'Pro-Democracy' Journalism's Problem With the Facts
Influential media critic Margaret Sullivan demonstrates the perils of letting narrative get ahead of verification.

Newsroom Confidential: Lessons (and Worries) from an Ink-Stained Life, by Margaret Sullivan, St. Martin's, 288 pages, $28.99
It takes all of two paragraphs in her memoir-cum-polemic Newsroom Confidential for press critic Margaret Sullivan to unwittingly undermine her thesis that journalism in the age of Donald Trump needs to "shout…from the rooftops" that the fate of democracy itself hinges on the victory of truth over (mostly right-wing) lies.
"By the spring" of 2021, Sullivan writes, in a passage deploring conservative "denialism" about the January 6 Capitol riot, "a Republican congressman would describe the violent attack as something that looked like 'a normal tourist visit.'"
Sullivan, the recently retired Washington Post media columnist best known for her 2012–2016 stint as New York Times public editor, does not name the allegedly denialist congressman, so I did a quick search to double-check the quote and context. It was Rep. Andrew Clyde (R–Ga.), at a May 2021 House Committee on Oversight and Reform hearing titled "The Capitol Insurrection: Unexplained Delays and Unanswered Questions," at which he began his remarks like this:
This hearing is called "The Capitol Insurrection." Let's be honest with the American people: It was not an insurrection, and we cannot call it that and be truthful.
The Cambridge English Dictionary defines insurrection as, and I quote, "an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence." And then, from The Century Dictionary, "the act of rising against civil authority or governmental restraint, specifically the armed resistance of a number of persons to the power of the state."
As one of the members who stayed in the Capitol and on the House floor, who with other Republican colleagues helped barricade the door until almost 3 p.m. that day from the mob who tried to enter, I can tell you: The House floor was never breached, and it was not an insurrection.
This is the truth: There was an undisciplined mob, there were some rioters, and some who committed acts of vandalism. But let me be clear: There was no insurrection, and to call it an insurrection, in my opinion, is a bold-faced lie. Watching the TV footage of those who entered the Capitol and walked through Statuary Hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes taking videos and pictures. You know, if you didn't know the TV footage was a video from January the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit.
There were no firearms confiscated from anyone breaching the Capitol. Also, the only shot fired on January the 6th was from a Capitol Police officer who killed an unarmed protester, Ashli Babbitt.
We can argue over the word "insurrection" and its applicability to January 6. (Sullivan for one uses it as her default descriptor.) We can definitely criticize Clyde for expending his valuable time during an important hearing about an appalling event policing language instead of pointing fingers at his own political party. But what we cannot do, if we are serious about journalistic truth, is assert that the congressman was "describ[ing] the violent attack as something that looked like 'a normal tourist visit.'"
Clyde plainly described the attackers as "an undisciplined mob" that included "some rioters, and some who committed acts of vandalism." A normal tourist visit that is not. The congressman's controversy-generating formulation was applied to a discrete piece of TV footage and a specific viewing condition: If someone did not know about the January 6 connection, and happened to watch the clip "of those who entered the Capitol and walked through Statuary Hall…in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes taking videos and pictures," that viewer would not have found it particularly unusual. An actual insurrection, he was positing (somewhat hyperbolically, given the number of flagpoles and trespassers who ventured outside the roped-off path), would not include violence-free scenes like that; ergo, he concluded, the hearing's very name was an improper exaggeration.
These distinctions were of little interest to a press corps that has increasingly taken the advice of Sullivan and her generation of media critics in preferencing "moral clarity" over traditional "objectivity," and in rejecting "false equivalence" and "bothsidesism" in the face of asymmetrical lying by authoritarian conservatives. Sensitively attuned for signs of GOP truth-washing, journalists plucked Clyde's quote out of context to bolster a larger and more important narrative than any piddling linguistic difference between "riot" and "insurrection."
"A GOP congressman compared Capitol rioters to tourists. Photos show him barricading a door," The Washington Post breathlessly reported six days later. NBC, leaning into the Trump-era journalistic fad of naming and shaming Republican falsehoods, invented a falsehood of its own in its lead paragraph:
Multiple Republican members of Congress on Wednesday offered a false retelling of the devastating events that occurred during the Capitol riot, with one calling the entire event a "bold faced lie" that more closely resembled a "normal tourist visit" than a deadly attack.
Clyde did not call "the entire event" a "bold faced lie" (whatever that might mean); he said that describing it as an "insurrection" was.
Scores of news organizations, and Sullivan herself, could have prevented botching a serious accusation by conducting 90 seconds of research. The fact that they did not contributes to one of the very trends they abhor—the collapse of public trust in journalism, particularly among conservatives.
"I left conversations like this feeling almost sickened," Sullivan recounts in her book, after receiving anti-media earfuls during a post-2016-election listening tour of Republican districts. "I couldn't help but recognize that when it came to acknowledging basic truths, huge swaths of America were very far gone." Unfortunately for her professional cohort, that feeling is often mutual.
How can journalists (and news consumers) break the self-reinforcing doom-loop between media and citizen? It's a damnably hard and important question. Sullivan articulated one sound approach back in September 2012: "The more news organizations can state established truths and stand by them," she wrote in one of her first pieces as New York Times public editor, "the better off the readership—and the democracy—will be."
