Is It Too Much To Ask That Politicians Know What They're Talking About?
The answer to “Why should these people go to prison?” should not be ill-informed gibberish.

It's bad enough when you're governed by people who are hostile to your values. It's that much worse when the folks in charge not only inflict bad policy, but also very obviously don't know or don't care what they're talking about on their way to doing their worst. As unpleasant as it is to be under the thumb of your enemies, it's the height of frustration to be governed by idiots.
"I'll protect the First Amendment any day of the week," New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) recently told NBC's Chuck Todd. "But you don't protect hate speech. You don't protect incendiary speech. You're not allowed to scream 'fire' in a crowded theater. There are limitations on speech."
Hochul spoke after the racist mass murder at a Buffalo supermarket, so she can be forgiven a strong reaction. She undoubtedly expected a positive reception for her proposal to muzzle despicable ideas connected to a crime. But as a lawyer and elected official, she can't be forgiven for the mistaken claim that horrifying crimes overrule free speech rights. And yes, nasty, offensive, and hateful speech is protected.
"The First Amendment makes no general exception for offensive, repugnant, or hateful expression," the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education pointed out earlier this year. "A key problem with regulating hate speech, as free-speech scholars such as Nadine Strossen have identified, is that it remains difficult, if not impossible, to define exactly what constitutes hate speech. There remains an eye-of-the-beholder phenomenon with hate speech."
Germany, which has set itself up as the poster child for stupid speech restrictions, demonstrated the danger when its NetzDG law against "hate speech" ensnared comedians along with people who just offended the powers-that-be shortly after it was implemented.
No doubt New York City Mayor Eric Adams also expected attaboys when he turned "high prices suck, amirite?" sentiment into policy by imposing price controls on baby formula.
"This emergency executive order will help us to crack down on any retailer looking to capitalize on this crisis by jacking up prices on this essential good," he huffed. "Our message to struggling mothers and families is simple: Our city will do everything in its power to assist you during this challenging period."
But maybe Adams should have taken a moment to grasp that the last time politicians tried to "help" baby formula buyers they set the stage for the current shortage with high tariffs on imported formula, bizarre labeling rules, and other ill-considered regulations. The result was an industry with a few government-connected suppliers, too rigid to quickly respond to disruption. Limiting what can be charged for a scarce commodity won't improve the situation.
"Among economists, price gouging isn't a thing," wrote Antony Davies, associate professor of economics at Duquesne University and James Harrigan, then the managing director of the Center for the Philosophy of Freedom at the University of Arizona, in a 2020 column. "The term simply reflects the emotional response non-economists have to rapid price increases."
"Passing a law that holds the price down doesn't change the reality that there isn't enough to go around," they added. "But it does incent buyers to hoard and dissuades sellers from bringing more to market, which is exactly the opposite of what we want."
Eric Adams isn't an economist, but there are more than a few people with such expertise rattling around Wall Street and university economics departments in his city. Surely, they could tell him that his policy will do more harm than good, if he cared to listen.
But politicians don't listen so much as they posture for supporters and preen for television cameras. That's why we get impassioned calls for legislation that just can't wait another day from officials who don't have the slightest clue about the subject over which they want to threaten people with fines and arrest.
Former Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D–N.Y.) may live forever as a meme for her description of the barrel shroud, a specifically forbidden feature of the "assault weapons" she wanted to ban, as a "shoulder thing that goes up." It is not anything of the sort. She might have been better off sticking with her preliminary and honest admission that "I actually don't know what a barrel shroud is."
And if firearms have legislators baffled, don't get them started on the Internet.
"How do you sustain a business model in which users don't pay for your service?" The late Sen. Orrin Hatch (R–Utah) suspiciously quizzed Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg during testimony in 2018.
"Senator, we run ads," Zuckerberg replied, more than a decade after implementing that revenue model on the popular social media platform.
