Coronavirus

It's Not Fake News: Trump Did Actually Suggest That Injecting Bleach Could Be a Cure for COVID-19

The president added that the procedure is something "you're going to have to use medical doctors with."

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This morning Kayleigh McEnany, the new White House press secretary, slammed news outlets for reporting that President Donald Trump had suggested injecting household disinfectants might prove to be an effective cure for COVID-19. "President Trump has repeatedly said that Americans should consult with medical doctors regarding coronavirus treatment, a point that he emphasized again during yesterday's briefing," she said. "Leave it to the media to irresponsibly take President Trump out of context and run with negative headlines."

Is that what they did? The context of Trump's remarks was a presentation by William Bryan, a senior Department of Homeland Security official who oversees science and technology issues. Bryan summarized the results of experiments that found exposure to sunlight dramatically reduced the half-life of coronavirus particles on nonporous surfaces such as door handles and stainless steel. He also noted that applying bleach "will kill the virus in five minutes," while isopropyl alcohol "will kill the virus in 30 seconds." Here is Trump's response to that information, according to the official White House transcript of the press briefing:

I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous—whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light—and I think you said that that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. It sounds interesting…

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds—it sounds interesting to me.

Trump's comments apparently were alarming enough to prompt an advisory from Reckitt Benckiser, the British manufacturer of Lysol and Dettol cleaning products. I say "apparently" because the advisory does not mention Trump specifically, but it was first posted around noon London time, about 12 hours after the press briefing, which concluded close to midnight for the folks at Reckitt Benckiser. Here is what they said:

Due to recent speculation and social media activity, RB (the makers of Lysol and Dettol) has been asked whether internal administration of disinfectants may be appropriate for investigation or use as a treatment for coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2).

As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route). As with all products, our disinfectant and hygiene products should only be used as intended and in line with usage guidelines. Please read the label and safety information.

Did the president recommend that Americans inject themselves with bleach as a COVID-19 cure or prophylactic? Strictly speaking, no. As McEnany emphasized, he said "you're going to have to use medical doctors" for that sort of thing. But he did idly speculate that, since disinfectants kill the COVID-19 virus on surfaces, it was worth investigating whether they might work as a treatment, and he specifically mentioned "injection," which was not only scientifically naive but reckless given the prevalence of quack remedies and wacky ideas about how to ward off the disease.

Unlike Trump's hopeful remarks about the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment, which people unfairly blamed for the death of a man who swallowed the fish tank cleaner chloroquine phosphate, his out-loud wondering about the possible benefits of injecting disinfectant had no scientific basis and might encourage potentially deadly experimentation. "This notion of injecting or ingesting any type of cleansing product into the body is irresponsible, and it's dangerous," pulmonologist Vin Gupta told NBC News. "It's a common method that people utilize when they want to kill themselves."

Trump's suggestion about using "ultraviolet or just very powerful light" to eliminate the virus inside infected patients, while less likely to kill anyone, was equally fanciful (although it did work on the flying jellyfish that attacked Mr. Spock, albeit with a major side effect). "I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there's any way that you can apply light and heat to cure," he told a reporter. Turning to Deborah Birx, the physician who runs the White House's coronavirus task force, he asked, "Deborah, have you ever heard of that? The heat and the light…relative to this virus?" Her answer was firm but diplomatic: "Not as a treatment."

Update: Today Trump claimed he was just kidding about injecting disinfectants, an explanation that was notably absent from McEnany's statement. "I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen," he said during a bill signing. You be the judge:

 

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  1. *pops a bag of popcorn*

    1. INB4 a Trump supporter posts a link to Zero Hedge article about how government suppressed a study showing the health benefits of drinking bleach.

      1. What a sad pathetic little man you must be.

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          1. What a sad, pathetic little man you must be.

      2. You made it, but just barely!

        1. Hahaha, Trump supporters are actually gonna die on this hill. I am entertained (in a sad way).

          1. The fact that anyone who is pointing out how disingenuous your take and Reasons on the President’s actual statements makes someone automatically a Trump supporter in your mind says all we need to know about your critical thinking skills.

            1. C’mon man. You’re better than this. Just join the rest of the world in laughing that a president would even bring this up. Whether it was a recommendation or he was asking if it was feasible, it shows he is a moron in way over his head.

              This is not what good leaders look like.

              1. In an earlier article, I mentioned that I had heard that tanning beds may show good results in treating Covid-19 hysteria (Wang Chung-Flu for the layperson) and Sevo got upset. Even when elaborating on something good that his daddy said, the Trump Buttplug Club still gets upset. You can’t win with these people!

                1. I was gonna Wang Chung tonite.

                  1. Hopefully none of the inappropriate remarks contained in the comments above were intended sarcastically. Sarcasm, incidentally, means “a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain.” Hopefully the legislature will take measures to criminalize all forms of sarcasm, making appropriate exceptions for certain influential members of society, such as the precedent. There is, of course, ample president: see the documentation of our nation’s leading criminal “satire” case at

                    https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

                2. YOU CAN’T HOLD THE DUMB SHIT TRUMP SAYS AGAINST HIM!

                  1. It’d be funny if you didn’t still throw yourself on your sword daily here defending stupid shit Obama and Pelosi said 8 years ago.

              2. They are laughing at the out of context quote being pushed by people like you. However, while his statement is not great it is not nearly as bad as your ilk is making it out.

                1. It’s pretty bad, man. If it came from anyone older than 12, I would assume they had a learning disability.

                  1. Except as has been pointed out that in the past hydrogen peroxide injection and nebulizers have been used effectively, as has UV. So it has at least some basis in science. It is questionable if it is proper here but people acting as if it was the dumbest remark ever are showing their own scientific illiteracy and or bias.

                    1. How old are you?

                    2. What the fuck does it matter? Nearly 44, if you must know. Not that it disputes anything I fucking said.

                    3. Hear that? That was the sound of a joke going over your head.

                    4. If you have to explain a joke it isn’t very funny. And if it was an attempt at a joke it was completely puerile.

                    5. Except Trump himself is backpedaling and claiming he was joking.

                      He clearly wasn’t if you watch the video, but Trump himself has undermined the arguments here that there was nothing dumb about what he suggested.

                      That’s one of the big problems with rising to defend Trump.

                    6. Except Trump isn’t backpedaling and claiming he was joking, Tommy T Jeff you lying sack of shit.

                      He said it was a sarcastic comment, not a “joke” and if you had actually watched the video instead of relying on Sullum’s JournoList fuckery, you would see that’s exactly what it was. He wasn’t endorsing or implying injecting anything, and he certainly didn’t mention bleach.

                      Allowing dishonest garbage like this is why people no longer trust Reason.

                    7. Oh, OK, so now sarcasm isn’t a type of humor. Let’s play word games!

                    8. Thats how I read it. All vaccines and a lot of cancer treatments have some nasty stuff in them, kill the disease, almost kill the patient. Trump presentation is horrible. He’s doing a lot of the right things but PLEASE STFU, introduce the doctors, Pence, and sit down. Him and Cuome are from the same mold, they love to hear the sound of their own voices and want to be in charge. Stop it!! You closed off China before we had one death-Good, you took a little too long to clear up some red tape, that’s the way government has always worked, you ramped up the ventilators Cuomo was screaming about that he didn’t need which should have shut him up. Things are rolling now. The democrats still could have won in 2020, but Biden? as he says “Gimme a Break man’ the guy is in early alzheimers. Let the doctors run this, nothing goes back to normal until we have a vaccine.

                    9. Interesting:

                      An Experimental Ultraviolet Light Treatment for Covid-19 Takes Political Heat

                      Trump was apparently talking about this experimental treatment. And as soon as the social media giants figured it out, they started censoring the people doing the research.

                  2. What’s bad is being so dishonest, to your core, that you don’t think posting a link to a liberal authors article and saying it’s conservative is dishonest.

                    It’s actually mind blowing!

                  3. “It’s pretty bad, man. If it came from anyone older than 12, I would assume they had a learning disability.”

                    Except that what’s reported is a lie, and lefty dimwits like you can’t seem to separate truth from lies.

                    1. He’s truly a sociopath. You can catch him directly lying, and he’ll say he wasn’t really.

                  4. “It’s pretty bad, man. If it came from anyone older than 12, I would assume they had a learning disability.”

                    Or possibly worse.

                    1. Yes they are being purposely dishonest.

                    2. The people who are ridiculing it and misrepresenting it. For clarification.

                    3. How do you type with your tongue on Trump’s scrotum and your hands on Trump’s cheeks, soldiermedic?

                  5. This article is just another demagogic joke. Trump was obviously talking about research.
                    Sullum, and everyone on the JournoList are busy pretending (lying) that he’s issuing health recommendations in this instance instead.

                    Hey Sullum! Do you realize what a lying hack you’re going to look like in twenty-five years because of this garbage? By that time the Trump years will be less relevant and these “resistance” pieces will be recognized as the masturbatory fantasy they actually are.

                2. It isn’t even as bad as that. From the transcript:
                  And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful. Steve, please. (30:500)

                  Jim: (34:05)
                  The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?

                  Bill Bryan: (34:16)
                  No, I’m here to talk about the finds that we had in the study. We don’t do that within that lab at our labs.

                  Donald Trump: (34:22) [crosstalk 00:34:22] It wouldn’t be through injections, [inaudible 00:34:25] almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big affect if it’s on a stationary object.

              3. You’re such a dishonest piece of shit, that you don’t think it’s dishonest to post a link to a liberal author’s article and say it’s conservative.

              4. Maybe good leaders are standing around pawing 12-year old girls and sniffing their hair?

            2. Ok, I am done with this thread. This has really been mindblowing. Trump was right. If he shot someone on Fifth Avenue in broad daylight, his supporters would still defend him.

              1. “The default libertarian position is always to criticize the President!”

              2. Your done because you can’t offer a counter argument other than Orange Man is bad.

              3. *You’re

            3. I don’t really know what context makes this sound less dumb (if someone can provide one for me, I will reconsider):

              And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds—it sounds interesting to me.

              No, he is not recommending drinking bleach. But that is an incredibly naive thought. If there was any conceivable way to safely do something like that, we’d have been treating viruses that way for ages. For fuck’s sake, Donald, at least run it by someone else before you blab something like that at a press conference.

              1. As had been pointed out a lot of medications are pretty fucking deadly and that injecting hydrogen peroxide has been used effectively in the past for some treatments. So who is being stupid here?

                1. You are.

                  We actually know what disinfectant and EM radiation (light) do when applied internally, and it isn’t cutting viral infections. Stop digging.

                  1. Except your body already uses disinfectants to combat viruses. Hydrogen peroxide to be exact.

                  2. And what does taking warfarin internally do? Or digoxin? Or chemotherapy? Or aspirin? Or Motrin? Or acetaminophen? Or doxycycline? Or electrical shocks in excess of 300 joules? They are all very dangerous except when given on the correct doses. And even then have to be monitored closely.

                    1. They probably don’t know that warfarin (Cumidin) is rat poison…

                2. I was intrigued by your claim so I googled it. Many of the results point out that it can produce O2 bubbles in the blood, leading to brain embolism. An article from 2017 about using it as a treatment said “IV hydrogen peroxide has never been studied in a clinical trial, and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration hasn’t approved any IV drugs that contain hydrogen peroxide as an active ingredient.” So stop with the contortions trying to justify this as anything except Trump ignorantly shooting his mouth off when he should have let the experts do the talking.

              2. It is a stupid question. It’s fair to criticize him for that. It is fake news to say he was suggesting people ingest disinfectant.

          2. Chipper Morning Wood
            April.24.2020 at 3:24 pm
            “Hahaha, Trump supporters are actually gonna die on this hill….”

            Asshole TDS victims are going to repeat this lie, just like *THE RUSSKIS!!!!*.
            It’s not amusing, it’s stoopid, but there you are.

            1. You sit there and criticize someone for saying something that you think is stupid but your daddy says something that can only be perceived as incompetent blabbering and you ain’t having any of it! You’re pathetic!

              1. It can be, but others have pointed 9ut that there is some actual scientific and medical evidence that what he suggested could actually be used. And that some have been in the past.

              2. “You sit there and criticize someone for saying something that you think is stupid”
                Wrong. It *IS* stooopid, asshole TDS victim

                “..but your daddy…”
                Thank you for proving you’re an asshole TDS victim.
                Fuck off and die.

      3. Oh, good christ! Drinking bleach?!? Come on now! I sure as hell am not joining in!

        1. Since the only ones talking about drinking bleach are the left?

          1. soldiermedic76, you’re the one claiming hydrogen peroxide might be an effective treatment. Hydrogen peroxide is a bleach. Try to get your story straight!

            1. I’ll take the medic’s word over npc #4762

        2. You do – daily — if you have city water.

      4. You do know that you drink bleach on a daily basis, don’t you?
        Your municipal water system adds it to “chlorinate” the water and kill all the bad stuff in it.

    2. The sad thing, sarc, is that you gotta.

      He doesn’t mention bleach AT all. And yet that’s the headline– “It’s Not Fake News: Trump Did Actually Suggest That Injecting Bleach Could Be a Cure for COVID-19”

      And them, what does Sullum do? He goes ahead and shoots himself right in the dick–

      Here it is folks, Jacob Sullum proving to all that it’s not fake news, Trump actually suggested that people be injected with bleach as a COVID cure –and in Trump’s own words, too!

      I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous—whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light—and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting…

      And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds—it sounds interesting to me.

      And Trump never says bleach.

      Because it IS fake news. The same fucking fake news we get over and over and over again.

      Because it’s all about this– “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute.”

      Because he used the word ‘disinfectant’–which every ass brained media moron has decided to translate into ‘bleach’

      While ignoring this entirely–

      “And is there a way we can do something like that”

      “Like that”

      “Like’

      “LIKE”

      “LIKE”

      Are people REALLY this stupid?

      1. Yes. Stupid and dishonest.

        1. Sullum is stupid. Mainly because he thinks we will not notice his rank dishonesty.

          Disinfectant is a rather broad term, especially for a layman.

          Yet, in the case of Trump, it simply must mean bleach.

          But hey, if bleach baths and ‘rebalancing’ ones “energy” are the preferred treatment in the Cuomo household then maybe Trump really is on to something.

          https://thepuristonline.com/2020/04/the-cuomos-corona-protocol-week-3/

      2. Yes, changing it to “bleach” is dishonest and stupid. The statement he actually made was dumb enough. Why do these news people feel a need to embellish on it?

        1. Probably for the same reason you insist on pretending it was dumb.

        2. The dumb thing is you not being able to distinguish between a “statement” and a “question”.

          Now, I can say with modest confidence (Only modest!) that the answer is likely “no”, but that’s because I spent four years studying human biology at college. Trump didn’t. So why should I diss him for asking a question I can’t guarantee the answer to?

          Well, I can say he probably shouldn’t be asking such questions in front of a live mike, but, hey, the guy is stressed, cut him a break.

          1. Is Trump himself in the habit of “cutting people a break”?

            1. Cool Non-Sequitur Bro.

            2. Actually he is, or Comey would have been fired January 20th, 2017.

          2. Brett Bellmore: “….but, hey, the guy is stressed, cut him a break”

            That’s the second time you’ve used this “stressed” excuse to explain Trump’s latest imbecility. Here’s what I want to know, Brett: What evidence do you have that DJT is stressed? I see the same huckster buffoon since Day One of his presidency. Remember everyone saying Trump would become presidential and acquire gravitas in office? Instead he was telling grotesque lies and throwing childish snits within hours of taking the oath of office. How is he different now, deep into this pandemic calamity?

            We see the same clownish nonsense, the same pettiness, the same stubborn stupidity, the same blind narcissism. We see the same flailing contradictory positions depending on who he’s trying to con with any given tweet or press conference. We see the same total indifference to consequences or human suffering.

            Tell us how you see Trump as “stressed”. He was luxuriating in his own dumbass idiocy with this latest nonsense – before it turned around and bit him in the ass. Just watch the tape; he was having fun. Didn’t look very stressed to me……

            1. “Here’s what I want to know, Brett: What evidence do you have that DJT is stressed?”

              So, your argument here is that Trump could be inhumanely chill, utterly uneffected by the nation he’s President of being caught up in a deadly pandemic?

              1. The 100% perfectly normal and ordinary duties of a POTUS would probably stress anyone out. Look at how gray Obama is, compared to when he was sworn in.

                Now look at the difference in the mainstream media between how Obama was covered and Trump. Yes, Trump has Fox, but even they have hosts that are anti-Trump (Chris Wallace), or openly critical when called for (Tucker Carlson). Could Obama have survived a media environment where 90-95% of all coverage of him was negative?

                Could he have withstood the normal pressures of being POTUS while members of the opposite party were screaming “IMPEACH 45!!” before he was even sworn in? If he was under investigation for years by an FBI that was prepared to falsify evidence to spy on his campaign and administration? And then have to deal with a pandemic? AND the fact that China lied about the severity of the disease while quietly vacuuming up medical supplies from the globe’s warehouses, leading to critical shortages of what the rest of us would need to protect ourselves?

                The German finance minister killed himself when he realized the scope of economic damage that would result from his country’s pandemic response. Like, put a rope around his neck and kicked the chair away.

                But hey. Trump couldn’t possibly be stressed. And frankly, if he’s not stressed by ALL of this, if he can maintain his cool and get things done such that no one in the US who needed a ventilator didn’t get one, and more people per capita in the US have been tested than anywhere else? I’d say that’s the leader I want. Just saying.

