Election 2020

Desperate To Stop Biden From Taking Office, Trump Suggests Military Intervention, Voting Machine Seizures, and Appointing Sidney Powell To Investigate Her Own Fraud Claims

The president's advisers reportedly pushed back vigorously against his ideas.

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Casting about for ways to prevent Joe Biden from taking office, Donald Trump reportedly has toyed with several outlandish proposals, including military intervention, the appointment of conspiracy monger Sidney Powell as a White House special counsel charged with investigating election fraud, and the federal seizure of voting machines as part of an attempt to back up her unsubstantiated claim that they were rigged to deny the president his rightful victory. Trump expressed interest in all of those tactics at a meeting on Friday, according to administration officials interviewed by The New York Times and Axios.

Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who participated in the meeting, suggested during a Newsmax interview last week that Trump "could take military capabilities," "place them" in swing states that Biden won, and "basically rerun an election in each of those states." Flynn said such a move is "not unprecedented" and complained about "these people out there talking about martial law" as if "it's something that we've never done." But he added that "I'm not calling for that," because "we have a constitutional process…that has to be followed." Trump "asked about" Flynn's idea during the meeting, the Times reports.

Trump also floated the idea of appointing Powell, a lawyer who has represented Flynn and assisted the Trump campaign, to investigate election irregularities. He suggested that Powell, who was at the meeting, could be given whatever security clearance would be required to help her find evidence that the election was stolen.

White House Counsel Pat Cipollone and Chief of Staff Mark Meadows "repeatedly and aggressively pushed back" against that proposal and Trump's other suggestions, the Times says, citing officials "briefed on the meeting." Cipollone and other advisers emphasized that "there was no constitutional authority" for the steps Trump described.

Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who participated in the meeting by phone, also opposed the idea of appointing Powell, with whom he has quarreled. Last month Giuliani and Jenna Ellis, the Trump campaign's senior legal adviser, declared that Powell, who a few days earlier had been presented as part of the "elite strike force team…working on behalf of the president and the campaign," was no longer representing either. But that semi-repudiation did not mean that Trump or Giuliani had rejected Powell's conspiracy theory, according to which Democratic election officials across the country used fraud-facilitating voting software to give Biden an edge, then resorted to wholesale paper ballot fraud when their initial plan did not work as expected.

The Times reports that Giuliani, while continuing to spurn Powell, has been urging the Department of Homeland Security to seize election machines from swing states in the hope of documenting a vast anti-Trump conspiracy he says is "easily provable." He "was told the department does not have the authority to do such a thing."

Axios reporter Jonathan Swan says "senior Trump administration officials…tell me that Trump is spending too much time with people they consider crackpots or conspiracy theorists and flirting with blatant abuses of power." One of his sources said "people who are concerned and nervous aren't the weak-kneed bureaucrats that we loathe." Rather, they are Trump appointees "who have endured arguably more insanity and mayhem than any administration officials in history."

Meanwhile, Fox News, apparently in response to a threatened defamation lawsuit by Smartmatic, one of the companies that Powell, Giuliani, and Trump have implicated in the alleged plot to steal the election, has been airing a segment debunking their claims during shows that have promoted them. The segment, which features an interview with voting technology expert Eddie Perez, aired during Lou Dobbs' Fox Business program on Friday night, during Jeanine Pirro's Fox News show last night, and during Maria Bartiromo's Fox News show this morning. While Fox News reporters have been skeptical of Trump's fraud claims since he began making them, Dobbs, Pirro, and Bartiromo have amplified them.

"They have no evidence to support their attacks on Smartmatic because there is no evidence," Smartmatic chief executive Antonio Mugica said last Monday, when the company sent legal notices to Fox News, Newsmax, and One America News Network. "This campaign was designed to defame Smartmatic and undermine legitimately conducted elections."

In the corrective Fox News piece, Perez, whom Dobbs described as "one of the leading authorities on open-source software for elections," said, "I have not seen any evidence that Smartmatic software was used to delete, change, alter anything related to vote tabulation." He noted that Smartmatic software was used only in Los Angeles County during the 2020 election and that the company is independent from Dominion Voting Systems, whose machines were used to process votes in 28 states. Dominion, which has threatened to sue Powell and the Trump campaign for defamation, also figures in their allegations of massive fraud. Perez debunked the idea that U.S. ballots were processed in foreign countries, another claim frequently made by Trump, Giuliani, and Powell.

In addition to describing the fraud claims as "baseless," Dominion noted that its machines "were used in 351 of 731 counties" in "10 key states" (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin). "In counties that used Dominion systems," it said, "Biden got 888,259 votes to Trump's 851,069. In counties that didn't use Dominion systems, Biden got 1.54 million votes to Trump's 1.52 million. In other words, if you eliminated every county that used Dominion systems, Biden still got more votes."

During last week's Senate hearing on election "irregularities," Christopher Krebs, who ran the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency until Trump fired him in a fit of pique on November 17, said claims about fraud-facilitating voting machines have no basis in fact. "The allegations being thrown around about manipulation of the equipment used in the election are baseless," Krebs testified. "These claims are not only inaccurate and 'technically incoherent,' according to 59 election security experts, but they are also dangerous and only serve to confuse, scare, and ultimately undermine confidence in the election. All authorities and elected officials in positions of power or influence have a duty to reinforce to the American people that these claims are false."

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  1. Desperate To Stop Biden From Taking Office, Trump Suggests Military Intervention, Voting Machine Seizures, and Appointing Sidney Powell To Investigate Her Own Fraud Claims
    The president’s advisers reportedly pushed back vigorously against his ideas.

    Even according to your own article, the headline is a blatant lie, a propagandistic attempt to badmouth the president.

    It’s disgusting what Reason has turned into.

    1. Fill me in. I’m coming as an independent who believes there is good cause to investigate voter fraud. I’m certainly not a fraud denier. Whether it gets Trump back in office or not, that’s beside the point. It’s a very dangerous thing to have. And I’m hearing a lot about the alleged call for military intervention. Please tell me what is really happening, particularly with that military intervention.

      1. You’ve heard A Call for interventionist from Flynn and one anonymous source.

        Whats your definition a lot?

        We call that narrative amplification by the news media to push a narrative which Sullum proudly joins in on.

        Missing is the fact that trump flatly denied it.

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        3. “We call that narrative amplification by the news media to push a narrative which Sullum proudly joins in on.”

          Or unabashed bullsh*t in more colloquial terms.

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      2. trump lost the election, and has been trying to figure out ever since how he can keep being president anyway….. this isn’t about fraud, they can’t provide any evidence of any fraud…… they want to fraudulently stay in the white house. they want to turn us into a dictatorship. until now, i always dismissed that kind of talk as hyperbolic, but it is accurate of current actions.

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      3. Trump has had the opportunity in many court cases to present solid evidence of voter fraud. To date, he has provided none. In the US, you can’t just overturn an election based on suspicion. You have to have some proof.

        1. Every lawsuit for fraud has been overturned on procedural issues not on the merits of the case.

          1. This is an out and out lie. Many of the lawsuits have dealt with the “merits” of the cases, including Judge Kenny’s ruling that found the affidavits provided in one of the Michigan cases to be mistaken understandings and that the testimony of of of Trump’s witnesses was “not credible”.

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    2. So you don’t believe the article, ok, but can you admit that if it was true, it would be a huge problem?

      1. “if it was true”

        Fake but accurate

        1. “So you don’t eat babies, ok, but can you admit that if it was true, it would be a huge problem?”

          Its like MollyGodiva Jeff is randomly trying every trick in his “Big Book of Demagoguery”.
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      2. How many sullied, debunked anonymous source based articles do you need to counter your preferred narrative?

        1. It is disturbing that you and so many others can not say “I think this is fake, but if it was real I would denounce it.”

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          2. Soundsoke you regarding all of the firsts and court battles to stop audits.

            Nobody here says the military should intervene dumbfuck. They shouldn’t.

            Now let’s here you discuss the anonymous sources that have been proven wrong often.

            1. “Nobody here says the military should intervene dumbfuck.”

              Speak for yourself, fascist! If Der TrumpenFuhrer takes us yet further towards third-world status, and away from peaceful transfers of power, and the US marshals are NOT enough to evict Der TrumpenFuhrer (and “loyal staff” and palace guard who are foolish and evil enough to be loyal to Trump instead of the USA Constitution) from the White house after January 20th… If it takes the USA military to evict the trespasser (Der TrumpenFuhrer) from the White House, so be it! Bring ON the END of the Trumptatorshit! The voters have spoken!

              Evil, power-greedy JesseSPAZ… You know, members of the military (I was an officer once) take an oath to defend the USA Constitution! NOT to defend Der TrumpenFuhrer! We ain’t there just yet, thank Government Almighty! USA troops WILL defend the USA Constitution if called upon to do so! Else we are condemned to Hell on Earth!

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              2. “Der TrumpenFuhrer takes”

                That kind of shit doesn’t help convince anyone.

                “and the US marshals are NOT enough to evict **** …. from the White house after January 20th”

                If it comes to that, it would more than likely be the Secret Service doing the evicting.

                The Secret Service would be the “palace guard” in that bit of absurdity. If you actually think anyone in the Secret Service would remain loyal to Trump after Jan 20th, I have a few bridges for sale…

                1. Sqrlsy’s not really trying to convince others because he’s mentally ill… which is pretty obvious.

                2. ” I have a few bridges for sale…”

                  A troll with too man bridges. Go figure.

                  1. Awww you tried bitch.

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                3. If the articles about how many Secret Service and Navy staff and families Biden molested were true, then there might be a surprising amount of loyalty to anyone and everyone else.

              3. You never served. Stop lying. I also doubt you ever attended a real college. Maybe some bullshit lefty travesty like Evergreen.

