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Food Policy

United Nations Official Suggests Elon Musk Donation Could Solve Global Hunger (Kinda)

How much good can $6 billion really do?

Baylen Linnekin | 11.6.2021 8:20 AM

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Last month, a top United Nations official suggested in a tweet that Elon Musk, the billionaire inventor and entrepreneur, could eliminate global hunger if he would just give the U.N. 2 percent of his wealth—or around $6 billion.

In an October 19 tweet, David* Beasley, who leads the U.N. World Food Programme (WFP), congratulated Musk for passing Amazon founder Jeff Bezos for the title of world's wealthiest person—Musk's estimated to be worth around $300 billion—while also asking Musk to help the WFP "help us save 42M people from starvation for just $6.6B!!"

Musk responded, explaining in a series of tweets that he would be willing to sell $6 billion of stock in Tesla, the electric-car company he founded, if the WFP—which was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize last year—would detail publicly how the body would use the money to end global hunger.

"Please publish your current & proposed spending in detail so people can see exactly where money goes," Musk tweeted in response. "Sunlight is a wonderful thing." 

"But it must be open source accounting, so the public sees precisely how the money is spent," he also tweeted. 

While no one could blame Beasley for shooting his shot—I could do a lot of good with 2 percent of Musk's money, too—Beasley quickly dampened expectations for what results the WFP could achieve with $6 billion. In a tweet responding to Musk, Beasley labeled headlines about his request inaccurate, noting "$6B will not solve world hunger, but it WILL prevent geopolitical instability, mass migration and save 42 million people on the brink of starvation."

Indeed, while $6 billion is a big number, it's not "end hunger" big. For example, I wrote recently about SNAP—formerly known as food stamps—an $85-billion-per-year U.S. Department of Agriculture program that's designed to provide adequate food to Americans who might otherwise be unable to purchase it. The USDA's total overall 2021 budget is $216 billion. $6 billion, while a huge number, is tiny by comparison.

In a more detailed response to Musk this week, Beasley presented a rough sketch of how the WFP would spend a Musk donation. "This $6.6 billion will help the very neediest of the needy in this way: 1 meal a day, which only costs us 43 cents on average to provide, for 42 million people, for one year as COVID recedes," Beasley explains. He promised an "extensive detailed plan" would follow in a matter of days.

Various critics have lashed out both at the WFP and Musk. Some pointed out that the WFP's budget last year was more than $8 billion—and that if the WFP couldn't end hunger for $8 billion, then how exactly is a few extra billion going to do the trick? 

As for the Musk critics, while some reports indicated it was "unclear whether Musk was serious about his offer," others are certain Musk's offer is insincere.

MSNBC commentator Hayes Brown, for example, found Musk's mere request that Beasley detail how his WFP donation would end global hunger to be just too much. Musk's offer is a "half-assed, entirely unserious move," Brown wrote in an opinion piece, titled "Elon Musk's offer to donate Tesla stock to world hunger is bogus."

While "Beasley jumped into the [Twitter] thread hoping to engage substantively," Brown writes, Musk's response—asking for details about how the WFP would spend his $6 billion donation—"all but accused the WFP of grift and opacity." Brown doesn't explain why he thinks that. If Musk were serious, Brown complains, Musk could've simply Googled how the WFP spends its funds to learn "that the program has already been clear about where the money goes." (Would Musk's donation simply go to the same place or places?) And, according to Brown, even if Musk's offer were serious, "it would still be shallow compared to what he could be doing with his money." Brown doesn't explain what Musk could be doing with his money that Brown might deem full-assed, non-bogus, and entirely serious.

Unlike Brown, I think that if Musk is indeed skeptical of the way the U.N. spends its money, his skepticism may be properly placed. After all, even some critics inside the U.N. accuse the organization of being "sclerotic, wasteful, adrift, paternalistic and patronizing."

Elon Musk is an inventor and innovator. From the little I know about him, I find it unlikely Musk would hand over billions of dollars so that top bureaucrats at gigantic public institutions such as the WFP can simply do more of what they've been doing. Does that sound like how Tesla or SpaceX or the Boring Company operates?

"You know how to make cars; we know how to feed people," Beasley wrote to Musk in yet another tweet.

No. Edsel knew how to make cars. Ford knows how to make cars. Musk knows how to change the car—and a lot of other facets of modern life—for the better.

The WFP may, as Beasley wrote, know how to feed people. But it doesn't know how to end hunger. That's why, instead of asking Elon Musk for money, Beasley should be asking him for ideas.

*Correction: This post originally referred to David Beasley by the incorrect first name. 

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Reason Foundation Senior Fellow Baylen Linnekin is a food lawyer, scholar, and adjunct law professor, as well as the author of Biting the Hands That Feed Us: How Fewer, Smarter Laws Would Make Our Food System More Sustainable (Island Press 2016).

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  1. SQRLSY One   4 years ago

    All sorts of troubles here, and VERY hard to solve! Throw $6 billion at it? Not so simple!

    Food aid (good in emergencies) displaces the need for local farmers, and their livelihoods.

    Food aid is glommed onto by local politician fat-cats, and re-directed to make money for them, reward friends, and withheld from (ethnic, political, religious) enemies.

    To "fix" the above item, you'd have to invade and "nation build", which is a bitch, as we should well know by now!

    There may be more, but I think I hit the lowest of the low spots already...

    The best we can do, is food aid ONLY in BIG emergencies, more free trade, and more free trade to include (at least) temporary immigration ("labor trade"), like the old "Bracero" program.

    (Elon, put your money into Space X instead, please!)

    1. Overt   4 years ago

      Agreed. It is noteworthy that the Grifters are always happy to promise the world on these sorts of things. "End world hunger for 2% of your wealth." It's the same BS Shaming that they do when calling for just another 2% tax rate on the wealthy.

      But they done fucked up. THey called out a single person, who could turn around and ask them to put their accounting where their mouth is. And of course, we see that their rhetoric was...imprecise?

      The Gates' have donated over $50 Billion to fixing poverty. Warren Buffet and others that joined "The Giving Pledge" have done much of the same. And yet we still have poverty and hunger.

      You will never buy people out of poverty. You can alleviate poverty, but you cannot buy them out of it. Being out of poverty means that your labor can either produce enough necessities for your household, or you that labor is valuable enough to trade for such necessities. Making people wealthy is something that only markets can do.

      To be sure, money can help pay for things that make markets possible. THey can help provide micro-loans and build lasting institutions necessary to solve for property rights. Unfortunately, we do not actually have a great track record of doing those things with charitable donations. And that is especially true among international organizations like the UN.

      1. SQRLSY One   4 years ago

        Overt, agreed and well written! Good mention of the micro-loans. I have read good things about that program. Reach down to the grass roots and bypass the grifters, is a great idea!

