Adam Schiff Attempts Censorship by Proxy, 'Demanding Action' To Suppress 'Hate Speech' on Twitter
Instead of debating whether the platform has been flooded by bigotry, Elon Musk should tell the congressman to mind his own business.

Rep. Adam Schiff (D–Calif.) yesterday said he is "demanding action" in response to an "unacceptable" rise in bigoted slurs on Twitter since Elon Musk took over the platform in late October. Musk responded by taking issue with the evidence that Schiff cited, saying "hate speech impressions are actually down by 1/3 for Twitter now vs prior to acquisition." What he should have said is that government officials in a free society have no business demanding the suppression of speech they do not like.
"We are deeply concerned about the recent rise in hate speech on Twitter," Schiff and Rep. Mark Takano (D–Calif.) write in a letter to Musk. "Analysis by independent researchers indicates Twitter has become an increasingly toxic place for our constituents, and we are reaching out to you to understand the actions Twitter is taking to combat this increase in harmful content."
Schiff and Takano ostensibly are just asking questions and urging Musk to step up enforcement of Twitter's ban on "hateful conduct." But they are doing that in their official capacity as members of Congress, a job that gives them no authority to police speech or insist that anyone else do so. To the contrary, the First Amendment explicitly bars Congress from "abridging the freedom of speech." By publicly pressuring Musk to censor "hate speech," which is indisputably covered by the First Amendment, Schiff and Takano are trying to indirectly accomplish something that the Constitution forbids.
Because government officials have the power to make life difficult for social media companies through regulation, litigation, and legislation, their demands for "action" always carry an implicit threat. Schiff and Takano's letter is an example of the "jawboning against speech" that Cato Institute policy analyst Will Duffield describes in a recent report. "Government officials can use informal pressure—bullying, threatening, and cajoling—to sway the decisions of private platforms and limit the publication of disfavored speech," Duffield notes. "The use of this informal pressure, known as jawboning, is growing. Left unchecked, it threatens to become normalized as an extraconstitutional method of speech regulation."
Schiff is working hard to advance that process. "What steps is your company taking in response to the recent rise in hate speech on your platform and how do you plan to make these decisions available to the public?" he and Takano ask. "Additionally, what is your timeline for rolling out any of these changes?" They also want information about "Twitter's plan to increase safety for its users, and more specifically the LGBTQ+ community and the Jewish community"; "the current process for enforcing content moderation on your platform"; Twitter's "current capability and capacity to handle the risks arising from the extreme rise in hate speech"; and its "current risk-assessment process and response timeline for viral hate speech and disinformation."
Musk could reasonably respond that none of this is any of Schiff and Takano's business, a stance that would strike a blow against this "extraconstitutional method of speech regulation." That position would be consistent with Musk's decision to rescind Twitter's ban on "COVID-19 misinformation," a nebulous policy that invited censorship by proxy. Instead, Musk is getting bogged down in a debate that pits the evidence Schiff favors, which comes mainly from tallies of slur-containing tweets and retweets by the Center for Countering Digital Hate, against internal Twitter data on "hate speech impressions."
Musk himself seems confused about the issues at stake here. He tends to conflate "freedom of speech" with freedom from private content restrictions, which puts him in a bind as a self-declared "free speech absolutist" who is not willing to let people say whatever they want on Twitter, lest the platform become a "free-for-all hellscape." Here he is trying to reconcile that perceived contradiction: "New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted & demonetized, so no ads or other revenue to Twitter. You won't find the tweet unless you specifically seek it out, which is no different from rest of Internet."
While Musk is inclined toward lighter content moderation in some areas, he is still avowedly determined to enforce the "hateful conduct" ban. "Twitter's strong commitment to content moderation remains absolutely unchanged," he tweeted last month. "In fact, we have actually seen hateful speech at times this week decline *below* our prior norms, contrary to what you may read in the press."
The suspension of Ye, the music and fashion tycoon formerly known as Kanye West, for a series of antisemitic tweets is the most conspicuous example of Musk's "strong commitment" to eliminating "hateful speech." But Musk's explanation of that decision suggests he does not really understand how free speech works.
"At a certain point, you have to say what is incitement to violence," Musk said during a Twitter Spaces conversation on Saturday, "because that is against the law in the U.S. You can't just have a 'let's go murder someone' club. That's not actually legal."
That gloss implies that Twitter's content moderation is limited to speech that fits judicially recognized exceptions to the First Amendment, which is plainly not true. Ye's anti-Jewish remarks and imagery did not qualify as illegal "incitement" by any stretch of the imagination. Under the test that the Supreme Court established in the 1969 case Brandenburg v. Ohio, even advocating criminal conduct (which Ye did not do) is constitutionally protected unless it is both "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to do so.
Twitter's "hateful conduct" policy sweeps much more broadly. "You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease," it says. "We also do not allow accounts whose primary purpose is inciting harm towards others on the basis of these categories." Also forbidden: "hateful imagery and display names."
Ye's tweets, which included a Star of David with a swastika at its center and his announcement that it was time to go "death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE," pretty clearly ran afoul of that policy. But they did not even come close to meeting the Brandenburg test.
Musk's confusion only encourages critics like Schiff and Takano, who portray bigoted speech as a "human safety" issue and warn that "harmful rhetoric" fosters violence. "After the Colorado Springs Shooting, in which the LGBTQ+ community was specifically targeted, we saw anti-LGBTQ+ hate become viral on Twitter," they say. "We are concerned about the individual and community harm arising from Twitter, including how that could spill from online into real life." This is the same connection that Musk draws when he describes Ye's antisemitic remarks as "incitement to violence."
Since Twitter, as a private business, is not bound by the First Amendment, Musk is free to make any decisions he wants about content moderation. We, in turn, are free to criticize those decisions, free to debate the significance of the data cited by the Center for Countering Digital Hate, free even to wonder whether it is wise or practical to enforce a policy like Twitter's. We are also free to eschew Twitter because we don't like its moderation practices, whether because they are too strict, because they are not strict enough, or because they are too arbitrary and haphazard.
Schiff, by contrast, is bound by the First Amendment when he flexes the powers of his office, which he is clearly trying to do when he writes this sort of letter on official stationery in his official capacity. Likewise when legislators castigate the executives of social media companies at congressional hearings for failing to crack down hard enough on "hate speech" or when executive-branch officials publicly and privately pressure those companies to censor "misinformation" they view as a threat to public health.
Glenn Greenwald laments that "dictating to social media companies what they can and can't platform, how they must censor, the role Democratic politicians play in all this, is just assumed as normal." Musk is well-positioned to challenge that assumption, and he could start by telling Schiff and Takano to mind their own business.
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Adam Schiff Attempts Censorship by Proxy, 'Demanding Action' To Suppress 'Hate Speech' on Twitte[r]
Not quite. Adam Schiff was already succeeding in Twitter censorship-by-proxy, but is either no longer successful, or fears no longer being successful now that Elon Musk is at the helm.
It's a subtle, but important distinction.
Also known as a 'nothingburger'.
It may be a distinction without a real difference, since past vs ongoing willful violation of 1A would both be in direct conflict with the oath of office sworn by Congress members as well as Exec Branch employees to "support and defend the Constitution of the U.S." and to "bear truth and allegiance to the same".
By participating in an active violation of the 1st Amendment as they have, those two Congressmen have arguably become the kind of "domestic enemies" that they've sworn to defend that principal from, and are in ongoing violation of that oath every day they remain in office.
One bit of context that may be pertinent to this is the reference in their declaration to their "constituents". It may be pertinent that those two CA Dems serve authoritarian statist left-"progressive" constituencies who see any idea that conflicts in any way with their own personal world-view (especially the fact that their views are no longer in anything like alignment with actual liberal principles) to constitute "hate speech", with some small exceptions for the things they deem to be "Russian misinformation" or "Covid denial" (the last of which still includes citations of published science regarding the lack of effectivity of masks and the idea that Pfizer actually made any money from the Covid Vaccine)
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And everyone should note:
"Hate speech" and "misinformation" were exactly what everyone always knew they were: attempts from the left to control language and control information.
