill may be a bad idea but to call it "blatantly unconstitutional" is unhinged.
This bill seeks to control the curriculum at publicly-funded schools. That decision is entirely within the paymaster's authority. And in this case, the paymaster is the state Legislature. It may be a bad idea but not all bad ideas are unconstitutional - or even illegal.
Agree. If CA can mandate ethnic studies, FL can forbid it (though both might be bad ideas).
Notice that Reason doesn't decry mandatory ethnic studies.
Oh what the hell, lets just suspend evictions for failure to pay rent by Executive Order!
It may be a bad idea but not all bad ideas are unconstitutional – or even illegal.
And it's not even really that bad of an idea. It's not like Critical Race Theory is the next evolution in green or nuclear energy or putting colonies on another planet or the next generation of quantum computing. Even as an actual educational topic, it's an exceptionally modern subset of a subset of an actual educational curriculum or degree program.
Imagine the retarded CF we'd be in today if some state mandated Ebonics or some accreditation organization came up with an AP Ebonics or AP New Math curriculum.
I'd like to refer you to my elementary grandson's math. O. M. G. Also, to teach concepts like adding, subtracting by using numbers is LITERALLY (yes, literally) incorrect.
I like where DeSantis is going, but I don't like how he's getting there.
Still, this only affects state colleges and universities (right?) so that seems fair.
At this point, I’m absolutely for a little proactive “states as laboratories” to see if it just might be crazy enough to work. I doubt it can fail the world as hard as Ivy League law schools are doing now.
Ron DeSantis Wants To Cultivate ‘Viewpoint Diversity’ by Censoring Universities
Emma Camp Wants To Decrease Viewpoint Diversity by Portraying Everything, Even Non-Western Ideas, As Systemically Racist, Raise Tuition Costs, And Increase Student Loan Forgiveness By Hiring More DEI Administrators And CRT Educators.
Seriously, Emma, do you read your own co-workers' work? There’s dubious evidence that these DEI and CRT programs produce any measurable results even at their supposed aims. Beyond their aims, they’re plainly racist, Marxist and, as imposed by the State, unConstitutional. To portray this as “Ronnie D. bad.” makes you look crazy by your own peers’ and co-workers’ standards.
I’d like to get Reason’s take on UNESCO’s call to synchronize all higher education with promoting activism for the UNs “sustainability goals”. And It’s already showing up in grade school study guides funded by the charitable wing of the NEA. While we’re championing “true” diversity of thought and heckling bureaucrats with plans for us all, is that one worth a mench?
Or is it missing a certain sweet, sweet Florida Man angle?
That’s a lot of word salad just to accuse Reason of DeSantis Derangement Syndrome.
UNESCO states that higher education (world wide) should be geared towards achieving its 17 sustainability goals. The push (with NEA, WEF, and international finance help) has begun for grade schools, too.
World government is trying to shape American students to align with their 2030 agenda. Reason has made hay with way less than that when some one running for some random government position so much as tweets we should slow down immigration…. or suggests that political speech might be protect by the CRA….
Why does none of this ever amount to a threat to liberty? When it’s WAY more prevalent and current?
Why did you throw in that last line: “Or is it missing a certain sweet, sweet Florida Man angle?”
Probably to emphasize the fact that Reason only covers these issues when it can be used as a cudgel against a potential presidential candidate they don't like, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq.
No, you’re just a leftist retard.
How does this affect immigration? More or fewer immigrants?
Oh, for fuck's sake.
If this were an attempt to regulate private actors, sure, there'd be a clear unconstitutionality. But state colleges and universities are organs of the state government; their speech is state government speech, so the state government gets to dictate exactly what ideas they are allowed to support. And their professors are state government employees, so the state government gets to dictate what they're allowed to say when they're on the job.
And their professors are state government employees, so the state government gets to dictate what they’re allowed to say when they’re on the job.
It's not that simple. There have been cases regarding political interference at public universities. The few that have reached the Supreme Court seem to be ones regarding things like loyalty oaths in the 50s and 60s, where Keyishian v. Bd. of Regents, 385 U.S. 589 (1967), struck down such a loyalty oath not to belong to "subversive groups" imposed on all university employees in New York. It went further than that in dicta and stated a broad principle of academic freedom existing that was rooted in the 1st Amendment.
