Judge Rules DeSantis Violated First Amendment by Ousting Reform Prosecutor but Declines To Reinstate Him
"In short, the controlling motivations for the suspension were the interest in bringing down a reform prosecutor," the judge wrote.

Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis violated the First Amendment and the Florida Constitution when he suspended a progressive Tampa-area state attorney, a federal judge ruled today, but the judge found he did not have the authority to reinstate the prosecutor.
U.S. District Judge for the Northern District of Florida Robert Hinkle pilloried the DeSantis administration's flimsy justifications and partisan motivations for suspending Hillsborough County State Attorney Andrew Warren, one of the most prominent progressive prosecutors in the state.
"In short, the controlling motivations for the suspension were the interest in bringing down a reform prosecutor—a prosecutor whose performance did not match the Governor's law-and-order agenda—and the political benefit that would result," Hinkle wrote in his order. "The actual facts—whether Mr. Warren actually had any blanket nonprosecution policies—did not matter. All that was needed was a pretext to justify the suspension under the Florida Constitution."
However, although Hinkle found that the DeSantis administration's reasons for removing Warren were specious and included protected First Amendment speech—such as being affiliated with the Democratic Party progressive megadonor George Soros—DeSantis would have removed Warren anyway for unprotected conduct. Hinkle also ruled that as a federal judge, he had no authority under the 11th Amendment to grant Warren relief in a dispute against the state over a violation of state law. Hinkle dismissed the lawsuit.
Warren was elected twice by voters as Hillsborough County state attorney for the 13th Judicial District, where he carved out a reputation as a reform-minded prosecutor. He started a conviction integrity unit to root out and overturn sloppy convictions. He also announced his office would no longer pursue "resisting without violence" charges, an offense that had become derisively known as "biking while black" because it was overwhelmingly applied against black bicyclists. The move came after the Justice Department released a 2016 report that found that 73 percent of bicyclists stopped by Tampa police were black.
DeSantis announced in a press conference last August, flanked by local law enforcement, that he was suspending Warren for neglect of duty after the state attorney signed letters saying he would not enforce state laws restricting abortion or transition-related medical care to transgender minors. The suspension order also cited the biking policy and other policies to avoid prosecutions for certain low-level offenses.
"Our government is a government of laws not a government of men and what that means is that we govern ourselves based on a constitutional system and based on the rule of law," DeSantis said at the press conference. "But yet we've seen across this county over the last few years individual prosecutors take it upon themselves to determine which laws they like and will enforce and which laws they don't like and then don't enforce."
Warren filed a federal lawsuit arguing that the suspension violated his First and 14th Amendment rights.
During the September trial in Warren's lawsuit, it became clear that the DeSantis administration's investigation mostly consisted of asking Florida sheriffs and police chiefs which state attorney they disliked the most. The so-called nonprosecution policies that DeSantis cited, Hinkle found, were rather routine exercises of prosecutorial discretion.
"The record includes not a hint of misconduct by Mr. Warren. So far as this record reflects, he was diligently and competently performing the job he was elected to perform, very much in the way he told voters he would perform it," Hinkle wrote. "He had no blanket nonprosecution policies. Any minimally competent inquiry would have confirmed this. The assertion that Mr. Warren neglected his duty or was incompetent is incorrect. This factual issue is not close."
DeSantis replaced Warren with a Republican, Susan Lopez, who quickly announced she was resuming prosecutions of bike-stop cases.
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they keep trying so hard to find ANYTHING to spin DeSantis badly. It's hilarious at this point. Can you imagine CNN soberly and vehemently hammering this one during the campaign. "he fired a prosecutor!"
omg that'll turn the tide for sure.
He violated the Constitution *again*, and lost in court *again* (but with no remedy ordered)... And you are trying to spin it as ‘he is being picked on’.
DeSantis may be a better option than Trump, but he’s still craptastically awful on constitutional-rights matters.
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The guy is a socialist right-wing culture warrior. He's the opposite of a libertarian.
Ok. Now do Biden.