How much "hate speech" such as, I dont know, all the crazy woke professors who were saying things like 'whites need to be taken out', all of the DAILY examples of people making blatantly racist, demeaning statements against whites...how much of that has been taken down?
How much of the COVID *actual* misinformation put out by the lefties that simp for Fauci and Pfizer, with non-evidence-based authoritarian decrees...how much of that got labeled? Forcibly censored? Called out by the MSM?
This is just authoritarians controlling people and shaping society the way they want it, under the guise of "WE CARE!!!!". Its transparent. Lets stop pretending it has ever been anything but that.
Yea, but it's absolutely terrifying if you think about the reality of it.
Best to just pretend it's no biggie.
What Adam Schiff should be doing is admitting he colluded with Hillary Clinton to lie about Trump colluding with Russia. He should then be censored and resign from congress, as all those that colluded with the lie.
He is one of the biggest election deniers on history.
Indeed. Schiff remain a political putz. And his credibility is about as popular as an STD. He continues to flail as as a “hit man” following the failed Dem political narrative.
Schiff has no intention of ever resigning from Congress as long as he can continue to be as partisan as possible and further more, there's not much any of us can do about him as he has obviously, so much support from his district.
Of course, no one in their right mind would ever believe anything Schiff utters except for the fact that the MSM never hesitates to act as a loudspeaker for Schiff as well as the rest of the democrats.
Schiff deserves the death penalty.
Yes. Yes he does. As do many democrat congresscreatures.
Rep. Adam Shit (D-Cali.) is trying to coerce Elon into joining MSM as the propaganda machine of govt., e.g., "demanding action" is a threat of regulation/laws/license denial, i.e., denial of 1st A. rights.
Govt. has become a Police State/Empire while the majority allowed it with "willful blindness".
Is this the end of Empire, the beginning of a revolution to restore "The American Dream"? Or, continued slow collapse of society?
Honestly, who Schiffs a Git what a low life lying peon like Adam Schiff thinks?
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Am I allowed to say schitf is evil, or is that banned?
Not sure why Schiff cares about Twitter. ENB told me that place is imploding and these days it's all about Mastodon.
Good story. But more wishful thinking than reality. If Eugene Volokh, who wrote his first commercially successful software programs while still in college, before becoming a well known law professor, had problems with Mastadon, think about the poor Journalism majors we are talking about trying to figure it out. It probably has the advantage for something like JournaList, where leftist journalists can coordinate their messages, by keeping out the riff-raff. But it won’t get them widely seen and heard.
https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1600539583757766659?t=sdsmVkWzvMWsRA8JQMayHw&s=19
Remember when Time magazine printed an article that claimed there was a conspiracy to rig the 2020 election against Trump and everyone just ignored it? That’s pretty crazy, right?
They literally told us that Trump was right that there was a plot against him by an alliance of “left-wing activists and business titans”. How absurd!
They literally said “this is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election”. Isn’t that weird? Normally a conspiracy to rig an election is a way of destroying democracy, right?
They even knew it would sound like a wacky Alex Jones-style “paranoid fever dream”, but insist it really did happen and they want you to know about it. Instead we all just ignored it for some reason, even though they name the organisers of the conspiracy and everything.
They literally told us who conducted the conspiracy and how. Isn’t this the sort of thing that should be investigated?
Read the full thing for yourself. I’m not into conspiracy websites like Time, I don’t think it’s possible to steal an election in the United States (duh), but Time is run by a bunch of qanons or something. Read for yourself:
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Can you find a word to emphasize your point besides "literally."
You're going to have to take that up with Carl.
^
I didn't see any mention of that here at Reason so I have to assume it didn't happen.
Time magazine is the See Aye Ay's weekly news letter.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/twitter-sued-for-allegedly-refusing-to-remove-child-porn/
Twitter refused to take down widely shared pornographic images and videos of a teenage sex trafficking victim because an investigation “didn’t find a violation” of the company’s “policies,” a scathing lawsuit alleges.
The federal suit, filed Wednesday by the victim and his mother in the Northern District of California, alleges Twitter made money off the clips, which showed a 13-year-old engaged in sex acts and are a form of child sexual abuse material, or child porn, the suit states.
So shrike has a Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1601294636764782593?t=S_HNubp-RpVUhPaZvKSPjA&s=19
This is what’s coming next, isn’t it?
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Well Sam Harris will be pleased.
Covid outed Sam as a pussy.
I guess it depends on whether you’re attracted to ideas like this.
What would happen it were “discovered” that magnets weaken pedophiles attraction to children? Would these idiots be pro or con magnetic personality alteration? That gives a whole new meaning to magnetic personality.
This sounds like an idea that even Alex Jones would find ridiculous.
It was the "shutting down the threat-processing center" part that really stood out to me
Gad Saad loves the story of the parasite that infects a mouse’s brain causing the mouse to lose all fear of cats. What would happen if the threat processing center shut down and people lost all fear of the government? Be fun to see the faces of the experimenters when their subject kicks the shit out of them.
Well, sir, my plans are at this time to go directly to my Twitter office, and remove your account.
That should reduce hate speech by a significant percentage.
Article does a good job in defining what constitutes freedom of speech and why a “demand” from an official in his/her official capacity aimed at people for what they communicate constitutes a violation of that right.
Schiff doesn’t care. He has skirted the law for years now, without facing adverse consequences for when he crossed over the line, due to his position in power. But this may be coming to an end. The Republicans taking over the House have announced that Schiff and one other are being stripped of their powerful committee assignments, in response to Pelosi hand picking the Republicans on the 1/6 committee.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1600983619786268672?t=YcX2riSbzubmPA8Guz1TcQ&s=19
Aside from these made-up numbers: do you see how -- to Democratic Party politicians -- dictating to social media companies what they can and can't platform, how they must censor, the role Democratic politicians play in all this, is just assumed as normal?
This is the most over-looked part of the debate over Big Tech censorship. For more than 2 years, Dems have been abusing their majoritarian power in DC to coerce social media companies to censor for them, with legal and regulatory punishment if they don't.
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>>Rep. Adam Schiff (D–Calif.) yesterday said he is "demanding action"
and his power to do so ended with his demand.
No, it ended when Jack Dorsey left the building.
Gedankenexperiments: 1. See if you can visualize Schiff without feeling just a little pity, disgust, loathing or hatred.
2. Imagine
Clayton BigsbyKanye being torn to bits by his own small, hard, angry mob--without you yourself experiencing any schadenfreude at all. If you can do both of those, well, mister, you're a better man than I.Schiff is truly one of the most despicable people in Congress. I still think an enterprising defense attorney should go back and look at the cases he prosecuted as an AUSA and see what kind of fishiness they can find. Because, someone who can be as deceitful and corrupt in public as he is, had to be more so in private.
Absolutely
What?!?! Do what Reason seldom does? Do what we say, not what we do?
So every word uttered by anyone in any position of government authority is a violation of the First Amendment because it must be construed as an impermissible threat. Got it.
https://i.insider.com/5c1bb0d3404f4d1f5f648749?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp
Obviously a threat. He is clearly trying to intimidate media companies into giving him more favorable coverage lest they be “blacklisted” by the phony-baloney awards. Must be prosecuted and thrown in jail for his blatant violation of the First Amendment.
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1489296382582304769
Also obviously a threat. He is clearly trying to intimidate vaccine skeptics into silence by using official power to elevate the pro-vaccine message. Must be prosecuted and thrown in jail for this blatant First Amendment violation.
Were you born this ignorant and clueless or did you have to work hard to achieve that goal?
Perhaps Jeff read an instruction book when he signed up for fifty cent payments.
It was part of his re-education.
chemfat sticking up for his lefty boos again.
Hey look, you must be out on parole! How many lefties did you beat up this time?
Not enough.
Why? You looking for some action, fatfuck.
Grab your ankles Your boyfriend Schiff right behind you.
It's funny how disingenuous you will be in order to protect your political tribe. And someone like Schiff nonetheless. Just sad.
I'm not defending Schiff. I'm pointing out the absurdity of claiming that every word uttered by every politician is a de facto violation of the First Amendment.
But no one is claiming every word uttered by a politician is a de facto violation of the First Amendment. That’s some weird strawman that you created to apparently not defend Schiff.
