The Supreme Court Seems Inclined To Block OSHA's Vaccine Mandate
Most of the justices appear to be skeptical of the argument that the agency has the power it is asserting.

The Supreme Court today considered whether it should block enforcement of the Biden administration's COVID-19 vaccination rule for private employers until the many legal challenges to that policy are resolved. Most of the justices seemed inclined to think that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) had overstepped its statutory authority by demanding that companies with 100 or more employees require them to be vaccinated or wear face masks and submit to weekly virus testing.
Chief Justice John Roberts noted that the Biden administration has imposed a series of vaccine mandates, covering federal employees, federal contractors, and health care workers as well the companies subject to OSHA's rule. "It seems to me…that the government is trying to work across the waterfront," Roberts said. "It sounds like the sort of thing that states will be responding to, or should be, or that Congress should be."
Justice Neil Gorsuch agreed that the administration seems to be using various legal pretexts to create what amounts to a general vaccine mandate that Congress so far has declined to impose or authorize. "Congress has had a year to act on the question of vaccine mandates," Gorsuch said. "It appears that the federal government is going agency by agency as a workaround." He noted that OSHA's rule relies on a statute that is "50 years old" and "doesn't address this question." He added that "traditionally, states have had the responsibility for overseeing vaccination mandates."
The concerns raised by Roberts, Gorsuch, and other justices echoed the points made by the plaintiffs. "OSHA typically identifies a workplace danger and then regulates it, but here the president decided to regulate a danger and then told OSHA to find a work-related basis for doing so," said Ohio Solicitor General Benjamin Flowers. "This resulted in the vaccine mandate: a blunderbuss rule, nationwide in scope, that requires the same thing of all covered employers, regardless of the other steps they've taken to protect employees, regardless of the nature of their workplaces, regardless of their employees' risk factors, and regardless of local conditions that state and local officials are far better positioned to understand and accommodate."
OSHA's mandate, which it published on November 5, is an "emergency temporary standard" (ETS), which circumvents the usual rule-making process. An ETS, which takes effect immediately upon publication, does not require advance notice or allowance for public input and hearings. But to take advantage of that rarely used shortcut, OSHA has to show that its rule is "necessary" to protect employees from a "grave danger" in the workplace.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, which stayed the ETS the day after it was published, said it "grossly exceeds OSHA's statutory authority." But after the challenges to the mandate were consolidated and assigned to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit, a divided three-judge panel lifted the 5th Circuit's stay, which is how the case ended up at the Supreme Court.
Much of the discussion today focused on the "major questions" doctrine, which says Congress must "speak clearly if it wishes to assign to an agency decisions of vast 'economic and political significance.'" OSHA's rule—which applies to 84 million employees, two-thirds of the work force, across many different industries and some 2 million workplaces—certainly seems to qualify as such a decision. Justice Brett Kavanaugh suggested that the case involves "broad but arguably cryptic language," making the major questions doctrine relevant. "If there is an ambiguity," Gorsuch wondered, "why isn't this a major question that therefore belongs to the people's representatives in the states and in the halls of Congress?"
U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar argued that the businesses, employees, and state governments challenging the mandate have not cited "a textual or structural problem" that would justify invoking the major questions doctrine. Confronted by "the biggest threat to workers in OSHA's history," she said, the agency is simply exercising powers that Congress gave it.
Several justices seemed skeptical of that position. Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Amy Coney Barrett emphasized that an ETS must be "necessary" to address a "grave danger." That is more demanding than the standard for an ordinary OSHA rule, which need only be "reasonably necessary or appropriate" to address a "significant risk."
Scott Keller, a former Texas solicitor general who spoke on behalf of the business groups challenging OSHA's edict, argued that necessary, in the context of an ETS, "has to mean indispensable or essential," as opposed to merely "useful." Otherwise, he said, OSHA could cite COVID-19 as the justification for policies even more sweeping than the vaccine mandate. Under the government's theory, Keller suggested, OSHA could have imposed "a national work lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic."
Prelogar conceded that a showing of necessity requires "a measure of tailoring." But she rejected the plaintiffs' argument that OSHA has to distinguish between industries and workplaces based on the COVID-19 risks they face.
"The grave danger exists, based on how this virus is transmitted, anywhere people gather indoors together," Prelogar said. "There are certain workplaces—factories, assembly lines—where the risk is graver [and] the chance of transmission is heightened. But I don't think that that in any sense calls into question [OSHA's] determination that there is a baseline grave danger in any work site where that inside risk of transmission can occur."