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      2. JesseAz   4 years ago

        It is because the money doesn't go to those in need. It goes to people using those people in need as a front. The modern homeless graft is front and center. Seattle spending enough government money alone to give every homeless there 50k a year. But it instead goes to political groups.

        Remember that scam about 2 decades back to raise funds for breast cancer awareness? Bracelets, hats, shirts with I Heart Boobies? They got sued for giving under 2% to brrast cancer research and the told the courts they were just making people aware of breast cancer. That's the scam.

        It is just the non violent version of African warlords taking all UN food aid and deciding where it goes, keeping most for themselves to sell. Then the UN increases the amount in response. It is all political graft.

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        2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 years ago

          "" Seattle spending enough government money alone to give every homeless there 50k a year. But it instead goes to political groups. ""

          It's trickle down economics. The people who need it, see little of it.

      3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   4 years ago

        No one ever bothers to notice that the 2% actually makes world hunger worse.

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    2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

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      1. R Mac   4 years ago

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      2. Squirrelloid   4 years ago

        I know, I read the post, and had to do a double-take at the poster.

        1. Ben of Houston   4 years ago

          Yeah, I forget that he's a good writer when he's not practicing his satire.

    3. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   4 years ago

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  3. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "$6B will not solve world hunger, but it WILL prevent geopolitical instability, mass migration and save 42 million people on the brink of starvation."

    Wait just a minute here. Prevent mass migration?! That's a terrible idea.

    Mass migration — especially of Black and Brown bodies into the US — should in fact be promoted. It's the easiest way for billionaire employers like Reason.com's benefactor Charles Koch to expand their pool of cost-effective labor.

    #LibertariansForGeopoliticalInstability

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Perhaps just give brother Koch the $6 billion, and cut out the middleman.

      1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

        Well, Koch / Reason libertarianism is focused far more on making Mr. Koch's life better than on making hungry poor people's lives better. So your proposal is intriguing.

    2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      But anyway, yeah, isn't it encouraging how well Musk is doing in this Biden economy? As a Koch / Reason libertarian I voted for Biden primarily because I knew he'd be great for billionaires. But even I have been surprised by how efficiently the #BidenBoom is concentrating wealth at the very top.

      #InDefenseOfBillionaires

  4. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

    The $6 billion would be better served developing the means of settling Mars.

    1. Entelechy   4 years ago

      If Elon wants to save people from starvation he should vest those Tesla gigabucks in the Norman Borlaug Foundation

      Forget 46 million. The seed money the Rockefeller Foundation invested in his green revolution has already saved billions from famine and crop failure.

      1. kcuch   4 years ago

        Charles Mann's Wizards and Prophets are Daniel Quinn's Leavers and Takers.

  5. Chumby   4 years ago

    Musk should send them a check for $6.

    1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      Judging from the government largess Musk gets for cars that catch on fire on the roadways and rockets that blow up on the launch pad, the man must have trouble feeding himself.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        Good to know you are keeping abreast of the real world.

        1. Steevie   4 years ago

          And you are SO good at facts.

          https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-fires/

          1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            LOL did you read it?
            the reason Tesla is still selling major units is that Teslas don’t actually catch fire often. In the year 2019, the United States experienced close to 190,000 vehicle fires. Teslas only accounted for a small portion of the total amount of vehicle fires.

          2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

            The article below this article said the fire took three hours to put out. How much pollutant does this put into the ecosphere? And what about the number of rocket explosions annually from other rocket makers?

            And where do taxpayers go to get their money back for these?

            1. BillyG   4 years ago

              What tax money is being used?

              1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

                Elon Musk, Crony Capitalist
                https://reason.com/2016/04/28/elon-musk-crony-capitalist/

                Elon Musk, Welfare King!
                https://reason.com/podcast/2021/03/03/elon-musk-welfare-king/

        2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

          I that a tie-in with the above-mentioned breast cancer gift?

  6. Overt   4 years ago

    TL;DR: The Left did what it normally does- promises that if the Rich would just give X, they could solve Y. They are accustomed to using the bully pulpit to make these rhetorical Drive Bys in an attempt to drum up fundraising. Unfortunately, Musk has his own bully pulpit, and called their bluff by demanding to know how his $6 Billion will "solve world hunger".

    This is really just an example of an incompetent shame-monger. When you target the Rich to shame them into donating, you need to do just that: target the Rich, not an individual. You can always find a sympathetic, wealthy Lefty to echo your message. But when you target an individual, like Musk, he will 1) resent you calling him out in front of the public, 2) make you pay for your faux pas.

    It's like this guy has never done fund raising before.

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      And thisnis why the left must keep criticizing and fining religious charities. Can't let them get in the way or let people voluntarily do it.

      1. DesigNate   4 years ago

        I have it on good authority that people suck and are completely uncharitable, thus the need for government intervention. And pay no attention to the fact that markets opening up in previously closed communist areas has dragged billions out of poverty.

  7. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    The top billionaire tax Biden and the progressives were seeking to finance their $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill (to fight climate change among other things) would have targeted Musk's billions in unrealized capital gains, as well. When Dillinger was asked why he robbed banks, he's alleged to have replied, "Because that's where the money is", and it looks like the armed robbers in government follow the same rules. Someone should probably note that Elon Musk has done more to fight climate change--using investor's money rather than taxpayer money--than anything government has done or will do.

    Elon Musk has completely transformed the auto industry worldwide by creating an electric car solution to greenhouse gas emissions that people willingly wait for years to have delivered willingly pay a premium to buy. He's done the same thing with SpaceX, where he's blanketing the whole world with broadband internet access--alleviating the need for governments to finance broadband access anywhere. And he's financing it, again, with the money of private investors and by saving the taxpayers money on the cost of satellite launches and our space programs.

    Whatever Musk does with his unrealized capital gains, it's sure to benefit the American people more than whatever government chooses to do it with it when they rob him. I don't think the reason they're targeting him is because he's embarrassing world governments everywhere by solving our problems by eliminating the government's involvement. I think they're just targeting his wealth because they're greedy pigs and they want to spend his money. We should be clear about this connection though.

    Tesla is a far better, far more effective, and far more libertarian and capitalist solution to climate change than Biden's Green New Deal or anything the governments of Europe are proposing. In fact, the best argument against whatever subsidies Tesla has enjoyed is that the demand for Tesla's products was so abundant (and their waitlist so deep), that whatever subsidies Tesla enjoyed were completely unnecessary. Meanwhile, SpaceX isn't an example of crony capitalism in the least. It's an example of replacing government with private entrepreneurs--the anarcho-capitalist dream. SpaceX has saved the American taxpayer so much money, it's embarrassing NASA into irrelevance.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      I don't think the reason they're targeting him is because he's embarrassing world governments everywhere by solving our problems by eliminating the government's involvement. I think they're just targeting his wealth because they're greedy pigs and they want to spend his money. We should be clear about this connection though.
      For productive government workers, it is the latter. They believe in their cause, they do work hard and are productive. Their mission may be spurious, or even wrong, but they can point to positive accomplishments. For career government employees, it is the former. These folks exist to consume and control. Even destroy. They would take all Musk has and demand more.