The issue is the actual threats to do something by a lawmaker who has threatened to take action if things are not done. That’s literally a First Amendment issue.
Maybe focus on the actual and not your perception.
The issue is the actual threats to do something by a lawmaker who has threatened to take action if things are not done.
So where are the "actual threats" here? Hint: There aren't any.
OOHHHH, but if I am going to *interpret* Schiff's statement as "do what I say otherwise I will regulate your asses into oblivion", then why not make the same paranoid interpretation of everything that politicians say?
When a Congressman demands someone to take specific action to regulate speech, that impacts the First Amendment. I know you on the left like the idea of government being able to curtail speech, but just because you advocate for it doesn't make it right.
When a Congressman demands someone to take specific action to regulate speech, that impacts the First Amendment.
You didn't even read the letter, did you?
This is what Schiff asked for:
You’re working so hard to defend this guy. What a shock.
You obviously don’t keep up on current events. Schiff presented this letter than through Twitter and orally demanded action by Musk and Twitter.
You really need to understand the subject before opining on the situation.
Yes, the action he demanded was that Musk answer some of his questions about moderation policy. Schiff did not demand "censor that tweet!" Schiff did not demand "impose this policy!" The action was to request documents and ask questions.
Oh man, you are so grasping at this point.
How about you side with free speech rather than authoritarian government action. Can you do that?
This simping for Schiff is just embarrassing.
Jeffy will always side with pedophiles and always side against free speech. He is an obedient democrat.
that claim was @ some other site.
another day, another instance where you come out, somehow, simping for someone on the left, yet we still dont have any evidence of you simping for someone on the right.
But you aren't just a standard NPC democrat, nope, no way
I'm not "simping" for anyone here LOL, I even said I don't agree with the letter.
Yes, yes you are. It's even worse that you don't see it.
The two tweets I posted above. Do they violate the First Amendment? Yes or no?
Of the 2 tweets you posted (and the Schiff one that is the subject of the article), only two have demands and only two were made by politicians that are currently in office with the power to actually act if their demands aren’t met.
Unless you are counting “stay tuned!” as a demand, in which case, carry on I guess.
Edit: Don't know about violating the first amendment for any of these, but the comparison between all three is sort of tenuous at best.
No, because they in no way threaten government retaliation for speech. This isn’t hard, why you are trying to make it so in order to not defend Schiff is bizarre.
But Schiff's letter doesn't threaten government retaliation either. Only if one were to interpret the letter in a paranoid manner would one conclude that it's a threat.
And if we're going to be putting on our tinfoil hats when reading statements from politicians, why not interpret everything in the most paranoid manner possible?
So when Biden tweets "get vaccinated", is that a threat? Is he trying to silence anti-vax skeptics?
Again I'm not defending his letter, I am objecting to the paranoid interpretation of his letter.
A Congressman demanding a company take action is threatening. Esepcially in light of the numerous hearings that Congress has conducted on big tech and prior threats and harassment by the government.
This bizarre approach you are taking that only when a specific threat is leveled does the First Amendment get implicated is not supported by current First Amendment law in this country.
And yes, you are defending the letter. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either the letter is touching upon First Amendment issues or it’s not. You can’t say that it’s both.
Where is the threatened government retaliation in the letter? Hmm?
OH wait you didn't even read the letter. Right.
This bizarre approach you are taking that only when a specific threat is leveled does the First Amendment get implicated is not supported by current First Amendment law in this country.
I don't know the details of First Amendment case law in this country, I am not a lawyer.
But my position is that if "jawboning" is going to be considered a violation of the First Amendment, there has to be some rational and very direct connection between the "jawboning" and some threatened government action. Some politician writing some letter does not automatically rise to the level of a First Amendment violation. OTHERWISE, it is a violation of the free speech rights of the politician him/herself.
Yes, jawboning depending how it's done is a violation. You need to understand the subject you are opining on. Explaining that you don't know First Amendment jurisprudence really cuts against your opinion being anything relevant.
Here's a question for you. If the president sends you a letter explaining the speech he doesn't like of you. Then proceeds to demand you do something about it. Is that not a First Amendment problem?
I'm describing what ought to be, at least in my opinion.
I have a right to say what I want.
The President has a right to say what he wants.
I have a 1A right to demand that the President do something.
The President has a 1A right to demand that I do something.
None of that speech actually becomes consequential, from a First Amendment perspective, unless - and this is my opinion on how it ought to be - unless there is some direct, meaningful connection to some tangible government force.
So the President can send all the letters to me and demand all he wants of me, and it ought to be perfectly legal IMO. It would only become illegal IMO if he were to send the Army to my house to try to coerce compliance.
But if you disagree, then that would mean that it ought to be illegal for the President to make a demand of me. Wouldn't that be a violation of the President's 1A speech rights?
Actually, the president does not have a 1A right to demand that you stop speech he disapproves of. And your tangible government force is included in the demand because the government can use force against you. The threat of force to stop speech is a violation of 1A. It doesn’t require actual implementation of force.
And this is moreso based on prior actions by Congress and the Feds to regulate speech on social media already.
"And your tangible government force is included in the demand because the government can use force against you."
This statement just confirms my original comment. By your standard, what statement from a politician DOESN'T include a threat of government force? None. Therefore every word uttered by every politician is an implicit threat and therefore illegal by your standard. This is interpreting every statement through the most paranoid lens possible and then declaring it all to be illegal. That violates THEIR rights.
To review:
Criminals have rights.
Immigrants have rights.
Transgender children have rights.
Conservatives have rights.
Progressives have rights.
EVEN POLITICIANS have rights.
This is what it looks like to stand up for liberty for its own sake.
"The threat of force to stop speech is a violation of 1A"
I agree. But the threat cannot be merely theoretical. It must be real and tangible.
God, he's completely lost it. Somebody call 911.
Jeff,
I can't help you here. You're purposefully simping for Schiff on this.
You can't use government threats to suppress speech. Schiff demanding Musk and Twitter do something about speech he doesn't like falls within that line.
I can't believe how to the wall you are going defending authoritarianism.
Jeffy always defends democrat authoritarianism. He also defends pedophiles and grooming.
Even if Schiff said “do what I want, or I’m sending some guys to wreck up the place”, Fatfuck would try to twist that around in some way to claim it wasn’t a 1A violation.
Now do Trump.
His awful speech wasn't a First Amendment violation either.
They need to demand action to stop the DNC from coordinating with social media companies to suppress news, spread misinformation, and act as propaganda arms of the government.
^THIS... There should be a congressional impeachment of these lawless gov-gun toting Nazi's in office.
1) It’s not “hate speech.” It’s not even opinions with which he disagrees. It’s just facts he doesn’t want you to know, and arguments to which he doesn’t have a counter-argument.
2) But what if it were “hate speech?” So what? We have a 1st Amendment. And if Joe Smith posted “Boston Irishmen are all fat drunk slobs,” I would know that I should avoid doing any business with Joe Smith. If his tweet got deleted, I would not know that I should avoid doing business with him. I’d rather know!!!!
Reason.com comments sections are 90% hate speech. Grab your muskets and tricorn hats and MAGA onward toward victory, fake libertarian Trump zombies.
I hate, therefor I am.
Whose sock are you, asshole?
Probably a silk stocking - - - - - - -
You need Jesus.
Musk was the liberals tech hero of the left until he said he supported free speech and did something about it. Now he is evil incarnate and being legally harassed at every turn.
Dr. Oz was the liberal Medical hero of the left until he said he supported a few conservative causes and ran for Senator. Now he is evil incarnate and verbally crucified at every turn.
I see a pattern here. Trump was a liberal TV star and celebrity until he said he supported America First and ran for President. Now he is evil incarnate and being legally harassed at every turn.
I see a pattern here. If your friend is a liberal they will turn on you if you disagree with him. Not much of a friend. Oprah loved all three, doesn't anymore though.
And everybody in the cult knows this.
I think we should all tell Adam Schiff to go pound sand. Along with a few other things I can think of.
BTW, where is all that Russia collusion evidence Schiff has been hiding for all these years.
Sanctimonious little prick indeed!