Ten years on, Sullivan emphasizes more the confidence of asserting truths rather than the meticulousness of marshaling the supporting evidence. Her writing vibrates with pleasure when recounting such favorite zingers as "Fox News has become an American plague," and it boils to a righteous fury when regarding Trump: "I continually felt that irrational anger like an unending blast of liquid poison from an industrial-strength hose." But the prose plods to a crawl when detailing the meat-and-potatoes journalism of being editor of the Buffalo News. Arguing vituperatively about national politics at the top of the media pyramid is pretty fun, turns out!
Readers of Newsroom Confidential are well advised to keep a search tab open to check Sullivan's claims. Among them: that Russia "interfere[d] with the [2016] election, and did so very effectively," that Facebook ("one of the chief enemies of democracy") "became a pawn in Russia's disinformation campaign in the United States," and that the social media company's "endless misdeeds" included "the ones that spread lies and helped Trump get elected." Such statements may be articles of faith among many Democrats and journalists, but some of us attend different churches, and require more verification.
In the book's second paragraph about January 6 "denialism," Sullivan also accuses Mike Pence of "trying to sow doubt" about the event during an October 2021 Fox News interview with Sean Hannity, stating that "the vice president downplayed the insurrection as merely 'one day in January.'"
What did Pence actually say? "January 6 was a tragic day in the history of our Capitol building. But thanks to the efforts of Capitol Hill police, federal officials, the Capitol was secured. We finished our work." Then the ex-veep tried gamely (and lamely) to change the subject in a way more palatable to Fox viewers: "I know the media wants to distract from the Biden administration's failed agenda by focusing on one day in January. They want to use that one day to try and demean the…character and intentions of 74 million Americans."
Minimization? Maybe. Diversion? Absolutely. Sowing doubt? Two Pinocchios.
The strangest part about Sullivan's hyperbole in the cause of greater truth is that the biggest victim here is her target demographic: journalists. Despite flattering them with the cringe-inducing moniker of "reality-based press," she repeatedly caricaturizes their allegedly stubborn professional resistance to jumping off the objectivity fence.
"Should they call out the lies?" Sullivan writes, imagining the Hamlet-like internal deliberations of Trump-era news organizations. "Should they bend over backward to normalize political behavior that was blasting through every guardrail of democracy? Should they try to look even-handed and neutral at any cost, giving equal treatment of both sides of a political conflict, even if the two sides aren't equally valid? They didn't seem to know. And too often, they seemed to be in a defensive crouch, while right-wing commentators branded them as left-wing activists."
News consumers who aren't partisan Democrats will have a hard time recognizing the newsrooms Sullivan portrays. And those familiar with the media controversies she zips through will be downright baffled by how someone so pious about calling out Republican falsehoods can in the next breath minimize the journalistic transgressions of people she finds more sympathetic.
"I admire Nikole Hannah-Jones of The New York Times for her bravery and vision in writing about the influence on American history of enslaved people's arrival in the English colonies in 1619," Sullivan writes. Er, OK, but what about the 1619 Project's well-documented historical flaws and Hannah-Jones's unprofessional response to criticism? "Her introductory essay won the 2020 Pulitzer Prize for commentary, and it kicked off an incredible furor among those who refused to make room for what it had to say. Despite the pushback (a tiny portion of which was grounded in objections by a few historians to some of the project's assertions), it accomplished its goals." So: scoreboard.
Sullivan expresses genuine anguish about having had to criticize the deeply flawed New York Times nail-salons exposé by Sarah Maslin Nir, calling it "one of the most stressful episodes" of her public-editorship. "I had the feeling of betraying the young sisterhood who had reached out to me," she writes, while repeatedly stressing the "virtues" of Nir's investigation. (To see Reason's more direct critique, which Sullivan does not mention in the book but addressed in 2015, start here.)
During and after the media's nervous breakdown over race in the summer of 2020, Sullivan tried to ride the tiger of the young newsroom staffs busy defenestrating their elders. "It's the kind of mess that American journalists could come out of stronger and better if they—and the American people they serve—grapple with some difficult questions," she wrote in June 2020.
In Newsroom Confidential she marches through a series of firings, resignations and lawsuits (Donald McNeil, Jr., James Bennet, Felicia Somnez, etc.), and regards the conflicts more as overdue correctives than panicky personnel decisions. "Often, I was [on] the side of what was disparagingly and falsely called the 'woke mob'—the younger, more diverse staffers who were supposedly running roughshod through Big Journalism's newsrooms," she writes, again making bold assertions without supporting evidence. "If 'mob,' a misnomer, meant that staff finally had enough strength in numbers to force long-delayed change at hidebound institutions, I could get behind that."
That cavalier approach to due process foreshadows what is the worst part of most nonfiction books, but this one especially—the inevitable what is to be done chapter near the end.
