Some Loudmouth Politicians Are Finally Wearing Out Their Welcome
Voters gave a cold shoulder to candidates endorsed by former President Donald Trump, and Los Angeles County voters gave the heave-ho to Sheriff Alex Villanueva.

In one typically funny Monty Python sketch, author Oscar Wilde walks into a drawing room and says something pithy to the Prince of Wales: "Your Highness, there is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." Bystanders laugh for an extended time in a sycophantic manner.
Wilde says something else and, again, he evokes laughter. Once again, Wilde says something similarly inane, but suddenly he faces stunned silence. The Python troupe apparently was poking fun at an incident in Wilde's career, but I thought of the skit in the context of Donald Trump and the midterms.
First, we have a former president who can think of nothing worse than not being talked about. Second, I'm reminded of how Trump continues to make, er, unusual comments that for years have evoked thunderous applause, but suddenly fewer people find them funny anymore. Something changed after the GOP's electoral flop.
After Trump gave his big speech on Tuesday, most networks and even Fox News downplayed the rambling talk. The New York Post—a reliably pro-Trump publication—featured this headline at the bottom of its front page: "Florida man makes announcement." Buried on Page 26, the Post published a brutal short item under the headline, "Been there, Don that."
"With just 720 days to go before the next election, a Florida retiree made the surprise announcement that he was running for president," the article explained. "Avid golfer Donald J. Trump kicked things off at Mar-a-Lago, his resort and classified-documents library." Ouch.
Perhaps Trump Fever finally has broken, which is encouraging after digesting the substance of his speech. He championed law-and-order themes that are inappropriate in a constitutional republic. He vowed to restore public safety by sending the military into cities even if cities don't want the "help."
Trump even touted China's model for handling drug dealers: "If you get caught dealing drugs, you have an immediate and quick trial. And by the end of the day, you're executed." Our Constitution assures due process for anyone accused of a crime. Only under totalitarianism can someone be accused of a crime, judged, and executed on the same day. That's childish posturing, not serious policy.
Nationally, Trump was the biggest loser on Election Day, even though he wasn't on the ballot. Fortunately, voters rebuked other politicians with a similarly un-American sense of justice. Los Angeles County voters gave the heave-ho to Sheriff Alex Villanueva. They chose former Long Beach Police Chief Robert Luna, who seems like a normal reform-oriented lawman, by a 60-percent to 40-percent margin.
Unlike Trump, Villanueva at least conceded defeat. But his concession speech contained all the whiny, self-focused blather we've come to expect. "Every adversity I've faced throughout my years in law enforcement has always propelled me to a bigger stage, a bigger audience and a bigger voice," he said. He certainly has a big voice, but perhaps voters had grown as tired of it as they've grown of Trump's.
As NBC News reported, Villanueva "blamed defeat on what he claimed was a sweeping misinformation campaign and the use of 'false narratives' focused on issues including alleged deputy gangs, his alleged resistance of oversight by the county and Civilian Oversight Commission and other allegations of internal harassment and retaliation against purported whistleblowers."
In April, Villanueva held a press conference where he pointed to a photo of a Los Angeles Times reporter and hinted that she may be a target in a criminal-leak investigation. He later relented, but instead of being observably concerned by the Times' reported allegations that "sheriff's officials attempted to cover up an incident in which a deputy knelt on the head of a handcuffed inmate for three minutes," he harangued the reporter.
Then there are the deputy-gangs allegations. Some deputies "have been accused of celebrating police brutality, intimidating and retaliating against fellow deputies, and running a shadow hierarchy that operates outside the chain of command," per LAist.
Deputy gangs undermine trust in law enforcement and could violate citizens' rights, but Villanueva calls them "cliques" and claims to have handled the problem. He defied subpoenas to testify and viewed the allegations as a political smear. He seemed unconcerned that some of his deputies may sport tattoos with alleged gang names such as Banditos and Executioners.
"I don't expect deputies to get tattoos of Hello Kitty," he said during a re-election kickoff event. "These are grown men and women and the tattoos they put on themselves. That's an expression of their First Amendment right." Wow.
Is it any wonder voters chose Luna, an outsider who has vowed to rid the department of gangs and insist on professional behavior? For a while, the public laughed at the tawdry things Villanueva and Trump have been saying about criminal justice. No more. The only thing better than watching them lose, however, is to watch better people take their place.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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So much time spent on people out of power. More than spent on people on power. Priorities here are clear.
Biden just said he wants to ban all semi automatics (yet another quote for you to deny Jeff)
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Reason writers should get down on their knees and suck Trump's cock. Trump averted, or at least delayed, massive gun control efforts, massive healthcare takeovers, and carbon tax/oversight on their lives, as well as the mass implementation of LGBT ideology like C16 in Canada, and gender pronouns, and the in general democrat creep towards socialism for responsibility, socialism for racism, socialism for class, and socialism in general.
Instead - zero gratitude. Fuck reason retards. All they care about is impulsive pleasure, drugs, and legalized prostitution. Fuck em!
Who gives a shit that Trump was offensive? He's not your friend. You're not having him over for dinner. You are not hanging out this weekend. Policy. That is what matters. Libertarian policy doesn't exist, because lets be honest, libertarian elected candidates don't exist. The only other party advocating for lower taxes, and less government oversight is republicans. Focus on the policy, not the mean tweets.
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You support the fascists, he does not.
Nonsense. Voting for the Miseks of this world would literally be "supporting fascists".
Trump has broken pretty much every writer here. Possibly beyond repair.
"(semi automatic bans) is slightly a bigger deal than bad man said mean words."
Not to our Democrat-adjacent Reason writers. Blue check principles trump libertarian ones everytime.
Does Mastodon have blue checks?
No. The closest thing is having your home account on one of the servers that does validation as part of sign-up. journa.host, for example. So, having that server in your home address is sort of like being validated.
You know who else would want blue Czechs? 😉
The d who rats are a criminal Marxist terror organization. They have to go.
good
A-2. Up yours, scumbag.
Not sure how replacing Biden with Trump would improve 2A policy.
Trump: ‘Take the guns first, go through due process second’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/
Fortunately, the president doesn't have enough personal power to make the views of the president determinative.
Only the Constitution matters (and, er, the Supreme Court...)
When reading this, I am getting flashbacks of this infamous 2016 Slate article, which assured their readers there's no chance at all of Trump becoming president.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/08/there-is-no-clinton-trump-horse-race.html
I would suggest that was before Trump was President. He wore out his welcome quickly, definitely by 2020. He not doing anything to warm his way into the American hearts now.
Then why worry about him so much?
That is where I am: Why is there such concentrated effort against a single man? I have never seen anything like this before. It is bizarre, and the scary part is the permanent loss of our individual rights with each coercive act by the government (i.e. FBI, DOJ, IRS) to destroy Orange Man Bad.
You burn public people down to instill fear in others. Mao, Stalin, mussolini, etc. They all did it. They need an example to instill fear.
Because the media gave Trump a billion dollars of unchallenged publicity in 2016. There is no reason that should be some requirement in future.
"Because the media gave Trump a billion dollars of unchallenged publicity in 2016..."
It takes nuclear-level STOOOPID to offer that bullshit, but the chicken-little JFree is certainly qualified.
the only reason they did it was to hurt him...
it was an in-kind donation to the dem party that backfired on them... .go figure!
Yeah, the "unchallenged" claim has to do with the lies they posted about him and none of the media would challenge another about them.
But this is JFree, so assume a heapin' helpin' of stupidity and dishonesty.
This horseshit trope again? Free media == trump mentioned in an article with no metric to whether it was positive or not.
Trump got approximately $40 trillion in free media between 2016 and 2020, and has probably received $10-50 million in free media from Reason alone. Overall, I'd estimate that since 2020, he’s probably been the recipient of $100 – $200 billion of free media. My hometown newspaper has an above the fold article about trump every single day. Every day. Every single day. Every day. All days. Every day.
So stop it with that.
This trump free media from journalists is the equivalent of that person who says, "you won't get another word from me. Not one more word. Nope, nothing but silence. See how it feels to not hear me talk. Not one single syllable from my lips. You can beg, but I will not utter a single word. I'll just sit here and you can wish all you want but not another word from me. Nope. Quiet from heron out. Zipped are my lips... "
Destroy? Why would Democrats and progressives give up the best thing that ever happened to them? How much would their fund-raising and activism drop off if the public decided Trump did not matter?
“…It is bizarre, and the scary part is the permanent loss of our individual rights with each coercive act by the government (i.e. FBI, DOJ, IRS) to destroy Orange Man Bad.”
The swamp critters are a jealous, money-grabbing and insecure lot; enough people read Trump's mean tweets and they might all lose their ride on the gravy train.
Now THAT is frightening, and they will fight with every once to avoid having to look for a job.
Hell, look at the TDS-addled asshole Greenhut here: if he can’t keep churning out orangemanbad, he’d have to learn what ‘journalism’ means and do some of it! The HORROR!
Why is there such concentrated effort against a single man?
The effort is not against him, it's for him. The Democrats desperately want him to be the Republican nominee in 2024.
Not buying 4D chess from the Ds.
It worked in the midterms...
Momentum. Democrats and their media allies have spent years trying to install an irrational fear in Democratic voters. Many have bought into their own propaganda. You can't shut that down quickly.
Then why worry about him so much?