With all the intelligent people in this nation, we have Adam Schiff, Mazie Hirono, Eric Swaldwell, Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, Alexander Ocasio-Cortez, and Maxine Waters as political representatives in our nation. That in itself proves there is election fraud. There is no way enough people vote for these imbeciles to actually put them into office.
How could you leave Jerry Nadler off that list? He makes Adam Schiff look like Mother Teresa.
Schiff is pretty good with his own disinformation.
https://www.newsweek.com/adam-schiff-parody-donald-trump-congressional-hearing-whistleblower-complaint-ukraine-call-1461579
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This is and old news nothingburger. We should just move on.
Totes
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601358959507492864?t=as11dliaMQopGsGDz0w3iA&s=19
10. As the election approached, senior executives – perhaps under pressure from federal agencies, with whom they met more as time progressed – increasingly struggled with rules, and began to speak of “vios” as pretexts to do what they’d likely have done anyway.
We should just move on ... to indictments.
Nothing but a pencil neck geek!
A toddler could strangle him. Which is probably why he’s so pro abortion. Less tiny tykes to take him out.
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It was business-ey.
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What Musk should do as the owner of a social media platform under unconstitutional attack by powerful Federal officials has two factors, not just the one asserted by Jacob Sullum – that he should tell Schiff to mind his own business. Although Musk is, indeed, “well positioned” to fight back against Congressional overreach, he would also be well-advised to consider the power of Congressional officials to threaten regulations of industry in the face of a historically impotent Judiciary. The wheels turn exceedingly slowly and, in fact, grind not very finely.
Or the more direct regulatory and subsidy attacks on his other businesses.
Tesla won't last long if the government pulls the teat away. Neither will SpaceX and Starlink is dependent upon SpaceX.
They could also begin a fishing expedition against Musk; the one against Trump is now in its 6th year.
Why does Adam Schiff eant to terminate the Constitution?
Assuming 'eant' is 'want', then perhaps you have failed to notice his full name is Adam Schiff (D).
Fascists gotta do fascism.
Adam Schiff, Congressional subhuman. I've studied and taught US History as well as Civics for decades. This piece of political self serving trash stands alone as the most dishonorable politician ever. Nothing new here. Subhuman with the cutest cubby checks.
Schiff trying to dodge the bullet during a disastrous The Voice interview: "None of [Trump's] serious misconduct is in any way DIMINISHED by the fact that people lied to Christopher Steele."
@MorganOrtagus: "No, I think just your credibility is."
Really? Most dishonorable ever. Beating out Nixon, Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson, Nancy Pelosi? Schiff is your choice?
Altruist collectivists seem to think of competitors at the trough in terms of personalities and horror pictures. British WW1 posters showed a Gorilla with a club groping a Faye Wray blonde, and German monarchists produced a side view of a similar ape with forage cap instead of Pickelhaube and a rifle instead of a club. Observe that the hundreds of Grabber Of Pussy infiltrators here are fixated on anal sex imagery rather than how their gang would protect your savings and keep the bullies away. Schiff is Satan, Trump is Hitler's Baby Jesus, that settles it.
Five stars. It's a tough choice for dishonorable when you use the word 'ever', which I would qualify with the word 'active', and with so many competing for the designation, but Schiff's my selection as well.
most dishonorable politician ever
I think you're forgetting a plethora of his fellow democrats.
I'd say the most dishonorable politician in US history would be Woodrow Wilson for lying us into world war one. The most dishonorable politician globally is a toss-up between Vidkun Quisling and Philippe Petain.
-jcr
Wilson also signed into law the creation of the Federal Reserve Act. thus securing America's death sentence.
There are a number of other nasty things he ordered during that useless war.
LOL this did not age well for Adam.
Schiff for brains.
They also want information about "Twitter's plan to increase safety for its users"
"Oh, that's easy. We plan to post 'Please do not lick electrical outlets' whenever anyone initiates."
Yeah, there are so many ‘unsafe tweets’ out there……….
Democrat Congressmen -> FBI/DHS -> Media/Press...
And when Elon Musk cuts the FBI/DHS influence it becomes...
Democrat Congressmen -> Media/Press..
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Telling a guy like Adam Schiff to mind his own business is pretty dangerous; Guys like that think EVERYTHING is their own business, remember.
Schiff claims there's a great deal bigoted 'hate speech', much of it directed at him. That's probably true though I would object to his use of the word 'bigoted'. Hate of him is mostly an acquired emotion, learned from seeing and hearing him personally. His primary mode of communication is prevarication, mendacity and lies - and that's when he's not slurring and slandering someone. Yes, one has to admit to loathing and despising his greasy, oily, bug-eyed face and looking forward to not having his house committee quotes cited by reporters seeking to inform of the fascists' latest despicable tactics when the republicans take over. Schiff has righteously earned every bit of hate directed at him.
That he, somehow, got onto the House Intelligence Committee , belies the fact that Schiff is not very bright himself. It also implicates that very committee for a lack of real intelligence.
Schiff has a habit of engaging mouth before putting brain in gear.
Not much longer. Supposedly, using the 1/6 committee precedent, where Pelosi picked the Republicans on the committee, Schiff and one other Dem are being removed from that committee.
With Schiff removed, the IQ of that committee will increase more than a few points.
We can also look forward to hearings regarding Biden pe're et fils, with perhaps some, you know "evidence" instead of innuendo, and actual crimes instead of fantasies.
I assume Swallwell is out too. Considering he was fucking a Chinese spy behind his wife’s back. And possibly tipped her off so she could escape capture.
Democrats are largely traitors anymore.
Anybody can take anything anyone else says as hate speech if they twist it around enough and mutilate the very idea of freedom of speech.
Anything, anybody printed here can be deliberately misconstrued as hate speech. All it takes is for someone to disagree with a statement or find something someone said as either an insult or outside the three by five index card of allowable opinion. It also goes without saying if you stray away from the official narrative, you are also guilty of hate speech.
In short, hate speech is whatever our overlords say it is and if you disagree with them then your guilty of hate speech.
Some of these people need to reread the First Amendment and also what Jefferson stated concerning what some people would consider as hate speech.
That's exactly what the First Amendment was written for.....to protect the speech of those whom you would vehemently disagree or find repulsive. To protect the right of the people to voice their opinions no matter how repulsed you may be. To be able to do so without fear of reprisal by government.
Sullum wasn't concerned when Trump was getting canceled by Twitter; perhaps a raging case of TDS might have something to do with that.
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Keep this in mind - Schiff was one of the Dems who had a dedicated back door into the Old Twitter. He lost that, after Musk took over, and fired all of the censors, including those Schiff had on speed dial.
Whatever his flaws, Elon Musk has done more for free speech in the last three weeks than Reason has done for the last decade.
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Imagine if a Reason staffer actually investigated some of the 'conspiracies'; they might have found them to be factual!
Schiff is the embodiment of *everything* that is wrong with American politics. He is a hate-filled, envy-fueled power mongering charlatan of the first order.
The shitweasel used to be a federal prosecutor. I wonder how many innocent people he railroaded to advance his career?
Democrats hate free speech for anyone who disagrees with them. They are authoritarians and totalitarians in drag.
We should get rid of the democrat party.
Speaking of Schiff for brains. Remember that whole Crowdstrike thing that convinced everybody that Russia hacked DNC emails?
https://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2022/12/04/americans-dumbed-down-on-russia/
On December 5, 2017, Shawn Henry, head of the cyber security firm CrowdStrike, testified to the House Intelligence Committee that there was no technical evidence that Russia hacked the DNC emails that WikiLeaks published in July 2016. CrowdStrike had been hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign (with the FBI’s blessing) to investigate "Russian hacking".
Shawn Henry is a protégé of former FBI Director Robert Mueller (from 2001 to 2012), for whom Henry served as head of the Bureau’s cyber-crime investigations unit before he went to CrowdStrike. What are the chances that Shawn Henry did not keep his former mentor, the Special Counsel, informed of this critical factoid?
Why are some of you readers just now learning about this – five years after that testimony? Short answer: Adam Schiff (D, CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee was able to keep Henry’s unclassified testimony secret from Dec. 5, 2017 until May 7, 2020, when he was forced to release it. Schiff gave the silencer-baton to friends in the corporate media, who have now suppressed Shawn Henry’s testimony for longer than even Schiff could.
so called "hate speech" is by definition free speech. adam shit is a low iq moron.
a low iq moron
A job requirement.