    2. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

      "When Dillinger was asked why he robbed banks, he's alleged to have replied, "Because that's where the money is""

      I think that was Willie Sutton, and he said the newspapers made up the quote. So it depends on whether you believe a bank robber or the media.

  8. Weigel's Cock Ring   4 years ago

    As just about everyone with any sense has figured out by now, the biggest problem currently facing America at the present moment is that we no longer have a big enough labor force with the right kind of workers to sufficiently meet the demands of the country. Even if you consider a "YouTube Content Creator" to be an actual part of America's labor force, these people provide nowhere even close to the amount of real-world value that truck drivers do to our society.

    And our insane so-called "president" Sleepy Joe Biden's almost certainly unconstitutional attempt to ram his vaccine mandate down the throats of the entire country is almost certainly going to make this problem even worse, not better. Whether we like it or not, some working age people are simply not going to take the vaccine no matter what. Denying them the ability to be employed anywhere is not only sick and inhuman towards that individual, it is also horrible for our society as a whole at the present. Here's hoping this madness gets struck down by the courts, which it almost certainly will be.

    Let's Go Brandon. And fuck Joe Biden right in his earhole.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Fuck Joe Biden

    2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Let's Go Brandon

    3. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

      But most of the leftist acolytes who worship Saint Joe have no idea where things like food, energy, and the crap they order from Amazon actually come from, and the physical work done by people who make and deliver things. To them, content creator is perhaps more real, since they all focus on infotainment--and they all think they are qualified producers, deserving of rich reward.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        They really don't.
        Tony is a perfect example of that. He has zero historical background and claimed yesterday that FDR created the modern world. And a couple of months ago he stated solar and wind could replace fossil fuels, but evil oil companies didn't want that. When I asked him what happens on cloudy days and at night, he said "batteries".

    4. DesigNate   4 years ago

      Let’s go Brandon.

      And you have more faith in the Robert’s court than I do.

    5. BillyG   4 years ago

      "big enough labor force"

      Would be interesting to know why so many people have left the labor force. The labor participation rate is at a record low of 61.6%. We need to get people back to work instead of sitting on the side lines.

      1. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

        Everybody in WA is hiring but nobody wants to wear a mask for 8 hours a day while they do it.

  9. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

    "Please publish your current & proposed spending in detail so people can see exactly where money goes," Musk tweeted in response. "Sunlight is a wonderful thing."

    Lol, what an awesome response. The UN is the biggest grift generating machine in human history. Sunlight would do as much damage to it as a nuclear bomb.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

      The UN is the biggest grift generating machine in human history.

      Bullshit. The Catholic Church is. By hundreds of billions.

      1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        I'll see your Catholic Church, and raise you one CCP.

      2. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

        Are people forced to give the church money?

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          No, but besides being a purveyor of child pornography, dildo is also a bigot.

        2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

          People were forced to give to the Church when their property was forfeit after accusations of heresy and witchcraft.

          Also, The Catholic Church grifted untold amounts of property from endulgences of praying people's relatives and friends out of a Hell that doesn't exist.

          Fuck The Roman Catholic Church and Fuck The United Nations! Want to help feed the poor? Invest in private food companies that raise, grow, and create better and cheaper food continuously and which create jobs for the poor so they can buy food. Problem solved.

      3. Sevo   4 years ago

        Turd lies; it’s all he ever does. Turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lieshe posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        Turd lies; it’s what he does.

      4. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        "Bullshit. The Catholic Church is. By hundreds of billions."

        That doesn't even make sense. That's something some 14-year-old atheist would say. There's too much stupidity to unpack here, so explain yourself and we'll work with that.

      5. DesigNate   4 years ago

        Fuck off, bigot.

  10. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    It should be noted that people in more developed countries (with higher GDPs per capita) spend a much smaller percentage of their GDP per capita on food. The general rule is that the more developed your economy is, the less of their incomes your people need to spend on food, and because that's the general rule, the solution to world hunger isn't about confiscating money from the wealthy and spending it on the poor. The solution is development in poor countries.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-consumer-expenditure-spent-on-food-vs-gdp-per-capita

    Take a look at that data. It's a little older, but the data is presented extremely well--and the basic principle has always been the same. People in Canada, Ireland, Switzerland, the United States the U.K., spend less than 10% of their money on food. People in Kenya and Nigeria spend more than 50% of their money on food. If you look at the price for the same food around the world, you'll find that food in the United States is relatively cheap in world terms, too.

    If we want to see the people of Kenya and Nigeria enjoy the kind of food security we have in the developed world, then we need to figure out how to develop Kenya's and Nigeria's economies. Anyone who imagines that stealing from the rich and giving to the poor is the solution to that problem is either completely ignorant of what has happened in the world and why since the beginning of the 20th century--or they're being willfully obtuse.

    Capitalism makes economies grow.

    There has never been a time in history when more people were lifted out of the extreme poverty of subsistence level farming than over the last 20 years--which is when China joined the WTO and lifted hundreds of millions of its rural peasants out of poverty and brought them into the world's middle class. The UN shouldn't be trying to get Musk's money if it's trying to end world hunger. They should be trying to get Musk to build a Tesla plant in Kenya.

    1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

      "Anyone who imagines that stealing from the rich and giving to the poor is the solution to that problem is either completely ignorant of what has happened in the world and why since the beginning of the 20th century--or they're being willfully obtuse."

      Or they are true believers in socialist mediocrity, promoting a core value that nobody should ever have more than others--even if it means pulling everyone down to the bottom. The how and why of some people doing better, and the directly derived benefits to all of society, do not matter.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        You're not getting to people spending less than 10% of their income on food with socialist mediocrity. If they believe in that, it's a religious conviction kind of thing--without reference to facts, logic, or the world around them. They're just telling us about their feelings.

    2. mtrueman   4 years ago

      "They should be trying to get Musk to build a Tesla plant in Kenya."

      Tesla is a luxury car. The Chinese make much cheaper electric vehicles.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        What's that got to do with it? I'm sure they would be primarily for export at the start.
        Kenyans need good paying jobs more than they need their own electric vehicles.

        1. mtrueman   4 years ago

          "What's that got to do with it? "

          A cheaper car is more affordable than an expensive one.

          1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            An expensive car creates more jobs.