Because the Democrats are scared of what will happen if Trump runs against
Brandonwhoever and Kamela in 2024.So now they think that if they report Trump has lost his political clout 24/7, he will loose some political clout. Think of it as the media (including Reason) using “positive visualization” to help their friends at the DNC.
Trump lost ground in the 2018 midterms, he personally lost the 2020 election, he lost the Georgia runoff for Republicans in 2020, and his candidates did poorly in the 2022 midterms. I don't think it is in error to report he is losing his clout.
So not a threat.
Every day the never-Trumpers write another article about why Trump is finished and has no more influence over the Republican party. He is finished, kaput, gone forever, and thus warrants no more recognition. Until tomorrow, when they all write another article regarding Trump and his political influence, or publish another poll showing that he leads Biden in 2024 Presidential polling.
It's truly pathetic.
Trump "wins" either way.
it is republicans who really should worry about him. he has the support to potentially win the nomination in the primaries, but it is the general elections he is poison in. the more he stays in the front of the republican party, the greater the chances the democrats gain more power. his involvement in the mid terms already prevented what should have been an easy flip of the senate.
It's actually like he's doing everything he can to piss everyone off at this point. Hell, he just ate dinner with Kanye and met with Nick Fuentes.
I'm starting to believe that Trump is simply the world's biggest troll with no other intent other than to fuck with everyone. There is no other way to explain his psychotic behavior.
Yep, ignore those results. It makes TDS so much more comforting.
What results are you talking about?
Well, gee, given that you must have been under a rock:
1) DeVos
2) Gorsuch
3) Kavanaugh
4) Ajit Pai, end net price fixing
5) Major reduction in the growth of regulations.
6) Dow +35%
7) Unemployment at 3.0% (!)
8) The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high
9) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate.
10) Withdrawal from Paris climate agreement.
11) Not sure about the tax reform; any "reform" that leaves me subsidizing Musk's customers is not what I hoped for. Let Musk run a company for once. But cutting taxes is good.
12) Pulled support for the $13 billion Hudson Tunnel project.
13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan
14) MIGHT have a deal to de-nuke NK.
15) Killed moonbeam’s choo-choo
16) Supported and signed First Step Act.
And finally:
17) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin'
Now, tell us why supposedly intelligent people are so juvenilely forcused on personality.
What does this have to do with my comment. You know, there were great things that Chairman Mao did too, doesn't mean he was a good person or should be supported.
Here's a thought, when your hero has dinner with an anti-Semite and proud Nazi, you may want to reevaluate your allegiance to him.
"What does this have to do with my comment. You know, there were great things that Chairman Mao did too, doesn’t mean he was a good person or should be supported."
You steaming pile of shit, did you post this to prove what an ignoramus you are?
Mao was a horrible person because he murdered millions; Trump may be an obnoxious personality, but he did more fro freedom that any POTUS for the last hundred years and TDS-addled assholes like you, that Bevis shit, Sullum and others are too fucking stupid to understand that.
"Here’s a thought, when your hero has dinner with an anti-Semite and proud Nazi, you may want to reevaluate your allegiance to him."
Oh noes: He had dinner with someone a steaming pile of shit fancies an anti-semite!
Here's a thought for you: Fuck off and die, steaming pile of shit.
Wait, you really think I was literally comparing Chairman Mao to Trump? It was a rhetorical example to show that bad people can do good things, but still not be worthy of support.
Did more for freedom over the last 100 years? First, Calvin Coolidge would like a word. Second, Trump didn't do anything for freedom of any consequence. I agree with many of your achievements that you posted about Trump, but nothing in them does anything about freedom.
And nice job trying to deflect the fact that Trump had dinner with a known (not one that I "fancies") anti-Semite. You also completely glossed over the avowed Nazi that was part of that dinner.
I know your go-to is calling everyone that doesn't believe in lock-step with you "steaming pile of leftist shit," but that ain't me. I don't like Trump because he gives us leftist control. And if you want to hold onto his sinking ship, have at it. But not being able to understand how a non-leftist might not like the guy is a problem you need to figure out.
"Wait, you really think I was literally comparing Chairman Mao to Trump? It was a rhetorical example to show that bad people can do good things, but still not be worthy of support."
Sure it was TDS-addled shitpile.
"What does this have to do with my comment. You know, there were great things that Chairman Mao did too, doesn’t mean he was a good person or should be supported."
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"Did more for freedom over the last 100 years? First, Calvin Coolidge would like a word."
Yep, just about 100 years ago.
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"Second, Trump didn’t do anything for freedom of any consequence. I agree with many of your achievements that you posted about Trump, but nothing in them does anything about freedom."
More than any other POTUS in about 100 years.
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"And nice job trying to deflect the fact that Trump had dinner with a known (not one that I “fancies”) anti-Semite. You also completely glossed over the avowed Nazi that was part of that"
Yes, he had dinner and the rest is, as normal for TDS-addled shits, lies - see below.
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"I know your go-to is calling everyone that doesn’t believe in lock-step with you “steaming pile of leftist shit,” but that ain’t me."
Never called you lefty, but your excuses work every bit as well as sarc's, and turds' claim not to be a lefty, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
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" I don’t like Trump because he gives us leftist control."
Fantasy of TDS-addled shit pile
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" But not being able to understand how a non-leftist might not like the guy is a problem you need to figure out."
It's called TDS, asshole.
“Wait, you really think I was literally chairman mao to trump?”
No. But you did say upthread that “trump and misek might get along famously.”
Low, dude. But if shitty analogies are your thing, you do you.
Your list is full of shit, Sevo.
3.0 UE? What do the capitalist pigs at Fortune say?
Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover
https://fortune.com/2021/01/11/us-economy-jobs-numbers-trump-compared-past-presidents-worst-record-since-hoover/
UE was 6.7% when the Dotard left in Jan 2021, idiot.
Your entire list is garbage. Even the two Aborto Freak justices are no friend of liberty.
You’re a Marxist pedophile. Kill yourself.
Weird that unemployment was high during authoritarian lefty lockdowns. Even weirder that you lie and blame it on Trump. What was unemployment before the lockdowns began? Steaming pile of lying lefty pedo turd.
Fatass Donnie’s True Legacy:
Worst four year GDP of any POTUS since Hoover at 1.6%.
Worst jobs record since Hoover.
Green-lit Iran’s nuclear weapons program
Increased deficit from half a trillion to $2.9 trillion
Increased spending more on a per cent basis than any President post ww2.
Failed on his signature campaign promise – a border wall
Inflamed tension with NATO allies
Hopped in bed with Putin, Little Kim and other dictators
Empowered Christian Fascists, Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis and other crazies.
Folded to labor on his anti-free trade Mexico-Canada pact
bungled pandemic response driving up stimulus costs
crushed the Republican Party – losing Congress and White House.
Wow, that nigga stank!
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. Turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled shit-pike and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If turd includes numbers, they are either outright lies or cherry-picked to prove the opposite of what turd claims
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Just read turds lies rather than simply pointing out that turd lies.
WOW! Those are a collection of whoppers only a turd-level TDS-addled shit would buy!
It's funny how you post a bogus list to challenge what you believe is a bogus list.
I love how stupid politics makes people.
Then why did Trump get 12 million MORE votes in 2020? If it had t been for illegal partisan court decisions and outright fraud he would have easily won.
Two days and no response to what I said. What a surprise.
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It's called "wishcasting".
The Ds need to realize that there is a righteous appetite for vengeance against them for the harm they've done to all of us. This vengeance will be fulfilled, one way or another.
One form of this vengeance could be another Trump term.
If they want to avoid another Trump term, they better start punishing groomers, pedos, child castrationists, political money laundering, and the other systemic and endemic sins of the Ds, just as hard as they punished grandma who walked in the capitol building peacefully on 1/6.
And now LA voters have Bass for mayor. Things are not getting uniformly better are they?
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I have long believed that the American people want a government that works and does so quietly. Occasional words of inspiration are appreciated but don't overdue the talk. And I have no use for whining. If you have complaints tell your priest, minister, rabbi or shrink I don't need to hear it. The President, Congress and the Courts were hired to run the government and there is no need for a running commentary.
Former President Trump is a good example, but I am just as sick and tire listening to a host of others, Senator Sanders, AOC, MTG, Cruz to name a few.
But you never mention them.
Accusing someone of never mentioning people he just mentioned is a hell of an argument.
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“I come unto ye to bring messages of Joy and Peace! Do NOT be confused by the lamestream media, nor by the Demon-craps, who speak of many strange wonders! They speak of many YUUGE lies, and of half-truths! Some say that I am the Son of God! Some say that I am the Son of Man! Some say that I am the Great White Father! Or the Great Pumpkin! Or the Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Father! But I am none of those things! I come to be before you, as an Humble Man, with MUCH bigness to my humbleness… You may simply call me the Chosen One! Even the lamestream media knows this! https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-49429661 The American voters, the REAL, legitimate voters… The NON-Demon-rat ones, have overwhelmingly chosen MEEE! THAT is why I am the Chosen One!”
He paused, momentarily, there on the top of the Mount of Olives, and of Pineapples, and of Anchovies, as thunderous applause deafened everyone for miles around. He tried to wave down the crowd, for silence. But in their jubilation, the crowd spontaneously broke out into a chant! “Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem”, they chanted, over and over, and yet over, again! Sensing their spiritual and bodily hungers, The Lord Trump discreetly ordered a single, solitary pizza and a basket full of anchovies, which arrived nearly instantly. Then The Lord Trump broke off pieces of pizza, and dished out the anchovies, which somehow managed to feed the crowd of five million!