“Our Nation is deeply committed to safeguarding academic freedom, which is of transcendent value to all of us and not merely to the teachers concerned. That freedom is therefore a special concern of the First Amendment, which does not tolerate laws that cast a pall of orthodoxy over the classroom.”
*For those that aren't lawyers, and I am not one either, dicta is a statement within a court ruling that is not directly addressing the case at hand, but it instead expressing a related principle. It is not legally binding on lower courts, but it can be persuasive and does often get referenced when lower courts rule on cases.
Yes, it is that simple. The idea that "academic freedom" at public universities is a Constitutional right of the professors is not supported by the Constitution's text or history, nor by precedent.
Lower court rulings based on a non-binding free-floating assertion from the Warren Court might as well be stamped "Reverse me!" when appealed to the current Supreme Court, which quite properly understands that the Warren Court routinely spouted unjustified bullshit.
More ?blessings? of Commie-Education....
Because only Gov-GUNS teach children..../s
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The UC system is not allowed to use "Affirmative Action" so instead they have instituted a required 'Diversity Statement' for all applying undergrad, grad, and faculty members to rank applicants on the DEI they bring. Further, they have removed most standardized testing reqs.
Non-hisp Whites in CA are 38% of the pop, recent UC undergrad admiss (touted as 'most diverse') has them at 20%. This also does not take into acct that a large portion of that is not of Euro background with approx 8% being Jewish and more of ME ancestry
Further, each faculty candidate is assessed on a DEI rubric as part of the hiring process. From what I have heard, the hiring process is so onerous due to admin that even hiring quality machinists is difficult.
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The ‘Jews are a race’ crap again. Judaism is a religion not a race. Eastern European Jewish people are Europeans.
https://twitter.com/18airbornecorps/status/1629182503679414272?t=d17DJlmIrtKmGzJYecuiNQ&s=19
Fort Bragg to officially change name to Fort Liberty, celebration planned for June
Disgusting.
Look at Emma.. and tell me she is not Emily Coors. Ironically, both of their reporting and approaches to conservative politics are the same; a combination of personal attack and mind reading. At a libertarian reading a site that reads a site that allegedly espouses these values, one would assume that legislative critique would fall into two categories: the impact on liberty and or the applicability to every individual. Universities clearly have been in the group camp for a while. So, what is the test (as they say in SCOTUS)? Can either a liberal or a conservative freely express themselves without fear of reprisal or physical violence? No. As a recipient of Federal Funds, are the universities ensuring this environment is available to any individual? No. Should Universities, as a recipient of Federal Funds, ensure 1st Amendment rights to any individual on campus? Yes. Should universities, as a recipient of Federal Funds, censure any University Professor or curriculum that meets common definitions or subversion / sedition as found in U.S. Code Title 18? Yes.
The author is obviously totally clueless as to what is actually happening in U.S. universities. Read the blog entry by Cliff Mass, professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Washington, on what the hundred strong DEI office has done to that university.
Look, D-Sanctimonious is, according to comedian-impersonator Meeces von Smif, Da Sancty is da only convincing libertarian-impersonator governing a redneck state. According to Smif, it would be the equivalent of baby-killing for the LP to even field a candidate in the Florida gubernatorial race, lest by our spoiler votes some LIBERAL (see Merriam-Webster.com) were to win and give bitches or hippies the idea they are individuals with rights!
One wonders if the Jews, blacks and Hispanics in Miami-Dade will become non-rednecks again if they start voting blue like the Nazi racialist piece of shit Hankie Phillips told them to. Bunch of uppity niggers, spics, and kikes the lot of them, right Hankie, you Nazi racialist piece of shit?
I don't suppose it occurs to any of you cousin-fucking rednecks that disliking the subject matter of a particular course in a university does not necessitate using the government to force that university to adopt the preferences of politicians.
True, but conservatives do have a legitimate complaint that sometimes such subjects are required courses for graduation. Of course, that would have been fairly simple for DeSantis to address without all the overreach in this bill.
A course on critical race theory, for example, doesn't hurt anybody though. At worst people leave courses like that being annoying at parties.
I want to hear a politician's climate change policy before they even start opening their mouth to complain about petty shit like this, let alone treat it as the most important issue in the universe for years on end.
It is hurt people, though, if they get a bad grade (or worse) if they write a paper where they disagree with the professor’s views.