As Justice Stephen Breyer noted, OSHA's rule includes exceptions for employees who work exclusively at home or exclusively outdoors. But Keller pointed out that the vast majority of people who work in outdoor occupations, such as landscapers and highway workers, are still covered by the mandate because they may be indoors for a few minutes each day. OSHA failed to do "an industry-by-industry analysis" of COVID-19 risk, Keller said, and it arbitrarily exempted companies with fewer than 100 employees, even though the "grave danger" it describes does not suddenly disappear below that threshold.
OSHA's "internally inconsistent positions," Keller said, also include its determination that middle-aged workers who are vaccinated do not face a "grave danger" from COVID-19 but younger workers who are not vaccinated do, even though the government's data show that the two groups are about equally likely to die from the disease. He also noted that vaccinated people who are 65 or older face a much higher risk from COVID-19 than unvaccinated 18-to-29-year-olds.
While Justice Sonia Sotomayor suggested that such "apples to oranges" comparisons are not relevant, they go to the heart of the legal justification for the vaccine-or-test requirement. As Prelogar conceded, "the 'grave danger' finding is limited to unvaccinated workers." OSHA is focusing both on the risk they face and the danger they pose to other unvaccinated workers, she said, but its rule is not aimed at protecting vaccinated workers, although it may incidentally have that effect. Flowers called OSHA's disparate treatment of employees who face similar risks "the definition of irrational."
Flowers also questioned the assumption that vaccination prevents virus transmission, noting that vaccinated employees can be infected, especially by the highly contagious omicron variant. Breyer, by contrast, cited the current omicron surge as a reason for allowing the mandate to take effect. He said the legal questions raised by the mandate are "difficult" and "could take time" to address. But with cases skyrocketing and hospitalizations rising, he wondered, "how can it conceivably be in the public interest" to impose an immediate stay? "To me," he said, "it's unbelievable."
The plaintiffs argued that they need relief now because businesses otherwise will be required to submit their plans for complying with OSHA's mandate next week and will immediately have trouble retaining workers who object to vaccination. As soon as the ETS takes effect, Keller warned, "workers will quit," and there will be "national economic implications."
Sotomayor argued that the ETS "is not a vaccine mandate," since employers can instead require testing and masking. But that option imposes additional burdens on employers, who may therefore decide that a vaccine requirement is easier to manage. And while OSHA has always required employers to pay for workplace safeguards, in this case it is allowing them to impose the cost of testing on workers, giving them an added incentive to be vaccinated.
The Biden administration has described the ETS as part of its plan for "vaccinating the unvaccinated," and OSHA itself says its policy is designed to further that goal. Prelogar conceded that "encouragement of vaccination" is central to OSHA's rule, which Justice Elena Kagan said aims to "strongly incentivize vaccination," because that is the best protection against COVID-19.
As several justices noted, OSHA has never before required or encouraged employers to make vaccination mandatory, even when it issued a COVID-19 ETS for health care workers in June and when it addressed bloodborne pathogens through the usual rule-making process in the 1990s. "This is something the federal government has never done before," Roberts said. Alito argued that the vaccination rule is "fundamentally different from anything OSHA has done before" because the safeguards it has previously mandated, such as protective clothing, were limited to the workplace. Vaccination, by contrast, "affects employees all the time."
Gorsuch made a similar point about the risk OSHA is trying to reduce. "Traditionally," he said, "OSHA has had rules that address workplace hazards that are unique to the workplace and don't involve hazards that affect people 24 hours a day." Flowers likewise noted that exposure to the coronavirus is "a risk we face when we wake up, when we're with our families, when we stop to get coffee on the way to work, at work, when we go to lunch, and in the evening, if we go to a sporting event or a concert." To justify an ETS, he said, OSHA would have to "cite a particular aspect of the workplace that creates a risk of a different nature."
Kagan countered that argument by noting that, unlike many other situations where people might be exposed to COVID-19, work is not optional, and it involves "the combination of lots of people all going into one indoor space and having to deal with each other for eight hours." She noted that "you have to be there with a bunch of people you don't know, and who might be completely irresponsible." Given that reality, she said, it makes sense to treat COVID-19 as a risk that is especially acute in the workplace.*
Kagan argued that courts should not be second-guessing OSHA's judgment because they lack the requisite expertise and are politically unaccountable. "Courts have not been elected [and] have no epidemiological expertise," she said. "Why in the world would courts decide this question?"
Gorsuch noted that the issue is not what the decision should be but who is legally authorized to make it. "It's not that judges are supposed to decide some question of public health," he said. "It's about regulating the rules of the system to ensure that the appropriate party does."*
Keller questioned whether OSHA—rather than, say, the Department of Health and Human Services—actually has the appropriate expertise. "Is this the agency that has expertise over communicable diseases?" he asked. "No, it's not." He argued that "a single federal agency tasked with occupational standards cannot commandeer businesses economy-wide into becoming de facto public health agencies."
