Afghanistan

America's Longest War Is Over

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After nearly two decades, the U.S. war in Afghanistan is over. An American withdrawal more than a year in the making has been completed. "Every single U.S. servicemember is now out of Afghanistan," General Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr. of U.S. Central Command announced yesterday. "I can say that with 100 percent certainty."

The last member of the U.S. military to leave was Major General Chris Donahue, who had been helping to lead evacuation missions. "Since August the 14th, over an 18-day period, U.S. military aircraft have evacuated more than 79,000 civilians from Hamid Karzai International Airport," including 6,000 Americans "and more than 73,500 third-country nationals and Afghan civilians," said McKenzie. "In total, U.S. and coalition aircraft combine to evacuate more than 123,000 civilians, which were all enabled by U.S. military service members who were securing and operating the airfield."

Launched in October 2001, the war in Afghanistan has now spanned four presidential administrations.

In this time period, 2,461 American troops died in the conflict, in addition to 3,846 U.S. contractors, 66,000 members of the Afghan military and police forces, and more than 47,245 Afghan civilians. Seventy-two journalists, 444 aid workers, and 1,144 allied service members were also killed, as were 51,191 fighters for the Taliban and other opposition forces, reports the Associated Press.

Members of Congress never voted to declare war in Afghanistan.

The war has cost America $2 trillion, and the estimated interest costs may be up to $6.5 trillion.

Key committees rarely talked about the costs, notes A.P.:

Number of times lawmakers in same subcommittee have mentioned costs of Afghanistan and Iraq wars, through mid-summer 2021: 5.

Number of times lawmakers on Senate Finance Committee have mentioned costs of Afghanistan and Iraq wars since Sept. 11, 2001, through mid-summer 2021: 1.

"Tonight's withdrawal signifies both the end of the military component of the evacuation but also the end of the nearly 20-year mission that began in Afghanistan shortly after September 11th, 2001," McKenzie said yesterday.

But will we stay out? Or, perhaps a better question, will our "withdrawal" be meaningfully different?

On Sunday, America launched a drone strike on the suicide bombers from the Islamic State groups' Afghanistan affiliate in retaliation for attacks that killed at least 170 people, including 13 American service members, last week. The specifics of the strike are murky, but there are reports that civilians—including seven children—were killed. It's unclear if these deaths stemmed from an ISIS attack or if they're a result of the U.S. drone strike.

"The United States has been killing civilians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, and Somalia for years, under the guise of the so-called 'war on terror,' with impunity," pointed out Paul O'Brien, executive director of Amnesty International USA, in a statement.

"It is unconscionable that the Biden administration continues airstrikes in this shroud of secrecy. This airstrike is a glimpse into the future U.S. involvement in Afghanistan if the Biden administration pushes ahead with an 'over the horizon' counter-terrorism program that does not prioritize civilian protection," O'Brien said.

Asked if the U.S. would work with the Taliban to take on the Islamic State group's Afghanistan affiliate, McKenzie said:

I can't foresee the way future coordination between us would go. I would leave that for—for some future date. I will simply say that they wanted us out; we wanted to get out with our people and with our—and with our friends and partners. And so for that short period of time, our issues…our view of the world was congruent, it was the same.

Still, many in the U.S. media and policy world seem unwilling to let the war in Afghanistan go. (For President Joe Biden, "the end of the 'forever war' is more of an inflection point than an actual conclusion," suggests Ashley Parker at The Washington Post.) Since withdrawal has begun, newspapers and cable TV have been filled with folks clamoring for us to stay.

Never mind that "in terms of actual staying power, all our nation-building efforts couldn't even match what the Soviet Union managed in its dotage," as New York Times columnist Ross Douthat puts it. "That knowledge has not prevented a revival of the spirit that led us to this sorry pass."

"I don't mean the straightforward criticisms of the Biden administration's handling of the withdrawal," continues Douthat, who seems to be the only pundit in America who has learned from previous errors of judgment on Afghanistan.

I mean the way that in both the media coverage and the political reaction, reasonable tactical critiques have often been woven together with anti-withdrawal arguments that are self-deceiving, dubious or risible.

The argument, for instance, that the situation in Afghanistan was reasonably stable and the war's death toll negligible before the Trump administration started moving toward withdrawal: In fact, only U.S. casualties were low, while Afghan military and civilian casualties were nearing 15,000 annually, and the Taliban were clearly gaining ground—suggesting that we would have needed periodic surges of U.S. forces, and periodic spikes in U.S. deaths, to prevent a slow-motion version of what's happened quickly as we've left.

Or the argument that an indefinite occupation was morally necessary to nurture the shoots of Afghan liberalism: If after 20 years of effort and $2,000,000,000,000, the theocratic alternative to liberalism actually takes over a country faster than in its initial conquest, that's a sign that our moral achievements were outweighed by the moral costs of corruption, incompetence and drone campaigns.

All these arguments are connected to a set of moods that flourished after 9/11: a mix of cable-news-encouraged overconfidence in American military capacities, naïve World War II nostalgia and crusading humanitarianism in its liberal and neoconservative forms. Like most Americans, I shared in those moods once; after so many years of failure, I cannot imagine indulging in them now. But it's clear from the past few weeks that they retain an intense subterranean appeal in the American elite, waiting only for the right circumstances to resurface.


FREE MINDS 

Backpage on trial. The trial of Backpage founders Michael Lacey and James Larkin and several other former executives begins tomorrow—more than three years after they were arrested and the platform was seized by the federal government. "As journalists and publishers with more than 40 years of experience in the business of news, we firmly believe our prosecution represents epic government overreach and an unprecedented assault on the First Amendment and freedom of speech," Lacey and Larkin say in a new statement. More:

On April 6, 2018, the federal government eradicated an entire classified ads website containing speech that was 100-percent legal for the site to publish—speech presumptively protected by the U.S. Constitution and also protected by federal statutes.

The publication of speech posted to interactive websites by users is legally protected; so is "offensive" speech and speech the government does not like. Numerous federal courts said just that, in cases involving Backpage.com. Yet our prosecutors steadfastly refuse to admit that the First Amendment has any bearing on our prosecution for being associated with Backpage.com—a website the eminent jurist Richard Posner called a First Amendment-protected "avenue of expression of ideas and opinions.

Read the whole thing here.


FREE MARKETS 

Vegan "butter" and "cheese" OK. The U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California says Miyoko Creamery can call its vegan products "butter" and "cheese." The products are made from substances such as cashews and coconut oil. Last year, the California Department of Food and Agriculture ordered the company to stop using dairy-related words on packaging. But "the state's showing of broad marketplace confusion around plant-based dairy alternatives is empirically underwhelming," wrote Judge Richard Seeborg in a recent ruling. Seeborg ruled that the creamery has a First Amendment right to use these words.


FOLLOWUP

American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and abortion providers ask Supreme Court to intervene. Yesterday, I noted that a Texas law restricting abortions and allowing people to sue if they suspect one has taken place after fetal cardiac activity can be detected is slated to take effect on September 1. Abortion providers and the ACLU have now asked the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene, saying the law "would immediately and catastrophically reduce abortion access in Texas."

"We have filed an emergency motion in the Supreme Court to block this law before clinics are forced to turn patients away, and patients will have to travel out of state—in the middle of a pandemic—to receive constitutionally guaranteed healthcare," Nancy Northup, president and CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights, said. "Many will not be able to afford to. It's cruel, unconscionable, and unlawful."

"The emergency application was directed to Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who reviews such requests from that region of the country," reports The Washington Post. "Alito called for the response from the state officials and individuals named in the case."

The state has until 5 p.m. today to respond.

Fallout from the Supreme Court's eviction moratorium ruling.  

Meanwhile in New York:

New York's largest landlord group is threatening to sue the state Legislature if lawmakers extend the pandemic-era eviction moratorium slated to expire Tuesday—a new measure that sources say could run through Jan. 15—arguing the law negatively impacts property owners.

"If New York State lawmakers enact legislation that disregards and attempts to circumvent the decision by SCOTUS, we will immediately take legal action, this time asking for damages," said Joe Strasburg, president of the Rent Stabilization Association—a trade association that represents 25,000 building owners and managers in over one million apartments throughout the five boroughs.


QUICK HITS

• Economist Emily Oster throws water on a study purporting to show a major drop in baby IQs during the pandemic. "Taken at face value, these results are worrisome. However—and I cannot stress this enough—they are completely implausible," writes Oster. "There is absolutely no way that there was a reduction in IQ of 82 points as a result of being born during the pandemic."

• The Federal Trade Commission is going after gas stations.

• An Ohio hospital has been ordered to treat a COVID-19 patient with ivermectin. "A suburban Cincinnati woman, whose husband has been on a ventilator at West Chester Hospital with COVID-19, won a court order forcing the hospital to treat her husband's novel coronavirus infection with an antiparasitic treatment commonly used for livestock," reports The Enquirer.

• CVS is going to expand its mental health services, after a successful pilot program.

• A new South African coronavirus variant called C.1.2 has scientists worried. "It contains many mutations associated in other variants with increased transmissibility and reduced sensitivity to neutralising antibodies, but they occur in a different mix and scientists are not yet sure how they affect the behaviour of the virus," says Reuters.

• "The Department of Education announced Monday that it would launch civil rights investigations into five states whose governors have banned school districts from imposing mask mandates on students and teachers," reports Reason's Eric Boehm. "The department's Office for Civil Rights says those mandates might 'discriminate against students with disabilities who are at heightened risk for severe illness from COVID-19 by preventing them from safely accessing in-person education.'"

• Cathy Young on Chris Rufo's terrible Afghanistan tweets.

• Protecting and serving:

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  1. After nearly two decades, the U.S. war in Afghanistan is over.

    Whoever invades next will be repelled with US military equipment, so there’s that.

    1. All hail the military genius of SleepyJoe!

      1. The taliban had captured our equipment well before Biden was elected, dipshit.

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        1. Really ? Stole it right out our guys hands while we were still there?

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        2. “The taliban had captured our equipment well before Biden was elected, dipshit.”

          Stupid and a liar besides? Gotta be a droolin’ Joe voter.

          1. Or a Reason writer.

        3. A new application to team white Mike.

        4. Now this is providing some heavy competition to shrike. Keep up the good work lil buddy.

          1. Definitely a possible parody.

            1. No, not a parody at all. She’s apparently the CEO of a bunch of Silicon Valley nursing homes.

              Her twitter account is @scubunny.

              1. I DuckDuckGo’d this and all I got was a deviantart page and Pokémon. And I’m not clicking on any Pokémon links.

                1. It comes up when you put her screenname in Google. She just added a b to the end for her account here.

                  1. Yep, definitely looks like her.

                    1. Some ridiculously stupid posts there.

                    2. Definitely a far left bubble.

        5. Fucking idiot.

          1. I think he was stupid well before he ate all those lead paint chips.

        6. The war with the Native Americans began in 1609 (the Beaver War) and ended in 1924 with a treaty with the Apache. War is however long the enemy wants to go on. Biden, the groveling Taliban appeaser, betrayed this country.

          Next for Biden? Surrender of Taiwan.

          Next for Biden? A major terror attack on our nation

          Next? The arrests of all the internal traitors begin.

