Here Is Why a Federal Judge Blocked Enforcement of the Texas Social Media Law
Gov. Greg Abbott attacks First Amendment rights in the name of defending them.

A Texas law that purports to restrict the moderation decisions of social media platforms was scheduled to take effect yesterday. That did not happen, because the day before a federal judge in Austin issued a preliminary injunction blocking enforcement of the law, which he said clearly violates the First Amendment—something that Gov. Greg Abbott and the many other Republicans who supported the law should have recognized long before it was challenged in court.
"Too many social media sites silence conservative speech and ideas and trample free speech," Abbott complained on one of those social media sites in March, explaining why he wants to constrain their decisions. "Our country's public square has become increasingly controlled by a few powerful companies that have proved to be flawed arbiters of constructive dialogue," he said in a September 22 Washington Post op-ed piece. He argues that H.B. 20, which he signed into law on September 9, "protects Texans from wrongful censorship" and thereby upholds their "first amendment rights."
To the contrary, U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman says in his decision granting a preliminary injunction against the law, "HB 20's prohibitions on 'censorship' and constraints on how social media platforms disseminate content violate the First Amendment." That's because the First Amendment protects the right of privately operated platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube to decide for themselves what sort of speech they want to host.
Pitman was responding to a lawsuit that two trade associations, NetChoice and the Computer & Communications Industry Association, filed in September. They argued that H.B. 20 unconstitutionally interfered with their members' editorial discretion. Texas simultaneously argued that Facebook et al. don't really exercise editorial discretion and complained about the way they use it.
H.B. 20 would have made it illegal for "social media platforms" to "censor" content based on the "viewpoint" of the author or the post. It defines "social media platforms" to exclude services with fewer than 50 million active monthly users, meaning the law does not apply to upstart alternatives such as Parler, Gab, and Rumble. The definition also excludes websites that "primarily" offer "news, sports, entertainment, or other information or content that is not user generated but is preselected by the provider," so H.B. 20 does not apply to mainstream (or alternative) news outlets even when they host reader comments.
The law defines "censor" to include any effort to "block, ban, remove, deplatform, demonetize, de-boost, restrict, deny equal access or visibility to, or otherwise discriminate against expression." It makes a few exceptions: Platforms are allowed to suppress "expression that directly incites criminal activity," "specific threats of violence" that target people based on their membership in certain protected categories, and content that "is the subject of a referral or request from an organization with the purpose of preventing the sexual exploitation of children and protecting survivors of sexual abuse from ongoing harassment."
Otherwise, the law's reach is vast. As the plaintiffs in this case noted, H.B. 20 "would unconstitutionally require platforms like YouTube and Facebook to disseminate, for example, pro-Nazi speech, terrorist propaganda, foreign government disinformation, and medical misinformation."
H.B. 20 authorizes any Texan or anyone doing business in Texas who "shares or receives expression in this state" to seek injunctions against alleged violations of the law. It also authorizes the state's attorney general to sue platforms for "a violation or a potential violation." In either case, the plaintiff is entitled to recover attorney's fees.
Evaluating the constitutionality of this scheme, Pitman notes that "social media platforms have a First Amendment right to moderate content disseminated on their platforms." He cites three Supreme Court decisions in support of that conclusion.
In the 1974 case Miami Herald Publishing Company v. Tornillo, the Court held that a Florida law giving political candidates a "right of reply" to published criticism was unconstitutional. In the 1986 case Pacific Gas & Electric v. Public Utilities Commission of California, the Court said California could not force a utility company to distribute a third-party newsletter in envelopes used for bills. And in the 1995 case Hurley v. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Group of Boston, the Court upheld a private association's right to exclude a gay rights group's float from a St. Patrick's Day parade. Pitman also cites Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, a 1997 case in which the Supreme Court made it clear that the First Amendment fully applies to the internet.
"The Supreme Court's holdings in Tornillo, Hurley, and PG&E," Pitman says, "stand for the general proposition that private companies that use editorial judgment to choose whether to publish content—and, if they do publish content, use editorial judgment to choose what they want to publish—cannot be compelled by the government to publish other content. That proposition has repeatedly been recognized by courts."
Are platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube exercising "editorial judgment" when they decide to label, block, or limit access to certain messages? Pitman thinks they clearly are.
Pitman rejects the state's argument that social media platforms should be treated as "common carriers" like broadband providers or telephone companies. "Unlike broadband providers and telephone companies," he notes, "social media platforms 'are not engaged in indiscriminate, neutral transmission of any and all users' speech.' User-generated content on social media platforms is screened and sometimes moderated or curated." That is true, to one extent or another, of every social media platform, including the alternative services that Texas chose to exempt from H.B. 20, and it is precisely those moderation and curation decisions to which politicians like Abbott object.
"Making those decisions entails some level of editorial discretion…even if portions of those tasks are carried out by software code," Pitman writes. "While this Court acknowledges that a social media platform's editorial discretion does not fit neatly with our 20th Century vision of a newspaper editor hand-selecting an article to publish, focusing on whether a human or AI makes those decisions is a distraction. It is indeed new and exciting—or frightening, depending on who you ask—that algorithms do some of the work that a newspaper publisher previously did, but the core question is still whether a private company exercises editorial discretion over the dissemination of content, not the exact process used."
In addition to directly interfering with editorial discretion, Pitman says, H.B. 20 would have a chilling effect on the exercise of First Amendment rights because social media companies couldn't be sure which decisions would prompt the lawsuits it authorizes. He agrees with NetChoice that the "threat of myriad lawsuits based on individual examples of content moderation" would "chill the broad application" of rules against disapproved content such as hate speech and medical misinformation.
Pitman notes that H.B. 20 "discriminates based on content and speaker," which triggers "strict scrutiny" under the First Amendment. The law discriminates explicitly through the kinds of "censorship" it allows and implicitly through the user threshold for the platforms it covers. Pitman notes that "a state senator unsuccessfully proposed lowering the threshold to 25 million monthly users in an effort to include sites like 'Parler and Gab, which are popular among conservatives.'"
