Germany's Criminalization of Online Offensiveness Shows the Perils of Weakening the First Amendment
A crackdown on insults, hate speech, and misinformation punishes dissenters who express themselves in ways that offend government officials.

Americans who are alarmed by online "hate speech" and "misinformation" tend to resent the limits that the First Amendment imposes on government intervention against objectionable content. But German authorities do not suffer from such constraints, and the consequences should give pause to critics who are sympathetic to the idea that freedom of speech sweeps too broadly in the United States. As a New York Times story published today shows, the ongoing German crackdown on "hate speech, insults and misinformation" has predictably subjected political dissenters to police investigation and criminal penalties for expressing their views in ways that offend the powers that be.
The article begins by describing a case involving an apocryphal quote attributed to Green Party politician Margarete Bause. "Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal," Bause supposedly said, "is not a reason for deportation."
After an unnamed 51-year-old man shared that "fake remark" on Facebook, police visited his home, which they searched for half an hour, seizing a laptop and tablet as evidence. He now faces a fine equivalent to about $1,400. Even if he did not realize the comment was bogus, prosecutors said, "the accused bears the risk of spreading a false quote without checking it."
That penalty, Bause tells the Times, was "a warning shot that they can't just accuse and hurt people with impunity." Svenja Meininghaus, a prosecutor who participated in the case, concurs. "There has to be a line you cannot cross," he says. "There has to be consequences."
The raid on the Facebook user's home was one of about 100 conducted on the same day last March, "part of a coordinated nationwide crackdown that continues to this day." As police and prosecutors see it, they are deterring potentially lethal speech. Their crusade was partly inspired by a neo-Nazi's June 2019 assassination of Walter Lübcke, a local politician who "became a regular target of online abuse after a 2015 video of him had circulated in far-right circles." In that video, Lübcke "suggested to a local audience that anyone who did not support taking in refugees could leave Germany themselves."
Violence of any kind, let alone murder, is obviously an intolerable response to speech. But the German government has taken the further step of deeming speech that might inspire violence intolerable. Since criminal laws are ultimately enforced at the point of a gun, the government has thereby authorized violence in response to speech—the very evil it supposedly is fighting.
In the United States, concerns about violence can justify restrictions on speech only in narrowly defined circumstances, such as "true threats" and intentional incitement of imminent lawlessness. Another, potentially broader exception, for "fighting words," originally applied to "words that by their very utterance inflict injury" and "speech that incites an immediate breach of the peace." After announcing that doctrine in 1942, the Supreme Court repeatedly narrowed it, to the point that many critics think it is no longer a viable rationale for upholding a criminal conviction.
In Germany, speech protections are substantially weaker. The government has long treated Holocaust denial and the display of Nazi imagery as crimes, for example, and it prohibits "incitement to hatred" more generally. It is also a crime to insult someone publicly or engage in "malicious gossip."
The latitude that such laws grant was vividly illustrated last year by a case involving a Twitter user who insulted Andy Grote, a Hamburg official who had violated the pandemic-inspired social distancing rules he was charged with enforcing by "hosting a small election party in a downtown bar." After Grote tweeted about the need for responsible behavior to avoid a return to lockdowns, the critic replied: "du bist so 1 Pimmel"—"you are such a dick."
Three months later, that succinct retort prompted an early-morning police raid, which in turn provoked a backlash that came to be known as Pimmelgate. "Activists printed stickers of the Twitter remark and plastered them around Hamburg, forcing the police to clean them up," the Times notes. "Then activists painted a mural with the phrase, forcing the police to paint it over more than once."
The case "raised concerns that illegal speech was too vaguely defined and gave local prosecutors and the police too much discretion about enforcement." As if to prove that point, police subsequently raided the home of Alexander Mai, an Augsburg climate activist who got into a Facebook argument with "a local far-right politician named Andreas Jurca." Mai's crime: He responded to a Jurca message "criticizing Muslims" by posting a link to a photo of the "du bist so 1 Pimmel" mural.
Mai suspects that "the raid was politically motivated because of his climate activism." However well-grounded that suspicion might be, the breadth of Germany's speech restrictions is an invitation to abuse by any cop or prosecutor with a political or personal grudge. And contrary to what progressives who rail against "hate speech" and "misinformation" might expect, the victims are not necessarily wrong-thinking people promoting retrograde ideas.
In addition to battling messages they think might inspire violence or hatred, German officials claim to be promoting freedom of speech by making online forums friendlier. Josephine Ballon, legal director at HateAid, a Berlin organization that "provides legal aid for victims of online abuse," thinks that makes sense. Because of trolling and ad hominem attacks, she tells the Times, "people withdraw from debate more and more and don't dare to express their political opinion."