            1. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

              Mtrue is the kind of idiot who think the workers at rolls Royce are millionaires.

            2. mtrueman   4 years ago

              You want Kenyans to make cars but not own them. Henry Ford is rolling in his grave. China makes more affordable electric vehicles. Besides, Musk was born not in Kenya, but in South Africa and has citizenship to that great Republic, which has always been the leader in the auto manufacturing in Africa.

              1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                We want Kenyans to have jobs first you fantastic idiot. Jobs that they can afford to buy a Chevy with.

                Do you think that everyone who works for Lamborghini or Cadillac can afford one?
                Seriously, what the hell?

                1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                  "We want Kenyans to have jobs first you fantastic idiot."

                  I think it makes more sense for Kenyans to have jobs building cars they can afford than Teslas, Cadillacs or Lambourginis. This was Henry Ford's idea and he managed to make it a reality. China manages to build electric vehicles which are much more affordable than the luxury cars you would have Kenyans build. South Africa or Canada might be a better location for Tesla given Musk's personal knowledge and history and their more developed infrastructure and historical experience in auto manufacturing.

                  1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                    This isn't the 1910's and easy global shipping means Kenyans can get rich selling luxury vehicles to Americans and buying cheaper Korean cars for themselves.
                    What Ford did more than 100 years ago is no longer applicable.

                    1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                      There's nothing easy about global shipping. The Chinese spent over 3 billion $US on a high speed rail link between Nairobi, the capital, and Mombassa, the nation's principal port on the Indian ocean.

              2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

                Henry Ford utilized slave labor under both Nazi and Soviet systems, so those workers certainly couldn't afford Volkswagons or whatever bolt-bucket the Soviets drove. Fuck Henry Ford.

                1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                  That does it. No more Henry Ford statues, assembly lines or cars.

                  1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

                    Sounds good to me. FORD is an acronym for "Found On Road Dead" or "Fixed Or Repaired Daily."

                    And assembly doesn't necessarily need a line for mass production. The chassis could remain stationary while assembly machines could move around it and/or 3-D printers sprayed the parts on (where feizable.)

        2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

          Hundreds of millions of subsistence farming peasants being lifted out of poverty once China joined the WTO wasn't completely unrelated to exports either. If mtruman isn't a progressive troll, he's often indistinguishable from a troll who insists on having obvious things explained to him. "How could anyone know the obvious?", seems to be his default setting.

          1. Sevo   4 years ago

            mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
            "Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."

            He's certainly a troll; a smug and stupid one.

          2. mtrueman   4 years ago

            I think the UN agencies could spend their time more effectively than trying to persuade Musk to build luxury cars in Kenya.

            1. R Mac   4 years ago

              How?

              1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                More affordable cars? I think trying to persuade Musk to build luxury cars in Kenya is not going to solve the problem of world hunger.

                1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                  Then you're a fucking idiot. I can't understand how you don't get that the decent paying jobs are the important part. Not whether or not they can afford the luxury products they're making. Most average Europeans and Americans can't even do that without big loans.

                  1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                    You seem to be implying that the only jobs worth having are working for Tesla, Luis Vuitton, Chanel and other such luxury brands. I fervently disagree with you.

                    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                      That isn't what I implied at all and I'm pretty sure you know that. You're just mad that your asinine argument was dismantled, and are now flinging shit.

                2. R Mac   4 years ago

                  You want the UN to start building cars? That’s extra special there buddy.

                  1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                    "You want the UN to start building cars?"

                    No. I strenuously disagree with the idea that UN agencies should waste time and effort trying to persuade Musk to build a Tesla factory in Kenya.

            2. Brian   4 years ago

              I think UN agencies could spend their time more effectively.

              1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                I'll relay your concerns next chance I get.

      2. Brian   4 years ago

        But it’s hard to guilt trip China on Twitter.

    3. mtrueman   4 years ago

      "People in Canada, Ireland, Switzerland, the United States the U.K., spend less than 10% of their money on food."

      That's not what the chart says. Money spent on food consumed outside the home is not included. Money spent on food and drink consumed in restaurants, bars, cafes, or on the road isn't counted. This will give a false impression of the amount of money.

    4. kcuch   4 years ago

      we need to figure out how to develop Kenya's and Nigeria's economies.

      Replace whatever culture of theirs we are being told should be celebrated and added (to successful cultures) for its diversity with a culture that prioritizes the individual and his property rights, rule of law, and the NAP.

      Until that happens cultures of the Collective will always be lagging.

  11. Weigel's Cock Ring   4 years ago

    Oh, as far as eliminating world hunger goes, the only way we could ever come even close to doing that would be if it was possible to somehow kill every single dictator on earth and somehow replace every hellhole dictatorship in the world with a truly fair and representative government.

    This of course is completely impossible. It's basically what we tried to do in Afghanistan, and we completely failed, because most of the people don't actually want an honest, representative, pluralistic, western style democratic republican form of government. They want a dictatorship of their team that will keep all the spoils for themselves and punish their kill their enemies. Sadly, this describes what a lot of people in the world actually believe. The losers of the big power game will go on starving, forever.

    1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

      Well, we could have killed everyone in Afghanistan, and put an end to hunger there.

      1. kevrob   4 years ago

        ...they make a desert and call it peace. - Tacitus, quoting the Calidonian Briton, Calgacus.

    2. mtrueman   4 years ago

      "Oh, as far as eliminating world hunger goes, the only way we could ever come even close to doing that would be if it was possible to somehow kill every single dictator on earth and somehow replace every hellhole dictatorship in the world with a truly fair and representative government."

      India is home to one sixth of the world's population and a very large portion of the world's hungry. It has a democratically elected government.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        It has a democratically elected *SOCIALIST* government.

        Fixed.

      2. American Mongrel   4 years ago

        I think the second part of his argument is more sound and applies to all types of government.

      3. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

        India's starvation comes from giving cattle first dibs on crops because they think Old Bossy was Great-Grandma in a previous life.

        As The Musical Genius put it: "When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way."
        https://youtu.be/7_tmeHCO1IM

        1. mtrueman   4 years ago

          There's enough food in India to fill the stomachs of cows and humans alike. I've said it before, the problem isn't lack of food, it's inadequate distribution. At the same time as India is home to the greatest number of the world's hungry, the country is simultaneously seeing a large and growing problem with obesity, some 130 million according to my internet sources.

  12. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

    "MSNBC commentator Hayes Brown, for example, found Musk's mere request that Beasley detail how his WFP donation would end global hunger to be just too much."

    Of course Brown found Musk's request for practical details to be too much, just like the pope would find a request for practical details for entry to heaven. In both the UN and the church (and all other socialist organizations), advocates simply believe, and only heretics would ever question doctrine, either general or specific claims.

