Underage Girls Arrested in Florida 'Human Trafficking' Sting
Once again, policies billed as helping people coerced into prostitution wind up harming those that cops say they're trying to help.
Two 17-year-old girls were arrested as part of a "human trafficking" operation in Volusia County, Florida, an area on the state's east coast that encompasses Daytona Beach.
The arrests highlight how policies billed as helping people forced or coerced into prostitution may wind up harming the very communities cops say they're trying to help. The operation also showcases how sex trafficking stings often serve as a general dragnet for petty offenses.
In this case, 18 people were arrested as part of the sting conducted by the Volusia Sheriff's Office (VSO), with charges including prostitution, drug possession, and probation violations. "A Cape Coral man spotted dropping off two female defendants at the scene of the undercover operation was charged with violation of probation for breaking his court-ordered curfew," according to a VSO press release. "A New Smyrna Beach man on probation with a special condition restricting him from bars was arrested after detectives saw him leave a bar with a woman in the passenger seat of his truck."
In addition, a 27-year-old man was charged with child neglect and contributing to the delinquency of a minor after allegedly renting a hotel room for two 17-year-old girls to sell sex in and lending them a relative's vehicle.
The two girls were also arrested in the sting, which was conducted with assistance from the Internet Crimes Against Children task force (a fed-led initiative funded by the Department of Justice).
Investigators determined that "what they were doing was prostitution—they were doing it willingly," Sheriff Michael J. Chitwood said at a news conference. "These two young ladies are doing their own advertising on adult websites."
This discovery "triggered a human trafficking investigation" but "that investigation did not yield that it was human trafficking because they both went to great lengths and showed us things that they're doing this because they want to do it, they're not doing it because they were forced to do it," Chitwood said.
"One of [the girls] had an outstanding warrant for her arrest" and was taken to a juvenile justice center, while the other "was returned to her father," the sheriff added.
Neither girl was ultimately charged with prostitution, a spokesperson with the Volusia Sheriff's Office tells Reason.
But even though no charges were brought against the teens, that doesn't mean the experience was harmless. Being subject to a sting operation and an arrest can be frightening or a traumatic experience, subjecting people to potential police abuse or harassment and potential jail time.
Alas, Volusia law enforcement isn't alone in arresting minors in prostitution stings before discovering they are underage. It's one more reason to doubt that the police sting method of stopping sexual exploitation is the best one.
That doesn't mean it's a good idea for minors to be selling sex. But the idea that they need armed law enforcement agents to literally swoop in and rescue them stems from misconceptions about sex trafficking.
Research suggests most teenagers selling sex do not have a "pimp" or "trafficker," and if they do it's likely to be someone they know, such as a family member or a romantic partner. Many are runaways. Many are gay or transgender. What these kids need is not handcuffs but support—material, financial, emotional.
Which brings us to the sheriff's contention that the two 17-year-olds in this case were acting voluntarily. It's one of a number of things that makes the publicity around this sting odd.
It's rare for police departments to admit that they arrest teenagers for prostitution in the first place (though FBI crime data shows that it does still happen). And authorities almost never acknowledge that teenagers may sell sex for myriad reasons, not only because they've been abducted and forced into it. Public statements will describe teenagers selling sex as children who have been "rescued," leaving out any further context.
So it's actually somewhat refreshing to see the sheriff in this case be open about what really went down (the teens were arrested) and not try to overplay the heroics by insisting that his office saved children from sex trafficking.
It's also refreshing to see the sheriff avoid immediately labeling the man who rented the hotel room as a sex trafficker. In many prostitution sting operations, authorities will label anyone who facilitates prostitution as human trafficker, even if the person selling sex is an adult and especially if they are not.
And yet… the involvement of the older man here calls into question the idea that this was just two teens acting on their own. Again, I wonder if myths about sex trafficking are at play.
If one buys the cinematic narrative about sex trafficking—that victims are abducted, tied up, beaten into submission, etc.—then two 17-year-olds posting ads for themselves and traveling around independently don't fit the bill. But that doesn't exclude less dramatic forms of exploitation or coercion being present. I hope the police in this case actually did a thorough job of investigating this possibility, instead of simply assuming that because these girls exhibited some independence that everything is OK.