"Will you commit to ending finsta?" Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D–Conn.) demanded of another Facebook exec last year. He was apparently unaware that "finsta" is slang for a secondary Instagram account and neither especially nefarious nor really under company control.
And the less said about former President Trump's medical musings (injectable disinfectant, anybody?) the better.
Look, nobody can be expected to be up to speed on every subject under the sun. But it's more than fair to insist that government officials at least consult with people who know what the hell they're talking about before taking potentially ruinous action. Lawmakers should have a basic grasp of whatever they're carrying on about and actually think that it's bad before they use the power of the state to hurt people who engage in that supposedly bad thing. The answer to "why should these people be threatened with prison?" should not, under any circumstances, be a stream of ill-informed gibberish.
Much of the argument against intrusive and presumptuous government is based on the potential for malice and self-serving in officeholders and the opportunity to do harm that a far-reaching state offers to those who are intolerant of people who think and live differently. It's difficult enough to battle such creatures. We shouldn't also have to face off against those who foolishly wield the power of their positions based on nothing more than abject idiocy.
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[We] shouldn't also have to face off against those who foolishly wield the power of their positions based on nothing more than abject idiocy.
Nope; [WE] shouldn't have to build [WE] mobs of Gov-Gun POWER to endlessly battle out who's "hostile to your values" gets to dictate them.
Perhaps that's why the USA is a CONSTITUTIONAL Republic and not a [WE] mob Democratic Dictation...
And there you have it all cleared up; The very baseline of all the 'idiocy'.. Democrats championing "democracy" over a Constitution of 'values'...
Yes
I would say opinion writers and journalists should be required to know about topics as well.
lol, bye Reason.
That's gonna leave a mark.
Or at least know how to use a search engine - - - - - - -
Well, that's a novel idea.
Hochul spoke after the racist mass murder at a Buffalo supermarket, so she can be forgiven a strong reaction.
There wasn't anything racist about the Buffalo shooting. The guy was an environut who wants everyone dead for the good of the earth.
Is it too much to ask that Reason not repeat every MSM lie as Gospel truth?
Well, aside from his discussion online about how he searched for the densest black population available and surveilled the site before returning, sure... Totally nothing racist.
He is a rabid leftist self-described as a "moderate authoritarian" after getting over communism. If you believe the FBI's ghostwritten manifesto.
If the FBI had ghostwritten that, it would have been a pro Trump manifesto.
Even when it was a word for word copy of a previous "manifesto" written? Both claiming to be personally motivated and original, mind.
Agreed.
She shouldn't be forgiven. Her "strong" reaction was to push her political agenda, not out of concern for the victims or their families.
I thought it was a basic thing you learned in school that hate speech is the only speech that needs protection. Popular speech certainly is not facing government sanction.
Dude's manifesto had a bunch of shit about wanting an ethnostate (white) and trying to intimidate "replacers" into leaving.
Dude's manifesto was basically copypasta from the one the New Zealand mosque shooter copypastad.
Are you saying we should rely on the experts instead? That may not work any better than listening to the jackasses.
Where do you think the jackasses get their talking points if not from the "experts"?
Yeah. That worked real good with COVID. The so called "experts" sucked up to the politicians and changing the "science" to align with the goals of those politicians.
...That day government started funding and making 'science'...
Well, people who know what they are talking about. I think "experts" means something else now.
"Former Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D–N.Y.) "
Unfortunately she is still a member of Congress and has been for thirty years. I guess there is a solid electorate for stupid.
Nope. She retired in 2019.
Nope. She retired.
My bad. Confused her with Maloney another gun control Dem.
Apologies.
You bumbled into that one.
it *was* inevitable.
Meh, she still held on for an unholy long time and left on her own terms 20-some years after proving she knew nothing about her pet legislative "achievement". Your point remains valid
Embarrassing mistake given the premise of the article.
Supposed to be a reply for Mr. Bumble.