Flowers conceded that OSHA may have authority to address COVID-19 in a more carefully calibrated way, but he argued that its ETS neglects distinctions that the agency is legally required to consider. "So sweeping a rule is not necessary to protect employees from a grave danger, as the emergency provision requires," he said. "I want to be clear [that] the states share OSHA's desire to bring this pandemic to a close. But the agency cannot pursue that laudable goal unlawfully."
*CORRECTION: These paragraphs originally misattributed a Kagan quotation to Sotomayor and a Keller quotation to Gorsuch.
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Kagan argued that courts should not be second-guessing OSHA's judgment because they lack the requisite expertise and are politically unaccountable. "Courts have not been elected [and] have no epidemiological expertise," she said. "Why in the world would courts decide this question?"
What the fuck? Are these "liberal" justices actually retarded? First Sotomayor's absolute falsehoods about children and now this.
OSHA is elected and accountable? And has epidemiological expertise? The first is laughable and the second is completely irrelevant. The only question is whether it is legal.
Was that before or after Sotomayor said humans were virus slewiing machines and obviously could be minutely ruled by OSHA?
I heard that sound bite from her this morning. For fucks sake, she sounded like she was the Government Attorney's mom trying to help her out during her final exams. "So you are telling me that people are dying and this is THE ONLY way to prevent that? Reaaaallly?"
Jesus lady, have some respect for the fucking Nazgul gown.
I didn't listen to it all. Did anyone bring up the point that the virus is spread through the entire country and not just at work? That the work place vector has not been proven to be a large source of spread?
Moreover, that some forms of work are inherently less risky. From janitors cleaning by themselves after hours to loggers and arborists working outdoors near-exclusively 6 ft. apart. Mandating they get vaccines is akin to mandating they should all be wearing self-contained respirators.
I don't think all of them fully appreciate how terribly far this reaches. Drinking off the job is a demonstrable workplace hazard. Inadequate sleep off the job is a demonstrable workplace hazard. Anyone who's had a kid knows that the latter rather strongly correlates if not directly translates to having children.
What is sleep? My kid just woke me for the second time tonight.
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Jesus Christ. Some of us want to see Chevron repealed and this dingleberry wants to see it extended. What the fuck right does the Supreme Court have to rule on just about any fucking case under this standard? You're not elected and not an expert on anything, are you? Nevertheless, I'll bet she's got an opinion about abortion even though she's not a doctor doesn't she?
I'll be burning the midnight oil tonight to craft a 'bowf sidez' narrative on government power and overreach.
well save some for torches!
Shouldn’t take long considering Trump used the CDC for his own eviction mandate.
Twas a mistake and the SCOTUS said so.
Biden then did it again ANYWAY.
And has continued pushing the boundary.
Trump was not great on civil liberties. But nobody alive is worse than Joe Biden.
Republicans want cops to carry guns. QED.
OSHA is elected and accountable? And has epidemiological expertise? The first is laughable and the second is completely irrelevant.
Don't sell it short - the second is laughable, too.
Lagan is a retard. It’s common among democrats. Who have no business determining anything.
There was also an argument that unelected agencies ARE politically accountable because, if people don't like their response to an issue, they can just vote out the president and hope he changes the policy.
Because nothing says political accountability like lumping everything into one bag and forcing everyone to accept everything or reject everything.
CJ Roberts made a great point about workarounds during the OSHA case. From a 'systems' standpoint, he nailed it: Congress should be legislating this if they want it. And they probably do not have the power.
it should fall to the States, Constitutionally and so far, no one wanting re election has done so.
Even better coming off of four years where the bureaucracy repeatedly undercut the actual policy of the USA.
The court's job is to determine whether OSHA (and the executive in general) has the statutory authority to decide the question and perhaps if the federal government has the constitutional authority at all, not whether the decision itself is proper.
Kagan is completely misrepresenting the judiciary's role.
Is she really saying if a judge doesn’t have a particular expertise in a field
they can’t give a ruling?
The arguments are not even scientific. The argument they should be discussing is rule making, delegation, and authority for OSHA in these endeavors.
Kagan, Breyer, and Sotomayor all tried to insert their own completely wrong set of facts into record today.
That’s what democrats do. Rules and laws mean nothing to them, unless they are used to advance democrat power or restrain non democrats.
If she truly believed that, she would recuse herself.
Huh?
I swear there was a period of weeks during which the #1 trending item on Twitter assured me Biden's vaccine mandate was perfectly legal.
