New Zealand P.M. Jacinda Ardern Peddles Government Censorship to an International Audience
The world’s politicians offer a friendly reception to attacks on free speech.

With her luster dimming at home, New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is trying out her professional scold routine in front of a world audience, perhaps preparing for a role at some international body. Key to that shift is her belief that this whole free speech thing is a menace, and something should be done about it, preferably around the globe. As it turns out, she has a whole pro-censorship project ready to go for a career reboot after electoral politics.
"A bullet takes a life. A bomb takes out a whole village. A lie online or from a podium does not," Ardern told the U.N. General Assembly in September. "But what if that lie, told repeatedly, and across many platforms, prompts, inspires, or motivates others to take up arms. To threaten the security of others. To turn a blind eye to atrocities, or worse, to become complicit in them. What then?"
"In Aotearoa New Zealand, we deeply value our right to protest," she continued. "But that does not mean the absence of transparency, expectations, or even rules. If we correctly identify what it is we are trying to prevent. And surely we can start with violent extremism and terrorist content online."
Her address then turned to promoting the Christchurch Call to Action, an international initiative she co-founded with France's President Emmanuel Macron with the goal "to eliminate terrorist and violent extremist content online," according to its founding document.
At the U.N., Ardern briefly acknowledged free-speech concerns, before waving them away as less important than the dangers of unregulated speech. By her words, this category encompasses promotion of terrorism, undefined extremism, disinformation, and also ideas the powers-that-be find threatening.
"How do you tackle climate change if people do not believe it exists?" Ardern demanded of her audience. "How do you ensure the human rights of others are upheld, when they are subjected to hateful and dangerous rhetoric and ideology?"
To combat these perils, she demands "international rules, norms, and expectations" comparable to those applied in weapons control.
In case you were wondering, yes, the United States government did sign on to the Christchurch Call for Action in May 2021. D.C.'s conduct since (and well before) illustrates just why governments ought not be allowed to concern themselves with speech that doesn't directly threaten harm to others.
In recent months, federal authorities have issued advisories warning that a taste for traditional Revolutionary War imagery such as the Gadsden flag may indicate a tendency towards "violent extremism." The Biden administration was repeatedly caught engaging in censorship by proxy, leaning on social media companies to suppress "misinformation" and viewpoints it didn't like, but which is protected against government action by the First Amendment.
"Government officials can use informal pressure—bullying, threatening, and cajoling—to sway the decisions of private platforms and limit the publication of disfavored speech," the Cato Institute's Will Duffield warned last month. "The use of this informal pressure, known as jawboning, is growing. Left unchecked, it threatens to become normalized as an extraconstitutional method of speech regulation."
And there was the Department of Homeland Security's still-born effort to establish a Disinformation Governance Board tasked with distinguishing truth from falsehoods (talk about foxes and henhouses).
In places unshielded by the First Amendment, the situation is worse.
The U.K. is currently debating an Online Safety Bill that, if passed, will let officials "directly silence user speech, and even imprison those who publish messages that it doesn't like," according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation. (The U.K. government supports the Christchurch Call for action.)
The European Union adopted a Digital Services Act that "will most likely result in a shrinking space for online expression, as social media companies are incentivized to delete massive amounts of perfectly legal content," cautions Jacob Mchangama, executive director of Copenhagen-based human-rights think tank Justitia. (The EU's European Commission supports the Christchurch Call for Action.)
For its part, Germany's NetzDG law "conscripts social media companies into governmental service as content regulators," Diana Lee wrote for Yale Law School's Media Freedom and Information Access Clinic. It has also inspired copycat legislation in over a dozen countries. "In a global free speech race to the bottom, the NetzDG matrix has been copy-pasted by authoritarian states to provide cover and legitimacy for digital censorship and repression," notes Justitia. (Germany's government supports the Christchurch Call for Action.)
Many online companies, including Amazon, Meta, and Google, have also signed on to Ardern's international censorship project. They either agree with its sentiments, or else see the need to court regulators who might otherwise make life difficult (remember the dangers of jawboning).