Pitman also concludes that H.B. 20 is "unconstitutionally vague," leaving platforms uncertain how to comply with its requirements. The law demands that they provide "equal access or visibility to" expression, but it's not clear what that means. The law authorizes the attorney general to sue over a "potential" violation, without any requirement that the violation be imminent. "Subjecting social media platforms to suit for potential violations, without a qualification," Pitman says, "reaches almost all content moderation decisions platforms might make, further chilling their First Amendment rights."
Since H.B. 20 "imposes content-based, viewpoint-based, and speaker-based restrictions," Pitman says, it is subject to strict scrutiny, which requires that the law be "the least restrictive means of achieving a compelling state interest." Even under intermediate scrutiny, Texas would have to show that its law is "narrowly tailored to serve a significant government interest."
Texas argued that it was trying to protect "free and unobstructed use of public forums and of the information conduits provided by common carriers." The state also said it was "providing individual citizens effective protection against discriminatory practices, including discriminatory practices by common carriers." But privately operated social media platforms are neither public forums nor common carriers, Pitman says. And in Tornillo, the Supreme Court rejected a similar argument in favor of compelling a newspaper to publish a politician's response to its criticism, saying such commands cannot be justified by concerns about "abuses of bias and manipulative reportage" resulting from "the vast accumulations of unreviewable power in the modern media empires."
Even if the interests cited by Texas were "compelling" or "significant," Pitman says, H.B. 20, which contains "broad provisions with far-reaching, serious consequences," is far from "narrowly tailored," let alone the "least restrictive means" of achieving the state's objectives. He notes that another federal judge, confronted with a similar but narrower law in Florida, described it as "an instance of burning the house to roast a pig," which Pitman thinks is also an apt description of H.B. 20.
The preliminary injunction in Florida—which U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle issued on June 30, two months before the Texas legislature passed H.B. 30—clearly did not faze the law's supporters. But it should have.
"Balancing the exchange of ideas among private speakers is not a legitimate governmental interest," Hinkle wrote. "And even aside from the actual motivation for this legislation, it is plainly content-based and subject to strict scrutiny. It is also subject to strict scrutiny because it discriminates on its face among otherwise-identical speakers: between social-media providers that do or do not meet the legislation's size requirements and are or are not under common ownership with a theme park [a special favor for Disney]. The legislation does not survive strict scrutiny. Parts also are expressly preempted by federal law."
H.B. 20 has all of these problems, and then some. Abbott, a former Texas Supreme Court justice who served as his state's attorney general from 2002 to 2015, should have understood that the Texas law was blatantly unconstitutional. His arguments to the contrary are so implausible that it is hard to believe even he accepts them.
"Twitter, Facebook and other massive platforms aren't just any private companies," Abbott said in the Post. "They are our modern-day public square, and effectively control the channels we use for discourse." In essence, this argument is no different from the one the Supreme Court decisively rejected in Tornillo. If anything, it is weaker as applied to the internet, where the barriers to entry are much lower than in print publishing and services like the ones exempted from H.B. 20 can and do offer alternatives for people who don't like the policies enforced by the platforms that Abbott thinks discriminate against conservatives.
Abbott also argued that social media platforms should not "enjoy the First Amendment protections that newspapers and other news outlets enjoy," because "they don't shoulder the accompanying responsibilities." How so? "Newspapers cannot be censored, but they can be sued for libel," Abbott wrote. "The social media platforms, by contrast, have received special legal status from the federal government in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which protects them from liability for the content they publish by declaring that they are not publishers or speakers. Having won market dominance thanks to Section 230's immunity handout, these social media giants cannot claim to be speakers again now that it's convenient."
This misconception about Section 230 is widely popular among both Republicans and Democrats, but that does not make it true. When it comes to user-generated content such as comments on articles, "newspapers and other news outlets" enjoy exactly the same protection under Section 230 as social media platforms do. They are not automatically liable for defamatory or otherwise actionable speech by users, and they do not sacrifice that protection if they try to enforce rules against particular kinds of speech they deem unacceptable.
Without the first kind of protection, websites would feel compelled to either eliminate any opportunity for users to post comments or (assuming they had the resources) engage in moderation much more heavy-handed than the sort that irks politicians like Abbott. Without the second kind of protection, they would have to choose between the latter option and no moderation at all.
Although Pitman (unlike Hinkle) did not address the issue, Section 230 also poses a problem for H.B. 20. Section 230 bars states from imposing civil liability on a website for "any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material" it deems "objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected." H.B. 20 implicitly acknowledges that barrier, saying it does not authorize "damages or other legal remedies to the extent the social media platform is protected from those remedies under federal law"—a proviso that makes the state's ban on "censorship" inoperative as applied to "good faith" decisions regarding "objectionable" content.
Section 230 aside, the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government violates the First Amendment when it compels private organizations to publish, endorse, or promote speakers or messages they find objectionable. That is exactly what Texas is trying to do.
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What a bunch of crap. Social media platforms are literally arms of the Democrat party. Literally. The politicians tell them what to do and they do it. It's literal fascism. Literally.
All this bill would have done is reign in literal Democrat fascism, which means the judge is a progressive Democrat who voted for Biden, He hates Trump, hates freedom, hates America, hates the Constitution, and supports every evil perpetrated by evil progressives.
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As the plaintiffs in this case noted, H.B. 20 "would unconstitutionally require platforms like YouTube and Facebook to disseminate, for example, pro-Nazi speech, terrorist propaganda, foreign government disinformation, and medical misinformation."
With arguments like that, Sarcasmic, it sort of begins to feel that way.
There are tons of good arguments against this social media law. Tons of them, the above aren't particularly compelling.