It’s a shame he exists.
List of FBI/CIA still at Twitter
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1600316966182715393.html
Slappy McSlapface.
Sticks And Stones
“Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names never will hurt me.” -from G. F. Northall (1894)
A subscriber to The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) submits a relevant comment to a published article therein. The so-called moderators, a euphemism for “censors, reject the submitted comment, as they now reject all submissions by the commentator despite his past comments having garnered more than 700 “likes”. “Shadow banning” against which Tucker Carlson rails on television. Yet, his own employer does it routinely. Doing so is the next step past argument ad hominem; i.e., name-calling.
Also, it is the step preceding sticks and stones; whereby, with the assistance of Big Media the government arrests offending commentators, charging them with sedition and who knows what else then allowing them to rot in solitary confinement without access to legal counsel and speedy trial by jury as are their constitutional rights. Then, the trials do come — summary trials, that is, in “kangaroo courts” in the District of Corruption. Then, summary executions.
Can it come to a neighborhood near you? It already is stoked by slime like Adam Schiff.
“Eternal vigilance the price of freedom.” Traditional Saying
https://www.nationonfire.com/the-wall-street-journal-censorship-hypocrisy-too/ .
Scratch a liberal, find an autocrat. Fuck Schiff, and any idiot who ever voted for that scumbag.
-jcr
Everything Schiff utters is hate speech, Schiff should be banned from all forms of communication.
What if I just hate what Adam Schiff has to say? Unless he wants to produce the evidence of Russian collusion he promised he had or why he intentionally withheld it from the Mueller investigation he needs to be banned. Would he still support banning?
Why do you think all these people, governments and lobbyists are more upset about “hatred” which is merely an emotion than “lying” which is coercion?
It’s simple. Knowledge is power.THEY NEED TO LIE to maintain their power over you, us, which they convert into their riches.
Emotions are a basic tool of propaganda. Keeping them in the media maintains our brainwashing.
Criminalize lying and demand that truth be demonstrated with correctly applied logic and science and put an end to propaganda, misinformation AND hatred.
Misek’s “irrefutable” evidence shown to be largely lacking in evidence and refuted where we find some few scraps:
1) “There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence.”
That’s a lie.
Contemporarily, there was ample evidence in carcasses, skeletons, other human remains, mounds of possessions, gold dentures, etc.
Even in 1994, comparisons cyanide ions remaining on the walls of buildings where Zyklon-B was used sparing as a fumigant and the walls of the cellars at Auschwitz shows drastic deltas: Institute for Forensic Research, Cracow: Post-Leuchter Report (archive.org)
2) “Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred”
Irrelevance
3) “The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That never happened.”
Lie or possible attempt at sophistry; cyanide is the active ingredient in Zyklon-B.
4) “Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.”
Bullshit. It is possible to die from contact, but the primary cause of death from Zyklon-B is ingestion of the gas containing the cyanide.
5) “And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.”
Irrelevant attempt to poison the well; not evidence.
6) “Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school”
To be honest, I haven’t heard of this but as regards its evidence regarding the Holocaust, it says nothing at all; it is totally irrelevant.
7) “Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of”
Cite missing for YOUR claim, but:
“Allied forces knew about Holocaust two years before discovery of concentration camps, secret documents reveal”
[…]
“The Allied Powers were aware of the scale of the Jewish Holocaust two-and-a-half years earlier than is generally assumed, and had even prepared war crimes indictments against Adolf Hitler and his top Nazi commanders…”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html
8) “Are you willingly performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?”
OK, this goes beyond parody, and this represents the Nazi shit’s level of gullibility.
Simply, yes, the Nazis did NOT want to broadcast to the world that they were engaged in mass-murder, as the post-war interrogations proved. If there’s ‘mental gymnastics’ here, Nazi shit just got a unanimous “1”.
9) “The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers”
Cite missing.
“The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
Are you performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe that the Red Cross were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% or 5,629,000 deaths?”
Is Nazi shit so gullible as to believe the Nazis would welcome the Red Cross to the death camps? Seems so. Value as “evidence” = zero
10) “Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.”
Arm-waving; see about for Zyklon-B concentrations. Value as “evidence” = zero
11) “According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.”
Arm-waving, Value as “evidence” = zero
12) “Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.”
One approximation, one number many assumptions, no support. Value as “evidence” = zero.
13) “If Germans had used gas engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though they had plenty of gas for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Which stupid lie is more believable? You have to perform some feeble mental gymnastics to buy that.”
More arm-waving, weak attempt at well poisoning, zero evidence.
14) “Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.”
Anti-sematic rant, followed by idiotic conspiracy theory; not anywhere close to “evidence”.
15) “There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.”
I’ll bet there were all sorts of letters which were embarrassing during WWII. Try finding some evidence
16) “The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”.
David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
Smells strongly of “DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!!”, but regardless, even if true, it is irrelevant to the question.
Nazi scum responds with further bullshit, claims the above is only a flesh wound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UijhbHvxWrA
Stick your head in a gas oven and die, Nazi shit.
I’m the one here advocating criminalizing lying.
I’m confident that what I’ve said will never be refuted because it is the truth.
People, this is what propaganda and brainwashing is capable of doing to you.
These people have discarded rational discourse.
On this topic, logic and science isn’t merely not required, it’s appalling to them.
Is that how you really want to feel when faced with a rational counter argument? It’s bigotry.
Wake up and pull the wool from your eyes.
Hey, Misek! Here's how much Aryan Pure Supermen mattered to your Wickedly Great Führer:
One Way Ticket--Japan's Kamakazes Weren't the Only Suicide apilots of WW2
https://militaryhistorynow.com/2014/03/17/one-way-ticket-japans-kamikazes-werent-the-only-suicide-pilots-of-ww2
Yep, that's what "The Common Good Over The Individual Good" really means. And you know those pilots were thoroughly steeped in that absolute lie.
Soooo...Would Hitler and Goebbels both be going to jail for brainwashing the German people with their Collectivist lies, especially lies that led them to give up their lives?
Fuck Off, Nazi!
Shorter. My grandfather was one of the magistrates on a Nazi War Crimes Tribunals (O7+2xO6) at one of the concentration camps. He saw it at a close second hand. It happened, and it was horrible. And as a result of what they saw and heard, they hung themselves some Nazis. And imprisoned more.
This Fuckwit troll’s lame attempt has already been soundly refuted, here.
https://reason.com/2022/11/25/some-loudmouth-politicians-are-finally-wearing-out-their-welcome/?comments=true#comment-9808985
The sheeple is just too stupid to realize it.
Rob Misek 3 days ago
1) “ Even in 1994, comparisons cyanide ions remaining on the walls of buildings where Zyklon-B was used sparing as a fumigant and the walls of the cellars at Auschwitz shows drastic deltas:”
Do you realize that your quote is refuting the holocaust?
Are you saying that the lecter report was objective forensic analysis? Because it concluded that the holocaust couldn’t have occurred as told. It was written in the US where the holocaust is not alleged to have occurred and it is not a crime to deny it.
The “polish rebuttal” was never peer reviewed and was conducted in and by a nation in which concluding the holocaust never occurred is a crime punishable with imprisonment. Does that sound “objective” even to you?
A summary of this topic, for the brainwashed, is that the iron in zyklon b reacted with the brick turning it blue in the clothing fumigation but not the alleged homicidal gas chambers. That is a fact.
Leuchters report in the US was not allowed in the second trial of Ernst Zündel because the court ruled that it wasn’t forensic. Both trials in Canada in the 1980’s though initially convictions were subsequently overturned. He was eventually deported to Germany where merely denying the holocaust is a crime, and convicted of that.
The polish report simply found trace elements of cyanide in the bricks at the alleged homicidal chambers as would be found in all buildings in any camp using zyklon b for delousing. It never compared the amount differences ignoring the blue fumigation versus gray homicidal bricks as the direct result of repeated exposure to zyklon b in one versus the other.
There has been no objective peer reviewed forensic analysis conducted to resolve this issue because in Poland where the evidence exists, it is still illegal to do so.
