Vivek Murthy's Demand for Data on COVID 'Misinformation' Is Part of a Creepy Crusade to Suppress Dissent
The surgeon general's definition of misinformation includes statements that are arguably or verifiably true.
Last July, Surgeon General Vivek Murthy issued an advisory that called for a "whole-of-society" effort to combat the "urgent threat to public health" posed by "health misinformation." Today Murthy asked tech companies to do their part by turning over data on "COVID-19 misinformation," including its sources and its propagation through search engines, social media platforms, instant messaging services, and e-commerce sites, by May 2.
While Murthy himself has no power to compel disclosure of that information, the companies have strong incentives to cooperate, since the Biden administration can make life difficult for them by filing lawsuits, writing regulations, and supporting new legislation. President Joe Biden has endorsed the campaign to suppress "misinformation," going so far as to accuse social media platforms of "killing people" by allowing the spread of anti-vaccine messages. Murthy's advisory, which defines misinformation to include statements that he deems "misleading" even when they are arguably or verifiably true, says the battle against it might include "appropriate legal and regulatory measures."
All of this is more than a little creepy in a country where people have a constitutional right to express their opinions, even when they are outlandish and ill-founded. It is especially chilling given the administration's highly elastic definition of misinformation, which includes criticism of controversial pronouncements by agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The CDC itself has a long track record of misrepresenting scientific evidence and misleading the public.
"Defining 'misinformation' is a challenging task, and any definition has limitations," Murthy concedes in his advisory. "One key issue is whether there can be an objective benchmark for whether something qualifies as misinformation. Some researchers argue that for something to be considered misinformation, it has to go against 'scientific consensus.' Others consider misinformation to be information that is contrary to the 'best available evidence.' Both approaches recognize that what counts as misinformation can change over time with new evidence and scientific consensus. This Advisory prefers the 'best available evidence' benchmark since claims can be highly misleading and harmful even if the science on an issue isn't yet settled."
If you say something that goes against the "best available evidence" as determined by government officials, in other words, you are spreading "misinformation," which poses such a grave threat that all rational Americans should be united in opposing it. What does that mean in practice?
Murthy's office says "misinformation has caused confusion and led people to decline COVID-19 vaccines, reject public health measures such as masking and physical distancing, and use unproven treatments." It therefore includes skepticism about the value of general masking and criticism of the CDC's recently reversed recommendation that children as young as 2 be forced to wear masks in schools and day care centers, regardless of local COVID-19 trends.
Remember that "what counts as misinformation can change over time." So if you questioned the evidence in favor of general masking during the first few months of the pandemic, that was not misinformation, because it was consistent with the CDC's position at the time. It was also consistent with advice from Murthy's predecessor as surgeon general, Jerome Adams, who in February 2020 declared that masks "are NOT effective in preventing [the] general public from catching" COVID-19. But after the CDC began recommending general masking on April 4, 2020, saying anything like that suddenly became misinformation.
That September, then–CDC Director Robert Redfield declared, surely based on the "best available evidence," that face masks were "the most important, powerful public health tool we have." He averred that masks were more effective as a safeguard against COVID-19 than vaccines would prove to be. If you doubted Redfield's claims, according to Murthy, you were aggravating an "urgent threat to public health."
Last fall, Redfield's successor, Rochelle Walensky, said wearing a mask "reduc[es] your chance of infection by more than 80 percent." Although the CDC was unable to back up that startling claim, Walensky insisted "the evidence is clear." So if you thought otherwise and said so, you were part of the problem that Murthy is determined to tackle.
Last August, in a move that was consistent with Murthy's demands, YouTube suspended Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) for propagating COVID-19 misinformation by saying "most of the masks that you can get over the counter" have "no value." While N95 respirators are effective at curtailing virus transmission, Paul said, commonly used cloth masks are not. Five months later, the CDC largely agreed with Paul, saying "properly fitted respirators provide the highest level of protection," while "loosely woven cloth products provide the least protection." By Murthy's reckoning, the CDC's blessing transformed misinformation into scientifically valid advice.
Last month, the CDC nevertheless claimed a study had shown that wearing a cloth mask "lowered the odds of testing positive" by 56 percent. As the agency acknowledged in a tiny footnote, that result was not statistically significant. And while the associations between infection risk and reported use of surgical masks or N95s were statistically significant, serious methodological problems made the CDC's causal conclusions highly dubious. But if you noted those weaknesses, you were contradicting the CDC, which by Murthy's lights made you a public enemy.