    1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      They don't actually want to solve real problems. They just want to talk about their feelings.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        Yes. Solving real problems would eliminate their income stream. They have a fiscal incentive not to solve the problems they profess to be addressing.

        Just like actually addressing racism and poverty would bankrupt the DNC PACs like the NAACP.

    2. mtrueman   4 years ago

      The key to entry into heaven is outlined in the Lord's Prayer. The problem with hunger is that wealth and money alone will not solve it.

      1. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

        Got any data, and mathematical analysis for ROI of prayer?

        1. mtrueman   4 years ago

          Prayer isn't an investment. And you can enter the Kingdom of Heaven without ever praying. The Lord's Prayer tells you everything you need to know: faith and forgiveness.

          1. kevrob   4 years ago

            ...and if you would just importune Dread Cthulhu perhaps he would deign to eat you first.

            1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

              Don'cha know? "Cthulu Saves!...In case he gets hungry later!" 🙂

              1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

                Cthulhu, that is. With him, youcdon't say what you want and still have to spell his name right! 😉

      2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

        Heaven and God do not exist, M'Lady, though freedom and investment in food could exist if governments would leave them alone.

        1. mtrueman   4 years ago

          "if governments would leave them alone."

          You just said they don't exist.

          1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

            By "them", I mean freedom and investment. Sorry for the confusion created by the phrasing.

  13. Brandybuck   4 years ago

    The United States increased spending by several TRILLION DOLLARS just in the last two years.

    So if all it takes is a mere six billion to solve world hunger, why bitch at Musk when you could bitch at Trump/Biden for not spending the tiniest fraction of their budget on solving that problem?

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Libertarians calling for spending against a winless war. Yeap. Definitely a brandy comment. We already spent so just spend more!

    2. American Socia1ist   4 years ago

      Dumb comment Brandy. It doesn’t cost the government that much money to alleviate suffering. It does cost a lot of money though to bomb peasants who object to their country’s oil wealth going to some multinational. The latter is important. The former is not.

      1. Brian   4 years ago

        Yeah, only $4 trillion.

      2. Sevo   4 years ago

        "...It does cost a lot of money though to bomb peasants who object to their country’s oil wealth going to some multinational. The latter is important..."

        commie-shit has troubles with numbers greater than 10;
        https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=drxymptP&id=4DEA2C0FDB24D98F490BF4DFA2BDA4ADBE2A6D5A&thid=OIP.drxymptP_uiXDeVKjqicUwHaFT&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.nationalpriorities.org%2fmedia%2fuploads%2fpublications%2fpresidents_budget_fy2013%2fchart_3.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.76bc729a9b4ffee8970de54a8ea89c53%3frik%3dWm0qvq2kvaLf9A%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=508&expw=710&q=current+us+budget&simid=608016469899416179&FORM=IRPRST&ck=23BCFDD3A0784922B0A4AFF1281F95B1&selectedIndex=3

      3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        Hi Shrike. Felt like trolling huh?

        AmSoc is Buttplug: https://reason.com/2021/08/31/americas-longest-war-is-over/#comment-9076679

        1. American Socia1ist   4 years ago

          Some people are obsessed with these two things about me so I want to put them to bed, ok? First question: do I routinely pay a mortgage. Second question: am I Buttplug’s sock? The answers— in no particular order— are no and yes.

  14. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    A few notes on the infrastructure bill:

    1) The media keeps calling it a bipartisan bill.

    39 Republicans voted against it in the Senate. 11 voted in favor--that's 78% Republicans against it.

    206 Republicans voted against it in the House. 13 voted in favor--that's 94% Republicans against it.

    78% of Republicans in the Senate voting against it, and 94% of Republicans voting against it in the House--this is what they mean by "bipartisan".

    2) Pelosi can only afford to lose three Democrats on the budget reconciliation bill, and she made a deal with five of the moderate Democrats in the House. Those five made the following promise:

    A group of five centrists released a statement Friday night committing to supporting the social-spending bill after it received a full score from the Congressional Budget Office that was in line with White House estimates of its cost.

    “We commit to voting for the Build Back Better Act, in its current form other than technical changes, as expeditiously as we receive fiscal information from the Congressional Budget Office—but in no event later than the week of November 15th,” the group said."

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-moves-toward-votes-on-infrastructure-budget-bills-11636120392?

    The first thing that ran through my head when I read this was--How independent and honest is the CBO?

    The baloney numbers in the now $2 trillion budget reconciliation bill are mostly in the assumption that these programs will lapse after five or ten years. When the CBO does their accounting, however, they will only honestly account for the money that the bill actually authorizes. They won't take the assumption that these programs won't be terminated into consideration. They'll score the bill as written. We shouldn't assume the CBO will save us here.

    There is a possibility that there are more than three other Democrats (among the 123 who aren't members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus), who will vote against the budget reconciliation bill come November 15th. If they aren't afraid of being too closely associated with Biden's Build Back Better bill after the elections in Virginia and New Jersey, they certainly should be. Whatever Nancy Pelosi is promised those five, she may need to do more before this is over.

    Meanwhile in the Senate, now that the infrastructure bill is passed, with all that spending that Manchin, in particular, was voting for, he has even less incentive to pass Biden's budget reconciliation bill than he did before. Between the activists who ambushed Manchin's car the other day and the infrastructure bill being passed, I don't see why Manchin would change his mind at this point. He may slash another trillion dollars off of the bill before he signs off, but we shouldn't expect to see the bill pass as it is now. Meanwhile, all those other Democrat Senators were watching the election results in Virginia and New Jersey, too. Manchin and Sinema may not be the only ones now. Tester and Kelly are probably getting an earful from their constituents back home in Montana and Arizona.

    Using the fantasy football metrics of whether a given player will start, with "doubtful" meaning a 25% chance, "questionable" meaning a 50% chance, and "probable" meaning a 75% chance or more, I'd say the chances of Biden's budget reconciliation bill passing as it is now is doubtful. The progressives insisted on passing the budget reconciliation bill first because they doubted that the moderates would pass it if they passed the infrastructure bill first, and I don't see a good reason for that logic to have changed. I just see the progressives willing to compromise on that because of the election results in Virginia and New Jersey.

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Ken. The first side of both sides is that even 1 votes makes each side equal.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        First rule of both sides*

      2. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

        That is not true as it only works to benefit Democrats. Hell, the Patriot act is called a GWB or Republican bill and you don't get more bipartisan than that third of a bill.

    2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

      Authoritarian Republicans are less-bad than totalitarian Democrats!

      Vote authoritarian! Republicans rah rah rah!

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        Sarc's still pretending that the last 9 months haven't happened.