What government will allow a government approved report to break a government approved law?
Your vague point (1) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 2)…
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Rob Misek 3 days ago (edited)
2) “irrelevance”
The fact that all evidence that refutes the holocaust is criminal in every nation where it allegedly occurred is relevant if you are accepting any evidence at all from those nations.
Refusing to consider evidence is the definition of bias and your conclusion that bias is irrelevant only demonstrates your disregard for justice and your bigotry.
Your statement (2) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 3)…
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
3) “ Lie or possible attempt at sophistry; cyanide is the active ingredient in Zyklon-B.”
Zyklon b was used all over Europe for decades before and during WW2 to kill lice that carried typhus. It is not evidence of a holocaust.
You haven’t refuted anything.
Your point (3) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 4)
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
4) “It is possible to die from contact, but the primary cause of death from Zyklon-B is ingestion of the gas containing the cyanide.”
According to the testimony of the so called survivor, the timing entering the chambers immediately, the details shirtless survivor, piles of bodies with unvented cyanide gas pockets in every space, death from repeated exposure as per testimony would have been necessary, not just possible.
Why don’t you try it?
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
5)” Irrelevant attempt to poison the well; not evidence.”
It’s not irrelevant when the facts I’ve presented are irrefutable.
This is something that you deny and are failing miserably at refuting, as I am currently demonstrating.
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
6)” To be honest, I haven’t head of this but as regards its evidence regarding the Holocaust, it says nothing at all; it is totally irrelevant.”
If you haven’t heard of it how the fuck can you refute it? Just because you’re ignorant of it, doesn’t make something irrelevant.
We’re starting to see your pattern here.
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
7)” Cite missing for YOUR claim, but:
“Allied forces knew about Holocaust two years before discovery of concentration camps, secret documents reveal”
[…]
“The Allied Powers were aware of the scale of the Jewish Holocaust two-and-a-half years earlier than is generally assumed, and had even prepared war crimes indictments against Adolf Hitler and his top Nazi commanders…”
w.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html”
Read your own link fuckwit.
It admits that “the world was learning about the holocaust” in 1941 as the result of allied propaganda.
I provided this cite to you years ago and you still haven’t refuted it.
Here it is again dummy.
“Looks like partial cremation retard sevo doesn’t want to try to refute the proof of lying shlomo.
Time to rub your nose in your amateur attempt to refute the proof that Germans were concerned about the lives of the prisoners in Aushwitz.
Here are some actual enigma decrypts from Bletchley park in 1942 when deaths were at their highest.
The link is to many more that share all kinds of Aushwitz details, absolutely no hint of any “extermination plan”.
Firstly the number of dead for the month are nowhere near what is necessary to support the holocaust narrative.
Secondly, notable is the concern over typhus deaths and the requests for medical supplies to treat.
Here
GPDD No’s.:- 194/199, 201/203, 205, 218, 219, 222/3, 226,
233, 236, 239, 240/2, 247.
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Covering the period 3rd Aug. 1942 – 25th Sept. 1942
A
further examination is made of Concentration Camp figures;
deaths from typhus have reached a very high figure in
AUSCHWITZ.
A suspected case of typhus is reported from
AUSCHWITZ (223b/42). It is probable that on the 6th August
Nachschubkdtr. Russland Mitte requests typhus vaccine for
50 men and spottenfever serum for 20
For the first time returns are given for deaths of
prisoners (223b/14,24,43,50): the figures for August are:
NIEDERHAGEN 21, AUSCHWITZ 6829 (or 6889) men, 1525 women;.
w.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/hw16_65_zip_os2_27.9.42.html
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
8) “OK, this goes beyond parody, and this represents the Nazi shit’s level of gullibility.
Simply, yes, the Nazis did NOT want to broadcast to the world that they were engaged in mass-murder, as the post-war interrogations proved. If there’s ‘mental gymnastics’ here, Nazi shit just got a unanimous “1”.”
Yeah thanks for admitting that you think that Germany intentionally lost WW2 to cover up the holocaust. Hahaha
Nothing to refute here folks. That was easy. Moving on to 9)…
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
9)a)”Cite missing.”
Cite provided above. That was easy. Moving on to 9)b)…
9)b)”Is Nazi shit so gullible as to believe the Nazis would welcome the Red Cross to the death camps? Seems so. Value as “evidence” = zero”
The Red Criss kept records of their visits to all prison camps. Including Aushwitz.
Here is a summary of all recorded deaths. My point remains.
From: International
Red Cross, Arolsen
West Germany
w.renegadetribune.com/international-red-cross-report-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
10)”Arm-waving; see about for Zyklon-B concentrations. Value as “evidence” = zero”
You have not attempted to refute my statement.
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
11)”Arm-waving, Value as “evidence” = zero”
It clearly demonstrates that the liars who concocted and told the holocaust story can’t get their lies straight. It is irrefutable evidence of Contradiction = lie.
Now you’re just being lazy.
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
12)”One approximation, one number many assumptions, no support. Value as “evidence” = zero.”
One more fact that you haven’t refuted.
We all can see that you’re not even trying to refute what you deny.
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
13)”More arm-waving, weak attempt at well poisoning, zero evidence.”
More logic that you can’t/won’t refute.
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
14)”Anti-sematic rant, followed by idiotic conspiracy theory; not anywhere close to “evidence”.”
It’s a fact that demonstrates that Jews have a long history of falsely claiming holocausts and logically questions the statistical likelihood that this time after 166 lies that actually 6 million Jews did die.
That’s relevant.
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
15)”I’ll bet there were all sorts of letters which were embarrassing during WWII. Try finding some evidence”
Again, you aren’t refuting my statement. People have found the evidence. I’m sharing it. You’re denying but not refuting it.
Cite provided again.
Head of British Psychological Warfare Executive (Propaganda), Victor Cavendish-Bentick in a handwritten note, wrote on Aug 27th, 1943,
“We have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don’t we run the risk eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring the whole of our psychological warfare down with it? So isn’t it rather time now to let it drift off by itself and concentrate on other lines that we are running.”
Public Record Office Document F0371/34551 revealed by Stephen Mitford Goodson, ‘Inside the South African Reserve Bank’.
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Rob Misek 3 days ago
16)”Smells strongly of “DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!!”, but regardless, even if true, it is irrelevant to the question.”
They are properly referenced quotes from Jewish leaders demonstrating that they had intended to create and force Germany into WW2.
That kind of evil is absolutely relevant when considering the character required to lie to the world about a holocaust for the 167 th time.
Yeah, it stinks. But it’s coming from you.
Your pathetic attempt 16) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to… that’s it you’re done.
I’ve demonstrated that you haven’t refuted any of my points.
I like feeding the irrefutable evidence of truth to bigots like you and laughing every time you choke.
Yes, I’m weeping. I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time. Hahaha.
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Nuremberg! Hahaha.
Harlan Fiske Stone, a member of the US supreme court, said Robert Jackson, the chief US prosecutor, was away “conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg”. Not that Stone minded what was done to the Nazis, he just didn’t want justice to be tainted by it in fraudulent trials.
Your grandfather was just part of an illegitimate lunching. He didn’t tell anyone the truth, including you.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2012/oct/26/nazi-shooting-nuremberg-international-justice
The Allies were far too lenient to the Nazis, due to the requirements of expedience in setting up west Germany as a speed bump to impede further Soviet expansionism.
Every SS officer should have been executed by having their medals violently shoved up their ass so they could die in agony from peritonitis, and every Wehrmacht officer above the rank of captain should have been imprisoned for the rest of their lives, unless executed for specific actions in support of war crimes.
On the other side of the world, the entirety of the Japanese officer corps should have been handed over to the countries they occupied for trial and punishment. I'm sure that China, Burma, Malaysia, and the Philippines would have given them what they deserved.
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ZOMG! One judge makes a comment critical of Nuremberg, and the whole thing becomes illegitimate!
Fucking pathetic. Even for a piece of shit Nazi like you.
"ZOMG! One judge makes a comment critical of Nuremberg, and the whole thing becomes illegitimate!..."
Scumbag Nazi is not familiar with phrases like "cherry-picking"; maybe if he passes 6th-grade this year, but who knows?