#LibertariansForTrustingBigTech
First Biden was against vaccine mandates.
Then Biden told us that Federal vaccine mandates were likely not legal.
Then he imposed a Federal vaccine mandate, his chief of staff publicly referred to it as a constitutional work-around, then the Biden admin acted surprised when challenged on their mandate...
Just think how much easier it would have been if Trump, just before Biden took office signed a federal vaccine mandate! Biden would have revoked it on day one, and Democrats would have to fall in line!
The so-called 'testing option' is a farce, testing has to be paid for by employee? Has to be scheduled off the clock? And what happens when a test can't be gotten for an extended period (days or weeks) - must an employer hold their job for them while they try and find a test?
Why do remote (home) workers need to be vaccinated? They pose ZERO workplace threat to their coworkers, since Zoom doesn't spread viruses.
This is Judicial Activism - Incrementalism.
Let the Separation of Pwers Horse out of the barn by slowly opening the gate.
Glad I'm retired!
10-4 tgat!
Im considering going back due to leverage of worker shortages but not like this.
If this goes through, they will push further, subhuman Authoritarian (also known as Democrats) always do. Shortly after you won't be allowed to enter a supermarket or leave your house. See Australia.
So, now a sizable contingent of your fellow Americans are “subhuman”. Awesome, let the hate flow. I’m sure it’s good for the future of our country.
Yes, democrats at this point are subhuman, I make no apologize for it. This isn't the era of Bill Clinton or JFK where there is disagreements about levels of taxation and government spending, but still overall believe in freedom and letting people live however they want. I have no love for republicans as they are hypocrites, cowards and only pay lip service to capitalism but for the most part, they aren't evil, unprincipled authoritarians like democrats.
And hate for democrats is a good thing for our country, because democrats are bad for the country as the more control they have, the more people will die, suffer and the less free and prosperous the US will be. The more democrats are shamed, despised, outcast and ridiculed the less of them there will be. Look over the last 2 years and see all the tyrannical policies put in place, that were almost exclusively put in by democrats in power and tell me democrats aren't authoritarians at the very core. Anybody who at this point is still standing behind the democrats is in fact pro authoritarianism.
My test for judging the humanity of someone is not by genes, but by actions. Humans, unlike animals, have the ability to live in a civilized society and can respect the concept of other sovereign people. They understand and respecting basic concepts like private property that when owned by others can't be taken, trespassed or controlled because it isn't yours. Understanding that although you might disagree with someone else, you shouldn't force your opinion and choices on them and understanding that laws that do are horridly unjust. Understanding that others make different risk/reward tradeoffs than you that must be respected. Animals lack the ability to respect such rules of civilized society, and so do democrats who are effectively savages, so I stand by my statement.
I basically agree with your characterization of Democrats.
While the republicans have been better for freedom, the Patriot act with its secret FISA court was a Republican idea.
Which came back to bite them in the ass when the FISA court was used to spy on candidate Donald J Trump
D or R?
Dip both ends of a stick in Excrement.
Throw it in the air. Which end to catch?
Again, republicans suck, but at this point you can't even compare them to how authoritarian the democrats have become.
yes but I can blame them as enablers.
Yeah, I dislike republicans too and have "wasted" every vote I ever cast on libertarian presidential candidates. I don't judge people who vote for republicans, because in the screwed up duopoly we live in there are rational reasons for voting for the lesser of 2 evils because the non evil alternative doesn't have a realistic chance of winning. But there is absolutely no excuse or rational reason at this point to support democrats unless you truly are an authoritarian.
The last presidential election was 8 months into the covid panic. We had a taste of never ending lockdowns, the government literally dictating what business are and aren't allowed to be open, cancellation of contract law and private property with the eviction moratoriums, clear illustration the mission creep of anything the government does with 2 weeks to lockdown, not to mention massive stimulus and gold plated unemployment that already started inflation and shortages back in 2020 (even if not as severe as today). And don't forget the democrat support for BLM and antifa who violently rioted, looted and burnt down anything they can get to practically every night of the 2nd half of 2020. I can't find a single reason for anybody to vote for democrats who openly want to massively increase the size of government after damn near a year of martial law and tyranny with it's side effects on clear display.
The President just said yesterday a large segment are traitorous. He has screamed about the unvaccinated for months. Not a problem right white mike?
One more thing, they aren't Americans. Just like human or not, I judge whether you are an American not by where you live, where you are from or even citizenship, but by your fidelity to the constitution and the affinity for the reasons why the US was formed in the first place. By that test, democrats fail miserably. So again, I don't consider them as Americans or humans, but as lawless savages who force onto and plunder from others anything that they can get away with, just like animals.