    2. China’s invasion will be with investors.

      1. Will that be a chink in our armor?

      2. Something tells me the people who still herd goats and live in caves have a “plan” for that.

        Unless the investors plan to sell gold-plated AK-47s and invest in poppy to sell to the US, I don’t see them getting any more ROI on Afghanistan than we did.

        1. Maybe that was Sleepy Joe’s plan ALL ALONG. Pull out of Afghanistan, let China move in, and let the Taliban do our work for us.

          That’s like 27-dimensional chess.

        2. Rare earth metals. Which, once mined, will be turned into electronics with slave labor, and sold to the west.

          1. So what youre saying is that the US government can’t even occupy and exploit correctly?

            1. Not currently, no. The fall of Rome is in full swing. China, otah, isn’t distracted by woke bullshit and complete corruption, and can commit whatever atrocities it wants without any consequences at home or abroad.

          2. rare earths aren’t rare and you know where most are mined *right now*?

            China

            1. Corner the market?

          3. We can’t even get them to build roads and wells for each other… build schools for their children, but you think they’ll mine minerals so China can sell laptop parts to the US for slave wages? Rather than use old munitions to blow up Chinamen for their treatment of the Uighyrs?

            1. No, the Chinese will send their own miners. And after the occasional attack that kills a bunch of Chinese miners, the CCP will chalk that up as part of the cost of doing business, retaliate, and then send more miners.

              1. So it’s not a disagreement of kind but degrees. OK, exactly how many troops and how much money cost of doing business do you think the Chinese will commit to protecting retaliating on behalf of their assets?

                1. As much as it’s worth for what they want to mine. They won’t worry about nation building, holding cities, etc.

                  This is just a hypothesis, obviously, but I think they just want the metals, and now is a good time for them to negotiate some mining rights with the Taliban for some cash and assistance maintaining all those nice new military toys Biden just gave them.

          4. But with people in the most populous country limited to 3 hours of video games per week, that market just got a lot smaller.

        3. It is estimated that $3T worth of rare earth minerals can be mined there. Or using another currency, about half a Bernie.

          1. Lithium is one of those Elements in Afghanistan, which, when you think about it, probably explains a lot of why Afghanistan is so fucked up.

            1. Wouldn’t all that lithium make them less crazy?

              1. Only at very precise doses. Otherwise it’s a shitshow.

            2. Isn’t most Lithium coming from Chile, though?

          2. Bezos will match that with the first asteroid he brings back to Earth.

        4. Like I said before, Red China is due for it’s own Vietnam and “The Graveyard of Empires” may be adding The Islamic Caliphate. Must wait and see…

    3. Right now, it looks to me like it’s going to be used fighting ISIS-K.

      1. ISIS-K was the name of my band in college.

      2. Reports are they were going door to door last night and it wasn’t to look for ISIS.

        1. Looking for donations I’m sure.

          1. Who would you rather see at your door? Taliban or Jehova’s Witnessses?

            1. Do the Taliban have their old AK’s or all the new weapons Biden just gave them?

            2. My apartment is posted “Private Property! No Trespassing!” so the Watchtower people and LDS bicycle boys fortunately never come.

              And myself and other residents I’m sure are armed, so the Taliban who proclaim “Allah’s Law For Allah’s Earth” could end up in that Earth if they try something at home.

    4. Glenn Kessler fact checked that serial liar trump. We did not leave 83 billion in equipment behind. Stop pushing those lies. It was only 67 billion.

      1. He forgot about the volume discount.

      2. We should have disarmed the Afghan govt and evacuated 100k Afghans in May just like Trump planned.

        1. I’ll admit, just making up random bullshit does seem like it’d be fun once in awhile. Maybe I’ll make a sock.

        2. We should have evacuated the US civilians in January and February, from Bagram. And spent the next two months locating and extracting the few that didn’t exit during those initial two months. Planned, coordinated two months plus two months is far superior to Biden’s botched bungle over a fortnight.

      3. And we know the military is great at keeping accurate financial records.

      4. Trump looked at retail and not Kelly Blue Book wholesale pricing.

      5. To be fair, we paid $87 billion. It was only worth $67 billion.

        1. We probably paid 870 billion.

  2. Launched in October 2001, the war in Afghanistan has now spanned four presidential administrations.

    But one military industrial complex.

    1. Aah. What could’ve been – if only we had voted on the Shiver Me Timbers Letters of Marque and Reprisal Act

      1. Ron Paul for the win, yet again. A single letter of Marque and Reprisal on bin Laden would have cost a heck of a lot less.

  3. Members of Congress never voted to declare war in Afghanistan.

    THEIR HANDS ARE CLEAN.

    1. I hate these assertions. Nobody is allowed to formally declare war anymore; the UN Charter made wars illegal. We are treaty-bound to delegate any formal declaration of hostilities to the UNSC. Afghanistan was invaded with Congressional authorization, which is all you can really ask for at this point.

    2. Biden’s hands are holding his head up.

    3. Some members of congress were in grammer school when the war started.

  4. Biden killed some innocent kids on the way out and left some Americans still there. This is the guy you shilled for ENB.

    1. Fuck you. The suicide bombers who loaded their car full of explosives and drove into Kabul to attack that airport are responsible for those deaths.

      1. Pretty sure he was speaking of the drone strike.

        1. That drone strike prevented another mass casualty suicide attack. It’s terrible when innocent people in war. It’s too bad we live in world full of rightwingers and the various iterations of that barbaric mentality.

          1. According to eye witnesses reported in many media, there was no secondary explosion and no proof there was suicide vests. So far we just know a family was killed.

            1. Can’t be. We had our “Top Men” on the job. Under the direction of the sharp military mind of SleepyJoe, how could it go wrong?

            2. Sullum (and ENB apparently) are gonna just take the administration at their word.

          2. “That drone strike prevented another mass casualty suicide attack…”

            Where do asinine comments like this originate? Is there some sort of random noise generator, like the letters stuck to the ‘fridge, which occasionally arrange themselves into what appears to be coherent?

          3. You sick, inhumane fuck, of course you would support faceless murder and “collateral damage.”

            Do the world a favor and go huff some car exhaust for an hour.

      2. Couldn’t find a way to blame Trump?

      3. Stick a running chain saw up your ass, Lord of Shits.
        He (and you) own this unmitigated disaster, and it’s a loooong way from over.
        We’re gonna end up ransoming folks out of there in the coming months, all because that fucking demented POS in the WH tore up a functioning plan so he could do a victory lap on 9/11.
        Well, I hope they save some red, white and blue body-bags for his lap.

      4. Leaked reports from Politico show the US knew when and where the attack would be and they didn’t shut down the gate. Try again Sullum.

        1. The military leaders on the ground in Afghanistan made those decisions. You’re just some piece of shit monday morning mfer.

          1. Military leaders on the ground also made the decision to close Bagram, and to allow the Taliban to handle security in Kabul. They made those decisions after recieving guidance from military leaders at the Pentagon, who recieved guidance from the civilian chain of command, the top of which is Joseph R. Biden.

          2. Oh, Biden isn’t commander in chief? His office didn’t leak documents blaming the British? Who does the buck stop with?

          3. LOL, sure they did, tankie.

          4. You’re an ignoramus if you actually think the decisions were made by the military leaders on the ground. Politicians like Rice and Klein and Blinken made the decisions, with predictable disastrous results. Their utter incompetency is astounding.

            So is yours, Sullum.

          5. Does Koch pay you to do this? He cannot pay you for your awesome columns.

          6. Biden is in charge. And those kids were murdered by his drone. He should be tried for a war crime. You’re just some piece of shit Monday morning apologist for a child killing war criminal.

      5. Fuck you. The administration not only knew there was going to be a suicide attack, they knew roughly where it was going to happen and still left American troops there to get clacked.

        The administration then droned a bunch of little kids in response.

        If you had any self-respect left, you’d jump feet-first into a running woodchipper.

        1. Fargo: Director’s Cut material right there.

        2. Imagine living in Afghanistan and there being a terrorist attack. Who knew!?!

          1. This is their lamest cope attempt, and we’ve seen other lefty commenters like American Mortgage-Welsher claim this too–“If you have any complaints about how this was handled, it’s because you wanted us to stay, neocon!”

            Never mind that pretty much every person on this board has been saying for years that we needed to get out, particularly after Bin Laden got capped. But they have to put up that Goliath-sized strawman to avoid dealing with the fact that their boy massively fucked up the withdrawal, even after giving himself another 3.5 months to make it happen.

      6. “Fuck you. The suicide bombers who loaded their car full of explosives and drove into Kabul to attack that airport are responsible for those deaths.”

        …but Trump was responsible for 1/6. Never forget.

        As far as the family that was murdered…that was Biden. Unless the military went rogue and Biden has chosen to not punish anybody for that….which would make it ALL Biden.

  5. I will simply say that they wanted us out; we wanted to get out with our people and with our—

    Taxpayer funded military aircraft, artillery and weapons?

    -and with our friends and partners.

    Oh.

    1. Our friends and partners apparently don’t include hundreds of dogs either.

      1. Or several hundred Americans. Fucking non-friendly non-partner Americans.

        Wonder if any of them absentee voted for Biden…

        1. They’ll definitely all vote absentee in the 2022.

    2. Next up, the US sends the Taliban money to hire contractors to maintain the equipment as long as the Taliban promise to use it responsibly.

  6. As a general matter, no one should use our hate crime data. Period. That’s it.
    Then maybe stop compiling it.

    1. They know race propagandists will ignore this request and keep using it for the narrative, but if it ever comes back on them they can point to this tweet. Win win.

      1. The people who use it the most are leftists trying to aim the right is a bunch of terrorists. See SPB, Jeff, sarcasmic as sqrsly, etc.

    2. Then maybe stop compiling it.

      How else are they supposed to cover up the hate crimes they had a hand in perpetrating?

  7. But “the state’s showing of broad marketplace confusion around plant-based dairy alternatives is empirically underwhelming…”

    Tell that to little Timmy, tricked into eating vegan slop.

    1. Wayfare Dairy Free Cheese is a vegan substitute for Velveeta, the only “cheese” my family ever ate when I was a kid:

      https://www.godairyfree.org/product-reviews/wayfare-dairy-free-cheese

      1. That explains a lot of things.

        1. Not really. We need more info on how much practice it requires to hit mike’s level of abysmal stupidity.

        2. The fact that White Mike doesn’t know that it explains a lot explains a lot. Velveeta is child abuse. My kids grew up 50 miles from Tillamook, OR, where real cheese is life.

          1. Love Tillamook. Got some sharp white cheddar in the fridge right now.

            1. Ice cream right from the factory? Amazing!

        3. This is a humblebrag (that nobody care about) at the same level as him bragging about procreation with a minority.

      2. Wayfare Dairy Free Cheese

        “The Breakfast of Chumps” with a mirror on the carton, right?

      3. Dairy free cheese is just a clump of cells.

        1. Jfree is just a clump of cells.

  8. …. reports The Enquirer.
    The original fake news.

    1. Preferred the World Weekly News

  9. Backpages is a great example of how you either censor the people the government officials tell you to or you lose everything. Even if backpages wins this court case, it won’t matter because their business has already been seized and their growth has already been halted. They can’t recover from the damages done.

    If you’ve got a business and you like it, what are you going to do when the usg comes knocking when you know there is no recourse?

    1. The Taliban had their business seized by the USG and not only did they win that battle but they had the US taxpayer fund all equipment.