The prosecutor said he will not actually abide by the law. Termination was 100% called for.
“and lost in court *again* (but with no remedy ordered)”
Without remedy how does this decision count as a loss ?
Federal court in the US are not advisory boards: if they can’t order a remedy theirs opinions on the merits of a case are just obiter dicta.
Could Desantis even appeal such a “loss” ?
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Can you imagine Fox not giving Desantis a handy for supporting their Christian Nationalist agenda rather than the Constitution? The judge made the right call here, at least partially. Dude should have been reinstated though because he was elected by the locals not Dewacko.
That ass is banning classes and now interfering in even more local politics and policies. He's a walking talking piece of shit. Not as bad as trump but 42.0% as bad.
CNN: Communist News Network.
Any wonder why they're at the very bottom?
I enjoy it when The Atlantic runs these stories.
Consider this Ciaramella's resume padding for the same.
"Ciaramella is a reporter at Reason.
He was previously a politics editor at BuzzFeed..."
He can only go up from here.
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So, the judge found that the stated reasons were bullshit, but that, in fact, there was plenty of other material that would have justified the action.
OK.
Most honest proggies judge "the facts don't matter"
Alternative headline: Judge Dismisses Progressive Prosecutors Lawsuit Against DeSantis.
Who am I supposed to hate from a leftitarian view with your headline?
Yeah, Jerryskids headline doesn't tell us what to think or who the real villain is.
D+, Jerryskids. Needs more effort.
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If you're going to put some spin in the headline, how about this:
"Clinton judge throws out lawsuit by progressive prosecutor against Governor DeSantis, but inserts gratuitous anti-DeSantis language into the opinion"
I'm getting quite tired of Judges inserting their politics and moralizing into their opinions instead of focusing on the law. Judges that do that are showing a clear bias and should be removed from the Bench. I don't want to know the Judges personnel and political beliefs and should never know
Maybe a couple dozen protestors could show up at their residence in the evening for a couple hours to show their displeasure. Maybe even make a few veiled threats.
It seems to be ok in Georgetown.
I’m still trying find the First Amendment violation.
There was no religion established, no free speech was prohibited, no one fucked with the press, no restriction of peaceful assembly occurred, and the little prog exercised his right to petition for redress of grievances.
The answers are: #feelingz and Florida Man Bad
It's a free speech claim.
Government cannot fire you for expressing your political views.
No it's not, David A FRENCH.
A government agent does not have free speech rights, especially when that speech implicates his actual job.
He has free speech as an individual but not as an official. It'd be different if he said what he said as an individual to his pals at a party.
You're making the same argument Sqrlsy was trying to make here the other day when he said FBI censorship directives were the agents free speech rights.
Hahahahahaha. No.
He can say what he wants. What he got canned for was announcing his intention to be derelict in his duty to prosecute criminals.
-jcr
Imagine a soldier saying that if his lieutenant orders him to do sentry duty at midnight, he would refuse because he needs his beauty sleep. Could he be court martialed for dereliction of duty? No, because he wasn't actually given that order. There might be some other regulation he would be guilty of, perhaps insubordination if he said that where his lieutenant could hear it.
The Florida governor only has the authority to remove local elected officials for actually failing to do their jobs, not saying that they won't. Besides, did you read the article about how DeSantis appointed a Republican replacement that announced how she would resume prosecuting "biking while black" cases that Warren had stopped?
During the September trial in Warren's lawsuit, it became clear that the DeSantis administration's investigation mostly consisted of asking Florida sheriffs and police chiefs which state attorney they disliked the most. The so-called nonprosecution policies that DeSantis cited, Hinkle found, were rather routine exercises of prosecutorial discretion.
DeSantis just likes to impose his will on the state, regardless of what or who people vote for in their local elections.
This a pretty good analogy. Imagine the soldier said he wasn’t going to obey orders, so he was dismissed and replaced with another. You wouldn’t say his rights were violated, you’d say he was disciplined for talking back to his superior officer.