  15. JesseAz   4 years ago

    The new jersey dem politician who lost to a truck driver is now claiming his team just found 12000 uncounted ballots.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/11/06/defeated-new-jersey-senate-president-claims-12000-ballots-have-been-recently-found-n1530242

  16. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

    New Franklin Mint Gold Coin offering 'Heroes of the Coup' Jan 6.

    https://youtu.be/w81bnTqQxWk

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      The coup happened last November, not Jan. 6, you fat fascist fuck.

    2. Sevo   4 years ago

      Turd lies; it’s all he ever does. Turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lieshe posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      Turd lies; it’s what he does.

    3. Earth Skeptic   4 years ago

      https://www.coin-invest.li/coins/che-guevara/

  17. American Socia1ist   4 years ago

    Hey look! Election fraud.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/politics/glenn-youngkin-son-election-day/index.html

    @Terry McAuliffe: Terry! Jesus Christ, man… pull one from Dear Leader’s play book. Bitch like a bitch for the next year about election fraud, finance an “audit”, and then cry about your freedom of speech for the next millenium. It’s proven strategy to get money from rubes. You’re wasting a once in a lifetime opportunity!

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      Did he jaywalk too? Or trespass?

    2. Brian   4 years ago

      Oh now they believe in it.

    3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      AmSoc is Buttplug:
      https://reason.com/2021/08/31/americas-longest-war-is-over/#comment-9076679

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        I don't think so, just another lying pile of lefty shit.

    4. Longtobefree   4 years ago

      https://babylonbee.com/news/mcauliffe-blames-loss-on-low-4am-ballot-turnout

    5. jimc5499   4 years ago

      You missed PA Governor Tom Wolf's admission that he voted illegally in the 2020 election.
      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-governor-tom-wolf-election-law-ballot-seth-grove-york-county

  18. n00bdragon   4 years ago

    Summary: Someone said something on Twitter and a rich/famous person responded to them, then people said some more things on Twitter which amounted to nothing and nothing happened.

    Fuck this gay earth if this is what counts as news.

  19. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

    COVID federal spending to date = $5.3 trillion

    Trump

    The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act
    As a follow-up, lawmakers enacted the CARES Act, a relief package of around $2 trillion, on March 27 to address the near-term economic impact the virus is having on families and businesses. Some of the key items in the legislation

    Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act
    On April 24, 2020 policymakers enacted the Paycheck Protection Program and Healthcare Enhancement Act. That bill, totaling $483 billion

    The Consolidated Appropriations Act, enacted on December 27, 2020, included $868 billion of federal support to help mitigate the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Biden

    The American Rescue Plan, which was enacted on March 11, 2021, provides an additional $1.9 trillion of federal relief in a variety of areas.

    https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2021/03/heres-everything-congress-has-done-to-respond-to-the-coronavirus-so-far

    Enough! No more! Both parties suck!

    (Gridlock is the only answer)

    1. Brian   4 years ago

      Or, let’s do communism!

    2. Sevo   4 years ago

      Turd lies; it’s all he ever does. Turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lieshe posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      Turd lies; it’s what he does.

  20. sarcasmic   4 years ago

    Little factual quibble here:

    Musk did not found Tesla. He's been CEO for a while, but he didn't start the company.

    Also, anyone here had a Ruger Mark pistol with extraction problems? It simply won't grab Federal. Works ok with Remington. I'm thinking I need to replace the spring. Any thoughts?

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Musk provided the startup cash and was the Chairman of the Board from the beginning. He's just as much of a founder as Eberhard and Tarpenning even if he wasn't the first CEO.

      1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

        I unmuted you because I didn't think you could make a personal attack out of that comment, and you didn't. Amazing. I'm flabbergasted.

        1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

          After reading some of your comments I now see it was a serious aberration on your part. I sincerely apologize for thinking you were capable of acting like a civilized human being. Terribly sorry. Back on mute you go.

          1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            Ideas!

          2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            Poor sarcasmic, he thinks he's punishing people by telling them that they're "muted".

            Most of you know sarcasmic as a troll, and the guy who chases Ken around, trying to harass him. but he's also a terrific attention whore. He absolutely craves it.
            When Ken, soldiermedic and chumby muted him for trolling he was absolutely devestated. He ran the gamut of emotion here, from tears of maudlin self-pity to incandescent rage. Being ignored was the worst thing to ever happen as far as he was concerned.

            That's why he posts mute lists and makes big showy declarations about doing it. He thinks he's punishing us. That we'll be as devestated as he was.

            It's so pathetic you'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at him.

            1. Utkonos   4 years ago

              You know who else was notorious for incandescent rage?

              1. Chumby   4 years ago

                Mike Hihn?

                1. Utkonos   4 years ago

                  That, of course, is also a good answer to: You know who else kept an Enemies List?

  21. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

    Gas prices have fallen since 2008!

    Gas prices peaked under Bush, but they don’t correlate with who’s in office

    Today’s gas prices are around $3.32 a gallon, up from $2.37 when the Biden administration took office, according to the EIA. That’s still well off the peak of about $4.11 in July 2008.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/25/facebook-posts/gas-prices-peaked-under-bush-they-dont-correlate-w/

    $4.11 is outrageous!

    Good thing we don't have any inflation!!!

    1. Brian   4 years ago

      I’m convinced: I’m voting democrat.

    2. Sevo   4 years ago

      Turd lies; it’s all he ever does. Turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lieshe posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      Turd lies; it’s what he does.

    3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Look at how hard Shrike works to fluff for the DNC, "Gas prices are not as bad as during the financial meltdown".
      But he swears he's not a OSF financed fifty-center.

  22. TJJ2000   4 years ago

    Ironically
    Tesla's Main Product Isn't Cars, It's Subsidies
    Tesla received $713 million in U.S. subsidies in Q3, compared to its $312 million profit.

    https://realmoney.thestreet.com/investing/stocks/tesla-s-main-product-isn-t-cars-it-s-subsidies-14769263

    Totaling - $2.8B per year.

    And in other news
    The White House’s Build Back Better plan unveiled Thursday represents the biggest clean-energy investment in U.S. history, with a $555 billion package of tax credits, grants and other policies
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/10/28/climate-biden-build-back-better/

    End the Nazi-Regime; You'd end Elon Musks profits.
    And EVERY STARVING person paying SUBSIDIES for the Green-Energy Hoax WOULDN'T be starving.

    1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

      The joke about foreign aid is that it involves taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries.

      Subsidies just skip the countries step, and take money from poor people and give it to rich people.

      1. CE   4 years ago

        Sort of like Social Security and Medicare.