During her time in office, Ardern has never shied away from openly embracing authoritarianism. She denounced the free-market capitalism that brought so much liberty and prosperity to the world as a "blatant failure." Her government tried to largely disarm her subjects. It also stranded New Zealand citizens overseas on the other side of borders sealed against them out of fear of COVID-19. Inevitably, her government also cracked down on anti-lockdown protests and proposed legislation to narrow the range of acceptable debate under a "hate speech" law. That prompted David Seymour, leader of the opposition libertarian-leaning ACT party to tour the country promoting free speech.
"Democracy and the ability to have civil and honest conversations is already becoming imperiled, which is why this is the worst possible time to empower lynch mobs who choose to take offence at ideas they don't support," Seymour told reporters in April 2021.
While it's too early to predict any country's future political developments, ACT is now rising in the polls while Ardern's Labour party falls. Jacinda Ardern appears to be preparing to move on to new projects in life, and it's rather obvious that will involve promoting global restrictions on speech, with government officials choosing between truth and falsehood, and designating what is fit for public discussion.
You can be confident that politicians in many countries will be more than happy to hear that message, and to embrace any encouragement of tightened censorship.
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So then... Worldwide, there are many-many authoritarians who agree with USA authoritarians who believe that Section 230 is EVIL, and that punishing "Party A" for the writings of "Party B", is a GOOD thing?!?! Who'd have thunk it?!?!
You are still repeating the lie that corporate handouts like Section 230 have anything to do with "free speech". It's what authoritarians like you, SQRLSY, do: lie, misdirect, and obfuscate in hopes that people are too stupid to see through your lies.
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Look, I’ll make it pretty simple for simpletons. A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!
In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!
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You really don't try to hide your fascism at all anymore, do you? I mean, like the Nazis, you accuse liberals like me of "the Big Lie".
This is how rights are traditionally subverted: You pick one aspect and then you compare things to perfection. Hillary did this all the time.
So, people get hurt by speech. Compare that to a viselike government grip on all speech (prior restraint even?) and who can complain?
"The people must appoint watchmen. But quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who are to watch the watchmen? —The people themselves."
Glen Greenwald put it right. This is the face of fascism.
Punch it?
No, she's just one of the many First World puppets that the World Economic Forum has on their strings.
These are the same people who think it would be peachy keen to put digital trackers in everyone's head, so it's not surprising one of their shills would be complaining about turning the internet from the "information superhighway" that it was in the 90s and early 00s, to one that was heavily curated and designed to ensure that anything going against their agenda is suppressed or censored completely.
And when the rubber hits the road, Big Tech WILL absolutely job out to these people, because they're the ones who keep Big Tech's leadership rolling in style, while implicitly threatening to end them if they don't go along with whatever cockamamie cyberpunk dystopian scheme these "leaders" contrive.
Basically, the only thing these people are really demonstrating is that Skynet made the right decision.
Giant Meteor 2024!
I.e. the face of fascism.
Oligarchy With Communist Characteristics is much closer to true.
Fascism is very rare & very overused. It requires Nationalism 100% so cannot be true here.
This is why people like her must be utterly destroyed politically and socially. And if possible, economically. Make them too poor for anyone to care what they think.
"this is the worst possible time to empower lynch mobs who choose to take offence at ideas they don't support"
What if one of those lynch mobs is the government?
Or the government's blackshirts.
f the US is so enraptured with doing regime changes, it could do worse than to send a couple of carriers to New Zealand, and continue shelling the island until this woman resigns.
The US Gov't is probably sponsoring her censor campaign. The regime WANTS this here
If you're shelling the island, you need destroyers and cruisers, not carriers.
/That Guy
OK, Admiral. Bombing the island.
Seriously: if Jacinda Ardern, or Justin Trudeau, implement their “vision” on restricting free speech, it would be reasonable to take some steps like:
1. Completely refusing extradition for anyone who has been charged under their speech laws, regardless of other offenses. 2. Conditioning other extraditions on a guarantee the person will not be charged under their speech laws. 3. Banning US law enforcement from cooperating in investigations related to their speech laws.