Sevo, all his arguments are like that. Contextless quotes, writings form obscure authors, and lots of specious conclusions drawn from facts not in evidence.
The Holocaust is one of the most documented horrors in all of human history. It makes me wonder if Misek was raised in a neo Nazi family, or some scumbag loser who found acceptance from the neo Nazis as an adult.
Either way, suicide would be a good move for him.
Ted, That has to be it. At this point, if someone is arguing against the Holocaust it’s because they want to, not because the evidence points that direction.
He either grew up in a Nazi household or had some bad experiences in life that turned him into an anti-Semite Nazi apologist. He’s just pure scum at this point.
...and mute
Promises, promises.
We don’t need bigots who can’t even consider counter arguments much less refute them.
Psycho!
It’s just a flesh-wound! This slimy piece of Nazi shit has no idea what “evidence” means; arm-waving satifies this shit-stan.
Let's take an example:
"It’s not irrelevant when the facts I’ve presented are irrefutable."
So: "The sun appears to rise in the east, therefore my argument is irrefutable!"
Certainly Nazi shit bags are dishonest, but they are typically abysmally stupid besides, as shit-stain here makes obvious.
Hahaha.
I’m pleased with the optics of this.
You're pleased with clearly being a psychotic Nazi who has no grasp of reality who constantly posts anti-Semitic responses to advertising bots?
Bitch, take the ‘L’. You’re just embarrassing yourself. Even more than usual. You’re a Jew hating Nazi that wants to exterminate Jews but pretends your pals never tired to do that.
Are you kidding?
I’m having way too much fun feeding you bleating trolls the truth that you obviously can’t refute and are choking on.
Fill your boots fuckwits.
Hahaha
"Are you kidding?..."
No, shitstain, no one is kidding.
You've been handed your hat and you are too fucking stupid to understand that, let alone the meaning of the terms "evidence" and "irrelevance".
Stick your head in a gas oven, turn it on and breathe deeply.
You tried to refute my statements point by point and I immediately refuted your lame attempts point by point.
My refutation of your claims is where this dialogue currently stands until someone refutes it. Nobody has and don’t seem to be able to. That’s why I am pleased with the optics.
Unfortunately for you, delusion doesn’t make a good argument.
Oh yeah, your delusion.
I said, 5) “And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.”
You said ”Irrelevant attempt to poison the well; not evidence.”
This entire discussion has become about the story of the holocaust and my demonstration that the facts prove it couldn’t have occurred as told.
That’s not irrelevant as you claimed. It’s called the argument you’re losing.
You will only refute this point when you have refuted another, which you haven’t done.
"You tried to refute my statements point by point and I immediately refuted your lame attempts point by point..."
I *DID* refute your claims, point-by-point, and stated why: Most were irrelevant to the issue, others were 'guilt-by-innuendo' the very few facts which were neither were lies.
You responded with more lies, arm-waving and irrelevant claims.
You're an uneducated boob, far out of your depth, entirely too stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" and "relevance". Fuck off and end your pathetic existence.
I refuted your lame attempt to refute my statements.
At this point you stand refuted.
Fuckwit, try to keep up.
You're the hypocrite advocating for laws by which you'd never be released from jail, shit-stain.
Yet you lie with every post. You’ve been beaten over and over. Take the ‘L’. You’re just a nazi buffoon. Your arguments have been refuted over and over. Everyone is done with your shit. There are no converts to be had here.
So go back to Stormfront, or whatever nazi rock you crawled out form under. Assuming the other Nazis will take back a loser like you.
Not unless someone could refute what I’ve said.
You certainly haven’t. Hahaha
I've actually met and spoken with a Holocaust survivor when I was younger. Yeah, the idiot conspiracy nuts Holocaust survivors scream evidence then blindly ignore the plethora of evidence that it happened. For fuck sake, many of the war criminals not only admitted to it, but bragged on the stands about it. Plus, the camps kept very detailed records. In order for it to be a hoax, that would mean the thousands of Allied GIs who liberated camps, the hundreds of thousands of survivors, plus thousands of Nazis themselves, would all have had to been in on the Hoax. Also, it wasn't just the Jews, but Gypsies, homosexuals, political opponents, numerous Catholic, Lutheran and other clergy, Jehova Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, communists, people with disabilities etc, that also were murdered. Hell, Mussolini's own son in law ended up in a Concentration camp, as did some of the German aristocracy, members of the ex-Kaiser's own family. Hell, even some of the People who helped Hitler come to power and who helped found the Nazi party were victims of the Holocaust.
Of all the victims of the Holocaust, Jews only made up about fifty percent of those killed, but were the largest group.
Guess you don't know too much about U.S. war crimes in World War II or their actions following the war which killed several hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese civilians, not to mention the forced reparation of 200,000 Russians to the Soviet Union and execution. The U.S. choose Nagasaki and Hiroshima because the cities had no military industry and were untouched by allied bombing during the war. This allowed the U.S. to properly gauge the full extent of the bomb's destructive power.
We were far more lenient on the Japanese, who in many ways rivaled the Germans in their atrocities, largely because MacArthur and Truman didn't want to destabilize Japan post war and maybe give the Soviets a chance to spread their power there too, after seeing what happened in Europe.
The strategic bombing of Japanese mainland didn't start until December of 1944. The firebombing didn't start until February. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen from a list of cities that had largely gone unbombed because they largely lacked specific military targets. In fact, Nagasaki wasn't even Bock's Cars original target that day. It was a secondary target that they diverted too. The primary target was occluded in clouds, and despite the B-29 being able to bomb using radar, command had ruled out radar guided bombing for the atom bomb. As it was Nagasaki was also clouded over, however, due to a missed rendezvous, Bock's Car was low on fuel, and couldn't divert to a tertiary target, therefore they decided to bomb using radar, as there was no procedure for abortion once the bombs had been armed.
As for the bombing of civilians, the US largely tried to avoid striking civilian targets on purpose, until very late in the war. In fact, the US insisted on daylight bombing, despite the huge casualties we incurred doing it, because we wanted to cut civilian casualties as much as possible. The switch only came about when they finally admitted how inaccurate the Norden bomb sights were and only as a means to try and convince the axis powers to surrender. Even, then, the so called terror bombing remained a minority of USAAF bombing missions (even in the Pacific, after the success of the firebombing, the USAAF also continued with more traditional strategic bombings in addition to the fire bombing).
As for war crimes, other than the air campaign (which is arguable), there is no real evidence of organized war crimes, what few were usually the result of a breakdown in discipline, unlike Germany and Japan, in which they were official policy. Sinking of transport seacraft and killing or detaining merchant sailors is a vital military goal, so you can't bring up the submarine warfare. logistics wins wars, and denying your enemy supplies is a recognized goal back to the days of ancient Greece and before then. Allied prosecutors did try and convict Doenitz for the submarine war he lead, but he was acquitted largely due to American and British Admirals testifying on his behalf.
Yes, in every war, both sides commit atrocities, but Germany and Japan didn't just commit atrocities, they made it official policy. Which never happened on the US side. Even the terror bombing of Dresden and the atomic bombing and the firebombing all had legitimate military goals. The mistreatment of POW by Japan, the Holocaust, Concentration camps, the massacre of surrendering troops by both powers, the comfort women, the specific targeting of medics and hospital ships by the Japanese, etc served little to no strategic or tactical value and in most cases actually detracted from military goals. And they were almost all directed from those on the top. Comparing the US actions to the German or Japanese is pure revisionist bullshit.
You folks replied in my thread apparently appealing to logic and science so I’m going to put you on the spot.
Do you think anyone here has refuted anything I’ve said?
If so, describe it in detail. If not, admit it.
Stand up for once. Don’t mince words.
"Guess you don’t know too much about U.S. war crimes in World War II or their actions following the war which killed several hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese civilians,"
You're full of shit.
"not to mention the forced reparation of 200,000 Russians to the Soviet Union and execution."
Yes, that was required by treaty.
"The U.S. choose Nagasaki and Hiroshima because the cities had no military industry"
You're full of shit.
"and were untouched by allied bombing during the war. This allowed the U.S. to properly gauge the full extent of the bomb’s destructive power."