Welcome to life, snowfuck.
I got my only B in college because I wrote from an atheistic perspective when the professor required me to believe in God. Did I call my nearest legislator?
You people are mad becuase you can't compete in the marketplace ideas. Your big idea is to burn the books containing them.
You're just upset that you might get your own repressive tolerance shoved down your throat for once.
I neither want to repress nor tolerate anyone.
Do you people have nothing better to do than complain about what other people are thinking and feeling?
If I had that kind of time, do you have any idea what I'd have to say about the manners of Trumpers? Am I really at a disadvantage because I'm not running to the nearest legislature to force them to be politically correct?
Your fellow travelers are already using legislatures to e force your Marxism on Americans.
“You people”
LOL, do you ever read my comments and the responses I get? I’m clearly not welcomed as a member of “you people”.
So why indulge this nonsense? Republicans don't have anything useful to say about how professors in liberal arts colleges do their jobs.
I don't understand why almost every comment on a libertarian site is about how politicians must step in and correct parents and experts for doing their jobs.
Look at my other comments on this page. I’m not indulging this nonsense. I’m criticizing DeSantis for going too far.
However, conservatives actually have a point about universities forcing students to bend a knee and profess their belief in progressive ideas to pass their graduation requirements. It is entirely reasonable to stop public universities from such ideological impositions.
It is unreasonable to go any further, though, as DeSantis is trying to do.
Lol, even when faced with the reality that he will be lined up against the wall along with the “Mean Girls” and cousin-fuckers, Mike doesn’t get where he is on Tony’s totem pole.
And sometimes it does.
I don't suppose it ever occurred to your AIDS-riddled bug-chasing faggot ass that you're not entitled to teach Nazi racialism on the taxpayer's dime in public schools. If you want to go join Square = Circle's University of Nazi Racialism, feel free. Just don't be surprised if that AA in queer theory from Tulsa Community College that took you 14 years to earn doesn't transfer.
See neo-pronouns.
https://twitter.com/FischerKing64/status/1628906352386121729?t=1-n5Rfx8kNgmKdg6N7l1bA&s=19
Stanford’s incoming class is 22% white. Less than half of that is white men. Now I’m speculating, but admitted white men are likely connected - legacies, or just bought way in. The rural math genius like John Nash - he has no chance. United States is publicly committing suicide.
If you want to survive as a nation you have to care about your heritage stock, and you have to look for talent everywhere and cultivate it wherever you find it. The United States in its DEI form is repulsive, and when it collapses it will deserve it.
Consider that conservatives are pursuing affirmative action lawsuits on behalf of Asians because they are capped at about 10-12% of top schools. They’re still overrepresented by factor of 3. White men are 30-35% of population, but maybe 10% of top schools - Con Inc doesn’t care.
Here is link to VDH podcast I heard. Go to 55:30, and listen for a couple minutes, where he discusses "recently released" admissions stats for Stanford.
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Racism against non Jewish European Americans is the norm at universities these days it seems.
Those Europeans need to get their grades and test scores up. By the way, there is affirmative action starting up for white guys as well as minority guys at colleges. They can’t compete with the women on the basis of grades and essays etc. I don’t see a particular problem with this. The guys need help.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/men-far-more-likely-to-benefit-from-affirmative-action-in-college-admissions/
According to the Nazi racialist Square = Circle, that's just because white men are too stupid and inbred to attend college. They only want to go work on trucks and bang rocks together.
Yes, politicians decide what curricula and majors are funded at public universities. Imagine that!
But it's just not fair!!!!!!! I should be allowed to teach my Nazi racialism to students who have no choice but to take my class in order to graduate and the taxpayers should have no say in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Square = Circle, the Nazi racialist.
Cultural marxists have infected US universities since the 1930's but their power was kept in check by the threat of the USSR from a political perspective...once that fell, they were open to push their "diversity" agenda which was rejected in the 90s only to come back with a vengeance since Obmmer. To be honest all these liberal art departments are infested with these bolshies which stamp down free speech. One of my kids finished Ithaca college a few years ago when the "Proud Latina woman" was President (she later resigned because of a sexual harassment felony) and the campus dripped in contempt of Italian and Irish Americans by the woke left. These parasites need to be removed from universities and I applaud the great state of Florida in undertaking this crusade against communism.