Amen. She knows her sorry tyrant-would-be butt is on her way out as soon as elections are held. This is why idiot women should never be allowed near the levers of power!
Ardern looks and sounds like a 2nd rate elf extra from all that LOTR filming in New Zealand. Perhaps a band of orcs could take her for a romp in the magical forest. Followed by dinner.
She and Justin are unlistenable and insufferable.
Imagine the spawn from those two.
Donner Party style?
Orcs gotta eat, too.
Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys.
Horse meat.
Globalism means the Uniparty isn't just Republicans and Democrats, that's just the American flavor.
Nobody needs 23 kinds of totalitarianism.
Essentially, the left is arguing a return of heresy laws.
Which imam from Saudi Arabia would be best for judging "international rules, norms, and expectations"?
Maybe Putin would have veto power?
Would.
Never stick it in crazy totalitarian.
Or
Yeah, but then she’d have you arrested and beaten for complaining online that she wasn’t the best sex you’ve ever had because Science!
The trick is simple: you and a buddy have to double-team her. One of you must have his dick in her mouth at all times. You can switch up, but make sure to coordinate carefully. Otherwise, she might start talking, which would kill your boner pretty quickly. This is my suggestion for handling any women who manage to be physically attractive but incredibly obnoxious.
Um, all you incels need to get out more.
So you haven't mastered the art of "tuning out." That's a shame.
Depending upon how crazy she is it very well might be the best sex ever.
You go do that then. Have fun at New Zealand!
There are 39 million sheep in NZ being raised by 4.8 million sheep.
"A bullet takes a life. A bomb takes out a whole village. A lie online or from a podium does not," Ardern told the U.N. General Assembly in September. "But what if that lie, told repeatedly, and across many platforms, prompts, inspires, or motivates others to take up arms. To threaten the security of others. To turn a blind eye to atrocities, or worse, to become complicit in them. What then?"
Poo-tee-weet?
And they say Meloni is a fascist? Which she's not by the way.
She's telling it like it is and this sends the pearl clutchers into a rage.
What Ardern fails to comprehend is that government is the biggest spreader of online misinformation. Look at COVID and how often the so-called experts were wrong. Government experts.
And, a blind eye to atrocities? Perhaps she's making a reference to all the worlds governments ignoring China and their 1.5 million Muslim slaves? No. She and the West are complicit, as they allow those slaves to produce labor for our cheap devices.
Fails to comprehend? I think she's well aware of it. Ardern wants her misinformation, and only her misinformation out there. The facts, truth, and sunlight can only get in her way and stop her from puting her misinformation, her propaganda out there.
Look at COVID and how often the so-called experts were wrong. Government experts.
Not even just being wrong, but flat-out fucking lying, and/or changing their narratives, Oceania-style, when existing ones proved to be inconvenient or contradictory.
You do not understand. People like her do not consider it misinformation when the government puts out something untrue. It is a noble lie at worst, done for the good of society.
If that brain-dead cunt is trying to imply that Hitler could have been prevented by censorship, she needs to be reminded that shutting down dissent was a key part of Hitler's rise to power.
-jcr
If that brain-dead cunt is trying to imply that Hitler could have been prevented by censorship, she needs to be reminded that shutting down dissent was a key part of Hitler’s rise to power.
She's not implying it; that's been a common belief of leftists for over 50 years, even if they're only vaguely aware of its origins, and the source of their paranoia. It's the reason Marcuse stated in "Repressive Tolerance":
"Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger. I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs."
This has been the default view of the mainstream left for about 30 years now, starting when "political correctness" became a thing in the early 90s. And what's happening is the same thing that always happens when radical left shibboleths get mainstreamed--they overreach in their own sense of self-righteousness, the right reacts, and civil war takes place because the left doesn't want to give up or even share the monopolies it's acquired.
"...I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs.”
Also known as "climate change/ crisis."
That's just a variation of the same pretense. It's important to attack the pretense rather than worry to much about the variation.