For more than a year, Walensky publicly insisted that the scientific case for school mask mandates was ironclad, even after critics repeatedly pointed out the limitations of the studies she was citing. Privately, she conceded that the studies "all have limitations…because we are not randomizing schools." In other words, the failure to control for potentially important confounding variables such as vaccination rates and other COVID-19 safeguards made it impossible to draw firm conclusions about the effectiveness of school mask mandates. But since the CDC's public stance was ostensibly based on the "best available evidence," making that point was "misleading," according to Murthy's definition.
Likewise the argument that "universal masking" in K–12 schools was difficult to justify in light of the tiny risks that children face from COVID-19. Yet when the CDC stopped recommending that policy last week, it emphasized the same point. Once again, the skepticism that might have been cause for warning labels, blocking, or suspension on social media platforms taking their cues from Murthy suddenly became the "scientific consensus."
When it comes to vaccination, the CDC rightly rebuts patently absurd claims about microchips, sterility, and genetic modification. But the "myths" it identifies also include the belief that "the natural immunity I get from being sick with COVID-19 is better than the immunity I get from COVID-19 vaccination." That is not true, the CDC says, because "getting a COVID-19 vaccination is a safer and more dependable way to build immunity to COVID-19 than getting sick with COVID-19."
While that's a sensible position, there still should be room for debate about how the protection offered by natural immunity compares to the protection offered by vaccination. According to a January 28 report in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Report, for example, natural immunity reduced the risk of infection by the delta variant much more than vaccination did among patients in New York and California.
Such findings are obviously relevant to questions such as whether people who have recovered from COVID-19 should be exempt from vaccine mandates or whether they should be treated the same as vaccinated people in settings where proof of vaccination is required. But I am pretty sure that Murthy would view any discussion of natural immunity's advantages over vaccination as unhelpful and therefore "misleading." Remember that "claims can be highly misleading and harmful even if the science on an issue isn't yet settled."
While lockdowns are thankfully behind us, the debate about them presumably also would have triggered Murthy's concerns. Stay-at-home orders and mass business closures were, after all, aimed at enforcing "social distancing," and Murthy says questioning the importance of that precaution is a kind of misinformation. If you expressed skepticism about the empirical basis for such edicts, which were often arbitrary and medically dubious, you could easily have been found guilty of contradicting the "scientific consensus" based on the "best available evidence" at the time.
The notion that dissent from the official line on public health issues should be treated as an "urgent threat" to be addressed by a "whole-of-society" crusade, possibly including "legal and regulatory measures," is fundamentally illiberal and inconsistent with freedom of speech. White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki describes the administration's demands for suppression of "misinformation" as "asks." But that characterization is risible given the power that the executive branch wields over the companies whose "cooperation" it is seeking. Censorship by proxy is still censorship.
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These peoples are nuts and need to be stopped.
The concept of individual rights has been obliterated so this is what we get. And this writer spends almost this entire article quibbling over the details of what constitutes misinformation and not just who the f do these people think they are and what the f do they think they’re doing?
Joe Friday is part of this problem
Who, Jacob or the other Democrats based in DC?
Who is going to hold the government, the deep state institutions Ike the CDC and state media responsible for spreading misinformation?
These people really are insane.
You know who else was nuts and needed to be stopped?
Today Murthy asked tech companies to do their part by turning over data on “COVID-19 misinformation,”
So those companies should turn over every search for “CDC”?
CDC = Completely Discredited Clownshow
By god you must be one of the dumbest people here and that is really, really saying something.
Opinions, yours and mine, are not really rated as smart or dumb.
They are just opinions.
DANGEROUS MISINFORMATION !
If this be insurrection, make the most of it!
(tip of the hat to Pat Henry)
Misinformation! It should be “(tip o’ the hat to Pat Henry)”
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Please go play chicken with a freight train until you lose.
Pay for the aid to Ukraine victims from the CDC, NIH, FDA, and Surgeon General budgets.
This is rich coming from a government official. The government not only lies to us on a daily basis; when called on it they insist it’s for the “greater good” and hence cannot be questioned.
The county mask mandate finally ended yesterday. We are free to breathe freely once again. (for now) I went to Costco today and 90% of the customers were still masked up. Mostly old people not wearing masks, since they know better.
Ours theoretically ended after the 15th.
Concert tickets tomorrow night and, you guessed it, vaccine passports, have to be masked the whole time, and they intend to continue this regime until the end of May at least.
It’s no longer the law, this is the theaters themselves doing this horseshit of their own accord. And, no, they won’t refund my ticket. I asked.
Sue the bastards!
They have no legal right to your medical information. It is illegal for them to ask.
HIPAA violation.
State of California says it’s ok.
