Yet Another Study Blames Food Companies for Parental Choices
Food companies don't determine what parents put in their shopping carts.

A new study on food marketing and kids, published this week in JAMA Pediatrics, concludes, as a UPI report this week explains, that "[e]xposure to food and beverage marketing and advertising boosts consumption of these products appreciably among children and adolescents."
Study co-author Emma Boyland of the University of Liverpool tells UPI the "research is further robust evidence that unhealthy food marketing has detrimental effects on eating and related behaviors in young people." Boyland and her co-authors conclude the study by arguing their findings "support the implementation of policies to restrict children's exposure to food marketing." That's despite the fact, as I've explained many times, that such food-policy interventions are as notoriously invasive as they are ineffective.
But this JAMA Pediatrics study seemingly was always going to conclude otherwise. Indeed, the study was intended to bolster and update recommendations by the World Health Organization (WHO), which funded the study. Per the study, the WHO currently recommends "that member states enact policies to restrict children's exposure to unhealthy food marketing." The new study was intended "to inform the development of updated recommendations to restrict food marketing to children."
For their research, the authors searched through more than twenty scholarly databases to identify relevant studies published between January 2009 and March 2020. They identified dozens of relevant existing articles, which comprised the research cited in their meta-analysis.
"Children and adolescents are particularly vulnerable to the effects of food marketing given their immature cognitive and emotional development, peer-group influence, and high exposure," the study argues.
I've read through dozens of similar studies over the years, and I find their cognitive dissonance startling. Kids might be "particularly vulnerable" to food marketing, but they aren't the ones who buy food (or toys, for that matter). That choice is left to parents or guardians—who have authority over food choices and, even more importantly, money to buy food.
It's true that some parents choose to cede some of their authority. Prior research has shown that kids do influence parental food purchases—chiefly via nagging and pestering. A 2013 article in Time dubbed this sort of parental abdication of food decision-making authority "mealtime surrender." A 2016 study found that "children influence the purchasing decisions of their parents, but this influence decreases when mothers and fathers are more aware of the importance of a quality-based diet." This suggests parents are also quite aware they are the ones ultimately responsible for raising happy and healthy kids.
If a child of any age sees a food product advertised and asks their parent to buy that food product for them, the choice to do so (or not) is the parent's alone. But maybe the kid nags and pesters. Well, countering the nagging requires an approach parents are uniquely qualified to exercise: parenting.
Parents are free to let their kid watch food ads, choose what foods to buy, and choose what foods the parent will serve them at home. But don't blame food companies for parents' mealtime surrender. Blame parents.
Research blaming food companies for what parents feed their kids, I noted in a 2016 column, is a "tired old trope" and "the public-health community's answer to everything."
"No amount of television watching by an infant is responsible for the fact they're consuming French fries instead of breast milk or pureed bananas and apricots," I added.
In that same 2016 column, I argued researchers should study both why many parents make poor food choices for their children and what fixes might improve those outcomes. Better educational interventions would certainly help address the problem. Instead, though, researchers continue to demonize food makers and ignore the fundamental role of parents in helping their kids develop healthy, lifelong eating habits.
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Come on, Baylen. Good humans are helpless victims of the world around them. They lack agency and autonomy, and suffer as bad humans force them to make bad choices. Only super-good humans can protect good humans, using their elitist mandate to save people from themselves, and achieve the righteous society that is good for all. The worst thing possible is to allow people to make their own decisions.
BTW, far too many Americans essentially if not eagerly agree with this.
Pretty good summary. Statists fear independent thinking above all else, because you can't just tell them what to do; you have to convince them by rational argument, and therein lies ruin for the elite. The worst thing about trying to argue for what you want is you might find the other side has the better argument, and your whole house of cards might come tumbling down, leaving you on the outside looking in while your now-betters tell *you* what to do.
So much easier to just pass laws and throw people in jail or line them up against the wall.
And teachers tell us they try to teach children how to think, not what to think.
Parents are free to let their kid watch food ads, choose what foods to buy, and choose what foods the parent will serve them at home. But don't blame food companies for parents' mealtime surrender. Blame parents.
Wait a minute: Isn't parents deciding kids' diet a form of "fat-shaming?" Will the fat, Rad-Fem, Curve Pride, Yaz-Gurl-Slay-Queen Karens call the CPS if they catch you trimming the fat and salt from your kid's diet?
Maybe. But you definitely should cut up your kid's dinner servings all the way through high school so your precious spawn is prepared for "independent" living in college. Spoon feeding at dinner is optional.
Oh, that's right. Especially if they attend college in England, where they barely trust adults with steak knives.
I remember feeding my two kids for $6 at Mcdonalds. Order a large combo for myself and two burgers for the kids. We all shared the fries and drink. Did this maybe once a week. The kids liked it. Good times 20 years ago. I assume parents still do this. I am too old for this now.
Yeah 3 people eating at McDonald's now is about $35
#TrillionairsForBidenflation
Inflation is profit!
Also racist. (But what isn't?)
#We'reAllTrillionairesNow
I got curious, and checked prices. Combo meals are about $7, and hamburger happy meals are about $3. So rbike could upgrade a bit and spend $13.
Where do you live? I can't get a combo for under $12 here.
Sorry, I double checked and it looks like my local combo prices (CO) range from $8.50 to $12.
In Alaska in the early Nineties, a Big Mac alone was $11!
Having a very little growing season and little grazing land and few parcels with individual private property rights, combined with having to ship things in and the equivalent of a State Universal Basic Income all tends to do that to prices.
Tricks are buying a small drink and stay for refills. 1 small combo which includes all you can drink when you stay. 2 small burgers - used to be ~$0.89 and a large fry for the kids to split. Don't spend the money on large drinks. The exercise walking back and forth to the fountain should not be an issue.
It would take a bunch of Big Gulp-sized cups to offset an $11 Big Mac in Alaska. If I lived there Iwould just stick with a George Forman Grill-made burger and a SodaStream drink.