                1. What inclines you to contend that the United States has conducted more test per capita than anywhere else? It appears Italy, for instance, beats the United States substantially in that regard.

                  Did you chug some bleach before asserting that?

                  Carry on, clinger. More swirl of the tongue on Trump’s sack, maybe.

              2. Yes, Brett, my argument is Trump does not feel the weight of his responsibilities – either from this pandemic or the presidency in general. Given the overwhelming abundance of evidence supporting that, I think the burden is on you to show otherwise.

                As I noted, within hours of becoming president Trump was telling grotesque & childish lies – lies even without any rational aim. Since then, he has continued to act-out as a dull-witted snotty toddler, “utterly unaffected” by the responsibilities of being President. If you or I found ourselves in the office, I bet anything we’d try our damnedest to live up to the job, whatever our shortcomings. Trump has treated the presidency like a joke; the country’s citizens as marks. What differences have you seen since the pandemic began? You say I must think Trump “inhuman” to suggest he’s not feeling the weight of this calamity.

                Sure; “inhuman” enough to brag about his TV ratings, carry on petty snits with governors facing catastrophe, treat his medical experts like a child does her dolls, tell a never-ending stream of pointless stupid lies, and dispense “medical advice” with casual indifference to facts or reason.

                My questions to you : If Trump isn’t “inhuman” wouldn’t he make the slightest effort not to do these things? Given the historical weight of this pandemic disaster, would he impose a little self-discipline? If he cared, that is. But Trump only cares about Trump.

                1. So your argument is that Trump doesn’t ‘care’.
                  He didn’t need to be president. I’ve watched almost every press conference, the ones on Saturdays and Sundays too, and I’ve come to a different conclusion.
                  And frankly, even if I hadn’t been watching, I would have concluded it based on the deranged hate, endless impeachment attempts and rhetorical questions “why do you deserve to be re-elected after 50k Americans died?” (from today’s press conference 27Apr2020).

                  What he lacks in ‘gravitas’ he makes up for in effort.
                  If he’s paranoid and endlessly touting his accomplishments it’s because they ARE out to get him.

        3. The statement he actually made was dumb enough.

          No. It is NOT dumb at all.

          It is a common way of speaking. It is something that everyone does.

          “We need something LIKE that”

          People say that type of thing ALL the time.

          The fuckers who started using the word ‘bleach’ actually DID it–

          “Well, he said ‘disinfectant’, we need something LIKE that, but more alarming”

          And he was right. We need something that works LIKE the disinfectant, that kills C19 quick that PEOPLE can use.

          And people wonder why the media gets so much crap. Dishonest, nasty fucks, the lot of them.

      3. I expected better from Sullum than that dishonest headline, if he actually wrote it. Having said that, Trump’s stream of consciousness riffing does not serve him well in the current environment. The word salad quoted above will not win him a single vote.

        1. To wordy. You’d never make it here as a columnist. Gotta punch that up, how about “Trump’s Words Threaten the Environment.”

          1. At least Sullum got a legion of npcs riled up, and gave the rest of us quite a bit to laugh at

        2. we need something LIKE that

          How is that too wordy? How is that word salad? People make the same type of statement every single day–often multiple times each day.

          “I want something LIKE that’
          ‘She said something LIKE that’
          ‘It was something LIKE that’

          Trump saw the disinfectant and said ‘We need something LIKE that’

          It’s crystal fucking clear.

          Or it would be if we didn’t have a leftist media complex trying to make everything the man says or does into an impeachable offense.

      1. It’s not a funny joke, especially since there are enough stupid and gullible people out there who would go for it in a minute.

        1. It’s not funny because people like you think the rest of us are to gullible not to know that you are both lying and think we are so stupid as to inject ourselves with bleach because the president asked a question.

        2. It wasn’t a joke.

          It’s his default last line of excuses. Like when he asked Russia to hack his political opponents on live TV, or when he frequently muses about getting rid of term limits or praises yet another dictator.

          The guy is a real comedian.

          1. You are stating this as fact. But do you have proof he wasn’t being sarcastic? No, you don’t. It really doesn’t matter one way or the other anyhow.

            1. So you are gonna buy the “I was just pretending to be retarded” excuse?

              I have to say I’m impressed by how fast and seamlessly you can switch gears after all that talk of hydrogen peroxide and other defenses of the president’s totally serious and not at all ridiculous statements.

              1. No I said it doesn’t matter. Which is what I’ve been consistently telling you. And you accuse me of putting words in people’s mouths?

                1. No, you’ve been very adamantly defending what Trump said as being a non-moronic utterance. Trump himself undermined you by falling back on using the excuse that he was joking.

              2. Why not? Democrats believe Governors when they say “hey, I did dress in blackface, but I didn’t mean it”. Or when they say “I did not have sex with that woman.” Or “What, like with a cloth?” Or “My lawyers reviewed the emails and determine that none of them were classified before they deleted them.”

          2. How did so many of you stooges miss these articles from the ebola outbreak?

            https://techcrunch.com/2014/10/03/little-moe-is-a-robot-that-hunts-and-kills-ebola/

            Uv light machines that killed a coronavirus were all the rage 6 years ago.

            And there’s already a company developing a stethoscope version of this that would use uv led lights to disinfect the esophagus and other cavities.

            1. To save anyone else from wasting time following the link, the article is about a robot that cleans hospital rooms. Nothing about internal use of UV light.

              1. Fizzle didn’t say anything about it being internal.

              2. Inactivating hepatitis C virus in donor lungs using light therapies during normothermic ex vivo lung perfusion

                Granted, this research is into UV inactivation of a different virus, and the lungs in question were isolated, not still in the patient. But I think it demonstrates that the proposal is not batshit crazy.

              3. Designate answered for me and Brett expanded on it.

                But my point was the uv technology is already in development and was used against Ebola.

                Too bad you’re too retarded to comprehend that

          3. If you watch the video, Trump clearly was being serious, not joking. Worse, he had a self-congratulatory “I’m so clever to think of this” look.

          4. Fuck off DOL, Trump didn’t say it was a joke, your fellow traveler Juice did.

            1. Actually, Trump did say he was joking.

              1. No, he said he made a sarcastic question.

                That you missed.

                The reference he was making was to ‘sunlight being the best disinfectant’.

                Which led him to that statement about how we needed something LIKE that disinfectant.

        3. I remember shopping with a friend who bought a curling iron. On it was a sticker that said, “for external use only.”

          Presumably, some kink enthusiasts thought it would be a good idea to insert it and turn it on. They may have regretted their decision.

          How far are we willing to go to protect retards from themselves?

          Additionally, Trump didn’t say the word “bleach” and there are any number of substances with disinfectant properties out there, including vodka. If someone injects or ingests bleach, perhaps it’s because they got the idea from the media sources who dishonestly put the word “bleach” in Trump’s mouth?

    3. Clearly taken out of context. Trump clearly stated that injecting bleach only works to cure democrats.

    4. The President ask a question. So what’s the big deal, the man ask a question. Why would any thinking person believe that half of the population is going to drink bleach because the man ask a question? This thing of the Fake News Media spinning his every comment into some out of this world command is getting quite ridiculous. They are the ones who look stupid.

      1. He asked a really stupid question. Seriously, is he not aware that UV light can cause cancer and the whole reason it works for sterilizing things is that it destroys organic molecules? And asking it while on camera so the whole world has proof of his ignorance? That is pretty much the definition of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

        1. Seriously, are you not aware that UV-C light, in the region of 205 nanometers wavelength, is safe for human exposure, because it can’t penetrate dead skin cells or even a film of water as thin as the tears on your eyes? Paradoxically, it’s so high of energy that it just doesn’t have penetrating power. (Even shorter wavelength UV is called “vacuum” UV because it’s even stopped by air.)

          While visible range light can be used, in combination with activating drugs, to destroy pathogens in the body, too?

          Half educated people hear about general rules, further educated people become aware of the exceptions.

          1. And researchers say “hmmmm….” and write a grant proposal…

        2. “UV light can cause cancer and the whole reason it works for sterilizing things is that it destroys organic molecules?”

          Radiation can cause cancer. Yet it’s used to treat cancer. Isn’t that interesting? Chemotherapy is basically a process by which you administer a poison that kills cancer cells faster than it kills healthy cells.

          And interferon, another cancer treatment, is a cytokine. Cytokines are implicated in the cytokine storm syndrome that kills people infected with COVID-19.

          Does anyone believe that people with cancer who can’t afford medical treatment are going to expose themselves to uranium to self treat? Or binge at the tanning salon? Or eat rat poison? Perhaps we should conceal this knowledge from the rubes so they don’t get ideas….

          1. Karen — I’ll bet they don’t know that granite is radioactive…

    5. God you people are scum.

      Everyone go to the White House Transcript linked and read along:

      Here’s the part The EnemyOfThePeopleHumanScum quoted:
      THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

      Here’s the *very next sentence* the EnemyOfThePeopleHumanScum amputated from the quote:
      So we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s — that’s pretty powerful.

      He’s talking about the light disinfecting in one minute, you Human Scum.

  2. It’s Not Fake News: Trump Did Actually Suggest That Injecting Bleach Could Be a Cure for COVID-19

    Yes it is, Karen, you fucking idiot.

    1. How much money from Red China are y’all taking?

    2. Please don’t use such language. Now I’m gonna tell my mom on you.

  3. “Did the president recommend that Americans inject themselves with bleach as a COVID-19 cure or prophylactic? Strictly speaking, no.”

    In other words, no.

    He had what are probably “scientifically naive” ideas as to the directions in which research should go.

    This is an illustration of how he does his brainstorming in public. And what they tell us about brainstorming sessions is that no idea is too stupid to be aired. It is after the brainstorming that they figure out which ideas are stupid.

    The lesson future Presidents will take from this (if the republic survives) is to do their brainstorming in private, among close advisors who will tell them when they’re being stupid.

    It won’t make future Presidents less stupid, just less transparent about their thought processes.

    1. It’s like an experiment in what happens if a politician has little or no filter, putting out ideas in public as soon as they occur to him rather than running it by the experts first (political and technical experts) to see if he should say it.

      1. We all want transparency, until we don’t.

        1. Actually the last person who should be brain farting in public is the Prez. Remember ‘red lines’?

          Best thing Coolidge contributed to the office of Prez – One of the first things a President has to learn is that every word he says weighs a ton

          1. So, lie, give non-answers, only give scripted talking points etc. Because your words weigh a ton. Great take away there.

            1. Because there’s nothing lying between that and stream of consciousness babble on live TV?

              1. Except it wasn’t even that.
                He didn’t advocate anything despite what Sullum and his JournoList pals are implying. Nor was he brainstorming in public as Eddy suggests.

                Everyone watching the video saw Trump was commenting on research somewhat sarcastically. Nobody honest or even stupid would take it any other way.
                Only a demagogue deliberately hunting for something to misconstrue would come up with the interpretation Sullum is forcing.

                1. Oh, wow. Are you making the argument that Trump was both brainstorming in seriousness and being sarcastic?

          2. JFree
            April.24.2020 at 3:25 pm
            “Actually the last person who should be brain farting in public is the Prez…”

            This from a cowardly piece of lefty shit who has spent the last month waving his PANIC!! flag, lying, all in the hopes he won’t catch cold.
            Stuff your PANIC!! flag up your ass, stick first, sit on it and spin.

      2. Yeah, it’s definitely very clear during a lot of this, that people will interpret infirmation however they wish.

        1. It’s confirmation bias all around for anti-Trumpers.

          I don’t necessarily like Trump. I don’t hate him either. I try and view him through the same lens I view all presidents.

          1) Words mean dick to all presidents. Every single one of them are prone to talking straight from their asses.

          2) Trump has done some very good things (tax cut, deregulation), and some that aren’t so good (tariffs).

          3) I did not vote for Trump. But I’m definitely leaning that way because he pisses off all the right people (read: the media), and allows them to expose their hypocrisy and idiocy for all to see. The fewer people that trust the media, the better off we all are.

          1. I’m in the same boat as you, but I also think this was a terrible flub on Trump’s part, and an example of how his propensity to bloviate can get him into trouble.

            I get why people don’t want to see Reason harping on this flub by Trump, and sympathize. But at the same time, Trump needs to reign things in just a touch and people defending this of all statements isn’t going to get him to do that. *shrug*

            1. I am not certain why people think Trump needs to rein it in when other presidents have said stuff just as cringe worthy (if not more). Now, I would be a for Trump reining it in but let’s make the standard the same for everyone.

            2. I don’t see it that way. It is very, very consistent with libertarianism to jump on stupid statements from a president (or other authorities). And I wonder why anyone hanging out at a libertarian website would be upset by it, or why sympathy would be necessary.

              1. I find your lack of self awareness hilarious, karen

          2. Muzzled Woodchipper : I did not vote for Trump. But I’m definitely leaning that way because he pisses off all the right people

            I try to avoid calling out people for untruth here, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere. Anybody who would vote for Donald John Trump because his man-baby huckster shtick “pisses off all the right people (read: the media)” already voted for Trump. End of story.

            Either you want a reality-TV pro-wrestling-style president or you don’t. I don’t see it as an acquired taste, all of Woodchiper’s protestations notwithstanding…..

      3. Not running it by his own brain before deciding he should say it. As an introvert, I find this a bit horrifying.

    2. By “scientifically naive,” do you mean completely retarded?

      1. Much like you then, considering your misunderstanding of basic science you have demonstrates today, multiple times.

        1. Such as?

          1. Your misunderstanding of how drug approval goes. Your misunderstanding that your body already uses hydrogen peroxide to fight pathogens. Your misunderstanding that even in therapeutic levels, many medications are potentially very harmful. I could go on, in fact I have pointed them out here and on hit and run this morning.

            1. Do you disagree that phase I is about establishing the safety of a drug? And I specifically said “therapeutic dose.” But is actually usually much lower than the therapeutic dose in phase I. And yes, drugs have side effects. There is a difference between a side effect of an approved drug and toxicity at a therapeutic dose. But I hope you know this.

              Your cells using hydrogen peroxide is entirely different from ingesting hydrogen peroxide. Your body produces histamine, but that does not mean you should ingest histamine! I mean, come on. Can’t you just admit Trump said something utterly stupid?

              1. Even in therapeutic doses gentamicin is toxic. Even in therapeutic doses acetaminophen is hepatatoxic. Even in therapeutic doses warfarin is dangerous. Your comment about phase 1 implies that there is not a possible therapeutic doses of hydrogen peroxide that can be administered without the risks outweighing the benefits.
                My remark about hydrogen peroxide is that we know the mechanism of action and that because such it is entirely possible that a therapeutic dose can be found. To say otherwise completely missed how toxic most drugs are.

              2. Come on… don’t you know the answer to this question? It’s “no.”

                1. Histamines and antihistamines are both used therapeutically. Hydrogen peroxide injected and given via nebulizer have also been used safely and effectively in the past. So what is your point?

                2. “Come on… don’t you know the answer to this question? It’s “no.””

                  Wrong.
                  The answer is “you’re a fucking lefty ignoramus”.

              3. He doesn’t need to admit it now. Trump has undermined soldiermedic by claiming he was just joking.

            2. “Drug approval” is actually a legal or administrative process, not science.

              1. True, but it is supposed to be based upon the scientific principles.

            3. Jesus. You made Chipper Morning Wood look like the retard.

    3. The President is supposed to present a strong public face, present true information, and give helpful information. What Trump does is the exact opposite.

      1. It doesn’t have to throughout the body. But eliminating it before it infects the whole body and or eliminating it from the lungs are both possibilities.

        1. Totally. For example, my dentist advised that I gargle with hydrogen peroxide, so I do. Not sure if it helps kill the coronavirus, but it’s cheap and doesn’t hurt.

          On the other hand, President Trump got up on TV and indicated that medical researchers thought his idea of injecting disinfectant had enough merit that they were going to go off and try it. There’s no getting around that he literally said that.

          1. No he never said they thought it had merit. He did mention that UV light had merit and was being tested, not because he recommended it but because it actually was. In fact he indicated that the medical scientist were the ones who told him not the other way around. Keep grasping.

            1. Is that why the medical scientists are stepping up and correcting the record, letting everyone know that it was their suggestion, not Trump’s?

              Oh, wait, that isn’t happening.

              1. Except it is actually being tested. And yes the scientific community did say that.

                1. Link please to where someone in the scientific community said they are experimenting with shining ultraviolet light inside people’s lungs or injecting disinfectant.

                  1. https://wbckfm.com/can-sunlight-or-uv-light-kill-the-covid-19-virus-it-appears-so/
                    Notice I didn’t say they were injecting it into their lungs or that they were testing disinfectant, only that they were testing UV light and that in the past hydrogen peroxide was used as a treatment.

                    1. So, not what Trump said. He was referring to using disinfectant and UV light as internal medicine.

          2. “There’s no getting around that he literally said that.”

            There’s no getting around that you posted a lie.

          3. My wife, a dental assistant, was laughing about this. ” Do they realize we use bleach in your mouth during a root canal? Like, literal Clorox?”

            1. And then do they tell the patients to swallow it or spit it out?

              1. Again, cool non-sequitur, bro. Here is to you, the corpse fucking a dead thread to get in your gotcha, that isn’t really a gotcha, because you refuse to learn even a basic understanding of: the English language, the way viruses spread, the way disinfectants work, and that disinfectants are widely used internally to treat a variety of illnesses. Thumbs Up Brother. You win???