If this goes through, the likelihood of a violent civil war greatly increases.
I can't exactly say I'm looking forward to it, but I'm starting to wonder if it's inevitable and whether there is any hope of keeping the US as a free country by non violent means.
Had many of those thoughts too. Really hoping we're not so far gone, but the evil is entrenched.
We are.
There is no peaceful solution, except the slim possibility of secession.
The left has removed all legitimacy and wields their power with malice.
Suceed to Secede!
At my last count, all or part of 21 States were considering it.
Step 1. States bar Income Tax collection by the Fed.
Any taxes must come from the States.
We are not Federal Citizens. This isnt Europe..
I think the best outcome at this point would be an amicable divorce of the remaining free areas of the US from the Blue People's Republic. It's too late to save the whole US as a free country, but we could still save a rump US as a free separate country.
Long Haul Truckers strike.
Its over in a month. The Blue City Dwellers, tolerant Liberals, will be grilling and eating each other in two weeks.
That's exactly what we have on them to force them to the table for the divorce negotiations. If they could survive without us, they would just exterminate us.
That's a great idea!
New York, Washington DC and all the major northeast metropolises produce literally nothing of value and it's just power brokers whether politicians, stock traders or media moguls. Silicon Valley and Seattle produces tech that although addictive causes more harm than good. LA produces shitty music and woke TV and movies.
If we cut off the major leftist cities from imports of food, energy, etc... produced in the rest of the country, they would be brought to their knees overnight while the rest of the country would barely notice.
I said that to a long haul driver ar a 2A rally in OR.
.You shoulda seen the evil grin on his face he had when he caught the drift...
I think we should consider the alternative of a 50-state solution.
What's that?
Get rid of the other 7...
Good. Its a pain to unload magazines by hand...
Gorsuch - his nomination by Trump makes Trump one of the best presidents in modern era. Yes, he's not perfect but he's solid and consistent. Especially when you consider his seat could very likely have been given to Garland!!!
My guess here is 6-3 decision with Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan voting for the government. No surprise. Maybe Roberts joins them.
5-4.
They have to make it look good.
Image is everything.
The majority of SC decisions are either 5-4 or 9-0. Other splits are less common put together.
I wish I could take a dump thats solid and consistent.
Damn Depends!
Fuck you, Joe Biden.
Let's go brandon
A lot are predicting OSHA goes down but Healthcare mandate stays. Which is a weasel move by Roberts.
Meanwhile, in Ontario:
As of this morning, there were 1,868 people hospitalized (but not in ICU) with Covid, 76 percent of them injected.
It was approx. a 50/50 split of injected/un-injected in the ICU.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations
Jeff/sarc/brandy were claiming vaccination stops or slows the spread.
82% if Canada is vaccinated. Well within the margin of population statistics showing makeup of infected and hospitalized to show vaccination is not a driver for infections.
Jeff and sarc will of course ignore this data because they just feel vaccines will stop the spread.
IT'S A LIFE SAVING VACCINE JESSE! LIVE SAVING!!! THEY NEVER SAID IT WOULD STOP THE SPREAD OR OFFER IMMUNITY! STOP REMEMBER SHIT SO CLEARLY!!! - Jeff, Mike, Joe Friday, Molly, etc.
That perfectly encapsulates every single one of their arguments.
There’s actually a lot of data indicating the fully vaccinated and boosted may be more susceptible to omicron infection. Despite what Sullum wrote yesterday.
I'm inclined to think this is the case. Don't know, but it's been a theory I've held since hearing how the mrna vaccines operate
I doubt they are "more succeptible", just more likely to catch it.
Vaccinated people are more likely to hang out with vaccinated people. Vaccinated people are also more likely to have very slight symptoms from covid. And vaccinated people are more likely to be urban socialites. All of these other factors that come along with vaccination are also RISKS to getting and/or transmitting the disease.
It's comments like this that throw a wrench into the idea that libritarians are blind to most things.
Keep it up.
Libritarians? Typo, maybe?
I don’t know man, I think people here are a bit too concerned about what anyone may think about libertarians. What I know is that libertarians are mostly ineffective and irrelevant and therefore most people will not think much of anything at all about them. Ever.
Back when the conventional wisdom was that 30% immunity might stop the spread, Fauci began warning that it might take as much as 60% of the population having immunity.
Ah yes, the High Priest Fauci, Dear Leader of the Branch Covidians.
He of the mobile goalposts.
I, for one, am looking forward to the requirement of a Bear Patrol in every American workplace. The ursine menace has killed enough of us that it's long since time we did something (an Emergency Temporary Standard) about it.