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I mean, Jesus, why didn't the Plaintiff just say, with this social media law, platforms would have to carry content which goes against the principles laid out by the DNC.
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I'm as unhappy with social media and the press being in the D pocket as most people, but this law is just not how you do it. What is happening in media can only be overcome by the people demanding it stop, not the government trying to force it to stop.
Fuck you, Gov. Greg Abbott, you fascist-Marxist taker-over of other peoples' properties! MY WEB SITE, my rules, assholes!!!!!
Also, ALL of ye assholes who LOVE to punish "Party A" for the writings of "Party B"... I hope that they STRING YOU UP for what I have just written!! If, that is, ***IF*** that is the ONLY way in which ye stubborn brutes will learn a DAMNED THING about what "justice" really means!!!
Who owns conglomerates like Alphabet, Amazon and Apple, Sqrlsy? The CEOs don't own them but they're the ones censoring people on the platforms.
How is Alphabet with it's shareholders, various CEOs of different subsidiaries, committees and board of governors different from a government?
Can you actually answer this like a human, instead of resorting to shitty rhymes, stupid name-calling and stale-copypasta? Can you actually defend your position?
How is Alphabet with it's shareholders, various CEOs of different subsidiaries, committees and board of governors different from a government?
something something monopoly on legal use of violence something something
So a town or county isn't a government? I realize in some countries that a town can but in many it doesn't.
Wikipedia says it's merely:
"A government is the system or group of people governing an organized community"
That covers a hell of a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence
Start here
Using Max Weber's definition as a blanket definition is horseshit, chemjeff.
There are millions of different governments across the planet that don't have a monopoly on violence. Every townhall in America is proof of that.
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Tell us, ML, how big does a corporation have to get until its owners lose their rights to control how their property may be used?
Does it have to have 1,000 employees? More?
How about $1 million in sales? More?
Tell me Jeff, who controls the company. Is it the CEO, the board, the shareholders? And why are you perfectly fine with laws saying what it can and cannot do with its employees, contracts and sales tactics, but not when it comes to censoring clients who are practicing legal and legitimate speech on platforms expressly created for that purpose.
You're such a fascist fuck. If you and Sqrlsy thought for a second that their political censorship might hurt the Dems, you two would be screaming bloody murder.
You're the fascist here. You are the one who wants to deprive owners of a company of their property rights if they don't do the bidding of what you want them to do, via government force.
And why are you perfectly fine with laws saying what it can and cannot do with its employees, contracts and sales tactics
Who said I was "perfectly fine" with these laws? Some I might agree with, and some I might not. Why don't you give some specifics?
And why won't you answer my question?
How big does a company have to be before its owners lose their property rights to control the direction of the company?
Shareholders are the owners dumbass.
Jeff. Why are you just fine with these companies violating standard contract laws? Why not allow contractual lawsuits? Also see prof volokhs article on companies funded by government being pressured to censored being considered arm of government.
See hobby lobby decision dumbass. You know the decision you raised against?
All S and C corps qualify, in my book.
So for S and C corporations, who should control how the company behaves? The government? The people?
According to precedent, when they start acting like a government.
This was the consensus against coal companies. They had to allow free speech in company towns because they were acting as the government of those towns.
For company towns, the company literally was the government, i.e., it actually ran the police force for the town, and performed other municipal services.
Google is nowhere near that level.
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The guy's just a troll, but not a very good one so he shitposts and spams to make the board unreadable.
Use your mute button on me, Chthonic Cunt, Twat of Twits, and STOP responding when I post shit that you can NOT refute! THAT, alone, would cut WAAAAAYY back on your endlessly repeated LIES, and thus, cut back on YOUR thread-shitting!!!
Why the hell would I mute a lolcow like you, sarc?
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As the plaintiffs in this case noted, H.B. 20 "would unconstitutionally require platforms like YouTube and Facebook to disseminate, for example, pro-Nazi speech, terrorist propaganda, foreign government disinformation, and medical misinformation."
Wait, what?
That was the plaintiff argument? Seriously?
Don't social media companies routinely engage in several of these practices?
Yes, every one of them.
But they do it in support of The Party, so it's cool.
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Fucking babble. This nutbag can't actually formulate and argument so he resorts to spamming this childish garbage.
Seriously, is Sqrlsy worse than Hihn? I think so.
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"That's because the First Amendment protects the right of privately operated platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube to decide for themselves what sort of speech they want to host."
Private individuals should be able to sue Meta, Twitter, and Google for breach of contract--especially if any of those services deplatform users or restrict content that was within the terms of service at the time it was created. Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube have a contractual obligation to the people who create content for their platforms, and the enforcement of those contracts may be (and maybe should be) subject to Texas law. Meta, Twitter, and YouTube have First Amendment rights, and individual content creators in Texas have legitimate contract rights, too.
I sure hope that FacePoooo gives you your $0,000.00 back, Ken! Also I hope that FacePoooo will grease your palms (or those of your friends and family) when they need to hire 100,000 flunkies to administer the micro-managing unique moderation laws of 10,000 different cities, states, and counties throughout our "Land of the Free, and Home of the Brave"!
It sure doesn't sound like you read any TOS, which... how irresponsible. Who doesn't read the TOS?
Aren't you going to be surprised when your mouth is sewn to some Asian guy's asshole.
Last I checked, Trump isn't Asian.
Lol.
In Ken's defense, Trump doesn't consume roughage. I think it has all been building up inside since the 1980s, seeping slowly out his pores, making him literally full of shit and literally a walking asshole.
It sure sounds like you're ignorant in basic contract law and unconscionable clauses
This remains a completely idiotic argument.
Web service "contracts" confer essentially no rights upon the user. They are blanket disclaimers of responsibility, and blanket reservations of authority to do whatever they want. For example:
Youtube https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms
"Content is the responsibility of the person or entity that provides it to the Service. YouTube is under no obligation to host or serve Content. If you see any Content you believe does not comply with this Agreement, including by violating the Community Guidelines or the law, you can report it to us."