The job of a politician is to win elections. I'd think that knowing what they're talking about would be more of a hinderance than an asset.
Thanks to the abject failure of the media to do actual reporting there is a built in base of voters who believe anything politicians say.
Individuals are smart. People are stupid.
You need to talk to more individuals.
The problem is that too many people measure "smart" as being IQ. The problem is that IQ is normalized to the population. As a result "smart" people aren't that uncommon, ~50% by definition, but those who are much below average have an increasing likelihood of being taken as having cloven hooves.
No offense to our intelligent cloven hoofed friends.
The primary defect of the democratic forms of government are hordes of uniformed voters who cast blind ballots on nothing but party and name recognition and otherwise ignore political matters for the rest of the year. It lets the politicians do as they please because most states and districts are an automatic lock for the incumbent since active citizens who care about things like competency and integrity in their political leaders are largely drowned out by the ignorant masses.
Not that I have good solution to the problem by any means
"The job of a politician is to win elections."
This is certainly the way a politician perceives it. But their job, and what their constituents think is their job, is to represent their constituents. So the two are clearly at odds as the first incents the politician to fool their constituents into thinking their interests are being meaningfully represented. This is one of the problems that term limits may circumvent as it is harder to fool people in a shorter versus a longer time frame.
Term limits are a pipe dream because it depends on the politicians to implement it, and nobody in their right mind is going to term limit themselves out of a sweet gig like Congress
Yeah, yeah, constitutional conventions... I'll get started on that right away 😉
Is this a trick question?
Good to know that next time I'm in a crowded theater in New York, and I think the place is on fire, I'm to keep my mouth shut.
The governor and the mayor will thank you for your thoughtfulness.
If there is a need to know about the fire, the authorities will provide properly curated information.
A panel of experts has evaluated similar theater fire claims and found them to be unsubstantiated. Click here to learn more
Vote everyone out, every time.
Is It Too Much To Ask That Journalists Know What They're Talking About?
When you look at Reason, the answer appears to be “Yes”.
Mary Chapin Carpenter has a line for that:
"It's too much to expect, but not too much to ask"
Politicians have always been idiots. Because people have always been idiots.
For example, politicians in charge of deciding whether women could vote, who sincerely believed that the epidemic of "hysteria" was due to wandering uteruses. Today we have significant high office candidates who believe in astrology, conspiracy theores, and medical quackery. Are they any different?
The solution is to limit their power. Not expand it. But both parties want to expand the power given to politicians. And so we end up with dumber and dumber politicians with greater and greater power.
I've said this before. The only reason Obama was dangerous was because he was a mortal saddled with more power than any other human being in all of history. I said it again. The only reason Trump was dangerous was because he he had all that power inherited from Obama. Now we have Scary Joe, only scary because he has the unfathomable power that Trump had.
The answer is restrained and limited government.
How can government be constrained? That's the libertarian conundrum. People don't run for office to undo. They run for office to do stuff. Someone who promises to cut government is promising to eliminate government jobs, government contracts, and/or transfer payments. How many voters are going to support a candidate who promises that? Not many.
Too bad we don't have a document listing the fundamental rules for governance, including specific restrictions on authority.
“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.” -L. Spooner
That's not a problem when we have a Supreme Court to rule that up is down, the sky is green, and "shall not be infringed" means that most of these restrictions are actually OK.
First thing we can do is stop electing Strong Man leaders and then pretend we're small government types. Yes, I'm talking about Trump. The message may never get through the heads of the voters, but that's no reason to stop the message. Giving up and advocating authoritarianism instead just leads to more authoritarianism. I mean, duh.
How can you be so obtuse? The authoritarians are the ones who oppose Trump. Look at where we were when he was in office, and where we are now.