Sounding a lot like someone cramming for a last-minute pop quiz on policy, Sullivan rat-a-tats a bunch of ideas guaranteed to make civil libertarians squirm. "Those who care about truth must do everything in their power to minimize the harm caused by those media outlets and platforms that traffic in lies and conspiracy theories," she begins, unpromisingly. "Responsible lawsuits…will be a necessary part of this. Advertising boycotts can help. So will efforts to reduce the revenue of news organizations that spread misinformation—Fox News, in particular—by limiting the amount of money they make from lucrative cable transmission fees."
The suggestions get worse with social media. There's the "meaningful regulation to counter the excesses of the social media platforms," amending Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (albeit "cautiously"), and "changing laws that shield digital platforms, like Facebook, from being held legally responsible for the content they magnify and amplify via their algorithms." What could go wrong?
"All of this," Sullivan graciously concedes, "has to be carefully balanced with preserving free speech, but First Amendment concerns shouldn't be used as an all-powerful shield against regulation." Thank God there are people besides journalists out there interested in protecting the First Amendment.
With increasingly open attacks on liberalism coming from both major parties, the problems of journalism—in both production and consumption—are real and pressing, if melodramatically stated by Sullivan. ("Above all, the reality-based press should rededicate itself to being pro-democracy," she writes. "Then, I think, America gets a fighting chance.")
There's another new book that tackles largely the same set of issues, sharing many of Sullivan's underlying concerns, yet comes out with diametrically opposed recommendations. Broken News—by former Fox News reporter Chris Stirewalt, who was booted from the network after his Decision Desk called the 2020 presidential race early for Joe Biden in Arizona—complains that, "Just at the exact moment where it would have been most important for journalists to maintain the highest possible standards for objectivity, big-time news dove in the mud with Trump, where he had home field advantage."
Stirewalt, who shares Sullivan's alarm at "the growing appetite for demagoguery among Republicans and Americans in general," sees a trap in news organizations spending "so much time dumping on the coverage of competitors"—consumers' national political hatreds are being profitably organized on the cheap, without much in the way of relevant factual nutrients.
"Media criticism," Stirewalt charges, "has become its own rancid subculture inside the already rotten media business….[It's] a great way to keep addicted consumers from straying. The message is obvious: Aren't you glad you're not like them, and are here with the other smart, virtuous people?"
With the recent cancellation of CNN's long-running journalism-analysis show Reliable Sources, and with the ongoing struggles of properties such as The Washington Post to maintain audience with Trump out of office, we could be entering in a new era for media criticism and elite self-examination. Margaret Sullivan dominated that field over the past decade; here's hoping that whoever takes her place resists taking the partisan bait.
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"with the ongoing struggles of properties such as The Washington Post to maintain audience with Trump out of office, we could be entering in a new era for media criticism and elite self-examination"
Thats good for a solid LOL.
The only thing they will learn, is that the stupid peasants will respect them more if they just authoritarian harder next time. That's about as deep as the self-exam will go
It’s called propaganda.
Propaganda utilizes the coercion of lying to manipulate people to act in the interest of others instead of their own.
There is only one fair and just way to protect people from this abuse, criminalize lying everywhere like it already necessarily is in court and contracts.
Don’t trust any group to police themselves.
The people that would enforce the criminalization of lying are the same people telling the propagandists what to say.
Laws are made by politicians. Laws are enforced by the judicial system.
When lying is codified in law, it will apply equally to everyone.
If you’re still concerned, how do you deal with your concerns that the system will fail with all our other laws?
I certainly don’t call for more laws that I know will be selectively enforced.
That you, “know will be selectively enforced.”
How do you know that?
What other laws do you know are “selectively enforced”?
Admit that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
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Lying to the FBI.
Now fuck off you smug, stupid asshole.
Not “selectively enforced” but acceptably enforced in accordance with a poorly codified law.
“Not every false statement will necessarily result in a criminal charge. Like with most statutes, there are important exceptions for the charge of lying to an FBI agent. An experienced attorney can advise if your statements might have put you in legal jeopardy, and provide you with a plan to defend yourself.”
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"...Propaganda utilizes the coercion of lying to manipulate people to act in the interest of others instead of their own..."
So sayeth one of the most renown liars to comment here.
Fuck off, nazi scumbag.
To be fair, I think he actually believes the idiotic, insane shit he spews. With visions of swastikas I’m his head, and plans for everyone.
Neither you or anyone else here has ever refuted anything that I’ve said much less proven that I have lied.
Unlike you who I have proven to be a liar time and again.
Rob Misek 3 days ago (edited)
One comment is all it takes to expose a liar.
That’s why liars will always lose. The most elaborate lie can be exposed, refuted, defeated with the simplest truth, reality. While truth itself can never be refuted.
You seem to think you can mince your words to create plausible deniability, that is after all what liars do, but commensurate with the stupidity of all liars you slip up, and with every lie a body of evidence belies your true character. A lying waste of skin.
You claim to be ambivalent toward US involvement in Ukraine but your comment linking an article supporting NASCAR sending munitions to Ukraine in response to an article advocating that private companies in the US should “step up” with humanitarian aid, exposes your surreptitious but true priority.
Simultaneously, while you demonize others as liars you have been demonstrated to be a liar and support liars time and again.
Umpteen times I have challenged you to prove your repeated claims that you’ve witnessed that something I’ve said has been refuted and never have you done so. Instead you cut and run.