Very similar to this case. The governor had discretion, and he exercised it. There's no requirement that he exercise his authority in a way you particularly like. Discretionary means he decides, not you.
The governor had discretion, and he exercised it.
If it is his discretion to decide whether a local elected official is incompetent or is derelict in their duty, with the only appeal being to the state Senate, then that may be correct as a matter of law. You are right that I don't like it, and as a normative matter, though, I think this is clearly an abuse of his discretion. Republican voters may like the way he is using his discretion here, and the Republicans in the state Senate may be fine with it as well, but I stand by my opinion and will continue to argue that his action was purely political theater and an abuse of what authority he has over local elected officials.
Your take on the subject is the correct one. There are lots of two faced people out there that will scream about fairness and constitutional rights, but when one of their team fucks it up all you hear is crickets. Clearly the judge thinks we are both correct. Most of the commenters on here are MAGAs though, and not classical liberals.
What ‘views’? He got fired for not doing his goddamned job.
Exactly! He was another of Soros' little whores.
But you can be fired for implementing those views if they violate your oath of office. Saying that a category of crimes shouldn't be punished is one thing, refusing to enforce a law is something entirely different. The explicit reason for firing Warren was his refusal to enforce laws against the mutilation of children.
You can’t find any because there were none.
This was an ass-pull by the “judge.”
Warren made statements and suffered political and employment consequences for them.
But he's a leftist just like Ciaramella, and they are supposed to live consequence free per Reason's notions of libertarianism.
He started a conviction integrity unit to root out and overturn sloppy convictions. He also announced his office would no longer pursue "resisting without violence" charges, an offense that had become derisively known as "biking while black" because it was overwhelmingly applied against black bicyclists.
I can see why law enforcement would hate this guy.
Fired for being reasonable and against police overreach ? Yeah, that will get you , alright.
Except that wasn't what got him fired.
He was canned for declaring (in writing) in his position as state attorney that he would not enforce the state's abortion regulations or bans on castrating minors.
And rightly so. Ciaramella's being a fomenter here and dancing around the actual reason with weaselly language and redirection.
Did you really expect any less from him?
He was canned for declaring (in writing) in his position as state attorney that he would not enforce the state’s abortion regulations or bans on castrating minors.
Did you read Ciarmella's article? The federal judge found, after a trial of fact finding, that all of that was pretextual. (Not to mention the misrepresentation of what Warren said. Did he say that he wouldn't enforce any abortion regulations? Or just the new ones passed after Dobbs? Bans on castrating minors? Wtf are you talking about?)
Also, will DeSantis be as diligent in checking out state attorneys that prosecute cases that they shouldn't? Like the "biking while black" ones Warren put a hold on? I guess not, since the author says that DeSantis put in a replacement that said that she'd resume prosecuting those cases.
"Bans on castrating minors? Wtf are you talking about?"
I'm assuming this refers to transitioning kids via surgery and hormone treatments, which would render them sterile.
I’m assuming this refers to transitioning kids via surgery and hormone treatments, which would render them sterile.
What is the evidence that this actually happens to minors? I hear it all the time, but no one ever points to verifiable cases. I just keep getting told "yes, it does" when I ask whether it is really happening.
Puberty blockers and other hormone drugs can cause this I believe.
...I believe.
Okay, but what do you know about these drugs and how they are used in the cases of transgender minors?
This is what I am talking about. I keep hearing what people believe about this topic. And if they do cite any sources, they will be articles that are mostly opinion or a TV talking head's program that shouldn't be trusted to be objective. If I ask for references to medical organizations, peer reviewed research, or some other such professional source, I often get told that those sources can't be trusted because they are part of the problem and are advancing the nefarious agenda of the "groomers".
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If one of my employees says they won't do their job or what is required of them, they will get fired. It isnt a free speech issue.
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Elected state attorneys aren't employees of the governor. The Florida constitution gives the governor power to suspend local elected officials for incompetence or for actual dereliction of duty, not for saying that they won't do something that the governor thinks would be dereliction of duty. If DeSantis had suspended him after he didn't prosecute a specific case where there was sufficient evidence to warrant prosecution, then he'd have the justification he was claiming.