With their hunger now sated, The Lord Trump was finally able to calm the masses, and silence their cheering, so that He could, once again, be heard. The Lord Trump spake once again, saying unto them, “Behold, now begins a time of troubles! The Dark Lord has bin bidin’ his time, which has now come! I will be swallowed up by the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, for 4 years of dark nights and troubled days, and I know, you will miss Me terribly! But then the Boulder of Voter Fraud will mysteriously be shoved aside, and I will emerge once more! Trust bigly in Me, but bigly JUST in Me!!!”
The Lord Trump waited for a long time, for the applause to die down, and then continued, “While I am gone, the Faithful shall honor Me on the last Thursday of each November, giving Thanks that I have shown Good Americans The Truth and The Way. You shall slay the Great Pumpkin, and eat of the Pumpkin Pie, saying, ‘This is the Body of The Lord Trump. Eat it with Joy and Gladness’. Then ye shall drink of the cranberry juice, saying. ‘This is the Blood of The Lord Trump. Drink it with Anticipation of the Defeat of the Forces of Evil, and of the Demon-rats’. This, do in honor of MEEE!”
The applause was overwhelming and unstoppable, so The Lord Trump escaped in His Helicopter, to the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, leaving the crowd to festering in the gathering stormy weather. There were no busses provided for the crowds, but that was OK by them, for they were full of Great Trumpsmas Joy!
Fuck off, spastic asshole.
Weird defense of a known leftist. The comment you cited is referring to his past comments. Not current.
I think you know this but felt compelled to respond for some reason. It is like shrike attacking the right 90%, defending biden 9%, then once every 1000 posts saying he doesn’t like democrats.
Are you dumb enough to think he isnt biased?
I will even add you've called many posters here trump cultists despite them throwing more criticism at trump and the GOP than M4E has even criticized the DNC. Weird defense.
Bevis is a TDS-addled shit-pile; take that into consideration.
Fuck off and die, Bevis.
Classic JesseBahnFuhrer bullshit here! Anyone who admires neither the TrumptatorShit OR the BidenFuhrer and Senator Bernie-ocialism? For the SIN of NOT Loving The TrumptatorShit, ANY such creature MUST be a Stalinist and a socialist!
"Former President Trump is a good example, but I am just as sick and tire listening to a host of others, Senator Sanders, AOC, MTG, Cruz to name a few." said "Moderation". For THIS, Moderation MUST be a socialist!
Where is your honesty and your BRAIN, JesseBahnFuhrer?
Fuck off, spastic asshole.
"If you have complaints tell your priest, minister, rabbi or shrink "
C'mon, man, you mean we shouldn't exercise our First Amendment right to "petition the Government for a redress of grievances?"
The Bible tells us that if we have a skin disease, the "fix" is to see our priest! https://www.biblestudytools.com/leviticus/13-9.html#:~:text=defiling%20skin%20disease.-,9%20%E2%80%9CWhen%20anyone%20has%20a%20defiling%20skin%20disease%2C%20they%20must,priest%20shall%20pronounce%20them%20unclean.
This is ALSO the reason why Government Almighty, today, is the fix for ALL of our problems!
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
I want a government that has so little work to do, I never hear about it.
The President, Congress, and the Courts aren't hired to continually, and quietly expand the government - they're hired to uphold the constitution, and limit the government they work in.
Too many "quiet" things have happened that have continually expanded government over-reach, and I appreciate Trump's loud-mouthed exposure of that corruption. We need running commentary about the corruption of government, election integrity, and abuses of our constitutional rights. At least until they stop fucking with us.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. And I would posit the 2020 and 2022 election results showed that impressively. People are sick and tired of the religious and reality TV nature that politics has become.
The problem is you now have so many extremists who think politics is religion and that they have to fight the demonic and evil opposing party.
I really hope the moderates are powerful enough to stop this horrendously partisan shift the country is making.
Moderates need to be more active voters and in particular in primaries. What we have is conservatives fearing a primary on the right and the progressives fearing a primary on the left. We need both conservatives and progressives fearing primary challenges from the middle.
Only way that works is to make moderate positions politically worthwhile. And in the world of hyper-partisanship, uttering a single moderate position will get you destroyed from within before even having a chance.
That's the biggest problem we face right now. No one wants moderates because we would rather have our religious extremes in order to "own" the other side.
I think we saw two people in the last two years that have resisted. They are Senator Manchin and Senator Sinema and despite the verbal abuse thrown at them they held firm for concessions. It can be done, and the moderate can come out ahead.
"Only way that works is to make moderate positions politically worthwhile..."
Yep, just row the boat through the swamp, not making any waves.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled pile of shit.
It's amazing how tired your responses are.
Do you ever come here and think, maybe I should mix it up a bit rather than being a crude Trump sycophant calling everyone lefty (or TDS addled) pieces of shit?
"Do you ever come here and think, maybe I should mix it up a bit rather than being a crude Trump sycophant calling everyone lefty (or TDS addled) pieces of shit?"
Do you ever think?
Do you even understand the depth of your derangement?
Do you ever wonder why people laugh at your idiocy?
Do you ever consider facts rather than your fantasies?
I don't suffer fools or TDS-addled shit-piles well; they get from me more than they are due, and you qualify twice. Eat shit and die.
I guess the answer is no. I’d say it’s time to mute you now.
"I guess the answer is no. I’d say it’s time to mute you now."
TDS-addled assholes really don't like being reminded of reality; fuck off and die.
I’m sick of your fellow travelers ruining this country. It would be just swell if you all got the Hell out.
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MyPillow Guy Punts Timeline for Trump Retaking Power as Conspiracy Theories Get Wackier
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/22/mike-lindell-still-in-trumps-good-graces-has-new-prediction-reinstatement-by-new-years/
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The only thing better than watching them lose, however, is to watch better people take their place.
Admittedly, Biden is better than Trump at fucking things up, but for those of us not big fans of starving to death in the dark and the cold, that's not a real big plus.
Yeah, I was wondering where the improvement to Trump is, as it is currently not the current President.
The whole article is too local for my tastes and only takes a national focus to attack Trump and Republicans. Since it's such a local thing I had to look up the guys to understand the issues. The accusations against Villanueva (admittedly from the ACLU) actually sound like he has allowed and protected abuse while reducing transparency. I couldn't find anything really about Luna, but my suspicion is that he's the sort of Soros backed official that Greenhut likes.
It would be nice if Reason would actually write articles about the thing that is newsworthy rather than taking a snippet of news and using it as a platform to write yet another Trump/right-wing smear piece. If they had any interest in honesty then AOC, Pelosi, Schumer, or just about any other Democrat would have been highlighted in this piece about loudmouth politicians.
People will stop paying attention to Trump and other loud mouths when most of us set aside tribal urges and emotional reasoning, when political parties abandon lowest common denominator politics, and when media producers put ethics ahead of agendas and profits. In other words, never.
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Big Media are capitalists, too. Believing that the people will stop consuming lies, when they clearly want lies, or that capitalists will stop providing lies to them, is naïve.
Having voters act like adults serves few politicians.
If only some supposedly libertarian web site would fire every fucking TDS-addled pile of shit writer...
Dtuff your TDS up your ass, Greenhut; your head wants company. And then do the world a favor; fuck off and die,
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Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
SQRLSY should definitely be euthanized.
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First, we have a former president who can think of nothing worse than not being talked about.
I've noticed a curious trend with sufferers of TDS, they all think they can read his mind.
They all, further, continue to talk and write about him, all the while claiming to know that's what he wants.
TDS could be far, far better if it were fatal, and assholes like this suffered a painful death as a result.
I would be very happy if all the leftists just fell over dead.
They can’t not talk about him. It’s hilarious.
Donald J. Trump kicked things off at Mar-a-Lago, his resort and classified-documents library."
That raid was literally a psy-op and the FBI even admitted it a few days ago but dont let that stop you.
A psy-op? Who are you, Alex Jones?
After asking nicely, asking nicely with a warrant, and asking directly with a warrant didn’t work, what should they have done? Just thrown up their hands and said, “Oh, well. Trump says no, so never mind. The rule of law doesn’t really matter.”.
If he had returned everything the first time he was asked (or even the first time the Archives got a warrant), the FBI would never have been involved.
When you don’t follow the law, things eventually escalate. He did this to himself.
"...When you don’t follow the law, things eventually escalate. He did this to himself."
We are to accept the interpretation of "the law" from a TDS-addled pile of shit.
Fuck off and die.
Then they admitted there was literally nothing in the documents they took.
It was all a psy-op, no question . A political stunt if you want to make it sound less alex-jonesy for you.
Stop lying Nelson. No one here is buying your idiotic pablum puking bullshit.
That’s not true. I’m sure shrike and a few others buy it.
Touché.
"...Trump even touted China's model for handling drug dealers: "If you get caught dealing drugs, you have an immediate and quick trial. And by the end of the day, you're executed."..."
Hey, TDS-addled shit! What did he DO?
Oh, I see, let's keep the focus on some hyperbole in a speech rather than polices and results.
Poor shit is hoping for a warm daddy figure who never upsets him...
"What did he do"
Shallow people only care about words. Policy and results don’t matter to them.