Just two days ago you said you “quoted” me but when I denied saying what you claimed you admitted that you had no reference to quote. You had lied.
You promised that when I lied again, you would copy that reference and refute me. I immediately reposted my evidence that refutes the holocaust for you to make good on your claim, promise. Of course you didn’t. You cut and run again. What better proof is there that you lie when you say my comments have been refuted?
Everyone here sees how your schtick is vulgar ad hominem attacks on anyone who presents arguments that refute yours, or represent what you deny. In this alone you are completely transparent.
Lastly you support Judaism, a religion that openly advocates lying.
You’re a demonstrated liar, you advocate lying and when challenged you cut and run and pile lies on top of lies.
I recognize that you won’t admit to any of this, but because it’s true you will never refute it. I’m satisfied with these optics.
“Rob Misek 3 days ago (edited)
One comment is all it takes to expose a liar.
That’s why liars will always lose. The most elaborate lie can be exposed, refuted, defeated with the simplest truth, reality. While truth itself can never be refuted.
You seem to think you can mince your words to create plausible deniability, that is after all what liars do, but commensurate with the stupidity of all liars you slip up, and with every lie a body of evidence belies your true character. A lying waste of skin.
You claim to be ambivalent toward US involvement in Ukraine but your comment linking an article supporting NASCAR sending munitions to Ukraine in response to an article advocating that private companies in the US should “step up” with humanitarian aid, exposes your surreptitious but true priority.
Simultaneously, while you demonize others as liars you have been demonstrated to be a liar and support liars time and again.
Umpteen times I have challenged you to prove your repeated claims that you’ve witnessed that something I’ve said has been refuted and never have you done so. Instead you cut and run.
Just two days ago you said you “quoted” me but when I denied saying what you claimed you admitted that you had no reference to quote. You had lied.
You promised that when I lied again, you would copy that reference and refute me. I immediately reposted my evidence that refutes the holocaust for you to make good on your claim, promise. Of course you didn’t. You cut and run again. What better proof is there that you lie when you say my comments have been refuted?
Everyone here sees how your schtick is vulgar ad hominem attacks on anyone who presents arguments that refute yours, or represent what you deny. In this alone you are completely transparent.
Lastly you support Judaism, a religion that openly advocates lying.
You’re a demonstrated liar, you advocate lying and when challenged you cut and run and pile lies on top of lies.
I recognize that you won’t admit to any of this, but because it’s true you will never refute it. I’m satisfied with these optics.”
http://reason.com/2022/10/10/putin-have-you-panicked-you-can-survive-a-nuclear-exchange/?comments=true#comments
10 minutes is an unreasonably short editing window.
Lastly you support Judaism, a religion that openly advocates lying.
Stay classy, fascist shitstain.
“Stay classy”
I am. You’re not. Refute it.
Here is the Kol Nidre text. The holiest Jewish prayer on the holiest Jewish day is clearly a plan to lie to people.
“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
Did a Jewish girl turn down your sexual advances?
Or was it a Jewish boy?
You are a Nazi.
As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.
You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know you can not measure up.
You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your betters.
You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would tell it.
You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe out the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of National Socialism.
Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults. Freedom of choice terrifies you… which is why you choose minor children as sexual partners. You can not interact with competent adults in a consensually sexual way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a helpless victim, be it a prepubescent boy, or a patient in a mental hospital.
That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or honest about it.
You’re only telling your cherished bogeyman tale. It has no bearing on me.
This is how I clearly and unambiguously ensure that what I say represents truth, reality.
I value the inalienable human right to free speech.
I value the supremacy of correctly applied logic and science in discerning and demonstrating truth aka reality.
I value the application of both in open debate to conclude and demonstrate that truth can never be refuted while untruths can be.
I commit that if what I say is ever refuted, I’ll never say it again.
Who else can honestly say this and back it up as I do?
Does this represent the character of your bogeyman?
I challenge you to describe how you or anyone else has refuted anything I’ve said and prove your claim with a link to the alleged conversation.
This is where all you lying, bleating, waste of skin trolls cut and run.
"Neither you or anyone else here has ever refuted anything that I’ve said much less proven that I have lied...."
You're a lying pile of shit; you've had your face wiped with the shit you claim is "evidence" every time you've posted it, and then a day later comeback and lie about it again.
Fcuk off and die, nazi scumbag.
I’ve called your bluff and you lost, never proving your claim.
Repeating it only demonstrates your delusion.
Post your so-called evidence again; this time I'll save the debunking of the nazi-bullshiter and wipe your face in it every time you repeat your lies, fuckface.
You’ve made the same claim only weeks ago and reneged when I immediately gave you the opportunity you requested.
Now you repeat your loser bluff days after the article has moved to the back pages and the last comment was posted.
You’ve demonstrated yourself to be a troll. The next time you troll one of my recent posts as you always do, when other commentators are observing, I’ll repost the evidence that refutes the holocaust as told.
I’ll challenge you again to refute what I said and use this thread to prove for the umpteenth time that you’re a lying waste of skin.
Unlike your false claims, I’ll do it,
You do you. Be a troll.