              4. I do /the whole election is a fraud when 3 parties are not allow to debate the 2 party system has place the united States in 33 trillion dollars of debt , they have attack very oath all pledge re-inventing the meaning of the bill of rights and Constitution,s both state and federal ,frankly because of [progressive ] regulation attachments ( Taxation ) upon everything one does though license we are not free we are slaves to debt with no divide allowed to separate the parasites who used color of law to attack / when you do not even own your property or right to process any thing do anything , without first asking someone permission then we are not free freedom is when you do not have to pay for it

          3. I think Santa Claus is fake, but if he were real I’d consider him a friend.

          4. If there really was a devil, I would oppose him or her!
            Make ya happy, MG?

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          5. It is dIStUrBiNg that you and so many others can not say “I won’t eat a baby, but if I would I’d ask for ketchup.”

            Fuck off and gaslight somewhere else, Jeff.

          6. What is “fake” about isn’t that the president may have discussed using the military, seizing voting machines, or appointing a special prosecutor; those are all reasonable things to discuss. Obviously, he didn’t do any of them, so he and his advisors concluded that those actions weren’t justified.

            What is fake about the article is the suggestion that the president is “desperate” or that he is pursuing some irrational, selfish agenda. More than half of voters believe that there was massive election interference and fraud and courts have mostly refused to even look at it, rejecting lawsuits not on merit or evidence, but on laches and standing. It’s perfectly rational for the president to consider his options.

            1. Do you believe these measures were discussed without at least some consideration, however remote, of enacting at least one? Not every contingency should be discussed. For example:

              “What is ‘fake’ about isn’t that the president may have discussed shooting nuns, eating infants, or bombing Canada; those are all reasonable things to discuss. Obviously, he didn’t do any of them, so he and his advisors concluded that those actions weren’t justified.”

              If a group of criminals are discovered to have discuss murdering their rivals or robbing a bank, police must consider the possibility that they might actually carry out a crime.

              1. God you fucking people are insane.

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              2. If a group of criminals are discovered to have discuss murdering their rivals or robbing a bank, police must consider the possibility that they might actually carry out a crime.

                I agree. But here we have some people making suggestions to the president of the United States. We don’t know what exactly those suggestions were, but there is no indication that they were suggesting illegal acts. We do know that the president rejected them, both privately and publicly.

                So, stop projecting your own insanity onto others.

                1. “We don’t know what exactly those suggestions were.” Yet you are fairly certain none were illegal, and you absolutely know the president would never enact any of them.

                  Insane? Like the people who know Obama was born in Kenya, think Comet Pizza sales child slaves, COVID is a hoax, or insist with no actionable evidence they can produce in court that the election was stolen?

                  Perhaps insane, but not so insane as that.

                  1. We aren’t discussing the validity or insanity of Trump’s election claims. You’re in the minority if you believe that there wasn’t substantial fraud in this election (and prior elections for that matter). The only real question is whether the fraud was sufficient to change the outcome.

                    In any case, here are discussing the validity or insanity of Sullum’s article, and the article is journalistic malpractice: it reports hearsay and anonymous sources as facts.

                    1. I must confess to amusement that even as you claim not only that substantial fraud tainted this election, but that the majority of Americans agree with you even as you criticize the author for his unsupported speculations.

                    2. I must confess to amusement that even as you claim not only that substantial fraud tainted this election

                      Substantial fraud taints every election.

                      but that the majority of Americans agree with you even as you criticize the author for his unsupported speculations.

                      According to recent polls, 70-80% of Republicans believe that there was enough fraud to change the outcome of the election and 30% of Democrats do so. Look it up and do the math.

                    3. Oh, and AuBricker, fools like you are easily amused apparently, even about serious matters.

          7. I’m more worried about all the real things that are horrific perpetrated by your fellow travelers and which you advocate.

      3. So you don’t believe the article, ok, but can you admit that if it was true, it would be a huge problem?

        No. If it was true, I’d be marching around it the streets blowing a celebration on my tin horn, toasting a welcome to our new orange overlord, and compiling a list of liberals to turn over to the God Emperor’s Secret Police.

        Hot dog!

        1. If it were true I would expect people to be hanging from lampposts shortly after confirmation.

          And assorted other unpleasantries.

          1. “And assorted other unpleasantries.”

            Agreed. Those swinging corpses should be removed promptly to minimize the stink. Just put their heads on a pike afterward to serve as a deterrent to their remaining brown shirt comrades.

      4. So you don’t believe the article, ok, but can you admit that if it was true, it would be a huge problem?

        What “it” are we talking about here? Can you fill in the blanks?

        “If ____ was true, it would be a huge problem because ____.”

        Then we can start having a discussion.

      5. So Biden is an agent of China. It may not be completely true, but if it were can you admit it is a serious problem so we should act as if it is true. Same for Kamala, same for Pelosi…

        Wow, this progressive journolisting is easy, now I just need to accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist for any denial of treason by those three.

        1. The democrat party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese Communist Party

    3. Not only are you right, it was Flynn, not Trump who brought up the military, but Sullum seems to be ignoring Left sites promoting Kentucky voter fraud elected McConnell at the same time they mock any idea of voter fraud brought up by the Right.

      1. Just like Trump has to pick his fights in certain states regarding massive democrat election fraud, democrats didnt risk election fraud in every election in every state.

        Democrats picked certain cities to be the battleground sites for election fraud where their fraud would carry the most weight.

        Austin democrats committing massive fraud wouldnt change Texas, so they didnt go all in like they did in wayne county and atlanta.

    4. Fire. Jacob. Sullum.

      Enough is enough already.

    5. I had always accessed Reason through libertarian.org, which is a libertarian new aggregator. They have removed Reason from their site for being “a bunch of communists” along with the Volokh Conspiracy replacing them with Newsmax and Revolver.

      Just as an aside, do they realize the lies, fake dossiers, illegal impeachments and all the other TDS stuff may be the reason Trump is a bit paranoid? I can’t blame Trump, the Democrats have made the situation what it is with their actions.

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    7. There’s more evidence of voter fraud than the claims in this article.

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    9. Not very libertarian to support an authoritarian.

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  2. Sullum is totally unhinged. Nothing but fake news in this article.

    It’s almost as if he knows the election was stolen so feels it necessary to blather on defending Biden.

    1. I will never understand a supposed libertarian magazine being against any and all audits in an election. Not one article about counties going to court to stop any audits in Maricopa? No discussion on the oddities of voting patterns at multiple nursing homes? One would think election integrity would be a libertarian cause. But not if Joe is the winner.

      1. Blame Trump and his allies who have repeatedly made allegations about election integrity that are, to be very charitable, half baked at best with regularity. Their credibility is shot. Given that, and that Trump has long before the election displayed a personality that makes it easy to believe he would say a lot of things to avoid being seen as a ‘loser’ and that the overall election results make fairly obvious intuitive sense it’s easy to see why so many people easily dismiss his and his allies claims. Indeed, one struggles to see why so many are straining to buy them at this point.

        1. “Blame Trump”

          Always always always someone else’s fault with you people.

          1. It’s Trump and his allies that have put forth so many (again, charitably) half baked ‘election was teh stolen’ theories.

            1. It would help if any of those theories had been investigated, or at least countered with something more than “nah, not a problem”

            2. It’s Trump

              It’s like this is literally the only answer you have for anything.

            3. Why are you so afraid of am investigation?

            4. It’s Trump and his allies that have put forth so many (again, charitably) half baked ‘election was teh stolen’ theories.

              You are in no position to evaluate the claims. none.

        2. You can dismiss all you want, but half the country doesn’t believe you. And with that many millions of people losing faith in the institution itself, you Democrats have a real problem on your hands.

          “election results make fairly obvious intuitive sense”
          We adopted election rules that have been BANNED in most of the western world since the 1970’s. To call that “obvious intuitive sense” is either disingenuous because you know you “won” by fraud, or you are a typical liberal utterly ignorant of history. Which is it? (btw, how many times did YOU vote?)

          1. It makes obvious intuitive sense that a candidate that barely won swing states last time and then, by his own admission faced election procedures unfavorable to his party, was outspent, faced media bias, etc., etc., etc., lost by more but not a lot.

            That’s the definition of obvious intuitive sense.

            You didn’t even understand the question, which is typical of Trump-lost-denialists.

          2. “We adopted election rules that have been BANNED in most of the western world since the 1970’s.”

            This is what I’m talking about…We’ve had similar voting procedures in many states for years and years, and in this year many states adopted similar procedures and *weren’t challenged* because Trump won them (see the Montana brief in the Texas case). It *reeks* of political opportunism.

            But your case is worse than that, even. Take a state like Texas which conservatives think has such excellent procedures….Biden *outperformed* Trump there (compared to Clinton) by *a higher percentage* than he did in many, if not all, of these states the Trump-lost-denialists are harping about.

            Face it, your cult leader *just…wasn’t…as…popular…with…others.*

            1. That’s a lot of words to just dodge my point (I noticed you didn’t even deny my point, e.g. Corsica, France 1975). You push half truths, like the duplicitous swamp creature that you are.

              The level of verification varied by state; some held lower standards for mail in voting than western nations since those practices were banned in the 1970’s. But you point to “other states” and declare “all” mail in voting secure.

              1. Not to mention the suppression of observers trying to view the vote counting process (in some cases, the suppression taking place with the full support of the legal institutions, like we saw in Pennsylvania, where the State Supreme Court overruled a lower court’s decision requiring observers to have meaningful access to the vote counting process).

                1. The election is flat out illegitimate. The democrmust now be made to lay for what they have done.

                  There will be no peace after the last four years, and because of this election.

        3. it’s easy to see why so many people easily dismiss his and his allies claims.

          Indeed, but that does not mean the claims should not be investigated.

        4. Blame Trump and his allies who have repeatedly made allegations about election integrity that are, to be very charitable, half baked at best with regularity.

          How about we blame Democrats who were claiming for most of 2020 that the election was going to be rigged and were discussing using unconstitutional and/or violent procedures to get the outcome they wanted? But as soon as the counts flipped, Democrats flipped and started proclaiming that this election was utterly flawless.