You should cite Mein Kampf when you quote from it.
You were probably taught National Socialists weren’t socialists, too.
Well, Tony, you should know: “Mein Kampf” is your favorite book, and you frequently paraphrase from it and from the Nazi party program!
He’s also a big fan of the tenets of ‘The Communist Manifesto’.
You should read a wikipedia synopsis of Mein Kampf so you have some clue what it says so you don't look like such a retarded faggot when you ascribe quotations to it that aren't quotations. You'll like most of it! It's full of compulsory racism just like you like.
The only 'political orthodoxy' I see here is 'you can't teach a philosophy that rejects academic freedom' - as DEI and CRT do.
Beyond that, they're state schools - why should the state not have a say in who they hire and what they teach. These are all basically technical schools anyway - they're not allowing diverse viewpoints in the first place so taking charge and specifying the allowed viewpoint is nothing here.
Finally, maybe try to understand why this is all happening and then tailor articles to convincing people why this should not happen - not posting articles aimed at confirming the beliefs of those who already agree with you?
The most trenchant comment on the weaponization of Theory came from Chinese exile Hu Shih, who wrote
"There is no freedom of speech of course, but few realize there is no freedom of silence either:
Residents of a Communist state are required to make positive statements of belief and loyalty."
CRT etc. purports to be backed up by numbers, but having read some of the original literature that a DIE supporter passed along, if a physical scientist had data like that, he'd say the hypothesis failed.
Outside of the hard sciences, the attitude toward the methodologies tends to be "mine is less shitty than yours, therefore what I'm saying has been scientifically proven true."
The standard narrative has no less flimsy evidence. History is not science.
And anyway we learn the standard narrative in fucking kindergarten. It's so cringey how DeSantis's bills emphasize how much adult freaking children must learn about how great the Declaration of Independence is.
The audience for this shit are the actual dumbest people on earth. People who could never get into any college.
The standard narrative has no less flimsy evidence.
This is where you being out in OK skews your view.
In all the places in the country where people actually live, CRT is "the standard narrative."
Yeah what a redneck backwater, they don't even teach Nazi racialism! It's like stepping back in time!
So things have improved markedly since I was in school learning about Pilgrims and their Indian friends. See, society can get smarter.
Not you people, but the rest of us.
LOL, talk about facts not in evidence.
Given that pilgrims lacked the numbers and guns to do much to the Natives in the area (it took the British YEARS to do much), the hostility you seem to believe was there logically simply was not.
When you folks complain that children are learning about the unsavory nuances of American history, I think what you're really mad about is you having to learn about it.
The definition of a conservative is an adult who cannot handle learning facts about the world that he or she did not learn as a young child.
Look at all the elderly men ranting for years on end about gender being more complex than P-in-V. It's embarrassing, you just won't shut up long enough to feel shame.
You’re truly a subnormal idiot. Your ravings have no basis in reality.
Get out of my country.
Oh no! What will Oklahoma's community colleges look like without intellectual powerhouses like you in the queer studies department for 14 years getting your AA, faggot?
In a rational university, the Declaration of Independence would be taught by 1) reading the document, 2) showing the arguments for and against it, 3) showing the effect it had on the Constitution and the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution and 4) how it affects us now.
When students are harassed for questioning the "woke" argument that the D of I was written to further slavery, there is no academic freedom. The progressives in the university have shown no willingness to even entertain or even tolerate other ideas.
The progressives have had the power of the state behind them, extorting money from Floridians to further the teaching of their side only. The use of force was under the indirect control of the woke. Now, it isn't.
When money is acquired by force, there is no freedom of thought no matter whose ideas are being promulgated with stolen funds. The only question is which option is worse.
A woke faculty restrained in its efforts to oust all dissidents is far less damaging than a woke faculty completely free to unleash its venom on young minds.
If a tax funded university were taken over by Scientologists who expelled any student who questioned the E-meter, the university would be shutdown in a week. Allowing fanatics to run a university paid for with money extorted from citizens is not freedom of speech.
But you don't understand! Those professors have an inalienable constitutional right to operate little fiefdoms where they can destroy a student's academic life for failing to toe their Nazi racialist line!
- Square = Circle, Nazi racialist.
In what way do you and your politicians deem it politically correct to learn about slavery? Is it even allowed to be mentioned?