The SodaStream machine, by the way, is excellent way to deat with rising soda prices and cut out sugar entirely!
I use SodaStream-made fizzy water with sliced ginger root to make a sugar-free ginger ale that will clean your sinuses right out! I also combine orange flavoring from Bubly with vanilla flavoring in my pantry to make an orange cream soda that is delicious! They also have SodaStream sweetened syrup for equivalents to regular sodas.
The reusable SodaStream bottle also saves untold thousands of plastic soda bottles from going into landfills and ocean junkpiles and the CO2 cartridges are recyclable, so SodaStream actually does something about the environment besides virtue-signalling.
SodaStream also had the brains to set up the recycling side-by-side with the product, so that could provide a lesson to Electric Vehicle makers who built and sold the EVs without setting up a network of charger stations.
Best of all, the SodaStream Company is a great example of the benefits of Capitalism to all in this crazy, Balkanized, Demon-Haunted, Wokeified world!
SodaStream is an Israeli-based firm of both Arabs and Jews at all levels of the company who just want to get through a damn day without killing each other, just trying to make a great product and hopefully turning a profit. This is the kind of firm that the Boycott Divest Sanction (BDS) movement shuns in their Anti-Israel, Anti-Jewish hatred. 'Guess that means no great homemade soda for them!
Fuck them, they had easy access to baby seal meat.
The cuter the animal is the tastier it is
Cattle, pigs, and chickens never looked real cute when grown-up, but still make great cuts of meat.
Also, you just know that a sealion would pester you from eating it or the seals. "Please show me the survey where seal meat is better..." 😉
When I was a teenager, I could get (and eat!) 2 Big Mac meals at McDonalds for under $10. It's amazing what you can take in when you're running around all the time and growing 3 inches a year.
10 years ago we didn't have Wendy's in St. Louis anymore because the local franchise owner went bankrupt. But my ex and I grew up on that because there was one right next to our high school. On a cross-country trip with my ex and her daughter, the girl was hungry and we spotted a Wendy's and just had to stop - she hadn't ever been to one.
She went in kicking and screaming - we literally had to drag her in - because we had passed both a Taco Bell and a McDonalds at that exit. Not a happy camper. She refused to order anything at all. So, I got an extra Frosty and extra fries and some of those $2 chicken nuggets - just in case.
When she saw her mother and I dipping our fries in the Frosty, she was hooked. Good thing I got that extra order.
Thank you for that story Walker Hayes.
LMAO I had to look that up, now I get it. Thought you were throwing shade for a moment.
Nope =)
And for others who may not have caught it, listen to Fancy Like where he has a line "she dips her fries in her frosty."
And my apologies for parodying your "Fancy Like" song by making "Nazi Like," but Misek deserves all the ridicule he gets. 🙂
It's hard to argue with your logic, so, I won't.
Ads from the mid-70's Burger, Fries, a Coke, and change back from $1.
Our Democratic allies continue to provide amazingly insightful analysis of a dystopian post-Roe future.
Would anyone be shocked if Republicans went after women’s right to vote next? I wouldn’t.
#SlipperySlopeIsNotAFallacyWhenDemocratsUseIt
Swalwell also predicted Clarence Thomas and Mitch McConnell would next try to outlaw interracial marriage.
#BecauseThatTotallyMakesSense
It totally does. Both want out of their marriages - this is all a long range Repiican plot!
You are mentally ill.
Did Swallwell threaten to use nukes on them?
Sorry, "Swalwell" with only 3 'l's....Though if he uses nukes at home and comes out of the Congressional Fallout Shelter too soon, he might grow another 'l'. 😉
You haven't provided any updates on Warren Buffet's wealth recently. How's that platform plank doing?
#TrillionairesForBidenflation
Wow reading those threads, progressives are more retarded than I ever thought.
Seriously.
From the linked twitter thread:
"Erika Morningstar
@EriMorningstar
Replying to
@ericswalwell
and
@RoArquette
Well hell, if the Supreme Court is going after reproductive care rights because “it’s not in the constitution”… then a woman’s right to vote could be next, anything “not in the constitution” could be next…"
Um. 19th Amendment, Brainiac.
Being retarded is no vice when shilling for the left.
You can't be a progressive unless you're evil, or dumb and easily tricked. That one seems to be the latter.
Why not both?
It's both.
Double-plus good.
They say the same thing about you.
Ideas!
So much civility. Always a victim. Who caused this! Who can we blame for your actions sarc??
Poor sarc never starts shit. Everyone else is the problem, he's just a meek little lamb.
What is wrong with what I said? It's the truth. Ohhhhh, that's what's wrong with it. You don't like the truth.
You use truth the same way jeff does.
I thought I was jeff. And Squirrely. Heck, I've been accused of being everyone on this board who claims to be a libertarian.
You are sqrsly yes. But you're just ignorant like jeff where truth is based on your feelings.
Your argument reads like a stupid person putting pieces of a smart person's argument together and then throwing it back like some profound statement that you don't even understand.
No it doesn't sqrsly.
But what about double plus ad quoque tu hominem, sarcasmic?
Or does that only count when someone else does it?
First I'd have to explain what tu quoque and ad hominem mean, which would be a waste of time because you are intellectually dishonest.
Did you figure out what they mean finally?
I've known for a long time. You ever figure it out? I'll give you an example of ad hominem. You're really good at it, and consistent too.
It's when you ignore what I say, say I'm wrong because of some personal attribute, and then smugly declare victory. And while you consider it to be a rational argument, it's actually a logical fallacy.
Except Jesse has never done that. Unlike you, he focuses on your statements. Whenever he's attacked you personally it's because you started it, and he usually quotes your old statements to do it.
It's time you stopped lying.
He takes things that are out of context or completely unrelated, deliberately misinterprets what I said, calls me names, and then declares everything else I said to be wrong.
Meanwhile the both of you deliberately ignore comments like this or that while calling me names.
You guys act like children. I really don't understand how you're not embarrassed.
Again, you're lying. This is why everyone hates you, sarc.