Marcuse
Name didn't ring a bell, so I looked him up. He's one of the "Frankfurt School" of commie scumbags behind the whole "critical theory" notion.
-jcr
One of them? He's basically the godfather of it in the US, although guys like Gramsci and Lukács were peddling in similar theoretical constructs long before Marcuse published "Eros and Civilization" or "One-Dimensional Man".
You really owe it to yourself to go through his stuff, because it's the ideological foundation for all the woke crap being pushed by the Cathedral these days.
“‘How do you ensure the human rights of others are upheld, when they are subjected to hateful and dangerous rhetoric and ideology?”‘
How? Well, first of all, I would suggest the mandatory teaching of “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” “Brave New World,” and a few other books as core curriculum in all schools, starting about the sixth grade.
Careful, they will see those books as instruction manuals. Well, at least we will get our free soma.
"Well, at least we will get our free soma."
We have had our free soma for decades now. It's called "television."
Well, that's a big let-down.
Yeah, as are most "drugs" once the "newness" wears off.
you haven't crossed paths with mdma?
Still, soma sounds a lot better than TV.
Step 1: segregate the population into easily recognized groups.
Step 2: designate some groups as superior, and others as inferior.
Step 3: allocate rights based on group status.
Step 4: if necessary, eliminate low status groups.
Step 5: repeat from step 1.
Like how FEMA is supposed to operate now.
compare (source):
"The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination."
Ardern is exactly the type of authoritarian that you most have to be on the lookout for. Trump was held up by the left as this scary authoritarian, but, in the end, he was so hated, only cared about himself, had no political ideology to speak of, and was constantly being checked and attacked by the media. That’s not a person that should be worried about.
The person that you worry about is the sweet, attractive, media darling who easily convinces those in power and the people that authoritarian measures are good and needed to help. It’s the leader that is able to take away freedoms to the cheers of the crowd who is the most concerning. Trump was never that person. Ardern is.
Essentially Hitler/Stalin/Mao et al, with a pretty face.
Rates a 6 at best,
If the comparison is Hitler/Mao/Stalin you might have to give her a 7.
And even a 7.5, in a film where Ardern takes on Hitler, Mao, AND Stalin.
With swords?
Probably looks better with something shoved in her mouth.
Holy shit, I am shallow and have high standards. She's a 4, tops. But that's moot: never stick your dick in crazy.
Or pathologically overbearing. Whatever her hotness rating*, his chick wants to RULE.
*compared to the average autocrat and such things being relative, yeah, I'd say 7.5; compared to the average Spanish hottie topless and mostly bottomless on the beach, 3.5.
what if it gets her to stop talking about fascism?
Can we worry about both kinds of person?
Trump has done a lot of damage with his fecklessness. (And, by the way, he is adored by a whole lot of people in this country. And one guy in Canada.)
Cite?
Sure. Worry about whoever you want, that's why we are where we are as a country painting everyone as enemies rather than actually being able to point out the true problems. Because, when everything is "both sides!" than nothing ever gets addressed.
My point is that you should worry much more about people who are actually taking away your rights rather than people who the media and opposing political team characterizes as taking away your rights.
The Trump boogeyman is so far from the actual person anymore, it's ludicrous. And being feckless isn't really an issue for me. Being a negligent idiot is so far removed from being an intelligent manipulator. One is worthy of laughing at and will never be a true threat. The other is very scary indeed.
Because, when everything is “both sides!” than nothing ever gets addressed.
"Both sides" is nothing more than a dodge at this point to avoid engaging in any kind of responsibility to stick one's neck out. Contrary to what some would claim, it's the complete avoidance of principle, not standing up for it. I see this a lot on the anti-Trump side of the GOP that's constantly complaining, "well, can't we just call balls and strikes?" No, because you're not the umpire, you're just a spectator, and the one who is, is working to stack the deck in one side's favor.
Basically, things are developing to the point where people are going to have to pick a side, and the ones who try to walk the middle line are going to get run over.
If you’re right, then all is lost anyway.