Well, first, you teach that African-American ancestors were captured as war booty by other African tribes, and sold first to Berber and Arab slavers, followed by Europeans, for gold and various goods.
How the fuck do you think Timbuktu got to be so powerful, or Zanzibar became one of the largest slave markets on the planet? Maybe if you had bothered reading books other than your dumb neomarxist philosophy rags, you might have actually learned something.
That doesn't sound like American history so much as world history, but I don't object to children learning, well, anything academically justifiable.
But perhaps there's more. The KKK Alternative History Handbook has loads more chapters than that one.
Tony, you’re the one filled with bullshit. No us. And let’s face it, you’re very stupid.
"In what way do you and your politicians deem it politically correct to learn about slavery? Is it even allowed to be mentioned?"
You could check Florida's Dept of Education site if you're so interested in if it is allowed.
Hint: It is REQUIRED to be taught.
I mean if you were in charge.
I myself am not embarrassed by American slavery. And, you might be surprised to learn, I don't hate America because it was founded on some of the most evil actions the world has ever known. But I'm not a child either, and I don't attach my self-worth to childish stories about how heroic and good a bunch of dead people within some imaginary lines on a map were.
Another issue is that we have an entire political party whose only apparent idea is that the great crisis of our time is college students learning to be too polite to black people. So I say we keep teaching about slavery and its legacy until the last Republican is strangled with the entrails of the last Proud Boy.
I say we get rid of all Marxists. Your kind have no right to exist. The left is a sociopolitical cancer.
When the US was founded, slavery was the norm throughout the world and had been for all of history. It is ignoring that context and portraying the US as a uniquely evil slave state that is the problem.
The US started with slavery as a large part of the economy. That's nothing to be proud of. But it is also a country that fought a horrible war to end it. And is arguably one of the least racist countries in the world today.
Given that university professors are 99% leftist, this probably will create more diversity in the university system. If not, it will at least stop some of the propagandistic garbage.
Still if you look at reality on the ground at universities around the country there is a very real problem where there already isn't culture that promotes diversity if ideas and viewpoints. You have extreme leftist positions promoted and moderate and conservative viewpoints being suppressed and even in some situation oppressed.
While, I'm not a huge DeSantis fan, I do have to give him some kudos in attempting to correct very obvious problems. His solutions are not always what I would have proposed, but it is a darn sight better than anything that is being offered elsewhere.
I may dislike the Republican party, but over time I have come to despise the Democrat party. To me the Republican party is uninspired and indifferent to many real problems out there.
However to me the Democrat party is much worse in that they don't want to do anything other than provide lip service. In truth the Democrat party wants to prolong the bad situations and strife so they can utilize it as a campaign issues. The Democrat party is only interested in maintaining power.
It is sad to me that even though Trump sucked as a president and in my opinion was mediocre at best, that Biden is so much worse and in getting near to being one of the worst in history. Certainly Biden is the worst in my lifetime.
Neither Biden nor Trump have any business being president. For one both of them are simply way too old. I would much prefer DeSantis over either Biden or Trump.
DeSantis may not be perfect, but he is at least within the appropriate age range and seems willing to not bend a knee to the pressures of the "Woke Movement" which is really a cultural mob full of people who are going along with the mob without understanding the ramifications or the unintended consequences.
I would like to bee a breakup of both the Democrat and Republican parties. I would like to see a plethora of new parties that focus on narrower issues. The problem with both the Democrat and Republican parties is that their platforms are schizophrenic, where ideas and arguments don't follow any modicum of logic.
There are position that I support and others I detest with both the Democrat and Republican parties. In my opinion a issue based party would be preferable than the "All Encompassing" team that our political environment has devolved into.
The article claims the law will “erase a wide range of academic freedom protections for faculty at state colleges and universities and enact strict requirements on university curricula.” It should say it will stop that faculty from forcing their personal views onto the students and punish them if they dare to disagree. CRT (which the left alternately says doesn’t exist but at the same time is vitally necessary) along with DEI are extremely biased against whites or even blacks who profess “white supremacy” values like rewarding hard work and pushing for merit based rewards. Notice the legislation does not require the teaching of opposing opinions. There should be no indoctrination on either side. CRT formalizes discrimination against whites. Imagine if there was a class that promoted toxic blackness instead of toxic whiteness?