You would be sentenced to life in prison for your Nazi crackpot Holocaust denying bullshit.
Prove it.
You do; every time you post here, shitbag.
Very unlibertarian, and very subjective. Kind of like a "disinformation governance board" right?
What’s “unlibertarian”, criminalizing coercion?
How do “libertarians” deal with coercion?
with the ongoing struggles of properties such as The Washington Post to maintain audience with Trump out of office
Welch thinks the lying was okay when Trump was in office. Otherwise his being out of office would have no bearing on it being the time for media self examination.
Hashtag; having principles.
This almost feels like a "they did it too" so if they apologize it counts as us apologizing. Reason will never admit they fell for many lies pushed by captured media the last 6 years. That they lost their way on many principles.
I don't think they "fell for" the lies. Most of them range from "supporting the lies" to "not caring about them" because the goal is worthy.
Yeah, you don't write articles in the exact way that Reason did if you were fooled. It's exactly like that disgusting Reuters 'fact check' yesterday. They spent the entire article carefully ignoring the actual argument (if vaccine doesn't stop transmission, mandates are dumb) so that they could state the claim that Pfizer didn't test to stop transmission as "misleading."
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/gaslighting-isnt-even-a-thing-youre
we could be entering in a new era for media criticism and elite self-examination
Yeah, good luck with that. One of the hallmarks of the elite is that they are never wrong and therefore never need to examine their premises. It is reality that is flawed when their theories are tested against the real world. Witness for example John Kerry. Where did he get his doctorate in climate science? Oh, that's right, he doesn't know a goddamn thing about science, therefore he never has to examine his certitude on the matter.
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“the fate of democracy itself hinges on the victory of truth over (mostly right-wing) lies.”
So how would Welchie boy deal with right-wing lies? Oh that’s right:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12
It is bad enough that he wrote that. It is forgivable, however. Everyone engages in hyperbole and says stupid things they shouldn't sometimes. What is not forgivable is that Welch never deleted it. In three years he never felt ashamed of it or thought there was anything wrong with saying such a thing. That tweet wasn't a mistake made in the heat of the moment. It shows exactly what Welch thinks.
Where does reason find these people? God what a loathsome bunch.
Maybe we need to storm the halls of Reason. It might not change things but could be fun to see all the wet panties.
Get DeSantis to send a few buses of illegals up to DuPont Circle. Drop them off right in front of the Reason offices during business hours. And maybe a few more in front of Welch and Suderman's homes. That would be some made for TV entertainment.
Don't let Fiona off the hook, she can do with a dozen or so new roomates.
I'm sure she'd love to have open borders for her house.
As long as they are smuggling abortion pills.
Wow, what a pathetic attempt to play butch.
-jcr
Welch should be careful. He might throw the party and then have people show up, and then what would he do? I presume conservative journalists can generally kick the shit out of the lefty cocktail set. And are the ones likely to actually be armed.
Welch is welcome to try with me. Although he strikes me as the sort to hide behind government’s skirt. Just like every leftist here.
Also, media continuing to go full throttle on the Orwellian playbook.
If you hear misinformation, there is almost a guarantee its something they just dont want you to see. Russian misinformation? That's a lock.
The "DEMOCRACY!" crowd seems to keep finding the most authoritarian, anti-free speech, anti-populist folks. They are pro-democracy...on the condition that the democratic process affirms their control and power.
Liberty is an existential threat to "democracy". It is known.
Whenever I hear the word "misinformation" I'm reminded of a quote from a late 90's video game - Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. It was from an ostensible UN type leader by the name of Pravin Lal.
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
Of course this was back in the bad old days when threats to your liberty and autonomy were assumed to always and everywhere come from those evil rethuglicans.
But, it was also about the same time that I dropped my subscription to on dead tree Reason.
“With increasingly open attacks on liberalism coming from both major parties,”
Whew. There it is. Had me worried for a minute there Matt.
This is only true if you define liberalism as left wing authoritarianism. Fuck off Welch you leftist POS.
Calling them 'liberals' is an insult to classical liberals everywhere, who are a more comfortable sort of neighbor than todays Progressive monsters.
"Influential media critic Margaret Sullivan demonstrates the perils of letting narrative get ahead of verification."
when can we expect Marge's critique on Russia, C. Steele, Adam Schiff, etc.
I read that there will be trumpets, a loud shout, and a descending from the clouds.
Also eternal fire freezing over. And flying pigs.
The facts that have come out of the Dachenko trial regarding the FBI are alarming. We have 3 sullum articles on trump nuclear documents that seem to be lies, yet zero Reason articles on the Dachenko trial showing FBI abuses. Mainstream media outside of a handful of sites is also silent.
The entire media is on the government payroll these days, thanks to the 'modernization' of Smith-Mundt.
Language matters. The word "insurrection" means something. What happened on January 6th wasn't an insurrection. To call it that is to lie. And to point that out is not "policing language". It is insisting on the truth. Welch being a paid professional liar, doesn't see the importance of insisting on the truth. So, Welch sees anyone who does so as just being pedantic and missing the real issue of slandering Republicans.