      Can only imagine what a Backpages – Jalalabad would include.

        1. “Eight year olds, Dude.”

          Damn it, now I’ve gotten Shriek excited. Maybe he’ll pay AFG a visit?

          1. He calls it his Afghanistan youth stimulus package

    2. If your website deals in anything controversial like sex or guns, your best bet would be to preemptively move your headquarters and servers somewhere offshore.

      1. I suppose they can still try to shut you down through banking regulations, though.

        1. Is that what you suppose?

          1. Hobby Lobby LLC, Cayman Islands

        2. Which you’ll support as you did during the entire parlor discussion with amazon. You have no principles. Glad you finally learned about operation chokepoint, now learn the lessons from it and start supporting soft fascism as you do.

    3. No backpage committed the greatest crime of all, donating to kamala political opponent. Make no mistake this is 100% a political show trial

      1. The only kind they’re interested in.

  10. We have filed an emergency motion in the Supreme Court to block this law before clinics are forced to turn patients away, and patients will have to travel out of state—in the middle of a pandemic—to receive constitutionally guaranteed healthcare…

    Imagine if the would-be mother was unvaccinated!

    1. Only women who are on birth control should be allowed to get abortions. Women who didn’t take birth control should be turned away so our abortion clinics don’t get overrun. They had the opportunity to prevent pregnancy and they chose not to.

      1. “They deserve it”.

      2. Only women who were on birth control and used a condom and were vaccinated and wore a mask. You can never be too careful such that you don’t deserve what happens to you.

      3. “Only women who are on birth control should be allowed to get abortions.”

        I suspect I’m getting whooshed here, but I’ve never understood the logic behind statements like the quote, or anti-abortion activists allowing abortions for rape and incest victims. If abortion is murder, then it doesn’t matter why the baby is unwanted: ethically, you still don’t get to kill it.

        1. It’s mocking JFree and the rest of the “only the vaccinated should be treated for Covid” statists.

          1. My bad. He should be mocked.

            I just don’t bother reading the hysterical clown since Covid. Which has amazingly failed to take him.

        2. The rape/incest argument at least makes a good faith effort to deal with the rights of the mother and the baby.

          In the case of consensual conception, the mother is a party to putting the baby in that position. She put that baby in a situation where it is dependent on her or it will die. And so the moral case can be made that the mother has created a situation where she is obligated to preserve the baby.

          In the case of rape/incest, the mother made no choice (presumably) that led to the baby being put in this dependent state. As a result she does not carry the same obligation to keep the baby.

          That said, from a “least evil” basis, is it worse to essentially enslave the mother or to murder the baby? At the least it is a different argument than the clear case of a mother creating an obligation be choosing to engage in an activity that would get herself pregnant.

    2. were unvaccinated (subjunctive mood)

      Also, two words, head cheese.

    3. Imagine if the Libertarian Party had not caved to Comstock-Nixon-Ceausescu christianofascists and kept its 1972 plank with individual rights for women…
      1972 LP: “We further support the repeal of all laws restricting voluntary birth control or voluntary termination of pregnancies during their first hundred days.” Canada’s LP formed the next year, but never caved to Prohibition Party whining. There are no Sharia or Comstock abortion laws there, nor cops shooting people over weed. Canada’s LP is still libertarian.

      1. 100 days? You realize that’s a lot closer to what Team Redneck is proposing than what’s currently the law in this year of 2021, right?

  11. Sources say the legislature will meet as early as Wednesday in an extraordinary session to extend the eviction moratorium until January 15, 2022.

    It’s either that or the landlords start get lined up against the wall. THE GREAT RESET REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE DENIED.

    1. Nice to know property rights do not exist in NY. I almost hope CA passes that law and has Larry Elder put all of the homeless inside the HQ of Big Tech firms.

      1. Everyone’s still working from home there anyway.

      2. Ah! Team REDneck’s antichoice Long Dong 2. To hell with the Libertarian candidate Jeff Hewitt. There’s a desperate Hail Mary pass for keeping the libertarians out of the election. Rotsa ruck!

  12. As a general matter, no one should use our hate crime data.

    Just make up whatever shit you need instead.

  13. An Ohio hospital has been ordered to treat a COVID-19 patient with ivermectin.

    Gasp. There’s no way around it, the price of that stuff is going to have to go up.

    1. Wonder of that Ohio hospital ever treated a meth or fentanyl overdose without needing to be ordered to do so.

    2. As the patient’s wife requested. The horror of a patent’s medical proxy directing the course of treatment even if it is unapproved by the authorities, like medical marijuana was not so long ago.

    3. There are already shortages interfering with its actual proven use — deworming horses.

      1. Sarah Jessica Parker hardest hit.

        1. I was walking around Chicago and a limo pulled up the people in back rolled it down and it was Sarah Jessica Parker and Oprah. I said hi Sarah why the long face. Oprah said we’re lost do you know how I can get back to 294? I said you could drop about 30 pounds

          1. When she got married to Matthew Broderick, SJP wore a bridle gown.

            1. Excellent. Both of you. I heard a quick violin riff in my head after I read those two jokes.

          2. *rim shot*

            Tip your waitress folks.

      2. There are already shortages interfering with its actual proven use — deworming horses.

        It’s actually got a number of uses across a number of species. But if you just woke up and learned about ivermectin this morning over your breakfast of Wayfare Dairy Free Cheese, you probably would just assume that the stockpiles required to deworm every horse in the US were roughly equivalent to the doses required to combat COVID in humans.

        Good God what a retard.

        1. Eating trailer trash food like velveeta can stunt mental development.

        2. Boy am I an idiot. I only knew about using it to prevent river blindness in Africa. Here I though racism had come back into fashion and horse was the new derogatory term for black people.

          1. So, anyway, here in the US it is more commonly encountered in veterinary use than human medical use.

            1. When you mute half the people in any given conversation, but still feel the need to comment in it, you look extra stupid.

            2. How many meds are actually dual use? Do a search for veterinary antibiotics. Many of the antibiotics we take have veterinary use.

              The “it’s for veterinary use” seems like projecting identity politics onto inanimate objects.

              1. The “it’s for veterinary use” seems like projecting identity politics onto inanimate objects.

                It’s definitively animism. Warfarin is rat poison. Give rats a small enough dose of the exact same drug and it dissolves the clots in their bloodstream. Give humans a large enough dose and they bleed out like a poisoned rat. There’s nothing magical about the molecule that computes its host and decides it must die.

                1. And testing drugs on animals would be pretty damn useless if they worked exclusively in either humans or animals…

            3. I had the Google the horse thing. I didn’t realize some people were actually using the horse version, because they couldn’t get a doctor or pharmacy to give it to them.

              This says more about our medical system that people are willing to use products packaged for animals.

        3. It may be free dairy free cheese from the government. I think one of the commenters makes a living handing it out.

      3. Doesn’t seem to be an issue for Japan, India, or that nations of Africa between the Sahara and South Africa, which are using it for treatments.

        1. White Mike knows better than everyone else. Now take your shot.

          1. For the third time in 9 months.

      4. “There are already shortages interfering with its actual proven use — deworming horses.”

        Keep reading nothing but CNN, cuck.

        1. Care to provide some information rather than just engaging in name calling?

  14. allowing people to sue if they suspect one has taken place after fetal cardiac activity can be detected

    Well that just seems like it’s begging to be tossed.

    “We have filed an emergency motion in the Supreme Court to block this law before clinics are forced to turn patients away, and patients will have to travel out of state—in the middle of a pandemic—to receive constitutionally guaranteed healthcare”

    Healthy people might have to travel for an elective procedure! Quelle horreur!

    1. Abortions are elective? The younger generations of Texans seem convinced that pregnant women will be denied literally life-saving treatment starting tomorrow.

      1. Lest you believe I am exaggerating, I found one in the top ten results on a Google search.

        What’s more, for some people, abortion care is literally life-saving.

        https://naral.medium.com/ted-cruz-mansplains-pregnancy-spoiler-alert-hes-deadly-wrong-ace26e65e648

        1. And in such cases where abortion is literally life saving, the local hospital will be happy to perform said abortion (note: it’s quite rare). Of course, such an exception means the definition of life-saving will expand over time.

          1. Social life saving.

          2. Infrastructure life saving.

          3. In that case, it’s no longer “abortion” in the common sense of the word. It’s a life saving medical procedure, just like any other surgery.

            But the left needs to obscure that fact so they can make you think womyns will literally DIE without abortions.

            1. Progressives have changed their tune, but not their original mission. Abortion works just as well as sterilization. And it perfectly complements CRT. Both strategies have all the benefits of racism without all the ugly hate.

          4. Doubtful. There’s only so much “life saving” can be stretched.

            1. Like wearing a mask is life saving even if you are not infected with a virus?

        2. I love this line:

          “You definitely won’t hear them talk about why these realities mean that abortion care is approximately 14 times safer than childbirth.”

          Good thing the kid will never be able to disagree with that.

          1. Even if you are opposed to early abortion, because of concern for the unborn child, it doesn’t negate the argument they made. They are separate aspects of abortion, with separate arguments to be made pro and con.

            1. What about after the mother’s HO2 breaks?

    2. Canada is nearer to These States than the Sharia Law Baptists taxing Texans realize. Weed is legal there, and Canook parties are more fun than rednecks will ever know. Like village-burning-dodgers before them, many gorgeous women prompted to travel to Canada are bound to choose to stay. The Christianofascist War on individual rights for women, now 148 years old, is truly America’s longest war.

  15. The War on Drugs is still ticking right along. Since 1970 IIRC?

    1. We’ve been losing the War on Poverty since the Johnson administration

      1. Maybe SleepyJoe will man up and get us out of that war too!

        1. NO, NO!!!!!!
          Look at what he did the last time!

          1. Some folks might just be hoping he leaves 70 billion dollars worth of drugs and paraphernalia behind for them to loot as he withdraws.

    2. The War on Individual Rights will not be televised.

  16. There is absolutely no way that there was a reduction in IQ of 82 points as a result of being born during the pandemic.

    And here I thought the very concept of a baby IQ was unassailable on its face.

    1. That could explain, oh, Mike, turd and our newest troll.

    2. The author of the piece speculates that the testing might have been fouled by the testers wearing masks and they babies not understanding because of it.

      But yes, measuring baby IQs is something of dubious value.

      1. How does this affect anti-racist baby training?

      2. “The author of the piece speculates that the testing might have been fouled by the testers wearing masks and they babies not understanding because of it…”

        Perhaps the IQs of the testers ought to be established.

    3. “There is absolutely no way that there was a reduction in IQ of 82 points as a result of being born during the pandemic.”

      True, but plenty of adults lost all kinds of I.Q. during this time.

    4. 82 points? Do they even know how IQ works? If the average person (with an IQ of 100) lost 82 IQ points, they would be slightly smarter than a lamp post.

      1. And that lamp post, with an IQ of 18, would be in here running smokescreens for Biden’s botching.

  17. A new South African coronavirus variant called C.1.2 has scientists worried.

    With a name like that it will never catch on.

    1. I thought we weren’t supposed to talk about where the variants come from because racist?

      1. That only applies to Drumpf.

      2. It’s only racist if it’s directed at the chinks

        1. “We’ll take the niggers and the chinks – but no Irish!”