"If we reasonably believe that any Content is in breach of this Agreement or may cause harm to YouTube, our users, or third parties, we may remove or take down that Content in our discretion."
Just admit you want to file frivolous lawsuits to hurt companies you don't like.
No, Ken has a point here. If some tech company, or anyone really, breaks a contract, then that person ought to be held accountable. Thing is though, I don't think TOS statements are the same as legally binding contracts. It's more like the "No Shirt No Shoes No Service" sign on a storefront window, a statement of what's allowable here and what's not. Now, when there is money exchanged, such as in the case of Youtube creators with monetized channels or whatever it is that they have, then I imagine there is some type of contract for that specific financial arrangement.
Is there even a specific, legally binding contract between, say, Facebook and your typical Facebook user? Other than the usual requirements for any business?
https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms
"We hope that you will continue using our Products, but if you do not agree to our updated Terms and no longer want to be a part of the Facebook community, you can delete your account at any time."
Meaning FacePoooo can say "We updated our contract, as we reserved the right to do, and so, fuck OFF with your whining! AND we will give you your $0,000.00 back!"
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A lot of what you think is based on ignorance.
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This is the corollary to the Section-230-evul argument. The breach of contract they intend to sue for concerns only those matters that 230 immunizes against. That is:
Removal of content.
If a Youtube video is monetized, and Youtube removes it, under the terms I quoted there's no contract breach. I can't imagine Youtube('s Google masters' legal department) is crazy enough to breach its own terms of service in normal business practice, so any non-public contracts between Youtube and the owner of a channel (I don't even know if there are any) would not be to the contrary.
Youtube is liable for breach of contract. It's just not liable for breach of contract for taking down content. And killing Section 230, or Ken's that-but-nicer-language troll-feeding proposal here, aren't going to change that, because there still is not and never will be an enforceable promise by Youtube to host your shit.
The breach of contract they intend to sue for concerns only those matters that 230 immunizes against. That is:
Removal of content.
And this is the typical socialist lie about the law being the law and, especially laws regulating free speech, having *only* the intended affect.
Go ahead, explain to us how the Congress passing a law that violates the 1A but grants 'Good Samaritan' protections to the Klan's speech wouldn't be chilling to free speech.
Bullshit strawman. What's the unintended effect here? Internet companies don't treat you with the equivalent of the Fairness Doctrine? That's not an unintended effect, that's how free speech works. You can't tell the owner of a board what third party content to post or leave up. That's what would violate the First Amendment, like the Fairness Doctrine did.
And you're the progressive on this issue.
Are you offended by the law having "Good Samaritan" provisions? The term is a hell of a lot older than Section 230. It just means the exception has an act/intent requirement that the law intends to permit/encourage. Specifically, the Section 230 one is encouraging owners of internet forums to police third party content for offensive/smut/etc, which is the reversal from the Prodigy case, which punished them for it.
Should Congress grant Good Samaritan protections to the KKK's speech? Yes or no.
Specifically, the Section 230 one is encouraging owners of internet forums to police third party content for offensive/smut/etc,
Congress passed a law to encourage the removal of otherwise legal speech from the internet.
which is the reversal from the Prodigy case, which punished them for it.
The Prodigy case wasn't actually about smut. But, being so knowledgeable about contract law, The Parable of The Good Samaritan, 'Good Samaritan' clauses in various legislation, and content creation/licensing, you already knew this and are just playing stupid in order to defend Congress' actions. Like any good progressive would.
Correct. More specifically, they sought to neuter any legal disincentive to removing such content. They affirmatively require removal of stuff like child pornography, but what Section 230 guarantees is permitted is the owner's removal of whatever the owner wants, effectively all the way down to trolling. Which is what the rule should be because it's their board. You wanting to change that is what makes you a socialist.
Do you really think this is persuasive? Are you seriously attempting a gotcha from me saying "offensive/smut/etc" to "The Prodigy case wasn't actually about smut"?
No shit, imagine why the previous statement was a list ending in etc, you petulant twit.
I remember you being a lot more polite in your subject matter. Are you an ignorant blusterer like your master?
Just admit you want to file frivolous lawsuits to hurt companies you don't like.
We'll just ignore ADA lawsuits because we're all friends here.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. ADA is a frequently-abused law.
Most of the Republicans-delivering-Democrat-policies end up like that because the actual conservatives get outflanked by morons in their own party, and a Congressional supermajority passes something with obscenely stupid features that the Republicans, with conservatives steering the boat, could have curtailed. For example, the Nixon-era environmental laws, ADA, and here, your proposed disemboweling of Section 230. In what universe do you think exposing people on the internet to more liability results in smaller government or more freedom for individuals? It's reverse-tort-reform.
It's hilarious how eager you are for global socialist cock
https://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/2/2-302
Please learn the basics of contract law.
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/what-is-an-unconscionable-contract.html
In case you can't get around paywalls.
Even if you convinced (what would undoubtedly be) a hack judge to throw out an internet terms of service agreement as unconscionable in the context of content takedown, you still lack a claim against them.
"Defendant took my posting off his board" is not actionable. Unless he promised to keep it up. Which could only be in the contract you made with him. Which in the hypothetical, you just got voided.
Please don't pretend to be anything besides ignorant of the law.
Please don't pretend to be anything besides ignorant of the law.
Please don't pretend to know the law if you don't know how content creation works.
A contract that says we own your property as long as it's profitable and you assume *all* liability for the distribution that we control is fundamentally unconscionable. And I don't mean some abstract 'I can't imagine it' 'unconscionable' I mean, literally, people sue their agent and their record label, and win, all the time for such bullshit. Somehow, we've managed to have a publishing and music industry without Section 230, but we'd somehow lose the totality of free speech, most of which it doesn't even protect, without it.