  23. American Socia1ist   4 years ago

    Keeping Up With The Kardashians fans are calling out Kylie Jenner for posting clips of her boyfriend's concert that turned fatal Friday night. Kylie followed her baby daddy, rapper Travis Scott, to Houston, Texas ahead of his headlining show at Astroworld Music Festival at NRG Park. The top-selling musician is known for wild onstage performances and hosting unruly concerts, but his latest live set quickly turned to disaster, after a mob surge in the crowd claimed the lives of eight concert-goers.

    God. WTF?!? I have this theory. Once you accumulate a certain amount of money you start to lose perspective. The first thing that goes is empathy towards the plight of those less fortunate. The second is basic common decency . Surely, this is an example. Why the fuck did this fucking kardashian family Douche just take a breather and end his concert like anyone with a shred of common sense would have? I’ll tell you why… his fucking sense of entitlement.

    If ever I get this kind of money and start acting like a rich prick asshole I hope I’ll have the wherewithal and self-awareness to post my personal address here, where several of you gun nuts have expressed an interest in taking me out. I don’t want to live if I become like that.

    1. Brian   4 years ago

      I don’t think we have to worry about that.

    2. TJJ2000   4 years ago

      Yet; you've dismissed the biggest factor.

      No-one with an ounce of common sense is going to 'take out' a resource provider BECAUSE that ends their resources. If they can *create*/*earn* the same resource for less they don't need to 'take-out' the provider because they can be the provider.

      Elon Musk is different in the Gun-Theft Subsidies to riches game. Those who (take note this is the KEY) gain wealth by Gov-Gun-Forces by all means should be shut-down by DEFENSIVE Guns ( otherwise known as a USA Government )...

      Problem lies in the fact that the USA Government being taken over by a Nazi-Regime who works for the Criminals instead of Self-Defense.

      Gov-Gun-Force =/= Wealth
      Gov-Gun-Force = Individual Justice.

    3. Longtobefree   4 years ago

      8 more Covid deaths

  24. Ben_   4 years ago

    Remember when there were famines? It was a long time ago.

    Now we have "food insecurity" instead, where instead of people starving and being desperate, now they don’t always know for sure how well fed they’ll be.

    In other words, it can’t really be completely solved because the goalposts just move, but it’s mostly already solved.

    1. mtrueman   4 years ago

      More than half Americans are overweight or obese. And the number is climbing all the time. In other words, progress towards solving the hunger problem.

  25. CE   4 years ago

    6 billion won't even take everyone in the USA out for lunch at Taco Bell.

    1. Social Justice is neither   4 years ago

      Inflation hasn't been that much.

    2. Kreel Sarloo   4 years ago

      Even if we assume that a lunch at Taco Bell costs an average $8.50 (not unreasonable, I think), and also that the current populaton of the USA is around 350 Million, $6B would buy roughly two lunches for everyone in the USA.

      The problem is that assuming that everyone has the right to get enough to eat is sort of like assuming that everyone has the right to pursue happiness.

      Are you really pursuing happiness if you are just sitting on your couch waiting for someone to bring it to you?

      1. kcuch   4 years ago

        Are you really pursuing happiness if you are just sitting on your couch waiting for someone to bring it to you?

        Not my problem to become involved in. And the answer is, for that person, yes.

    3. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      Millions of private individuals who invest their own money voluntarily could invest that much and get a potentially non-stop supply of Taco Bell or Golden Coral or the fare of any other restaurant in abundance.

      This is because both the restaurants would use the investment to produce food plentiful and cheaper and because the investors would have dividends to spend.

      The only thing that limits that non-stop supply of nutrition and savory goodness is government taxing the raw ingerdients at the Customs House, taxing the fuel and vehicles to get it to the restaurants, taxing the income of the owners and workers, taxing the profits of the restaurants, and taxing the capital gains of the customers/investors.

      Thinking about all this makes me both hungry and pissed off! Not a good combination, so Socialist Redistributionists can consider themselves warned!

  26. Utkonos   4 years ago

    Tweets From Rapacious Bureaucrats Shrugged

  27. Kontrary1   4 years ago

    There are 7.9 billion people in the world - is a one time handout of less than a dollar each going to change the world? And the supposed total value of Musk's stock holdings is just an extrapolation from the selling price of the relatively few shares that actually changed hands at the latest price. Billionaires net worth is predicated on them not trying to convert their assets into cash except on a minor scale.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      The UN knows this. But the upper echelon there would love a $6B windfall. After skimming off the top, middle, bottom and sides, that could upwards of $50M in direct aid to so small area to improve their situation.

    2. mtrueman   4 years ago

      Investing in ensuring access to clean water is a good idea, especially for the billion or so who go without. It reduces suffering and pays off in economic growth.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        You are free to do this. Without needing to forcibly take the money from others.

        1. mtrueman   4 years ago

          Musk would be in a better position to do something like this. He is much wealthier than I am. My pet project is female literacy. Helps give work to teachers, administrators, janitors and school builders, reduces unwanted pregnancy, improves health, facilitates independence, broadens choice, and frustrates those wicked people who would keep our sisters in a subservient role in society.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            It is easy to spend other folks money. There are charities that do help with supplying third world areas with potable water such as Water For People. Some manufacturers also provide help. Iirc Bison Pumps has donated some of their hand operated well pumps for these efforts.

            1. mtrueman   4 years ago

              "It is easy to spend other folks money."

              Sure. Problem is getting your hands on it. That's where government is so useful.

              1. Chumby   4 years ago

                To take shit that isn’t theirs to blow it on bullshit that they know won’t work because they refuse to fund it themselves? Yup.

                1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                  People in government have faith in infrastructure projects like access to clean water or cultural projects like female literacy. The notion that they know the projects are a useless waste is just cheap jack cynicism.

                  1. Chumby   4 years ago

                    Literacy is not infrastructure. Local utilities provide the potable water not the federal government. Folks on individual wells have that responsibility for themselves.
                    And the federal government has no responsibility to play Santa to people in foreign countries.

                    1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                      "Literacy is not infrastructure."

                      In a way it is. Imagine running a modern economy without electricity. Imagine running a modern economy with an illiterate populace.And whether literacy is infrastructure or not is irrelevant. Female literacy remains my pet project for the reasons I've given.

                      "Local utilities provide the potable water not the federal government. Folks on individual wells have that responsibility for themselves."

                      Nonsense. A billion or so people lack access to clean water. Neither the local utilities nor the government are providing them with access to clean water. That's why I proposed the project as something Musk might be interested in.

                      "And the federal government has no responsibility to play Santa to people in foreign countries."

                      Sure it does. People in foreign countries are human too, not so dissimilar to you and me.

                    2. Chumby   4 years ago

                      No. Literacy is not. Full stop.

                      Those a billion or so people are not the coerced responsibility of the American taxpayer. Full stop.