          Trump has long before the election displayed a personality that makes it easy to believe he would say a lot of things to avoid being seen as a ‘loser’

          Sorry, that’s not Trump. Trump doesn’t like to lose, but his presidency isn’t an ego trip; Trump could have easily retired in wealth and peace, instead of spending down his wealth and subjecting himself to four years of abuse. Trump is president (and people voted for him) because Harris/Biden and the Democrats are going to be truly awful for the country.

          For Harris/Biden, on the other hand, it’s not about the country, it really is about ego, power, and personal wealth.

          1. Trump is another shill of the uniparty playing his prescribed role. I mean, today I read about him downplaying the severity of the SolarWinds hack, which any clever president could try to link to election integrity. Instead, he says it wasn’t that bad of a hack.

            He’s in on it. He’s in chinas pocket like everyone else.

            1. I have no ideas whether the SolarWinds hack was serious or not, and frankly neither do you. Right now, I observe that it is overwhelmingly reported by progressive outlets, suggesting that it is more about politics than fact.

              The president isn’t a “uniparty shill”, that much is clear. And it is likely that you are a progressive shill with the crap you write.

      2. Georgia did a full audit (at Georgia tax payer’s expense) and a hand count (at Georgia tax payer’s expense). No issues found with the result from the voting machine. (though the audit found 3 voting districts that didn’t turn in the ballots – net gain of about 2000 for tRump). If there was voter Fraud in Georgia, it had to have happened before the ballots were counted.
        I can tell you that the voting machines were spot checked in other places. Run 1000 ballots through and make sure the totals are exactly what you expect. Mini audits if you will.
        Also, the totals were matched against the totals from the polling places and the accepted mail in ballots. Call that a double check.
        That was done everywhere (most of the states even published those numbers).

        However, if you are stuck on “there must have been massive fraud” then those audits are not good enough for you … Perhaps no audit would be. For some, if the audit doesn’t match the narrative, the audit must be wrong because we know the narrative is right.

        1. I think the Georgia issue was the truck full of ballots allegedly brought into the facility where the observers had been kicked out due to a made up plumbing emergency. So if a few hundreds of thousands of ballots (99.9% for Biden and 0.01% unreadable) were brought in during the night, with no oversight, and added to the existing ballots, the audit of how votes were later counted is meaningless, in this context. The legal pursuit of the Republicans (some of them, anyway) in Georgia seems to focus on that one truckload that came in after the election workers and observers were sent home for the night. I understand that the election folks were unable (or unwilling) to provide the footage, but there was a separate set of surveillance cameras in the building, of which they didn’t know, so the late night delivery is on video. The legality to use that footage in a courtroom is going through the legal fights now.

          1. Georgia (fulton county) had multiple illegal issues.

            Georgia requires election workers doing election work in public.
            Georgia law requires signatures on absentee ballots be compared.
            Georgia law bans current felons under state custody from voting.
            Georgia law bans non residents from voting.
            Georgia law bans non county residents from voting in their old counties.
            Georgia law bans early opening of absentee ballots.
            Georgia law bans ballot harvesting.

            This led to 50k+ Illegal ballots being counted.

            1. Do you have anything other than an ipse dixit assertion for that 50,000+ figure?

              1. You misused “ipse dixit” bitch. He cited the fucking laws violated in the counting of those 50k+ ballots.

        2. Georgia did a full audit (at Georgia tax payer’s expense) and a hand count (at Georgia tax payer’s expense). No issues found with the result from the voting machine.

          Common means of fraud in this election were likely hand adjudication of ballots rejected by the machines, in which case the adjudicator would manually fill in a new ballot, and illegal voting. Neither of those would be detected by an audit or a hand count.

          So, while those audits could have detected some forms of fraud, the fact that they didn’t isn’t proof of the absence of fraud.

          Chain of custody, counting procedures, and ballot adjudication were so haphazard that we really can’t have any trust in the integrity of these elections. A careful forensic analysis may still detect some forms of fraud, but in the end, we will never know how much fraud there was in this election.

          This isn’t anything new; past elections were just as bad. And this needs to change. Sadly, Democrats keep refusing to do what is necessary, and instead actually create more and more opportunities for fraud.

          1. They found thousands of missing votes on memory cards that were conveniently not counted originally through both of those recounts, many for Trump, but confused is a disingenuous fuck so he doesn’t see anything wrong with that.

            And don’t get me started on the absolute stupidity of doing an audit without a proper chain of custody or segregation of the questionable ballots.

            1. Every new count of georgia ballots leads to biden losing legal votes.

              That tells you that biden vote counts are artificially high.

              In 2016 election challenges, Trump gained legal votes. In 2020, trump gains a fee legal votes and biden losses thousands of illegal votes.

              1. Why prolong the inevitable. At least with Biden it’s quick and painless.

          2. Sadly, Democrats keep refusing to do what is necessary, and instead actually create more and more opportunities for fraud.

            Exactly. Recounting the votes was meaningless when the validity of the votes being counted, and each ‘voter’, is not able to be checked.

      3. Where did Reason say there should not be any audits?

        1. No, that’s too much even for a shithead like you, sarcamic.

        2. According to the commies at unreason, biden “won”. All constitutional challenges of this election are sedition.

  3. The most popular Democratic candidate in history only won 17% of the counties nationwide.

    1. So what? We don’t elect presidents based on counties. More then 50% of the US population lives in 4.6% of counties.

      1. Thanks for the reply. When Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, they said it doesn’t matter the EC is what is important. Now Joe Biden wins the popular vote and the EC and they say well what about the counties?

        1. they said it doesn’t matter the EC is what is important.”

          Actually, that was the Constitution.

          1. That pesky document.

          2. I agree the EC is in the Constitution. It is the actual mechanism to select the President. What I find amazing is the search for something to justify that Trump is actually popular and coming up with counties. The fact is millions voted for him, but that doesn’t change the fact that millions more voted for Joe Biden and that he won 306 Electoral College votes.

            1. It is worse then that. Their mind set is traced directly back to the days when only white male land owners could vote.

              1. And he goes full retard.

              2. Yeah, that national-populist, central-bank hating, executive-authority asserting Andrew Jackson opening up voting to non-property owning white males was the first leak in the dam.

                1. I do like that Jackson came to your mind unbidden.

                  1. Historical literacy FTW

                  2. “unbidden”

                    Hi you’re fucking stupid so let me help

                    “the days when only white male land owners could vote.”

                    “Andrew Jackson opening up voting to non-property owning white males”

                    1. I love it when people casting insults don’t know what the conversation is about.

                      My point is, if you’re claiming Andrew Jackson, well, that speaks volumes…

                    2. And his point is it wasn’t unbidden you nonce.

                  3. Try reading a book that doesn’t require Imagine Ink to finish, or is about teenage wizards, and you might be more literate and historically knowledgeable as well.

            2. “What I find amazing”

              Cool.

            3. It wasn’t a search. It was one of many election inconsistencies this election. Even Obama got over 40% of counties sweetie.

              1. In 2008 Obama won a record low 28% of the counties. In 2012 he won only 22%. Joe Biden win of 17% showing a trend of smaller number of counties but larger wins in those counties. Nothing really inconsistent. As pointed out earlier in this thread over 50% of the population lives in less than 5% of the counties in this country.

                1. Don’t expect him to be deterred by the flat wrongness of his assertion. Don’t retreat, reload is the mindset.

                  1. So democrats are hated by most of the country.

                    1. No, let’s address this first, sweetie. What you said was a flat out lie or wrong. Admit it.

                      “Even Obama got over 40% of counties sweetie.”

                      https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna50073771

            4. The difference in Pa, Ga and Wi is less than 100,000 votes.

      2. That’s where your fraud occurred.

        1. And yet about 50 court cases have failed to prove any of this fraud.

          1. Luckily, 3 SCOTUS court cases and WI supreme court win can be all it takes.

            Democrats dont understand that this gets cases to the SCOTUS faster. Trump, doesnt want a trial judge on PA hearing an election case for 6 months.

            1. It´s over. Scores of courts have denied relief, including SCOTUS in an original jurisdiction action. The EC has voted, and those votes will be counted on January 6.

              Do you have any idea how pathetic you are?

          2. would that the be the court cases that heard no evidence and dismissed the cases based on standing?

            1. You are mistaken about that. Many of the cases were tossed after a judge concluded, after a hearing, that there was no coherent case.

              1. Any many were not. There have been multiple instances of decisions based on lateness, lack of standing, etc.

                Of the others, one was decided based on the fact that the law doesn’t require that observers be withing a certain distance, and therefore it doesn’t matter that they were required to be about 50 feet (I think? picture of observer with binoculars is easily found though) away were they couldn’t reasonably observer anything. If you think that’s a reasonable decision, I have some property in the everglades to sell you…

                And the argument that “There were a nonzero number of observers” and there for no problem is also junk. A large room with 50 counters and 1 observer is a problem, and that does not prove that they weren’t keeping out legitimate observers. The purpose of the law was to allow them to observe and make sure the process was fair. That distance makes it impossible to reasonably observe.

                I’m not sure what came of the video of someone surreptitiously removing what looks like a flash drive. Purely coincidentally, one of the people involved in that was also involved with the counting after observers were gone. Is it insane to speculate that they removed enough votes to make room for the pro-biden votes they set aside and counted later?

      3. Yes and cancer is the second leading cause of second hand smokers. So?

      4. That’s probably a good thing. Keep you locust contained to a few urban hell holes while us enlightened Republicans run most of the country.

    2. This is a good example of the kind of very silly arguments Trump-lost-denialists make, and why people are dismissing them out of hand. Winning empty rural counties means…squat. It’s the kind of argument made to win over simplistic people.

      1. LOL “Queen” Amalthea doesn’t know how the electoral college works!

        1. It’s another of Jeff’s sockpuppets.

          1. Well, Jeff is stupid, and not American, so…….

      2. Honeybuns, we don’t live in a dictatorship, we live in a voluntary and free union. Areas of the country that don’t feel represented by the federal government may eventually decide to secede.