The one common denominator in all this "mean girls" and "bully" bullshit is you.
If you stopped trolling and shitposting maybe you wouldn't feel so picked on.
The one common denominator in all this "mean girls" and "bully" bullshit is you.
The common denominator is yourself and a handful of other individuals. When anyone like myself or Mike or jeff or Squirrelly or whomever makes a jest, you folks latch onto it like it was the only true statement we ever said. I don't know if it's because you're completely lacking in a sense of humor or because you're dishonest as fuck. I think it's the latter. Either way you guys ruin conversation after conversation with your childish "Whatabout this! Whatabout that! You're lying! This is what you really mean! You voted for Biden! You! You! You!"
I dont claim you are wrong because you are an idiot. I call you an idiot when you say something stupid. I have always clarified when you asked. I didn't state your argument was wrong because of who you are. I have personally attacked you for being a simpleton. Personal attacks are not af hominems only if used to dismiss your arguments. That is not what I do dummy.
See that last word, thats me personally attacking you because you are dumb.
And how is me linking to your past statements with links taking you out of context.
Just because you backtrack later when called put doesn't mean the original comment was put of context. In fact you state clearly you dont often make arguments.
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I rarely make arguments. What you link to are statements, not arguments.
So of you aren't making arguments then it a) isn't at hominem. And b) isn't out of context.
Fucking moron.
Auto correct can't figure out the ad hominem part. Damnit.
This is a great example.
You bring up something I said in the past to refute or dismiss what I said in the present. Usually out of context.
In this case if I am making an argument you can post that quote to dismiss my argument without having to discuss anything I actually said.
Thank you for proving my point.
"You bring up something I said in the past to refute or dismiss what I said in the present."
Yeah, that's kinda what quoting is all about, except it's not actually Jesse refuting your dishonest bullshit. It's your past statements.
You don't get to play shitposting troll one day, and then insist everyone treats you with Marquess of Queensberry rules the next.
Grow the fuck up and stop drunkposting, or fuck off.
Does rarely mean something different in your my first words toddler level dictionary? How is that out of context?? God damn youre an idiot.
"Rarely" doesn't mean "never." Buy a dictionary.
Saying "Hey JesseAz, you're an intellectually dishonest simpleton with no friends" isn't an ad hominem. That's just a run of the mill observation / insult.
Saying "Hey JesseAz, you're wrong because you're an intellectually dishonest simpleton with no friends" is an ad hominem.
See the difference?
Didn't think so.
Saying "Hey JesseAz, you're an intellectually dishonest simpleton with no friends" isn't an ad hominem. That's just a run of the mill observation / insult."
This is exactly what you've shouted "tu quoque" and "ad hominem" at for months, you hypocritical fuck.
No, it's not. The fact that you don't understand is fully expected.
Like I said, a waste of time to explain because you are unable or unwilling to understand.
Oh, I understand. I also understand that your flat-out fucking lying.
Your failure to understand something doesn't mean I'm a liar. It means your stupid.
*you're*
One constant in my life is that when someone calls me stupid or a liar, it's because they don't understand something that I said. That usually means one of two things. I didn't communicate effectively or the person is unable / unwilling to understand what I said. The former can be fixed. The latter cannot.
Conversation with you is the latter.
I'm intelligent and honest. I know it. So if you call me stupid or a liar, it's not because I'm stupid or lying.
Hey you figured out when I call you an idiot for being an idiot it isnt an ad hominem. Congrats buddy!
Youre free to prove your point where I've said you're wrong because "personal attack" by linking to me using it. You demand links (and then dismiss the citations), so please provide.
You demand links (and then dismiss the citations), so please provide.
I dismiss what you say because it is irrelevant 100% of the time.
I'm not going to catalog what you say because you are not important to me. I'm thinking about you right now. In a couple seconds I will stop thinking about you and only think about you again if I decide to read one of your comments.
Oh, and look here if you want to see a conversation about ideas.
I linkied.
Your turn. When did you discuss ideas. Ever.
The level of stupidity to say or be entertained by "sarc is talking about something that isn't ideas!" is mind bogglingly stupid.
Sure I don't always talk ideas all the time. Thing is, I never see you and your clique in conversations about ideas. Ever.
One constant in my life is that when someone calls me stupid or a liar, it's because they don't understand something that I said."
The actual constant in your life is that whenever someone called you stupid or a liar, it's because you were being stupid and a liar.
You're the architect of all your own problems, sarcasmic. Not your ex, not your boss, not all the other posters here, but you.
"Sure I don't always talk ideas all the time"
R Mac, can you post the quote again where this bullshit artist insists he only ever talks about ideas?
The primary constant of sarcs life is self delusion.
The actual constant in your life is that whenever someone called you stupid or a liar, it's because you were being stupid and a liar.
When someone doesn't understand what I'm saying it's not because I'm the stupid one. It's easy to understand stupid.
We understand exactly what you were saying, sarc, and it was stupid.
Like I said. Waste of time.
Oh, I know exactly what they mean, but your drunken ass sure as hell doesn't.
I also know that you've been an enormous hypocrite when trying to use those terms.
Sure eh. Whatever you say hoser.
That's right. Run away.
How is your mouse doing? Has it outgrown its bottle yet?
Is that some sort of come on? I'm not a girl, sarc, and you've got Dee.
You're Canadian and you've never seen the McKenzie brothers' documentary "Strange Brew"?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Yes, we all understand obscure references to a movie that played when I was two.
Ain't my fault you don't understand pop culture.
40 year old references are no longer pop culture. Holy fuck.
If it happened before the internet it didn't happen!
That's a huge problem in this country. We don't have a cultural identity. Sometimes I wish you weren't such a reflexively contrarian asshole. You could learn a few things from me. But you instead stick your fingers in your ears and yell at the top of your lungs.
Look up what pop culture refers to. God damn man. You claim you're intelligent but you continue to prove yourself fucking dumb.
Be fair. Progressives have moved beyond the Constitution.
I wish they would. You know, somewhere outside the Constitution's jurisdiction. Far far away.