          1. Chiggers can cause itching.

    2. Don’t worry, Trump will come up with a derogatory nickname. It’s his core competency.

      1. And Mike will find brand new ways to advertise that he’s a TDS-addled lefty asshole.

      2. The “deadlier than a fire extinguisher “ variant.

      3. Yet he did better than Biden has in every possible way with the government and media seeking to stop him.

        Imagine how much he could have done if the press and government supported him as they do Biden.

    3. The ‘stay 6 feet apartheid’ variant.

        1. Good work! Prediction: those words will be uttered by Trump in his next rally.

          1. You’ll get wet if he says that won’t you Dee?

            1. She won’t be able to cawntrol herself.

      1. Africaough.

    4. >>With a name like that it will never catch on.

      If you can’t go Greek …

    5. C.3.P.O is the newest variant.

    6. I bless the strains down in Africa?

  18. Glad this cluster is finally over. I give Biden lots of credit for sacking up and withdrawing our troops when every president beforehand was happy just kicking the can down the road and spending billions a week on a poorly defined mission.

    1. ^ Idiot alert.

      1. Wow great argument! So you’d rather we still be in Afghanistan I guess? Tell us more einstein

        1. SleepyJoe fucked up the entire withdrawal and you know it.

          1. Don’t be silly. That’s not an option. The only valid options are:

            1.) The administration did GREAT! The airlift was HISTORICAL! He was brave and stalwart in deciding to end the war in Afghanistan! Joe Biden is a hero!

            Or

            2) WE SHOULD STAY IN AFGHANISTAN FOREVER

            There are no other arguments. Pick one.

          2. How? He got us out before the deadline as well as 80,000 Afghan allies. Did you want them to fight the twliban and ask for the equipment that was stolen from the Afghan army back too?

            Magical thinking may work on the internet, but not in real life bud.

            1. Still waiting for the cite above troll.

            2. Magic thinking like,

              “Meh, we don’t need Bagram.”

              “The Afghan government will last at least another 90 days.”

              “The Afghan Army will totally be effective after we pull all contractor support.”

              “The Taliban is going to handle security in Kabul. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.”

              “The Taliban promised they’ll let all the SIVs leave. They’re very trustworthy now.”

              1. Don’t forget: “Let’s give the Taliban a list of people to let through their security.”

              2. Sounds like you really think we should have stayed in Afghanistan longer to prop up the Afghan army.

                Dick Cheney is that you?

                Amazing how your hindsight is 20/20 too. Really amazing

                1. “Sounds like you really think we should have stayed in Afghanistan longer to prop up the Afghan army.”

                  Sounds like you have yet to learn to read, or you are willfully missing the point.
                  Regardless, fuck off and die, lefty shit. Make your family proud.

                2. That’s the opposite of what it sounds like. Are you retarded, or a 13 year old?

                  1. It could be both.

                3. The fact that you can’t piece together how incompetent this withdrawal was is amazing. Is that you Jennifer Rubin?

                  1. It’s ENB’s new sock.

                    1. Not nearly enough references to Tweets from Buzzfeed.

            3. The leave date was May 1

            4. How? He got us out before the deadline as well as 80,000 Afghan allies

              Uh, the deadline was May 1st, left behind Americans (fuck our “Afghan allies”), and droned a bunch of kids on the way out.

              1. Treason and war crimes all in the same week. Biden probably needs a nap.

            5. “He crashed the car through our living room, but he got us home.”

            6. “How? He got us out before the deadline”

              The original agreed deadline was 5/1. He did not hit that.

          3. Are you talking about Afghanistan or sex with Dr Jill pre-Hunter?

            1. Was that supposed to be clever?

              1. I sometimes dumb things down because there are commenters such as yourself here.

                1. You’re gonna have to work at is with this steaming pile of lefty idiocy.

                  1. I recommend simple grunting.

                    1. And pointing. Vigorously.

        2. False dichotomy. You already have the invitation to join white Mike. You dont need the show of bluster.

      2. “^ Idiot alert.”

        ‘Way worse, it turns out
        WAY, WAY, WAY worse!

    2. “…I give Biden lots of credit…”

      I do too! One of the most colossal foreign-policy fuck ups immaginable.
      As was mentioned regarding the Italian WWII surrender: “I there was something they could have screwed up and didn’t, it has yet to come to light”

      Regarding Jdromb, OTOH, I credit his/her family with not putting it our of its misery; living a life at that level of stupidity has got to be tough.

    3. Senator Biden voted for this mess and was in Congress for seven years of it. VP Biden helped oversee the occupation for eight years. Then POTUS Biden unilaterally altered the agreement in place to delay the exit so he could have a celebratory photo op event on September 11 to boost his ego. Unfortunately, his lack of any planning and botching the exit resulted in thirteen servicemen killed during the abandonment and hundreds of Americans stuck in Afghanistan. Biden also failed to notify the NATO allies of what was happening causing a phrenetic withdrawal for them. And this botch of an operation has also left thousands of Afghani allies there that want to come to the US. His “leave in the middle of the night” abandonment of Bagram resulted in military equipment to fall into unfriendly hands and the release of about 5,000 prisoners that included ISIS-K members. Drone striking some kids on the way out is a war crime. Biden is incapable of properly manning the fries station at the local Wendys.

      1. But Jdromb’s in LUV!

        1. He’s biden his time until creepy Joe sniffs his hair.

          1. You’re on fire today!

      2. We left Bagram before the election!

        —Jdromb

      3. I didn’t see George W Bush or Cheney mentioned once in your comment. Th ode blinders you have must cover your entire field of vision.

        You don’t like the fact the withdrawal was delayed until August- So we should have withdrawn even faster than we did? yet at the same time you said there was no planning and we left in the middle of the night.

        How do you think leaving 5 months sooner would have helped any of your concerns then? Cognitive dissonance much?

        1. You forget the 7 months of SleepyJoe dithering and changing dates. He should be on trial.

          1. He should be impeached. If reports are true that the suicide bomb was using US explosives then also trued for treason. And for war crimes regarding the drone murder of innocent children. He said, “The buck stops here” with humility. Then let it.

            1. Not nearly as humble as facts have shown him to be.

        2. I didn’t see Obama mentioned once in yours.

          You don’t like the fact the withdrawal was delayed until August- So we should have withdrawn even faster than we did?

          LOL, considering how badly he fucked it up, it wouldn’t have mattered either way.

          How does it feel knowing the Taliban made your boy their bitch?

        3. “You don’t like the fact the withdrawal was delayed until August-”

          No, and don’t bother with the strawmen; there are other lefty asshole here who are in very good shape from dragging them around; they’ll out-straman you in a NY minute.
          No, it’s not that it was “delayed”, it’s that the entire process was fucked up almost beyond imagining.
          He was offered a functioning plan, tossed in in the trash, and then droolin’ Joe found every possible way to fuck it up and did so; right in front of our eyes. And it takes an amazingly stupid or partisan pile of shit to claim otherwise.

        4. I also didn’t mention the Carter administration, who began arming the Mujahideen. Carter and Bush aren’t in a position to have affected the current disaster. Not sure if you know this but Biden is the current President. This was his responsibility and he botched it.

          When Biden decided to run for POTUS, this should have been his primary foreign issue. Once an exit agreement was reached with the Taliban, then May 1 should have been adhered to. Biden unilaterally extended the deadline; in other circles this is known as breaking a contract. He wanted a photo op moment on Sept 11, ignoring the intelligence along the way because his ego needed to be stroked. Maybe he asked the CDC Director if it was ok to stay beyond the deadline…

          Civilians should have been out by March instead of this chaotic abandonment that has resulted in leaving Americans there. That would have given two additional months to find stragglers and get them out. And additional military support to facilitate it safely. The guy was so out of touch when it began going down he went on vacation. Bagram should have stayed in US hands; easier to defend, two runways and not in the center of the largest population in Afghanistan. And no release of ISIS-K prisoners.

          There should have been a program in place to decide which Afghanis we are taking, if any, and where they would go. This quarterback audible on fourth down with no time on the clock has been anything but organized. And has a higher risk of allowing a terrorist into the country. But instead Biden spent his time figuring out how to ban ammunition manufactured in Russia. Punishing Tula doesn’t punish VVP.

          An organized, planned withdrawal instead of a rushed abandonment would have been preferred. This was the MGM Grand disaster instead of an organized fire evacuation. A methodical exit =/ “Operation Napghanistan” but five months earlier.

          Try breathing through your nose. Your double digit IQ brain may thank you. Maybe.

          1. “Maybe he asked the CDC Director if it was ok to stay beyond the deadline…”

            A+

        5. In the minds of several of the right-wing commenters here it is a solid fact that Trump would have done a better job at withdrawing from Afghanistan.

          Never mind that it is an unknowable counterfactual.

          Never mind that we know Trump’s track record with the Kurds.

          Never mind Trump’s track record of inconsistency, lack of follow through, and just plain random behavior.

          1. “In the minds of several of the right-wing commenters here it is a solid fact that Trump would have done a better job at withdrawing from Afghanistan.”

            In the minds of many steaming piles of lefty shit here, it is a solid fact that Trump (operating with a functioning plan and agreements with Taliban and the Afghan gov’t) would manage to fuck this up like a demented asshole with no plan at at.
            Mike once again proves that he’s yet more stupid than we had imagined to date. Keep it up, Mike! I can still see some air under that bar!

          2. Cite for your “solid fact” statement?

            Some believe Trump would have done better given his track record with Operation Warp Speed.

          3. Hey look it’s Dee white knighting for the Biden cultist! Nobody saw that coming.

          4. In the minds of several of the right-wing commenters here it is a solid fact that Trump would have done a better job at withdrawing from Afghanistan.

            Cope, seethe, and dilate.

            1. Apparently it’s Jd that dilated. So Dee could shove her head up it’s ass.

              1. A clump in the rump but no mean tweets from Trump.
                If there’s a bump it might feel like a hump, elongating his stump that he’ll hope for a thump at the end of a pump on his minuscule lump.
                If he should dump releasing said chump and cause him to jump from the place that is plump. At the end he will slump or maybe look frump, a miserable clump that blames all on the Trump.

          5. “In the minds of several of the right-wing commenters here it is a solid fact that Trump would have done a better job at withdrawing from Afghanistan.”

            Doing worse would be nigh impossible.

            “Never mind that it is an unknowable counterfactual.”

            C’est la vie. Biden made the plan and fucked everything up.

            “Never mind Trump’s track record of inconsistency, lack of follow through, and just plain random behavior.”

            Glad you aren’t using unknowable counterfactuals…

            1. “…Glad you aren’t using unknowable counterfactuals…”

              AKA making shit up.
              One of Mike’s very few skills: Making up bullshit.

          6. I think that the zero American casualties caused by the taliban in between the day the agreement was reached and the day it was broken suggests that yes, bad orange man would have handled this better.

            Hate to tell ya, but you’re a cultist.

          7. But keep in mind you’re only here to lick Joe’s ass clean, Bidette.

        6. Actually it was delayed until 9/11 for the purpose of a propaganda show, then they realized they couldn’t wait that long after reneging the deal with the Taliban and tried to speed it up. All while the military leadership was focused on purging conservatives and woke bullshit instead of the actual withdrawal.

        7. “I didn’t see George W Bush or Cheney mentioned once in your comment. Th ode blinders you have must cover your entire field of vision.”