They don't own your intellectual property they control the posting. You seem to know just enough law to be a dangerous liar on this issue.
And you're making another stupid strawman. Section 230 protects forums like this, which would be prohibitively stupid liabilities to maintain for most websites, in its absence. The world would not die if Section 230 fell, just major beneficial parts of the internet as we know it.
They don't own your intellectual property they control the posting. You seem to know just enough law to be a dangerous liar on this issue.
And you don't read the TOS:
Again, publishers, record labels, agents, and even fellow artists get sued for this shit all the time. And, somehow, we still have books, music, movies, and television.
The world would not die if Section 230 fell, just major beneficial parts of the internet as we know it.
Right. It's not essential to free speech, on the internet or otherwise, it's just protecting the parts Congress finds beneficial.
The world would not die if Section 230 fell, just major beneficial parts of the internet as we know it.
Only a progressive would conceptualize Congress' proper role as passing laws to grant benefits rather than just prevent utter destruction.
The utter destruction prevented by Section 230 literally includes this comments section on Reason.com.
You claimed they own your property. They don't. They require a license to use it in the way you posting your IP on their platform entails. If they don't have a license, distributing (i.e. displaying) copyrighted material is copyright infringement.
Do they get more license rights on top of the necessities? You bet! And considering the price you, the uploader, sold your license at is $0, it's a shitty argument to assert that such a deal is unconscionable.
YouTube probably still has the clause that says they can change the terms of the contract any time they want, as well. Those clauses are routinely ignored by the courts because if one party to a contract can change the terms anytime they like, there are no enforceable terms.
If you honor the terms of a contract for years and years and years and years, at some point, you accept the obligations of that contract. And, at the very least, that's what YouTube does.
The paper boy keeps delivering the paper that the last resident ordered, and you pick it up and read it every day for one year, two years, three years, and you always pay for it when he comes to collect the bill every six months. But six months after the third year, you decide not to pay for the last six months--because there was no contract?
Bullshit. His past performance fulfilled his part of the contract, and you are contractually obligated to him because of your acceptance of his performance.
I'm not saying that YouTube doesn't have a right to take down content it doesn't like, but that doesn't mean they don't owe the content creator any kind of compensation for investing the time, effort, and money in their platform--when the content was perfectly permissible under their terms of use.
Where did Youtube promise you not to take down content "perfectly permissible under their terms of use"?
They didn't.
The idea of there being "perfectly permissible" content is irrelevant when they expressly reserve the right to take down whatever they want, in their discretion.
What Ken proposes is the dark side of the law. Making shit up based on alleged reliance interests, getting your sob story heard by the wrong judge, and having a new surprise, un-legal liability imposed on the defendant by a court sitting in equity. It's how we ended up with emotional damages, emanations, and penumbras. Stop, before the Dark Side destroys you or anyone else.
Now do the business that "expressly reserves the right" to not serve people of color, or homosexuals.
"Public accommodation" laws should apply to politically "unwanted" content, too.
The problem is that these platforms discriminate against one side of the political spectrum, while allowing the other side to say, or post, exactly the same type of "harmful" material, with impunity, while living under the protection of the government, through Section 230.
If you are protected from liability by government action, you become an agent of government and should have to conform to the First Amendment's demand that political speech not be prohibited.
Real conservatives and libertarians recognized the inherently dubious nature of public accommodations laws. Be like Goldwater, not Bernie.
And the oppression you feel when stupid anti vaccine shit you want to post on Facebook is not blocked is comparable to the Black experience in Jim Crow South, which is the Constitutional factual predicate for even those dubious public accommodations laws.
*is blocked
Making shit up based on alleged reliance interests
You mean like calling the people doing the censoring 'Good Samaritans' and acting in good faith? That's how the parable goes, right? The Good Samaritan sees a Jewish traveler, beaten and bleeding on the side of the road and, despite Jews and Samaritans despising one another, the Samaritan stops to make sure the injured Jew isn't saying something a Samaritan would disagree with or find offensive.
I mean, even the last paragraph, if I had to guess between the Sith and the Jedi, which side favored emotional damages and prenumbras and which side opposed, your comment would make you the Sith Lord trying to portray the Jedi as corrupt and weak.
You really have a hard on for this "Good Samartian" analogy. It's in countless laws, it's not a moral statement as to the acting party, it's highlighting which conduct the structure of the protection/exemption wants to encourage. Section 230 encourages owners of boards to police their third party content for harmful/smut/whatever.
And no, the Sith are the ones who ignore the rules and/or twist them to get what they want. They make the law serve them. Progressive judicial philosophy, and yours on this issue. My point in these comments (you've vociferously opposed) is that even in the absence of Section 230 you have no common law claim against an entity for taking down your posting on its board. The basis for anyone thinking otherwise was a mistaken analogy to newspaper-specific defamation cases, where the newspaper selecting and amplifying a third party's defamatory expression was sufficient for liability. Even if Section 230 is repealed, the stupid district court decisions along those lines were just early examples, not national rules.
The correct common law rule is that Reason isn't liable for the stupid shit you post here, even if they take down smut postings.
That the stupid Trumpkins have glommed on to repealing Section 230 will go another step and make internet companies liable for takedowns rather than for the content of the postings is just more underpants gnomes planning. Completely baseless.
If you get rid of Section 230, then companies are newly subject to existing liability for third party content, like defamation. Which can't possibly be triggered by a content takedown. You need a new made up legal theory for that, like Ken's Sith plot.
You really have a hard on for this "Good Samartian" analogy.
Because, for S230, it's not an analogy. Its use in other laws is true to the parable. A doctor who saves a criminal bleeding in the street or trying and failing to save someone robbed by a criminal isn't an analogy. It's a living embodiment of the Good Samaritan. Facebook censoring someone for speech they don't like is the opposite of the theme, context, and letter of The Good Samaritan.