Strozk was on MSNBC last nice with Nicole Wallace. She said j6 was the deadliest attack on the Capitol in US history then Strokz followed up with it was worse than 9/11. Was weird.
Just ignore the leftists who have blown up offices and in the 1970s took over the House Floor and held everyone there hostage. A guy dressed like an Indian taking Pelosi's lectern is the worst thing ever!!
It is just pathetic.
Or, you know, 1814 when it was literally burned to the fucking ground.
Now we know where shitbag Tony gets 'informed'.
When the word is central to the whole argument, it is rather important to get the meaning right. Or at least agree upon a meaning.
Newspeak isn’t just a river in Egypt.
Fascists gotta do fascism.
(Goebbels would be so proud of her)
She is vicious looking old broad. She looks like someone who auditioned to play Delores Umbridge but didn't get the part because the producers thought casting her would make the character too dark and needlessly terrorize children. Beyond snakes and heights, I am not afraid of much in this world, but that top picture creeps the hell out of me.
She'd have done OK as Voldemort, though.
What is worse: a true-believing fascist or a cynical, opportunistic fascist?
The true believer. The cynical fascist might do the right thing for the wrong reason.
RE: C.S. Lewis God In The Dock
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
Great quote; Thanks, I'm glad someone besides me posted it this time.
The fact that they did not contributes to one of the very trends they abhor—the collapse of public trust in journalism, particularly among conservatives.
The only trend the toadies abhor is Democrats loosing votes.
Um, once again: it's not "pro-democracy" media; it's "pro-Democrats" media.
As for soul searching and self-examination, do you think that will include 2016?
Don't these ghouls need souls to search? There isn't a position they hold that is not evil or in service of evil.
[I]t boils to a righteous fury when regarding Trump: "I continually felt that irrational anger like an unending blast of liquid poison from an industrial-strength hose."
TDS is real. Hell, even she admits it was irrational.
They were just as nuts over George W. Bush. They are just childish lunatics.
They were nuts over Reagan, too. What's different today is that they don't have to pretend.
-jcr
And Nixon before that and Goldwater before that. They have been lunatics for a very long time.
Nixon was actually a pretty huge cunt, even just measured by what he actually accomplished.
Goldwater was a hit job, and was continually and constantly destroyed by the media much like some other modern politicians we might see torn down without cause today. And in that case, it was because he saw the writing on the wall and told the truth about it; an unforgivable flaw in a politician.
Nixon was a cunt but by the standards set by Kennedy and Johnson, Nixon was a regular Mr. Smith goes to Washington.
What a dumb cvnt
"Insurrection"? "Riot"? Why don't I hear people using the term we used to for events like this: "sit-in"?
We can argue over the word "insurrection" and its applicability to January 6.
It's an idiotic claim. You don't show up unarmed for an insurrection.
-jcr
^This.
Its been said many times before. The portion of the population who most despises govt and congress, the same portion that is the most likely to own multiple firearms (and know how to use them well), decided the day they were going to 'commit an insurrection' was the day that NO ONE showed up armed, and ZERO govt officials were harmed.
It was a protest that got out of control and turned into a riot. That is the most harsh interpretation that lines up with the facts.
Just like the sit-ins of old.
You mean the Kavanaugh hearings?
Anything about Trump is/was lathered in hyperbole.
Trump had kids in concentration camps on the border for example.
There was a place where people took territory by force and declared it was no longer part of the USA. Wasn't on the East coast.
She's a garden-variety lefturd propagandist cunt. Why is Reason giving her any attention?
-jcr
Because she works for the Washington Post and every staffer at reason spends their time angling for a job at a more prestigious publication like the Post.
Further, it's no coincidence that the Reasoners who achieve that goal are the ones who best prove their political suitability. The key to becoming the token non-leftist in leftist press is letting them know when it really counts your hatred for the non-left counts more than your minor disagreements with them. Hence, Weigel.
"Sullivan, the recently retired Washington Post media columnist..."
Don't need to read any farther.
Letting the narrative get in front of the truth and facts...
Instead of asking this progressive Democrat twit, maybe it would be better to ask someone like Glen Greenwald and/or Matt Taibbi. Both have written extensively on the topic, observing the narrative people like Sullivan push day-in and day-out.
Greenwald and Taibbi are probably the two most interesting and important writers today. And they are writing about civil rights and government overreach, and the corruption of corporations and private institutions by government, and a whole bunch of other issues that should be of interest to Libertarians. Yet, reason has never once invited them to do a guest column or appear on a podcast or even written about their writing. It is as if they don't exist.
That is awfully odd behavior for a self proclaimed "libertarian magazine".
You misspelled "liberaltarian".
They have a few things on Greenwald. But nothing since 2020 as far as I can see.
Maybe guns? Not sure were Greenwald stands on that?
I have no idea. One thing I like about Greenwald is that he doesn't make his personal politics a big part of his reporting.
My guess is that since he has very powerful enemies and a dedicated security force, he understands the power of an armed populace.
But I don't know for sure.
I'll take "Mendacious Cunts" for $2000, Ken
roommates. That $1k each for Welch and Sullivan or $4k total for the pair?
I just had an idea for a new version of ‘The Odd Couple’. Starring Matt Welch and Joe Rogan.