          Didn’t mention Obama or Trump either. Because the only relevant person is Biden. HE fucked up. As badly as humanly possible.

          “You don’t like the fact the withdrawal was delayed until August- So we should have withdrawn even faster than we did?”

          Before the fighting season started? Yeah. Would’ve made more sense.

          Also would have made sense to LET OTHERS KNOW we were doing so.

          “How do you think leaving 5 months sooner would have helped any of your concerns then? Cognitive dissonance much?”

          Well, we can say you’re not a math major, clearly.

          1. They don’t pick a major in middle school.

            1. But he does refer to the eighth grade as, my senior year

              1. “The first one in the family to gradgiaite!

                1. His mom told him he was illegitimate, which confused him because he was able to read.

                  1. Do you write all these yourself, or do you get help from Gene?

                    1. That was original but posted in a game chat room some months ago, initially as a self-deprecating joke. Many of the home brewed ones pop back into memory at the right time.
                      Some of the burns are “borrowed” from others that were noted as good. And pop back into the conscience when appropriate.

        8. How do you think leaving 5 months sooner would have helped any of your concerns then?
          ——–
          During the winter the Taliban is stuck in place because of snow. That’s when we’d be getting our people out.

          Joe gave them 5 MOBILE months to prepare, while also providing the ‘reason’ to start fighting again: he broke the deal.

        9. C’mon, dude. There’s no way you’re really this stupid.

      4. This is their lamest cope attempt, and we’ve seen other lefty commenters like American Mortgage-Welsher claim this too–“If you have any complaints about how this was handled, it’s because you wanted us to stay, neocon!”

        Never mind that pretty much every person on this board has been saying for years that we needed to get out, particularly after Bin Laden got capped. But they have to put up that Goliath-sized strawman to avoid dealing with the fact that their boy massively fucked up the withdrawal, even after giving himself another 3.5 months to make it happen.

    4. He delayed it for 5 months to try to get a symbolic withdrawal dummy. Then he did it in the stupidest way possible. You grew up winning participation trophies didn’t you.

      1. So we should have left faster. Got it.

        1. Not faster. Sooner.

          1. And in a manner *not* fucked up in every way possible.

          2. Sooner requires faster

            1. Starting a civilian exit in February would be the same the rushed, two week disaster that actually happened?

              1. You’re entirely too kind: “dumb” doesn’t begin to define this asshole.

        2. If you’re not a parody account, I’m very impressed with your ability to out stupid shrike.

          1. He’s giving our resident lefty piles of shit a run for their money!

    5. Jdromb
      August.31.2021 at 9:57 am

      “Glad this cluster is finally over. I give Biden lots of credit…”

      Wanna know how bad this is according to Biden’s team?
      Well, that camera whore Harris hasn’t come up for air in a week now, canceling a campaign appearance with Newsom.
      Pretty sure the later was at Newsom’s request; HE doesn’t want to be tainted by this colossal fuck u p.

      1. Someone is racking up the 2024 Dem contenders, one by one.
        First Harris (border emergency), then Cuomo (serial groper), now Biden (botched withdrawal), next Newsom (soon to be recalled.)

        Makes you wonder who is smart enough and diabolical enough on the Dem side to orchestrate all of this….

        1. Easy! President Pelosi!

          It’s her turn, dammit!

        2. Sanders-Warren 2024

  19. The department’s Office for Civil Rights says those mandates might ‘discriminate against students with disabilities who are at heightened risk for severe illness from COVID-19 by preventing them from safely accessing in-person education.’

    Yes, the mandates might do that.

    1. Mask mandates DEFINITELY discriminate against deaf students.

    2. Was curious to see if this got mentioned or not, and how it was treated.
      Boehm gives it a weak-tea critique, but for pete’s sake, how can allowing people to make choices *EVER* be seen as a civil rights issue?
      That’s some Olympic-level mental gymnastics right there, worthy of turd!

  20. Afghani yearly casualties were around 15,000 per year, so the war was still hot. But the conclusion there that Douthat thinks submitting to an oppressor, being subject to a loss of liberty, torture, political murder is preferable as long as he can define it as “peace”.

  21. Rufo is right – we’ve been promoting officers for the last 30 years based on their political opinion scores rather than their soldiering skills. That leads to abandoning Bagram, leaving all that equipment, turning civilians away at the airport gate, etc, because nobody with any sense or backbone is there to ensure the correct decisions are made based on tactical advantage rather than wish fulfillment

    1. And here the only way Sgt yourk could get a commission was to take out a few machine gun nests, kill ~25 and capture ~130. All he needed to do was talk about his white privlage

      1. Growing up hunting squirrels for food for a large impoverished family seems to be the definition of a privileged upbringing, at least for noted sharpshooters. See Oakley, Annie and Murphy, Audie and York, Alvin.

    2. They got 120k mfers out of that airport. That’s alot of clearly not turning away people .

      1. And prevented people from going and getting us citizens out, and lying about it, then blaming the people there. Be careful or you may drown yourself in all that water your carrying for biden

        1. “Prevented people from going and getting citizens out”? What are you talking about?

          1. Reality.
            It’s a thing that’s going to hit you real hard soon.

            1. Let me know when you have something of substance to contribute. All your comments are just whining or childish insults

              1. Let me know when you have something of substance to contribute

                Woof, take about a “physician heal thyself” situation.

                1. Still waiting for a cite from her first comment.

                  1. You may need to break out a Snickers bar.

              2. “Let me know when you have something of substance to contribute…”

                Shades of White Indian: Post an obvious lie, claim victory!

          2. What are you talking about?

            It started with this.
            https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/house-democrats-working-with-liz-cheney-restrict-trumps-planned-withdrawal-of-troops-from-afghanistan-and-germany/

            How many different instances do you want, because we can go all the way to yesterday.

          3. Retired us spec ops groups got private funding to go in and pull out us citizens, the state department stopped them

      2. Wonder if sullum realizes that number is all combined evacs and not just American evacs. But as big a cultist he is… doubtful.

        1. Yeah, we held down the airport (except for the part that exploded because the Taliban was supposed to be watching it) while the French and British flew in, went and got their assets, returned, and flew out.

          1. FYI that was outside the airport on a crowded street. If you have any genius ideas for stopping suicide bombers from walking into crowds, let us know

            1. Pulling back troops from an area they know is going to get bombed probably would have been a better call, tankie.

              1. They did not know when or what area was going to be bombed. What a stupid comment.

                1. Yeah, they did. Kirby confirmed it yesterday with his “I’m not going to comment on a news story that came from classified information” after it got leaked to a reporter.

                  You could at least keep up on what your cabal is actually saying, dummy.

                2. So unaware.

                3. Except that they did.

                4. Jdromb
                  August.31.2021 at 11:14 am

                  ‘They didn’t do that.
                  It wasn’t as bad as that.
                  they won’t do it again.’

                  Keep shoving them goal posts, asshole!

            2. FYI that was outside the airport on a crowded street.

              Oh! *Outside* the airport where a dozen marines just happened to be vacationing and were in no way related to the thousands of marines and surrounding war zone. My bad.

              I suppose you make such fine and sensible distinctions elsewhere too, right? The drone’s missile didn’t strike the children, it struck just outside of them…

      3. “They got 120k mfers out of that airport.”

        Lord of Shit is grasping at any weed he can find, holding them up and saying “what a pretty bouquet!”
        Fuck off; nobody’s buying your horseshit.

      4. They didn’t do shit. The people who actually got 120k mfers out of Afghanistan are the enlisted soldiers, company grades, and pilots and loadmasters. In almost every military operation, that’s who manages to get shit done while the field grades and generals fuck things up and make stupid decisions. If one person got off the ground in Afghanistan, it’s not because of the brilliant leadership of the flag officers and CinC. Those asshats can’t even tell you who they evacuated.

        1. Sullum doesn’t understand any of the terms you just used.

        2. Lord of Shit: ‘Hey, look! We got some people out!’

          Which totally ignores the fact that we don’t even know the number of hostages remaining!

          1. This argument is like setting your house on fire, and then crowing about how you rescued your whole (well, mostly) family from the fire.

            Sure, I burned my house down, but I saved ALMOST my whole family from the blaze!

            1. Worse yet: It’s someone who doesn’t know how many family members were in the house, and then claiming we got “most” out.
              Any bullshit number (“250 US citizens left”) is simply trying to find a number that polls well; no one knows how many remain and we’ll never know in that a certain number are bound to be murdered.
              Thanks to droolin’ Joe, and useful idiots like Mike and our newest pile of lefty, lying, shit.

              1. I note that they have abandoned the “who wanted to get out” line. I guess blaming stranded US citizens for their own beheadings wasn’t polling well.

                I wonder how many numbers they’ll go through until they realize that the only number that polls well is “0.”

      5. They got 120k mfers out of that airport.

        LOL, sure.

  22. America’s longest war is over

    So we got all the Americans are out?

    1. Yeah, let’s call that ‘clever’ phrasing.

    2. And could’ve been over months earlier without all the equipment, and hostages and pissed-off allies left behind, if they’d followed the Trump plan.

      Weird how ENB never mentions that. Probably hasn’t shown up in her twitter feed yet.

    3. https://twitter.com/NewGranada1979/status/1431974538934325248?s=19

      REPORT: The Taliban wearing American uniforms, flashing American weapons, purchased with American blood and treasure. [Pic]

      1. Did they get them at Sunni’s Surplus?

  23. Cathy Young on Chris Rufo’s terrible Afghanistan tweets.

    If they’re the tweets I’m thinking then, yes, they’re ridiculous. But woke military brass doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

    1. What did he say? I can’t find the offending statements, and I’m not giving the Cruise Crew clicks.

      1. Everything he said and tweeted is correct.

        1. thus, the invective against him

        2. What was it, though? That’s what I’m trying to find out.

          Fist’s typical jokey coyness, while never unwelcome, wasn’t particularly helpful here.

      2. Chris Rufo is, to the best of my knowledge, steeped in the fight over racism from the left, which the media neutrally calls “culture war”.

        If the mainstream GOP came out with a philosophy that literally expressed a hierarchy of races, and was asserting racial essentialism, ascribing behaviors, attitudes and political dispositions purely based on skin color, the media at large would call it exactly what that would be: Racist.

        But because that’s now the exclusive domain of the left- and much of the mainstream Democratic party, anyone who points this trend out is said to be a “culture warrior”.

        So to answer your question (and I don’t follow Rufo closely at all) is that I believe he has been complaining about the New Racism of the left creeping into the top military brass (it has been) and he believes that it’s probably the cause of our collapse in Afghanistan. I believe that’s a bridge too far, and there’s probably zero evidence of it, but it’s a reasonable point to make, that if the top military brass is being infected by this racist ideology of the left, then you’re not making the military better, you’re actively making it worse.

        1. “So to answer your question (and I don’t follow Rufo closely at all) is that I believe he has been complaining about the New Racism of the left creeping into the top military brass (it has been) and he believes that it’s probably the cause of our collapse in Afghanistan. I believe that’s a bridge too far, and there’s probably zero evidence of it…”

          I too, am ignorant of what Mr. Rufo has been tweeting, but if it’s what you say in your quote, he has a point. Anyone think Austin—otherwise known as, “ISIS What?”, while CINCCENTCOM—got his SecDef job purely on merit?