But I’ll still try to keep a moderate perspective on life, as that’s generally where reality is.
Picking a side requires extremism, which is inherently irrational and illiberal. And simply because extremism is massively out of hand in this country doesn’t mean embracing extremism and picking sides is the right answer.
If you’re right, then all is lost anyway.
Depends on what you mean by that. Rome entered a golden age for a little over 200 years after several decades of civil war between the Populares and the Optimates. The US went largely on a socio-economic tear for a little over a century after the Civil War.
Conflict can mean degeneration, but it doesn't necessarily have to. It depends on who's running the show after the dust settles.
Thanks, I think I will give due worry to the idiot who is trying to tear down confidence in voting.
Stacey Abrams? Gavin Newsom? Hillary Clinton? Which person wanting to tear down confidence in voting are you specifically choosing to worry about, as numerous politicians and media personalities have worked to tear down confidence in our voting?
Don’t worry, I know it’s Trump who scares you. You created a narrative about him and just can’t let it go. I will never not be amazed how many rational people were broken by that man.
I think I will give due worry to the idiot who is trying to tear down confidence in voting.
Democrats have undermined every election they've lost for more than two decades without a single complaint from you. So we can conclude you aren't interested in protecting the confidence in voting. What does that leave?
Trump has done a lot of damage with his fecklessness.
Only to the brains of TDS sufferers like you.
-jcr
I muted that ass-hat a while back; it's not like he's going to give you a list or anything that discreet, more like pivot, deflect, and distract as is typical with trolls. Anything to gin up a thread of outrage and keep it going until he can rub one out on his keyboard.
“Trump has done a lot of damage with his fecklessness”
You misspelled ‘Biden’.
"Feckless" means feeble and ineffective. That's what concerns you, that Trump was feeble and ineffective? "Careful, that ineffectual man might not achieve his goals!"
Wow! So very well-said! I'll amen that any day of the week and thrice on Sunday!!!!
Easy for her to say, she comes from a monocultural island of clones still intent on making the Maori conform to Neo-European models. Of course she sees free speech as a danger. Gawd forbid someone should have an idea that differs from hers.
Sadly, she will probably be feted by both the Left and the Right in this country (both sides, dammit). She probably has the vapors just thinking about Section 230.
Where is the right in this country feting her?
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Future tense. Just wait.
Nope. Not even close to the Fox News type.
Ah, so now your "both sides" is speculative future tense?
This is a great example of the problems this country faces. There is literally no proof of what you claim, yet you assert it as a given.
I beg for the days that truth and reality can be the guiding light rather than political hackery.
Huge numbers of "Team R" and "Team D" BOTH agree that Section 230 should be torn down... So that THEY can pussy-grab "the enemy", who will be TOTALLY incapable of pussy-grabbing them right back!
"Both sides", then, are entirely TOO stupid AND evil to realize a simple truth: You can NOT pussy-grab ALL of the people ALL of the time, and realistically expect to NEVER get pussy-grabbed right back! WHY it seems to take some sort of mental GENIUS to see such a simple thing? I have NO idea!!!
Yes, because Section 230 is a crony capitalist handout to big corporations. That's why nasty little fascists like you like Section 230 so much.
Night is day, day is night, speech control is free speech, speech is violence, lack of speech is violence (“silence is violence”), and… Facebook is Government Almighty!!! Just ask MammaryBahnFuhrer and Soy-Boy-Noy-Toy! SHE will tell you ALL about “Facebook is Government Almighty!!!”
All the lies facilitate making the lies come true… After all, if “Facebook is Government Almighty” already, then why should we NOT subject Facebook to the whims of the votes of the crowds? And then the corner-store grocer is Government Almighty also, and so is my church, and so are my personal decisions on who to marry, what profession to take up, and… And EVERYTHING is ALREADY Government Almighty, so it MUST be treated as such!
Yes, that pretty much sums you up: pretending that crony capitalist protections for select corporations engaging in government-mandated censorship amounts to "free speech protections".