They even had rules for “mega events” which is over 500 indoor and 10000 outdoor that require the vaccine proof or testing. Actually, I think they might have raised it to over 1000 indoor, but still I think it’s in place in some form or other.
Not going to be able to sue, either. It’s a private association thing. Don’t provide it you can take a test (at your own expense, etc…) or just not go. HIPAA is to stop your doctor from giving out that information without your consent.
Not that I’d have the countless dollars necessary to go to court because, for some reason, the arts community is entirely conformist and authoritarian (Which is ironic and sad in and of itself). Nobody win there but the lawyers.
Yesterday EastAsia was our enemy!
Today EastAsia is our friend!
Keep UP now concerning these matters, or be punished for spreading misinformation!
(Now, a quick quiz: Is EastAsia our friend or our enemy?!? Quickly now!)
Friend with benefits?
Yes, definitely, fuck EastAsia!!! With relish! And a pickle on the side, or in the middle, your choice! (In the middle is generally more satisfying.)
With mustard too? Totally optional in this case. I recall a song, by Sting as I recall, about “Mustard in my butt-hole”. And “A hundred million butt-holes, washed up on the shore.” That Sting dude was one kinky guy!
What about duck sauce?
Either fuck the duck sauce, or duck the fuck sauce, one or the other… Either way is fine with me! Just do NOT fuck with MY duck!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/8hahwj/fucked_up_duck/
Fucked up duck
So, there’s this farmer, it’s finally his sons 18th birthday and being rather poor, the farmer doesn’t have much to give his son. He gives him what he can, the day off for him to go into town, and a duck that he can sell for fifty bucks.
Kid goes on his way into town, first place he goes is the whorehouse. The prostitute won’t let him in because he doesn’t have any money, so he gives her the duck. They go off and have sex, as the kids walking away, the whore comes running back and give the kid his duck back, and asks him to fuck her again as he’s got a big dick and he was the best fuck she’s ever had.
The kid gleefully takes the duck back and gives the whore a good dicking down again. An hour passes and the kids on his way back home, duck gets away from him and gets hit by a truck. The trucker stops, gets out and apologizes to the kid, kid says “It was my birthday present, the only one I’ve ever had.” so the trucker forks over $50, feeling like an asshole and drives off.
Another hour passes and the kid gets home, Dad asks him how his day went, kid replies “Not bad, I got a fuck for a duck, a duck for a fuck, and fifty bucks for a fucked up duck.”
Reason supported all this with their support of Biden in the 2020 election.
If one has NO real, actually effective or practical choice other than to eat shit sandwich “A” or shit sandwich “B”, does that mean that one is in favor of eating shit sandwiches?
“Trump supported all this with his support of Biden in the 2020 election, by being a shittier shit sandwich than Biden was.”
There, fixed it for ya, and yer welcome!
You like links. Read this one.
So many metrics. So little time.
https://democracyinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Chronicles-October-2021-Bidens-Inexplicable-Victory.pdf
This one was served on the wrong bread.
A shit sandwich served on WHITE bread is WAAAAY too racist these days! Try black bread or brown bread instead!
Sad to say, all that is still allowed in between the bread slices, is shit, shitty shit, or extra-shitty shit!
Are you implying that “Trust the Science!” might have just been bullshit propaganda all along!?
It will all be worthwhile once Fauci and Brix (or what’s-her-name) are identified as sources of misinformation and canceled.
Remember when Fauci lied about masks?
I mean both times.
And he lied about lying.
I mean both times.
You spelled every wrong
And he lied about gain-of-function research. And the effects of masking were heavily overstated and inconsistent with what was previously understood (which should have raised flags). And claims of vaccine efficacy were credulously repeated even when evidence of their relatively limp noodles were stacking up.
Hand him a copy of the First Amendment and tell him to fuck off.
Obviously the solution is to preface every statement with “Based on the best available evidence at this time, “.
Ve vere only followink ze scienze!
Today Murthy asked tech companies to do their part by turning over data on “COVID-19 misinformation,”
Perhaps it might be time for the CDC to turn data on vaccines and covid over to the public, no?
Agree. Wouldn’t it be easier to discern what is and isn’t disinformation if you have the baseline of actual information for comparison?
The worst part about that is that the data likely aren’t condemning at all from a real standpoint. They’re just data. Shit happened, here’s what we know about it.
You’ll find vaccines are effective and you’ll see safety numbers not too far afield from other vaccines. You’ll find trends on covid spread, see errors in data like how some places are with, others from. All things we know.
The problem is the CDC knows their masking science is junk. They know that an effective vaccine for an 18 year old gives near zero actual benefit because that 18 year old was not at risk in the first place. Same for a 10 year old, except the “not at risk” is in boldfaced letters and capitalized.