They had been left un-bombed to demonstrate the destructive power of the bombs to the *Japanese*, which bombs ended the war with the fewest casualties of ANY alternative open to the US.
Killing innocent civilians to achieve a political goal is the definition of terrorism.
It doesn’t surprise me that you support it.
It isn’t a war crime to bomb your enemy. Comparing that to the calculated genocide of millions for no legitimate purpose is beyond bullshit.
You just sound like an anti American leftist with that shit.
Now you’re also on record advocating terrorism.
That doesn’t surprise me either.
Rob,
You've been refuted more times than Trump and Biden have lied throughout their lives.
That's the problem. You won't accept refutation because you're an anti-Semitic, Nazi piece of shit. You want to believe your drivel, so nothing will change your mind. Even the mountains and mountains of evidence including direct testimony from both victims and perpetrators.
Yet you can’t cite or describe even a single example of anybody ever refuting me.
Hmmm I wonder if that’s because you’re just a lying waste of skin.
You’re a brainwashed troll who claims true what has never been proven and denies what has never been refuted. An anonymous insignificant coward.
I’m pleased with the optics for the benefit of the impartial lurking observers.
I’m honestly just amazed at how comfortable you are being a lying, Nazi loving, anti-Semitic piece of shit. It’s impressive to see people fully embracing being complete scum that almost everyone would be happy with if they died.
It’s a weird space to occupy, but you’re doing your best at it.
Honestly, your delusions are on you.
If you’re honestly interested in losing them, you’ll need to begin by proving what you claim and refuting what you deny.
I I won’t hold my breath so I’m pleased with the optics.
No, I’m serious. You have to understand that you are currently competing against pedophiles for the award of being the worst people in our society.
I mean, you do understand that people who sympathize with Nazis are basically the lowest of the low, right? Be whoever you want, but at least understand that who you are is close to the most hated amongst us.
I’m serious too.
Believing what you can’t prove and denying what you can’t refute is delusional behaviour.
Without the cherished holocaust bogeyman tale, which I’ve refuted, what are Nazis besides enemy combatants in WW2?
Nazis called themselves the master race, Jews the chosen people. Both for undeserved entitlements.
Jews claim ownership of the Freemason satanic secret society, Nazis the Thule society.
Ask any Palestinian if they like Jewish occupation and destruction of their ancestral homes.
Your delusion is self serving .Jews and allies can do no wrong.
I’m interested in the truth which is only obstructed by the banning, censorship and criminalization of it in every nation that the tale allegedly occurred in.
So you seriously don’t understand that it’s between you and pedophiles as some of the most disgusting people to exist?
You really don’t understand how gross and awful a person you are? I mean, literally everyone on this site would be happy if you died. That just doesn’t register to you?
I mean, I know you support Nazis and repeatedly post responses to advertising bots, so you are clearly on the low end of the IQ scale, but you really don’t understand how hated you are?
People, this is what propaganda and brainwashing is capable of doing to you.
This person has discarded rational discourse.
On this topic for him, logic and science isn’t merely not required, it’s appalling to him.
Is that how you really want to feel when faced with a rational counter argument?
Wake up and pull the wool from your eyes.
Who are you talking to? And what are you talking about?
I'm not debating the existence of the Holocaust with you. That's like debating that the earth is spherical with a flat-earther. No matter the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you're still going to believe your little conspiracy theory, so there is no point.
Instead, I'm fascinated with how divorced from reality you really are. Absolutely everyone here hates you and I'm interested to know if you understand that? Do you truly not understand how repulsive of a human you are?
Great analogy,
Like the holocaust, it was once a crime to prove the world was round.
It is a great analogy. And yet, people like you still think, after the Holocaust was proved beyond a reasonable doubt like was done with the roundness of the earth, that the earth is still flat and the Holocaust didn't happen.
It's amazing how you will hang on to complete bullshit positions because your desired narrative and bigotry won't allow you to see reality.
But that aside, I notice you keep avoiding my questions. I want to know if you understand just how hated and awful you are? Seriously. I want to understand if you grasp the level of disdain everyone has for you?
Your hatred and it’s effects are totally on you. Your pathetic bleating about it mean’s nothing to me.
Hahaha
"Not unless someone could refute what I’ve said.
You certainly haven’t. Hahaha"
Only to a fucking ignoramus too stupid to understand; that would be you.
You’re delusional.
I challenge anyone to describe even one point of mine that’s been refuted. Be specific.
Nobody will fuckwit, you can’t either, because it hasn’t happened.
That’s why I’m pleased with the optics of this dialogue.
Wrong place.
So long as you are:
1) Stupid enough such that terms like "relevance" and "evidence" are but foggy concepts in your view, and
2) Further stupid enough that shouting "I WIN!" is sufficient to convince yourself,
Well, you get Nazi shits like Misek, and fortunately, but now, very few other such ignoramuses.
Prison camps prove people were kept alive, not simply killed and certainly the existence of prison camps don’t prove there was a holocaust. Lots of people who survived prison camps aren’t holocaust survivors.
I wonder what story you were told by this person. What did they actually say they actually witnessed?Where was their testimony actually recorded? What proof do they have? Of course you didn’t ask any of these questions did you? Neither does anyone else.
Allies “liberated” camps after months of bombing and met no resistance.The Germans had long left. So, why would they have let even one jew live before they left if their plan was extermination?
You boast of irrefutable evidence of a holocaust. The cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That’s the story we have all been told. Where is even one shred of irrefutable evidence of that? Present it here and now. If not, admit you’ve never seen any and that you can’t prove anything.
Paid and coerced testimony isn’t admissible in any legitimate court of justice or here either. Because people facing death, ruin, incarceration will say anything.
You replied in my thread so I’m going to put you on the spot.
Do you think anyone here has refuted anything I’ve said?
If so, describe it in detail. If not, admit it. Don’t mince words.
Cmon, make it good. Your silence speaks volumes.
Either the argument continues or it ends here with my points standing, all others refuted.
You lose this argument but are better off having seen if not recognized the truth.
“Either the argument continues or it ends here with my points standing, all others refuted.”
You’re full of shit. ‘Nuff said.
I refuted your lame attempt to refute my statements.
At this point you stand refuted.
Fuckwit, try to keep up.
The silence is deafening.
I’m pleased with the optics.
"I’m pleased with the optics."
Laughable.
You should be embarrassed that none of your bullshit claims has prompted anyone to waste time pointing out what a pathetic ignoramus you are.
Your claimed "rebuttal" of my actual rebuttal of your bullshit does nothing other than prove you are an ignoramus, incapable of understanding the terms "evidence" or "relevance", or several other logical terms.
Suffice to say, you are a slimy piece of anti-semitic pile of shit, so stupid to not be capable of understanding how stupid you are.
I’m proud to have demonstrated that I refuted your pathetic rebuttal while you continue to merely deny what you cannot refute.
This, your second miserably failed attempt to refute my statements will be cited as more evidence of the same.
I am pleased with these optics.
Rest assured that when the topic of terrorism comes up, your recorded advocacy of it here today will also be cited as proof of your pathetic character.
Hahaha.
You haven’t refuted anything I’ve said, nor can you cite anyone else doing so.
Therefore your claim that I have lied is itself a lie.
You really are too stupid to understand that aren’t you?
How many times have you claimed to have “muted”me?
You are the proven liar, Kol Nidre boy.
You demonstrate the use of that bigotry button so expertly.
The last time I ever saw an argument this fu@&ing stupid, some kid I went college with was trying to claim that the Egyptians, while fighting off dinosaurs - built Stonehenge, I never could decide if he was on drugs or just crazy.
He also denied any logic and facts, Claiming was in the right, because he was stubborn. It’s not a good look.
But as long as there’s people to mock you I’m all for letting you paint yourself as a moron.
You’re proud that you deny but haven’t tried to refute my statements. Hahaha
What makes you believe that to be true Kol Nidre boy?
Also noted for future reference is the cowardly cutting and running of other commenters here who can’t even summon the courage to recognize whether or not anyone has refuted the argument they are participating in.
On one hand they fear the wrath of the trolls.
On the other the immediate loss of their tenuous perception of credibility.
Poor bleating sheeple. Hahaha