It's a weird line to walk—acknowledging that teens selling sex can have agency while also recognizing that many who do are subject to more subtle forms of coercion or control.
I don't presume to know precisely what's really going on in this case. But I do think it's a perfect example of how the victim/criminal dichotomy we so often rely on in talk about sex trafficking fails, and of the failures inherent in a sting-based response to this issue in general. The sting in Volusia County saddled a number of adult men and women with criminal charges simply for trying to have consensual sex; it ended up with one teenage girl locked up after selling sex (even if that's not specifically what she was locked up for) and another simply returned home with no services whatsoever. Who exactly was helped here?
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Pretty sure that would be human trafficking
There aren't any humans involved there.
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'Being subject to a sting operation and an arrest can be frightening or a traumatic experience,' there are two ways to avoid this, both boiling down to personal responsibility. Don't engage in criminal activities, or if one does, don't get caught. Other than this, 'trauma' for one's own choices is not a libertarian issue.
Yeah,
If two 17 yr. old boys break into an abandoned building and vandalize the shit out of it, they get picked up, run for outstanding warrants, and returned to their parents.
If two 17 yr. old boys run a car they don’t own up on the curb without hitting anyone or damaging any property, the police pull them over, run them for outstanding warrants, and return them to their parents.
Fuck the “Muh oh-pressed secksual agency of minor gurls!” narrative bullshit.
That was basically my reaction to this silly take.
What exactly do we expect police to do with a 17 year old who is caught breaking the law? Give them a handshake and leave them to their business?
If they had determined that the young girls had been “trafficked” then arrested them, that would have been a reasonable take. “Hey, we’re arresting the people we’re trying to protect!”
But that’s literally not what happened here. It was determined that there was no trafficking involved, that the young girls had acted on their own accord, knowingly and willingly, had a certain amount of agency (I assume they’ll be remanded to the juvenile justice system) and off everyone went to suffer the consequences of their actions.
Again, aside from the libertarian meta (seks for bitcoin shouldn't be a crime), there’s no ‘sex-trafficking’ libertarian take than I can grok here, except someone is mad that someone got arrested for prostitution.
We, by which I mean many of the commentariat, gripe quite a bit about reasonmag's editors/enb viewing issues through the lens of their worldview. A worldview which doesn't always coincide with libertarian thinking, or individual rights. This piece was a good example of emotional and bias versus objective reporting.
Didn’t read it. Did ENB even focus on the libertarian argument that prostitution should be legal? Or was she to busy being disingenuous about the specific facts of this case?
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‘Which brings us to the sheriff’s contention that the two 17-year-olds in this case were acting voluntarily.’
I’ll bet the officers had sex with the girls before learning their ages (It’s common for cops to do the deed before the bust, can't resist adding insult to injury), and are now insisting they were doing it voluntarily so the cops won’t get charged with statutory rape.
Statutory rape does not require a lack of consent; it just requires one of the parties to be underage and the other party to be more than a little older. In fact, it’s usually consensual sex or the charge would be forcible rape and not statutory rape.
Exactly, and therein lies the only interesting tension in this whole situation. You can’t have a strict liability statutory rape law with an age of consent of 18 (Florida is 18) and also arrest and successfully prosecute a 17 year old for prostitution. If you buy the officers’ agency analysis, then you necessarily have to reject the strict liability statutory rape law with an age of consent of 18. This is almost certainly why the charges were dropped. I’d bet any amount of money that these cops would charge Joey 22 year old with statutory rape for consensually fucking Suzie 17 year old from a good family and who isn’t a street whore and never sniff the hypocrisy of their “agency” analysis re: these 17 year old whores.
You absolutely could, however, hit them with juvenile counts because their actions would be crimes if committed by adults.
Man ENB enough with the lying. All of the people in Florida died during the wuflu because of DeSantis policies. Geeze
And the only HUMAN TRAFFICKING in Florida involved flying migrants to Martha's Vineyard. Ask OBL.
They're immigrants seeking asylum, they have no agency.
Please, that human trafficking wasn't *in* Florida, get your narratives straight.