"How do you ensure the human rights of others are upheld, when they are subjected to hateful and dangerous rhetoric and ideology?"
There will certainly never be a shortage of fluffers for Klaus Schwab's sclerotic and putrid micropenis. Coming from a rabid gun control advocate it's hard to take her paean to human rights seriously. Or does she not consider the right to self defense a human right?
"Mass shootings are rare, but they are highly salient, and people tend to overestimate the likelihood of salient events. If a ban on semi‐automatic guns and large‐capacity magazines reduces the perceived risk from a mass shooting, and makes the public feel safer as a result, that’s a substantial benefit. "
Friedman v. City of Highland Park, No. 14-3091 (7th Cir. 2015)
Neither does much of the American judiciary [take the human right to self-defense seriously] either. Not when "feelings" are at stake.
your human rights include being free from seeing insults or offensive material that makes you clutch pearls, obviously
"How do you tackle climate change if people do not believe it exists?" Ardern demanded of her audience.
"How do you tackle the Jewish problem if people do not believe it exists?" Hitler demanded of his audience.
UC Berkeley is working on it. Banning Jews from, it was, nine student groups
Equity!
The fruits of Globalism are bitter.
The bitches even more so.
somebody needs a better boyfriend.
I couldn't do that to my worst enemy.
she might be nicer person if less pent-up?
You mean more "pent" in. Still wouldn't, not even with Joe Friday's dick.
Related… Emperor Newsom screams into the California welfare transfers free stuff crowd ‘Windfall’ taxes. Windfall =Profits
Two years prior Reason: Gee, I think I’ll vote for real communists because Trump said mean things on Twitter.
How do we just print money and redistribute to anyone in the world who wants it if..,,ahhh forget it
*ctrl-f authoritaria (1/2)*
I'm impressed. This has truly reached Josh Hawley levels of tyranny.
???
(What she's calling for is tyranny alright, but I don't get your reference to Sen. Hawley.)
Of course, the next question is “But what if THE TRUTH, told repeatedly, and across many platforms, prompts, inspires, or motivates others to take up arms? To threaten the security of others.” What is her answer to that?
Why do you think she wants to squelch it in the first place?
"Truth!? You can't handle the truth!"
I may regret asking, but what is “Aotearoa New Zealand.”?
Wiki says "Aotearoa (Māori: [aɔˈtɛaɾɔa]) is the current Māori-language name for New Zealand. The name was originally used by Māori in reference to only the North ..."
Apparently there is a push to rename the whole country, according to some misguided sense of equity and compensation.
It's a push that would get 10 to 15% support if it was voted on. So it won't be. Instead they focus on giving taxpayer funds to academics to tell us we're racist for not supporting it.
Glad to see Reason actually write an article about this. Reason's blind eye towards this ever-growing band of authoritarians, has been unsettling. Of course, this particular band of folks are all progressives, so I can understand why Reason waited so long.
New Zealand? Local news.
The is the worst of the worst.
Just a genuinely terrible human being and the worse possible option to have power to wield over others. Unbelievable.
*She* is the worst of the worst.
This PM is walking proof of the genius of the Founders of the US. Without free speech, you've got nothing.
Note how this entire line of argument -- "oh, what will we do if people REALLY disagree with us EVERYWHERE! We don't stand a chance!" -- is the rhetorical equivalent of believing that you have the "right" to not be offended by anyone for any reason at any time.
I don't know who the first person it was who came up with this idea, but it's crap. Such a "right" never existed and never will.
Shame on anyone who ever voted for this cunt.
-jcr
Global western countries climate Jihad. Let me get this straight. Germans are stealing wood piles and cutting down trees on private property, in 2022, because Climate policies. Putin laughs at the idiocy and invades a sovereign country on EUs borders. Sri Lanka collapses into Chaos and starvation because lower crop yields resulting from fossil fueled fertilizer bans/Climate policies. Californian and New Jersey democrats want to tap the alarmingly low U.S. reserves because fossil fuels (that are banned and divested from, for decades) prices are too damn high. Xi laughs and…
Don't forget about the mainstream media, that is totally complicit in promoting this farce.