That is sadly correct. They've been working steadily for over a century to destroy checks and balances, and to concentrate power into an unaccountable executive bureaucracy. It's because, like Communists, they don't believe that there's some immutable traits shared by all of us called human nature. No, they're 100% in the nurture camp. This is why they trust government. They do not accept that people are self-interested creatures who seek to keep and expand what we have. Well, they understand that with regards to wealth and hate wealthy people for it, but they absolutely refuse to make that same connection with power. And they'll fight anyone who suggests it. Because it completely destroys their entire world view of government of men being an infallible god.
I was thinking the drug war to die franchise blacks, when the congressional black caucus was the group pushing to ramp up the drug penalties starting in the 80s
I like that you're not even trying to wear the mask anymore. Quite upset over the ruling are ya?
It’s satire.
Its retarded.
Cope, seethe, and dilate.
We don't like mask mandates. Do you even libertarian?
Odd when shrike talks about others wearing masks on his socks.
Shrike, is that you?
I’m so happy that as a a.) gay, b.) Black and c.) GOPProud like Caitlin and Milo man that people like you and I belong to the GOP-wing of the libertarian party. I mean, like, 20 years ago libertarians would have told these pilgrims and preachers in the GOP to go fuck themselves, but not now. I’ve been repeatedly told that I can’t meme, but I think I may have the knack for it now
#libertarians_for_limited_governmrnt_except_where_those_laws_pertain_to_icky_and_smelly_vaginas
Better?
No. Still pretty weak sauce, Shrike.
He's really boring, isn't he? At least Tony can be entertaining.
But I have to wonder if people who feel compelled to post with multiple sock puppets also masturbate like that.
Knowing shrike they use baby socks.
I am shocked to see a libritarian websight employ a writer that stresses individual responsibility. As I have learned from last week's deluge of abortion articles, it's the governments job to protect us from our own bad choices
Farmers For Trump: "I'd like to use state force to restrict women's choices because the state shouldn't protect people from their bad choices!"
Farmers don't need uppity women, they need kids to work the fields!
Government for Biden: “The best freedom is freedom from choices… except abortion!”
Left Shits: "The only freedom you have is whether to kill your unborn kid!"
Leftists don't need uppity citizens, they need compliant tax slaves!
Shrike thinks that it is 120 years ago and that non-hobby farms aren't multi-million dollar enterprises that you need degrees and training in agronomics, veterinary medicine, mechanics, etc. to manage.
Big farms can have bigger annual budgets than a lot of medium size corporations. Harvesters are often autonomous nowadays and cost millions of dollars, farm chemicals are applied by aircraft and drones, animals are chipped and tracked by computers, cows have been milked by robots for decades now.
Meanwhile, Shrike and his pals think they're technologically sophisticated because they have an iPhone.
I really enjoy the urban liberal contempt for farmers. I think that it will serve them well.
Which is the correct Progressive understanding of farming:
A) The future to feed mankind is boutique artisan organic farming.
B) Any idiot can farm, and farmers are all mouth-breathing MAGA rubes.
C) If we have enough immigrants farming just happens.
D) What does farming have to do with food supply?
E) All of the above.
F) None of the above. Food comes from grocery stores. Duhh
"Peaches come from a can.
They were put there by a man,
In a factory downtown."
--The Presidents of The United States of America (Both the band and literally.)
Millions of peaches
Peaches for me
Millions of peaches
Peaches for free
They've got this romantic notion of family farms providing local food and everyone harmoniously stocking up at the outdoor market. They don't understand that the fact that only 2% of the population efficiently raising food leaves 98% to do other stuff.
In that regard they're not much different from conservatives who lament the loss of mindless factory work to China. They don't understand that, like farming, there's a shitload of manufacturing happening in this country. Like farming, it's not labor intensive anymore.
They both lament the loss of jobs, not realizing that thanks to technology and automation we need fewer people to produce more stuff.
"They don't understand that the fact that only 2% of the population efficiently raising food leaves 98% to do other stuff"
Also, that this is exactly the only thing that makes modern society possible. This is the ability to increase specialization. This is how we have universities and scientists and dumbass TV hosts. This is why we can have things like taxi drivers or people who are art experts.
Thing is, both political tribes are equally romantic and economically ignorant. I expect that from the left. The willful economic ignorance that has infected the right makes me kinda sad.
I don't know if I agree completely, in this context.
The idea that you can go be self-sufficient and live off the land, while perhaps romantic, is actually possible. It's Little House on the Prairie. People actually do this still today.
The idea that you can have an opulent urban lifestyle without manual labor or having to deal with pesky farmers or working people is both ignorant and impossible. It's straight out of dystopian fiction. It's Hunger Games.
Hm. I need to think about this before responding.
The idea that you can go be self-sufficient and live off the land, while perhaps romantic, is actually possible.
It's also called poverty. Seriously. Show me someone who lives like that who isn't some hippie with rich parents and they'll tell you it sucks.
The idea that you can have an opulent urban lifestyle without manual labor or having to deal with pesky farmers or working people is both ignorant and impossible.
I dunno. You just don't deal with them directly. When was the last time you went to the farmers' market or a flea market? That's dealing directly. We have middlemen. Grocery stores. Amazon.
So after thinking about it can't say I agree with you.
A Farmer's market? 7 hours ago. We have them on Wednesdays and Saturdays. It's St. Louis, so both of them are at or near breweries, but, yeah. I can and do buy direct, when I don't grow my own. I have a pretty substantial backyard garden.
I live in a more urban area now, but I grew up out in the country in rural Missouri. We didn't run a commercial farm or anything but we had livestock and about 70 acres of fields. We butchered a steer every couple of years and had a couple dozen chickens for eggs and meat, and a fishing pond.
I've designed several off-grid houses for people who are into that. Sometimes they are yuppies who are ecologically minded, sometimes they are people who live in an area where it's a better idea than getting the local utilities to run to their property. Some are in the city, most are rural. I wouldn't consider any of them poor (not if they can afford my services). Some are probably MAGA-hat wearing conspiracy theorists, but, it doesn't matter to me, if they have a dream and I can help. (and they can pay)
Cool. Seriously. Cool.