Moreover, there is no Federal Good Samaritan provision. And, since we're on the topic, what other parts of The Bible do you advocate Congress writing into law?
I'm sorry an exception to liability for behavior intended to be decriminalized is colloquially referred to as a "Good Samaritan" provision, to the extent it triggers you and provides an irrelevant stumbling block in your path to address substantive issues.
Yes, 100%. These laws are terrible, but Twitfacetube et. al. need to continue to be sued in court for Terms of Service violations from their content creators and/or people who become targets of Twitfacetube. And I'd like to see LOTS of discovery in these trials. lots of it.
Which TOS provision are they violating? The one that says you as a consumer have no rights, or the one that says you as a consumer can suck their big tech cock until your ass bleeds?
TOS violations. You know a child slave is coming up with these talking points in some foreign hovel, right? You ever consider examining the logic before regurgitating them?
It is like all the idiots were told by the DNC to say the same retarded thing.
IMO, Twitfacetube, while problematic, isn't the problem.
Section 230 is a prima facie violation of the 1A from all sorts of angles, including angles that Progressives at the time opposed and would otherwise oppose.
Just imagine if Hawley and Sinema got together and wrote a subsection of a bill titled "Protection For 'Sodom and Gamorrah' Blocking and Screening of Offensive Material" and SCOTUS struck down the entirety of the bill except for the specific subsection. Then imagine advocates of the subsection calling the people who oppose it progressives.
Ooh, maybe they can sue for $0,000.00 in damages, since that is what they paid for their accounts on Meta, Twitter, or Google.
We can just take the cash value of our data straight from you
Right. The way Huey Lewis should've sued Ray Parker Jr. for $0,000.000 because that's what he paid for Ray Parker Jr. to rip off his work.
Good God are you people stupid.
FB et al may not have a contract with users, but they SHOULD have one, and be held accountable to it. Further, each site should be required to choose to be open platform or published material in that contract, and be held legally accountable for their behavior as such. Their choice should be clearly and openly displayed so the users know what type of rubbish they are reading.
Such contracts must not be arbitrarily modified by the site or changed too frequently. Imagine if the bank arbitrarily changed your mortgage contract.
They do have a contract.
They have terms of service.
Contracts don't need to be executed by both parties in order to be valid and enforceable.
"In a unilateral contract, the offeror promises to pay for specified acts that can be open requests, random, or optional for other parties involved.
Unilateral contracts are considered enforceable by contract law. However, legal issues typically do not arise until the offeree claims to be eligible for remuneration tied to acts or occurrences.
As such, legal contestation generally involves cases where the offering party refuses to pay the offered sum. The determination of contract breach would then depend on whether or not the terms of the contract were clear and if it can be proven that the offeree is eligible for payment of specified acts based on the contract’s provisions.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/u/unilateral-contract.asp
If you put up a sign for a lost puppy with a reward of $100, OTBE, you are contractually obligated to pay the person who brings you your lost puppy $100.
YouTube said you could use their platform to make a video so long as it doesn't contain A, B, C, or D--and then they sold advertising on top of your content and used it to bring more viewers onto their website. You continue to make content like that every day, and your old content continues to generate revenue for both you and YouTube--right up until YouTube says that they're taking your content down and kicking you off the site because your old content contains E and F.
YouTube has contractual obligations to their content creators, those contractual obligations can be breached, and civil court is the right place to make the determination of whether YouTube breached its contractual obligations. If some judge somewhere once said otherwise, that isn't the first time a judge interpreted a law incorrectly, and it won't be the last. Sometimes bad decisions are made by judges. Over time, that issue should be corrected on appeal.
If Facebook doesn't like it, they should build their own red state.
I look forward to the state forcing FOX News to report facts for a change.
Let's pretend for moment that I agree with your assessment. This law isn't attempting to force Brian Sthtelter to report facts, it's trying to force the social media companies to stop banning things that they believe are non-factual-- but often end up being factual.
As much as Sthtelter is a bona fide and verified liar, it would never occur to me to have him banned from the air. That's what makes people like me better than people like him.
So you want the state to force private media companies to publish content they don't want to publish.
I can't get the taste of freedom out of my mouth.
If they select what they publish they are editors and loose all section 230 protections. So all of the blm/antifa rioting that was planned on their platform that they did not remove, they are liable for
But not the Republican insurrection or vaccine denial?
Almost a successful dodge, except you're full of shit as usual.
bingo
"If they select what they publish they are editors and loose all section 230 protections."
If they eat meat, they lose all rights to keep pets, so we will confiscate, kill, and eat their pets! 'Cause we are authoritarians with GIANT punishment boners, and we LOVE to PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH people who piss us off!!!
Ye totalitarians and authoritarians can NOT hide from those of us who observe and THINK!!!
Silicon valley claims they aren't media companies.
I hope they all die in a fire. Facebook has nearly destroyed democracy in the world. Fuck them.
Frankly I'm glad you've decided to become a socialist. Little did I know all it would take is a private company kicking Donald Trump off its property.
You should have a lot of evidence correlating different country’s adoption of Facebook with the decline of their democracy.
Funny how I haven’t seen any of it.
I know you progressives never pull false narratives out of your ass.
This seems pretty similar to what progressives claimed to have wanted via the Fairness Doctrine and talk radio. Do you agree, Tony?
And, IMHO, it's fine by me for neither to be enacted. The First Amendment doesn't stop mattering just because I don't like what Facebook is choosing to ban.
Something has to be done about the spread of propaganda on social media. At least the propaganda being spread by Russia and China. I'm OK with American propaganda. It would be nice if the Republican party hadn't immediately jumped into bed with the former the moment they sided with Trump, but there hasn't been a moment in my lifetime when Republicans weren't also trying to wreck the US, so I don't know why I'm surprised.
Something has to be done about the spread of propaganda on social media. At least the propaganda being spread by Russia and China. I'm OK with American propaganda.