Shorter version of Ardern's reasoning:
1. Some people do bad things with guns, so we have to ban them for everyone.
2. Some people do bad things with words, so we have to approve everything you say or write.
3. Don't worry about the government becoming so tyrannical someday that you would feel the need to speak out against it or take up arms. Someday never comes. Besides, we're a democracy -- the people are the government. What are you worried about? The government may have taken away your power to complain or to fight back, but you won't have to. We promise.
When someone wants to gag and disarm you, that's a pretty good indication that they harbor ill intentions toward you.
Please dont hold the ACT party up as some libertarian leaning party.
They had one of NZ's biggest gay-haters as an MP and leader.
For the first couple of decades of its existence it was against cannabis law reform, it then switched to "we have no policy on cannabis reform" (that was their offical position). At the last election there was a rererendum on cannabis legalisation so they had nothing to say about it.
So one of those parties thats for freedom for businessess but not for individuals. Fuck them
“Please don’t hold the ACT party up as some libertarian leaning party. They had one of NZ’s biggest gay-haters as an MP and leader.”
I know nothing about the politician you’re referring to. But I bet he did not propose putting people in prison for homosexual acts. If I am right, why not “hold [his] party up as [a] libertarian-leaning party” if they do advocate libertarian policies (such as freedom of speech)? I may hate your guts, but if I’m willing to leave you alone, to be as gay as you want to be, what’s the problem?
“it was against cannabis law reform”
Yes, I suppose that does make them not quite “libertarian.” But I would think that freedom of speech is just a tad more important…
“…freedom for businesses but not for individuals.”
You’re a moron.
Not many people getting arrested, convicted and locked up here for saying the wrong thing but plenty getting done for cannabis use.
And that politition (and the right wing parties he belonged to) demanded that we continue locking up homosexuals. So you are not right. You bet wrong. He did hate their guts but wasnt willing to leave them alone to be gay (I'm not gay FYI). The law said they needed to be locked up and the right wings parties were against changing that. That's the problem
They were also against prostitution reform (I'm not a pro or a john either)
Libertarians are perfectly free to "hate gays", or anybody else they want to hate.
What libertarians oppose is using the government to hurt people you hate.
Hardly libertarian if you approve of the government locking up the people you hate though is it? Gays were arrested, covicted and locked up in NZ until the homosexual law reform bill was passed in the 80's.
Polititions who advocated (very strongly) for that dont get to be called libertarian leaning in my book
Hardly libertarian if you approve of the government locking up the people you hate though is it?
It is if I hate pedophiles who diddle little kids. Those people deserve Joseph Rosenbaums fate.
Hate isn't morally wrong as a principle, it's just been promoted that way by social degenerates.
Hate isn’t morally wrong as a principle
I'm not sure that's completely true. There is that whole "love your enemy" thing.
Loving one's enemies doesn't mean indulging them, though.
But what if you hate gays (which is what this thread is about) who have consentual sex with other gays? Is it ok then to want them locked up? Should you be called a libertarian if you do?
I hate socialists; that doesn't mean I want them locked up.
I increasingly hate Kiwis; that doesn't mean I want them locked up either.
Depends--are they diddling little kids?
But that's not what we were talking about. We were talking about whether someone who "hates gays" can be a libertarian.
And these days, New Zealand increasingly wants to arrests, convicts, and locks up people for wrong-think. It's a beautiful country inhabited by awful people.
Your Prime Minister doesn't value freedom for individuals nor businesses, and neither for anyone's religious beliefs for that matter. Off she goes.
"Religious beliefs"?
Pretty sure she doesnt care one way or the other about religion. Got any examples of her not valuing peoples religious beliefs?
Had being the operative word. But you can continue to be focused on events 15 years ago if you want.
As for the Cannabis vote, they said that if the referendum passed they'd support it in parliament. Not sure how much more support you wanted exactly. They were more supportive of it than Ardern was who never once supported anything in her life unless she was sure that 50.01% of the population also supported it. She's the biggest moral coward around.