Elected state attorneys are 'employees' of the voters that elected them. Given that they elected the guy twice, they seemed pretty happy with his job performance.
The fact that the elected (Dem) state's attorney was replaced by a Republican says a lot about Desantis' respect for the voters of Tampa.
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The Florida state legislature once threatened to dis-incorporate a small town because of the corruption and out of control speed traps.
I looked this up once and will rely on my memory – I understand that the prosecutor has an appeal…to the state Senate.
In fact, this Senate hearing is sort of a cousin to an impeachment proceeding.
So wouldn’t the Florida Senate be the proper forum for hearing this case?
That's what the federal judge ruled, yes. He said that although he concluded that his 1st Amendment rights were violated, the 11th Amendment prevents him from doing anything about it, and Warren would have to rely on state law only.
Of course, the Florida state legislature is DeSantis' lapdog, so it is highly unlikely that they would buck him on this.
From your analysis, I take it that the Florida Senate believes its laws are perfectly constitutional and that prosecutors should enforce those laws or lose their jobs.
That should be no more surprising than a court wanting its orders to be obeyed.
Though apparently, the legislators would be lapdogs of the governor if they upheld their own legislation.
From your analysis, I take it that the Florida Senate believes its laws are perfectly constitutional and that prosecutors should enforce those laws or lose their jobs.
That's not an accurate summary of what I believe. The Florida legislature has passed laws that DeSantis wanted that courts have been striking down, including ones where legislative legal staff was telling the legislators that they wouldn't hold up to court challenges. So, I don't think that the Florida Senate believes that all of these laws are "perfectly constitutional". Abortion restrictions passed since Dobbs would probably be the only ones where they could legitimately think that.
But to say it yet again, Warren didn't actually fail to prosecute any violations of those laws. He just said that he wouldn't prosecute cases where he disagreed with the Supreme Court and Florida law being constitutional. I don't see a difference between that and sheriffs in many parts of the country saying that they wouldn't enforce gun restrictions that they thought were unconstitutional. I'd have to look, but there may have even been sheriffs in Florida that have said that. If so, did DeSantis do anything about them?
People keep saying that this guy wasn't "doing his job", but this is really just a political dispute that is better settled at the ballot box. And this guy was elected twice by Hillsborough County voters.
“Abortion restrictions passed since Dobbs would probably be the only ones where they could legitimately think that.”
Isn’t that enough? Even if there’s a sacred constitutional right to mutilate people in a mad-scientist frenzy to unsex them, there’s still the abortion laws.
“But to say it yet again, Warren didn’t actually fail to prosecute any violations of those laws. He just said that he wouldn’t prosecute cases where he disagreed with the Supreme Court and Florida law being constitutional.”
Making this a perfect opportunity to remove him before he carries out his threat.
And the difference between FL prosecutors and NY sheriffs depends on whether the constitutions of the the two states have any relevant differences. From the protests about the NY sheriffs, and the failure to try and remove them, it suggests that there isn't an obvious Florida-style remedy. If I'm wrong, and the NY Senate had FL-style powers, they can fire the sheriffs.
"this is really just a political dispute that is better settled at the ballot box"
Putting the lives of the unborn up for debate and vote lilke gladiators in the Roman arena is barbaric.
Well it sounds like this guy actually had some good policies. On the other hand when federal judges write screeds like
"In short, the controlling motivations for the suspension were the interest in bringing down a reform prosecutor—a prosecutor whose performance did not match the Governor's law-and-order agenda—and the political benefit that would result, The actual facts—whether Mr. Warren actually had any blanket nonprosecution policies—did not matter. All that was needed was a pretext to justify the suspension under the Florida Constitution."
Instead of just, ya know, explaining the law I find it hard to take them seriously. District court judges really are loathsome creatures.
This is just gratuitous politicking from the bench. Obviously, there was no First Amendment violation, as DeSantis would be guilty of a federal crime. A state can give governors political power like DeSantis', and there's no First Amendment right to question the decision.