The technology of today such as Roto-Tillers, hydroponics, Generac Generators, as well as canning supplies, air fryers that dehydrate, rice cookers that also steam and make yogurt, and the ever-wonderful SodaStream all make it possible to disengage from fast-food and even grocery stores to a great degree.
I've almost completely stopped buying sodas thanks to SodaStream. I've made quarts upon qurts of yogurt from home and the culture does almost all of the work. I've grown months worth of vegetables in small backyard gardens in the past and herbs in my apartment. Others with more could do it even better.
"Poverty" is a relative term here. I'd say self-sufficiency the modern way is very wealthy in both food and skills.
Kill yourself before we impregnate you and force you to carry that evil spawn full term.
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Don't worry kids are now more anxious more depressed committing suicide at increased rates and testing lower. The progressive utopia is close
This is why we spend more per Capita than most other countries yet continue to have poorer results (that and the poor state of our schools of education which don't stress actual fluency in the subject you want to teach but stress educational theory). It's also why university costs have gone through the roof.
Why do those companies pay for that marketing if it has no effect?
“Has effect” and “makes decisions for children” are not equal.
Yeah. So what?
I mean, we have to have laws lest a school teacher (horrors!) mention a gay couple in a story because that will make the kids gay ('groom' them, amirite?) but millions of dollars of marketing, pfft, it doesn't *make* anyone do anything!
If it makes you feel better: teachers are still banned from leading prayer in school.
"mention a gay couple in a story"
That isn't what the law is about and that's not what you groomers were doing. Time to stop lying.
It is amazing watching how stupid liberals like shrike are. Even when told that the books in question. The NYT did a story on these books and refused to publish the pictures themselves, relying on the artists pictures from a different book. School boards have banned parents from reading select passages at meetings in case kids are listening.
Why does liberalism require such repetitive lies? Is that how weak your views actually are?
"Is that how weak your views actually are?"
Yes. They know that they'd lose the second they were honest about them.
If companies employ that marketing knowing that it works, then their pleading that "the parents should have stopped me!" does not strike me as absolution.
“Marketing works” when it informs consumers of a product. “Parents shouldn’t let their children make their own diet choices unguided” is actually correct.
But that's just too hard.
Marketing "works" in the sense that it puts a company's products on a parent's radar, which increases the likelihood that the parent will buy that product over a competitor's. The parent makes the ultimate decision whether to buy any product at all, not just the one advertised.
To progressive assholes they are exactly the same. All information is propaganda, and only the right flavor of government is allowed to manipulate people. For their own good.
Further, there is a reason that advertising stimulates the emotional/instinctual/impulsive brain and not the rational brain. The part of our brain that we share with animals and that is in fact more powerful than our frontal lobe precisely because we are animals.
Advertisers have known exactly and scientifically how to manipulate their messaging in that way ever since Edward Bernays and Lucky Strike got women to smoke cigarettes in the 1920's. And that manipulation has gotten even subtle and effective the more we have learned about our brain - eg 'psychographics' and VALS is directly an understanding of the psychological 'hierarchy of needs'
Nothing is as delusional as the notion that humans are all Spock if you scratch the surface. 20th century should have disabused us of that notion but apparently it didn't.
Subliminal messagi g has been proven false, since at least the early 90s
It's not subliminal at all. It is very overt messaging to trigger feelings and impulses and instincts. Cereal ads aimed at moms that will say ' it's healthy but even your kids will like it'.
That's crap. It's not healthy at all except to compare it to Sugar Frosting Bombs. But hey at least the kids will shut up and eat it - unlike the brand that 'tastes like cardboard and has veggies rather than sugar so you know it's healthy'
Like the marketing on masks JFree?
That sort of manipulation is NBD to JFree.
"Sure the mRNA shots don't work on any variant but the very first and you're still going to get covid, but they're mandatory and you need five of them because vAcCinEs w0rK you filthy denier. Science!Science!Science!Science!"
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1522942743970033665?t=ClHwQ7ddttpRrRI73xcmsw&s=19
This is how the Left thinks. “We can’t refute the film so let’s try and make sure no one sees it. This way our version of the story goes unexamined and unchallenged. This way our lies can live on!”
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Well, if Alex Jones' preferred platform says it, and felon D'Souza says it, it must be true!
Why are you such a willing tool?
I hear from the most enlightened philosophers that the narrative you choose is the best one.
Paid shills probably shouldn't be calling other people "tools", Shrike.
No wonder you parrot D’Souza’s stupid bullshit.
ML the aspie incel
Hey you ban-evading, antisemitic, piece-of-shit. Doxxed anymore widows lately?
At least I’m not a compulsive liar like you.
You cited me criticizing Israel and criticizing Mormon’s for being antisemitic as evidence I’m antisemitic.
I asked my Jewish friend and they said equating Israel to Judiasim is bigoted. They also said your Soros and Qanon conspiracy theories are just recycled “Jews run the world” shit.
Fuck off you lying bigot.
If you need to mention 'my Jewish friend,' then you are likely an anti-Semite, beyond your history of bigotry here. As for any 'Soros conspiracy' being recycled 'Jews running the world,' you and you 'friend are idiots. Soros' shitty foundation has a detrimental impact on low income and other disadvantaged people wherever it operates. Witness the current crime wave, in no small part due to 'catch and release' and other lenient policies enacted by Soros-backed DAs and AGs. As your pathetically ignorant in-group is so fond of saying, educate yourself.
I’m antisemitic because I have Jewish friends? Or because asking someone who’s Jewish if they think something is antisemitic or not?
You people are so stupid.
You're antisemitic because you're an antisemite, and your "Jewish friend" is fictional.
ML the lying aspie incel CHILD RAPIST!!!
I have just as much evidence that you’re a child rapist that you have that I’m an antisemite.