          1. I don’t think the Great Awokening of the top military brass is sole the cause of the collapse in Afghanistan, but it’s definitely a contributing factor. The Awokening is just a symptom of the increasingly corporate culture of the Pentagon. The top brass aren’t military leaders anymore. They’re corporate execs who got their jobs by toeing the company line and being good company men, even as their departments failed to meet their objectives. None of them actually ever won any wars to get their jobs.

            Wokeness is just part of that culture. They have to show appropriate levels of wokeness if they want to retire into “leadership consulting” businesses or think tanks or defense contractor jobs. I don’t know that many of them actually believe any of it, or actually care about wokeness goals. Being woke will get them big money on the outside.

            What’s truly disgusting about that, IMO, is that it’s unprincipled. They believe in nothing but themselves and their own gain. As a military officer, it was all to get a star. Now it’s all to get 7-figure consulting jobs. The lack of principled leadership at the top ranks is what lost Afghanistan, and what lead to this absolute cluster of a withdrawal.

            1. Blood has to be spilled to defeat the new Nazism, and the iNazi Party

  24. Now that the U.S. and our allies are gone, it will be interesting to see how the fight between the Taliban and the Islamic State proceeds. The Taliban should be the relatively moderate force in that struggle for legitimacy, and the struggle against the Islamic State may give the leadership’s bid for moderation more legitimacy with the Afghan people. This could be akin to something like when fellow revolutionaries turned against Robespierre and the Reign of Terror, with the Islamic State playing the part of Robespierre, and the Taliban playing the part of more moderate revolutionaries.

    One of the things that should be better understood by my fellow Americans is that the way we think of sharia isn’t the way Muslims think of sharia, especially in parts of the Muslim world where constitutional government and the rule of law haven’t been and aren’t the norm. In contrast to the vicious dictatorships where the law is whatever the most powerful man in the area says it is, sharia is seen as the rule of law–proclaimed by God. To the extent that the Taliban already enjoys a certain amount of legitimacy (the acceptance by the people of their right to exercise power), it’s because the people there associate the Taliban with the rule of law.

    The Taliban’s original leader made a name for himself by hanging local warlords who engaged in a local cultural practice we would describe as child molestation. Even recently, as the Taliban took cities in the provinces, reports are that the town markets were springing back to life. Before the Taliban took over, the locals were subject to protection rackets, robbery, and kidnappings, and the first thing the Taliban does when it takes over is hang the criminals. The people react by reopening the markets again. Allegiance to the Kabul government was not a legitimizing substitute compared to sharia [the rule of law].

    Here in the United States, we see sharia as a limiting principle because it would give us fewer rights and freedoms than we presently enjoy, especially for women, but that isn’t necessarily the case in many parts of the Muslim world–where no one enjoys any rights at all except for the local warlord. Once the revolution succeeded in France, and the conflict was no longer between revolutionaries and the aristocracy, it became a conflict between moderate and extremist revolutionaries. We should expect to see the same thing in Afghanistan.

    I expect the Islamic State to fail in Afghanistan for the same reasons they failed everywhere else. Once it becomes clear to the people you rule that you won’t let them live because they aren’t exactly like the Islamic State wants them to be, the people you rule will do everything up to and including risk their lives to resist your rule. Even the Muslim fanatics who overran the Persian empire in the 7th century were forced to moderate their polices towards the overwhelming majority of Persians, under their rule, who were not of any Abrahamic faith.

    The negative consequences of bad decisions can only be avoided by not making bad decisions. The Khmer Rouge was free to do as it pleased, but they could not escape the negative consequences of their bad policies. Joe Biden and the Democrats can spend $4.7 trillion, but they can’t avoid the resulting inflationary pressures. The Islamic State may be free to exercise power within the areas they control, but they can’t escape the negative consequences of their decisions. Bet on them either moderating themselves significantly or the Taliban vastly improving their legitimacy among the Afghan people by putting the Islamic State down like the government of Vietnam put down the Khmer Rouge.

    1. They will most certainly fail. It’s a matter of time. Probably less than we think.

      1. It may be a question of which side seized the American military hardware. One of the reasons the Communists defeated the Nationalists in China is because, when the Russians overran the Japanese army, the Japanese army left a tremendous amount of military hardware behind. The Russians then gave all that military hardware to the Communists, and the artillery, in particular, was instrumental in the Communists taking cities away from the Nationalists after the Japanese were gone.

        “The current intelligence assessment was that the Taliban are believed to control more than 2,000 armored vehicles, including U.S. Humvees, and up to 40 aircraft potentially including UH-60 Black Hawks, scout attack helicopters, and ScanEagle military drones.”

        —-Reuters

        https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/planes-guns-night-vision-goggles-talibans-new-us-made-war-chest-2021-08-19/

        I’m not sure APCs were a big difference against the Taliban or the Islamic State on the ground in Afghanistan, but air power probably was a big deal. I doubt the Taliban has anyone who knows how to use those 40 aircraft effectively, but there may be people associated with upcoming and former superpowers, in the region, who will be happy to teach them how to use that hardware if it’s to be used against the Islamic State. The last thing China wants is the Islamic State infiltrating Xinjiang, and Afghanistan’s neighbors don’t necessarily want the Islamic State spreading there either.

        1. They will be stripping that equipment down for scrap metal to make frying pans within a year.

          1. Or they could sell it off to the highest bidder.

        2. There was a video showing them flying a helicopter with someone hanging from a rope about 20 feet below it. Another commenter posted it yesterday.

          1. Did the Biden administration certify it as a legitimate video?

            Because if the Biden administration doesn’t say it’s true, it’s probably misinformation.

    2. It will be interesting to see if Russia, China, maybe our own CIA start working with the Taliban. All those helicopters and high-tech weapons are going to rot without some assistance from a first-world nation.

      1. OUR CIA?

        You meant BIDEN’S CIA, right?

      2. “…if…”

        Isn’t that cute, folks?

        1. Just today Dee finally acknowledged that PERHAPS our government could use the banking system to go after their enemies.

          1. Other than just through inflation?

            1. I think all the lefties are still denying inflation.

  25. https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1432572210355580931?s=19

    Shana Chappell, Grieving Mother of Marine Kareem Nikoui Killed in Kabul, Has Facebook and Instagram Accounts Suspended For Speaking Against Joe Biden
    [Link]

    1. But remember, White Mike and chemleft swear that somehow it’s in the private companies interests to censor people critical of the Democrats, and totally not a First Amendment violation by the party.

      They’re sure “Don’t criticize the Democrats even if they killed your kid” was in the Twitter TOS back when Shana Chappell signed up.

      1. PrIvAtE cOmPaNiEs

      2. The democratization of the public square is one of 40 things that have improved in the last 40 years, according to Reason.

        This is what democratization looks like.

    2. Hey Nardz: if you really think everyone who doesn’t vote the way you want should be murdered why don’t you just leave?

      If Americans don’t vote the way you want I’m sure it’ll be easier to convince/murder people in your former Soviet shithole.

      If I was a Nazi like you I would OF left.

      I may not have perfect grammar, but at least I’m not a Nazi.

      1. but at least I’m not a Nazi

        No, you’re just a corporatist, Aktion T4 endorsing, censorious, Jew Israeli-hating authoritarian. Totes different from a Nazi I’m sure.

        1. Also observe how the paid troll is trying to change the subject from Democratic Party censorship by calling Nardz names.

          1. Notice how the troll being paid by Putin accuses all the non-fascists of being trolls and lying about anti-semitism.

            I’ll quit posting if you can cite me posting the crap you’ve claimed I posted.

            If not shut your lying trap!

              1. Did I tangle your seat belt?

                  1. What step are you on rummy?

            1. Well he just claimed you insulted Nardz to change the subject and you clearly did just that. So, bye.

              1. R Macdonald had a farm: ML also posted “ Jew Israeli-hating authoritarian. Totes different from a Nazi I’m sure.”

                He’s been accusing me of saying terrible things about Jews for weeks. If he can cite me saying that crap I’ll quit.

                I don’t use social media so I don’t give a shit what they do. Besides Nardz posts shit from Twitter from proven liars all the time, so I don’t put much stock in his Nazi nonsense.

                1. Your life doesn’t matter, KARen.
                  Let me know when you’re coming to Jacksonville.

                  1. Why would I go to the asshole part of America’s dick?

                    If you ever leave the anus of America(the south) let me know.

                2. He’s been accusing me of saying terrible things about Jews for weeks.

                  Because you did.

                  1. Then you should have no problem citing it?

                    Until then shut the fuck up!

                3. Mother’s Lament
                  August.31.2021 at 12:35 pm
                  Flag Comment Mute User
                  Also observe how the paid troll is trying to change the subject from Democratic Party censorship by calling Nardz names.

                  KillAllRednecks
                  August.31.2021 at 12:42 pm
                  Flag Comment Mute User
                  Notice how the troll being paid by Putin accuses all the non-fascists of being trolls and lying about anti-semitism.

                  I’ll quit posting if you can cite me posting the crap you’ve claimed I posted.

                  He claimed you were trying to change the subject. You said you’d leave if he could cite you posting the crap he claimed you’ve posted. In a thread where you tried to change the subject.

                  You clearly posted what he just claimed you posted. Guess you’re leaving, unless you’re a liar.

                  1. Perhaps I should of been more clear.

                    For the past few months ML has claimed I said anti-Semitic crap. I have repeatedly told him to stop claiming I did or cite me saying it. He has done neither.

                    If he can cite me being anti Semitic then I will quit posting.

                    I wasn’t referring to changing the subject.

                    I don’t use social media so I don’t give a fuck what they do.

                  2. He’s the Portland FailBlazer

                    1. That’s not very good.

      2. I think if you reject live-and-let-live conditions, as the left and leftist explicitly do, then it creates a de facto kill-or-be-killed dynamic.

        I advocate only the defense necessary to survive the iNazi quest for totalitarian dominion.

        1. I do live and let live. You’re the one who wants to murder more than half the country.

          You’re free to leave MY COUNTRY and go to any authoritarian shithole you want.

          Nardz the Nazi traitor

          1. The left not only rejects a live and let live situation, it lies about its intentions so you neglect to defend yourself

            1. What makes you think I’m part of “the left?”

              Because I call Trump and his supporters the authoritarian traitors that they’re?

              If that’s your criteria for who should be murdered then you and your Nazi buddies are severely outnumbered.

                1. Lol indeed Nazi scum

    3. I’m sure both social media companies independently decided to deplatform Ms. Chappell. How unbelievably fucking petty.

      1. Somehow Reason and the fifty-centers here will claim that it’s spontaneously pRivAtE c0mpaNies doing it for their own interests, and not a first amendment violation.

      2. While technically one company, it’s still unbelievably petty.

        1. TIL…

          I had no idea Facebook owned Instagram. Shows how much I use either.

  26. As a general matter, no one should use our hate crime data. Period. That’s it.

    There’s absolutely no way to trust comparisons over time, and cross-state comparisons go beyond useless to clearly misleading.

    He’s thisclose to coming upon the realization that defining crimes as “hate crimes” just to further harden punishment boners isn’t the way to conduct criminal prosecutions, but in the end he’ll stumble over it and continue on his lifelong path of assumption that anyone who commits a crime against a white person either didn’t commit a hate crime, or if they did, the white person had it coming.