^This
it's literally "mean tweets" vs. "dementia". That's the entirety of political discourse the past few years. It's pathetic
Totally. Listening to people tell you what they think and who they are is so overrated. I like actions much better. You know, like having dinner with an avowed Nazi and very vocal anti-Semite. That sure gives me the warm fuzzies about the guy versus his virulently disgusting rhetoric.
I swear, Trump was right that he could murder someone in the street in broad daylight and would still have tons of supporters.
He’s posting about YOU, steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
I ain't the one defending a guy who just had a dinner and bull session with an anti-Semite and an avowed Nazi.
"I ain’t the one defending a guy who just had a dinner and bull session with an anti-Semite and an avowed Nazi."
One more TDS-addled pile of shit, lying to justify his TDS! Imagine my surprise.
Tell us again how Trump = Mao, asshole.
I see you deflected again from the reality of Trump. Well done!
No, there's no 'deflection' there at all; merely pointing out how far fucking TDS-addled whit-piles will warp facts to justify their disease and the harm your stupidity has caused.
Here’s the crux of the TDS-addled shit-piler’s whine:
Trump HAD DINNER with a guy who has admitted mental issues (“Kanye West opens up about his struggle with bipolar disorder: “It’s like a sprained brain”), and no, he’s not a self-professed Nazi, instead: “Report: Ye Has Fascination With Hitler, Wanted to Name Album After Nazi Leader”
[…]
“Ye, the rapper formerly known as Kanye West, has had a fascination with Adolf Hitler and reportedly wanted to name his “Ye” album after the Nazi leader, according to four sources who spoke with CNN…”
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/kanyewest-ye-hitler/2022/10/27/id/1093776/
Notice an anonymous CNN source! How much more reliable cand you get?
And Trump had DINNER WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!
Anyhow, this shit-pile, and others just like him, own droolin’ Joe; WE got what THEY deserve.
Eat shit and die a slow painful death, and have your grave marked so I know where to go take a piss.
Is he? I know nothing of Fuentes, and it’s difficult to learn the truth given how much the media lies and smears any non Marxist. Websites like Wikipedia are also compromised.
Because of the left’s lies, it’s hard to know the truth about a lot of things. Including this guy, whatever he is.
The guy's pretty avowed in his white supremacy beliefs.
It’s just so hard to to tell anymore. Because according to the left, anyone that doesn’t swallow their bullshit is an alt right white nationalist white supremacist.
That's probably why you're so reticent about making harsh judgements.
And yet the DNC sports a number of anti-semites and their rhetoric and policy are Nazi race based socialism and you can't muster the same hatred for the whole organization as you do one man. You are an enabler and your hypocritical standards are part of the problem.
Yeah, IS is a simplistic 'thinker' (if at all), willing to swallow headlines whole, and worth all the criticism he gets.
What are you talking about? I have never understood this simplistic, binary thinking. Just because I am able to see Trump for who he is doesn't mean I embrace what the left has been doing.
Why is it so hard for people like you to embrace nuance and leave aside tired tribalism responses that have no basis in reality?
That's not what they're paid for?
Ha ha, who would pay for that...
"Nationally, Trump was the biggest loser on Election Day"
A new Emerson College poll finds Trump has a 30 point lead over DeSantis
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/22/poll-donald-trump-holds-30-point-lead-over-2024-gop-primary-field/
TDS-addled shits are immune to facts and results; feelz and whining alone matter.
In fact, anti abortion extremism was the biggest loser on election day (in swing states and districts).
But GOP leaders, conservative groups and conservative media still refuse to acknowledge this fact, which I correctly predicted would occur since the day the SCOTUS decision striking down Roe v Wade was leaked).
Compared to the pro abortion extremism of the left.
I know of the support of women for abortion but then again, when you're overweight by at least a hundred pounds, with nose rings, green hair and tats, it would make sense that those types would or should never have to fear about wanting an abortion as what male in their right mind would ever think of mating with such a female in the first place unless he were drunk or paid to do so.
And polls have had such a great track record lately. It should be obvious, but the only polls that matter are the ones in the various Republican primaries. This does suggest it would be a good idea to start practicing the claims that the 2024 election was stolen.
Greenhut proclaims himself shallow and flighty by focusing on words and feelings and forgetting about policy. Unfortunately Greenhut is in the vast majority in this regard.
No, Greenhut and many other people are focusing on words because these candidates often lack policy that you can evaluate.
TDS-addled lefty pile of shit proves incapable of comprehension:
1) DeVos
2) Gorsuch
3) Kavanaugh
4) Ajit Pai, end net price fixing
5) Major reduction in the growth of regulations.
6) Dow +35%
7) Unemployment at 3.0% (!)
8) The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high
9) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate.
10) Withdrawal from Paris climate agreement.
11) Not sure about the tax reform; any "reform" that leaves me subsidizing Musk's customers is not what I hoped for. Let Musk run a company for once. But cutting taxes is good.
12) Pulled support for the $13 billion Hudson Tunnel project.
13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan
14) MIGHT have a deal to de-nuke NK.
15) Killed moonbeam’s choo-choo
16) Supported and signed First Step Act.
And finally:
17) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin'
To repeat, I did not vote for the guy; he's a blow-hard and a loose cannon, but by accident or design, he's doing better than any POTUS I can remember.
And TDS-addled assholes like idiotforever are not focus other than emotion.
Fuck off and dies, lefty shit.
Pretty pathetic as a list of successes for four years in the White House. The list of damages he accomplished during that period of time is much more impressive. But saying he did better than any other POTUS isn't saying much and doesn't take into account the negatives that go with those questionable positives.
"The list of damages he accomplished during that period of time is much more impressive."
Yeah, I see you've justified your TDS with an exhaustive list of such.
Not.
What list? He has one. You don’t. You’re just another leftist lying your ass off because the truth doesn’t back you up.
Exactly the point; guessing the TDS-addled shit-pile's list starts with:
1) Trump disturbed my wha!
And ends with
N=X) Trump disturbed my wha!
Notice, below, the asshole attributes the 1/6 protest to Trump, and by innuendo, suggests it was other than a protest.
This is not a rational person; one so afflicted with TDS needs to be treated as such:
Fuck off and die, MWAocdoc.
Sure! Here's my partial list:
1. Trade war with China that failed to "make trade fair" but destroyed small businesses in America and raised consumer prices for Americans while increasing the political tensions with China;
2. Failed to build the Border Wall or impact the flow of undocumented immigrants while still managing to spend billions of dollars on virtue signaling;
3. Negotiated an end to the war in Afghanistan while leaving his successor to clean up the mess he created there;
4. Failed to drain the swamp inside the Beltway while destroying what was left of the political party that got him elected President;
5. Failed to repeal any single socialist plank implemented by the DNC over eight decades during the two whole years that he had control of the House and the Senate;
6. Failed to cut spending during the two whole years that he had control of the House and the Senate.
I could go on but once people like you have made up your tiny minds that I suffer from TDS, there's no point.
Sure! Here’s my partial list:
"1. Trade war with China that failed to “make trade fair” but destroyed small businesses in America and raised consumer prices for Americans while increasing the political tensions with China;"
Not good on tariffs; given.
"2. Failed to build the Border Wall or impact the flow of undocumented immigrants while still managing to spend billions of dollars on virtue signaling;"
No harm done, stalled by swamp critters; fail
"3. Negotiated an end to the war in Afghanistan while leaving his successor to clean up the mess he created there;"
Bullshit; handed a plan to droolin' Joe which Joe ignored for a photo op; fail.
"4. Failed to drain the swamp inside the Beltway while destroying what was left of the political party that got him elected President;"
I see reading is a skill which you haven't yet learned: he did better than any for the last 100 years; fail.
"5. Failed to repeal any single socialist plank implemented by the DNC over eight decades during the two whole years that he had control of the House and the Senate;"
See above: 9) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate. Fail.
"6. Failed to cut spending during the two whole years that he had control of the House and the Senate."
Fail, see below.
"I could go on but once people like you have made up your tiny minds that I suffer from TDS, there’s no point."
You claimed he "caused harm", and your list includes exactly one instance of harm; tariffs. The rest is whining he didn't do enough, while ignoring that he was swimming up-stream against the Ds and the RINOS.
Go ahead and keep listing. As a TDS-addled shit-pile, I'm sure you will continue making as ass of yourself; it's sort of automatice.
Also some of your list is just fabricated or false. For example, the number of civilian Federal employees has gone up every year since at least 2014 so Trump didn't cut shit. https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R43590.pdf
Gee, I'm sorry I didn't save the cites, not knowing I'd end up dealing with TDS-addled shits for years.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I’m sure you can provide this list…
Pretty pathetic...The list of damages he accomplished during that period of time is much more impressive.
Then you should have this impressive list of quantifiable damages handy to back your assertion. I'll spot you his pushes for protectionism and bump-stock bans. What else do you have?
See above; he's whining that Trump didn't get enough cooperation from the swamp critters to drain the swamp!
'Shame on Trump!'; TDS-addled shit pile.
Yeah, the same leftist filth that stopped the wall from proceeding at every turn try this shit where they blame Trump for not building it.
Instead now, sleepy Joe has surrendered America's sovereignty over to the WEF,WHO and NWO . He has all but permanently damaged America's infrastructure by paralyzing oil, coal and gas production.
Very soon Americans will begin to feel what those in Europe are beginning to experience when the nights turn cold and dark.