Who are the xenophobes again?
What you really mean is that you're okay with leftist propaganda. That's the only way a person can be for the Fairness Doctrine when it comes to mass media but against a basically identical policy when it comes to social media.
So you want the state to force private media companies to publish content they don't want to publish.
Just like the state forces private companies to serve people they don't want to serve, who happen to be of a "protected" species.
Political speech is protected under the First Amendment and it should not be allowed to be prohibited in such a discriminatory manner.
Can a business refuse to serve people of color, or homosexuals, if the reason used is that they don' t have the same political position as the owner?
Let's pretend for a moment that his statement is genuine. He's eager for the state to force FOX News to report facts.
Let's pretend for a moment that his statement is facetious. He's lamenting that the state isn't forcing FOX News to report facts.
How many media organizations obsessed over the utterly false Russiagate thing?
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to prohibit these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/#comment-8316852
This one did. And has yet to issue any sort of apology for its dishonest reporting
I look forward to the Rittenhouse defamation lawsuits.
I think slander is an impeachable offense.
Rittenhouse appears to be unenthusiastic about these. Im sure the lawyers who see Billion $ fees will make him see sense.
Frivolous lawsuits against companies we don't like.
Create your own "safe and error-free" environment, "Reporters" without Borders.
Under French law. Which other aspects of French law shall we import?
I like the one where we get to behead aristocrats.
Of course you do.
You wouldn't even have a mental concept of "liberty" if those heads hadn't rolled.
Pompous AND stupid. Double threat guy.
Those heads rolled about 13 years after we declared our independence.
holy shit, you are very dumb
We will start with Biden and harris
Which other aspects of French law shall we import?
The 'Good Samaritan' is auspiciously straight from Jesus' lips. Even, according to some, allegorical. What other aspects of The Bible shall we import? What other aspects of Jesus' life/ethics should The Government enforce?
Do unto others before they do it unto you.
Excellent Ruling... Keep the Government AWAY from the Press.
Anyone who thinks throwing government into the process of the press is going to save them from a Nazi-Press is fooling themselves. [WE] Power-Mad mobs of Gov-Guns isn't going to save this nations dysfunction. Ending current Nazi-Law and obeying the US Constitution will.
Facebook and Twitter are not the press, so fuck off and die you marxist scum.
What they are is free-market private property that not a single person/company is FORCED to use. End any/all Gov props for them and move on...
Are people of color or homosexuals FORCED to use the businesses that might want to refuse them service?
The businesses are sure FORCED to serve them.
By all means, end the prop of Section 230, which is misused by the courts to protect discriminatory actions by non-in-good-faith censorship of political opinions.
I wasn't a big fan of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (written by Democrats) FORCING business to serve against their own-will either.
End any/all Gov props for them and move on...
Right. Repeal S230 and move on. I think something like 'loser pays' or a more fundamental change to civil law is more important and necessary anyway.
Excellent Ruling... Keep the Government AWAY from the Press.
Except for S230, then explicitly keep the government on the press's 6 in order to, uh, back them up. Should they, uh, you know, need defending. Yeah, on their 6 to defend them, totally not to fuck them in the ass like they beg for on TV.
Glad to see the faux libertarian conservatives have moved on from their initial position of:
it’s ok for a state government to restrict a private corporations’s speech rights when we think without proof that the federal government is coercing the corporation into the restrictions on users, but not ok for a private corporation to restrict speech on users because we think without proof that the federal government is coercing the private restriction; to:
Sue their asses on contractual grounds (nevermind whether there are any and even if there are whether damages can be proven to a degree to induce a competent attorney to even take it on);
These social media first amendment red state law articles are such a breath of fresh air because it’s the lefties actually winning arguments and the righties engaging in logical gymnastics and deflection and then giving up rather than exalting in their typical ad hominem circle jerk.
Glad to see the faux libertarian conservatives have moved on from their initial position of...
Glad to see the faux libertarian progressives have moved on from their initial positions of "The government has no business regulating smut." and "Separation of Church and State" to "Congress using Jesus' parable of The Good Samaritan to rid the internet of smut is t awesome!"
Re: "[USDC Judge] Pitman was responding to a lawsuit that two trade associations"
The judge is not a party and doesn't respond. He holds hearings and issues rulings. He is supposed to be impartial.
The defendant (or opponent to a motion) would respond.
These companies act as sovereign nations and as the new woke head of Twitter said..the Bill of Rights does not apply to them. They are a threat to liberty and should not be allowed to censor political speech period. The same NYC bolsheviks who funded these companies (hedge funds with "free" fed money) staff their Ivy league buddies and relatives as chief censors at these firms...they have an "old world" grudge against most European Americans and hire disproportionalty newer immigrant tribes but only those who have bought into the "America is a racist" country...and we all know who has been pushing that narrative since the 1930s
In other words, Marxism (Government Almighty taking over the properties, such as web sites, of those who built them or paid for them) is totally OK, just so long as we can cook up enough bad words about the "evil KKKorporations" who formerly owned the properties! And FUCK the stockholders too!!!
Hey Titus Bursitis! Marxism doesn't work! Never has, never will, unless you (??) genetically re-engineer humans and their behavioral tendencies, or some such!!!
"All is for the Hive; HAIL the Glorious HIVE!"
Check out "Hellstrom's Hive" some time... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellstrom%27s_Hive
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0765317729/reasonmagazinea-20/
End the Fed..and let's see who gets hedge fund money or if it even exists any more to any extent. cut off the head of the problem (NYC banksters) and the bolsheviks who run big tech will go away..back to the democratic party, NGOs, the media or academia. the communists are a big problem in America. Troyskyites have taken over as was predicted...