    3. Ok, no b.s.,
      I need some advice. I am thinking about joining the LP, but I am conflicted. I am thirty years old, married with kids veteran, voted Republican in 2016 for Trump, but I dropped my party affiliation soon after. It wasn’t about Trump, I mostly think he was good for the country, except I hate the feckless nature of Republicans, how they never actually move to limit government power, never push back against blatant violations of the Constitution (especially 1A and 2A). I do not think Trump is perfect though. His banning of bump stocks was especially a slap in the face. They seem to offer token resistence then when they are pushed back, they just redraw the line in the samd. Much like the NRA actually. I hate their religious virtue signaling. For example their new bill on “sex trafficking” really pisses me off, but that is a bipartisan issue so there’s that. I also though, despise the SJW and racial greivance games of the left.Because I of my first hand experience in OEF, I am anti-*useless* war but am pro-strong military and American exceptionalism. I am for secure borders but am not anti-immigration, just I recognize the negative effects that too much immigration has on depressing wages (I’m married to a non-white immigrant).

      This election though has really set me off. I have never had more contempt for our government, all of it. I do believe that this election was subverted and would support the MAGA platform, but I hate the moralizing aspect of it and the ambivalance towards ever increasing Federal power. I also do not like the extreme anti-legal immigration rhetoric. If they started a new party, I want to believe in it, but I really don’t.

      I do believe in some government regulation as I have seen what corporate lobbying is doing to this country.

      The LP however from what I’ve noticed, to put it bluntly, is pathetic. Jorgenson’s virtue signaling really rubbed me the wrong way and Gary Johnson was an embarassment. I also have been reading up about “left-libertarianism” and I am not a fan. I notice some of the authors and commenters here would fall into that. I won’t support the destruction of the right to the means of production or any other Marxist garbage.

      I also lookes into the Constitution party, I agree with most of the platform, but the religious undertones lead me to suspect that they will just be authoritarians.

      So my question again, is it worth supporting the Libertarian Party, is there any future there? I just feel like there isn’t any place for me politically. It sucks.

      Tl;dr – As a socially liberal, fiscally conservative jaded individual, is it worth time investing in the LP, even though the recent canidates have been hogwash?

      1. Libertarian Party Platform: https://www.lp.org/platform/

      2. I’ve been voting Libertarian since Harry Browne. Rs and Ds were interchangeable in my view. At age 64 I voted for a Republican for the first time in my life. Trump. Because he was the closest thing to a libertarian I had ever seen in an actually viable candidate. If Trump runs in 2024 I’ll vote for him. Otherwise I doubt I’ll ever vote in a presidential election again. The Libertarian party will never be a significant factor, the Democrats are a real threat to liberty and the Republicans are useless and corrupt. Won’t presume to tell you what path to take but the Libertarians are no better than none of the above.

      3. Read the essays linked from the bottom of this page:

        http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/political.html

        They were written by me early this century, after I’d been active in the LP for decades previously. I wrote them trying to dissuade anyone from ever getting involved with LP, and encouraging everyone in it to quit. It was a bad idea for libertarians in the USA to have their own political party, but it took years of experience to prove it.

      4. Where do you live? For me, in Maryland, I vote Republican locally and LP nationally for the most part. I’ll take a Larry Hogan over a Ben Jealous even though Larry is a piece of shit Bill Weld type conservative. But all that said, I focus my efforts into organizations like the Institute for Justice, as they come away with wins for libertarians at the end of the day.

    4. Just the counties with poeple living in them. 80 million votes worth.
      I mean bitching about people talking about popular vote and you throw up the county vote? Shall every county in the USA get exactly 1 vote? Ridiculous!

      1. We aren’t living in a dictatorship; our government exists with the consent of the governed. If the concerns of LA, SF, DC, and NY become dominant at the federal level, much of the country may simply withdraw its consent to being governed by those people and the country breaks apart.

      2. Fuck off Queen Amalthea.

    5. So?

      1. 12th amendment here we come.

        1. I hope you’re right. If it happens, be ready. The progs will be a hundred times more violent than they have been so far?

        2. Yes, I remember how the 12th Amendment has that clause that says if a candidate wins more counties than any candidate has in the past it throws the election to the Senate GOP caucus.

  4. Sullum’s tirades continue. Does anyone read them?

    1. No, most people just skip to the comments so they can make fun of him. He’s basically become the court jester here at Reason.

      1. “Most people” meaning fellow members of the pro-Trump clique, which isn’t in fact most people here.

        1. Piss off sarc.
          You and Jeff running 14 or 15 sockpuppets still doesn’t put you in the majority.

          1. I think it’s obvious to anyone with a brain that the only entity running 14 or 15 sockpuppets is you. Fuck off, Tulpa.

        2. I’m sort of with you, as well as with Gaear, but I’m not sure why you are so worried about social conservatism. The rhetoric may be annoying, but it is not an active threat to your freedom. The evangelical right doesn’t want to impose its religion on you by force, and is mostly fighting a defensive culture war at the moment. In terms of policy, other than making it harder for you to get an abortion (although, based on your political stances, you likely identify as a male with XY chromosomes, so this shouldn’t affect you directly). Whereas the left wants to impose its Bolshevism on you at gunpoint. We need all non-marxists to unite now, to stave off the Bolshevik threat, then we can argue all we want about the finer points of the non aggression principle.

          1. “I’m not sure why you are so worried about social conservatism”

            I’m not personally concerned. I’m pretty conservative in my personal life. I am concerned about President and power worshippers, and we’ve got a prime crop of Trump worshipers hanging out here.

            But setting aside my personal life, conservative rule has been historically hard on gay people and immigrants. They’ve finally given up on making gay peoples’ lives tragic, but there is a resurgence of xenophobia.

            1. However much xenophobia has resurged in the USA and elsewhere, it doesn’t seem to have had much effect on immigration, at least to the USA.

              1. So, your defense of growing xenophobia is, it hasn’t been very successful xenophobia.

            2. What would a hardcore religious right, if it had absolute power in all three branches, do to gays? I can’t think of anything which would limit their freedoms; some of their privileges may be slightly curtailed, but I can’t think of any real persecution.

              1. Seriously, the continued whining about the gays. It’s all in their head.

              2. Conservatives have slowly changed their attitude to be more tolerant of gay people after decades of social pressure.

                1. Blah blah blah. I’m conservative. I think homosexuality is disgusting. Yet I believe in individual liberty for everyone, regardless of where you may want to stick it. You believe in state sanctioned violence to force me to act and think the way you believe is appropriate. Fuck of slaver.

          2. “The rhetoric may be annoying, but it is not an active threat to your freedom. The evangelical right doesn’t want to impose its religion on you by force,”

            LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
            -breathes in
            LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

            No, they just want my kids’s school to stop teaching all that “liberal crap” like reading, writing, and what actually happened to form the US, and replace it with Jesus riding dinosaurs, and to reform our laws “to reflect the Scripture” and mandate “God Bless America” on everything.

            But other than that, totes cool

            1. You’re a slobbering idiot.

    2. SleepyJoe will solve this problem.

  5. Does Sullum have mommy check under his bed for Trump before she turns out the lights at bedtime?

    I don’t like Trump either, but the frequency of these articles has reached the OCD stage.

    1. Riiiight. Trump has a White House meeting where he invites Flynn, who has been going around advocating martial law the last few days. Why in the heck would that be worth discussing?

      CACLLs keep saying why does Sullum keep writing about Trump? Because Trump keeps pulling shit.

      1. “CACLLs”?

        1. Conservative and conservative-leaning libertarians. I think I should just go back to calling certain people here out as Trump ass kissers, though.

          1. Will you call them TAK’s, you clever little bitch?

            1. Thanks for the suggestion! Does it need the apostrophe?

          2. Which is everyone who doesn’t have Sullum level TDS, right douchebag?

        2. It’s some lame ass shit Dee thought of that she pretends is clever, while everyone else laughs at her for.

          Dee is stupid though.

      2. How does brainstorming at the WH amount to “pulling shit”?

        What Trump may have discussed in that meeting is mild compared to the “shit” Biden, Harris, Hillary, and other Democrats and progressives have discussed for dealing with a potential election loss.

        What matters isn’t what people discuss behind closed doors, what matters is what they actually choose to do.

        1. That Trump even invited someone who has been talking about imposing martial law to the meeting should be met with immediate denouncement by every libertarian here.

          Ooh, it was just POTUS “brainstorming” martial law. What’s the big deal?

          1. That Trump even invited someone who has been talking about imposing martial law to the meeting should be met with immediate denouncement by every libertarian here.

            I’m not familiar with any libertarian principle that demands denouncement of anyone listening to someone else’s suggestions or opinions.

            1. No, because it’s a progressive idea. I refuse to call anything a progtard does as ‘principle’, as they have none.

              1. Really? Opposition to martial law is a progressive idea, not a classical liberal idea?

                1. You only oppose it in this case as it would not benefit you. Not out of any kind of principle. Your kind uses the constitution in the same manner. It only matters if it helps you get your way. Otherwise it’s ‘outdated’, or you pull that ‘living and breathing document’ shit.

                  Your kind needs to go.

                2. Really? Opposition to martial law is a progressive idea, not a classical liberal idea?

                  Martial law is the consequence of a breakdown of normal government and the rule of law; as such, it simply isn’t an ideological idea in the first place.

                  It’s like discussing whether “opposition to earthquakes” is a progressive or a classically liberal idea.

            2. Translation: I’m cool with the President imposing martial law.

        2. “… Democrats and progressives have discussed for dealing with a potential election loss.”

          And what was that?

      3. No, no, they’re “just asking questions” like “why don’t you want an audit (after they already did 3), it’s just about election security generally speaking” after wanting no such thing in 2016.

        They’re “just asking questions” like “why would it be unusual to have a felon in your meeting that advocates martial law” after Trump already used troops to clear the way for a fake religion photo op and wanted to explore “options” for looking at the domestic US as a “battle space” over the summer, and then fired the actual soldiers that opposed that and replaced them and other important staffers with, for example, with 30 year olds with documented online gambling problems.