But what happens when the government investigates and punishes people for remarks that it considers insulting, hateful, or misinformed? Unlike "online abuse," those efforts are backed by legally authorized force, which is apt to have an even stronger chilling effect.
"You can't prosecute everyone," a former Justice Ministry official tells the Times, "but it will have a big effect if you show that prosecution is possible." That is precisely the problem.
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Silly Germans, don't they know you just get the social media companies to do the censoring for you?
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“There has to be a line you cannot cross,”
That line should be lying, the coercion of misinforming others under the false authority of truth to act in the liars interest instead of their own.
But the line these fascists are using is instead a moving target, loosely based on propaganda.
It’s already been a crime for decades to research and share evidence of logic and science proving that the holocaust did not occur as claimed in every nation where it allegedly occurred, including Germany.
When the truth of forensic evidence is a crime, there is no justice.
The following points refute key elements of the holocaust with logic and science. This is because all stories creating the holocaust narrative defy logic and science.
There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence. Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred.
The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That never happened.
Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.
And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.
Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish
survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school
Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of.
Are you willingly performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?
The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers.
The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
Are you performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe that the Red Cross were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% or 5,629,000 deaths?
Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.
According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.
Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.
If Germans had used gas engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though they had plenty of gas for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Which stupid lie is more believable? You have to perform some feeble mental gymnastics to buy that.
Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.
There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.
The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”.
David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
Sooo...it was only like 5-6% of the accepted figure of 6,000,000 dead Jews, homos and gypsies?? Maybe 10% if you accept the Red Cross might not have had access to all sites.
Well that makes it alright then!! Why hell, if the Jews were threatening Germany, I guess it makes the whole kerfuffle kind of a moral "draw", don't it, podner?
Ah won't even bring up the matter of all those unpaid-for tattoos.
The only noteworthy observation about your reply is that you didn’t refute anything I said.
Nah, let’s bring up those tattoos.
“An SS officer would sort the prisoners into two lines: those sent to the right were immediately killed in the gas chambers, those sent to the left were put to work in the forced labor camps. After their heads were shaved and their personal possessions removed, the prisoners were officially registered.
Beginning in 1941, this registration consisted of a tattoo,” JVL
Sooo… if the plan was Jewish extermination, with so many other religions available for labour, why did even a single Jew get a tattoo and survive the entire war?
Or you can try to answer the inverse. When large numbers of Greek dockworkers were Jewish, and the Nazis desperately needed the skilled labor, why did they ship them all off to “relocation camps” never to be seen again?
Gee, I wonder where millions of other people interred by the Nazis went, too?
No Holocaust revisionists even fucking dispute the Nazis own Einsatzgruppen figures. Which makes it around 2 million in Poland and the USSR. Baseline. And they actually have pretty good records of who got deported out of occupied Europe. Down to the specific trains in some cases.
Why do you act indignant that the Nazis could be capable of mass murder, when No one disputes they killed tens of thousands of GERMAN children, elderly and invalids to save a buck and purify the gene pool. And they actually liquidated even more Slavs than Jews to achieve their racial socialist paradise of lebensraum. Especially if you tack on Soviet prisoners of war. So why is it so crazy they might pull this shit on europes Jews after Hitler promised he would?
It’s the nazi denialist tactic to pretend there’s no hard evidence when there’s actually such a preponderance of human misery that it’s almost impossible to just pull it out in a link (that you’d just hand wave away anyway), or without spending days in a response. And who the fucks going to do that when you’re just going to say “you haven’t refuted anything I said!”, like you do every fucking time? Like the obsessed, lying little automaton you are.
Because you haven’t refuted anything I’ve said.
But you’re refuted and full of shit.
“No Holocaust revisionists even fucking dispute the Nazis own Einsatzgruppen figures.”
“However, his British lawyer R. T. Paget demonstrated that whole areas supposedly cleared of jews contained many flourishing jewish communities that were actually fully functional and untouched throughout the entire war. Clearly the reports in this one area at least, were false or at least greatly exaggerated. The court looked closely at this and accepted the unreliability factor of Einsatzgruppen reports and von Manstein was acquitted. This issue of false reports being filed could be explainable via certain speculations, but more research is needed. Manstein himself did not reference the Einsatzgruppen or even jews at all in his published memoirs.”
Shove off, Rob Misek.
Insanity is doing the same thing while expecting a different result.
How’s that working out for you loser?
Surprise me and refute anything I say.
Rob Misek is a faggot.
“There has to be a line you cannot cross.” And that line is apparently somewhere west of the Maginot.
“the fortified border that was supposed to serve as France’s salvation instead became a symbol of a failed strategy.“
Oh la la!
Youre a faggot.