                      As before, you are free to fund these efforts yourself. I believe Water For People also still has volunteer programs where you take a six-month assignment in an area of need to assist with developing water resources for people. America has tens of millions pf working age that are not working. Ask them to travel to those places. Maybe even a citizen exchange. The best from those places in exchange for folks on the dole for greater than ten years here.

                    3. mtrueman   4 years ago

                      "Literacy is not. "

                      In a way it is. Airports, electrical grids, roads, legal systems etc all presuppose literacy and couldn't exist without it. Wikipedia tells us "Infrastructure is the set of fundamental facilities and systems that support the sustainable functionality of households and firms." They also make a distinction between hard and soft infrastructure. "Hard infrastructure refers to the physical networks necessary for the functioning of a modern industry.[5] This includes roads, bridges, railways, etc. Soft infrastructure refers to all the institutions that maintain the economic, health, social, environmental, and cultural standards of a country.[5] This includes educational programs, official statistics, parks and recreational facilities, law enforcement agencies, and emergency services. "

                      In any case whether female literacy can be considered infrastructure is irrelevant to my point. It remains my pet project and nothing you've written comes close to dissuading me.

                      "Those a billion or so people are not the coerced responsibility of the American taxpayer."

                      The American taxpayer is no less human than the inhabitant of a foreign country. More narcissistic and childish and unfortunately coercion is at times necessary for the right thing to be done, just as is the case with children of all ages.

                      I wish the water workers well. I approve of their efforts.

                    4. Chumby   4 years ago

                      Forcing people that are not receiving the goods and services to pay for them is wrong.

                    5. mtrueman   4 years ago

                      Children going hungry while the wealthy stuff themselves is wrong too. Even if the children live in foreign countries. Still wrong.

          2. kcuch   4 years ago

            My pet project is female literacy.

            racist. Why do you disparage the 4 billion people of Africa and the muslim world who are perfectly happy with their culture? You should instead celebrate their diversity and welcome them into your world.

            1. mtrueman   4 years ago

              People who are perfect,y happy with their culture are jerks. Ignore them. It's that irritating bit of grit that makes the pearl. Female literacy is that grit.

              1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

                So you want females to get sand in their bikinis?

              2. Longtobefree   4 years ago

                And it is to get rid of that annoyance that the pearl is made.
                Sort of like the mute button here, only not as fast.

                1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                  Casting pearls before mute buttoneers.

  28. Cal Cetín   4 years ago

    Giving money to the UN? Maybe Musk could do something more helpful (or at least less harmful), like making a bonfire of the money. He could address hunger by handing out the hot dogs he roasts over the bonfire.

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  30. Longtobefree   4 years ago

    I will give the UN reply, and not even charge my normal consulting fee:
    Food costs = .6 billion
    Advertising how much food we gave away = 1 billion
    Administrative salaries and overhead = 5 billion.

    1. mtrueman   4 years ago

      The problem is not a shortage of food. There is more than enough produced yearly to feed the world. The problem is that the food is inadequately distributed, leaving some with too much and others with not enough.

      1. Cyto   4 years ago

        And the reason for that is usually government, not money or capitalism.

        1. mtrueman   4 years ago

          Money is a medium of exchange and measure of wealth so I agree with you on that point. Capitalism is about the accumulation of wealth which leads to disparities unseen since the days of feudalism. Not even a global pandemic has reversed the trend, with Bezos and other billionaires dramatically increasing their wealth over the past couple of years while the working class becomes increasingly precarious. According to Forbes, Musk's wealth went from 27 billion in January 2020 to 170 billion in April this year. Contrast this to the pre-capitalist Black Death pandemic which was something of a boon to the peasants who managed to survive it.

          1. Cyto   4 years ago

            You really don't understand anything at all, do you?

            Stock valuations don't transfer money from poor villagers to billionaires. Nor does the money come from workers pockets, or even from their labor.

            The value of Teams stock went up because other investors were willing to pay more.

            The same would be true of a Star Wars toy you kept from youth. Any increase in value is only paid by someone willing to buy it.

            And in the case of the stock market.... How much of the run-up is due to government deficit spending and monetary expansion?

            1. mtrueman   4 years ago

              I don't understand what your point is. I wrote that capitalism has a tendency to increase disparity in wealth between rich and poor. Are you disputing this or not?

              1. TrickyVic (old school)   4 years ago

                As if socialism doesn't increase that disparity.

                Capitalism at least gives people a chance.

                1. mtrueman   4 years ago

                  "As if socialism doesn't increase that disparity."

                  It doesn't. They're not called levelers for nothing.

        2. Longtobefree   4 years ago

          In addition, there is the pesky characteristic of food to go bad during transit. Excess cord production on one continent does not magically feed people on another continent. Especially when people on a certain continent tend to burn the corn for vehicle fuel.

  31. jimc5499   4 years ago

    When are you going to learn? These people want to solve nothing. Not hunger, not health, not curing Cancer, racism or any other thing that there is a charity for. If they solve it, they are out of a cushy well paid job. Their job is to promote it, make it worse not to solve it. The worse it gets, the more money they can ask for and skim more off the top. This isn't only charities, it's Governments as well. The relief money for the Eviction Ban is sitting there while the battle over how many more people are needed to administer it, who's going to be in charge of them and what Union are they going to belong to?

    1. mad.casual   4 years ago

      These people want to solve nothing. Not hunger, not health, not curing Cancer, racism or any other thing that there is a charity for.

      In fairness, the same is equally true for Musk and Beasley. The suffering you incur from AGW? Not living on Mars? Musk has got you covered! Sorta.

  32. Cyto   4 years ago

    Well done.

    It is amazing how political operatives circle the wagons and instantly open fire when challenged.

  33. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   4 years ago

    " Musk knows how to change the car "

    Mostly, so far, Musk and Tesla have demonstrated they know how to milk government subsidies and tax laws.

    1. Cyto   4 years ago

      Your take is a little dated. Plus... Your team is the one who desperately pushed for that government largesse. Kinda disingenuous to complain about the only one who put the incentives to productive use for the stated purpose.

  34. mad.casual   4 years ago

    *Correction: This post originally referred to David Beasley by the incorrect first name.

    So, of all the first names by which he goes, you just happened to choose *the* incorrect one?

  35. Scarbo   4 years ago

    Imagine having the gall to demand a guy hand over $6 bill and then get upset when he asks questions about how HIS money will be spent.

    1. mtrueman   4 years ago

      I'd get upset too if someone handed me a $6 bill.

      Myanmar used to have some interesting money. Bills of 90 kyat and 45 kyat were introduced by a moron dictator with a predilection for numerology and the number 9. The moron, General Ne Win, also introduced a 75 kyat bill to commemorate his 75th birthday.

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  37. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

    The UN's usefulness ended when the Soviet Union collapsed. All they do now is waste our money, rape children, and bitch at us.

    -jcr

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