Reason writer Emma Camp claims to support academic freedom. She does just the opposite.
The bill is a startling attack on
academic freedoma racket.Unfortunately college is already a racket, but within that racket there are more egregious rackets like the ones the legislation is directed at. The only reason this "diversity" stuff goes on is that it's a self-sustaining loop. There are people "trained" in it, so they're put to "work" in it, and it accomplishes nothing. I don't lament at all institutions losing this "freedom". It doesn't impair individual liberty one whit, since nobody wants to be subjected to this racket.
Saying this is an imposition on freedom, you might as well say the police having to explain Miranda rights limits their freedom of speech, or that you restrict the freedom of speech of a government school teacher by forbidding hir to say, "Now, class, we're going to recite a passage from the [Holy Bible | Koran | Dianetics book]. You don't have to do it, but I'd like you to respect the freedom of speech of your teacher and the rest of us to do it."
Reason supports colleges censoring diverse views. Not really surprise.
College kids are supposedly adults. They can join the army and form families. Stop trying to protect them from whatever the politician of the day thinks are bad ideas and teach them critical thinking instead.
I guess I look at it from the stance that this is just the natural order of things. The nutcase liberals push their agendas unfettered and eventually people get tired of it and push back. This is all this is. However, they are going about it all wrong. Florida should just follow the liberal playbook used in blue states, fire professors that espouse views and beliefs that are unwanted. Of course first you need to do away with tenure.
"Ron DeSantis Wants To Cultivate 'Viewpoint Diversity' by Censoring Universities"' efforts to quash dissent.
There, fixed it for you.
Banning a program, major, minor is distinct from banning viewpoints or discourse. All educational institutions make choices related to specific course/program offerings.
Has anybody noticed that everyone in this comment section bitterly hates every other commenter? That every conversation immediately devolves into childish name-calling? How do you guys get through your day to day life carrying around this much hatred and anger?
And people wonder why Libertarians get less than 2% of the popular vote.
Brilliant political move, censor the censors, put them out of business and then everyone can espouse an opinion. What Reason fails to understand is Desantis is censoring their power, not their free speech.
DeSantis is the Elizabeth Warren of the GOP. There is nothing this man thinks he has Authority over. He's dangerous. Curtail speech like....Stalin, or Mao.
Leftists Suck
Quit sockpuppeting Shrike, and explain why rather than giving us your typical bullshit invective.
“DeSantis is the Elizabeth Warren of the GOP.” “There is nothing this man thinks he has Authority over.” “He’s dangerous. Curtail speech like….Stalin, or Mao.”
One of these things is not like the others, one of these just things doesn’t belong….
As a comedian, you are failing miserably.
No idea who shrike is. Anyone who believes they know what is acceptable speech----and wishes to enforce it---is scary. Whatever side of the aisle your on.
I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to death your right to say it.
He sounds more like that fat bitch, Groomer Jeffy.
Universities have become captured by a small group of cultural marxists.. Started in the 1930's but the sons and daughters of the communists and socialists later adopting cultural Marxist views came to dominate universities. They brought old world grudges, an intense hatred of European Americans who represented the peasant classes that conflicted with their ancestry (most were Eskenazi Eastern European Jews). Political correctness then diversity not DIE And the war on "whiteness" whatever the hell that is. As a working class Italian American kid when I attended a "prestigious" eastern research university most of my profs were of this sort and always had a little remark about Italians. Or Catholics. There is deep hate in the heart of the academic left. Deep.
And how does refusing to give government funds to support cult indoctrination do that? Because that's what House Bill 999 actually does, cut government funding to publicly funded institutions; not "ban" the pseudo-religious teachings from being taught in private education.
"1004.06, F.S.;
22 providing that certain entities may not expend funds
23 for certain purposes relating to activities that
24 violate a specified law"
This is exactly what happened a decade ago when you guys freaked out about Intelligent Design being taught in public educational facilities. But now that it's your pseudo-religious tripe that's targeted, you're suddenly pretending it's about free speech instead of public funds.
Fucking hypocrites.
Mother’s Lament is solidly on the Republican side of the aisle, which is weird since he is Canadian. I’m pretty sure “shrike” is like the Canadian version of Australian’s saying “mate”.