Hell, his team can't even negotiate a contract with the rail workers union.
He has supported one of the worst dictators in Europe by handing over billions of American taxpayer's dollars and military aid to Zelensky and he has the nerve to call out Putin.
Then, there's FTX and SBF and we all know what went on there.
There is literally nothing to brag about with the Biden administration.
Idiocy. The US is more energy independent today than at any time 2016-2020.
Because we produce more energy. Natural gas leading the way.
More bullshit from Kiddie Raper. Yet your senile master Biden ran around the world begging our enemies to produce more oil.
Kill yourself you goddamn pedophile.
I'm going SEVO on your punk ass. A list.
Fatass Donnie’s True Legacy:
Worst four year GDP of any POTUS since Hoover at 1.6%.
Worst jobs record since Hoover.
Green-lit Iran’s nuclear weapons program
Increased deficit from half a trillion to $2.9 trillion
Increased spending more on a per cent basis than any President post ww2.
Failed on his signature campaign promise – a border wall
Inflamed tension with NATO allies
Hopped in bed with Putin, Little Kim and other dictators
Empowered Christian Fascists, Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis and other crazies.
Folded to labor on his anti-free trade Mexico-Canada pact
bungled pandemic response driving up stimulus costs
crushed the Republican Party – losing Congress and White House.
Wow, that nigga stank!
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
If turd includes numbers, they are cherry-picked to show the exact opposite of what turd claims.
turd is a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit, a kiddie diddler and a pathological liar.
turd lies; it's what turd does.
Ope, Trump was pretty good. And since you don’t deny your proven pedophilia, you should commit suicide.
Does "pedophilia" include intentionally clicking on links to CP?
Asking for a friend.
I agree, I didn't vote for Biden or Trump, both flawed Candidates. Yet the lies about Trump need to be called out. People hate Trump because the media has told so many lies about him. Was he bad or good? That will be seen, no president can be evaluated at the end of their administration. Only time tells how good or bad their Administration truly was. Yet I know my own life was much better under Trump than under Biden. I consider policy not personality. I had more freedom, more money, more savings and more rights under Trump than Biden. Period.
Or you could just listen to what Trump says without the scapegoat media to blame and you will see just how big of a piece of shit he is.
No, he was pretty good. And the best option we’ve had for awhile.
Didn't the horrible Covid lockdown happen "under" Trump's reign?
MSM aside, it is hard to simply ignore the fact that Trump told more proven lies to the American people than any other president in recorded history. (Part of that is undoubtedly due to the other presidents' lack of opportunity, but most of it has to do with Trump's "unusual" relationship with reality.)
Didn’t the horrible Covid lockdown happen “under” Trump’s reign?
yes. Instituted by state governors and mayors.
People like to leave that part out.
It wasn't "left out"; it was stated in response to the claim actually made by the OP. Indeed, the OP "left out" the single most significant "quality of life" factor during Trump's and Biden's presidencies.
Which was that his life was better "under Trump" than "under Biden".
"not communist" is all you need to say.
Don't worry Greenhut. There's enough Trump worship in these comments to power a small town.
And enough pathetic, alcohol fueled TDS from you to fill the comments for a thousand articles. You fucking rageaholic drunken shitweasel.
What's really sad about this is that most of us saw it coming a long time before January 6th. We told you so is a very bitter-sweet emotion. What's even more sad is that the ousted LA police chief, instead of being unusual, is typical of big city police chiefs over the last forty years or so. None of them have actual control of their police departments, and undermining trust in law enforcement is actually a good process and well deserved by even the non-criminal law enforcement officers, as they all support the unions that get sweetheart contracts for the membership and get them off when they commit crimes while on duty.
Most of us saw your TDS coming, along with the screaming about the protest on 1/6.
Got that list?
Interesting article--complete with background whistling in the dark. Like the 1928 election, Trump's single electoral win (w/losses in the other three votecounts) was another case of hayseeds, Trilbys and Ku-Klux collectivists irked at city slickers. Good news reported from Travis County, home to Austin, capital of Trumpanzee Texas. Libertarian candidates in that one county got a twentieth of Gary Johnson's law-changing 4 million votes. Four hundred more such counties and we win AND elect a top cat.
You’ve probably scared thousands of people away from ever voting LP over the course of your life. Did you know that?
Kudos to the good people of Los Angeles for ridding themselves of such a vile and corrupt sheriff. It’s a shame they couldn’t accomplish the same with the vile and corrupt D.A. George Gascon but the political machine inside the city government proved too corrupt and vile to allow such a vote to take place even though there were more than enough signatures to the petition. As for Trump, he appears to be wearing out his welcome. He needs to step aside, put his vanity to rest and allow someone else to take the reins.
Hey, MWAocdoc!
Oh, yes, you pathetic piece of shit, that list of damage is really convincing; why, it's almost like your list is "well, everybody knows!".
Just like "everybody knows" that largely peaceful protest turned into an insurrection when someone put their shoes on Pelosi's desk and that cop murdered that unarmed woman.
Stuff your TDS up your ass to keep your head company, and then make your familiy proud and the world a better place:
Fuck off and die.
I wonder what your epitaph will read, Scato?
"Fucked off and died"?
To be fair, a lot of people do need to fuck off and die. Especially democrats.
Some Loudmouth Politicians Are Finally Wearing Out Their Welcome
Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, AOC, Omar, yeah there are a lot of them!
I support this comment.
(Incomplete as it may be.)
Fatass Donnie's True Legacy:
Worst four year GDP of any POTUS since Hoover at 1.6%.
Worst jobs record since Hoover.
Green-lit Iran's nuclear weapons program
Increased deficit from half a trillion to $2.9 trillion
Increased spending more on a per cent basis than any President post ww2.
Failed on his signature campaign promise - a border wall
Inflamed tension with NATO allies
Hopped in bed with Putin, Little Kim and other dictators
Empowered Christian Fascists, Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis and other crazies.
Folded to labor on his anti-free trade Mexico-Canada pact
bungled pandemic response driving up stimulus costs
crushed the Republican Party - losing Congress and White House.
Wow, that nigga stank!
You sure can shovel the bullshit. Of course you have to be inherently deceptive to mask your pedophilia, don’t you?
Did your transition fail? You are one angry Trump cultist.
Something else has gone wrong for you.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Biden's GDP is worse. (recession)
His job record was great until Democrats shutdown the economy
Obama and BIden's supplied the money and rights to Iran's nukes
Congress increased the deficit with $5 trilion in covide relief
(To tackle the COVID-19 pandemic, national debt was increased by a further 18.01% totaling $4.25 trillion in additional debt from March 2020 to Jan 2021.) Democratic controlled Congress spent this money not Trump.
Trump built part of the wall, Democrats stopped him, and tore down what he build. Trump was not a Dictator like Biden.
Made NATO allies pay their fair share
Quelled hostiles with KIm and Putin that Biden has inflamed leading to European War and tensions in the far east.
Trump didn't inflame anything, the media did with lies. And you hate Christians, that says a lot about you. Typical radical left wing hater.
Protected jobs on Nafta and with tariffs, that Biden has kept.
Speed the development of vaccines and had less people die of Covid than Biden who had vaccines and therapies but bungled it by relying on masks and vaccines.
You hero Hillary lost the White House too, Biden will too.
Biden’s GDP is worse. (recession)
Trumps job record was great until Democrats shutdown the economy
Obama and BIden’s supplied the money and rights to Iran’s nukes Congress increased the deficit with $5 trilion in covide relief (To tackle the COVID-19 pandemic, national debt was increased by a further 18.01% totaling $4.25 trillion in additional debt from March 2020 to Jan 2021.) Democratic controlled Congress spent this money not Trump. The vote was veto proof.
Trump built part of the wall, Democrats stopped him, and tore down what he build. Trump was not a Dictator like Biden.
Made NATO allies pay their fair share Quelled hostiles with KIm and Putin that Biden has inflamed leading to European War and tensions in the far east.
Trump didn’t inflame anything, the media did with lies. And you hate Christians, that says a lot about you. Typical radical left wing hater.
Protected jobs US NAFTA stole and instituted tariffs, that Biden has kept. You hate Trump, support Biden yet hate Unions? LOL
Sped the development of vaccines and had less people die of Covid than under Biden who had vaccines and therapies but bungled it by relying on only ineffective masks and vaccines while banning effective therapies
. You hero Hillary lost the White House too, Biden will too. It happens. It is hard to beat the left wing media propaganda and lying machine.
THX for dealing with the pathological liar; everybody here knows turd lies; it's what he does.
“No more. The only thing better than watching them lose, however, is to watch better people take their place.”
Biden’s a big improvement. We’re so much better off with a cognitively challenged numbnut who sharply curtails US energy production and then goes to those paragons of civility, MBS and Maduro with hat in hand begging for some oil if they’ve got some to spare.
Greenhut, a presidential candidate can only be rationally evaluated within the context of his actions and ideas with respect to those of his opponent. If the alternative to one of America’s worst presidents, FDR, was Norman Thomas, would you applaud Roosevelt’s defeat?
Subverting democracy is pretty much rock bottom for an American president.
If subverting democracy is the criterion, then there are a lot of presidents down at the bottom of the rock pile. Using the FBI against political opponents and concocting insane stories about a president and Russian collusion to get FISA warrants is definitely not a way to support democracy.