    I suspect a BIG reason for this downtalking is because as a leftist, he’s seeing that an uncomfortably large number of hate crime acts over the last year have actually been committed by black people against Asians, and the last thing someone of his ideology wants is Asians focusing that anger and fear towards anyone other than white people.

    1. “Asians focusing that anger and fear towards anyone other than white people.”

      My guess is that cat’s out of the bag.

      1. Is it in the Lo Mein?

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      1. “At the moment I work at the company “The Few Company” and parallelly teaching”

        You shouldn’t be teaching anyone essay writing with those grammar skills. Well, maybe sarcasmic.

        1. This must be targeting foreign universities.

          Just about everywhere uses turnitin or some competing service.

          They used to run ads like this in the back of Rolling Stone. They’d sell the same college essay to however many people, and unless the professor got the same essay from more than one student, there’s no way they could know.

          Boomers were probably prolific plagiarizers. Apart from being well read, there was no way to know someone was plagiarizing.

          1. “Boomers were probably prolific plagiarizers.”

            Acceptable alliteration. Biden bobs briskly.

          2. Stealing from one is called plagiarism. Stealing from many is called research.

      2. Still more coherent than half of the writers here.

      3. “Parallelly”? Couldn’t you have just said “also”?

      4. And your talents were wasted at ShopRite.

  28. Pretty sure Reason gets paid for adds- *poof*

    1. I expected an essay writer to make a longer post.

  29. After nearly two decades, the U.S. war in Afghanistan is over.

    Of course we left civilians behind, but something something eggs and omelettes.

    1. “The should be consequences for their decisions “.
      Jslave

      1. Did that fascist fuck really say that!?

  30. “An American withdrawal more than a year in the making has been completed”

    Except for 106 Helicopters, 600+ armored security vehicles, 169 armored personal carriers, 65 fixed wing aircraft including 4 C-130’s, 155 mine proof vehicles, 22,000 Humvees, 42,000 pick-up trucks and SUVs, 176 artillery pieces, 16,000 night vision goggles, 358,000 rifles, 126,000 pistols, 64,000 machine guns and innumerable hostages and living targets.
    The Taliban now have all the equipment needed to invade Tajikistan and Uzbekistan if they wanted, and the hostages to keep any foreign interference at bay.

    But the Trump withdrawal plan had provisions for removing all that.

    Plus, you know, not bugging-out and leaving your unwitting NATO allies holding the bag. You know, the guys who were only there because the collective defense clause was invoked.
    Has a sitting president been censured by the British Parliament (Reason largely ignored this) since the Civil War? Sure the “adults are back in charge” in Washington but they’re apparently retarded adults who should be riding on the short bus.

    But the Democrats deliberately and willfully fucked that up because orangemanbad. Everyone who voted Democrat is responsible for this.

    And the icing on this shit cake was that the Trump plan would’ve had everyone and everything safely out of Afghanistan months ago. But mean tweets…

    1. At least they (claim to) have disabled the equipment left behind at AKI. Saw an image this AM of a C-130 that was leaning to one side like the landing gear had been damaged.

      1. Saw a video of a drone being destroyed.

        They may have disabled the Humvees and MRAPs but those will provide spare parts for the functional ones Biden transferred to the Taliban.

      2. When you have four C-130s you can probably use at least two for parts, and two to operate.
        When you also have 33 Blackhawks, 33 MI-17s, 43 MD530s, 23 Super Tucanos, 10 AC208 strike aircraft with another 28 regular 208s, you’ve got a good little air force you piece together.

        1. The good thing is that helicopters are hangar queens and require lots of maintenance. They won’t be running for long without support. They can probably get that for the Mi-17s, but I doubt Lockheed and McDonnell will be providing parts for Blackhawks and Defenders.

          1. With 56 to part together, they should be able to keep at the very least two dozen going for a while.

            1. Not with Insh’Allah maintenance they won’t. No matter how many spare parts.

              I’m sure China will happen to offer contractor assistance there though.

              1. I’m exchange for some mining rights.

          2. The progs will allow it for campaign money, just like the Clinton’s gave the chinks nuclear missle tech for campaign funds back in the 90s

      3. Read a claim last night that “150 vehicles” had been “disabled”.
        Prolly let the air out of the tires.

    2. Has a sitting president been censured by the British Parliament (Reason largely ignored this) since the Civil War?

      This alone was the most stunning, and least talked about event of the Biden admin, in my humble opinion. All we ever got from the media was every sideways comment from every world leader as “proof” that Trump was destroying America’s image abroad. But then the British Parliament literally takes an official action to condemn Biden, and it’s fucking crickets from the media.

      1. That’s proof positive that America’s media, including Reason, is in the bag. And it’s not just about opposing Trump, because this had nothing to do with Trump, but supporting the Democratic Party.

        That was huge international event. Not just some little local story that happens every now and then. A sitting president publicly rebuked by the government of one of it’s biggest, most important allies. And they hid it.

        The USSA indeed.

        1. I never heard about it.

      2. I see one news story where individual members of Parliament criticized Boris Johnson and Joe Biden, but none where they voted on a censure. Can you provide a link?

        1. Here. Probably the last thing you wanted to read:
          https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/08/18/parliament-holds-joe-biden-contempt-afghanistan/

          No surprise that Google didn’t turn up anything for you. They’re actively censoring the news from American IP searches (muhprivatecumpinny). Use Duckduckgo or a VPN with a non-US address.

  31. But will we stay out? Or, perhaps a better question, will our “withdrawal” be meaningfully different?

    Our perhaps a betterer question: did the people empowered to make decisions learn a single thing from the mission?

    1. Too smart for that. I mean these people went to Harvard FFS. What can reality teach them that a Thomas E. Ricks lecture didn’t?

  32. >>and more than 47,245

    47,246?

    I’m shocked Psaki hasn’t spun it that the Taliban with our stuff isn’t just the New Afghan Army. Success!

    1. Seriously, they’re already easing into the “work with the Taliban to fight the real extremists, ISIS-K” narrative, and the media appears ready to slurp it up.

      1. >>work with the Taliban

        is too stupid to not be true.

        1. And by “work with”, we actually mean, “offer (above board this time) multiple billion USD aid package.” With 10 percent to The Big Guy.

          To Hell with D.C.

          1. How many Hunter Biden paintings will be recommended for the Taliban to buy prior to the funds being released?

              1. I wonder if setting up a GoFundMe to buy one would yield results. Then either resell it or tannerite it on YT.

  33. the war isn’t over, it’s just changing locations back to our soil.

    1. Which policy creates more terrorists, leaving their country or continuing the military occupation of it?

  34. American girls and American guys
    Shake their heads in disgust
    ’cause they can recognize
    That President Biden
    Left civilians for dead
    So he can sleep in peace when he turns in at 3PM

    Hey Uncle Sam struck their names from the top of his list
    And the Statue of Liberty hit the bar to get pissed
    And the eagle rolled it’s eyes, they just cut and run
    And the Tali’s celebrated by firing our guns
    And it feels like the whole wide world is hopelessly confused
    Brought to you courtesy of the red white and blue

    1. You seem pissed. Why don’t you go over and fight the Taliban just like the fucking idiots in the US military that thought this had something to do with freedom.

      1. Why don’t you go over and fight the Taliban just like the fucking idiots in the US military that thought this had something to do with freedom.

        This is their lamest cope attempt, and we’ve seen other lefty commenters like American Mortgage-Welsher claim this too–“If you have any complaints about how this was handled, it’s because you wanted us to stay, neocon!”

        Never mind that pretty much every person on this board has been saying for years that we needed to get out, particularly after Bin Laden got capped. But they have to put up that Goliath-sized strawman to avoid dealing with the fact that their boy massively fucked up the withdrawal, even after giving himself another 3.5 months to make it happen.

        1. I guess we should have stayed in Afghanistan 5 more years to make sure not a single solitary American cotterpin Got into the hands of the evil Taliban. It’s funny the chaos that ensues after you occupy and bomb a country for 20 years.

          1. “I guess we should have stayed in Afghanistan…”

            We KNOW you’re stupid; nobody with two brain cells drags that strawman out of the closet.
            That’s pathetic even by CNN standards.

          2. There was a plan to get everyone out, but months earlier… and you clowns fucked it.

          3. This is their lamest cope attempt, and we’ve seen other lefty commenters like American Mortgage-Welsher claim this too–“If you have any complaints about how this was handled, it’s because you wanted us to stay, neocon!”

            Never mind that pretty much every person on this board has been saying for years that we needed to get out, particularly after Bin Laden got capped. But they have to put up that Goliath-sized strawman to avoid dealing with the fact that their boy massively fucked up the withdrawal, even after giving himself another 3.5 months to make it happen.

        2. Start your own nation state.

      2. Pay your mortgage.

      3. “Why don’t you go over and fight the Taliban”

        You seem pissed. Supermad even.

        So hurr durr, why don’t you withdraw the troops then AmSoc? Oh wait, you guys did and fucked it all up.

        If only there had been a clever plan negotiated with the approval of all parties that would have gotten all the civilians, troops and equipment out, but months earlier.
        Your orangemanbad fucked you guys over hard, didn’t it AmSoc.

      4. Or he can just fight you, insect.

  35. America’s longest war is over

    Hip hip hooray! Libertarian peanuts in the comments seem pissed. Maybe they should pay for the bombs dropping on poor people. Fuck them!

    1. Hip hip hooray! Libertarian peanuts in the comments seem pissed. Maybe they should pay for the bombs dropping on poor people. Fuck them!

      This is their lamest cope attempt, and we’ve seen other lefty commenters like American Mortgage-Welsher claim this too–“If you have any complaints about how this was handled, it’s because you wanted us to stay, neocon!”

      Never mind that pretty much every person on this board has been saying for years that we needed to get out, particularly after Bin Laden got capped. But they have to put up that Goliath-sized strawman to avoid dealing with the fact that their boy massively fucked up the withdrawal, even after giving himself another 3.5 months to make it happen.

      1. Doesn’t matter how many times you post it, lefties will continue this lie until they get an email telling them to move on to the next narrative.

        1. You have to possess a certain level of mental abilities to *understand* that what you claim is a lie.
          It doesn’t take much, and as Misek proved last night, those who do not posses that level can appear to be sentient humans from time to time.
          Commie shit is here to prove it again.

    2. Hey speaking of poor people, I have more fun facts about how aggressively this Biden economy is widening the already enormous gap between billionaires and everyone else. Check it out!

      728,000 years
      times 365.25 days / year
      times 24 hours / day
      times $7.25 / hour
      equals about $46.27 billion

      Larry Page’s net worth increase so far in 2021: $46.3 billion

      A federal minimum wage worker would need to work around the clock nonstop — no sleep, no days off — for 728,000 years to get close to Larry Page’s earnings in about 8 months of the #BidenBoom.

      A genuine socialist would find this infuriating. You, OTOH, are much more concerned with attacking the party out of power — and voting exactly like billionaires want you to.

      #VoteDemocratToHelpBillionaires
      #LibertariansForBiden

      1. Didn’t you post this two days ago, drone?

        1. Not quite. The numbers are different because Mr. Page has gained a few billion dollars since then.

          Aren’t you glad you voted for the political party that billionaires wanted in power because they knew exactly this would happen?

          #VoteDemocratToReinforceEconomicInequality

        2. I didn’t see it. I’m glad he reposted it. Must eat you up. Or at least it should.

          Haha.