                Except, as Sevo has so often eloquently said:

                Fuck you. Imprison yourself if you want to. Leave the rest of us the well enough alone.

      2. Bullshit. The President is just head of the executive branch. Unfortunately people like you want a king to lead you.

        1. There’s a huge gap between expecting the President to show competence and not ramble in press conferences and wanting the President to be a king.

          1. Actually a very small gap. Define competence. You will find wildly different opinions as to what competence is. If the president was the surgeon general maybe you would have a point. Considering some of the stupid remarks that Obama made about the economy, guns etc, I don’t think competence is a pre-qualifier. Or when President Clinton said he was cutting the number of MP in the military because “we don’t need soldiers whose job it is to write tickets” and one of the primary jobs of the President is Commander in Chief and this remark completely misrepresents what MPs actually do (hint we took a lot of casualties in Iraq because we lacked MPs to do convoy protection, combat traffic control etc, in fact Jessica Lynch likely would never have been captured and her squad wiped out if we had had enough combat traffic control) hardly shows competence.

            1. “You will find wildly different opinions as to what competence is.”

              Clearly.

              1. Define competence? How do you measure it? Who gets to judge it? Does competence require you to be competent in every aspect?

                1. You’re trying to have a conversation with someone that doesn’t think it’s dishonest to post a link to a liberal author’s article and say it’s conservative.

                2. Wow! That was evasive.

                  1. No it wasn’t unless you missed my point completely. Which it appears you did.

                    1. Geez, soldiermedic76 – come tomorrow or next week you’ll just be flailing around trying to defend the next imbecility from Trump. Is there at least a part of you angry that your Idol makes you weasel. so. damn. much.

          2. “There’s a huge gap between expecting the President to show competence and not ramble in press conferences and wanting the President to be a king.”

            Are those straws too fine for your tiny hands to grasp?

      3. MollyGodiva
        April.24.2020 at 2:39 pm
        “The President is supposed to present a strong public face, present true information, and give helpful information. What Trump does is the exact opposite.”

        Glad to hear what lefty fucking ignoramuses see as the duties of the POTUS.
        Fuck off and die.

        1. You are a vile, knuckle dragging piece of shit. And it is nice to know that right wing dumb asses think that basic competence is not needed to be the leader of the free world.

          1. Define basic competence. It is a meaningless word that changes depending on who and what you are discussing. It is as undefinable as the word sustainable. It is used by people to criticize others based upon their own biases.

            1. Jesus Christ, that is desperate. You’ve stubbornly tied yourself to a position so untenable that your only recourse is to claim that words don’t have meaning. Wow. It seems like this would be a good time to ask yourself certain questions.
              For example: Why is maintaining certain beliefs about Trump so important (to you) that you would rather publicly embarrass yourself spouting foolishness (like above) than modify your positions. Why is possibility that you’re wrong about Trump so threatening that you mentally shut down when faced with evidence suggesting that you are wrong?

              1. I haven’t tied myself into anything. How do you measure competence? What exactly does it mean? If I am competent pitcher does that make me a competent batter? It is specific to a certain task and how we measure it is based upon or own biases.

                1. This is what I’ve been telling you too, man. There is still hope for you. You can come back home.

                  1. If you want to be treated civilly stop with the backhanded compliments. I can almost guarantee my IQ is higher than yours. And I know everyone claims to be a genius on the internet, only I have it documented.

                    1. He’s plenty dumb besides being so dishonest. But his dishonesty is so pathological it’s hard to tell exactly how dumb he is.

                    2. You could call him a “blue falcon” but he doesn’t know what that means…

          2. I don’t know, Molly. Sevo and I have been going at it for 10 years. I kind of like him. I picture this old San Francisco crank screaming at his keyboard… don’t you find something redeeming about that?

            1. “…I picture this old San Francisco crank screaming at his keyboard… don’t you find something redeeming about that?”

              I picture this adolescent, pimply-faced lefty piece of shit, not outgrown the infantile self-interest.

            2. So… with the economy imploding, are you going to default on your mortgage again?

          3. “You are a vile, knuckle dragging piece of shit….”

            Aw, how nice, you fucking cowardly lefty ignoramus.

      4. No you retard the president is suppose to sign or veto bills, pardon people, appoint judges, and negotiate (not enact) treatises

      5. I can’t wait for steady and sharp mind of Joe Biden to guide us in these uncertain times.

        1. How is Joe Biden relevant to something Trump said about medical science in a press conference?

      6. How delightfully naïve. Politicians lying has been a given since…politicians. Acting like they are anything but self-serving is just foolishness.

        Trump is a typically bombastic, off the cuff, obnoxious, arrogant successful New Yorker. Nothing more. The fact that he challenges convention and brainstorms out loud is different than the scripted pols of the past, and uncomfortable for some, but not necessarily a bad thing.

        And all great scientific advancement begins with someone proposing something that others thought couldn’t work.

    4. But he just said he was being sarcastic, not brainstorming.

      Even if it was brainstorming, it was the stupidest brainstorming ever. You have to be a complete moron to think disinfectant could be used internally or that somehow UV light could be used to kill viruses throughout the entire body. It’s moronic.

      1. See above.

      2. GenoS, serious question. When did Trump say he was just kidding? It might be a new statement from Trump that I’ve missed.

        1. “When did Trump say he was just kidding?”

          Are you so stupid you have to ask?
          Well, shucks…

          1. Thank you. An actual response, as opposed to Sevo’s personal character attack in lieu of a response.

          2. That’s odd, because there are several comments here defending the President’s remarks as serious. And even comments suggesting that the medical team themselves suggested researching injection of disinfectants, yet Trump himself now says he was joking.

            If I were a Trump defender, I think I would wait a bit too see if he reverses himself before rushing to defend his statements.

            1. Don’t worry about Sevo, he’s probably the dumbest guy on here. Ignorance makes people scared and angry.

              You should have seen the cartwheels they did when Trump put out those LIBERATE tweets the same day his admin released covid guidance that included endorsing school shut downs.

              1. Still pushing that lie. He suggested schools remained shut as part of a 0athway to ending lockdowns. He never ordered them and left it up to each Governor to make their own decisions. Maybe you out not to purposely misstate what was said when calling others stupid. Or as you backhanded praise-insult above, you are usually better than this.

                1. Who said ordered, soldier? You are fighting a strawman. He endorsed school shut downs. Period. End of story.

                  1. You did the other day. We all saw it and ridiculed you for it at the time. You actually used the word ordered.

                    1. See, this is a perfect example. I did not say “order”. I never did. Here is the section, read it yourself: https://reason.com/2020/04/21/what-each-side-of-the-covid-19-debate-should-understand-about-the-other/#comment-8221111

                      You did the same pedantic get out of jail arument in that article. Here’s the thing, I never said ordered. I said Trump is pro lockdown as often as he is anti. Read it. Everyone read it. If you can find the word “order” under my name, I will venmo everyone $100.

                      Soldier, I expect an apology.

                    2. “Oh? “Schools must remain closed.” is not an endorsement of locking down schools? Tell me who that bullet point was aimed at, if not local lawmakers.”
                      Okay you didn’t say the exact words. This was a direct quote from you when we were discussing the difference between an order and a suggestion. In addition, it is you purposely misquoting him (the quote you supposedly quoted said should not must). So even though you didn’t state ordered it is obvious you implied it and then deliberately changed his words to support your supposition. So, no I am not apologizing because it is obvious to everyone who reads the thread what you were attempting to do and the fact that you deliberately misquoted him says all that needs to be said on the subject.

                    3. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for far too long. You fucked up. You put words in my mouth. You were wrong. A man would acknowledge that and apologize. A scumbag would attempt to minimize and deflect. Take a long look in the mirror.

                    4. No, I didn’t anyone who reads you purposely misquote knows exactly who is being disingenuous here. I admitted you didn’t use the word ordered but you did deliberately change the quote to imply it was an order. How is that different?

                    5. How do you deny you misquoted him and changed should to must? Come on continue to act as if this is not what happened.
                      “So even though you didn’t state ordered…” Notice I admit you didn’t use the word ordered only implied it? Again who is being a disingenuous scumbag here?

                    6. Espresso, in a thread the other day, quoted trump as saying “schools should remain closed”. When it was pointed out that such a statement wasn’t authoritarian enough for him, espresso, later in the same thread, stated that trump said “schools must remain closed”.
                      I think it was a round up earlier this week.
                      I asked espresso why he changed the wording of his quote, but did not see him answer

                    7. You guys are gonna call foul over should versus must? I never said Trump was ordering anything. I’m the one who was arguing that he doesn’t have the authority to do anything in an earlier thread. My point was that he supports lockdowns with one side of his face, and tweets LIBERATE with the other.

                      Forgive my fucking paraphrasing. Must vs should was not the point. Some trumpies, like soldier, tried to gin up a Johnny Cochran defense by saying that the Covid plan from the executive was just a list of suggestions for individuals. The “suggestion” for schools was clearly not aimed at individuals, but at state governments to close things.

                      I understand that you guys don’t have a leg to stand on and are grasping at straws, but holy fuck it makes you *look* dumb.

                    8. If you don’t understand the difference between should and must you don’t have a leg to stand on.

                    9. And it was a fucking list of suggestions. He has stayed from day one that he was leaving it to the governors.

                    10. Beyond the difference between “should” and “must”, it’s the fact that you felt compelled to change it that sticks out

                2. And he said he did not agree with Kemp’s decision to “re open” Georgia. So which Trump are you following? Back to work Trump or Keep it closed Trump?

                  1. Another lie from the lying piece of shit! You really can’t help yourself. A true sociopath.

                    1. He said he wasn’t happy not that he was going to stop him. Okay. So he doesn’t agree with him. You at least got that part right.

                    2. I don’t need to read about it, I was watching it live Lying Jeffy. He was talking about specific businesses that they were not recommending opening yet.

                      Have you ever considered therapy to deal with your obvious personality disorder?

                  2. He stated he supported Kemp’s right to do it but disagreed with his decision. This is a disagreement not proof of anything. He also has criticized the governors he mentioned in his liberate tweets for policies that had little to nothing to do with reasonable quarantine. The fact that you cannot seem to understand these nuanced is all that needs to be said.

                  3. I haven’t researched it in detail, but the dichotomy might be Twitter Trump vs. TV Trump.

                    1. It is, but watch these guys trying to square the circle is …it used to be entertaining. Now it’s genuinely concerning.

                    2. The sad thing DOL, is that you act superior to everyone but you have shown how disingenuous and intellectually dishonest you truly are. You then project these shortcomings on others. And you love to give backhanded compliments. If you were nearly as intelligent as you think you are you would realize how foolish you sound most of the time.

                    3. DOL, I’ve never found them entertaining. Wish I could. Wonder when sarcasmic’s popcorn ran out.

                    4. “I haven’t researched it in detail”

                      And exactly how are you going to “research it” Tommy the reTard?

            2. No people are pointing out how disingenuous the pants shitting is. No one said the President was or wasn’t serious, but they are pointing out people’s reactions are overblown and that if he were serious there is some scientific basis for what he stated. There is a huge difference.

              1. It isn’t “pants shitting”. It is clear, televised evidence President Trump is a moron.

                1. Lol
                  Self awareness is not a thing for Tommy boy it seems

                2. Despite all the counter evidence people have given you you continue on this path. And have you admitted you were wrong when you stated he literally used the word bleach?

                  1. Except I never said that.

                    1. Uh Oh…

                      “Tommy T
                      April.24.2020 at 3:09 pm
                      You know how defenders of this or that politician complain their quote was taken out of context. In this case, if you put the quote in context, “he was indeed talking about bleach.”

                      If you take the quote out of context, he was still literally talking about injecting disinfectant. That’s still really dumb.

                      Not sure why Sullum mentioned bleach in the post title at all. It just provided something for those who want to defend Trump to latch onto. Sullum is usually more on the ball than that.”

                      Folks, I think we have another DOL/Jeff/Make-Shit-Up-As-I-Go troll.

                      If your position is unassailable, why would you have to lie? If Donald Trump IS the WORST president in history, ever, why would you lie about what he says? Quote it. Word for word. All of it. In context. Let the worst president in history show us how he is the worst president in history with his own mouth.

                      (Sorry regulars, don’t know how to emphasize his blatant lying)

      3. Why is it stupid? UV blood irradiation is still being used, and hydrogen peroxide was used during the Spanish flu.

        How about you try to explain why these actually aren’t used much anymore.

        You already got it wrong once with your implication that the objective is to kill the virus throughout the body.

    5. It’s hard to interpret your comment as anything but a rush to defend Donald Trump. Why are libertarians rushing do defend dumb things Donald Trump says?

      1. Only for people with reduced reading comprehension. Pointing out what was actually stated and in context should be considered the default state not partisan rushing to defend anyone.

      2. “It’s hard to interpret your comment as anything but a rush to defend Donald Trump.”

        Try harder.

        I like being able to see the President’s mental processes, that doesn’t mean I like what I see.

        But neither do I think Trump is OMG THE WORSTEST PRESIDENT EVER. If that’s defending him, OK.

        1. I’ve certainly seen nothing to make him look worse than, or equivalent to, say, Biden.

        2. Agreed he is not the worst. He would have to beat Andrew Jackson and Woodrow Wilson.

          1. Many would also include FDR, Johnson (both of them) etc in that list.

            1. True. And don’t forget Nixon.

              1. And Obama
                And GWB
                And Clinton
                And Carter

                1. Can’t agree. I’d take any of that lot over Trump.

                  1. So you like actual authoritarians then. As long as they have well-creased pants.

                  2. Lol

                    Says a lot more about you than it does about Trump

    6. You know how defenders of this or that politician complain their quote was taken out of context. In this case, if you put the quote in context, he was indeed talking about bleach.

      If you take the quote out of context, he was still literally talking about injecting disinfectant. That’s still really dumb.

      Not sure why Sullum mentioned bleach in the post title at all. It just provided something for those who want to defend Trump to latch onto. Sullum is usually more on the ball than that.

      1. Except the word bleach wasn’t even in the quote. It wasn’t even mentioned. Who is being disingenuous? You do realize that they are several disinfectants that aren’t bleach? Right?

        1. Nothing you just wrote in any way responds to what I actually wrote.

          1. It does. Do you admit you wrongly claimed he mentioned bleach as you claim upthread? If you do then criticizing Sullum is a but hypocritical isn’t it?

            1. Except I never did say that. I said two things that could be misread as my claiming that:

              * I said that the headline of Sullum’s post said that. I also criticized Sullum for that.
              * I said that, in context, bleach was one of the particular disinfectants being talked about right before Trump made his comment. My point was that people usually complain about quotes being taken out of context, but in this case it is worse for Trump when the quote is taken in context.

              1. Okay I was wrong that said he literally just said bleach instead you commented he literally said disinfectant and then you stated bleach is a disinfectant. I am not sure how that makes the context worse. I do question why if he didn’t use the word bleach why you felt the need to point out bleach is a disinfectant. It seems as if you were trying to imply that is what he meant.

                  1. That’s literally what you say at the head of this thread:

                    You know how defenders of this or that politician complain their quote was taken out of context. In this case, if you put the quote in context, he was indeed talking about bleach.

                    But guess what? You (and Sullum) did leave out a HUGE chunk of context:

                    And is there a way we can do SOMETHING LIKE THAT (emphasis mine) that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that – you’re going to have to use medical doctors with – but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.

                    You left out that last sentence where he is clearly talking about UV light. Being the honest broker you are, why did you do that?

                    Oh, and for the record light-modulated medicine HAS been a research topic for years. And yes there has even been work on UV.

      2. “You know how defenders of this or that politician complain their quote was taken out of context. In this case, if you put the quote in context, he was indeed talking about bleach.”

        You know how lefty fucking ignoramuses post lies? In this case, one just did.

        1. Except I’m a libertarian, not a lefty.

          1. Right, that’s why you favored Obama. Which of his dictats do you think was the best?

    7. Do those damned academic East coast elitists want to put the President in some sort of cabinet?

    8. “…In other words, no…”

      This is analogous to Tony’s support of free speech:
      ‘I support free speech, but…’
      No, you don’t.

      1. Who’s comparable to Tony here?

        1. To pick one, turd’s close in his inability to post a single comment without at least one lie.

    9. “scientifically naive”

      hahaha. Why use many words when one will do: dumb.

      1. Most Americans are pretty scientifically naive, especially the ones who claim to understand science. I am a published animal scientist. I don’t know how many times I have seen so called scientific experts that can’t tell the difference between a Hereford or a Holstein try to correct me on aspects of ruminant nutrition, physiology, husbandry etc.

        1. Who needs animal husbandry when you can just get a Whopper at Burger King? Their Whopper trees are awesome.

          /sarc [sadly, this tag is probably necessary]

        2. “Most Americans are pretty scientifically naive, especially the ones who claim to understand science.”

          Like this:
          “People are really surprised I understand this stuff,” he said. “Every one of these doctors said: ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability.”
          ?

          1. Yes. Your point?

            1. Why ask a question to someone you know will probably lie in response?

              1. What a sad, hollow husk you’ve become.

                I broke R Mac and Jesse both.

                You guys had a chance to make big money and get me out of your lives for good, but you passed. Wonder why?

                1. It is amusing you think you’ve ever won a debate on here or that you broke anyone.

                  1. I feel bad for people he has to deal with IRL, since he’s a sociopath.

                  2. I gave them a chance to make money and prove me a liar. They both passed. If R Mac or Jesse had a shred of honor they would refrain from calling me a liar.