Is it supporting or subverting democracy when election laws are changed, in several instances unconstitutionally, whose result is that cheating becomes undetectable? Note: I did not say that there was cheating, only that if it occurred, there was no way to know it.
I have little doubt that Trump lost the 2020 election. I have even less doubt that Biden is far worse than Trump. Remember, Trump is a bona fide loser and always has been. He is despised by the federal bureaucracy which made it impossible for him to get much done. Biden, on the other hand, is the tool of the Leftist/Bureaucracy complex and can implement terrible policies with an executive order.
If you doubt the existence of a Leftist Bureaucracy, bear in mind that both Holder and Bannon were found in contempt of Congress. Which one will end up in jail?
Biden is much more to be feared than a resurgent Trump.
Trump has to go but his replacement can't be just anyone.
"...Trump is a bona fide loser and always has been..."
Who has made millions and causes jealous TDS-addled shit-piles to post comments like this.
Trump's "fortune" was mainly from being a cringey reality TV host (and getting millions of gullible people to sign up to automatic transfers sending him money from the debit/credit cards).
Biden is senile. Trump is just stupid: Revolutionary War airports, hydrosonic missiles…
Do you doubt that during the Revolutionary War that the British attacked our airports using hydrosonic missiles?
a little
Then how do you account for the fact that, at the end of the Revolutionary War, not one single airport was left standing in the former colonies?
Exactly, and the Illuminati covered it up.
"Biden’s a big improvement.."
This is all you need to establish the credentials of a TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit.
Read the next line and then look up the meaning of the word "sarcasm"
Trying for both sides, TDS-addled shit?
So the lies and legal harassment are working.
DOJ Once Again Changes Trump Seizure Evidence List Dropping “Empty Classified Folders”, and Continues Refusing to Give President Trump Lawyers the Affidavit Used for Search Warrant
In a recent court filing [Document Here] President Trump through his legal counsel has requested Judge Cannon to un-redact and unseal the search warrant affidavit used as the predicate for the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago. Apparently, the DOJ have yet to provide President Trump with the constitutionally required predicate documents to support their search.
Additionally, the DOJ previously leaked to media about “empty folders with classified banners” as part of the evidence cache they collected. According to the filing the DOJ has since presented three different versions of their evidence collection list, with the most recent list dropping any claims of “two empty folders with classified banners.”
Whenever the news media fail in their duty to faithfully report and critically analyze any bit of news, ask yourself how we would view a particular policy, action or affront if China or Russia had done it, instead of the US government. Would it be viewed as protecting democracy? Or as harrassment and deplatforming of a leading opposition candidate?
Did you know that the embedded link to the document was omitted from your elegant copy-paste job?
(Which, by the way, appears to have come from the "Conservative Tree House", a well-known libertarian website...)
In any case, a court filing by the Trump "Dream Team" before a Trump-appointed District Judge, the same day oral arguments in the related Court of Appeal hearing went rather badly for them, is probably better understood as a desperate distraction.
Kind of like many “loudmouth libertarian writers”.
Ironically, those loudmouth libertarian writers have no problem with many forms of statism and abuses of power, as long as there is open borders, lots of sex, and lots of drugs.
Citations please, ye ultra-fascist authoritarian!
bone spur mushroom member elastic morals narcissistic bully surrounding himself with danglers, oh yeah, the greatest ever
And now Greenhut goes Both Sides.
Yes a cognitively impaired fool hiding in the basement that is also a cranky old man that yells “get off my lawn” when challenged with a hard question, yet ruins the economy is much more welcome by Reason.
AOC, Waters, Schiff...Shit pants Nadler and on and on..they are about "loudmouth" morons as possible Steve.
Love your take on Musk getting Pedos off Twitter and how the left and the "skettle color hair" brigade is freaking out...
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You really need to get centered in your happy place. Trump seems to be burrowed into your head man!
The Villanueva - Luna Election has more nuances than the article admits. Villanueva let his deputies play wack-a-mole and shoot-em-the-back with too many Mexicans. Villanueva is not Mexican. Mexicans are close to 40% of LA County. On the other hand Villanueva went after white collar criminals on the County Board of Supervisors, but white collar crimes by whites does not off-set killing Mexicans.
Luna, on the other hand, asserted that his role would be to support and cooeprate with the (criminals) on the Board, but no one really cares about government crime in Los Angeles -- county or city. Oh, to be sure, everyone running for office in the city screamed about government corruption, but none had any idea what to do about it. Of course not, the white collar criminals fund all the political campaigns. Thus, the lack of solutions is to be expected.
Sadly, AOC, Omar and their ilk were all re-elected. Disgusting.
I’d rather face a loudmouth liar than a sneaky one, though I like feeding both the truth that they can never refute and laughing when they choke.
As many here can attest to.
Nazi shit, I keep asking you to post the lies and innuendo you claim as evidence, so I can rub your face in it one more time, and this time, as I do with the reply to turd, I'll copy and save it so can rub your face in it every time you show up with the same damn lies.
So, put up or STFU, asshole.
Bots remain a mystery to Misek.
Trump would just yell FAKE NEWS!
As does honesty.
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Every time you’ve made that bluff, I’ve called it, and you always cut and run loser.
Sevo 13 hours ago
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You’re full of shit, nazi scumbag.
Oh, and I’m still waiting for your ‘evidence’ to take it apart and wipe your face in it.
And this time, I’ll save it to wipe your face in it every time you lie about not being called on your bullshit.
Reply
Rob Misek 35 mins ago
Everyone recognizes your empty bluff.
Like a cur you post your bluff days after the article has moved to the back pages.
That’s your new schtick.
“Rob Misek
You’ve made the same claim only weeks ago and reneged when I immediately gave you the opportunity you requested.
Now you repeat your loser bluff days after the article has moved to the back pages and the last comment was posted.
You’ve demonstrated yourself to be a troll. The next time you troll one of my recent posts as you always do, when other commentators are observing, I’ll repost the evidence that refutes the holocaust as told.
I’ll challenge you again to refute what I said and use this thread to prove for the umpteenth time that you’re a lying waste of skin.
Unlike your false claims, I’ll do it,
You do you. Be a troll.”
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Rob Misek 1 second ago
Proof of your lying character is in the fact that you’re participating in the Musk/Twitter article currently on the front page with 690 comments where my “evidence” remains unrefuted.
You have had nothing to wait for.
“Sevo 2 days ago
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Brandyshit deserves nothing other.
Reply “
https://reason.com/2022/10/27/yes-you-can-yell-fire-in-a-crowded-theater/?comments=true#comment-9768160
Here it is fuckwit. Unlike your lying wasted skin I’m a man of my word.
One thing is obvious, none of you have ever refuted the logic and science that I have provided to refute the bullshit holocaust story.
The following points refute key elements of the holocaust with logic and science. This is because all stories creating the holocaust narrative defy logic and science.
There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence. Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred.
The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That never happened.
Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.
And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.
Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish
survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school
Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of.
Are you willingly performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?
The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers.
The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
Are you performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe that the Red Cross were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% or 5,629,000 deaths?
Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.
According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.
Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.
If Germans had used gas engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though they had plenty of gas for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Which stupid lie is more believable? You have to perform some feeble mental gymnastics to buy that.
Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.
There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.
The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”.
David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
Actually, based on the dinner plans of Trump. Trump and Misek might actually get along fabulously.
The Gaslighting Gauleiter is at it again? SPRINGTIME the day after Thanksgiving, well I’ll be. At least now the thread’s MARCHING TO A FASTER PACE.
Oh look, Nazi posts his Nazi cut and paste screed. It's morbid, but fascinating watching people defend some of the most vile, disgusting, and putrid humans to ever infest the planet. But here you are you.
There is not sufficient language in the English vernacular to describe just how big of scummy piece of shit you are.
Thank you Nazi scum.
Unpacking that amount of lies and general bullshit will take aa bit of time, but I've got a weekend.
Expect a face-wipe soon.
Gee, looking at that wall of copy, it looked like Nazi shit would have dragged up more lies which would have required some serious research!
Nope. No pro at this, but it turns out to be not much better than nazi shot offered last time; a couple of factual claims, easily demolished, and the rest so much bullshit in one form or another:
1) “There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence.”
That’s a lie.
Contemporarily, there was ample evidence in carcasses, skeletons, other human remains, mounds of possessions, gold dentures, etc.
Even in 1994, comparisons cyanide ions remaining on the walls of buildings where Zyklon-B was used sparing as a fumigant and the walls of the cellars at Auschwitz shows drastic deltas: Institute for Forensic Research, Cracow: Post-Leuchter Report (archive.org)
“Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred>”
Irrelevance
“The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That never happened.”
Lie or possible attempt at sophistry; cyanide is the active ingredient in Zykln-B.
“Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.”
Bullshit. It is possible to die from contact, but the primary cause of death from Zyklon-B is ingestion of the gas containing the cyanide.
“And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.”
Irrelevant attempt to poison the well; not evidence.
“Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school”
Tio be honest, I haven’t head of this but as regards its evidence regarding the Holocaust, it says nothing at all; it is totally irrelevant,
“Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of”
Cite missing for YOUR claim, but:
“Allied forces knew about Holocaust two years before discovery of concentration camps, secret documents reveal”
[…]
“The Allied Powers were aware of the scale of the Jewish Holocaust two-and-a-half years earlier than is generally assumed, and had even prepared war crimes indictments against Adolf Hitler and his top Nazi commanders…”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html
“Are you willingly performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?”