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Wait, so the authorities are coming right out and saying this had nothing to do with child trafficking (beyond the point that a child trafficking investigation was kicked off because legally, they were children) but discovered that these girls (who are at least a year older than libertarians say they need to be to vote) were not being 'trafficked' and so they were arrested for breaking the law they appeared to be willing to do, what with all of their adult agency involved in the transaction.
Aside from the meta view that sex crimes shouldn’t be crimes, what’s the libertarian angle here? Would the Reason article read differently if these were 40 yr old women doing the exact same thing?
Are you trying to say this is "too local"?
Children have agency, maaan. They make adult decisions all the time, maaaan.
Ok, they broke the law, so we’re arresting them.
They’re only children, maaaan, their frontal cortex isn’t even fully developed, maaaaan. Follow the scientism, maaan!
I wish Reason would try to discuss this a bit more. There is something here, but it's not elucidated well. It's an attempt at clickbait, basically.
This is where I and libertarianism drift away from one another like so much Wilson the Volleyball from Tom Hanks' raft.
I agree that people have agency and shouldn't be infantilized. But I also recognize that children are not adults and... what with our structures of law and justice, create a legal cutoff and clear demarcation to recognize that people of a certain age cannot be held fully responsible. I don't think children should be charged and tried as adults, but I also don't think your 10 yr old should be given the vote. I can believe both of those things at the same time.
I remember when the above study came out and the left creamed their pants about how The Science(tm) would force the state to recognize that children can't be held accountable for the stupid, criminal shit they do. I still remember the day NPR breathlessly reported the new findings and had all kinds of interviews with people excited that children will finally be recognized as not fully developed and so we could start emptying the juveniles out of prison. And I remember very clearly thinking about the left being utterly possessed by the idea of children voting. So I've kept that study in my back pocket and used it as a Red Card any time someone (almost always on the left) tries to suggest that your 4 yr old has enough agency to make life changing decisions (and in the case of the vote, life changing decisions for other people).
I don't think there is any absolute libertarian stance that disallows age of majority considerations (just like how it doesn't disallow considerations for mental incompetency or psychotic episodes or whatever, hard questions but not scriptural). I think there really is a hard problem which is mainline fusionist thinking has absorbed a lot of these concerns, and it is argued in conservative circles.
If you have a libertarianism that wants to be divorced from that, you get the more libertine side of things. While you see folks like Cato who do straddle the line. Reason used to as well.
As for juvenile prisons, there's a question of what prisons are even for there. We've really drifted from a pretty simple reason for them, which is to keep people who aren't interacting well with society away from society for a while. The big time out. And under that model, that a teen might not be culpable for their actions doesn't really matter much. If a teen is confused, and not under control of themselves and is going on shooting sprees because of it, it's not that crazy to put them away for a while.
It's complicated though, and that's where wonkiness is valuable. And it's also why I more often feel that I'm still a libertarian, but libertarianism has left me.
I think there really is a hard problem which is mainline fusionist thinking has absorbed a lot of these concerns, and it is argued in conservative circles.
I want to walk this back. I think there is something here, which is that a lot of the more reasonable libertarian stances have been absorbed in some way or another into other mainline movements, but I think I stated that too strongly and I haven't thought it through enough to really say it.
Libertarian stances infuse modern society, and are the skeleton of the law in all non-primitive, non-repressive societies. The only way radical libertarians stand out is in the degree and extent of exceptions everybody else makes.
Stated another way, practically everybody grants the value of libertarian concerns. They just differ with radical libertarians over how much it takes for other concerns to override the libertarian ones in various cases.
If a teen is confused, and not under control of themselves and is going on shooting sprees because of it, it’s not that crazy to put them away for a while.
Right, and we shouldn't put them away in the same place we put adults, and their sentences should be more lenient in some reasonable way.
But if they should learn to get along with adults, why shouldn't they be put in the same places as them?
I will add, that rule of law, and clearly defined rule of law, is actually essential to a libertarian thinking. To leave that goes to a more primal form of anarchy moreso than the enlightenment threads of libertarianism as a concept. They have shared roots, but they differ meaningfully.