Lying fascist waste of life
Unlike the Mormons, who round people like you up and put them in abusive institutions and camps, I believe in treating neurodiverse folks like you as people.
Your Asperger’s doesn’t excuse you being a horrible human being.
ML the lying aspie incel
Like the Japanese and the Tuskegee Experiments? Oh wait, that was you Democrats.
That was southern conservatives who did Tuskegee. They now overwhelmingly vote GOP.
GOP CA Governor(future SCOTUS CJ) Earl Warren played a huge role in Japanese internment. Plenty of blame to go around on that one.
ML the lying aspie incel
I’m guessing that’s KAR?
Too bad he hasn’t been Rittenhoused by an upstanding Mormon yet.
Too bad you weren’t aborted
Fart
Excuse me
It's telling that you are defending the idea of silencing someone based on their political leanings. I know someone else who did the same. He wore glasses, had a moustache, dressed in black, wore nifty runes on his collar.
Mormons do it too
Overweight, unhealthy people raise overweight, unhealthy kids. It’s that simple. You eat like your parents eat. When was the last time you saw an obese child with fit parents? The problem is not that kids want garbage food, it’s that the adults in their lives do and they pass on their bad habits. I’m not sure how advertising affects that.
Time for some parenthood planning, amirite?
No more dipping fries in whipped ice cream!
Cheap industrial food is almost always unhealthy. Healthy costs money. Filler and garbage doesn't. Which do you think is more profitable to produce? Why do you think grains are the base of the food pyramid even though their most obvious purpose is to quickly fatten livestock cheaply?
Cheap is gonna be what the lower income are limited to. So unless they have access to self-grown, they are trapped with whatever is manufactured - and sold in the food desert where they live.
And even the high income with access to doctors or other people who know about nutrition/health and aren't simultaneously trying to sell Sugar Frosted Sugar are more trapped than you think.
It's why roughly 35% of the population is obese, 45% is overweight and only 20% is what used to be called 'normal/recommended' just 40 or so years ago. Americans (and increasingly the entire West) don't even know what normal is anymore
For a hilarious example of this, go back and watch Full Metal Jacket and see how relentless they are to the 'fattie'.
Now realize that fattie would be nearly skinny today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4eMhddTPg4
If only the peasants would give up food they like (and like to buy), and instead learn to forage for wild greens and roots.
It's amazing that people blame the food companies, when if you look at the rise in obesity it strongly correlates to the first FDA food recommendations and federal oversight of schools and school lunches.
It also correlates strongly with decrease in manufacturing and labor intensive jobs in the US.
It correlates with women going into the workforce in large numbers - and hence industrial pre-prepared food (or their bought govt agencies) filling the information vacuum about what to eat.
Actually I see that a lot. I'm obese, though my parents were not. I have obese friends whose parents were fine. But most of the abnormal weight gain takes place after childhood. If you meant "kids" in the sense of those who are still children, I agree with you, but if you just mean offspring, you're very wrong.
I ate "like" my parents ate, just more of it. Nothing qualitative explains my obesity, just total consumption amount of very good, nutritious food.
""Children and adolescents are particularly vulnerable to the effects of food marketing given their immature cognitive and emotional development, peer-group influence, and high exposure," the study argues."
So ... Let's put Disney and the DNC in charge of telling kids about sex and which body parts to amputate.
It's not even really about children. These "children's studies" are just the camel's nose under the tent for regulating adult activity.
And since childhood lasts at least until 21 (given the screaming about vulnerable college students), its a good thing we don't let such easily manipulated citizens in the voting booth.
It's time to bring back Michelle Obama's "Let's Move!" campaign.
Do we get to suggest where people move to?
How about Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" to dessert campaign?
"For their research, the authors searched through more than twenty scholarly databases to identify relevant studies published between January 2009 and March 2020. They identified dozens of relevant existing articles, which comprised the research cited in their meta-analysis."
So basically they did no real research on their own, they just looked up how many others did and their results. Sounds typical these days. Sounds a lot like the mask research that was done and touted by the MSM.
A little food for thought. When I was in college (2002-2007) I did a research paper. Right before I turned it in a new source of information came on line. My paper was on aviation safety and the NTSB has just put their accident report library on the internet. I rewrote my paper to take advantage of it. When I turned it in I was told that I didn't have enough sources. I was required to have seven sources. I used an interview with an airline pilot and six NTSB reports. The Professor said that the NTSB only counted as one source, what happened to the sources that I had shown him earlier? We finally came to an agreement to count each report as a separate source. At the time Newsweek, US News and World Report and Aviation Week, quoting one NTSB report was counted as three sources. How many of the "studies" that they used did the same thing as they did?
One feature of this kind of "study" is that you can pick the result by picking which studies to include and which to exclude. Very handy for these clowns.
It's called a meta-analysis. Since each individual study is biased by the goals and funding and preconceptions of the authors, looking at a variety of studies can average things out and point closer to the truth.
Except that it's racist:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2022/05/05/the-ethical-adoption-of-ai-in-healthcare-requires-a-global-effort-now-more-than-ever/?sh=1d8f3d4e612a
At first glance, this is fantastic. Artificial intelligence offers huge promise to detect illness, discover new treatments and improve health systems, but the development of these technologies is underpinned by data, and data isn’t always neutral or representative. Indeed, it’s sadly all too clear that women and minority groups are underrepresented in studies and, sadly, are more likely to experience overlooked side effects or negative outcomes as a result. If we feed even the most advanced AI programs these same lopsided datasets, these health inequalities will continue to exist.
Meta studies can be good, but they need to definitively state how studies were included and rejected. They also need a good explanation of why they chose these criteria, which itself should be research based. When evaluating meta studies you should always read the selection criteria.
OK, the WHO and the AMA working together to tell me what to do?
No.
Hell No!
I want to win the lottery and fund a study on when and where these fascists retain the slightest bit of authority in the minds of thinking humans.
Oh, wait. No need for the study, no thinking human believes either one.