        They are “just asking questions” like “why doesn’t Sidney Powell get a federal agency at her beck and call to ‘just look into’ her theories, available online, which even the slightest examination shows to be farcical at best. She’s totes not on the ‘official strike force team’ anymore so it’s legit and has plausible deniability baked in, right? She’s clearly objective and just doing it for love of country, right?

        They’re “just asking questions” like ‘how many more pardoned felons can we possibly put in charge of making it so all the government does for the last 3 months of Trump’s failed presidency is try to find ways to continue it”

  6. Reason: “You shouldn’t believe anything the government tells you, especially if it’s from anonymous officials who refuse to go on record.”

    Also Reason: “ZOMG anonymous sources in the White House say Trump is planning to impose martial law!!!”

    1. Flynn, who was in the meeting, has not been anonymous about advocating for martial law. He has been openly calling for Trump to bring in the military.

      1. Yeah, and Flynn made his case and Trump obviously rejected that course of action.

        Where exactly is the problem?

        1. It’s a problem that Trump would even consider it, and there are people here who are not condemning it and not turning away from their support for Trump.

          1. It’s a problem that Trump would even consider it

            “Considering it” implies that Trump thought such an action was justified and was held back by practicalities; there is no evidence of that. In other words: stop making things up.

            1. “there is no evidence of that”

              Other than inviting someone to the White House to talk it over.

              1. Again, you are making things up. Flynn apparently was invited to the WH to talk about election interference and fraud in general and make his case.

                We have no evidence that Flynn was specifically invited because of his opinion on martial law.

                Try again, this time without confabulating.

        2. HAha rejected it. YOu’re funny.

          He simply realized he doesn’t have enough people willing to do it. He would have done that shit in a heartbeat if he had the juice any more.

          You guys lost your shit about ACTUALLY made up shit like “FEMA CAMPS” and “MUH JADE HARVEST” and “PIZZAGATE” but this meeting doesn’t bother you?

          1. He simply realized he doesn’t have enough people willing to do it. He would have done that shit in a heartbeat if he had the juice any more.

            So you’re saying that if most of Trump’s experts say that there was enough election fraud to justify such an action and that such an action was legally justifiable, he would chosen that course of action?

            Sounds like you’re saying that Trump actually listens to the experts. Thanks for confirming that.

      2. What’s even the big deal about martial law? In the USA, that’d be the UCMJ, which ain’t too awful.

  7. “Christopher Krebs, who ran the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security”

    I think it’s not a great week to be this guy.

    1. Actually, he has been doing just fine after being fired by Trump.

      1. “Actually, he has been doing just fine after being fired by Trump.”

        Oh, wow. Surprising his dem narrative has been embraced by the liberal stream media. He should be wiping the shit off his face after the revelation about Solarwinds.

  8. The President of the US is discussing martial law in the Oval Office with a retired general. This general has said this before so he was invited by Trump knowing that he would discuss this issue. This is already a insane and we should rightful freak out twice, once because it happened, and the second time because the entire media and all the politicians did not immediately denounce it as lunacy and dangerous.

    1. Yeah we should do several freak outs because they accomplish so much.

      They media has had a freak out every day since Trump became president and all they’ve accomplished is an all time low in their popularity and reputation.

      You go ahead though. I’ll take a pass.

    2. I’d care more if the sources we at all reliable.

      1. Are you saying that Flynn did not attend the meeting, or that Flynn has not been advocating for martial law? Neither of those facts relies on anonymous sources.

        1. Neither of those facts tells you anything about Trump or Trump’s views or Trump’s intentions either, making your outrage baseless.

          1. Do you regularly have Nazi bank robbers over your house to just hypothetically discuss shit that they would do if able? If not, why?

            1. That was a s stupid thing to say.

              1. It was definitely hyperbolic, and as much as I dislike the players involved, I’m not saying they’re actual Nazis. If that helps (?)

                You get the gist though. I hope.

        2. This story is about Trump. And it relies on anonymous sources and journalists with no crediblity.

    3. You are exactly the person who would freak out. You and Sullum. Both chicken shit little girls.

      1. “Reason” folks.

        1. Fuck off WK

          1. “Reason” folks.

            1. Sockpuppet catcher has some good advice for you.

    4. Most of us are too busy freaking out about Wuflu. Once we’re all subjected to mandatory lnoculations we’ll freak out about some other insignificant bullshit.

    5. Meh. The media has discussed removing Trump by force, in the past, or going after him and his family, and putting him in jail after office. How is that different than Trump discussing martial law, if that’s even true? Why freak out only when Trump (allegedly) says something similar to what others were saying before, against him?

      1. Where has the media discussed removing Trump by force? They have reported on alleged crimes by him and his family that could lead to jail time. The media reports things, but they don’t have the power to do anything.

        “Why freak out when Trump only says something (allegedly) when others were saying something similar against him?”
        Do you really believe the crap you type?
        Trump is currently the president so him discussing martial law actually can have consequences. A NYT columnist suggesting Trump be prosecuted and serve jail time is not the same thing at all.
        Im not even sure what you are referring to? Who has suggested Trump be removed by force?

        1. Do you remember all the talk about invoking the 25th amendment? It was discussed as a possibility by both the media and the Attorney General’s office – so it wasn’t just a NYT intern. The Attorney General’s office discussing this in earnest can also have consequences, much like Trump discussing the possibility of martial law. I’m just tired of the double standards, that’s all.

          1. The 25th ammendment is not “removing by force.” Whether you think it’s justified or being abused is one thing, but using the 25th ammendment isn’t using force. It’s a legal mechanism for temporarily or permanently removing the president. Their was talk in the media and I think Pelosi mentioned it. The media suggesting it is not important since they have no authority. You can think it’s inappropriate for Pelosi to mention it, but no one ever started actions to use it. The same could be said about Trump, Flynn and martial law, but I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. Trump is a lame duck who appears to be willing to break precedent, tradition and advice to try and keep power. Having a conversation with someone who very recently suggested declaring martial law to overturn the election is a bad look. Declaring martial law to overturn an election is much more worrisome than the 25th amendment.

            I don’t know why you said “attorney general’s office.”

            1. I mentioned the Attorney General’s Office, based on a September 21, 2018 article from the NY Times entitled “Rod Rosenstein Suggested Secretly Recording Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment”.
              It wasn’t just Pelosi scoring political talking points, or the media being drama queens.

          2. I don’t think it’s a double standard to say Pelosi should be open to discussing the 25th amendment and to criticize a lame duck president for meeting with someone saying he should declare martial law and throw out election results.
            The first would be congress and the cabinet collectively deciding the president shouldn’t have power. It could be temporary. The second is Trump unilaterally tossing out election results to stay in power. They are pretty different as far as long term consequences.

    6. Why is this unfounded call for freak out any more imperative than all the other unfounded calls for freak out about Republicans in the last 80 years?

    7. The President of the US is discussing martial law in the Oval Office with a retired general. This general has said this before so he was invited by Trump knowing that he would discuss this issue. This is already a insane

      FFS, Democrats weaponized the CIA and FBI, fabricated foreign intelligence, lied to the courts, lied to Congress, lied to the American people, tried an impeachment with fabricated evidence, leaked classified information, and discussed everything from using the 25A to a military coup to get rid of Trump. But when Trump has a private discussion with a retired general where using the military to ensure election integrity may have been raised, you are losing it.

      You’re insane.

      1. There was no lying and no fabrication of evidence. Impeachment is legal, and 25A is legal. The military has zero ability to ensure the election integrity, what they can do is overthrow a legal election and kill anyone who stands in the way.

        1. There was no lying and no fabrication of evidence.

          Clapper lied to Congress, and the Steele dossier was fabricated, to give just two examples.

          Impeachment is legal, and 25A is legal.

          Yes, and just like those two are legal under certain circumstances, so is imposing martial law. What’s your point?

          The military has zero ability to ensure the election integrity

          Well, and that’s probably one of the reasons Trump rejected the idea. Again, what’s your point?

          1. Martial law is not legal in the US, quite the opposite, it would be a direct overthrow of our constitution.

            1. No, DEMOCRATS are the ones trying to overthrow the constitution.

    8. Of course, it’s thoughtcrime. If it were Biden you would defend it.

      You’re such progtarded garbage.

      1. It is not a thought crime. It is conspiracy to overthrow the government.

        1. Only in your fevered, masturbatory, TDS dreams.

          1. No. Using the military to declare martial law is literally overthrowing the government. Discussing it is conspiracy.

    9. You leftist cunts didn’t mind so much when the president actually ginned up a fraudulent investigation and prosecution of their political enemies so fuck off with your faux concern and outrage about a conversation with no identifiable resulting action.

    10. Martial law won’t happen. But it’s worth discussing. Given the ongoing mass treason by people like you.

      Trump is still trying to treat you like you’re a real human, and even an American.

      You are neither. Just an unclean, soulless thing. An existential threat to freedom and life.

  9. I have heard from a reliable source that Trump has arranged for an army of Oompa-Loompas to pants Joe Biden at the inauguration. There’s some debate over whether it’s an “army” of Oompa-Loompas or merely a “squad” of Oompa-Loompas and whether they’re going to pants him or give him a wedgie, but either way this is an outrageous and unprecedented act of petty cruelty by Trump.

    But what else can you expect from Trump? His whole term in office has been one outrageous act of petty cruelty after another. Like the time he reportedly threatened to smack Melania if he caught her trying to sneak one of his Leggo waffles even though, according to witnesses familiar with the incident, he had already had 37 of them or the time he reportedly kicked a squirrel that had the temerity to approach him on the White House lawn and then, according to high-ranking officials, threw his shoe at the squirrel. According to anonymous sources, Trump’s temper frequently gets the better of him and his narcissism causes him to hurl coconuts at one of the 42 TV’s he allegedly keeps in his bedroom every time he hears the newscasters go more than 5 minutes without mentioning his name and then he reportedly summons whichever Cabinet member has displeased him the most that day and orders them to clean up the mess and go to Walmart and buy him a new TV. Allegedly.