                    Much like Ukraine, one side is willing to go on the record here, and it is not the trumptarians.

                    1. Go on the record? What does that even mean?
                      Or are you saying people who don’t agree to an arbitrary set of guidelines you posit what you consider broken? And I am pretty sure a lot of Trump supporters have gone on record about the Ukraine deal. Much more than those who were pushing the story.

                    2. You mean in the same thread that you linked to an article from a liberal and said it was a conservative?

                      Who the fuck would make a bet with a sociopath?

                    3. I proposed that we nominate a neutral to make it fair. You guys both still passed.

                      Either you know you are liars, you are a coward, or you’re a troll.

                    4. When did I ever refuse?

                    5. You literally lied right in the thread you’re talking about, got caught, AGAIN, then said it wasn’t a lie.

                      Do you enjoy lying? Does it get you off or some sick thing? Or do you really not realize that posting things that aren’t true is lying?

            2. So is Trump an expert in all things he claims to be, or isn’t he? And if he isn’t, then why do you trust him to make good decisions when he is way over confident in his knowledge.

              1. Who said he was?

              2. Because he doesn’t have to be an expert in all fields. No one can be. What a stupid take.

                1. That second quote was from Trump, buddy. Do you need me to break this down barney style?

                  The man claims to be an expert at things he is not an expert in, then he makes decisions. So, is he overconfident, or is he actually an expert at everything?

                  It’s tough to even type all the things Trump claims to know more about than anyone.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GqJna9hpTE

                  1. And again I ask so what? I knew who the quote was from. It doesn’t change my question. So what? He is a braggart, so was Obama, and Bush and Clinton. Nothing new. So what?

                    1. So he doesn’t believe that he is an expert in all those things? How do you Trump fans determine what the man really means? I thought this guy was supposed to be a straight shooter.

                    2. Not a Trump fan and not sure what he believes. And I really don’t care if he does. Believing they are experts when they aren’t is a common human condition. So what?

          2. I haven’t seen much good science coming from the other side of the aisle either. I mean who remembers the statements by Al Gore about global warming and artic in 2000? Or Obama’s claims about the oceans stopping to rise? Or the claim that attending. Drive in church service is going to kill you?

            1. Relevance to this discussion?

        3. Most Americans aren’t the president of the country.

          1. So? The President is supposed to be equal to everyone. Not superior but equal. We are not supposed to have an elite class of politicians. They are supposed to be average citizens elected to represent us.

            1. That’s not what everyone being equal means at all. It’s supposed to be about equality before the law.

              When choosing a President, one would want someone of more than average competence, intelligence, integrity. Hell, one would want those qualities for the head of the local dog pound board.

              1. Why? For a libertarian you sure crave the philosopher king. I want a president who follows the constitution. You want Obama, who fails to satisfy your conditions as well.

      2. I am also a former medic and nurse and absolutely am astounded by people who claim to be scientifically literate who don’t understand basic medical science.

        1. Thank you for all your work helping people medically. Nursing is hard, hard work.

  4. >>Is that what they did?

    continued into present tense apparently …

  5. “It’s Not Fake News: Trump Did Actually Suggest That Injecting Bleach Could Be a Cure for COVID-19”

    “President Donald Trump had suggested injecting household disinfectants might prove to be an effective cure for COVID-19”

    “Did the president recommend that Americans inject themselves with bleach as a COVID-19 cure or prophylactic? Strictly speaking, no.”

    There is NO occurrence of the word bleach in the Trump quote.
    If you have to put words in his mouth, the minute reference would imply isopropyl alcohol, which Trump also did NOT mention.

  6. In all fairness to the President, if you inject bleach into yourself, you’re probably not going to die from COVID-19.

    Once again, Trump exposes the media’s deep bias.

  7. “Deborah, have you ever heard of that? The heat and the light…relative to this virus?” Her answer was firm but diplomatic:

    Only if it’s white light/white heat.

    1. Side effect, blindness.

      1. The only side effect is getting to hear the music of (still living) Lou Reed.

    2. “I am free of the infection. However, I am…quite blind.

  8. Trump Did Actually Suggest That Injecting Bleach Could Be a Cure for COVID-19

    Oh for fuck’s sake, Sullum. Look up the term “Strawman Argument” you fucking ass. Goddamn, I hate having to defend Cheato Mussolini, but this is fucking retarded.

    1. Your comment illustrates why Trump continues to do and say dumb shit: because
      he knows the Media, whose public approval ratings are even lower than Trump’s, will turn an insignificant comment or innocent slip-of-the-tongue into a 3-day-long orgy of faux outrage, combined with a large helping of smug condescension directed towards Trump voters.

      Even if he is wrong, which he often is, the Media’s pedantic overreaction exemplified by Sullum’s “ackshually” response here causes even Trump haters to roll their eyes and mutter to themselves “Oh ffs, LET IT GO!”

      Like Professor Harold Hill, Trump’s a huckster, a lifelong salesman whose livelihood has consisted of convincing people to buy his product even if they dont want or need it. The Media can’t help playing the part of Marian the Librarian, but without Shirley Jones’ talent and beauty.

      1. I campaigned against Trump, first in the primaries (supported Paul, then Rubio, then Cruz basically anyone besides Trump or Bush) and in the general (Johnson). I tried to convince my relatives not to vote for him. Ended a friendship because of our disagreement over Trump (his choice, not mine). Yet I find myself defending him now because of how bad the media and his haters are. If anything they are making it more, rather than less, likely I will vote for him in November. If their job is to get Trump less voters, they seem to be doing the opposite, anecdotally.

        1. “…Yet I find myself defending him now because of how bad the media and his haters are…”

          Yep, loose cannon, blowhard, decent actions only about half the time (which is far better than we’ve gotten in a long while), but the TDSVA tosses up such a pathetic and dishonest pile of lefty shit that he ends up the VICTIM, for pete’s sake.
          It takes some real delusion among them to make that work!

        2. Yes Soldier, I am in the same boat.

        3. Word.

  9. Was it not enough for ENB to have already “reported” on this retarded piece of “breaking news”?

    What’s the libertarian take here? There is literally no purpose to this article other than making up a rendition of what Trump actually said, and then slamming him as an irresponsible clown for something he didn’t actually say.

    What the fuck?

    1. Yep. “Reason” has become “USA Today.” And here we are, you and I, engaging with them and looking at their stupid web site.

      1. The only reason (drink!) he’s here is because other sites would give him the boot for being an irredeemable asshole.

        1. You do realize the same would apply to you, right?

          1. Unfortunately he’s been broken and doesn’t realize much at all except Orange Man Bad!

          2. Sarcasmic is rarely an asshole. I don’t recall him ever being unnecessarily rude or engaging in unprovoked personal attacks.

            1. He is almost always an asshat. His whole stick is being an asshat. What fucking world do you live in?

            2. As for personal insults, you are definitely not the one to be criticizing others for doing that? And yes he has gotten bad with personal insults. Not your level yet, but…

              1. I only insult people that insult me. Have I ever insulted you?

                1. You almost always open with an insult.

                2. Calling anytime who even remotely supports something the President does a Trump dicksucker is only insulting people who insult you first?

                  1. I’m loving all the new righteous indignation from people constantly saying people suck Trump’s cock. It’s very enlightening of their total lack of self reflection.

            3. Chipper Morning Wood
              April.24.2020 at 3:15 pm
              “Sarcasmic is rarely an asshole…”

              The opinion of one lefty asshole is not really valid in judging the other lefty asshole, asshole.

        2. “What’s the libertarian take here?”

          See the asshole sarcasmic; TDS.

      2. And what really galls me is that Jacob has become a hack. Years ago I used to appreciate his writing and reportage so much, and now it’s…feh. A waste of a good mind.

    2. The libertarian take here is that the most powerful man in the world is a complete idiot and some self-declared libertarians are still defending him.

      1. Considering how over the past weeks you have supported the statist positions, I am thinking you shouldn’t lecture anyone about being a libertarian.

        1. Such as?

          1. Your support of the lockdown or any suggestion by Trump that the lockdown should be ended would be a good first start. Or are you trying to memory hole your past posts? If Trump suggested it, you automatically opposed it. And I know you will deny it even though you know it is the truth.

            1. If you wanna have an actual debate, we can have it. First, this is an unprecedented situation and there is no established libertarian position on this. For example, here is Mr. Libertarian, Walter Block, saying he supports forced quarantines for coronavirus. The positions are all over the place. Jeffrey Tucker is completely opposed to the lockdown. I have more links, but comments with multiple links get flagged.

              Second, this is not so much about principle, but about how deadly this disease is perceived to be. If the death rate was obviously high, say 10%, very few would object to the lockdown. So a lot of this is arguing about facts that no one yet has. But it is prudent to be cautious. Did you watch the Soho debate? You really should. It is very good.

              Third, I want this to be over as soon as possible and I much prefer relying on voluntary following of the guidelines. My opinion on the lockdown is not set, though I am leaning towards keeping it in place for a few more weeks.

              My position from the start was against these lockdowns. However, as more people started getting infected and dying, I changed my mind. I also changed my mind after observing how people are behaving in the field. About 25% of the population (from my personal experience) seems to be ignoring the guidelines. The numbers have gone down recently, but it is still significant. There will always be a certain non-negligible portion of the population that will either not care, be too dumb or lack the self-control to follow guidelines, or will actively ignore them out of spite. And these people are the reason why voluntary following the guidelines is not enough right now. If everyone followed the guidelines, and if the government hadn’t fucked up with the mask recommendations, this would have been over already. I hope the lockdown can end soon. But you cannot plainly state supporting the lockdown is a violation of libertarian principles. Rather, it is a different interpretation of initiation of aggression Infecting someone with a potentially deadly disease is a clear act of aggression. It doesn’t have to be intentional. I have more to say, but this comment is already way too long.

              1. “First, this is an unprecedented situation”

                That’s what they always say

                1. Dont know a single authoritarian rise to power that didnt make that claim.

                  And just a few days ago Chipper claimed government wasnt forcing anyone to do anything, just strongly suggesting. He is a happy useful idiot.

              2. So locking people up for their own good is now libertarian? Please. Keep digging.

              3. “First, this is an unprecedented situation and there is no established libertarian position on this.”

                First, it is NOT unprecidented; to date, we’re far off the *average* of the seasonal flu death toll.
                Yes, there is a libertarian position, you pathetic piece of lefty shit:
                ‘Keep the government out of it as much as possible.’
                The libertarian position is NOT:
                ‘Please have the government take over my life for me.’

                To pick an historical quote, Patrick Henry did NOT say:
                GIVE ME LIBERTY…
                unless I might catch a cold, like you, Hihn, JFree and others have been whining over the last several weeks.
                Grow up!

      2. No, the libertarian take here should be that Trump is no dumber or more misinformed than any other politician (Droolin’ Joe Biden instantly comes to mind) and the only reason we know about Trump is due to the Media’s Captain Ahab-like obsession with exposing his faults, and perhaps we shouldn’t give such people so much power in the first place.

        Trump is president largely because the American Media are mostly jackasses. If they would start actually practicing journalism then they might finally get rid of him.

        1. Trump’s twits are no more ignorant than the average person’s about science matters like medicine. The only difference is that people hang on every word of every twit he sends, every ramble he rambles, and Trump doesn’t give a single fuck.

          Know what Trump’s advice to us would be? He’d say it’s nice that we’re concerned, shows we’re basically decent people, and that it’s a good thing there are experts who study the subjects he rambles on about. He’d tell us not to worry, that his decisions are taken carefully as business matters, and that his twits and speeches are basically to remind us that he too is a basically decent person who likes to think open-endedly about the affairs of the day, presidential or otherwise, and that we’d do well to be as relaxed as he is about things.

          Nothing that Trump says is going to result in people swallowing rubbing alcohol or light bulbs. The people who make drugs are experts at making drugs, not to worry. They’re not going to put bleach in there.

          1. Depends. If bleach in small doses is proven effective they will. In fact a good majority of drugs are just as deadly if not more than bleach. Bleach in low doses is not lethal. It is the dose that kills. The LD 50 of bleach is actually higher than of caffeine. The higher the LD 50 the less toxic it is.

            1. Nothing wrong with using bleach.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQwgjBv3N8k

    3. Isn’t there a long tradition of libertarians criticizing presidents? That seems like the libertarian purpose.

      1. No the libertarian purpose is to increase individual liberty. If you think it is about criticizing presidents then you poorly understand libertarianism.

        1. The burden of proof is on YOU, to show that a President’s actions have increased individual liberty. This is a very high bar to clear, since the President’s actions are mostly about applying the force of government.

          1. Did I say he did or didn’t? No I said criticizing the president in and of itself is not a libertarian principle.

            1. Yes it is. It absolutely is. If you disagree that the libertarian position is to criticize the government, I am sorry, you are dead wrong.

              1. No, it is to push liberty. You just think it is all about criticizing the government. If your definition of libertarianism is true, criticizing a government that promoted individual liberty would be libertarian.

          2. “…since the President’s actions are mostly about applying the force of government.”

            The burden is on you to support that claim, asshole.

          3. Reducing regulations is using force?

      2. Yes, that is the point! The default libertarian position is always to criticize the President!

        1. He’s a big poopy head! Yay, now I’m a libertarian!

        2. Apparently not. Sigh.

          1. Because it has nothing to do with libertarianism. Criticizing the President does nothing to advance individual liberty, no matter who is President. Criticizing anti-liberty policies on the other hand and working to get them overturned does.

          2. “Apparently not. Sigh.”

            Of course it is.
            When you have nothing other than ‘orange man bad’ to say…

        3. So the default libertarian position if President John Galt slashes the federal budget by 30% is to criticize him?

          What an incredibly dumb thing to say.

          1. Criticize him for not cutting it 100%. Duh. /sarc

      3. “Isn’t there a long tradition of libertarians criticizing presidents? That seems like the libertarian purpose.”

        Grasp them straws with those tiny hands!

    4. Yep, it’s a totally logical story for a publication to run that is focused on promoting libertarianism. Keeping with the ‘orange man bad’ editorial policy.

      1. This was actually “orange man stupid”. And, sorry, but he is.

        Even the fact that he is, indeed, orange is another bit of evidence that he is stupid.

  10. “On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” ~ H.L. Mencken

    Mencken’s is till the pithiest assessment of American populism, also known in its craziest and most moronic form as Trumpism.

    Trump’s brain is a noisy pachinko machine with shiny little balls of crazy bouncing wildly off of shiny little pins of ignorance.

    1. I think you need a new metaphor. Nobody knows what the fuck a pachinko machine is.

      1. I do.
        And I also know what a moron is, and hihn is never really justified in applying that label to anyone but himself

      2. I do, and it’s an apt metaphor.

    2. You are trying to hard to sound intelligent while you are regurgitating nonsense about Trump that everyone is aware already is fake news.

      1. A trumpette in the wild…always rushing to defend his dear leader.

        1. A TDS sufferer in the wild always rushing to mischaracterize what Trump said and to use sophomoric insults.

        2. In your hard wired progtarded mind, any objective observation or analysis of Trump’s statements or actions is ‘a trumpette rushing to defend dear leader’. Yet you spent eight years actually doing that for Obama.

          You beclown yourself, and you have no credibility.

      2. It is fake news if someone claims that Trump literally advised injecting bleach.

        It is not fake news if someone claims that Trump literally speculated about injecting disinfectant. In a press conference. He really did do that.

        1. And there are a number of disinfectants, some of which can be given in small doses with little to no adverse effects. There are also a number your body already produces, such as hydrogen peroxide, which can be deadly but can also be beneficial.

          1. What’s hilarious is that Cuomos wife literally advocates for bleach baths on her blog to kill covid.

            1. A governor’s wife’s blog is totally equivalent of the President of the United States saying something directly during a live broadcast.

              1. Why is it different? If you think we should take medical advice from either you have problems.

              2. If either were medical doctors or epidemiologist, it may be worth listening to either.

              3. Well, here’s one difference between a governor’s wife’s blog and the President of the United States briefing the country on a national emergency :

                The wife’s blog didn’t prompt mobs of booklicking toadies to frantically defend her dumbass remarks. Trump did.

                Don’t Trump supporters ever tire of the weaseling that support requires?

        2. Normal saline can be used to disinfect surfaces, and we routinely inject that into the humane body.

          1. Of course I am just pointing out that the word disinfectant can cover any substance used to clean a surface. I am not stating 0.9 sodium chloride is a treatment for anything other than dehydration, shock, or hypotension.

    3. BigGiveNotBigGov
      April.24.2020 at 2:04 pm
      “On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” ~ H.L. Mencken”

      Advanced victims of TDS are known for selecting random quotes in the hopes others share their fanatasies.
      But then they should also be chastised for their fucking idiocy.

  11. I’m not claiming this Trump fella is the brightest ultraviolet bulb in the box, but to claim he suggested injecting actual household disinfectant is a completely uncharitable reading of the question, “is there a way we can do something like that”. Something like that is not “exactly that.” It could mean anti-viral medications that inhibit replication. Maybe he’s imagining some medicine that attacks the pathogen directly.

    Ask a cancer patient who has received chemotherapy or radiotherapy if they think destroying disease using electromagnetic radiation and poison injections is such a wacky idea.

    As an earlier commenter suggested, this is how brainstorming works. This is how some people learn about a topic. Don’t be afraid to ask crazy questions.

    1. Do Presidents usually get up in a press conference and brainstorm ideas on live TV? Is that a smart thing for a President to do?