One thing I do remember from having young kids is that we bought what they would eat. It may surprise the AMA, but an eaten pizza provides more nutrition than broccoli in the trash can.
Your kid was G.H.W. Bush? Seriously, broccoli is very tasty...when smothered with melted cheese and topped with toasted bread crumbs.
Lemon-Pepper seasoning makes it good steamed, as does vinagrette salad dressing when raw. Made into a casserole, broccoli is simply scrumptious!
My favorite "blame the food companies" moment was when people tried to blame Coca-Cola for the obesity epidemic in the 1990s. Even though Coca-Cola had been around for 100 years.
Damn the corporations for selling what people want to buy (with their own money)!
That's nearly always the story when a product or service has adverse consequences. Once in a while they put out a product that the consumers can't tell is defective; only sometimes does the maker reasonably have a chance to find that out first. The rest of the time, it's suppliers supplying just about exactly what buyers prefer, within the realm of feasibility. But denying that is the source of the canard that there's a phenomenon called "addiction" that deserves to even have a name, when it's just a matter of people's revealing their preferences by their actions.
I blame the regulators. Had 5hey not made coke take out the cocaine, their customers would continue to move more
It wouod be a staple drink at that restaurant called The Needle And The Spoon.
I have no doubt - food companies ARE responsible for the increased obesity since 1980 or so when it began to really ramp.
Not so much because food companies started pushing crap disguised as food then. But because women started working inthe workplace around then and stopped viewing their self-worth as based on what they did in the kitchen. Food companies merely filled the vacuum of info about food. And prepared foods (the inside aisles of the supermarket) and food prepared outside the home became what people eat.
Well, it was the feminists that caused it then, not the food companies.
There's plenty of ways to prepare a meal and work. Crockpots, pressure cookers, Rachel Ray made a whole career off of quick freshly prepared foods.
You know what else happened in the late 1970s early 1980s? The government began telling people what they should and shouldn't eat (and for it exactly wrong but still push basically the same recommendations for reasons), the government began mandating what was in school lunches, and began federalizing education (which led to less PE and recess time). Also, we saw a rapid shift from manual labor towards office style jobs. But you're right it was totally the food companies. Not the decrease in activity paired with extremely poor food recommendations by the government (and forced implementation of these recommendations via the school lunch program, which the government also took over at the time, and indoctrinated youths with through teaching). No, that couldn't have anything to do with it.
But the reality is that manual labor families are more obese than office families.
Clearly it is time for social media to ban all food companies for misinformation.
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law.
I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law.
If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect.
Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people.
{snicker} Right on, Elon! I’m so glad that you as a free speech champion realize that free speech should be subject to the whims of the people. Wow! So transgressive! I’m glad to know that you are a fellow African-American like me.
We all realize you're deliberately misconstruing his statement, Shrike.
Conflating his statement that 'if people want less free speech the government will provide it', with 'The people determine what is free speech'.
You're not tricking anyone. You're too stupid for this.
That’s like the dumbest shit ever.
https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1522563650724282368?t=Vy0d2LD0OcpG6zdiHamxsA&s=19
BREAKING: A massive PR firm that represents high-profile corporations like @CocaCola, @Netflix, & @Starbucks is privately advising its clients to avoid commenting on abortion rights, according to an internal email obtained by
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Because the pushback on that would be nuclear. Progs are loud and visible, but normal people vote with their wallets.
And normal people have thicker wallets than the average blue-hair barista.
It's pretty sad that high-profile corporations need to hire a massive PR firm to tell them this.
I remember when it was common sense to appeal to as many customers as possible by keeping your politics quiet. Now, corporations need to hire consultants to tell them that?
https://twitter.com/FitzwaterMegan/status/1522722124296773638?t=aMAifJd4eXuouoqaLf6erQ&s=19
When I had Covid, I messaged my doctor and asked for breathing treatments (I also have asthma, btw), and he messaged back and told me that breathing treatments are "prohibited".
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https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1523008997174951936?t=av1MjmJchjHzwbepcTF0ZQ&s=19
The Current Thing is always "reflexive."
Reflexivity is the model put forth by George Soros for how to make things "true" by making lots of people believe they're true.
Reflexivity is named explicitly as the epistemology of "transformative" work (late neo-Marxism).
The easiest example of a reflexive statement is "this is a revolutionary moment." It's neither true nor false but becomes true or false based on whether enough people believe it.
"Covid-19 is a narrow window of opportunity to reset the world and transform our system" is another.
Reflexive "truth" isn't truth that corresponds to reality until later, looking back, if and only if it works. It's a matter of social formations. Where does that idea come from? Hegel and Marx.
Wherein Soros describes what his neo-Marxist method really is about.
But, of course, since Hegel and Marx, the Left has all been alchemical. Their "philosophy" is a dialectical synthesis of Gnosticism and Hermetic belief (cult alchemy) on a Christian/anti-Christ framework.
Hegel is the father of what I call "Scientific Gnosticism," which is using the dialectic as a method that starts with hammering together Gnosticism and Hermetic alchemy in a Christian Trinitarian alembic and calling it "Science" to steal the authority of the Enlightenment.
Marx "stood Hegel on his head" mostly by destroying the Christian alembic and reformulating the Scientific Gnosticism magic mess with Man as his own God. Same thing otherwise, really. So, Marx is the father of what I call Dialectical Leftism.
When all this left the Modernist Era and entered Postmodernity, we see it reformulated again, apparently into reflexive social alchemy. Soros played off this and built his worldview around it, and so did the critical constructivist Woke Marxists he allies with.
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Reflexivity is the model put forth by George Soros for how to make things "true" by making lots of people believe they're true.
This must be why shills like Shrike keep posting the same lies about inflation and oil production over and over again, and why Jeffy keeps pretending that CRT is just about teaching history.
The Blagden quote seems applicable as to why "If a lie is only printed often enough, it becomes a quasi-truth, and if such a truth is repeated often enough, it becomes an article of belief, a dogma, and men will die for it".