To admit these things is to admit that their guidance was purely political. Biden wanted it, so they massaged the data until those data “supported” the message. Biden wanted a vaccine mandate for kids (I think this was union driven, and Biden definitely cowtows to the unions) so you can’t show the parts of the data that say that an infinitesimal risk of myocarditis is actually the same danger as an infinitesimal risk of a bad covid outcome.
Those things cause policy debate and these are our betters. They are the adults, we are the 6 year old children, incapable of understanding anything so complex as math. Do they proclaim, you do, and they genuinely think that is for your own good. To allow dissent, with verifiable numbers to back it, undercuts everything they have. People will know for certain that the government “experts” in all of this have been like 1000 ants on a log, floating down a river, each one thinking they’re steering.
So, yeah. Hide the data and never admit you were wrong to save face. It destroys every bit of good will any of these agencies ever established over the years, they’ll never be trusted again, but petty bureaucrats can’t see past the current state of power in their petty bureaucracies.
Do you think if you hand his own request back to him and say, “Here you go!” his head would explode?
The word “Misinformation” has been twisted and squeezed so much that it has lost all meaning, similar to: debunked, racist, nazi, socialist, communist and vaccine.
“Assault rifle” general; don’t forget “assault rifle”.
A salt rifle?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1175303734/rare-find-vintage-metal-rifle-salt-and
Again, what the government considers “misinformation” is not necessarily untrue, it is what goes against the government’s line. This is an unacceptable position for a government official to have and doubly unacceptable to be used to pressure private entities to turn over records on how dissent from the government narrative is disseminated.
Murthy should resign his office in shame or be removed. He us unfit for that duty.
Like, from a professional perspective, I could understand how, if your boss walked into your office and said, “Give me all the misinformation you’ve generated or handled over the past two years.”, standing up, walking into his office, dropping trou, and shitting on his desk wouldn’t be the best move. But, if you didn’t work for him, I fail to see how that substantially fails to meet his request.
What’s he going to do? Say that’s not all the misinformation? That’s not the misinformation he’s looking for? Take you to court because you didn’t share all the misinformation with him? What’s the court going to do? Compel you to share more misinformation with him?
Forget resign from office. I’m not entirely convinced someone shouldn’t beat him into a coma for consuming oxygen.
I like your analogy. The problem is Gov always goes in the other directions. Not clear what disinformation is? Well, we better take a look at ALL of the information for this particular individual and then we decide.
That is a slope greased for maximum speed to conclusion.
Not clear what disinformation is?
I didn’t say I wasn’t clear on what the misinformation is. I gave it to him. He called for a “whole-of-society” effort. I’m pretty sure I could put out a Tweet to get other people to chip in if that would help.
OK, seriously, I’m half convinced it would be worth it just to see news footage of the Surgeon General’s desk covered in Canadian Trucker shit.
Dear General Murthy,
Here’s the misinformation you requested.
Sincerely,
Hunter Biden
Just COVID misinformation or public healthcare misinformation? Asking for Jonathan Gruber.
Wait, wait, wait, wait… wait.
Let me get this line of thinking straight: there’s some sort of treasure trove of COVID misinformation out there that’s dangerous because it’s been shared with the public and Murthys doesn’t have access to because tech companies are keeping it a secret?
A third of me wants to ask if I’m understanding this correctly, another third is pretty certain that there is no correct way to understand it and the other third of me doesn’t want to understand it and the ADHD third of my brain is telling me that all requests from the government should be at least 90% dick pics and, if the information is really worth it, they can wade through it.
Seriously, I don’t know how going to the tech industry and saying “Give me all the false information you’ve got on [subject].” *isn’t* a euphemism for “Fill my inbox with dick pics and penis enlargement spam.”
There is an Admiral who would agree with the last part.
>>called for a “whole-of-society” effort to combat the “urgent threat to public health” posed by “health misinformation.”
lol the little Thunberg chick popup video is playing in the corner while I read these words from *the* (supposed adult) doctor …
So we got the CDC, NIH and this guy. who’s the rock, paper or scissors?
In August of 2021, the CDC officially renamed “rock, paper, scissors” to “mask, vax, omicron” to raise awareness of the need for Americans to get vaccinated. But keep it under your hat. Don’t let Murthys find out.
Vivek Murthy has been named as a member of the WEF (class of 2015). If true, it would explain this crusade.
https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/
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FACEBOOK ALLOWS PRAISE OF NEO-NAZI UKRAINIAN BATTALION IF IT FIGHTS RUSSIAN INVASION
The reversal raises questions about Facebook’s blacklist-based content moderation, which critics say lacks nuance and context.