Disagree. The Judge - apparently correctly - found that the motive was wrong but that it did not violate the plaintiff's Constitutional rights and that the lawsuit was not the correct way to address the issue. One might have thought that a prosecutor would have known what the correct legal procedure would have been in a case like this. Apparently if the Governor fires an appointed official that he had the authority to fire, filing a Federal lawsuit alleging a violation of your Constitutional rights is not the correct way.
We generally don't look to motives in these types of decisions . . . .
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Animus was the primary vector leftists used to overturn executive orders. Leftist judges look at motives all the time.
So the motive then doesn't actually matter, and no constitutional issues were at stake? So then the lawsuit was properly dismissed as not a 1st amendment issue.
Violations of the Constitution do not automatically equate to crimes.
DeSantis & the FL government have lost a few 1A cases recently (such as their attempt to regulate social media, and to restrict employers’ choices in diversity training), yet no criminal cases have resulted.
More often, the relief granted is that the court requires the offending government to cease enforcing a given law/policy.
Which should happen much more often with democrat overreach.
And how many times has that progressive Tampa-area state attorney violated the Florida Constitution???? My guess would be countless times.
73% of bicycle riders stopped were Black. Blacks murder at 10 times the rate of whites. Blacks are violent, thieves, rapist, steal anything. And you wonder why they are looked at more often? You that stupid? Or do you like playing the race card too?
WTF does the color of one skin have to do with progressives violating the Florida Constitution?? Take your racist BS and stuff it.
You just played "the race card" with your silly post or didn't you notice?
Just ask the Fox News employee who was sent to the hospital because he was on a subway at the wrong time.
Or the young woman who was raped and dumped by the side of the road to be struck and killed by a car.
Or maybe a look at the crime stats of Chicago.
So, just like most of the "controlling motivations" of Democrats for their illegal activities during the Trump years, then?
""In short, the controlling motivations for the suspension were the interest in bringing down a reform prosecutor," the judge wrote."
When people start raving about "reform", I always remind them that it's connotation is just "change". Denotations are opinions, one person's "reform" prosecutor is another person's "deform" prosecutor.
At this point it feels more sane to say there's a grand conspiracy of actors pretending to be leftists to make DeSantis look good than to say these people are actually insane.
Refuse to enforce all laws? Get fired.
"All" laws? So all the right-wing sheriffs refusing to enforce gun control measures? They should all "get fired", right?
They officers are sworn to uphold the constitution. Not enforcing illegal laws is fine.
But those are really the only laws Shrike likes.
Anastasia’s position is that only that Austrian painter was responsible for the Holocaust where the rest of his subordinates were just following orders.
They officers are sworn to uphold the constitution. Not enforcing illegal laws is fine.
Why do sheriffs get to decide which laws are unconstitutional? (illegal laws is an oxymoron) Why can't this state attorney do the same?
As a member of the armed services, we are never required to execute an unlawful order. Sheriffs are not going to enforce laws that are unconstitutional.
When the wicked witch of Lansing, Mi declared lockdowns a number of county sheriffs declared they would NOT follow her orders and allowed their counties to remain free.
Antrim County sheriff was one of those. I plan to vote for his re-election.
Democrats should have codified Roe and done a straight decriminalization of pot when they had the chance. Then all these state laws would be moot.
Unfortunately, they were more concerned with passing a shitty healthcare law and burning the entire country down the last two times they had an actual majority.
Oh, and maybe read the fucking constitution and the oaths of office.
If the executive whom they answer to believes they should. Sheriffs are county level, however, and this guy was state level, so he ultimately did answer to DeSantis. If a Country Board disagrees with Sheriffs who refuse to enforce laws, they can remove the Sheriff, but the governor can't. It's not that complicated. Generally, however, those Sheriffs are expressing the general will of their county.
Sheriffs are county level, however, and this guy was state level, so he ultimately did answer to DeSantis.
No. They are called state attorneys, but they are elected at the county level, just like sheriffs. The power given to the governor under the Florida constitution would apply to both equally. He has, in fact, suspended a county sheriff under the same authority.