Can they have a MMA cage in the living room? Please, please!
Then the ex-veep tried gamely (and lamely) to change the subject in a way more palatable to Fox viewers: "I know the media wants to distract from the Biden administration's failed agenda by focusing on one day in January. They want to use that one day to try and demean the…character and intentions of 74 million Americans."
Minimization? Maybe. Diversion? Absolutely. Sowing doubt? Two Pinocchios.
So, true but lame?
Congratulations, Welch, you beat Sullivan by maybe 10 of your own paragraphs. Reason, the home of free minds and free markets, only hires middling retards instead of people who are rhetorically incapable of tying their own shoes in the morning.
I don't think you exactly have to be Ultra Maga to think the economy crashing, 8% inflation, potential food and energy shortages, and the country being the closest to nuclear war it has been since the 1980s are more important than a small riot at the Capitol that happened almost two years ago.
How far does Welch have his head up his ass to think otherwise? It amazes me how much of a bubble these people live in. No one gives a shit about January 6th one way or another.
And, suddenly, it’s exceedingly difficult for reporters *and editors*, even Welch, to say something like ‘partisan redirection’, ‘refocus on the incoming administration’ or something similarly objectively defensible. But media hacks gotta hack, even if their “Muh Faux Newz!” narrative makes them look simultaneously irrelevantly old and childish.
We can definitely criticize Clyde for expending his valuable time during an important hearing about an appalling event policing language instead of pointing fingers at his own political party.
Or we could be smart and recognize this disinformation campaign is part of the escalation process which has led us to this point. Further we could note that those who decry this trend but then claim opposing it is a problem are revealing that while they oppose escalation by one side they defend it from the other proving they are part of the trend they pretend to oppose.
^^THIS^^
You can't claim to be concerned about the escalation of political divisions and then turn around criticize Clyde for trying to deescalate the language being used.
You can, but if you do, it makes you a one sided hack who is part of the problem.
The congressman's controversy-generating formulation was applied to a discrete piece of TV footage and a specific viewing condition: If someone did not know about the January 6 connection, and happened to watch the clip "of those who entered the Capitol and walked through Statuary Hall…in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes taking videos and pictures," that viewer would not have found it particularly unusual.
The key issue here is to note that this group is being sent to jail. Revealingly though Welch has no comment on this.
'Pro-Democrat' Journalism's Problem With the Facts
Fixed
Facts are remarkably inconvenient for Democrats.
Sullivan simply demonstrates, and perpetuates, why huge swaths of America no longer believe or consume mainstream media.
The funny thing is media companies fail to understand how they undermine their own position as truth holders even when reporting non-political information. The recent fast food drive-thru line study is a perfect example of spreading accurate but not complete information that everyone knows is being falsely presented.
No one that has ever been to a Burger King and a Chick-fil-a at any point in their life thinks Burger King has the faster drive-thru. We all know that Chick-fil-a only has a longer time because they have more cars. The actual study even states that Chick-fil-a is the fastest per car, but the only headlines I have seen state that Chick-fil-a has the slowest drive-thru.
How do you expect to have someone read that and then trust the next thing you present? Even if the next thing is 100% accurate you lost my trust to not believe you aren't biased in the presentation.
The left only freaks about Chik Fil A as a big deal because they act like the owner making a few political donations like he’s bankrolling the entire conservative movement.
We all know they hate Chick-fil-a; and hate even more that is succeeds. By their reckoning it shouldn't, and that can only the the fault of the deplorable multi-phobes.
Conclusion? Narrative harder. You just have to beat the "truth" into some people.
"Conclusion? "
Burger King has a larger advertising budget than Chick-fil-a.
Never forget:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Gell-Mann amnesia.
That picture...It looks like Jennifer Aniston really let herself go.
It was take a bucket of acid to make Anniston look that bad.
Speaking from the sixties - - -
As in a bucket of LSD ingested, or a literal bucket of corrosive on the face?
>>a bucket of LSD ingested
in. but I'm not so greedy I need all that.
A shot or two should cover me. Can I get that with a lime?
I hate to point this out in an article that at least seems to be trying to come to terms with reality, but which of Sullivan's lunacies couldn't just as easily have emanated from the staff of Reason? Commenters here have tried to point out to y'all for a while much the same as you point out about her. But, mostly, the staff has gone along with the insurrection/Russia collusion/Orangemanbad fancies that Sullivan is still peddling. Don't get me wrong, I applaud Mr. Welch for at least recognizing now that this stuff is dishonest garbage. But, it would be more helpful if perhaps he and the rest of the writing staff could recognize their own consumption and amplification of that dishonest garbage and perhaps maintain a healthy skepticism of the future lunacies being propagated by the likes of Ms. Sullivan.
>>mostly, the staff has gone along
no way they're not litmus testing the new kids they keep running out
Sullivan, it seems, to have written a completely unselfaware screed touting her own hubris and sanctimony. How many times in the past few years have we seen the journalism profession stifled dissenting voices who have turned out to be telling the truth, or at least had damn good reason to be skeptical about the left leaning media's narrative on politics, medicine, etc.?