This is how I clearly and unambiguously ensure that what I say represents truth, reality.
I value the inalienable human right to free speech.
I value the supremacy of correctly applied logic and science in discerning and demonstrating truth aka reality.
I value the application of both in open debate to conclude and demonstrate that truth can never be refuted while untruths can be.
I commit that if what I say is ever refuted, I’ll never say it again.
Who else can honestly say this and back it up as I do?
Does this represent the character of your bogeyman?
I challenge you to describe how you or anyone else has refuted anything I’ve said and prove your claim with a link to the alleged conversation.
This is where all you lying, bleating, waste of skin trolls cut and run.
I would be curious to hear your thoughts on David Irving v Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt, during which many of these factual disputes were examined and adjudicated. I have to assume you think it was wrongly decided.
I’m sure you would.
Be more specific. Make an argument if you have one.
Irving was convicted of holocaust denial aka the mere presentation of evidence of logic and science that refutes the holocaust story as told.
Whether the holocaust story is true or not was not on trial.
What could his defence have been?
I would be also interested in your view on the extensive archive of film and photos documenting the events, both those purportedly seized from Nazi archives and those produced during the Allied advance into Europe.
I’m sure you would.
Be more specific. Make an argument if you have one.
Because there have been a grand total of ZERO official forensic studies there is no physical evidence proving that the holocaust occurred.
The story depends solely upon paid and coerced testimony and the fact that providing ANY evidence that refutes it is a crime to look for or share in EVERY nation where it allegedly occurred.
Even so, the story told itself defies logic and science.
We must believe that the Nazis were so efficient and diabolical that they completely destroyed ALL physical evidence such that not even the most stringent forensic analysis could ever find any.
We must believe that they knew the allies had broken the enigma code when they used it to deceive about prison camp information but still used it to communicate their actual military plans. To believe that we must believe they intentionally lost the war to cover up the holocaust.
Yet we must believe they allowed their actions to be photographed and stored in archives and for Jewish witnesses to live.
And we must believe that they chose to use insecticide IMPROPERLY applied and facilities IMPROPERLY designed to carry out their plans.
Simple photographs are a dime a dozen.
If you want to actually read what has been censored from you.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23629458-breaking-the-spell
Chortle.
You know who else restricted the free speech of Germans?
Nonsense. Germans were free to praise Hitler as much as they wanted.
Who said anything about Hitler? We're talking about Napoleon here.
Say what you will about Hitler, but he certainly made an impact.
Cite?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
Imagine the mayhem Hasselhoff could have caused if they let him speak freely.
Now he's small potatoes
Walter Ulbrichtt? Erich Honecker? Erich Mielke? Egon Krenz?
Charles III the Fat?
Americans who are alarmed by online "hate speech" and "misinformation" tend to resent the limits that the First Amendment imposes on government intervention against objectionable content.
These people are often referred to as "pussies."
They often have blue hair, nose rings and pronouns instead of real names. They often suffer from a mental disorder that leads them to believe they are of a different gender.
Thank god we don’t live in Germany!
Got that right. And as a bonus, we have the bestest and most secure elections evah!
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pennsylvania-county-sues-dominion-voting-systems-over-severe-anomalies-2020-election
The lawsuit, filed Tuesday, claims that county officials "became aware of severe anomalies in the Dominion Voting Systems due to the inaccuracy and/or inability to reconcile voter data with votes actually cast and counted" by the company's proprietary system at or about the time of the 2020 election.
Officials cite a report from earlier this month which revealed that "security measures necessary to harden and secure" Dominion's systems had not been performed, and that "external USB hard drives had been inserted in the machines on several occasions" when there was "no known list of approved external drives that could have been or were used or inserted into the machines."
The county allegedly discovered that a "python script" had been installed on one device, which was "connected to an external device on an external network" reportedly located in Canada.
The script "can exploit and create any number of vulnerabilities including, external access to the system, data export of the tabulations, or introduction of other metrics not part of or allowed by the certification process."
Cleanest election ever.
If they just stopped looking.
After Herr Biden's rally, we're not that far.
All it was missing were eagles and some sort of, oh I dunno...a SYMBOL, like, for branding.
Let’s go branding.
As the billboard in Great Britain proclaimed, "Being offensive IS an offense."
I am sooo struggling to scowl at the cops using a Crime Squad law to smack down an econazi saboteur. Germany's idiot voters are about to feel frostbite for closing down perfectly safe reactors while their altruist KGB buddies turn off the gas. Maybe someone will post some amputated fingers on Faecebook come December or January...
I genuinely shocked american has taken so long to transform "hate speech" into "anti-regime speech"
“What do you mean, ‘Stop talking about the war!”’ You started it!@
“No we didn’t!@
“Yes you did! You invaded Poland!”