    1. Just as I suspected!

    2. I was onboard with all of this until you claimed Trump buys his TVs at Wal-Mart. I know a conspiracy theory when I see one.

    3. You deserve a Pulitzer Prize.

    4. Wait, ‘pants’. Do you mean ‘de-pants’?

      Of course, with Biden, we don’t know of this isn’t just contingency planning for if he shows up wearing no pants.

  10. “Trump “asked about” Flynn’s idea during the meeting, the Times reports.”

    He also tweeted that “martial law=fake news”

    Nobody should want that. But our media deserves it. I say he declares martial law just in the white house press room and the streets in front of every journalist office. Not for them to do anything other than stand around, drive tanks, and enjoy the reaction.

    1. Seriously, can he just declare martial law on the sidewalk in front of the NYT building? That would be the best thing to happen all year.

      None of the journalists are there, but it wouldn’t stop them from announcing that they had been trapped and starving on the roof for days and jumping might be the only way to escape the horror

    2. Considering most of us have been largely confined to our homes for the better part of the year as it is, I’m not seeing how martial law would make much of a difference in my modern American Experience.

      If martial law basically means law enforcement gets to declare open season on antifa, the media, and other leftist nuisances, by all means, bring it on!

      1. Flynn is proposing using martial law to hold new elections in swing states that didn’t go to Trump. So, basically, using the military to force a do-over where the people didn’t vote for Trump like they were supposed to.

        1. You are the boy calling wolf. No one takes you seriously no matter how many socks you use to call wolf.

        2. And there will be endless do-overs till these wayward slobs do things the RIGHT way, and vote for Der TrumpfenFuhrer!

          Those states who voted for Der TrumpfenFuhrer? Texas, for instance? And now that time has gone by, and millions of Texans have seen yet MORE of the “true stripes” of the Trumptatorshit… And they voted for Trump, but are SOOOO disgusted by now, they want to vote differently by now… Do THEY get a do-over?

          Does anyone see a problem here? Let’s selectively re-play this game till the Trumptatorshit lasts forever!

          1. Texas didn’t have any fraud. We know they didn’t have any fraud because Trump won there.

            1. They could have fraud. Lets audit them, and every other state.

              Or are you just talking out of your ass again?

              1. Do a forensic audit in every state. Everyone would welcome it except you and the criminals who are doing everything they can to make this the least transparent election of all time.

                1. Sounds good to me.

                  1. Shit eating doesn’t generate any taxable revenue. So you pay no taxes. As a parasite, you should really commit suicide.

                    Hihn is dead. You should follow suit.

                    Take the hihnt.

                    1. Meant for Squirrely. This website is a pile of shit. Although not the kind Squirrely can eat.

                2. I for one, as a taxpayer, do NOT want my taxes to go to endless audits, just to humor the paranoid delusions of Der TrumpfenFuhrer! So that makes me a criminal, hunh? How about the crime of TREASON by those who want to replace democracy with a Trumptatorshit?

                  1. You don’t pay taxes. Kill yourself.

            2. You know why everyone thinks you’re a partisan hack? It’s because you think this is some kind of gotcha when no one who is calling for audits or investigations has mentioned states like California, Illinois, or New York.

              But fuck it, let’s bring on a real investigation into every states election systems.

              1. Those states don’t have any problems with poll watchers because dead men tell no tales

                1. Dead Lizard Men tell no tales! After the invisible Lizard Men made millions of voters vote Marxist via Lizard Men-Emitted Mind-Control waves, the Marxists killed all the Lizard Men, to make sure that no one would ever learn about all of this! That’s what you meant to say, right?

                  The ONLY way that states that DID vote for the continuation of the Trumptatorshit, will get a re-vote, to make it all “fair” to people who’ve changed their minds, by now, or who were excluded from voting by “R” machinations or being too busy or sick that day, to vote… The ONLY way that voters in THESE states will get a “second bite at the apple”, is to make up utterly fantastical LIES about the “R” party’s cheating, collusion with Lizard Men, etc.!

                  What we are CLEARLY evolving to here, is NOT election wins by the most votes or even electoral college votes, it is “WINNING” by “He who whines and cries and makes up lies, the most”!

                  1. Suicide is the only way out for you. Don’t believe anyone who says your life has value, because it’s not true.

                    Just the fact that you lie about having served in the military is a good indication that you and the world are better off if you kill yourself.

                    1. I know it’s not nice to pull rank, I know, but, you know what? I was an officer, and you were enlisted, because I’m a lot smarter, and better educated, than you are!

                      If you keep on your path of worshipping Satan by advocating suicide, you’ll end up taking your own advice, and committing suicide yourself, Evil One junior! And then I’ll end up in Heaven, while you torture yourself in Hell. The rank differential will grow by leaps and bounds! Not in YOUR best interests, Satan-worshipper!

  11. Look, they can’t possibly be serious about the martial law/forced do-over option. What would happen if they did that?

    Trump would get crushed. Destroyed. The only votes he’d get would be from the Republicans that believe the conspiracy stuff. That’s less that half of Republicans. The remaining Republicans, all the independents, and (of course) the Democrats would vote the other way out of outrage. It would be an electoral bloodbath.

    They need to come up with plan G, or whatever it is they’re up too.

    1. The only relevant course they have to contest the election and send it the the House on Jan 6th. Sullum is too fucking to understand this, but trumps lawyers are well aware.

      1. “Sullum is too fucking to understand…”

        JesseSPAZ is too fucking to write coherently! Go back and get your GED if you can swing it, semi-literate Trump-sucker!

        1. You have no business criticizing anyone you tucking retard. Now go kill yourself.

          1. You are a “tucking” evil Satan-worshipper, who wants to get tucked up the asshole by the Evil One! And you have ALREADY been mind-tucked by the Evil One!

            1. Nope. You’re the one who craves being sodomized, and who also eats shit.

              Have you even TRIED being dead? Kill yourself and give it a month. Them get back to us.

    2. Right, because Trump never does anything impulsive without thinking through that it might not go his way in the end.

      1. Right, because Trump never does anything impulsive without thinking through that it might not go his way in the end.

        As far as I can tell, that’s pretty much true: he seems to be thinking through his actions pretty carefully.

        If you disagree, why don’t you give just three examples of important impulsive executive actions by Trump.

        1. He won’t. He will just cite tweets and say it’s the same. As WK is a lying Shitweasel.

        2. His executive action on social media, after he was offended by Twitter tagging his tweets. Totally impulsive.

        3. His impulsive decision on Syria, abandoning the Kurds.

          1. They were never ours to abandon. But you’re not smart enough to understand such things.

        4. Threatening North Korea with “fire and fury” without consulting with any of his advisors.

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  13. Trump’s last special commission on election fraud in 2016 came up with nothing. Remember that one, lead by Kris Kobach, looked into all the illegal aliens voting so that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Because Trump was claiming election fraud in that race also. I would Sydney Powell to come up with twice as much nothing on the 2020 election.

    1. The one where state election officials refused to cooperate as they are doing now?

      1. State officials have pretty much bent over backwards to keep Trump happy. They have counted and recounted the ballots. Problem is the President lost and no matter how many times the votes are counted they come up the same. Well that not true Biden got an additional 87 votes in Wisconsin recount. Executive branch staff have said the election is the most secure and the Attorney General reported no significant fraud.
        Not getting the results you want does not mean not cooperating.

        1. Lol. God you are fucking lying here. Maricopa just went to court to stop the state legislature from auditing their machines. Detroit, pa, and wisconsin have all refused even statistical audits. Ga took 4 weeks to seek out a signature audit to explain how their rejection rate dropped to under 0.2% when 3% is the average.

          God damn you liberal fucks do nothing but lie.

          Virtually every lawsuit was on procedural grounds with no discovery granted by the judge.

          Every election office has failed to allow any actual audit of the data. The GA and Wisconsin recounts solely rehab ballots through the machines. They still uncovered thousands of wrong counts and discovered misplaced memory cards.

          Stop fucking lying.

          1. First, Maricopa county has been represented by Tom Liddy as in G Gordon Liddy’s son. You don’t get more Republican than that. Liddy is the one that argued against sealing the initial tRump lawsuit because it was so much bullshit he wanted the public to see it.
            2nd, Detroit isn’t a state. It would be Michigan. They have published all their voting data.
            3rd There is no such thing as a statistical audit. That is bullshit some crock of an economic professor put out (and tRump apparent bought hook line and sinker).
            4th, Just because the outcome of an election is not what you want, doesn’t mean their was fraud. Its very possible (and likely) there are just more people smarter than you who saw tRump for what he is, a narcissistic conman.

            How’s is that wonderful healthcare plan coming along?

            1. A statistical analysis that showed that 80% of the votes came from people over 150 years old would have some degree of usefulness, wouldn’t it?

              1. He’s just going to keep lying. You’re wasting your time.

          2. “The GA and Wisconsin recounts solely rehab ballots through the machines.”

            You claim to be well informed, but you keep repeating, incorrectly, that Georgia has only done machine recounts. They did a full, by-hand, no machines recount of every paper ballot.

            1. Citation fell off. They recounted once by “audit” which means sampling. Once by machine recount and pnce by running all paper ballots through counting machines.

              Georgia has never hand recounted ballots with two observers standing over each ballot to determine the legality or illegality of a ballot.

            2. Yes, the recounted the paper ballots that were created by the people who interpreted the original, supposedly unscannable ballots. Not surprisingly, that hand recount of paper ballots agreed with the machines.

        2. By the way, learn where antrim County is fucking retard. In Wisconsin.

          1. Enlighten me where in Wisconsin is Antrim County. You know general location and if possible any nearby markers, rivers, lakes etc.

            1. Its east of Lake Wobegon. By the shores of Gitchee Gumee. Haunted by the ghost of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Where all the lumberjacks break into song while pressing wild flowers. And all the dairy cows are above average. Ya sure ya betcha.