This too is complicated, but everything is complicated, but the existence of a clearly defined age of majority is not anti-libertarian. I would argue that it’s a better system then actively creating a floating metric since that leads to even further capricious action on the part of government actors. And caprice is the hallmark of tyranny.
while some libertarians have gotten themselves noticed by making big inflammatory statements, there is absolutely nothing libertarian about reducing the age of consent. it is not a part of our philosophy/policy proposals/platform/anything officially tied to the party or the movement.
when someone is considered as an adult is defined by society. while it was younger in past ages, anyone who seriously thinks society is ready to consider anyone under 18 an adult is a bit out of touch.
> while it was younger in past ages, anyone who seriously thinks society is ready to consider anyone under 18 an adult is a bit out of touch.
I just want it to be consistently applied. You want 16 year olds to vote? Ok, well, they get guns, too...
I’m ok with being inconsistent but only when talking about their agency concerning actions which affect themselves (responsibility for crimes) vs actions which affect others (voting and gun ownership).
Gun ownership affects themselves. It’s a natural right to defend yourself.
Reason, and people like Jeff, are not “libertarianism”. There’s a reason the Mises Caucus felt the need to take the party over. And despite the crying and slander of people like Brandyfuck, it’s not to make the party MAGA racists.
The Mises crowd are not "libertarianism". They are Ron Paul Republicans who share the exact same cultural biases as your typical right-winger.
A libertarian defends liberty *for its own sake*. A libertarian does not need to ask questions about whether a certain policy will help or hurt Team Blue or Team Red - if it advances the cause of liberty, then it should be promoted. You will typically not find that around the Mises-friendly crowd around here. When Biden announced his marijuana pardons, how many people around here were desperately looking for a way to discredit it? "Oh, they were people who pled down from more serious charges." "Oh, Biden is just using this as a way to boost his prospects for the midterms." "Oh, this doesn't really affect all that many people so it's meaningless." None of that matters - if it frees pot smokers from cages, then it is a good thing, regardless. But you will not find that from the Mises crowd.
Your analysis has been shown to be so consistently disingenuous and discredit that your opinions are worthless.
“When Biden announced his marijuana pardons, how many people around here were desperately looking for a way to discredit it? “
Reason discredited it.
https://reason.com/2022/10/24/bidens-marijuana-pardons-did-not-free-a-single-federal-prisoner-or-deliver-the-expungement-he-promised/
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You’re my bitch Lying Jeffy. I’m the real libertarian here. Nobody can link to me making anti-libertarian statements. Yet even Dee and sarc have called you out as a left wing propagandist that wants to mutilate children. (I will give sarc and dee credit for drawing a line here, it’s noteworthy)
I will give ENB that the sex trafficking angle is just another bs way for PDs and pols to scare up some coin in a budget request. That said, it's not much different from her takes on every 'infringement' of sex workers' rights, 'abortion rights, and navel gazing over the wonders of maternity. Silly bullshit from one group looks much like silly bullshit from another.
ENB has done some good work in debunking the Liam Neeson-style sex-trafficking claims of young, middle class white women having a chloroform rag shoved into their face as they leave their Pilates class and sold into prostitution.
But that literally isn’t this. In fact, the authorities were basically on her side. They came in, saw under aged girls, looked at it and after careful consideration, realized everyone had agency, everyone knew what they were doing, there was no coercion or “sex trafficking” and as a result, arrests were made and justice dispensed accordingly. No, the police didn’t immediately leave the scene because they realized that selling-sex-for-money-being-a-crime was totes incompatible with hip-swiveling libertarianism. But that’s not news. Prostitution is illegal in most jurisdictions in America. So prostitutes get arrested for prostitution. Unless you live in a progressive, bluer-than-blue-found-in-nature blue area, and then you still think sex for money is a crime, but only for the buyer, not the seller, because the seller is *checks notes* being sex-trafficked and is nothing more than a sex-worker... you know, like working at Starbucks.
This article seems like unnecessary whining. The police picked up all involved reviewed the facts. The minors were not charged. Sounds like the right thing was done. What's the bitching about?
Reason seems to have a blind spot about pimps, who are the scum of the earth.
But it's necessary.