"How can government be constrained? That's the libertarian conundrum. People don't run for office to undo. They run for office to do stuff. Someone who promises to cut government is promising to eliminate government jobs, government contracts, and/or transfer payments. "
A conceptually simple, and likely controversial, solution that would help considerably:
1). Those who work for whatever level of government cannot vote in elections for that level of government. So: if one works for the federal government, they cannot vote in Presidential or Congressional elections. Apply this principle similarly for state, county, and local elections as well. Even the proverbial dog catcher.
2.) To plug the inevitable shenanigans that would be employed to work around #1 by outsourcing, if one works for a company that contracts to whatever level of the government, one may not participate in elections for that level of government.
On the other hand, these ideas have no chance of being discussed, let alone implemented, probably ever. LOL!
Obama was dangerous because he was a charismatic Marxist. Criminalize Marxism and a lot of problems are solved.
what's that thing where you're supposed to look in the mirror first?
Shaving?
Making sure you're not a vampire?
do you need the mirror to know?
Germany, which has set itself up as the poster child for stupid speech restrictions, demonstrated the danger when its NetzDG law against "hate speech" ensnared comedians along with people who just offended the powers-that-be shortly after it was implemented.
Feature. Why do you think the left is uniformly anti-free speech?
Because they perceive themselves to be gaining power and free speech is a threat to their new establishment.
Or more directly, because free speech (all that chatter on Reddit, Twitbook, et. al.) is what made Donald Trump popular and they want to damned well make sure no one can do that again. Not that this should be taken as my endorsement of Trump (it isn't) but his campaign revealed the huge threat that free speech imposes when it puts ideas in the common people's heads
Between these two lines of questioning, Orrin Hatch was, arguably, asking a reasonable question. for instance, I could see myself asking Zuckerberg this question as a means to get to another issue: When users pay for a service, they're the customer, when they receive the service for free, they're the product.
Of course, there's nothing inherently wrong with this business model, but it would be helpful if users realized that before clicking "I agree" to the terms of service.
Some of us actually read the full terms of service, and the full privacy policy.
You can tell us because we are not on social media.
Posting in comments sections is a form of social media.
Just like broadcast TV, the advertisers are the customers.
Hochul has the same ethics as Eric Cartman.
Better question in a democracy: is it too much to ask that voters know what they are talking about?
No, it's not too much to ask, but it is waaaaaaaaaaay to much to expect.
Jeff Ward, formally of KLBJ Austin, said this one best - "They are nothing but bottom feeding maggots who's only goal after getting elected is to get re-elected."
What makes that so bad is the fact that they know it. They also know there is only a tiny fraction of the people that they need to please in order to get re-elected (e.g. donors, union leaders, church leaders, etc.). As long as they can keep the right few people on their side and the rest of their constituents sufficiently distracted, they have no need to know what they are talking about on any given issue.
I mean, most of you don't know what the fuck you're talking about but yet here you are, employed all the same.
So...
What would you know? You’re a retarded Marxist. It’s a testament to American tolerance that you’re even allowed to live.
Is it too much to ask reporters to validate their stories?
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-suggest-people-inject-poison-cure-covid-1619105
"Is It Too Much To Ask That Politicians Know What They're Talking About?"
Yes, it is.
The next thing you know you will want politicians be responsible for their actions.
Then what?
"Is It Too Much To Ask That Politicians Know What They're Talking About?"
If that were a requirement, there would be a ton of vacant seats in government.
Sounds perfect.
"And the less said about former President Trump's medical musings (injectable disinfectant, anybody?) the better."
Is it too much to ask that pundits know what they're talking about? See "Drinking bleach hoax"
"I'll protect the First Amendment any day of the week," New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) recently told NBC's Chuck Todd. "But..."
IOWs you do not protect A1.
"...And the less said about former President Trump's medical musings (injectable disinfectant, anybody?) the better..."
Stuff your TDS up your ASS, you pathetic piece of shit. Your head wants company.
hochul is right that free speech is regulated, but she's wrong about so called "hate speech". so called "hate speech" is free speech. free speech, by definition, includes ugly speech that you may dislike.