She is annoyed her side are no longer the gatekeepers of what the truth is as they tell increasingly bold faced lies and want to criminalize dissent. To hell with her ilk.
The democrat playbook since 2016 has been outrageous histrionics designed to terrify their base and drive them to the polls. Because they can’t run on their ridiculous policies.
>>The Cambridge English Dictionary defines insurrection
lol are you running for SBA President or is this another bad wedding speech?
1. Democracy is good
2. Therefore democracy is good
3. Journalists protect democracy
4. Therefore journalists protect democracy
5. Therefore, journalism is good
I think there may be some circular logic in here.
For the truth, rewrite that with "democrats" everywhere you inadvertently wrote "democracy".
Thanks, the editors
Kinda what I thought, though I thought just add
Democracy is good
therefore Democrats are good.
That is the logic. Yet the Democrats are destroying this country, with their effort to "Fundamentally Change the US." Just another thing Reason refuses to report on. The Democrats want to fundamentally change: the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, our democratic system of elections, our economy, our fuel sources. They want to divide us by race,ethnicity sex, class, and age.
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We can definitely criticize Clyde for expending his valuable time during an important hearing about an appalling event policing language instead of pointing fingers at his own political party.
We can criticize anything we want, but why? His point seems like an important one and policing the language is pretty important when you are part of government and discussing terms that have a legal meaning. Seems to me that the continued use of "insurrection" has a specific purpose which is to disqualify people from office under the 14th amendment. I don't think it's going to work, but I can't see any reason for insisting on that term.
Because they believe in democracy sooooo much….
"Fox News has become an American plague," and it boils to a righteous fury when regarding Trump: "I continually felt that irrational anger like an unending blast of liquid poison from an industrial-strength hose."
Per yesterday's thread:
Make sure you pepper your articles when you're sympathetic with "good intentions!"
The road to hell….
It amazes me how many people think that having good intentions is any reason to support a politician. I'll take bad intentions and good policy any day.
Be careful, you're teetering on the edge of saying, "I'll take mean tweets and $2.75 a gallon gas"
Maybe with a side of not having a war with Russia.
Whatever Putin puppet.
Expecting unbiased and fact-based journalism from the New York Times is like expecting snow in July ... although it may happen rarely, it would be a freak of nature. But the Times would, of course, refer to snow in July as a result of anthropogenic climate change because the social narrative is more important than facts or logic (which are both tools of the patriarchy intended to suppress women and other marginalized populations - definitions not required). One comment on false equivalence. Whenever people who disagree with my opinions during "discussions" cannot articulate a reason or cite facts or logical flaws to support the disagreement, they tend to assert "false equivalence." To quote Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."
We can definitely criticize Clyde for expending his valuable time during an important hearing about an appalling event policing language instead of pointing fingers at his own political party
And here you reveal what a thoroughly disingenuous asshole you really are.
Watched a Barrons JoURnALisT praise Gavin Newsom mandates and bans administration, similar to Reason and Cato on 20 percent public housing mandates. The interview was about firms and residents leaving California. Barrons JouRNalist ignored that and sang the praises of mandates and bans leading the way on Climate.
Let me get this straight, supossed Free Market Capitalists praising tyranny mandates and bans. It’s a strange world now.
Outstanding.
So a so-called "journalist" is a hypocritical liar. In other news, dog bites man and water is wet.
This cunt has even less credibility as a "media critic" than Brian Stelter.
She's a propagandist for The Regime--no more, no less.
Pro-democracy = pro-socialist
Reason’s Problem With the Facts:
they make them up.
they distort them.
they are radical leftists so facts can be ignored.
they hate Trump.
they supported Biden and sugar coat the facts about him.
Example: the called Trump a liar, they said Biden tells untruths.
what kind of journalism is that?
Reason is considered “right-wing” according to some leftist media watchdog group (I forget which), yet is routinely quoted by The NY Times. Go figure.
We can definitely criticize Clyde for expending his valuable time during an important hearing about an appalling event policing language instead of pointing fingers at his own political party.
Didn’t have to read very far to know that this article is garbage. Thanks for signalling early on that further reading is unnecessary.
Anyone who's been paying the slightest of attention - knows that the vast majority of "news" media acts as a mouthpiece for the democrats - it really is just that simple...
and Reason is only slightly better...
Democracy is an ancient Greek word which is difficult to accurately translate in English. As a philologist fluent in both languages, my best interpretation in English of the meaning of the word “Democracy” is: “The political system where the citizens have the power to effect their governance”. (Please note, "effect" as a verb NOT affect)
In the United States today the citizens have the right to decide WHO will govern them; but they have very little influence on effecting HOW they will be governed.
It is my opinion that 98% of Americans (and actually all people in the entire world) are ignorant of what exactly democracy means.
Therefore unscrupulous politicians use that term in ways that sometimes contradicts it’s proper original meaning.
By the way democracy, in its true meaning, where people are able to control who and how governs them, does not exist anywhere in the world today.
I would take this a step further and declare that democracy is dead. The world is ready for something new. The problem is that the interim period, as history teaches, will be a long period of political instability, and most likely revolution which is usually accompanied by a lot of bloodshed.
So be prepared; and be prepared for the worst of the worst.