OK, this goes beyond parody, and this represents the Nazi shit’s level of gullibility.
Simply, yes, the Nazis did NOT want to broadcast to the world that they were engaged in mass-murder, as the post war interrogations proved. If there’s ‘mental gymnastics’ here, Nazi shit just got a unanimous “1”.
“The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers”
Cite missing.
“The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
Are you performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe that the Red Cross were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% or 5,629,000 deaths?”
Is Nazi shit so gullible as to believe the Nazis would welcome the Red Cross to the death camps? Seems so. Value as “evidence” = zero
“Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.”
Arm-waving; see about for Zyklon-B concentrations. Value as “evidence” = zero
“According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.”
Arm-waving, Value as “evidence” = zero
“Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.”
One approximations, one number many assumptions, no support. Value as “evidence” = zero.
“If Germans had used gas engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though they had plenty of gas for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Which stupid lie is more believable? You have to perform some feeble mental gymnastics to buy that.”
More arm-waving, weak attempt at well poisoning, zero evidence.
“Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.”
Anti-sematic rant, followed by idiotic conspiracy theory; not anywhere close to “evidence”.
“There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.”
I’ll bet there were all sorts of letters which were embarrassing during WWII. Try finding some evidence
“The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”.
David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
Smells strongly of “DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!!”, but regardless, even if true, it is irrelevant to the question.
Stick your head in a gas oven and die, Nazi shit.
Saved it this time, Nazi shit; every time you lie about 'irrefutable evidence', you'll get it jammed in your face.
Sorry, should have cleaned it up first, but since Reason limits the edit time, it was better to correct it in the Word version to wipe your face in it many times in the future, shit-bag. Here ya go:
1) “There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence.”
That’s a lie.
Contemporarily, there was ample evidence in carcasses, skeletons, other human remains, mounds of possessions, gold dentures, etc.
Even in 1994, comparisons cyanide ions remaining on the walls of buildings where Zyklon-B was used sparing as a fumigant and the walls of the cellars at Auschwitz shows drastic deltas: Institute for Forensic Research, Cracow: Post-Leuchter Report (archive.org)
2) “Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred”
Irrelevance
3) “The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That never happened.”
Lie or possible attempt at sophistry; cyanide is the active ingredient in Zyklon-B.
4) “Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.”
Bullshit. It is possible to die from contact, but the primary cause of death from Zyklon-B is ingestion of the gas containing the cyanide.
5) “And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.”
Irrelevant attempt to poison the well; not evidence.
6) “Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school”
To be honest, I haven’t head of this but as regards its evidence regarding the Holocaust, it says nothing at all; it is totally irrelevant.
7) “Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of”
Cite missing for YOUR claim, but:
“Allied forces knew about Holocaust two years before discovery of concentration camps, secret documents reveal”
[…]
“The Allied Powers were aware of the scale of the Jewish Holocaust two-and-a-half years earlier than is generally assumed, and had even prepared war crimes indictments against Adolf Hitler and his top Nazi commanders…”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html
8) “Are you willingly performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?”
OK, this goes beyond parody, and this represents the Nazi shit’s level of gullibility.
Simply, yes, the Nazis did NOT want to broadcast to the world that they were engaged in mass-murder, as the post-war interrogations proved. If there’s ‘mental gymnastics’ here, Nazi shit just got a unanimous “1”.
9) “The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers”
Cite missing.
“The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
Are you performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe that the Red Cross were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% or 5,629,000 deaths?”
Is Nazi shit so gullible as to believe the Nazis would welcome the Red Cross to the death camps? Seems so. Value as “evidence” = zero
10) “Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.”
Arm-waving; see about for Zyklon-B concentrations. Value as “evidence” = zero
11) “According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.”
Arm-waving, Value as “evidence” = zero
12) “Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.”
One approximation, one number many assumptions, no support. Value as “evidence” = zero.
13) “If Germans had used gas engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though they had plenty of gas for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Which stupid lie is more believable? You have to perform some feeble mental gymnastics to buy that.”
More arm-waving, weak attempt at well poisoning, zero evidence.
14) “Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.”
Anti-sematic rant, followed by idiotic conspiracy theory; not anywhere close to “evidence”.
15) “There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.”
I’ll bet there were all sorts of letters which were embarrassing during WWII. Try finding some evidence
16) “The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”.
David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
Smells strongly of “DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!!”, but regardless, even if true, it is irrelevant to the question.
Stick your head in a gas oven and die, Nazi shit.
You have, perhaps, three or four factual claims; those which are not obviously lies are irrelevant. The rest is antisemite propaganda, innuendo and just plain bullshit.
Read it and weep, asshole.
I like feeding bleating sheeple the truth they never have and never will refute and laughing at you every time you choke.
Hahaha.
You vomit up some obscure author’s bullshit. The Holocaust is a proven fact a thousand times over. Plus, you want to exterminate the Jews yourself.
You’re a joke. The right doesn’t want you, the left doesn’t want you, and we sure as fuck don’t want you.
Why don’t you just commit suicide? You know it’s the right decision.
The guy defending Nazi torture and extermination of Jews is calling me a "sheeple." There is no greater irony.
Your ‘evidence’ doesn’t undo the mountains of real evidence presented at Nuremberg and so many other places. Your argument is backed by crap and not equal, or credible.
good
Nuremberg! Hahaha.
Harlan Fiske Stone, a member of the US supreme court, said Robert Jackson, the chief US prosecutor, was away "conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg". Not that Stone minded what was done to the Nazis, he just didn't want justice to be tainted by it in fraudulent trials.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2012/oct/26/nazi-shooting-nuremberg-international-justice
The irony is your total failure to recognize that proving that something didn’t happen is not the same as advocating it.
Your bigotry blinds you.
Yet is has been proven over and over again. Only Nazi anti-Semites like you latch on to out-of-context and straight up false information to gaslight people.
You really are a raging piece of shit and apparently don't even know it. How about, instead of pretending Nazis did good things you just come to grips with reality and admit you accept what they did to the Jews because you agree with doing the same thing to Jews.
Scumbag.
Nuremberg! Hahaha.
Misek should be executed too.
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You don’t think it matters that your reference has no credibility?
I have the entire weight of evidence from the allied forces at the end of the war and after, plus literally thousands of historians and related people. I also have a branch of my family that was largely sawed off by your Nazi pals back in the 40’s.
So fuck you, your crackpot references, you lies ,and your distortions. Just kill yourself.
You have propaganda and lies with ZERO physical evidence.
Your meme relies upon the intimidation of imprisonment for refuting it in EVERY nation it allegedly occurred.
You demonstrate the bigotry of your brethren who have been well paid for your lies and crimes against humanity.
I’m happy to share the truth that you will never refute.
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You have zero truth. You’re a deranged Nazi who lies and spews genocidal hatred towards Jews who are almost universally better people than you. Especially Netanyahu and Gal Gadot.
Amd my references are established sources with impeccable credibility. You are only backed up by Nazis.
Nuremberg! Hahaha
Based on your constant repetition of the Big Lie, you and Misek should be BFFs
Hahaha
I’ve called your bluff already loser.
Misek, beg our forgiveness, sign off, and end your own life. It will be the only decent thing you’ve done in your whole life.
It’s not worth it. Misek is completely divorced from reality and facts won’t change his mind.
See below, fuck-face; so much bullshit, so little needing anything like real research or thought.
TDS-addled shit-piles would accuse Trump of something, TDS-addled shit-pile.
Fuck off and die.
1) “ Even in 1994, comparisons cyanide ions remaining on the walls of buildings where Zyklon-B was used sparing as a fumigant and the walls of the cellars at Auschwitz shows drastic deltas:”
Do you realize that your quote is refuting the holocaust?
Are you saying that the lecter report was objective forensic analysis? Because it concluded that the holocaust couldn’t have occurred as told. It was written in the US where the holocaust is not alleged to have occurred and it is not a crime to deny it.
The “polish rebuttal” was never peer reviewed and was conducted in and by a nation in which concluding the holocaust never occurred is a crime punishable with imprisonment. Does that sound “objective” even to you?
A summary of this topic, for the brainwashed, is that the iron in zyklon b reacted with the brick turning it blue in the clothing fumigation but not the alleged homicidal gas chambers. That is a fact.
Leuchters report in the US was not allowed in the second trial of Ernst Zündel because the court ruled that it wasn’t forensic. Both trials in Canada in the 1980’s though initially convictions were subsequently overturned. He was eventually deported to Germany where merely denying the holocaust is a crime, and convicted of that.
The polish report simply found trace elements of cyanide in the bricks at the alleged homicidal chambers as would be found in all buildings in any camp using zyklon b for delousing. It never compared the amount differences ignoring the blue fumigation versus gray homicidal bricks as the direct result of repeated exposure to zyklon b in one versus the other.
There has been no objective peer reviewed forensic analysis conducted to resolve this issue because in Poland where the evidence exists, it is still illegal to do so.
What government will allow a government approved report to break a government approved law?
Your vague point (1) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 2)…
2) “irrelevance”
The fact that all evidence that refutes the holocaust is criminal in every nation where it allegedly occurred is relevant if you are accepting any evidence at all from those nations.
Refusing to consider evidence is the definition of bias and your conclusion that bias is irrelevant only demonstrates your disregard for justice and your bigotry.
Your statement (2) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 3)…
3) “ Lie or possible attempt at sophistry; cyanide is the active ingredient in Zyklon-B.”