          2. “God you are fucking lying here. ”
            “By the way, learn where antrim County is fucking retard. In Wisconsin.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antrim_County,_Michigan

            Ladies and Gentlemen, another great example of Trump-lost-denialism. Why, oh, why aren’t state governments rushing to appease these honest, reasonable folks about their cult leader losing?

            1. Fuck off WK

              1. Catching someone in an obvious falsehood makes you so angry…

                These are the Trump-lost-denialists, folks.

                1. Fuck off WK

              2. QA sounds more like Shriek than WK.

                1. Indeed. It could very well be Kiddie Raper.

          3. By the way, the Antrim County audit showed that the Dominion voting machines counted the votes correctly with no fraud. Furthermore, when those results were released, it made it obvious that supposed “leaked” audit results on right-wing websites were blatant lies.

            1. Unreason commie citations always fall off.

      2. Even the Red states that refused to cooperate?
        Maybe when the federal government goes on a wild goose chase and wants the states to help, they will pay the states to do so. Last time I checked, there weren’t a bunch of state employees standing around waiting for a tRump request.

        1. Jan 6, more state than you like will “cooperate”.

          Some republicans still cant believe that democrats are an enemy working to destroy the USA from the inside out.

          1. You keep speaking of January 6. I don´t think you will like the actual Congressional proceedings which will take place on that day.

        2. Stop lying.

  14. Fuck you Jacob.

  15. Haha the general left wing freak out keeps going on. Man I will miss this trolling of pajama boys and tranny girls.

    The left is literally scared of shadows.

    1. In fairness, the right is having a freak out of their own. That’s what the zealots out the end of the spectrum do – bounce from freak out to freak bou.

      1. Republicans are scared of having to shoot their idiot neighbors in self defense.

        Just because you will defend yourself, doesnt mean some god-loving people dont hate having to be put in this situation.

        I for pne will laugh and laugh as urban centers (like where unreason commies live) starve to death as their food supply routes are disrupted. These commies idiots learned nothing from kungflu food supply disruptions,

        1. No kidding. I want to focus on my work and my business investments. Not burn my time up slaughtering raging progtards to save the country.

          But if progressives want to choke our rivers with their dead, it’s on them. All they need to do is abandon their Marxist beliefs and leave everyone alone.

    2. Keep in mind, it was tRump that told us all to be afraid of:
      Muslims, Arabs, Persians, North Korea, Africa, basically anyone not white, Mexicans, Hispanics (except Cuban expatriots when they are useful), Europeans, Chinese, oh yeah, Canadians (did I miss any?), Liberals, Commies, Lefties, the press, Hollywood, BLM, Antifa. If it wasn’t for MAGA hats, you wouldn’t know whom you are safe with.

      Democrats are the party of outrage. Republicans are the party of fear.

      1. Poor lefties. They think their nonsensical propaganda works.

      2. Stop lying. You’re not even good at it.

  16. “Without evidence, Reason and the rest of the mainstream media claimed Trump threatened to declare martial law.”

    Do we have an on the record source for these claims? The dictator Trump will be one in a few weeks, surely someone will be a brave patriot?

  17. Did…you actually piss yourself Jake?

    1. Jake’s scared Trump’s going to make soap out of him.

      1. Leave it to Trump to finally find a way to make Sullum useful.

  18. All of those ideas would probably work, excepting appointing Sidney Powell.

  19. “Desperate To Stop Biden From Taking Office, Trump Suggests Military Intervention, Voting Machine Seizures, and Appointing Sidney Powell To Investigate Her Own Fraud Claims”

    —-Jacob Sullum

    Somebody at Reason, please tell Sullum about what it means to be “trollled”.

    1. Yup. The past four years has been an entire troll. Thanks for clarifying that.

      1. Some things really shouldn’t be taken too seriously, and the left’s problem with Trump really has been the same for four years–where Trump supporters take him seriously without taking him literally, Trump’s critics take him literally without taking him seriously. It’s been four years. You’ve got a couple of weeks to finally figure it out already.

        1. Oh Ken, again we must do this dance.

          If we take him literally, everything and everyone is a co-conspirator, and we should inject bleach, and he is as good as Abraham Lincoln, and the smartest and best at everything.

          If we take him seriously, he signals over and over that he expects that people will “do whatever it takes” to make sure he remains in power.

          I am so, so sick of your tripe. You must do well at parties where you’re a few years older than everyone else and can seem extra smart.

    2. One of the most pathetic defenses used here by Trump worshipers is “he didn’t really mean that horrendous thing he just said; he’s just trolling.”

      1. The truth is an absolute defense.

      2. It’s better than those on the Left – who mean the horrible shit they say.

      3. Yeah. They are ok with the President of the United States spending most of his time trolling when he’s not actively playing golf, watching TV, or trying to sell access to himself on the taxpayers’ dime.

  20. Desperate To Stop Biden From Taking Office, Trump Suggests Military Intervention, Voting Machine Seizures, and Appointing Sidney Powell To Investigate Her Own Fraud Claims

    I hope he does! Considering I’ve already been under virtual house arrest for most of the year, I’m not likely to notice much difference, and watching Enlightened™ heads explode would be a welcome comedy relief.

    1. “I’ve already been under virtual house arrest”

      It’s unfortunate noone taught you the difference between metaphor and reality yet…Xmas wish for you?

      1. WTF are you even talking about? We all knew what he was alluding to.

        You don’t try to discuss. You just want to stir up shit.

        1. Of course that sjw bitch wants to stir shit up. Fuck her.

          1. Nope, not me.

      2. My Xmas wish is for all you progs to commit suicide. So get it done and don’t be a Grinch.

      3. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  21. “Get me my marines!”

    “Yessir. I’ll have the detail officer in here in two minutes”

    (In comes the Marine)

    “You! You see this desk? I want you to get a bunch of you together and a truck and take it to my place in Florida today!”

    “ But sir, I’m going to need to consult my commander…”

    “ I’m your damn commander!” “Now move this desk. It was stolen from me. I earned this desk. Move it now!”

    “Anything else sir?”

    “Yeah. Bring back a couple of quarter pounders and a large fries when you return.”

    1. WOw! That was funny! And so realistic too! Here I thought OBL was good. You have a gift.

    2. Did your mommy find that amusing. Or, like everyone else, simply see it as a juvenile attempt at humor?

  22. The Trump-lost-denialists are, as you can see, entirely emotional babies who lodge intellectually simplistic arguments and then curse angrily when it is pointed out.

    Fuck your feelings, fragile folks. Your cult leader just wasn’t that popular, for reasons obvious to those who follow elections, or, I dunno, human relations.

    I do like the dissembling of the other ‘libertarians’ here who are like ‘dur hur, the real idiots are those that believe the press about Trump!’

    Yeah, the press has more trouble with truth than the President. And only a true libertarian would be more worried about potential dissembling among a single private news outlet than the Commander in Chief…

    Nothing to see here, folks, just liberty minded folks!

    1. Fuck off bitch suck my cock you whore.

      1. She did it. She sucked my cock. She’s the worst whore.

    2. “Fuck your feelings”

      ahahah omg ur still mad Hillary lost jfc

    3. Biden only won Pa, Ga and Wi by a few thousand votes.

      1. But we should ignore statements from an AG who said he wouldn’t allow Trump to win or a candidate who admitted to assembling the largest vote fraud organization in US history just because the evidence aligns with their statements and that would be bad for Democrats.

    4. Oh, honey, you’re projecting your own internal emotional turmoil onto others. Just look at you, losing it over a report of what may or may not have been discussed at a WH meeting.

    5. Popular enough that Biden just squeaked in.

  23. Whatever it takes to put off just a little longer the realization how terrible Biden and his people have been and most certainly will be for America and beyond.

  24. ‘The president’s advisers reportedly pushed back vigorously against his ideas.’

    Purple unicorns reportedly live under my bed. ‘Reportedly’ is the biggest, worst weasel word of them all.

    1. I am partial to NPR’s “some argue”

      As in…
      “SOME ARGUE that the purple unicorns were born dustbunnies who have since transitioned and now identify as the former. So people who say they don’t see purple unicorns are actually transphobic.”

    2. Facts that don’t depend on “reportedly”. Flynn has been publicly advocating martial law. Trump invited him to a meeting at the White House, knowing about his advocacy of martial law. That alone should be enough to deserve the condemnation of every libertarian.

      1. Nope. Not even close. Especially because you say it’s so. As you are an idiot, and a liar.

      2. Are you actually retarded?

      3. Reportedly, White Knight likes to be anally fisted by grubby
        Longshoremen, while watching scat videos.

        Reportedly. Yes, ‘reportedly’ can be fun.

      4. Well, not the libertarians at Reason.

    3. There will he Civil war 2.0 in the USA because Democrats started it…again.

      Either you are on the side of commies and Democrats. Or you on the side of the Constitution.

      Pick a side otherwise the side is being picked for you.

      1. We should seize the opportunity and eliminate the democrat stain once and for all. Since it will be of their own doing.

      2. if you are supporting trump, you are not on the side of the constitution….. just so you know…

      3. There will be no civil war. As of January 20, the military will be under new command. Who will raise, arm, train, command and pay an insurrectionary force? Please be specific.

  25. the issue was “mail in votes”…simply put you want to vote and are not deployed in the military you get your back end in to vote. And your signature at the very least needs to be checked. All mail in votes should be disregarded is one POV as all can be fraudulent. As tough as it is..perhaps we need to just count in person voting this time around…a few bad apples you know..its the only way to be sure of no fraud.

    1. So, just disregard the states laws, which mail-in voters followed in good faith, and toss them all.

      “I just got checkmated, so we should change the rules so queens don’t have any powers.”

      1. “WHAT ABOUT THE LAAAAAAAWWWWW!!!”

      2. Actually the mail in voting laws weren’t adhered to. The courts and some SecState changed the rules illegally.

        1. this a lie. very few changes were made without legislative action, and none of the ones that were yielded enough extra ballots to change the outcome. you are being conned.