      1. Why or why not? No usually President’s only give scripted non-answers that are poll tested.

        1. So, that’s one extreme. What Trump did is another extreme.

          Are you saying that all we can aspire to is one extreme or another. If so, you are making an argument we should settle for low standards.

          1. No, I am not claiming either extreme. I am pointing out one is not worse than the other. Actually, overall I would say lying is probably worse but both are bad.

      2. They don’t usually. Trump’s teaching us how to do it. Didn’t he write books from which we were supposed to learn how to do business?

        Trump’s reasoning is that he was a success in real estate development, so he must’ve done something right, why not tell others how to do what he did? He got elected president on his first serious try, so he must’ve done something right, so now he’s telling people what’s on his mind all the time, so maybe we can learn how to be president some day too.

        These things seem to be non-random processes with non-random results. Therefore there’s probably some thinking behind his speeches and twits, at least encoded in a way that makes sense to him. I think I can decode this one pretty well:

        “People are very concerned about this illness. They should know that we have Important People working on this problem. I’m the Most Important Person of all, they should know what’s going thru my mind about this as I try to learn about it too, and derive some encouragement from it. I see there are ways of attacking this virus, so the situation isn’t hopeless. Hey, you scientists out there, I know some of you are working on ideas along these lines; what can you say about findings that can be applied to this problem? See, people, there are approaches to these things, they’re not pure chance. Maybe some of you can work on it too. How could it hurt?” That’s all he’s saying. And none of that is bad.

        1. “Didn’t he write books from which we were supposed to learn how to do business?”

          No, those were ghost written. And his claims of business success are highly controversial. He inherited over $400 million from his father, and even by his own greatly inflated account of wealth, would have done better by investing in index funds.

          He’s good at being born rich. He’s pretty shit at business.

          >“People are very concerned about this illness. They should know that we have Important People working on this problem. I’m the Most Important Person of all, they should know what’s going thru my mind about this as I try to learn about it too, and derive some encouragement from it. I see there are ways of attacking this virus, so the situation isn’t hopeless. Hey, you scientists out there, I know some of you are working on ideas along these lines; what can you say about findings that can be applied to this problem? See, people, there are approaches to these things, they’re not pure chance. Maybe some of you can work on it too. How could it hurt?” That’s all he’s saying. And none of that is bad.<

          Do you have any more of those Trump decoder rings you seem to be using? They really change his words. Almost completely, in fact. I would be interested in one, since it must be comforting to know that the president has a master plan, and is not just a spoiled, rich moron free associating his way through a crisis he has no idea how to handle.

          1. They came pretty close to almost changing his words here and in several other cases. Who remembers the concerted mischaracterization of his both sides comment?

            1. DOL will probably tell you that he said Nazi’s are good people. Because he’s a dishonest piece of shit.

              1. Except DOL hasn’t said a word about Nazis.

                1. Just like Trump hasn’t said a word about bleach.

                  1. Will the circular arguing be unbroken
                    By and by, Lord, by and by

                    By all means, let’s just keep these comment threads going in endless circles.

                2. Tommy the reTard doesn’t know what “will probably” translates to from English to retard.

                  He also doesn’t know what jokes are. He’s also Morty.

          2. The books were ghost written, but he allowed his name to be used on them. He could’ve rejected them — maybe there were some he did reject — and have others written instead. So it was his decision.

            But say you’re the president and you like Trump’s style of commenting on anything and everything. You have only the average person’s knowledge of biology. Then what do you say or write about this? The things I hear Trump say are about the same run of things I hear all sorts of non-experts chat about to fill the time. My housemate — who’s a brilliant guy, just not a scientist like me — asks me the same sorts of questions all the time, and I answer him. Trump probably expects the same from the people who pay attention to him, especially since they’re actually paid to pay attention to him and he’s paid to be their boss. Meanwhile I find it refreshing to hear a POTUS sound like the rest of us.

          3. “No, those were ghost written. ”

            Do you understand what ‘ghost written’ means?

            Someone who can’t write, but has a great story to tell/ideas to disseminate/ instructions for something finds someone who CAN write to help them write.

            It’s no different than hiring a carpenter to build something you really need by can’t make yourself.

      3. “Do Presidents usually get up in a press conference and brainstorm ideas on live TV? Is that a smart thing for a President to do?”

        Do TDS victims usually post bullshit like this on the web?

      4. This is why people like Trump he like many of us and even commenters here are brain storming ideas. Trump brainstorming makes him one if us and not the usual elitist politicians that tell us to shut up and do as we say

      5. No, presidents don’t usually do that. Usually they serve up some precooked bs

        Is it a smart thing to do? We’ll see in November. So far, his critics come across as a bunch of ignorant pricks. And he’s in the news a lot more than Biden.

  12. Who is currently smarter Trump or Biden?

    1. Well Biden knows the difference between origin and orange.

      1. I doubt Biden knows the difference between his pecker and a glass beaker at this point. He’s fucking lost whatever marbles he had and just looks sad and pathetic every time they trundle him out in public. Trump is an asshole, was always an asshole and will always be an asshole.

        1. Just BDS.

          1. And out comes that fundamental progressive antisemitism!

          2. Hahahaha. Nice comeback. Did the rest of the 7th graders think it was funny?

            1. SM76 I might as well come back like the Trumpsters. Biden and Trump are both too old to be President but that will likely be our only choice. Biden makes gaffs but so does Trump. Biden know the topic he typically is not smooth in his delivery. Trump is lazy and just wings it. If TDS is an acceptable response then so is BDS, or for that matter BDS (Bush), ODS, or CDS (Bill or Hillary).

              1. Bullshit Biden knows the topics he is weak on. His history shows him commenting on numerous subjects that it is apparent he has no fucking clue on. His being not smooth has never stopped him from commenting on a subject. Ever.

              2. Biden doesn’t even know where he is. The man is clearly demented and is struggling to even read from a teleprompter.

        2. Biden is just a placeholder for whoever the Democratic establishment wants to put in there.

      2. Really? You are defending lying, dog faces soldier, just shoot your shotgun in the air, etc Biden? The man who is infamous for making incorrect statements and gaffes?

        1. Remember the good old days when it was ok to point out that everyone working at the 7-11 is Indian? Now we can’t even have Apu.

    2. What a depressing question.

      1. Especially considering how many gaffes and misstatements that Biden is famous for, right?

        1. Yes, of course.

          Biden is known for gaffes, misstatements, touching women a lot, a deadbeat son.

          Trump covers a lot of the same territory.

          That’s why it’s depressing.

          1. First good take you’ve had.

      2. “What a depressing question.”

        What a stooopid comment.

  13. Well Dear Dr Donald still has another chance to practice medicine on the world stage. Yes the Deep State has sabotaged the innovations of drinking fish tank cleaner and injecting bleach. But the really brilliant idea is still out there and just needs the imprimatur of the Donald.

    Drink dandruff shampoo. Or even better snort it to get it into the respiratory system. It has zinc pyrithione. Which is clearly the ideal way to get both the zinc and the zinc ionophore (pyrithione) in one’s system at the same time. Snorting pennies in combination with tonic water shots just involves way too measurement

    1. Congrats kid. You believed fake news. Even this article admits Trump never said anything about Bleach or anything similiar to bleach. You mock Trump but are here repeating lies and looking stupid

      1. Actually, he did. He literally speculated in a press conference about the merits of injecting disinfectant. Disinfectant is similar to bleach; bleach is a kind of disinfectant.

        Furthermore, if you take Trump’s remarks in the context of what was being discussed right before he made his remarks, bleach was part of the discussion.

        1. Bleach is not the only disinfectant and not all, or even most are similar to bleach, in fact there are two types of disinfectants. Mechanical and chemical. Saline and water are both mechanical. Hydrogen peroxide is chemical, but has some mechanical properties.

        2. “Disinfectant is similar to bleach; bleach is a kind of disinfectant.”

          Ok but you said he said “bleach”

          “Actually, he did.”

          So, if you’re willing to lie (a lot) why should anyone care what you think?

          It doesn’t matter what is like what. He didn’t say bleach and you said he did. Repeatedly.

          1. You just strung together two different things I said.

            1. Explain how that is different that what you just did. You literally took him out of context and claimed that he advocated for injecting either bleach or a generic disinfectant as in some other chemical. The actual quote:

              Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

              So we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s — that’s pretty powerful.

              Do you see the focus on “one minute?” It’s two words and one of them is multi-syllabic, so we’ll wait.

              1. Always always always go to the full original transcript if you want to know how exactly the EnemyOfThePeopleHumanScum are lying. Smart money is always that they’re lying. If you want to know *how*, you have to look it up.

                It’s the same trick all the time:
                1) Tell a fable that Trump said X was Z.
                2) Take Trump’s original words, which say Y was Z, and cut out those which make the reference of Y clear. Now, literally, the quote says “something was Z”, but it’s not clear just what.
                3) When person who foolishly trusts the EnemyOfThePeopleHumanScum reads the Trump quote made ambiguous by removing context, *he automatically inserts* X for the obscured reference to Y, interpreting Trump’s transcript as the Human Scum desired.

                In this case, what was removed was the *very fucking next sentence*. This is not a *mistake*. This is Human Scum playing for fools those who haven’t caught on to the con yet.

                It’s unclear how many simply feign belief in The Narrative knowing it false, how many take the postmodernist tack, and simply don’t care in the least whether or not The Narrative corresponds to reality, and how many are simply dupes.

                Sullum obviously knows, because he had to edit out reality precisely to achieve the precise effect. He is Human Scum.

    2. I’d wager that snorting pennies has been on your resume for quite some time. And, taking it in the ass.

    3. Course there is still some medical potential out there to recommend snorting a combo of brass plumbing fixtures (get the zinc AND the copper) and asparagus. But walking around with asparagus hanging outside your nose – well that might make MAGA supporters vulnerable to being recognized by antifa.

      1. Why asparagus?

        1. Quercetin is a zinc ionophore and asparagus is a great source of that. Course capers and cilantro are better – but who wants to snort a bunch of cilantro or stick capers in their nose.

          1. You ridicule science you don’t understand yet lecture others about being unscientific. Is the irony lost on you?

            1. Didn’t you get the memo? Trump was only joking, as JFree is clearly doing here.

              1. We are discussing zinc as a treatment here, not Trump’s remarks. That is what JFree is referencing. It is a lame joke he’s been pushing for a couple of days now. It comes from a Bailey article on how HCQ didn’t prove effective in a VA study. A number of posters pointed out that in previous studies that HCQ and azithromycin were used in combination with zinc. The posters also pointed out the mechanism of action as to how HCQ enables better uptake of zinc, a known antiviral, into infected cells. JFree thought it was cute to make a joke about how asparagus is high in zinc to ridicule the use of zinc. So, keep commenting on something you obviously don’t understand.

                1. So JFree was serious when he suggested sticking asparagus up your nose, but Trump was joking when he went on for a while about putting disinfectants or UV light inside the body. Ok, buddy.

                  1. The only one making that point is you. JFree was ridiculing a proven scientific concept. I don’t care rather or not Trump was joking. Even if he were serious there is scientific evidence to support some of what he stated. And we are testing UV as a treatment for COVID-19, actually several countries are. And UV irradiation of the blood is already a known treatment of certain internal conditions. So keep showing your lack of knowledge. I am not defending Trump so much as pointing out that the pants shitting over his statements are completely off based. And in this exact thread I am not even fucking doing that. I am ridiculing JFree’s stupidity in regards to his understanding of zinc as a treatment modality for viruses and cancers.

                    1. Credit for UV irradiation of the blood goes to the Aztecs, who warded off the end of the world by opening up their captives hearts to let the sun shine in

                  2. De Oppresso Liber
                    April.24.2020 at 6:01 pm
                    “So JFree was serious when he suggested sticking asparagus up your nose, but Trump was joking when he went on for a while about putting disinfectants or UV light inside the body…”

                    Willfully ‘misunderstanding’ works really well with, oh, 15 year olds, and I assume you are at somewhere near that level.
                    To adults, is simply broadcasts that you are either stoopid or hope your audience is.
                    Tell us again how you timed the market and made out! Liar.

        2. I cuss, you cuss, we all cuss for asparagus!

      2. I take it that your nose is not the orifice of choice when you walk around with asparagus hanging out. Not that there is anything wrong with that. At least it doesn’t make your pee smell funny.

    4. “Dear Dr Donald”

      Why do lefty fucking ignoramuses spend half their lives coming up with nicknames which would embarrass 1st-graders?

      1. Good question. Ask you cult-daddy.

        1. Really? Is that the best you got? Calling Trump his daddy? Please.

          1. You don’t see the unintentional irony in Sevo’s comment? Who is best known for coming up with childish nicknames for people currently?

            Soldier, I’m speaking genuinely here because you are a vet and you seem earnest: you have lost all semblance of impartiality. Maybe you didn’t vote for Trump, but in some ways you are demonstrating much worse delusions than the most ardent Trump supporters. Maybe when you feel yourself coming up with another Johnnie Cochran get out of jail free argument for Trump, stop yourself and pretend Obama did it before answering.

            1. Why because I am not toeing your line? And my being a vet means nothing. I am pointing out basic scientific facts (like you claim) in a subject I have some knowledge in. However, here I am ridiculing your sophomoric name calling. It isn’t even original since at least two other users have used the same insult.
              If Obama had done it I would point out that it isn’t so far off base as everyone states. In fact I did on a number of things. I disliked Obama immensely, but I did give him credit when others criticized him when what he stated or did was being misrepresented.

            2. “Soldier, I’m speaking genuinely here”

              Asshole, I’m speaking genuinely here: You’re a fucking lefty ignoramus with an advanced case of TDS.
              Kindly fuck off and die; the world will thank your survivors.

        2. “…Ask you cult-daddy.”
          Why do lefty fucking ignoramuses spend half their lives coming up with nicknames which would embarrass 1st-graders?

  14. “is there a way we can do something like that”

    Actually, yes there is. Inhaled nitric oxide is being tested for killing microbes in the lungs, including viruses. Previous work has been done on biofilms. Current work on COVID-19.

    “INOpulse technology utilizes targeted pulsatile delivery of inhaled nitric oxide, providing important antiviral potential, as well as improved arterial oxygenation.”
    https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/fda-expands-access-to-bellerophon-s-nitric-oxide-gas-for-covid-19-lung-symptoms

    1. Nitric Oxide?? Isn’t that the stuff that makes cars go real fast??!!

      ::runs to local body shop::

      Shop was closed.

    2. whip-its for the win!

  15. Take two minutes and actually look into this and you will see Trump has never said anything even remotely similiar to what is claimed here.

    Wait til people find out how Chemo and other medicines work.

    1. I mean warfarin is literally rat poison. Digoxin is an alkaloid that is fairly deadly even in small doses. Opioids are also plant toxins that carry high risk of respiratory failure.

      1. Botox is one of the most deadly toxins known to man and we inject it for fun.

      2. “I mean warfarin is literally rat poison”

        Dear ol Mom would’a been gone a lot sooner if it weren’t for rat poison.

        1. I can’t get going in the morning without a large dose of plant toxins… Caffeine.

          1. LD 50 150-200 mg/kg. Bleach, around 4090 mg/kg to 6600 mg/kg in rodent studies orally, dermally 20000 mg/kg.

    2. Actually, he did. He literally talked about injecting disinfectant.

      1. Do you know normal saline is considered a mechanical disinfectant? What do you think is the base fluid of almost all IV fluids, injectable medications etc is?
        Formydehyde is a disinfectant and is used to preserve a number of vaccines.

      2. “Actually, he did. He literally talked about injecting disinfectant.”

        Keep going. I’m not about to take the shovel from someone bound and determined to keep digging a hole he’s gonna have to crawl out of.
        Hey, sarcasmic! We’ll need that popcorn to watch Tommy here try to get out! While we kick the dirt in on top.

      3. Trump is asking a reasonable question. People like you claim the mantle of science, but you couldn’t give a scientific answer of your life depended on it.

  16. If Trump is so evil why do places like this have to keep making up stories about him to try and make him look bad

    1. Because they have quotas for how much shit they need to write each day, and this is low hanging fruit because it doesn’t require any actual writing, or thinking.

    2. Because they have quotes from Trump where he literally said something similar to what was claimed.

      1. Actually it isn’t as close as you or the author claims.

  17. Article headline, big and bold:
    It’s Not Fake News: Trump Did Actually Suggest That Injecting Bleach Could Be a Cure for COVID-19

    What was written in the article itself:
    Did the president recommend that Americans inject themselves with bleach as a COVID-19 cure or prophylactic? Strictly speaking, no.

    Next.

    1. Suggesting that X could be a cure and recommending that people adopt the suggested cure on a DIY basis are not the same thing.

      1. That is true. That is the anti-Trump press rushing to add that angle to the story.

        Doesn’t change what Trump said in the press conference. It was truly dumb.

        1. “That is the anti-Trump press rushing to add that angle to the story.”

          You misspelled “lie about” that angle.

    2. It was a dumb move for Sullum to use bleach in the title.

      I do wonder sometimes if someone else writes the post titles, because the actual text of the article is accurate. I suppose he used “bleach” in the title as click bait.

      1. So why did upthread you claim he literally mentioned bleach? Did you react without actually reading the quote?

        1. Read the whole article before commenting.

          Also, I never said Sullum said that.

          1. “Read the whole article before commenting.”