(soto voce) "Don't mention the war. I slipped up once, but I don't think they noticed."
"Criminalization of Online Offensiveness" The Germans should have a word for that.
Justin Trudeau poses.
Justin Trudeau gets his ass handed to him
https://twitter.com/RealAndyLeeShow/status/1573204097276477441
Was this before or after his little soiree at the karaoke pub?
It's a good thing nothing like that ever happens in America!
Too bad Trump didn't get a second term. He could have put a stop to fake news and liberal media bias.
Without being on twitter?
Germany has operated that way since Bismarck. You must be living under a rock of that surprises you. It’s punishable by law to insult or mock the state, its representatives, or its symbols. Being rude to police is illegal. Disseminating negative information about others is illegal even if true. Causing public offense or disquiet is illegal. Making statements that may cause Muslims to get violent is illegal. Photography showing people is strictly limited. Etc. And similar laws exist in many countries.
Who wants to stifle free speech with misinformation departments and ministries of truth? Liberals.
Who supports the 1st amendment in the US?
Conservatives.
Why won't Reason mention that?
Because it's one of those "inconvenient" things? What do they call 'em? Ah, "truth", that's what it was.
Unless supporting the First Amendment means letting private business owners control speech on their own privately-owned property.
Still peddling the lie that Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are "private business owners [making a voluntary choice to] control speech on their own privately-owned property".
Tell me: are you so ignorant that you actually believe that, or do you know that you're repeating a lie and just don't care?
By this time everyone with more than two functioning brain cells has come to the realization that Biden is using the tech companies to censor people. The tech companies are all too happy to comply.
If that doesn't work then Komrade Garland will send in the FBI.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/shocking-fbi-raid-on-home-of-pro-life-family/
Bake me a cake.
National Socialist ideology is still strong in Germany. Not long ago it rose against naming a passenger train Anne Frank, but broke out the champagne to christen one Martin Luther, the mystical Holy Father of the Positive Christian National Socialist faith. Yes that is changing, especially since East Germany collapsed. Still, brain washings run deep. Germany's Volksgenosse are endemic, much like the embarrassing MAGA Trumpanzees polluting Reason's commentariat to frighten away onlookers.
It is a shame that most countries don't respect freedom of expression like the USA does, and even here there is room for improvement.
How ironic that the current German government is practicing the very same thing the National Socialists/Nazis did during their reign of terror, censorship including arrest and detention.
The government in Germany is no better than the Nazi regime that ruled with an iron fist only this time there is a velvet glove covering that iron fist but it's an iron fist just the same.
The German people and all of Europe have no comprehension of the idea of freedom of speech. When one considers the history of Europe with its squalid royalty who, for hundreds of year ruled without hesitation and anyone who dared speak out was dealt with.
It's no different today. Germany has simply replaced the name of Adolph Hitler with the current chancellor and of course they are ruled over by the equally squalid European Union.
Unfortunately, freedom of speech is under attack here in America, led by squalid university professors indoctrinating and brainwashing young people into the idea of post modernist neo- Marxism have even called for the removal of the Constitution but what do they plan to replace it with? You'd better believe they plan to replace it with gulags, arrests and even executions for anyone who dares to utter any word against them.
A 60 year old has been convicted of demagoguery for criticizing the vaccine mandates by saying “vaccing sets you free” (because of “Arbeit macht free”, work sets you free).
That country is a joke.
https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/aichach/aichach-es-bleibt-dabei-impfen-macht-frei-ist-volksverhetzung-id62859001-amp.html
Btw it was my phone that turned frei into free and i didnt see it early enough
> Even if he did not realize the comment was bogus, prosecutors said, "the accused bears the risk of spreading a false quote without checking it.<
This doesn’t strike me as unreasonable.
The Last Humans
“In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell (1903-1950)
Survival and reproduction. Throughout the eons, the two characteristics of all life; yet, today demeaned by many Occidental Euro-Caucasians much to their detriment. The truth always is offensive to someone.
In the 14th-century, plague killed half the human population of Eurasia. Now, microbiologists tell us that another plague is waiting in the wings to strike soon again, only this time likely viral not bacterial. Curiously, evidence already exists that different races may fare differently as a result of their biological contexts — their different genomes. Negroes in West Africa may fare better than anyone else including even other Negroes in Africa.
Has the carnage already begun with the man-made CoViD-19 from a laboratory in China? Possibly. The trend of the current variants momentarily may seem benign but actually is potentially ominous. Their increasing contagion with decreasing virulence offers no guarantee that virulence will not mutate to become highly lethal. If so, for survivors, if any, what then? Economically, politically, sociologically, and biologically?
https://www.nationonfire.com/negroes/ .