          1. You, right there, just admitted that the rules were changed illegally.

            1. what i did was give you a more complete answer. almost none of the changes made were made without legislature directive. the couple that were were challenged in court and ruled to be withing the secretary of state’s legal authority. nothing was changed illegally.

      3. “So, just disregard the states laws, which mail-in voters followed in good faith, and toss them all”

        Which was the basis for the Texas case. That these states didn’t follow their own laws in the first place. Of course you’re only for the law when it gets the outcome you want. When in reality, those voters have only their own lawless democrat officials to blame.

        1. wrong….. those states did follow their laws, Texas just didn’t like their laws……. which is why the claim was rejected.

          1. You just said they did not follow their laws

          2. Bullshit, the case was rejected for standing. So stop lying.

        2. Texas would have lost their own votes under their own reasoning. Which is one of the many reasons that real lawyers won’t touch that shit with a ten foot pole.

      4. So, just disregard the states laws, which mail-in voters followed in good faith, and toss them all.

        Let’s say you have two batches of chicken; one batch you know is good, the other one was left out on the counter too long and may give you salmonella. Both were purchased for dinner in “good faith”. Do you (1) just mix the two and hope for the best or (2) throw out the batch that was left on the counter too long?

        In fact, it sounds like Trump was considering (and rejected) a third option: redo the vote in the states where the validity of the votes couldn’t be reasonably assured. You don’t seem to like that possibility either.

        “I just got checkmated, so we should change the rules so queens don’t have any powers.”

        The problem is that the rules were changed repeatedly throughout the election, often by illegal means. The issue isn’t that there was fraud, the issue is that we didn’t have a free, trustworthy, and fair election in the first place.

        Personally, I still think Republicans should drop this and let Biden become president. But it’s still worth considering the implications of what happened and what other possible legal responses might be.

      5. The states disregarded their own laws. So, yes.

        I don’t get you – you wouldn’t support a good faith error when cops do it?

  26. The Wood Duck is probably the most amazingly colorful waterfowl in the world. The Wood Duck male bird has a metallic, purple-green head and ridge. His abdomen is white and his chest is dark red. Along the neck, they have attractive, narrow white stripes. Their wings are colored in blue and black.

    Female ducks are not as colorful as males. They have a gray-brown head, white belly, and a white chest. The male bird uses its colorful plumage to attract females during the breeding season.

    These ducks live in swamps, wooded swamps, and streams throughout North America. With unique colors and shapes, these ducks are also one of the most easily recognizable birds in North America. Unlike other poultry, they nest in tree holes and form groups.

    The Wood Duck is probably the most amazingly colorful waterfowl in the world.

  27. https://twitter.com/luismen1991/status/1340842438844436483?s=19

    Every single Hispanic American saw this election being stolen because it is the same thing that they do in the countries that we come from. It’s time for Hispanics to rise up and quit being silent.

  28. https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1340811457869524992?s=19

    The issue is not $600 vs $1,200, MORONS.

    It’s about lockdowns or not lockdowns, CLOWNS.

    The $600 versus $1,200 is only enough for part of a month expenses, IDIOTS.

    The push should be to open because shutdown destroy lives & livelihoods and has not stopped the spread, ZOMBIES.

    The increase in deaths from ODs in San Francisco this year (180) compared to last year, is more than the total Coronavirus deaths there (175). Yet, clownish idiotic morons in Congress think that $600-$1,200 per head in half a year will solve the lockdown issues.

    1. https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1340781466939129861?s=19

      The point of more lockdowns is not to keep you safe, but to keep you broke.

      This is the largest transfer of wealth in history.

      The middle class is being bankrupted in favor of large corporations.

      1. Ypu cant have a “revolution” in the wealthiest nation in the world without nuking the economy and creating an unemployed class of workers.

        Worker struggle and all that commie nonsense.

      2. So when Trump signs it, are you going after him too?

        1. Trump didn’t shut down all the businesses. You progs did.

          1. Now consider the instances where people get all “muh freedoms/the C0nsTiTuti0n” to the requests of a private store owner that you wear masks in their store. Same goes for firearms. Everybody’s a “libertarian” until a private property owner tries to make a request.

  29. The Wood Duck is probably the most amazingly colorful waterfowl in the world. The Wood Duck male bird has a metallic, purple-green head and ridge. His abdomen is white and his chest is dark red. Along the neck, they have attractive, narrow white stripes. Their wings are colored in blue and black.

    Female ducks are not as colorful as males. They have a gray-brown head, white belly, and a white chest. The male bird uses its colorful plumage to attract females during the breeding season.

    These ducks live in swamps, wooded swamps, and streams throughout North America. With unique colors and shapes, these ducks are also one of the most easily recognizable birds in North America. Unlike other poultry, they nest in tree holes and form groups.
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  30. https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1340777923515596800?s=19

    Seems as if every major computer system in the United States has been penetrated by a foreign adversary. Except for our voting systems. Those are fine. Move along. Orange Man bad.

  31. https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1340876640507867143?s=19

    Georgia Senate Report: Election workers ‘purposely’ placed ‘fraudulent ballots’ into final totals at State Farm Arena

  32. Poor unreason. Suddenly the Commies who staff unreason demand that Americans should stop questioning the the Commie plan ti destroy America and accept the destruction.

    Biden and the Commies at unreason are in for a big surprise.

  33. https://twitter.com/montaga/status/1340651579947573248?s=19

    Here is what Democrats did during vote counting while the world press was watching.

  34. Joe Biden announced Job opportunity for everyone! Work from comfort of your home, on your computer And you can work with your own working hours…….Usa Online Jobs  

    1. Maybe he can get jobs for his son and niece too. I mean once they complete rehab and if they aren’t in prison.

  35. I am more than a bit concerned about the mental health of many of you.

    1. If your concern is like your bed shitting on covid that means everyone is great.

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  38. This horse has been beat to it’s constituent atoms, and apparently Mr. Sullum is trying to go sub-atomic.

    1. go through the comments….. some people still do not get it.

      1. Obviously, you’ve yet to understand it.

  39. well done, Sullum….. you really know how to trigger the nutjobs that hand out in these parts.

    anyone who can still support trump at this point is a moron. those who will come on here and try to cry about us not knowing he is doing these things actually hope that he is…. and that it works….. people so desperate that they want to ignore reality and the legitimate rule of law to get what they want.

    1. while they cry about him daily, his regularly scheduled article generates so many clicks from the triggered little bitch cult members on here. Looking forward to one every day up until inauguration. they are making him the most popular writer here

      sad to see, but predictable.

    2. But triggering the snowflakes can be fun. Just look at how they act here. Even near San Francisco there is a city where the snowflakes hang out on a freeway overpass with “Stop the steal” banners. I drove by them with my girlfriend the other day. When I saw them I laughed as loud as I could so they could hear me over the traffic noise. My girlfriend told me they might throw something at me. So I said what are they gonna throw, their bodies. 😀

  40. well done, Sullum….. you really know how to trigger the nutjobs that hand out in these parts.

    Nutjobs like you, who fly off the handle at anonymous reports of the internal thought processes of the president.

    1. i see you are feeling triggered, snowflake.

      1. Americans don’t get ‘triggered’. That’s a condition for prog fags, like you.

        You would be much happier dead. So maybe you try that, and get back to us.

  41. Your daily reminder:

    your fat fucking loser of a cult leader lost. you picked a bloated, dead horse

    get the fuck over it, the sooner you do, the better for you. you are looking more embarrassing by the day, and most people are just starting to feel bad for you

    take the L, little bitches

    1. Your daily reminder:
      Your TDS treatment isn’t working, TDS-infected shit.

    2. Yes, soon it will be time to thin the progressive herd, so this kind of inane bullshit never happens again. As we have far more of you than is necessary.

  42. Garbage article.

  43. There will always be questions about the Presidential Election in 2020 and the winner will always have an asterisk next to their name. The corporate media is quick to say that Trump has lost every court case, however there hasn’t been any court cased tried to date. They have all dismissed due to lack of standing versus lack of merit.

    Personally, I don’t have a dog in the fight. My choice Jo Jorgensen was defeated. She was ignored by the corporate media even though this year was the anniversary of the 19th amendment. As only the female nominee among the 4 largest political parties, you would think that there would be at least a mention.

    The corporate media instead made a concerted effort to place a media black-out of the Libertarian and Green Party candidates.

    I mention this because corporate media bias is extremely overt, in your face and can’t be denied without getting laughed at. While I despise both Trump and Biden, I do not feel that Trump has been given any respect or fairness from the corporate media. Biden however has been fawned over by a sycophantic corporate media once he became the presumed Democrat party nominee.

    The problem with the polarization between the “Left and the Right”, lies largely with the corporate media and their attempts to “Social Engineer”. The corporate media holds 90% of the public in such low regard, which reminds me of a high school clique.

    The corporate media are constantly living, breathing and socializing in their like minded bubble. They are more clueless than our elected officials and they are clueless.

    While I may despise politicians, I truly abhor the corporate media and their repulsive antics. One can only wish for an afterlife so they will face the eternal furnace for their misdeeds, arrogance and narcissistic behavior.

    1. The corporate media should breathe no more.

  44. Sullum appears to be an unhinged cuck.

  45. A Biden regime signals the return to the aggressive Bush/Clinton/Obama military-interventionist/total-surveillance state. All the Trump critics can calm down now.

    Maybe Biden will end up with Hillary as SoS again! Nuke Moscow! Invade Somalia and reoccupy Afghanistan and Syria! Assassinate Assange and Snowden! Bernie Sanders for Human Services Secretary! His acolytes promise reeducation gulags and death camps for political dissenters.

    Late.

    1. It’s grotesque that you think Democrats kill more people overseas.

      Bush started the fucking wars. Trump bombed more people than Obama ever did.

      Their propaganda mill is the fucking gold standard, I will hand them that. Start an endless war based on lies and eventually it will be Democrats’ fault. They just knew they could do it.

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