As long as they claw folks and not bite them, totally legal. 2A states the right to bear arms.
LOL! Needed a good LOL brother.
You're skipping past the critical claws in the amendment, 'A well regulated militia'. No untrained civilian has any need bear arms with more than 10 claws. Common sense bear claw control!
You can try to pry my claws from my warm, fuzzy hands.
And don't forget the mandatory bear vaccine.
Reminds me of that time Sarah Palin made some random comment about protecting a school from bears and everyone made fun of her. Then it turned out there’s a school in Alaska (where she was the Governor) that is surrounded by fencing and arms on school grounds, because of bears.
As Robert Barnes pointed out, the States and business groups challenging the mandate left a point on the table by not pointing out that the Senate has already voted against the OSHA rule.
Where is Molly G to explain that isn't REALLY majority rule, because, reasons...
That’s not democracy because Republicans are stupid racist poopyheads. - Molly
The false narrative about how many children are critically ill, etc...let's look at this...It's certainly NOT the first time a false narrative has guided SCOTUS jurisprudence.
Let's look at all the challenges to the numerous sex offender registries throughout the nation: every law cites a phrase used when the Supreme Court decided McKune v. Lile. They cited an unscientific article published in "Psychology Today" by Robert Freeman-Longo, a sex offender treatment provider who was hawking his program to the state of CA. He made an unsupported claim that 80-85% of untreated "sex offenders" will re-offend. Study after study after study, which have been carried out by numerous state governments have reached the same conclusion that the uniform recidivism rate is 3-5%. There has been 30 years of research and study into this field and yet none of the newer science which disproves that alarmist claim is ever acknowledged. The courts routinely show a deliberate indifference to the empirical, evidence-based fact that those who commit sexual offenses recidivate at a rate far lower than any other class of felons, save murderers. However, nobody's raising hell about THAT false narrative that courts tenaciously cling to, although more and more courts are getting honest about the lack of effectiveness of the registry and that the disabilities and restraints imposed (work, residency, and presence restrictions) far outstrip the stated objective and thus render the registry a punitive measure and as such is unconstitutional.
The thing about Researchers ( been there, done that in engineering) is that their Research Findings always Find that they need to Find more Money to Fund their continued Finding.
Its an F-ing Circle Jerk.
Speaking of, F. Joe Biden.
F me?
Thats Kamalas job.
Well, not sleeping tonight. Thanks for that.
Do you call her Ashley in the shower?
Worse, and more simply.... It is irrelevant.
The law either allows this authority or it does not.
This invention of "strict scrutiny" versus "Rational basis scrutiny" is yet another example of "we the people" failing.
The courts want to be the final arbiters of policy. So they invent fictions like "absolute immunity" and "intermediate scrutiny" to simply allow them to make shit up.
The constitution does not have "unless you think it is important" as an escape clause. It has "go get an amendment if it is so damned important" as an escape clause.
Yet "we the people" tolerate this crap. So I suppose we get what we deserve.
"A democracy, if you can keep it..."
well, we havent.
Jiggle the Handle, its circling the drain.
“The Supreme Court Seems Inclined To Block OSHA's Vaccine Mandate”
Good! It’s clear overreach, and I’m glad the Supremes are going to shoot it down.
Weird how you only say this after it looksoke your side has lost.
Fuck you Liarson, you insincere shitweasel. You have been singing a different tune for months.
How the hell can someone with virus that has a 99.97% chance of survival...., be in grave danger? This is f-ing batshit crazy. The world is certifiably nuts.
The Phucko Knows
...could get hit by a bus?
Thats more likely.
SNAFU: n. A situation where 9 people appointed to sit on a bench for life decide what constitutes undue hazards in the workplace for everyone from Jamie Hyneman and Adam Savage to Kobe Bryant to Chris Wallace.
What a way to miss the point. Unelected and unappointed bureaucrats, protected for life by the Civil Service, _have_ arbitrarily decided what constitutes an undue hazard in the workplace, regardless of the job.
The CMS case was also argued yesterday. That case was a lot murkier. It had a little of everything.
There are standing issues.
There are anti-commandeering issues. Shades of NFIB v Sebelius.
My personal favorite, there is an APA argument as well. Oh, the irony.
They should tell CMS to fuck off.
What will they do? Send corporate heads to jail?
Hardly. Corporate officers dont generally go to jail.
The Courts in either case arent ordering vaccines as they have no authority to do so.
These are Agency power plays.
Id respond that there is ALREADY great harm in such mandates bc theres already a critical shortage of ALL workers, esp. healthcare workers.
A hearty " shove your mandate up your ass " would solve the whole problem.