Isn't this like the "reflexive" truth that came with Joseph Goebbels "Big Lie," which was also embraced by Pravda and Tass and also informed Putin?
And didn't Putin also embrace Hegel and Marx too? And isn't Putin hammering all this together with Patriarch Kirill's Orthodox Christianity to appeal to Russian Traditionalists and to tie in with Aleksandr Dugin's ideal of Greater Eurasian Empire?
And isn't it Putins Hegelian/Marxist/Nazi/Duginist/Eurasianist fever dreams what serves as agitprop for Putin's invasion, enslavement, and massacre of Ukraine?
You just confessed your boss' whole way of thinking!
Fuck Off, Dugin Hooligan!
https://twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1523008953403285505?t=_3dcw6Mp8yPaXKe3VGv7gQ&s=19
Leftists will blame student debt on banks, capitalism, and even sexism, but not the schools that actually charged them...
I'm not sure if that counts as Stockholm syndrome or what but congrats universities, you've got quite the hustle going.
Just like you blame Putin's atrocities on his European neighbors bu8lding up defenses against Greater Eurasian Empire?
Fuck Off, Dugin Hooligan!
https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1522957822304075776?t=u-64iUrIUUERod6EIg43dQ&s=19
SCOOP: A Texas public school principal notified "all employees [that they] will be expected [by the superintendent] to vote for this Bond" to increase school funding by $992 million and that "Central Office will be monitoring"
I've obtained whistleblower documents
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https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1522642244720766976?t=Mnz_8ir8XEld_1ins_eLPA&s=19
“A lot of them [students] are queer because I am queer” - 4th grade teacher
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Those are some seriously crazy eyes.
This woman couldn't sell Fuller Brushes, let alone Queerness, not that Queerness can be 'sold' anyway. I say 'Fake News!'
Oh, and Fuck Off, Dugin Hooligan!
https://twitter.com/ramshaofficial/status/1522667632218054656?t=WWP75J_DMnnpDY34lHMc1g&s=19
I’m vaccinated, but far too many people l know are complaining about side effects from the vaccine.
Also, just an hour ago, my perfectly healthy, 30 year old friend collapsed and died of a heart attack.
What the fuck is going on?
Honestly, everyone knows I’ve been pro vaccine and even encouraged people to get vaxxed but at this point, I will stop.
I know that Covid is equally dangerous. However, people need to do a cost-benefit analysis if they decide to get the vaccine.
One of my friends got severe tinnitus after the vaccine, she had to quit her job. Others have inconsistent periods and someone close to me had such severe chest pains that they had to call an ambulance.
It’s reasonable that there needs to be an inquiry in to the side effects.
Honest question: before Covid, was it normal to hear of numerous people dying of heart attacks the way we do now?
And please don’t tell me that young people having heart attacks is “normal”.
An individual cost/benefit analysis for personal health decisions? That's insane!
That must've been a terrible shock to you. I've been bothered that so many of my friends in the past year died, and one 42 YO with no apparent risk factors had a stroke (but is doing OK). But when a 30 YO friend drops dead, I can hardly imagine. Glad you're still together enough to comment here.
I'm just quoting the tweet, but thanks for your wishes. I hope your friend recovers fully.
Uh, yeah, while it is less frequent with younger people, it is both possible and normal, with or without COVID-19 vaccine.
Oh, and Fuck Off, Dugin Hooligan!
People want someone to lift from them the burden of saying "no" to someone, and this is a cause of a lot more problems in society than just this bit about children's eating. It's responsible for a lot of the forced redistribution in the world, a result of people not wanting to refuse beggars. It's responsible for various paternalistic policies, including many that may not seem paternalist but are once you look at them, at least in my analysis. It's responsible for forced treatment or at least confinement of crazy people. It's largely responsible for foreign policy meddling.
It's largely responsible for immigration restrictions.
Oregon law requires menstrual products in boys' bathrooms
"[The Menstrual Dignity Act] affirms the right to menstrual dignity for transgender, intersex, nonbinary, and two spirit students by addressing the challenges that some students have managing menstruation while minimizing negative attention that could put them at risk of harm and navigating experiences of gender
dysphoria during menstruation.”
Happy Mother's Day, folks!
If the consumption of fast food is the health hazard that the authoritarian state thinks it is, then don't regulate the advertising. Outlaw the sale of the food items themselves. Congress can't do it, but they can prohibit the interstate transportation of the ingredients that are intended to be used to fatten up our kids and cause heart attacks and diabetes among our adults. We obviously cannot make intelligent choices about their own bodies! States could limit the danger to our kids by not allowing a Mickey D's or other fast food joint within 1,000 yards of a school or playground, or any other place where the crumb snatchers congregate. We could then institute criminal penalties for the unlawful possession or distribution of a burger, fries or a soft drink. We need more government interference in our lives, don't we?
This will be the argument as soon as the public is paying for your health care.
If they didn't outlaw cigarets but adopted mandatory warning labels, then I'd expect about the same treatment for other products.
Then fast-food really would be garbage and we really would be "eating bugs." And Godfather's Pizza would aquire a whole new meaning.
https://twitter.com/DouglasKBlair/status/1523095574156742657?t=JxARJt_zPbTWlqEo3eXWRg&s=19
The energy is markedly more negative outside Kavanaugh’s house. The anger has become much more palpable than outside any other justices’ house.
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CNN using an image of the Branch Davidian compound burning and trying to pass it off as Ukraine...
https://twitter.com/KemahTXKid/status/1523135080201613312?t=Ds20X9oFbQCvIeTi2nywSg&s=19
[Headline: Russian military forces set fire to compound outside Kiev occupied by women and children, burning them alive]
When companies are givin leway to put anything they dont want off their label, they kind of do. There's all sorts of work arounds. Take sweetened condensed milk for example. Have it or any product that contains it and you'll develop hemroids inside the first month of use. It's poisoned by some kind of preservative they dont haveto put on the label. It's poisoned all over the world so far i can figure. Other products can change one or two things and not label them either. After that, they can just put their labels in unreadable fine print!
It's madness.