            So, to a lefty fucking ignoramus, “reading” =/=”understanding”. TDS will do that, and an adolescent understanding of reality helps…

  18. although it did work on the flying jellyfish that attacked Mr. Spock

    That was a great episode.

    Putting together the known facts that :

    (a) the COVOD-19 virus appears to enjoy settling and breeding in the nose, rather than making an immediate dash for the lungs and
    (b) sunlight degrades the COVID-19 virus

    it seems to me that possibly the best and cheapest treatment for getting rid of an infection early on, is to lie on your back in the sun, allowing the sun to bathe the inside of your nose with its healing uv frequencies.

    All that this requires, for those who do not possess a yard, is for the state and local authorities to stop closing parks.

    I am willing to share my Nobel Prize with anyone who comes up with a good treatment for the later stages, when the virus has migrated from nose to lungs.

    1. Or we could shove UV bulbs up our noses.

      That could be both effective, and a bit dangerous. I’ve never had a sinus sun burn. That could suck.

    2. UV lights are also recommended for treating seasonal affective disorder. But let’s make a stupid reference to a Star Trek episode it is obvious the writer doesn’t understand or remember well.

  19. The TDS is real.

    1. So, is that TDS-DS, and the BDS.

      What is also real is that Trump went on TV and said something really idiotic in a press conference.

      1. Like that is something new since the creation of press conferences? If not, then why do we need to dwell on it (two stories in the same day?).

      2. “So, is that TDS-DS, and the BDS.”

        Don’t bother with juvenile attempts to deflect attention to your disease.

      3. Nobody has to make up shit about Biden to mock and ridicule him though, so no, BDS isn’t going to be a thing.

        Jesus Christ get some perspective.

  20. The real lesson here is that Trump is played out. He comes out nightly for some attention and there is nothing really to say. My suggestion is to take a que from Ted Cruz. Come out let the doctors update us and the President can read Green Eggs and Ham to us. Really we would get as much information.

    1. Except doctors have agreed that different disinfectants like hydrogen peroxide are effective in fighting viruses

      1. Um. Did they suggest that they would be effective in vivo?

        1. Your body already uses them in vivo to fight pathogens.

          1. So injecting it would work?

            1. See my reply to Tommy T it was meant for you.

        2. Can answer this one.

          No. My dentist recommended that I gargle with hydrogen peroxide, because it might kill off some of the virus load if exposed. I am doing that. He didn’t tell me to spit it out after gargling instead of swallowing it — I kinda just figured that part out on my own.

          1. Possibly, it’s been done in the past.

    2. He’s throwing out banana peels. The fact that this Lysol injection thing blew up actually helps Trump tremendously, because it makes every media entity that covered it with this uniquely retarded take absolutely ridiculous.

      I don’t understand why the media keeps playing this game, because they are losing.

      1. I’m beginning to wonder if its a Pavlovian Response at this point. They live in such an echo chamber that they literally cannot see anything but their own reflection when they look out a window. As some others have posited, the Media NEEDS Trump to be reelected because its the only way they will stay afloat economically.

        1. “As some others have posited, the Media NEEDS Trump to be reelected because its the only way they will stay afloat economically.”

          Biden will hand out federal media bailouts, at least for the ones who don’t actually take jobs in his administration.

        2. I’m beginning to wonder if its a Pavlovian Response at this point.

          It is. It’s like Michael Scott’s inability to keep from blurting out ‘That’s what she said!’. It’s a marker of immaturity.

      2. I don’t understand why the media keeps playing this game, because they are losing.

        It’s not a game, it’s their calling, their livelihood. Until every headline prepended by “Not Fake News! No, Really! It’s Not!” and the printing presses have stopped rolling they will persist.

      3. LOL no. Everyone is laughing about it and that’s about it.

    3. Moderation….To agree somewhat. The start of the Wuhan coronavirus Task Force briefings where POTUS Trump goes through his ‘greatest hits’ definitely have the feel of a campaign rally by remote.

      The MSM has been absolutely abysmal. Needlessly provocative and combative. They go out of their way to bait POTUS Trump and that is not right. Their (MSMs) treatment of task force members is shameful.

      The online media like Reason. Well, you can see for yourself. 🙂

    4. “The real lesson here is that Trump is played out.”

      Is it the tipping point, asshole? The beginning of the end? Are the walls closing in?
      Will you ever grow up?

  21. Trump was clearly referencing Hydrogen Peroxide. Do some basic research before posting these articles that fall apart as soon as someone looks into it.

    1. Not better

      1. It’s the dose that kills. Your body already produces hydrogen peroxide and had quite good mechanism to keep it from becoming toxic. It is only in large doses that it is dangerous.

      2. In fact your immune system already uses hydrogen peroxide to combat pathogens.

          1. So everyone acting stupid about it just show that they are freaking out over something small.

    2. It’s Not Fake News:

      ROFLMFAO!

      Not fake, to be sure!

    3. Grr… I keep fucking up threading today. Must’ve mistakenly hit the ‘reply’ button through all the tears of laughter.

    4. He used the word “disinfectant”. When were the words, “Hydrogen Peroxide”, used during the press conference?

      1. Nor was bleach but that didn’t stop you from claiming it was upthread.

  22. Imagine Biden said the same thing. What would the Trumpsters (rhymes with dumpsters) say?

    1. I guess this is one of those infamous “remotely” libertarian things you constantly say?

    2. What would the Trumpsters (rhymes with dumpsters) say?

      That it would be uncharacteristically cogent for Biden these days?

      1. LOL

      2. If Biden actually showed even one unedited interview of the sort Trump airs everyday I would seriously reconsider the dementia theory.

    3. It’s truly sad what TDS has done to you.

    4. “What would the Trumpsters (rhymes with dumpsters) say?”

      Dunno.
      What would the lefty fucking ignoramuses (rhymes with lefty fucking ignoramuses) say, lefty fucking ignoramus?

  23. Imagine your CEO speculating about the technical aspects of your work, which he knows jack shit about, to the media. What an obnoxious douche

    1. Why do we have to keep imagining things?

      1. Because as far as I know, Trump isnt anyone’s boss here?

    2. You don’t have to imagine. You just have to look at the expression on Bryan’s face.

      1. Oh, look! 2-bit psycho analysis!

    3. I mean isn’t that so commonly done that it is a running gag in the comic strip Dilbert?

  24. Literally nowhere did he recommend intravenous injection of bleach. Did he use “disinfectant” rather than “antiseptic”? Yep. But those are frequently the same active ingredients, with antiseptics having a lower concentration. In addition, “injection” means forcing a liquid into a cavity of the body. An enema or a douche are injections which frequently use antiseptics. So boo hoo, he got one word wrong.

    1. Also we, presumably, already got the one guy taking medical advice directly from Trump’s press briefings so no harm…

      1. Some of those old adds are creepy and weird, but definitely proves the point and even uses the word “disinfectant”.

        1. I just thought it was funny, but you’re really splitting those hairs, huh.

          1. May have misconstrued the point of your link.

            Regardless, I do like looking at those old ads. The old ads for sodas and cigarettes are humorous, but sad knowing what we know now.

  25. Before antibiotics, a common treatment for pneumonia was a nebulizer with a food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide solution – injecting the disinfectant into the lungs to clean out the infection.

      1. Yes

        1. Is it just some “overlooked” therapy or what?

          1. Just an older treatment modality that isn’t commonly used anymore. Using bleach to disinfect wounds is also not highly recommended, but in severely infected wounds I have seen it ordered occasionally. Actually for a long time using peroxide and iodine were disfavored but have regained popularity in fighting antibiotic resistant infections in wounds.

          2. Antibiotics became more popular so the treatment faded into obscurity until it was brought up by the medical experts that Trump was talking to about these disinfectants.

  26. “But he did idly speculate that, since disinfectants kill the COVID-19 virus on surfaces, it was worth investigating whether they might work as a treatment, and he specifically mentioned “injection,””

    This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that our president is a madman: speculating that disinfectants might work as a treatment? That’s impeachable, straight up.

    #BringImpeachmentBack

      1. Well it should at least qualify for removal of the president with the 25th amendment.

        #25A

          1. I’m glad you think it’s funny, Nadz!

            1. Why? Because what he said is being misconstrued and UV lights actually are being investigated as treatments? Or that your body already uses hydrogen peroxide to combat pathogens and it has been used in small doses in the past to combat infections? Or because you are looking for any excuse to remove him because you are afraid that Biden can’t actually win?

              1. Ernie is a new parody account, every bit as lame as OBL.
                Nardz is on to him/her.

        1. We should elect the dementia patient or the crazy, criminal alcoholic lady in his place…for the good of the country

          1. They have far crazier ideas, but they know to keep their mouth shut when it serves their political ambitions.

            1. Actually, the problem is, they don’t either.

  27. DO NOT drink or inject bleach. That is stupid.

    What’s more stupid and dangerous though: suggesting that you should try and inject bleach, or suggesting that the communist Chinese regime are our honorable friends and trading partners and we should continue right on doing business with them?

    The former will kill you; the latter is killing our country.

    1. DO NOT drink or inject bleach. That is stupid.

      Do not eat or inject mold. Do not eat or inject heavy metal compounds. Do not eat or inject organic chemicals you synthesize. Yet, under medical supervision and in the right doses, people do all of those things regularly.

      In fact, both UV irradiation of blood and injection of hydrogen peroxide have been used for medical treatments in the past; they have fallen out of favor because there are better alternatives now, but there is nothing intrinsically absurd about the concept.

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  29. i too idea , very very ok

  30. If someone drinks bleach after hearing what Trump said, then that will be because the media decided, of all of the things Trump has said in the last 72 hours, to pick that one up and harp on it relentlessly.

    That’s somewhat telling.

    1. it’s almost like they are hoping for that

    2. Kind of like a “gun safety” group suing a gun manufacturer for advertising a specific type of gun as a military killing machine, when for the past 20 years it was actually the “gun safety” groups doing all that advertising.

  31. I wonder how many of the snickering people realize that both blood UV irradiation and intravenous hydrogen peroxide have been used in the past as therapies by mainstream physicians in humans, and hypochlorite was at least tested in animals. They have been replaced by better alternatives, but there is nothing intrinsically absurd about the idea. Many drugs people still use regularly are highly toxic and dangerous.

    1. No, no they don’t see above from our science expert Chipper and JFree and Earnesto and Moderation and Morty.

      1. That’s it! Now I’m gonna tell the principal on you!

    2. I wonder how many of the snickering people realize that both blood UV irradiation and intravenous hydrogen peroxide have been used in the past as therapies by mainstream physicians in humans

      To be honest, I’d never heard of that, but then again I’m not a doctor. Sounds like irradiating the blood with UV could be pretty invasive. How would that be done without diverting the blood flow through a machine that then irradiates it with UV light before pumping it back into the patient? Maybe it can be done without doing that but I don’t know. As for Hydrogen Peroxide, I’d assume you’d have to carefully control the dosage. Somehow I doubt that the proper dosage would be enough to kill all the virus in an infected patient’s body, and the dosage required to get all the virus would, I assume, probably kill the patient too but that’s just a guess.

      1. That is why we do research. He stated it was worth looking at.

      2. How would that be done without diverting the blood flow through a machine that then irradiates it with UV light before pumping it back into the patient?

        That’s how it is usually done, so good thinking. It’s an old technique, but people have started looking at it again as a possibility for diseases for which no other treatments are available.

        As for Hydrogen Peroxide, I’d assume you’d have to carefully control the dosage. Somehow I doubt that the proper dosage would be enough to kill all the virus in an infected patient’s body,

        The objective of such approaches is not to kill all of the virus, but to kill some infected cells in the blood to help the immune system figure out what to target. That’s because many pathogens have special mechanisms for evading detection by the immune system.

        These are not good therapies right now, but it’s reasonable for a layman like Trump to ask whether it could work and whether more research might be warranted.

        Personally, I’d refrain from doing so in a press conference, but what do I know about running a campaign.

  32. It’s Not Fake News: Trump Did Actually Suggest That Injecting Bleach Could Be a Cure for COVID-19

    Did the president recommend that Americans inject themselves with bleach as a COVID-19 cure or prophylactic? Strictly speaking, no.

    So, did he or didn’t he? Which is it?

    Granted, what he said did sound kind of dumb (UV light through the skin or inside the body; injecting disinfectant – how would that even work?) but it struck me as just the usual stream of consciousness stuff that he always says when he starts pontificating on a subject he doesn’t really know anything about. And to be clear, that sort of thing isn’t even unique to Trump: a lot of people, including a lot of politicians do the same thing. There’s really no story here at all. In a sane world everyone would just ignore shit like this but, alas, this isn’t a sane world.

    1. He didn’t. There is a link to the transcript in the article.

      1. I know he didn’t, I was ripping on Reason for the stupid headline, which is then directly contradicted in the article itself. It’s somewhat telling that about the only evidence anyone can point to to support the idea that Trump was telling people to inject bleach or other disinfectants is the tweet from the maker of Lysol saying, in essence, “don’t shoot up with Lysol, dumbasses.”

        I’m not even a Trump supporter, but I also don’t suffer from TDS. Is this weak sauce really the best the media can come up with?

    2. So, the latest is Trump himself claims he was just joking when he said it. Which undermines all the attempts here to defend what he said as if it were the result of a legitimate discussion he had had with the medical researchers.

      1. “So, the latest is Trump himself claims he was just joking when he said it. Which undermines all the attempts here to defend what he said as if it were the result of a legitimate discussion he had had with the medical researchers.”

        No, it does nothing of the sort. The ‘argument’ if you will, has been made here that it was a throwaway comment, but also might have some validity.
        Fucking lefty ignoramuses like you keep trying to grasp at straws with your tiny hands. And failing.

  33. – Trump wonders if injecting bleach might help.

    – Left-wing media laughs at Trump for saying it.

    – Right-wingers, to spite left-wing media, inject selves with bleach.

    1. As usual Trump is riffing, and left wing douchebags like you get your panties in a twist. Seriously just fuck off, tuck yourself in bed in and hide out from the world. We don’t need you.

    2. eyeroller, to make an ass of himself, posts that comment.

    3. He wondered no such thing.

      ABC News reporter Jon Karl asked [DHS official Bill] Bryan, “The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?”

      On its face, this is a stupid question, and of course, the answer was NO, but this is what was seized upon. I’m really beginning to despise these people.

    4. The last people who swallowed aquarium cleaner were Democrats.

      “Right wingers” tend to have more sense than that.

  34. Well, I thought the Libertarians were pretty ridiculous in the 2016 election cycle, demonstrated at their unserious convention, but this is it for me. I am done with Reason — it is just another reflexively unhinged anti-Trump website. Reporting Trump’s remarks in this manner is an unconscionable lie.

  35. Actually, what Trump speculated about is very similar to an actual medical procedure used to treat some lung diseases.

    “This procedure washes out mucous casts, which are then
    aspirated through the same catheter. It has been suggested that amucolyticagent or detergent could be used in the lavage fluid.”

    Bronchial lavage in the treatment of obstructive lung disease

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1019111/pdf/thorax00090-0072.pdf

    1. Vernon

      The 1966 article you linked to.

      Bronchial lavage is used every day. It is a highly skilled procedure primarily used for diagnosis in which the endoscopic tube is placed through the bronchi into the area of interest then samples are collected. It is also often used to clear mucous plugs resulting in atalectasis.

      Now it can and has been used for diagnostic reasons in some of these patients. The radiology actually tells a good part of the story. It presents in severe cases as multi focal bilateral ground glass opacities, alveolar disease, areas of consolidation. You can’t just “flush it out” or shine some sort of light on it. Lungs are delicate organs.

      This is a multi systemic disease. It infects the whole body. That is the key.

      1. The treatment of viruses has always been geared towards controlling symptoms and arresting the reproduction of the virus until your immune system eliminates it. UV light is actually being studied in a number of countries for this very exact reason.

      2. You can’t just “flush it out” or shine some sort of light on it. Lungs are delicate organs.

        No, but what you can do is UV-treat blood. That’s not intended to “flush out the virus”, it’s intended to kill enough infected cells so that the immune system can do its job.

        Liquid ventilation reduces mechanical stresses, can be used to deliver drugs, to rapidly cool the body, to remove waste products, and to reduce inflammation. It’s commonly used in premature infants.

        In fact, if you think of successful medical treatments as eliminating pathogens (as you seem to), you fundamentally don’t understand how disease works.

      3. None of which negates the point I made.

  36. Even Sullum has to admit that his own headline is untrue. He also foolishly says, “Trump’s suggestion about using “ultraviolet or just very powerful light” to eliminate the virus inside infected patients, while less likely to kill anyone, was equally fanciful.”
    It’s too bad Sullum had never heard about blood irradiation therapy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_irradiation_therapy

    1. I was about to add the wiki link for blood irradiation therapy, but you beat me to it. Trump’s ramblings about using UV light somehow included the 3 types of irradiation therapy: (1) blood treated outside of the body, (2) through the skin, and (3) intravenous. This is too close to be just a coincidence. Someone must have been talking with Trump about blood irradiation therapy, and with Trump’s memory and attention span, it must have been shortly before the news conference.
      This therapy has been used fairly recently for treating Hepatitis C (HCV) patients.
      https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(15)00140-X/fulltext

  37. Oof what a maroon. Contender for most disingenuous Reason article of the day.

    Covid derangement syndrome appears to be the novel analog of TDS.

  38. Jesus H Fucking Christ we got people dying down here, and we got disinfectant, hell yeah lets put them together, at least if they die they`ll be clean.