Depends on the differences between the FL and NY constitutions.
From the squawking, it sounds like NY doesn't have a FL-style remedy for the sheriff "problem."
A Soro's backed State Attorney publicly stated he would not uphold the laws of the State of Florida, which was his job, so the Governor removed him. Pretty much that is it. Too bad more Governors didn't have the stones DeSantos has in this regard.
Nailed it.
That reactionary! Obviously the judge (and, apparently, Reason Magazine) prefer the prosecutor's "let 'em loose" agenda.
OK, so this Clinton-appointed judge is your typical "progressive" ghoul, who doesn't give a shit about innocent crime-victims. But what about Reason? How the fuck is it "libertarian" to support this ... I was going to say idiocy, but it's worse than that -- it's downright evil! "Freedom to commit crimes" is not something normal libertarians support!
A majority of the republican party is now leading towards Christian Nationalism rather than classical liberalism. They see the general population is getting more liberal and more brown and they do not like it. Thus they try to do away with basic rights like 1st amendment and 4th amendment rights. The only one that seems to matter to them is the 2nd amendment. It's the MAGA way.
When you make a written promise not to do your job, you should be removed.
DeSantis: pro pretextual arrests of them darkies
Hinkle: against
Not surprising that the righties here defend DeSantis.
Wake me when you get to the part where you fuck kids Shrike. And for the record, nothing is more racist than a democrat.
Next to Trump Decraptus is the biggest danger to the 1st amendment that the US has seen in a while. Telling people (parents) what they can and can't have their kids studying in school from an accredited, nationally recognized organization lol.
Yes from your comments you sounds truly like a classic liberal and neutral in your judgments.
Schools only charge is to educate young people so they can be productive citizens. That means math, science, literacy, proper English and real history. Not that Johnny can become Joan or that Susie can become Alex.
Public schools are NOT for brainwashing and indoctrinating children into gender ideology. They have no business what so ever attempting to transform children into some bullshit transgender rubbish.
DeSantis should just give this prosecutor a one-way ticket to Martha's Vineyard and be done with it.
The judge dismissed the case but took the opportunity to share his far left point of view. Reading the details of what DeSantis did sounded like he had a completely legitimate reason to dismiss the prosecutor who is refusing to enforce Florida law. That prosecutor certainly has the free-speech right to oppose Florida abortion laws but not as part of his role as a state prosecutor. That's ludicrous. And the histrionic fit by the judge should get him sanctioned.
'....In his first week as D.A., Krasner (PA) fired 31 staffers and replaced them with a new team that he described as "ideologically attached to the mission." and Reason has all but nominated Krasner to be added to Mount Olympus or Mount Rushmore.....' The Judge who said DeSantis did absolutely nothing illegal should have simply said that by dismissing the case for being the joke that it is and chastised those who filed it.
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DeSantis winning seems to piss off a lot of people. Makes me happy I voted for him again. I'll not be crying about the loss of face of some left wing "prosecutor" getting tossed out of Hillsborough County. That guy is free to take up a private practice and help those he claims are besieged by the depredations of our local law enforcement. By and large, I have found Hillsborough County police do a difficult job damn well. They're generally tolerant of random foolishness, but they get the job done when someone is causing real trouble. That's about the best you can hope for. The police get asked to do a lot of shitty jobs, I feel like they should get support from the prosecutors. They aren't sending random people who lit firecrackers in the park to the prosecutors. Actual criminals deserve a nut punch. We ask the cops to catch and drag their sorry asses in, then they get turned loose by some attention seeking prosecutor. No wonder the cops don't like the asshole.
If we had more governors like DeSantis, more Soros owned whores (prosecutors), would be tossed out on their arse.It’s because of Soros that crime is so rampant. Consider what happened to the wild Hyenas who attacked and beat a Fox News employee in a New York subway, the other day. They walked free within two hours. These Soros owned D.A.s are allowing the cities to become a fetid crime filled trash heaps.
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