To Hell with it.
Let the Fed and US G collapse under their own weight.
I dont see a better outcome.
Its mostly un- Constitutional anyway.
Back to the States.
Maybe these Leftist Clods are doing us a favor by destroying themselves?
( Troll Triggering Time...)
The South warned us.
( here comes the pissing and moaning....)
It says much about our descent into nonsense that so much time is subsumed by the federal government inserting itself into our lives.
Weeellll...theres a loophole here.
Theres no individual mandate. Thats too far a reach.
This is a Corporate mandate. Employees do not work for OSHA.
I once worked for an engineer who had been Ordered to surrender evidence ( program listings, 1970s) for a Trial over computer keyboards. He did. Many boxes. ALL SCRAMBLED OUT OF SEQUENCE.
He complied with the Order. It did not specify the records be in easy to read condition!
They were useless.
1. Declare all employees as Contractors.
" Party of One, your tables ready-"
Not enforceable.
2. Reply: " We respect the Courts decision on vaccination. Please send a Determination of EXACTLY which variant EACH EMPLOYEE HAS, Prove they have it, and prove the vaccine is
" effective" for said variant."
Thats reasonable and impossible to respond to.
3. Demand OSHA pay for it all. The power to demand also implies requirement to pay for it.
4.
?
Gee wonder why they seem skeptical? Hmm.
bc theres not even a toothpick to stand on..let alone wooden leg.
# 4. " OSHA Inspector, meet our new Company Voodoo Priest, Mumbamu Matutu. He's granted religious exemption to the whole Company.
And he LIKES you, hes even making a doll in your honor!"
The OSHA mandate DOES include religious exemption, doesnt it?
And Asshole Biden wants to force MORE of this?
https://m.arcamax.com/currentnews/newsheadlines/s-2617292-p2
We live in dark times. This should be an open and shut case. The federal government has no authority to mandate vaccines of ANY kind. The efficacy and / or workplace regulation issues are irrelevant.
here ya go...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ceb5OVG7k
Sotommayor and Kagan are the absolute worst. Perhaps two of the worst justices of all time. Although Ms Ginsburg is in the running for that as well.
Justice is a stretch.
Maybe " justice" like this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
SNLs doing the Bill Clinton " dead wife" skit.
Hilarious.
Once again, the Babylon Bee explains it better
https://twitter.com/thebabylonbee/status/1479557887248719885?s=10
"Nation's Fate Now In The Hands Of 8 Dummies And Clarence Thomas"
"but he argued that its ETS neglects distinctions that the agency is legally required to consider."
Aka what D'Sousa said...."to hell with the Rule of Law, lets grab power like its 1999" is the MO.
Theres a diff between crafting a law or rule generally then ironing out the occasional bug in Court, but this is gross abuse of a corpse.
Its deliberately attempting to subvert then make law in the Courts.
And Communist Broadcasting System just now Gaslighting and Pearl Clutching in FL over " people cant get testing."
No word whether said testing is useful. No metrics or data.
Numbers are HARD for Jernalysm grads.
Unlikely, given that for the 1st time ever the SC has a majority appointed by Presidents who lost the popular vote, but let's hope they figure this one out and uphold the OSHA rules. Given also that his same SC majority is from the party trying to make public health a culture war issue by denying the medical and scientific community expertise, the fix is probably in.
I feel your pain, loser.
"Kagan countered that argument by noting that, unlike many other situations where people might be exposed to COVID-19, work is not optional,"
Except for those that refuse the vaccine and get fired. It's optional for them apparently.
I'm still not working because of the pandemic of the vaccinated. Since I am not vaccinated, I will have symptoms and know to stay home, but people who are vaccinated are now super spreaders since they spread the virus without symptoms which makes them a danger to me, not the other way around.
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The sad reality is that this should be a slam-dunk case against the OSHA Mandate. It is completely and should be completely overreach. If politicians want a vaccine mandate then propose and pass a law through the legislature and have Brandon sign it into law.
This way there is a tiny modicum of this being a representative government where we can hold our elected officials accountable.
While I'm venting about my frustrations with government, we should demand that every vote take by the legislature is documented and every citizen has access to this information.
It is no surprise that they sound a lot like brandy, jeff, and sarc in their logic and lack of respect for individual risk analysis.
"the agency is simply exercising powers that Congress gave it."
False. Its not from CONgress.
Its a personal agenda from Biden.
A month or so ago, he webt to SCOTUS to ' ask them to do what he wanted"
His attempt to make Public Law via EO which is traditionally forbidden, ( language in EO's) blew up in his face, so this was Plan B.