    1. When haven’t people been dying? And just as a thought experiment would you take chemotherapy drugs if you had cancer? Because the whole point of chemotherapy and XRT is to kill cells, it is hoped that you kill more cancer cells then healthy ones.

    2. Or if you had ventricular fib would you be willing for me to shock you with enough electricity to literally stop your heart with the hope that it restarts in a normal rhythm?
      How about if you have severe heart arhythmias can I give you the potent toxin digoxin? And the rat poison warfarin?

      1. The point is that when administered correctly many medical treatments are effective but they all sound scary if described in a certain way.

        1. All of that is true. If you administered the incorrect drug or in the wrong dose, or defibrillated a patient in NSR what would we call that? That is why we have experts like yourself.

          I do not expect the president to be an expert in any of that. The president is expected to be an expert in getting the message to the public and navigating the political system to get resources where they need to be.

          Rambling on about subjects beyond his knowledge only confuses people. In any pandemic misinformation even if speculative just makes things worse. He has not been all bad in this but he needs to learn when to stop talking in public.

          1. So, if we have used hydrogen peroxide and irradiated blood with UV in the past with success in other cases, what is wrong with asking if it can be tested today? Are you saying there is no therapeutic doses of these modalities? But others have been pointing out that they have. Those of you freaking out over this, rathe or not he is joking, need to re-examine why you are freaking out? And is it anything new for presidents to speak about shit they don’t understand?

            1. There is nothing wrong with the question of what might work.

              All I know about irradiated blood is that it is sometimes given in transplant patients and a few other conditions. None of them infectious so far as I know but perhaps you can enlighten me.

              The point I am making is the president should not be asking them on camera. It confuses people. One of the sequela of a pandemic is misinformation and panic some of which is happening now. Words are the scalpel the president holds. He should not be excused when he goes off script.

              I am not at all freaking out. We are fine thank you. Hope you are the same.

              1. I am not sure why you think the President can’t ask it, especially if it has been used and or was discussed with him by specialist in the field. UV light is being investigated in a number of countries as a treatment modality.

              2. The point I am making is the president should not be asking them on camera. It confuses people.

                It confuses people who are ignorant, superstitious, unscientific, and gullible, people like journalists and most academics.

                It doesn’t confuse most Americans.

                Whether it’s a deliberate or good political strategy for Trump, I don’t know. We’ll find out in November.

                It seems to keep him in the news. Biden in comparison has disappeared from the scene entirely.

              3. “…The point I am making is the president should not be asking them on camera. It confuses people…”

                Only YOU and other top men know what a person should be allowed to say during a broadcast, right?
                That’s worth a “fuck off, slaver” right there!

          2. Rambling on about subjects beyond his knowledge only confuses people. In any pandemic misinformation even if speculative just makes things worse. He has not been all bad in this but he needs to learn when to stop talking in public.

            Anybody with an ounce of common sense understands that you don’t inject or take untested drugs or treatments without consulting with an expert first, whether it’s bleach or some 50 letter chemical compound.

            The fact that journalists and others keep feeling the need to point this out is a testament to how divorced they are from reality, and it’s a testament to their arrogance.

  39. Hydrogen Peroxide is a disinfectant. Medical grade peroxide is indeed injected into the body to fight some infections. It’s called infusion therapy. UV light therapy also exists and is currently being tested as a COVID-19 treatment.

    What I see happening here is that Trump heard a couple of advisors mention these two treatments in a meeting and messily referenced it in the conference. Media then went full bore ORANGE BLEACH BAD despite the fact that he most definitely was not advocating anything like people drinking bleach. To suggest otherwise is dishonest and retarded.

    Imagine if Barack Obama said radiation is a valid treatment of illness and the media accused him of encouraging visits to Chernobyl.

    1. ORANGE BLEACH BAD

      That was definitely chuckle-worthy.

  40. Remember when the entire media treated the pouring of 6% bleach as a chemical attack during the Smollett story? I think you guys have an irrational fear of sanitizers.

  41. The presidential election will certainly be interesting to watch. It’ll be between a sociopath man baby and a senile hair sniffing lunatic that makes Abe Simpson look lucid.

    1. If there is an election.

    2. “…It’ll be between a sociopath man baby..”

      Even more amusing will be watching the reactions of asshole TDS victims like FG here.

      1. I could care less. I know he’s probably going to get re-elected because all the Democrats can put forward is ‘orange man bad.’

        1. Frank_Garrett
          April.24.2020 at 8:45 pm
          “I could care less…”

          Of COURSE! You don’t care so much, you come here to comment on how much you don’t care!
          TDS does that.

  42. Wow! Dear Leader is a master at sarcasm and an epidemiologist and a medical doctor all rolled into one. What an amazing specimen!

    1. Wow! Asshole lefty is a master of stoooopid!

  43. Ahahahahaha… the comments from Dear Leader’s ball suckers here are the fucking best. Keep it coming, ball suckers.

    1. “…Dear Leader’s ball suckers…”

      Lefty scumbag seems quite interested in others sexual equipment; compensation is obvious.

  44. I’m not a Trump apologist, but hte truth is the truth: Trump did NOT say that. I listened to the whole exchange. Trump asked if it was something that could be done, he did NOT suggest people do it. There was most certainly a questioning inflection to his voice. He was asking about it, not recommending it.

    Perhaps it’s a matter of interpretation, but if so you guys are most certainly NOT giving him a fair reading.

  45. Oh my God! When will people learn? You aren’t supposed to take shit he says seriously. He’s constantly saying weird shit. Wait until he actually does something.
    There’s plenty to criticize in his support of tyrannical lockdowns and ridiculous bailouts.

    1. “You aren’t supposed to take shit he says seriously. He’s constantly saying weird shit. Wait until he actually does something.
      There’s plenty to criticize in his support of tyrannical lockdowns and ridiculous bailouts.”

      Except that it all starts as Trump saying “…weird shit..” and if there is not instant and broad condemnation it becomes “…weird shit..” that he’s actually done. To wait until he’s done it you’ve waited too long, and it’s too late. Trump has been talking about insane multi-trillion dollar Trumpulus plans, worse even than Obama’s Porkulus, from day one; excusing them as “…weird shit..” landed us with the biggest, growing, and worst ever. After several of the mass shootings Trump repeatedly proposed truly draconian anti-RKBA measures; instead of excusing that “…weird shit..”, the outcry was instant and massive and Trump surrendered on those heinous proposals to run roughshod over Americans’ rights.

      1. “Trump has been talking about insane multi-trillion dollar Trumpulus plans, worse even than Obama’s Porkulus, from day one”
        Bullshit

        “After several of the mass shootings Trump repeatedly proposed truly draconian anti-RKBA measures; ”
        Bullshit.

        Lie and cry some more asshole.

  46. I miss the days when we could all just laugh about silly things the president says without it turning into some big argument.
    I mean, I’m sure Obama didn’t really think it’s pronounced “Marine corpse” or that there are 57 states. But it was good for a laugh. Same thing here.

  47. *sigh* It IS fake news. He didn’t suggest anything…he *asked* if it was possible. Every freaking news site wastes my time with this crap…how about covering something useful, it’s not like it’s a slow news cycle to justify grasping at these straws for a story.

  48. Trump is America’s broken clock. Don’t ignore the 1338 minutes each day of Trump being wildly wrong to cheer for the two that he is almost right.

    And this was one of Trump’s most wildly wrong minutes. One, too, that he and Trumpies are stretching into many more wildly wrong minutes with insane excuses.

    1. “Trump is America’s broken clock.”

      You are America’s ignoramus with a raging case of TDS.

  49. Isn’t there research that uses UV lights in the body?

  50. It can’t be easy trying to explain what Trump “really” said, let alone meant. It is a public example of Ignorance in Action, most dreaded by Goethe.

    He is not just the National Grope, or the National Braggart, or Serial Adulterer, or Liar, . . but our own Very Stable Genius.

    1. By our very own near fatal victim of TDS.

  51. This should clear it up for those of you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eea-Z1Fcir0

  52. Reason has full blown TDS. The man never made any such statement. F U, Reason.

  53. People drink disinfectant all the time. They even have special stores which specialize in selling it to them, and special businesses where they can go suck down disinfectant with their friends.

    It’s called “alcohol.”

  54. Lemmee see. Chemotherapy dips a poison directly into the bloodstream. Chemo is efficasious for some cancers. The side-effects can be damaging to deadly. My wife lost 80% of her kidney function due to one round of chemo. The oncologist then changed what was in the drip. Trump says doctors should look into, i.e. research, this. Tell me why that’s a bad idea.

  55. Not many people who read this site are dumb enough to believe it, but YouTube is full of cranks going on about how bleach is a cure all that’s been suppressed by the man. They go to third world countries to promote this crap.

    1. For third world countries, bleach is a cure-all.

      In fact, in this country, it’s illegal to sell water in a pipe without bleach. It’s in the ~1 ppm range, but that free chlorine is what separates you from dysentery, cholera, and every other disease that murdered our ancestors left and right.

  56. Most media, in the process of lying abjectly, don’t have the decency to demonstrate their dishonesty so overtly. Any free thinking individual should be motivated to vote Trump if, for no other reason, to spite this industry that is so heinously dishonest.

  57. “It’s not fake news! Trump actually said [Something he didn’t say!]”

    “Well, is this strictly true? No, because he said something different.”

    400+ comments. Clickbait for the win.

    1. Glad to see you adding to the total.

  58. Just remembered a Willie Brown column when Obo was still a candidate.
    He made it clear that Obo’s handlers would not let him speak off-script. When he did so, the supposed ‘constitutional scholar’ bloviated such things as ‘changing the schedule of MJ is congress’ duty’. That was no throw-away line or thinking out loud, that was a purposeful or stupid attempt to deflect attention from his dissembling.
    And it got crickets from the press.
    I think I can say with a degree of certainty that Trump doesn’t have ‘handlers’, and I’m sure that those whose TDS causes them to whine about his malaprops would prefer that slick, lying POS Obo.

    1. You’re a fucking idiot “Obama was not allowed to speak off script”

      Obama went to a GOP House retreat and debated the whole House for over 70 minutes the day that Fox News shut their coverage down because he was making the GOP look stupid:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5vOMIN673A

      1. Oh, look! Turd makes claim with UTUBE as support!
        Fuck off and die, turd.

  59. Jacob, and? I don’t think you proved much here.

    I don’t know. But at this point, aside from the fact that the experts know jack shit themselves, people who take him literally or purposely misread what he says (and there’s a case to be made that maybe he should just stop talking about these things because it’s just an unnecessary hassle), maybe a little thinning of the herd may not be a bad idea. Malthus smirks.

    What an annoying two months this has been. It’s been soul crushing watching my fellow man and their willingness to be made into sheep so easily under the guise of ‘following the science’ while acting as if they’re fucking heroes for self-isolating in the process.

    No you’re not. You’re about on par with an animus shaman.

    This stupid virus doesn’t have the lethality first thought. But now we’re stuck with the fact they over blew their fears with people sufficiently in ‘just in case’ mode. Our response to this virus has been less than impressive. We look like a bunch of loons panicking.

    Try and tell me this is not a Dark Age.

  60. Okay, all you Trump sucking morons.

    It’s time to put down the Kool-Aid and start guzzling bleach.

    All hail Darwin!

    1. The Con Man is desperate. He keeps pitching quackery to his gullible GOP minions because he knows they eat it up.

      Like that fucking malaria drug he yammered on nonstop about for the last month, It’s all garbage meant to soothe the gullible like Sevo and Rufus here.

    2. “Okay, all you Trump sucking morons.”

      Isn’t it interesting that TDS causes all the lefty fucking ignoramus’ homoerotic fantasies to surface.
      It’s almost like compensation for their little tiny hands (and penises).

  61. Lysol maker issues statement warning dumb-ass Trump Trash not to ingest their product:

    https://www.rb.com/media/news/2020/april/improper-use-of-disinfectants/

    As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route). As with all products, our disinfectant and hygiene products should only be used as intended and in line with usage guidelines. Please read the label and safety information.

    1. “Lysol maker issues statement warning dumb-ass Trump Trash not to ingest their product:”

      Actually that’s aimed at lefty fucking ignoramuses like you, turd.

  62. If you actually watch the full exchange, he was mainly talking about UV light and really only tangentially referenced “disinfectant”. I think what most people are missing is that UV light itself has been used as a disinfectant and I think a fairer interpretation of what he was trying to say is that the UV light could act as a disinfectant inside the body. Just google “UV light as a disinfectant” and you’ll see what I’m talking about. This interpretation is further bolstered by the fact that Trump referred to the disinfectant killing within “1 minute” and then a few sentences later stated, “The whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in 1 minute.” You really need to watch the full exchange itself rather than relying on “journalists” selective editing and realize that the term “disinfectant” doesn’t just mean bleach, lysol, etc. Of course, I don’t actually believe that Trump understands the science behind all this, but in fairness he wasn’t really suggesting that he did and it was more like he was awkwardly trying to relay information that he didn’t really understand himself.

    1. And he does say quite clearly that it will “do a tremendous number on your lungs, so you have to rely on your doctor”.

      I mean, there’s no rational way to read or hear that statement that encourages people to drink bleach or inject Lysol. That’s just an absurd falsehood.

  63. Trump is filling a huge vacuum that exists in the discourse on COVID-19. While the mainstream media and Dem politicians/governors want this to be treated as a doomsday virus, no message exists that gives out the true perspective on this pandemic.
    I wish some scientists and medical experts come out and impart some true perspective to counter the apocalyptic message that is being flooded.

  64. I feel like I’m watching the Special Olympics.

    Government and press both.

  65. Trump cannot control himself, this is a fact. But to claim that somehow Trump suggested people inject themselves with disinfectant is simply a lie. He didn’t say it, he didn’t imply it, and nobody with a functioning brain could interpret it that way.

    If it were otherwise then why isn’t the fake news showing concern that people are going to swallow UV lights and then plug them in? Because that’s fake news they can’t get away with.

  66. Umm, no he did not. He did not mention bleach. He also suggested that “something like” the disinfectant might be able to be used. The headline is false and your comprehension level is about 4th grade.

  67. Reason took the National IQ Test

    And flunked.

  68. Did Trump suggest injecting bleach? No. Did he suggest injecting disinfectant? Yes. Bleach is a disinfectant, a common disinfectant. Trump did no specify a disinfectant, but anyone with half a brain cell knows injecting a disinfectant is a guaranteed Darwin Award. So that means Trump supporters are in danger, because they listen to and believe this fool.

    All this author did by saying ‘bleach’ is allow his loyal cultists an out to get out of the ridiculous nonsense their Dear Leader spouted.

    1. GenoS
      April.24.2020 at 10:30 pm
      “Did Trump suggest injecting bleach? No. Did he suggest injecting disinfectant? Yes.”
      Bullshit.

      “So that means Trump supporters are in danger, because they listen to and believe this fool.”
      No, it means TDS victims are in danger if they are stooopid enough to bleeve you, and there’s a good chance of that!

      “All this author did by saying ‘bleach’ is allow his loyal cultists an out to get out of the ridiculous nonsense their Dear Leader spouted.”
      All you did by posting here is prove that TDS victims are sooopid in the extreme.
      Fuck off and die.

      1. Trump is deranged, our reaction to him is normal.

        “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out, in a minute. Is there a way we can do something like that? By injection, inside, or almost a cleaning, ’cause you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. You’re going to have to use medical doctors, right?”

        1. GenoS
          April.24.2020 at 11:37 pm
          “Trump is deranged, our reaction to him is normal.”

          “Our” indicates a collection of fucking lefty ignoramuses who should do the world a favor: Fuck off and die.
          There is not one piece of your existence which helps humanity. make the world a better place; fuck off and die, slaver

        2. You mean the reaction that says anything goes? The reaction that says abandon all skepticism of government except Trump because he is an unrivaled evil who:

          Deregulates
          Gets us out of unconstitutional treaties
          Cuts Taxes
          Follows court orders
          Refuses to assume dictatorial powers (cf. Obama pen & phone)
          Doesn’t abuse the power of the federal gov’t to spy and harass his opponents

          Yup, all of that is worth burning down every norm, law, and institution to eradicate. Welcome to the Progressive plantation. You never left.

    2. No, Trump didn’t suggest that we should injected ourselves with bleach. He noted how uv light and disinfectant are particularly effective in killin the virus in a minute and pondered if any injection could work also be as effective.

      “So, supposing when we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do SOMETHING LIKE THAT (emphasis mine) that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that – you’re going to have to use medical doctors with – but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.”

      So as with the impeachment fiasco, people are choosing to ignore the plain text of the conversation and intent of those involved and drawing their own conclusion. Trump muddied his position with a silly walkback later, but rest assured no one will be injecting themselves in bleach other than insane democrat voters who ingest tide pods and fish tank cleaners.

      1. The narrative is pure. Believe the narrative. Your pesky actual quote interferes with the narrative and must be cleansed.

        1. How about this quote:

          “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out, in a minute. Is there a way we can do something like that? By injection, inside, or almost a cleaning, ’cause you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. You’re going to have to use medical doctors, right?”

          1. You mean the quote that I showed in my reply? One more time –

            “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out, in a minute. Is there a way we can do SOMETHING LIKE (emphasis mine) that? By injection, inside, or almost a cleaning, ’cause you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. You’re going to have to use medical doctors, right?”

            An injection that would be as effective a uv light or household disinfectant in killing the virus, except for the physical body and and lung.