First, you have no idea if I "freaked out" over intelligent design being taught. (I didn't. Free speech is...free speech.) Second, stopping government funds is great, but cult indoctrination? By whose standards? Republican DeSantis or Democrat Warren? There should be zero government funds involved. BTW, I'm a conservative, and I belive in open, free, unfettered speech. I'm not for any person dictating what anyone can/cannot say.
So why would you be upset if Florida is defunding pseudo-religious ideologies, which is exactly what this bill does?
Yet you are crying over government funded speech relegating post modernist marxist doctrine to flood all areas of universities. Stop lying shrike.
Fuck off White Mike, you semi-retarded, anti-libertarian shill.
You know perfectly well who Shrike is. He's a fifty-center with a small army of sockpuppets, who pushes blue-check orthodoxy here just like you. The number of times you two clowns have given each other rhetorical handies here is incalculable.
Except you take it even a step further than Shrike, and where he's just content to troll, you have anointed yourself thread policeman and chief sealion too.
Cite, bitch?
Apologize, you sniveling little bitch. You are something that an anthropomorphic turd would scrape off it’s shoe.
ML is welcome here, and adds to the discussion. You don’t, and no one wants you around.
Does it defunded all academic theories? No. Just what DeSantis wants defunded. Who knows what the next governor will favor? And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how government grows, restrictions increase, regulations are made. All in the name of "protection from someone else speech." BTW, hate speech laws are unconstitutional.
I've got Mike gray boxed because I know his posts are not semi-retarded, anti-libertarian shills. They are FULLY retarded and outright fascist. I know you are a forgiving person ML but Please! Sometimes you just have to speak the facts.
You seem really defensive over government funds being utilized for marxism. Why? You claim you are for free speech. This is government funded speech. And you defend it.
“…And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how government grows, restrictions increase, regulations are made.”
And some folks don’t mind that, as long as it grows into something for which they have an affinity.
Does it defunded all academic theories? No. Just what DeSantis wants defunded.
Sometimes Democracy makes decisions with taxpayer dollars you don't like.
Oddly enough "bob" is defending public funding if exactly the cultural revolution and forced University adoption of political thought that Mao and Stalin pushed.
There is nothing this man thinks he has Authority over.
A true Libertarian then. Elect me and I will do nothing.
How dare someone prohibit teaching the completely fictional, race hate mongering ideology that will censor all dissent when it gets into power!
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Alright. I'm going to take some of my precious time and step in here, and pimp slap all ya'll straight, because everyone here is twisted the F up.
We got people complaining about this bill and how it suppresses free speech, and the purpose of the bill is to thwart the indoctrination of youth into the latest fads of leftism. Suddenly that's a violation of free speech. However, the latest fads of leftism, is LITERALLY to censor, silence, and indoctrinate youth into the religious dogma of the left, who literally supports concepts like "words are violence" - "silence is violence" and "hate speech needs to be banned." Now you tell me which is worse? The government doing it, by force, or a faction of the population doing it, by force. I know... that you may have to step out of your very... very small "libertarian" box to examine this problem. What part of free speech do you want "conserved?" Because the left conserves nothing, and appears on a accelerating flux of change right down the toilet, into shitsville.
https://twitter.com/SovMichael/status/1629443073808662529?t=gqbZnirl25SBkQcOBPvbZQ&s=19
Never confuse “talking about CRT” with “doing what is necessary to remove the Marxists from your institution.”
Addressing and describing the issues with CRT *is not* the same as removing the men who attempted to run a Marxist Color Revolution in the SBC over the past 12 years.
Removing the stain of Marxism from the SBC will take actual courage: the courage that leads to conflict and division. If you refuse to take the necessary steps to remove those within your midst that are responsible for infusing Marxism into your institution, please save your passionate claims about your dedication to the purity of your institution.
If you make the decision to play politics with the Marxists in order to elevate yourself, you have betrayed the Saviour who bought you as well as the congregations who follow you as a bold “leader”(who had to be convinced to take the stands that led to your current fame as being “courageous”).
Men in the SBC need to stop playing games with corrupt men with nefarious schemes.
Call them out.
Stand for what is right.
Or shut up, resign and admit that you are more concerned about the opinions of men in your tribe and your own legacy than you are about doing what is necessary to save the SBC
It's 'Ashkenazi' not 'Eskenazi'. If you have to spew your hatred of Jews around at least spell the words correctly.