Note how the Left has a majority in Congress but dont use the Lawmaking process, rather, subverting the Rule of Law by using the Courts.
Kangaroo rubber stamp Courts are a mark of a Dictatorship.
+1000
Yes but Obama Care set the " fuck the Constitution well do what we please" standard.
Ship = Sailed and Sunk.
Well said, by Gorsuch and yourself.
The only question of fact relevant is whether a contagious disease is the sort of thing Congress enabled OSHA to regulate.
"Sotomayor and Kagan are not idiots, so I can only conclude they are conflating the issues deliberately in order to attempt to legislate from the bench."
Perhaps, but as the saying goes, "never subscribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity". Or more accurately here, emotion. Even highly capable and intelligent individuals let emotion get the better of their intellect much of the time. Regardless, they're wrong, but the reasons why don't have to be sinister.
They don't care if freedoms are removed for the appearance of safety.
" The End Justifies the Means."
Hitler
Mao
Stalin
Catholic Church
All the famous mass murderers..
If we go with utilitarianism with complete disregard for law, I propose Sotomayor is beheaded, her head taken to a taxidermist, stuffed and hung on the wall at the supreme court building so that other judges remember what happens to constitution hating, authoritarian enabling activist judges.
It’s always different when X
does it.
They call it " Living" as they stab at it viciously, trying to kill it.
Nonsense, Bostok was right as a matter of text and logic. Bostok convinced me that Gorsuch was the best jurist in SCOTUS.
The L you say!
Its Pun- thirty.
Here is Jeff's rationalization for his authoritarianism:
chemjeff radical individualist
January.7.2022 at 4:03 pm
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I want people to have an enlightened sense of moral responsibility. Which is a *necessary prerequisite* for any society organized around libertarian principles.
Libertarianism only exists around his moral responsibility. There is no freedom of an individual to decide their morality. It is his and only his.
There was a Romanian named Vlad who knew how to solve that difficulty
But she's a wise Latina woman- oops, forgot, it's LatinX now.
now THAT was a good rejoinder
He is but a piker compared to turd!
That fatfuck wasn’t beaten nearly enough by his parents. That punk needs a good smack.
Vlad Tepeș pt castigul
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Well, yeah, if the piece of paper with words written on it isn't an immortal being, then it would objectively look like they're just beating a dead horse as some sort of pseudo-religious sacrifice.
If the tests from the mRNA SARS 1 shot attempts are of any worth as a comparison, the injections caused a short term increase in antibodies, but a later increase in infections of a different variant.
Besides that it only crafted a single spike protein example to identify the virus, researchers on the project also found friendly receptors formed on immune cells - the shot had caused white blood cells to become susceptible to infection and spread by the virus, rather than being a defense mechanism.
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" chopped off 'er 'ead and couldnt rejoinder?"
Sounds Humpty- Dumpty.
ha haw!
Trolls are often " butts"
Even if he did realize it, do you really think he could resist?
when trillions of dolars are in play, death threats work.
People have killed for much less.
Roberts was never at pedo Island, John Roberts is a common name, and while there was a John Roberts on the Epstein flight manifest in one day, Supreme Court was in session that day. CJ Roberts has an airtight alibi.
This was debunked a while ago.
From what I’ve read, John Robert’s was misidentified and it wasn’t him at Epstein’s island. If anyone here knows more about this, 0lease chime in.
Mike knows Drugs.
Just read its posts.
Must be some " primo stuff!"
Yeah, ask Scalia.
..ex Friends of the Clintons...
So, what do you think they have on him?
He was genuinely spooked by Obama's threats to undermine the Supreme Court's legitimacy if they ruled against Obama's pet project.
OSHA has zero status Tory authority to make or enforce vaccine mandates.
And what the SCOTUS doesn’t realize, Executive Orders are NOT Law, it’s a means to ENFORCE Law Congress passes. Legislation was not passed by the Congress and Signed by the President so it is not “law” and Americans can ignore these Laws. The Labor Commissioner said he won’t enforce the Mandate at all. So he is taking a stand.
Which, if true, would mean he has no business on the high court.
As they say, politics ain't bean bag... Sometimes you have to have the fight.
False.
You clearly never READ an E.O.
Go read some. The end in particular.
EOs are NOT LAW and NOT enforcing Congress' laws.
EOs are Executive directives apart from law to ( mostly ) Agencies telling them to do something as their Boss.
Further the President is NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT.
He is the EXECUTIVE, to CARRY OUT laws.
The Constitution gave NO ONE ENFORCEMENT POWER.
Youre a COMMUNIST. More specifically, a Marxist.
Law enforcement is a COMMUNUST ideal.
Read about " Marxism and Criminology.
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