Zyklon b was used all over Europe for decades before and during WW2 to kill lice that carried typhus. It is not evidence of a holocaust.
You haven’t refuted anything.
Your point (3) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 4)
4) “It is possible to die from contact, but the primary cause of death from Zyklon-B is ingestion of the gas containing the cyanide.”
According to the testimony of the so called survivor, the timing entering the chambers immediately, the details shirtless survivor, piles of bodies with unvented cyanide gas pockets in every space, death from repeated exposure as per testimony would have been necessary, not just possible.
Why don’t you try it?
Your claim (4) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 5)…
5)” Irrelevant attempt to poison the well; not evidence.”
It’s not irrelevant when the facts I’ve presented are irrefutable.
This is something that you deny and are failing miserably at refuting, as I am currently demonstrating.
Your statement (5) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 6)…
6)” To be honest, I haven’t head of this but as regards its evidence regarding the Holocaust, it says nothing at all; it is totally irrelevant.”
If you haven’t heard of it how the fuck can you refute it? Just because you’re ignorant of it, doesn’t make something irrelevant.
We’re starting to see your pattern here.
Your statement (6) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 7)…
7)” Cite missing for YOUR claim, but:
“Allied forces knew about Holocaust two years before discovery of concentration camps, secret documents reveal”
[…]
“The Allied Powers were aware of the scale of the Jewish Holocaust two-and-a-half years earlier than is generally assumed, and had even prepared war crimes indictments against Adolf Hitler and his top Nazi commanders…”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html”
Read your own link fuckwit.
It admits that “the world was learning about the holocaust” in 1941 as the result of allied propaganda.
I provided this cite to you years ago and you still haven’t refuted it.
Here it is again dummy.
“Looks like partial cremation retard sevo doesn’t want to try to refute the proof of lying shlomo.
Time to rub your nose in your amateur attempt to refute the proof that Germans were concerned about the lives of the prisoners in Aushwitz.
Here are some actual enigma decrypts from Bletchley park in 1942 when deaths were at their highest.
The link is to many more that share all kinds of Aushwitz details, absolutely no hint of any “extermination plan”.
Firstly the number of dead for the month are nowhere near what is necessary to support the holocaust narrative.
Secondly, notable is the concern over typhus deaths and the requests for medical supplies to treat.
Here
GPDD No’s.:- 194/199, 201/203, 205, 218, 219, 222/3, 226,
233, 236, 239, 240/2, 247.
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Covering the period 3rd Aug. 1942 – 25th Sept. 1942
A
further examination is made of Concentration Camp figures;
deaths from typhus have reached a very high figure in
AUSCHWITZ.
A suspected case of typhus is reported from
AUSCHWITZ (223b/42). It is probable that on the 6th August
Nachschubkdtr. Russland Mitte requests typhus vaccine for
50 men and spottenfever serum for 20
For the first time returns are given for deaths of
prisoners (223b/14,24,43,50): the figures for August are:
NIEDERHAGEN 21, AUSCHWITZ 6829 (or 6889) men, 1525 women;.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/hw16_65_zip_os2_27.9.42.html
Your point (7) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 8)…
8) “OK, this goes beyond parody, and this represents the Nazi shit’s level of gullibility.
Simply, yes, the Nazis did NOT want to broadcast to the world that they were engaged in mass-murder, as the post-war interrogations proved. If there’s ‘mental gymnastics’ here, Nazi shit just got a unanimous “1”.”
Yeah thanks for admitting that you think that Germany intentionally lost WW2 to cover up the holocaust. Hahaha
Nothing to refute here folks. That was easy. Moving on to 9)…
9)a)”Cite missing.”
Cite provided above. That was easy. Moving on to 9)b)…
9)b)”Is Nazi shit so gullible as to believe the Nazis would welcome the Red Cross to the death camps? Seems so. Value as “evidence” = zero”
The Red Criss kept records of their visits to all prison camps. Including Aushwitz.
Here is a summary of all recorded deaths. My point remains.
From: International
Red Cross, Arolsen
West Germany
http://www.renegadetribune.com/international-red-cross-report-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/
Your point (9) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 10)…
10)”Arm-waving; see about for Zyklon-B concentrations. Value as “evidence” = zero”
You have not attempted to refute my statement.
Your rhetoric (10) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 11)…
11)”Arm-waving, Value as “evidence” = zero”
It clearly demonstrates that the liars who concocted and told the holocaust story can’t get their lies straight. It is irrefutable evidence of Contradiction = lie.
Now you’re just being lazy.
Your feeble attempt 11) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 12)…
12)”One approximation, one number many assumptions, no support. Value as “evidence” = zero.”
One more fact that you haven’t refuted.
We all can see that you’re not even trying to refute what you deny.
Your pathetic attempt 12) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 13)…
13)”More arm-waving, weak attempt at well poisoning, zero evidence.”
More logic that you can’t/won’t refute.
Your pathetic attempt 13) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 14)…
14)”Anti-sematic rant, followed by idiotic conspiracy theory; not anywhere close to “evidence”.”
It’s a fact that demonstrates that Jews have a long history of falsely claiming holocausts and logically questions the statistical likelihood that this time after 166 lies that actually 6 million Jews did die.
That’s relevant.
Your pathetic attempt 14) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 15)…
15)”I’ll bet there were all sorts of letters which were embarrassing during WWII. Try finding some evidence”
Again, you aren’t refuting my statement. People have found the evidence. I’m sharing it. You’re denying but not refuting it.
Cite provided again.
Head of British Psychological Warfare Executive (Propaganda), Victor Cavendish-Bentick in a handwritten note, wrote on Aug 27th, 1943,
“We have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don’t we run the risk eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring the whole of our psychological warfare down with it? So isn’t it rather time now to let it drift off by itself and concentrate on other lines that we are running.”
Public Record Office Document F0371/34551 revealed by Stephen Mitford Goodson, ‘Inside the South African Reserve Bank’.
Your vague doubt (15) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to 16)…
16)”Smells strongly of “DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!!”, but regardless, even if true, it is irrelevant to the question.”
They are properly referenced quotes from Jewish leaders demonstrating that they had intended to create and force Germany into WW2.
That kind of evil is absolutely relevant when considering the character required to lie to the world about a holocaust for the 167 th time.
Yeah, it stinks. But it’s coming from you.
Your pathetic attempt 16) has been refuted. That was easy. Moving on to… that’s it you’re done.
I’ve demonstrated that you haven’t refuted any of my points.
I like feeding the irrefutable evidence of truth to bigots like you and laughing every time you choke.
Yes, I’m weeping. I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time. Hahaha.
Misek, you’ve been slapped down. Go away and commit suicide.
Got it; you simply deny the facts and move on.
Wasted enough time already, but we'll take one example:
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I posted:
"Smells strongly of “DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!!”, *but regardless, even if true, it is irrelevant to the question.*
You posted:
"They are properly referenced quotes from Jewish leaders demonstrating that they had intended to create and force Germany into WW2."
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Which in no way addresses the fact that they are irrelevant to the question.
Again, your "facts" are either lies or irrelevant, the rest is arm-waving or simply bullshit, and you are too fucking stupid to understand such logic.
You've had your face wiped in your lies, even if your intellect is entirely too limited to realize it.
Fuck off and die, Nazi shit.
Too lathered to read eh?
Hahaha.
"Too lathered to read eh?
Hahaha."
No, you’ve had your face wiped in your lies, even if your intellect is entirely too limited to realize it.
Fuck off and die, Nazi shit.
I’m pleased with the optics and will use this to demonstrate that you haven’t refuted anything I’ve said.
As usual.
I finally muted him. Just raving bullshit and obscure fringe ‘evidence’.
Hahaha. Fucking lying waste of skin has said that before.
Here’s hoping you keep your word and fuck off for good.
I won’t hold my breath.
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His posts were getting too long. Had to mute him.”
Promises promises. You’re a liar through and through.
Here is the Kol Nidre text. The holiest Jewish prayer on the holiest Jewish day. Clearly a plan to lie.
“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
I see Goebbels Jr. replied to me again. Was it short, or did he go off on another inane, fact free rant?
He should be put down like the diseased rodent he is.
"I’m pleased with the optics and will use this to demonstrate that you haven’t refuted anything I’ve said.
As usual.
Nazi shit declares victory!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UijhbHvxWrA
Since I missed all the fun here, may I throw in a "Fuck Off, Nazi!" just for sentimental reasons? 🙂
It’s about all Goebbels Jr. deserves. Or is he Eichmann Jr.? Either way, he can defiantly fuck off, and hopefully die.
Like birds of a feather you deny what you can’t refute and claim what you can’t prove. How can you recognize reality?
This is how I clearly and unambiguously ensure that what I say represents truth, reality.
I value the inalienable human right to free speech.
I value the supremacy of correctly applied logic and science in discerning and demonstrating truth aka reality.
I value the application of both in open debate to conclude and demonstrate that truth can never be refuted while untruths can be.
I commit that if what I say is ever refuted, I’ll never say it again.
Who else can honestly say this and back it up as I do?
Does this represent the character of your bogeyman?
I challenge you to describe how you or anyone else has refuted anything I’ve said and prove your claim with a link to the alleged conversation.
This is where all you lying, bleating, waste of skin trolls cut and run.
You can’t soar like eagles when you’re flying with turkeys.