No way, man. Malcolm X was a fucking hero. Who cares if his profession subjugated women? At least he wasn't mean to natives, like that scumbag, Abraham Lincoln.
Malcolm X's best point was that he had white liberals pegged as the fake-ass shitheads they are, and said so. Hero for that, at least, even if the left has done all it can to pretend it never happened.
By the way... the age of consent in Florida is 18... not 16.
CB
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I posted them in the other thread about Old Nick's Pub in Oregon.
"Sex trafficking" is one of the most pervasive myths in the ever more gullible America.
First off, if you agree with the idea of bodily autonomy, then that includes sex work. Instead, I hear ppl giving the tired old Right-wing mantra of "do the crime, then do the time".
Second, as ENB pointed out, this is more about a sheriff's office racking up arrests - any arrests - more for publicity than actual public safety.
Third, before you make obnoxious and ill-informed comments about transgender ppl and gender-affirming medical care, look up the facts - especially that the guidelines of such care rarely include surgical intervention before the patient is 18, and even then not without considerable discussion by the care team with the patient & parents.
"Instead, I hear ppl giving the tired old Right-wing mantra of “do the crime, then do the time”.
Tell us all about J6 again and what should happen to the protesters.
If surgical intervention before age 18 is "rare", then there should be no problem with making it illegal.
As for the rest, you get your bodily autonomy as soon as I get mine. I'm unwilling to be enslaved to the state while giving you everything you demand.
First off, if you agree with the idea of bodily autonomy, then that includes sex work. Instead, I hear ppl giving the tired old Right-wing mantra of “do the crime, then do the time”.
It's out-of-touch retards all the way down.
Cops don't care who they arrest. As long as they can ruin someone's life they're happy.
That's it in a nutshell.
They're just as happy to shoot your dog as they are to shoot you.
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Jesus Fcking Christ. Here you are, an actual adult and all, still writing articles like you don’t know the average cop IQ is 50 and the only good cop is a dead cop.
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Amen. $20 says these same fucking idiot cops have charged some 22 year old with statutory rape for consensually fucking a 17 year old. Yet they arrest these 17 year olds for prostitution when they knew they were minors as they used this fact to justify the trafficking sting measures. So, in Florida, a 17 year old lacks agency to fuck her very young adult boyfriend but has agency to fuck strangers for cash…as long as both lead to arrests.
If those arrests mean more sex traffickers get busted, so be it. You two also missed the fact that the two minors were not charged.
But they weren't charged.
They were arrested and detained for prostitution when the cops knew they were minors. Florida law says they absolutely cannot under any circumstance consent to sex until they are 18. And the cops say no trafficking because "agency". If you don't see the conflict with that, I can't help you. They only weren't charged because a prosecutor or a law enforcement superior explained to these goons why the charges wouldn't stick. And, Truthfulness, your ends-justify-the-means even if the means is police misconduct and arrest for a non-crime comment is anti-libertarian, bootlicking bullshit.
Who said they were charged? Neither I nor Winnie said they were. We didn't miss shit, check your reading comp fuckwad. That’s fine if you are ok with cops arresting people for non-crimes as long as they ultimately aren’t charged and maliciously prosecuted to an obvious pre-trial dispositive motion of some kind in defendants’ favor, but I’m not.
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I hate underage young girls "human trafficking" old adult men! (sarc)
I had to reread "Vices are not Crimes" by Lysander Spooner. The essay drily reports that Massachussetts' mystical prigs sent men with guns to forbid beer while at the same time blessing actual prostitution of ten-year-old girls. Remember Orkut? Google did away with the app following reports of its popularity among girls selling sex--in countries were adult prostitution is as legal as sea salt. Meantime, DOJ spends stolen cash on setting honey traps rather than on repealing bad laws.
No. Do you really think the principals in cases like this are motivated by a desire to rescue slaves? They're just anti-prostitution.
I don't think you're naive, so you're playing dumb.
They keep justifying their efforts by pretending they are stopping "human trafficking" and rescuing "victims" - whom they usually arrest and frequently jail. So it's important to keep reminding everyone that they are liars, enforcing laws against victimless crimes, and any true libertarian should be calling for vice squads to be disbanded and the cops employed by them should be looking for other jobs.