Sam Biddle
February 24 2022, 12:44 p.m.
FACEBOOK WILL TEMPORARILY allow its billions of users to praise the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian neo-Nazi military unit previously banned from being freely discussed under the company’s Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy, The Intercept has learned.
The policy shift, made this week, is pegged to the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine and preceding military escalations. The Azov Battalion, which functions as an armed wing of the broader Ukrainian white nationalist Azov movement, began as a volunteer anti-Russia militia before formally joining the Ukrainian National Guard in 2014; the regiment is known for its hardcore right-wing ultranationalism and the neo-Nazi ideology pervasive among its members. Though it has in recent years downplayed its neo-Nazi sympathies, the group’s affinities are not subtle: Azov soldiers march and train wearing uniforms bearing icons of the Third Reich; its leadership has reportedly courted American alt-right and neo-Nazi elements; and in 2010, the battalion’s first commander and a former Ukrainian parliamentarian, Andriy Biletsky, stated that Ukraine’s national purpose was to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen [subhumans].” With Russian forces reportedly moving rapidly against targets throughout Ukraine, Facebook’s blunt, list-based approach to moderation puts the company in a bind: What happens when a group you’ve deemed too dangerous to freely discuss is defending its country against a full-scale assault?
Oh my…
https://twitter.com/CabezaIii/status/1499512730058952706?t=WjmS1EESa57oBDwjvcpAcA&s=19
How are the innocent deaths in Ukraine any different than the Holocaust? Because the Holocaust deaths were done in secret, slower, and methodical? The U.S. stayed out of WWII until Japan attacked. We should not be waiting to be dragged into this. Act now.
#PutinWarCrimes
“There is no such thing as misinformation. There is only information and people too stupid or lazy to discern its veracity.” – Me, just now.
+1 “If there are no stupid questions, do stupid people suddenly get smarter right before asking questions?”
There are no stupid questions. There are questions only stupid people ask.
The stupids are made smart by the stupid questions. In the same way all Ukranians are made virtuous by the bad actions of Putin.
Holeee fuck, this is a messed-up timeline.
> Murthy’s advisory, which defines misinformation to include statements that he deems “misleading” even when they are arguably or verifiably true, says the battle against it might include “appropriate legal and regulatory measures.”
Would anyone really be shocked if his body were found dangling, his head nailed to a telephone post?
A telephone post being slowly drawn into an industrial woodchipper?
Any view other than the leftist orthodoxy is misinformation is pretty close to any view other than the leftist orthodoxy is racist. It’s not like trying to suppress the other is a new step for them.
Rightly rebuts Covid myths, do they?
The CDC, which was caught red handed lying throughout the pandemic and was recently revealed to have been withholding Covid data.
I don’t think they have much credibility about anything.
https://brownstone.org/articles/follow-the-data-they-said-and-then-hid-it/
And why oh why all the lies? Why not just trot out solid data to rebut the innaccurate (covering only 1-13% of interactions) VAERS? Oops DMED corroborated.
Oops, UK is finding 9/10 deaths are in the fully jabbed.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/01/russia-distraction-uk-gov-revealed-triple-vaccinated-account-9-in-10-covid-deaths/
And wtf is this list of side effects? People take this shit to stop a flu?
https://esotericmetaphor.files.wordpress.com/2021/12/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf
“It wasn’t supposed to do that…”
The IM injection dors not stay in place, despite assertions, and now we find out Pfizer’s mRNA virus DOES reform to DNA inside your liver. Despite assertions otherwise.
What could go wrong?
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm#B39-cimb-44-00073
And slightly dated, but you obviously ignored it – why are deaths rising when severe Covid is falling?
Maybe because this jab is the most toxic injection you can get aside from the deliberately lethal ones?
https://www.pop.org/insurance-company-raises-alarm-over-unprecedented-spike-in-deathsand-they-dont-seem-to-be-from-covid/
They’re not “withholding data”, you conspiracy theorist.
It’s just…y’know how printers are, amirite? It’s going to take them a couple hundred years to get it all printed out, and they’re gonna have to get more printer papers. Then if they have to go to Office Max, the little lady is going to have to “pop into Ross”, so there’s a couple hours…
Nothing to see here, move along…
Get real, we all know important legal documents have to be lithographed by certified union professionals.
I must admit, I expected the 2nd amendment to be fully gutted and made worthless at least a little bit before the 1st.
Makes sense. Perhaps because they can do this from afar, hands off, remotely. While taking the guns requires a hands on, in your face, personal and physical taking of our property.
A good response from the techs might be –
Please tell us what text(s) you wish to be informed on. We are uncertain what is misinformation at this time.