          2. GenoS
            April.24.2020 at 11:37 pm
            ‘How about this *lie*:’

            Are you so fucking stooooooopid you think that steaming pile of shit was going anywhere?
            Do you have real trouble with the multiplication tables after you get to 4?
            You are:
            A.
            Pathetic.
            Piece.
            Of.
            Shit.

          3. How about the full quote:

            And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

            So we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s — that’s pretty powerful.

            Is there are reason you deleted the last line?

            1. Yes, there is.
              Geno is a pathetic piece of lefty shit.

              1. So you’re saying he’s the next Reason intern?

          4. Oh, and it even gets better. Literally 10 questions later in the briefing there’s this exchange:

            Q But I — just, can I ask about — the President mentioned the idea of cleaners, like bleach and isopropyl alcohol you mentioned. There’s no scenario that that could be injected into a person, is there? I mean —

            ACTING UNDER SECRETARY BRYAN: No, I’m here to talk about the findings that we had in the study. We won’t do that within that lab and our lab. So —

            THE PRESIDENT: It wouldn’t be through injection. We’re talking about through almost a cleaning, sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work. But it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object.

            Sweet Secular Diety of Libertine Nihilism, it’s right there in the transcript. I know you guys love to lie about transcripts (evidence the Ukraine call), but don’t you have any shame at all? Do any facts ever matter?

  69. Trump Did Actually Suggest That Injecting Bleach Could Be a Cure for COVID-19 —

    If he actually said “injecting bleach could be a cure for COVID-19” then OK, but that isn’t in the transcript you provided and sounds a lot like an inaccurate paraphrase of the transcript you did provide and that transforms your argument from false to true.

    Did he say “Injecting bleach could be a cure”? Rational minds would like to know.

  70. Pretty sure an Ingredient for Crystal Meth is Chlorine, so does that mean people who take Meth be less likely to be infected with Corona?

  71. Jacob Sullum,

    Your article can be wrapped up in a few lines.

    The context of Trump’s remarks was a presentation by William Bryan, a senior Department of Homeland Security official who oversees science and technology issues.

    I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous—whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light—and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting…

    And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds—it sounds
    interesting to me.

    The key point is that Trump asked a question of one to the so called experts. This is what we want presidents to do. Now you may not like the question and may find it foolish, however there are lots of time where a seemingly stupid question is the key to pausing and looking at an issue/problem from a different vantage point. This can be particularly helpful when the experts are stuck and not making progress.

    I do however think that Trump should not have opened up to the media about his question. For all of Trump’s faults he is without any doubt the most transparent president in my lifetime. And while I didn’t vote for him and likely will never vote for him. He is much more direct and honest than the preceding president.

    His mouth can get him into trouble at times, but he’s also under a constant onslaught of dishonest and biased journalist such as you it understandable. Trump has a tendency to be defensive and toot his
    own horn, but the dishonest media never reports any of his accomplishments. The fact is that Trump will be slammed regardless of what he does because the dishonest media will always find a way to spin his words or actions in a negative way.

    It’s high time that the dishonest media play it straight. It should begin with Reason.com, so step up to the plate and stop trying to spin everything and stop trying to pile on. I trust that you would feel differently if you put yourself in Trump shoes and faced the daily barrage of loaded gotcha questions, spin and deliberate misinterpretation that he does.

    1. Trump had the largest inauguration crowd ever.

      Since Day 1, Trump has been lying every time he opens his sphincter.

      1. GenoS
        April.24.2020 at 11:23 pm
        “Trump had the largest inauguration crowd ever.
        Since Day 1, Trump has been lying every time he opens his sphincter.”

        Poor Geno. One of these days, that pathetic piece of shit will understand that Geno and the hag LOST!
        And on that day, Geno (we can hope) will fuck off and die, to the benefit of humanity.
        Until then, Geno, stuff a running, rusty chain saw up your ass.

      2. #RUSSIA
        #KAVANAUGH

        The media has been far, far worse. I am enjoying watching notionally libertarians completely sell out their principles, though. It’s hilarious how fraud and acquiescence to unelected bureaucrats is established dogma around here these days.

        1. Hihn has either the ability to accept he’s been called on his bullshit, and hasn’t shown up. Or he’s died.
          And I really don’t care which; the world is a far better place either way.

    2. Jake….

      Since your article got headlined with a “Yes he did say this” on something that he unequivocally did not say, you should show up and address this.

      This is completely dishonest. There is no fair reading of that conversation that comports with the headline, and the main text of the article isn’t much better.

      When people talk about TDS, this isn’t even what they are talking about. TDS would be way, way milder than this one. This requires partisan blinders that are set on “kill”.

      Is it inartful? Maybe. Is he describing a conversation that might have been biologically illiterate? Possibly. But it cannot be rationally argued that he even suggested that people inject household cleaners, let alone that he said people should inject bleach.

      Take a breath. Step back, reread what you wrote in light of comments like the one above. And come back with some reflections on just how twisted someone’s thinking can become when they are properly (or improperly) motivated.

  72. chemotherapy noun

    che·​mo·​ther·​a·​py | \ ˌkē-mō-ˈther-ə-pē \

    Definition of chemotherapy
    : the therapeutic use of chemical agents to treat disease
    especially : the administration of one or more cytotoxic drugs to destroy or inhibit the growth and division of malignant cells in the treatment of cancer

  73. Trump had the largest inauguration crowd ever.

    Since Day 1, Trump has been lying every time he opens his sphincter.

    1. Poor Geno. One of these days, that pathetic piece of shit will understand that Geno and the hag LOST!
      And on that day, Geno (we can hope) will fuck off and die, to the benefit of humanity.
      Until then, Geno, stuff a running, rusty chain saw up your ass.

    2. To aspies, the difference between “boasting” and “lying” must be ruly difficult to discern.

  74. Trump’s own statements and actions since his suggestions of internal use of cleaning disinfectants and UV light are the strongest indictments of his own and his defenders blatant idiocy. Trump tried to excuse the suggestion as a sarcastic query. Trump held the shortest of his C-19 task force briefings to date, refusing all questions. Trump and his administration noted that briefings are to be shorter, less frequent, and Trump’s appearances at them will be both shorter and less frequent. Chicken Trump, recalling his moniker from Trump’s dodging of primary debates, is, again, very much on the run.

    1. BigGiveNotBigGov
      April.25.2020 at 12:19 am
      “Trump’s own statements and actions since his suggestions of internal use of cleaning disinfectants and UV light are the strongest indictments of his own and his defenders blatant idiocy…”

      Your idiocy in buying into those lies is the clear admission that
      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.
      Is that clear, asshole?

      1. Trump plans to cut daily coronavirus briefings

        “…Trump suggested…injecting people with disinfectant. …it finally seems to have dawned on Trump, after this incident, that these briefings aren’t helping him. The CDC and other public health officials responded obliquely to the comment by telling people not to drink bleach.

        https://www.axios.com/trump-daily-coronavirus-briefings-809becf3-9913-4b71-9f92-1930ad1d29b0.html

        ChickenTrump is, again, on the run. That his imbecilic supporters let Trump get away with it in the primary is why America has the most C-19 cases and deaths, today. Ironically, the farther and faster ChickenTrump runs, now, the less Americans will continue to die.

        Run far, run fast ChickenTrump!

        1. Your idiocy in buying into those lies is the clear admission that
          You.
          Are.
          Full.
          Of.
          Shit.
          Is that clear, asshole?

  75. Haven’t we learned yet it doesn’t matter what Trump does or says. So long as he isn’t a Democrat he, they, can literally get away with anything.

    1. No, we’ve learned that fucking lefty ignoramuses like you are to be ignored, fucking lefty ignoramus.

  76. Yes, It IS fake news. In the past few months of looking at Reason’s article I’ve lost just about all faith in Reason’s ability to reason, or even see the world clearly as a starting point for reasoning.

  77. I’m being serious here… What is really going on? Trump didn’t tell anyone to inject any chemicals. So is this just outright propaganda or is it a misunderstanding? Is it just blind hatred causing a psychosis and false memories of what he said? The entire press briefing was about how UV light kills viruses. UV light is classified as a non-chemical disinfectant. Trump was asking the scientists if there is some way to get UV light in the body. Disinfectant injection. I watched the entire briefing, and came out of it thinking about Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation (UBI). It wasn’t until I read left leaning websites that he supposedly told everyone to inject Lysol. He didn’t even mention any chemical in the entire briefing. So… whats going on? Please be truthful and honest.

    1. “…Is it just blind hatred causing a psychosis and false memories of what he said?..”

      TDS is NOT a joke; it’s real and it colors at least half of what it posted here by the writers and the commenters.

    2. Absolutely correct. Cedar-Sinai has also developed an UV-A light source that is inserted by a catheter down the esophagus and down near the lungs. In reference to the disinfectant, asking a question about doing “something like that” is not the same as “that.”

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  79. He never said bleach. The right thing to do would be to fix the headline and issue a retraction.

    1. The hitchhiker had his thumb out while walking down the road but he never yelled out “I need a ride!”. Get it?

      1. Indeed we do get it; you’re a fucking lefty ignoramus who makes up stories for what you can’t understand.
        Which is a LARGE amount.

  80. Much ado about nothing. Trump is dumber than a gallon of bleach and has been proving it daily for the last three years.

    Anyone who pays attention to anything Trump says is retarded and he should be put on permanent ignore by everyone. Until he is tossed out of office we just have to learn to live with the dumbest president ever saying stupid things.

    1. Please do not seek help, loser.
      We can hope TDS is fatal in your case.

      1. You’re a retarded loser who has posted over 70 times on this topic even though you have nothing intelligent to say.

  81. Face it
    You voted for a game show host with no morals

    you get what you pay for

    1. Opinions from lefty fucking ignoramuses are NWS.

  82. BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. He said no such thing and I watched that clip he only mentioned disinfectant, he didn’t say bleach. “Reason” kiss my fucking ass, seriously, your just as bad as the Communist New Network in spreading lies and bull shit, agree with him or not, Steven Crowder takes down this load shit your trying to propagate. Again leftists will never like you so quit trying to please them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0heJh3YD3c&t=681s

    1. Sputtering, half-educated, bigoted dumbasses might be my favorite culture war casualties.

      For entertainment value, can’t beat a blustering clinger.

      1. “Sputtering, half-educated, bigoted dumbasses might be my favorite culture war casualties.”

        Smug asshole bigots are mine, asshole bigot!

    2. Bleach is the only disinfectant he mentioned. I agree he probably wasn’t thinking of injecting bleach. But you can’t claim “he said no such thing”.

  83. Omfg I watched this presser three times and HE DID NOT SAY THAT!!!!!!

    1. I watched it and I read the transcript above. He did actually talk about doctors injecting disinfectant. I assume he was thinking of something safer than bleach, but who knows. This is the same guy that wondered aloud about using nuclear weapons to destroy hurricanes. I haven’t heard too many world leaders with such loose lips.

  84. Its called darwinism people and its worked for millions of years.
    Anyone who is stupid enough to inject or inhale ANYTHING that was not designed to do so and even a few things are designed to be inhaled (cigarettes and vaping)…will suffer the consequences and mankind as a whole will be better off for it…

  85. These comments from Trump supporters illustrate why America’s rural and southern backwaters — Mississippi, Oklahoma, West Virginia, South Carolina, Wyoming — are America’s septic tanks.

    1. Well then let them go…secession? You can have NYC (the arm pit of the world of wokes and bolsheviks/central bankers) and I’ll take Charleston..a city of real commerce. Free states versus Public Sector states..I kind of know who would win that fight pretty quick

      1. Fight about what?

      2. Yes, secession would be great. Take all the southern meth and opiate addicts, white supremist bigots, and drunk toothless idiots – republicans, and let them have their own “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” country. Lets see who will starve first. California and New York alone, produces more wealth than all the republican run states put together. Damn, Lincoln, Another republican, fucked things up, didn’t he?

    2. And your comments suggest why asshole bigots ought to be ignored; separating fact from fantasy is beyond their brain-damaged abilities, asshole bigot.

  86. For the wokes and left libertarians who never passed freshman chemistry..there are four typical anti viral agents used to kill viruses on surfaces, alcohol (usually isopropyl which you can’t drink), Hydrogen Peroxide (Hydrogen and Oxygen), Bleach which is has a chlorine atom (hence clorox) and ammonia type solutions. Trump seem to be asking about UV radiation which does kills viruses but getting it into “your body” isn’t possible although to be honest that question could have come from a left wing liberal art major as well. The only disinfectant he was discussing I think was alcohol which is not a bleach. Was it silly what he said? Yes but he lacks basic background in hard science and engineering but honestly so did Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Trump just has “stream of consciousness” in public..I”m sure the others did in private. Honestly who cares..let’s just admit the fatality rate is a lot lower than predictive and the area under the “curve” is the same whether we prolong the agony of lock down or not..time to go back to work in my opinion.

    1. It’s not a crime to be ignorant. It is a crime to presume to direct policy based on denial of your ignorance.

    2. Please don’t defend stupidity. It is not good to have a ignorant, stupid, white supremacist, evil presidents. Try to comprehend what is actually going on. There will eventually be around two million Americans dead from this, and Trump is making things worse, just like every republican does. Sociopaths, every one of them. All have the Dunning – Kruger effect.

    3. About that UV radiation. Matthew Gdovin, PhD, at the University of Texas San Antonio has been researching photodynamic acidification therapy to reduce triple negative breast cancer growth. A chemical compound, Nitrobenzaldehyde, when injected into the tumor, and stimulated by a beam of ultraviolet (UV) light, eliminated cancer cells from the body within two hours.

  87. Headline: I have a story about Apples.
    Story: This is a banana.

    Never mind the revolution; welcome to reason after they drink bleach.

    1. Apple seeds contain cyanide. Are you trying to kill people?!?!

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  89. and in France they are using nicotine patches to fight Covid-19..and somehow they irony of this escapes the media?

    UV is a known antiviral…it is often used instead of chemicals..

    Just saying..

    1. Nicotine has been used as an insecticide since Colonial times. UV is used in fish tank filters and water treatment plants to cleanse water of bacteria and viruses. It’s a shame that some people and reporters suffer so much TDS that they put common sense and science aside in order to attack Trump.

  90. Even the idea that a doctor would ever experiment on human beings by injecting them with some kind of household “disinfectant” is kind of crazy.

    1. Exactly. That’s why Trump said no such thing.

  91. ALL THIS STUPIDITY OF 43% OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS VERY DISTURBING AND DANGEROUS. STUPIDITY HURTS AND KILLS.
    STUPIDITY CAN’T BE FIXED, SO IT SHOULD BE RIDICULED AND SCORNED INTO SILENCE.

  92. Just listening to stupidity hurts. I can’t listen to Trump, it’s too painful. I can’t understand how anyone can like Trump. If you agree with Trump, you are mentally deficient AND, YOU HAVE THE DUNNING-KRUGER SYNDROME.

    1. Mensa Member here:
      No one has Dunning Kruger like those taught by NeoMarxists.

  93. I read the quotes.
    It’s Fake News.

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  95. Dakin solution is a ten to one dilution of bleach in water sometimes used as a surgical antiseptic. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29939693 An famous burn surgeon in a position to know once told me that very dilute Dakin solution was sometimes used IV in WW1 to treat massive infections, reportedly with occasional success. More evidence that sometimes even a blind hog finds an acorn.

  96. President Trump never said for people to drink or inject bleach. It’s sad that a reporter/journalist is incapable of diagramming a sentence to determine nouns and verbs. Sad indeed.

  97. What an odd little article! When Trump was talking about bleach, he specifically said 5 minutes. Later, when he was talking about an unspecified ‘disinfectant’, he said 1 minute. And when he said inject, he wasn’t talking about bleach or Lysol. He said “where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside”. Anybody with even a rudimentary grasp of English can see that ‘something like that’ is referring to one minute, not to any specific disinfectant.

  98. The heading of the article is pure CLICKBAIT.
    Simply “No, Trump did NOT actually suggest injecting bleach could cure coronavirus”
    It is shit like this that makes me double question articles from Reason.
    I viscerally know that Reason is on my side, and should be authoritative from a socio-pundit POV.
    But I have noticed a bit of “mainstream media” sensibilities creeping in. A good thing from a business model POV for Reason, but not so good for a real reliable libertarian news source POV to otherwise counter the mainstream media flow of biased blather.
    Tim Poole actually issued an apology for promoting this very point, when he too was subsumed by the deluge of media driven public opinion, and then looked at it again.
    Reason should do the same.

  99. One of the favorite things to attack is President Trump’s mention of trying to inject a disinfectant or using ultraviolet light to fight the COVID-19 virus. It was something he mentioned in passing and he was immediately attacked as a know-nothing fool making dangerous pronouncements. Many cartoons portrayed this as him recommending drinking bleach or with a light shining out of one of his orifices. Very funny!
    A quick internet search shows that hydrogen peroxide (a disinfectant) has been infused into humans for decades to fight infections including viral infections, influenza, and pneumonia. As far as UV light goes, group of researchers at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, Calif., known as the Medically Associated Science and Technology (MAST) team, has been investigating the potential application of the safest type of UV light within the body for years. They have recently turned their eyes to the COVID-19 problem and have applied to the FDA for an EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) to begin clinical trials on COVID-19 patients who require intubation. Ironically they even credited Trump with getting the technology noticed.

    Now of all of the journalists, letter writers, and media types who jumped on Trump for these statements, and who consider themselves to be way smarter and more righteous than any of his supporters, couldn’t one of them have done a Google search?

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