Only individuals have rights under the Constitution. Groups have no rights of any kind. Groups cannot vote, groups cannot subvert the political process (unions, etc.). Media may have free press rights, but those do not usurp individual rights of free speech and the corporations restricting free speech here are first, not media, and secondly, have no free speech rights. Find in the Constitution where organizations have speech or censorship rights... they don't exist. That said, activist courts have granted them in defiance of our Founding principles in too many cases...
Read up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#Opinion_of_the_court
So you support CU?
None of this matters anymore. We have TRUTH Social now. Trump used the free market to solve the problem of private social media censorship.
Texas screwed up by making it a simple prohibition.
The correct structure would be to set up a tax on social media platforms (say, $100 per registered Texan user per year, with a minimum threshold of $100 million), and then set up a couple of tax exemptions. Exemption #1 would be if they agree to waive Section 230 immunity in State of Texas courts, exemption #2 would be if they agree to behave as a telecommunications common carrier.
Then platforms could choose any of paying the tax, shutting down the accounts of Texan users, having the same legal liability as any other publisher in state courts, or behaving as a telecommunications common carrier.
The 22 other states with current Republican trifectas could then follow the example. That would then give large platforms the choice between paying lots of taxes, deliberately choosing to leave 40% of the US population only served by their competitors, accepting state court liability as a publisher for the user material they choose to transmit in 23 states, or behaving as a common carrier.
And both exemptions, critically, are viewpoint-neutral, and thus are perfectly acceptable under current First Amendment doctrine for state actions like tax exemptions . . . while attempts to by Democrats to construct state tax regimes to force platforms to control "misinformation" and "hate speech" would inherently violate viewpoint neutrality.
In the unlikely event this proposed state law wasn't simply preempted by Section 230, this proposal would likely fall under the dormant commerce clause. It's not a favored doctrine, but it's not dead yet.
But presumably whatever replaces the dormant commerce clause would also restrict state tax proposals premised on nullifying federal law.
The tax as structured explicitly meets all the South Dakota v. Wayfair tests, so there's no Commerce Clause issue of any kind, and Section 230 says nothing about taxes.
And, bluntly, there's no sane analysis that characterizes the exemptions as "nullifying federal law". States are perfectly free to use the tax code to convince people to do things that Federal law does not compel them to do. At best, Section 230 might not allow companies to waive their liability immunity, in which case, they just can't take that exemption.
Wayfair had nothing to do with a state expressly suborning waiver of or non-compliance with federal law. That's the part you're excited about here, and that's the part that doesn't work.
I admit "nullifying" was an exaggeration. But your proposal is obviously intended to frustrate Section 230, and that's enough for preemption.
A very good approach. Force platforms to declare their status and hold them to it.
Those who crafted this legislation have their heart in the right place, they're just wrongheaded. There must be some way to achieve its aims without this self-contradiction.
^Exactly this...
Those who crafted this legislation have their heart in the right place, they're just wrongheaded. There must be some way to achieve its aims without this self-contradiction.
This statement applies equally* to S230 as it does the state law above. Get rid of S230 and people don't need to pass the law above whether their hearts were in the right place or not.
*Assuming undue good faith, which I don't have.
Our government schools (biased to support the political class), the binary nature of political parties due to lack of ranked choice voting, and the tribal nature (with their either for us, or against us attitude) of political parties, leads to failures of a lot of politicians to consider the libertarian policy options to defend our freedom. Abbot failed here, in his effort to prevent censorship of political speech (albeit by social media businesses) because he failed to consider libertarian options.
Reason and Sullum also failed us, in that no libertarian policy approaches were mentioned. Abbot might have made what Google/Apple did in declining to serve Parlar for its political views, similar to declining to serve someone for their race, religion, nationality or sex. Thus, blocking Google/Apple from using their market power (approaching a monopoly) to restrict competition. I'm sure there's more libertarian policy options out there. How come Reason isn't informing us of some of them?
Isn't it Reason's job to free minds by making people aware of libertarian policy alternatives??? Sullum and Reason failed us here. Reminds me of politicians promising prosperity, without telling us what policies they plan to implement to make it so, and just criticizing and disparaging the other guys.
I'm sure there's more libertarian policy options out there. How come Reason isn't informing us of some of them?
Few libertarians on staff, and those few are not very creative as proponents of liberty.
What libertarian writers work for this site? None im aware of...
for me the solution was to delete my facebook & twitter accounts. i can't support a company / platform that runs on censorship. i agree that these companies have a right to their own form of moderation, but i disagree with their policy. so i'll just not participate. personally i think these social media platforms should be wide open with no moderation -- but that's just me. i know how to use the page down key.
Fuck twitter-facebook. They are the landfills for progressive shit posters
good
Hey Goldilicks GorillaShit!
"Bake me a gay wedding cake, in "YOUR" cake shop, or I will run and cry to Government Almighty!"
"KEEP my racist, potty-mouthed awfully-long rant up and posted, on "YOUR" web site, or I will run and cry to Government Almighty!"
WHO are the whiners and crybabies above? Could it possibly be BOTH of them?
Post us a link, lazy Goldilicks GorillaShit, so that readers can have an EASY time of deciding whether or not we will help you to cry about this news item!
"A "private" corporation whose entire existence is bestowed by government ..."
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer… No matter HOW many times you tell your “Big Lie”, it is NOT true! You’re part of the mob, aren’t you, gangster? For a small fee, you tell small businesses that you will “protect” them… From you and your mob! Refute the below, ye greedy authoritarian who wants to shit all over the concept of private property!
Look, I’ll make it pretty simple for simpletons. A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!
In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!
Wow, just THINK of what we could do with this logic! Government Almighty is “protecting” you from getting sued in matters concerning who you chose to date or marry… In matters concerning what line of work you chose… What you eat and drink… What you read… What you think… Therefore, Government Almighty should be able to boss you around on ALL of these matters, and more! The only limits are the imaginations and power-lusts of politicians!
Again, sarcasmic doesn't understand what anyone is talking about, but is desperate to troll.
google it, dumbfuck