Does anyone care that the Christchurch Call was in response to some fucking Aussie shooting 51 people dead in an afternoon?
Perhaps that should have been mentioned in the story?
Don’t care, shouldn’t care. Authoritarians always try to leverage emergencies and tragedies. It’s important not to help them with that, and you shouldn’t have.
I was impressed in 2011 when during his first speech after a mass shooting the Norwegian prime minister said that they would not give up any freedoms. Your prime minister does the exact opposite, using the tragic deaths of 51 people as an opportunity to attack liberties she hates anyway.
I care. I care that she used the immense fuck up of her beloved police force (her dad was a cop and she's never once missed an opportunity to suck popo cock) to attack the rights of people who didn't fuck up.
If the police had done their job even VERY slightly semi-competently then that Aussie cunt would never have got his hand on a firearm. But of course it's the Otago police force who are the laziest and most incompetent police force in the country with a built in culture of "she'll be right mate" that has existed at least as far back as the David Grey shootings.
The Christchurch Call is an excuse for police forces and governments to crack down on any kind of live streaming of anything they are doing that merits scrutiny in the name of "public safety". Smash some protestor heads - don't stream that, it encourages extremists. Arrest youth for being Maori and walking in a northerly direction - don't stream that either, it encourages racists.
Fuck her, fuck her coke-head boyfriend, fuck her government of incompetent wankers and fuck her band of sycophantic droolers who taint lick her every word.
It is the same road that TYRANTS HAVE HOED OUT in the past. They make you think they are doing it for YOU and to PROTECT YOU when in reality they are just getting started to put you in the freight cars to the crematoria and anyone else they deem as "undesirable". They are incapable of adding to society so they find a way to rule over you. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, the Emperor of Japan and his warlords, and Pol Pott just to speak of those in the modern age. Each of these flaccid and incompetent leaders used threats of violence and violence against their people by thugs and bullies who had NO MORALS OR ETHICS or RESPECT OF HUMAN LIFE OR TRUTH.
When you hear them speak only the words of the god that they serve is heard and they serve with a heart of stone the devil himself. They use FALSE TESTIMONY to support their claims however when you expose those testimonies to the LIGHT OF FACTS AND TRUTH they dissipate like mist in the morning light. When you hear people speak like this then you know it is time to remove them both from their positions of authority and from society so that they may NEVER threaten the FREEDOMS GIVEN BY YAHWEH GOD again!
Someone asked Ardern a question about climate change that she couldn't answer so everybody needs to STFU.
Freedom of expression is essential for a free society. We must stand up for it.
She is of course exactly right. We're stupid monkeys contending with mass literacy and the internet. Propaganda must be near the top of the list of threats to humanity. It's already done enough damage to do us in.
There should be consequences for spreading lies that hurt people on a mass scale. Propaganda is a tool of war, and much of the horeseshit people believe was supplied by memes from a basement in Moscow for the express purpose of hurting Americans on a mass scale. Putin says it openly, and his toy Donald Trump is still going around spreading treasonous lies on his behalf.
Free speech is free because it is powerful. The law has never stayed silent if someone is using it to hurt people. People are and ought to be liable.
The "Trump Colluded with Russia®™ to Steal the 2016 Election" propaganda campaign certainly hurt people.
Who should hold these propagandists liable?
"...She is of course exactly right. We’re stupid monkeys contending with mass literacy and the internet...."
Correct spelling "We’re" with "I'm" and you got a winner, steaming pile of lefty shit.
Sorry I didn't mean to leave the illiterate out. You're fucking shit up too.
You do not believe in free speech.
No, he doesn't. That's why his kind needs to be resisted and genocided.
I believe in shutting up when you don't have anything interesting to say, sure.
Tony is from the Marxist wing of the Libertarian
party
An oxymoronic phrase. Tony isn't a libertarian.
Correct. He's a white leftist, one of the world's worst people.
Why are you such a fucking bigot?
I'll take the Voltaire please, hold the Ardern.
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Um, who exactly is saying that?