    3. Maybe they should pay for the bombs dropping on poor people.

      I do, with taxes.

      Pay your mortgage.

      1. Yeah, me too. It sickened me every year knowing part of that money was going to this infuriating and arrogant project to bring Peoria to Kabul.

        1. Perhaps you might have protested the war (when a D held office, asshole).

    4. Libertarian peanuts in the comments seem pissed.

      Well AmSoc just tipped his hat as to who he actually is.

      My apologies sarcasmic, I thought that it was one of yours, but it turned out to be Buttplug/Shrike all along.

      1. >>tipped his hat

        saw that.

    5. It sounds like amsoc is sbp. Nobody else uses peanuts

      1. I borrow his phraseology, but I’m not him. He’s a free market liberal and I’m a democratic socialist with a particular aversion to large standing armies. Pretty far apart. I recognize and respect consistency and integrity. At least he has that going for him. So many here don’t.

        1. >>He’s a … and I’m a

          still can come from one keyboard. makes the internets fun.

        2. I borrow his phraseology, but I’m not him.

          Lol, the fuck you aren’t. The only person here who would pretend Buttplug is a “free market liberal”, is Buttplug.
          You’re not fooling anyone.

        3. He wants to babysit your kids.

    6. I am glad it’s over, and I would say it is Biden’s signature achievement so far from a libertarian perspective. If it knocked his approval rating down to 41% or lower, all the better. Maybe Congress will get back to spending less than 6 trillion a year starting in 2023.

  36. • An Ohio hospital has been ordered to treat a COVID-19 patient with ivermectin. “A suburban Cincinnati woman, whose husband has been on a ventilator at West Chester Hospital with COVID-19, won a court order forcing the hospital to treat her husband’s novel coronavirus infection with an antiparasitic treatment commonly used for livestock,” reports The Enquirer.

    So… without making any statements about Ivermectin…efficacy etc., wouldn’t this represent a proper libertarian outcome?

    1. Love how they say “ivermectin, commonly used for livestock” instead of “ivermectin, a proven anit-viral”

      The one thing I can’t figure out is why the cathedral is after ivermectin. It’s a strange thing to care about and pick a side on.

      1. Because it’s not the vaccine.

        Remember hydroxy?

        1. Because it’s not the vaccine.

          Bingo. It’s currently being used in other countries as part of a course of treatment for COVID, but the doctors here are stubbornly clinging to the “100% vax” idiocy rather than trying to find affordable treatments (and that’s not even getting into the stupidity of putting COVID patients on ventilators when the problem isn’t a lack of breathing function, it’s a lack of oxygen getting through the inflammed tissues. A CPAP and course of high-dose anti-inflammatory steroids would do more to help people than sticking a vent tube down their throat, but that’s cheaper than the former and thus isn’t considered.).

          A bunch of hammerheads were trying to get around the doctors’ stubbornness to not prescribe ivermectin by buying an ivermectin paste off of Amazon that’s typically given to horses.

          1. eat your oats, Grandma!

          2. I’m not advocating using this at all but question since we are discussing treatment drugs for those versed in this area, what does something like Viagra or drugs in that family due to people having complications with this? I remember mountain climbers taking this to help with breathing, is this a different assistance since blood flow carries oxygen or has it not been studied in this area?

            1. The only stuff I’ve been able to find on this is all speculative. They don’t appear to have studied it.

            2. I’ve not read of Viagra being used. Then again, I’m not a doctor, nor have I read a lot of the literature on the subject.

              Corticosteroids such as dexamethasone have been used in Covid treatment of severe cases, for many of same reasons they’re used in treating HAPE and HACE cases in mountain climbing.

          3. The ventilators are to protect the hospital staff not help the patient. Why do you think the hospital would want tk heal the sick

            1. They had the added benefit of boosting mortality numbers early on too

      2. Right, which means Reason is spreading medical misinformation.

        The NIH recognizes that it has shown some anti-viral properties. There is still dispute about its efficacy, and… here’s the money shot, there is no FDA approval for Ivermectin as an anti-viral. Just like the vaccines.

          1. Hey look… a scientific paper with an n equal to 45 compared to, what, a couple billion shots of Moderna and Pfizer.

            1. Hey, look! Commie shit picks cherries.

          2. “No difference was observed between the two groups.”

        1. The FDA has approved the vaccines

          1. No they didn’t.

            To be specific, what you hear on the news is “The vaccine has been approved.”

            What the actual fact is:

            The Pfizer Vaccine only has been approved—ish.

            There were two (2) approval letters from the FDA.

            In one of the two letters, they offered “authorization to market”– which allows one of the two (Pfizer) vaccines to be marketed at such time that it becomes available.

            The second authorization letter extends the emergency use of the current Pfizer vaccine that people are actually getting.

            In summary, what the FDA approved was the LABEL for a pfizer vaccine that is NOT CURRENTLY BEING PRODUCED.

            Now, so I’m not accused of making hyperbolic statements, the pfizer vaccine that has been “approved” but is not currently being produced is “substantively similar” to the vaccine that’s currently being administered. However, there may be some minor changes to that vaccine when it is eventually produced– which at the time of the above link it is not. (Aug 27th).

            Summary:
            Essentially, the Pfizer vaccine you’re getting today is NOT approved by the FDA for safety and efficacy. A new pfizer vaccine that may be slightly different, but is not yet produced has been approved for interstate marketing.

            My advice, stop watching CNN.

            1. Jesus fucking Christ. Everything you just posted is wrong.

              The fully approved Pfizer vaccine and the one they have been giving to people since December are the exact same thing. Exact same fucking thing. Stop spreading lies.

              The distinction you are apparently confused about is the legal distinction which takes place once a vaccine receives full approval. Medically, chemically, molecularly they are the exact same fucking thing.

              My advice is to stop spreading lies online and to learn how to fucking read. You look for doubt where there isn’t any. Dipshit.

              1. The fully approved Pfizer vaccine

                You mean the one that’s apparently less effective (45%) than the ones the FDA didn’t sign off on?

                Nope, no misdirection going on here, especially since this was done while the situation in Afghanistan was imploding right in front of everyone.

                1. Lol yes it’s a big conspiracy that now involves Afghanistan.

                  Hahahahaha

                  1. Not a conspiracy, just incompetence fueled by panic.

                    That’s how a vaccine that’s less effective against Delta than the other EUA vaccines gets FDA approval.

                    1. It’s the exact same vaccine as the EUA vaccine, dipshit. There is a legal distinction between them but nothing more. They are the same vaccine.

                    2. It’s the exact same vaccine as the EUA vaccine, dipshit.

                      I didn’t claim otherwise, dipshit.

                      Maybe exercise some reading comprehension before you respond.

                    3. the other EUA vaccines

                      Moderna and J&J, you illiterate mook.

              2. >>Exact same fucking thing.

                neither stops Covid.

                1. Are you trying to say the vaccines are ineffective? Because you are patently wrong. 99% of deaths occurring now (more than 1000 per day) are unvaccinated people.

                  1. Wait, so you’re admitting that vaccinated people are dying of COVID?

                    1. Yes vaccinated people have died from Covid. Is that a serious question? Vaccines don’t 100% prevent an illness. They make it much less likely for an infection to occur and if it does occur it makes you much less likely to get hospitalized or die.

                      Are you being serious? Children know more than you about this.

                    2. “Children know more than you about this.”

                      Is this based on discussions with your friends?

                    3. Vaccines don’t 100% prevent an illness.

                      This appears to be the goalpost shifting after the data coming out of Israel dropped.

                      They make it much less likely for an infection to occur and if it does occur it makes you much less likely to get hospitalized or die.

                      If you have to get boosters every five months for eternity, that’s not a vaccine.

                    4. This appears to be the goalpost shifting after the data coming out of Israel dropped.

                      Sigh. That may be true of popular understanding, but it was never true for anyone paying attention to the data. Hospitalizations and deaths post-vaccination were a statistical certainty.

                      The vaccine became less effective at preventing “spread” as Delta became paramount because that variant uses very specific vector which vaccines do nothing to prevent, an aspect which (IMO) heralds COVID’s eventual evolution into a state closer to its circulating cousins.

                      Taking the case/hospitalization/death stats at face value was always kind of dumb, but it’s even more so now. The obsession with classifying any SARS-COV2 positive test as a COVID case is bearing awful fruit.

                    5. Taking the case/hospitalization/death stats at face value was always kind of dumb, but it’s even more so now. The obsession with classifying any SARS-COV2 positive test as a COVID case is bearing awful fruit.

                      Not to mention the data is showing that immunity is basically gone for nearly all who took it after 8 months.

                      Apparently the vaccine makers dosed at 100 times the antibody titre level vs. natural immunity during the clinical trials. Is this normal? Because based on what we’re seeing, if they had dosed at lower levels, the antibodies would have disappeared in about 3 months or so.

                      On top of that, because they issued these so fast, we don’t know how great a compounding effect the exposure to the spike proteins will have, especially in the mRNA ones where they replicate. Maybe it won’t be anything because this shit burns out so fast, which would actually be a small blessing, but if we have to keep taking a shot every five months to keep a hospital from trying to kill us by putting us on a vent, what’s the point anyway? Especially if the “approved” vaccine is actually less effective in preventing infection than the EUAs.

                      Hopefully Novavax is able to get theirs on the market soon so we can have a better comparison. I want to see what happens with a COVID vaccine made under traditional methods than this RNA replication bullshit that’s effectively useless in less than a year.

                  2. 99% of statistics used on the internet are picked directly from the user’s ass.

              3. Keep lying, steaming pile of lefty shit; your rep is now safe.

              4. Still waiting for your very first cite of any of your bullshit. Maybe start small with what day it is?

              5. I posted evidence of my argument. You’re just shitposting.

                1. You seriously believe that he vaccines are different? Jesus Christ you are retarded.

                  https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/qa-comirnaty-covid-19-vaccine-mrna

              6. You don’t read well, do you?

                “Substantively similar” means extremely similar, and any differences are negligible and won’t effect how or if the vaccines works. Basically, the approved vaccine is close enough to the current vaccine that it makes no real difference.

                And note, none of that information, or your insane ranting, changes any part of what Diane wrote.

                1. There is no difference between comirtany and the Pfizer vaccine which was given out under the EUA, except for a legal distinction between the two. No molecular difference.

        2. The COVID-19 vaccines are _vaccines_. Why would they be used as an anti-viral; that’s not what they are? Can you explain?

      3. It’s an anti parasite. It’s not a “proven antiviral”… big difference.

        It’s shown anti viral properties in the lab… just like bleach has.

        1. What a dumb retort. Ivermectin is anti-parasite “just like bleach is”.

          Oh, and you’re wrong about vaccine(s) being FDA approved.

          1. I am not wrong. The Pfizer vaccine is fully approved. See my post above. You lied

              1. You linked to fucking YouTube video.

                Literally go to any reputable source of information. The fully authorized Pfizer vaccine is the exact same thing as the one that has been used since December. There is a legal distinction between them but nothing more.

                There is also still an EUA for the Pfizer vaccine in young teenagers. But it’s still the same exact thing. Comirtany or whatever it’s called is just the brand they will sell the vaccine as.

          2. And apparently you didn’t understand my post that distinguishes between anti parasites and antivirals.

            My advice to you is to delegate all medical decision making to someone else because you are clearly not competent to interpret even basic medical information.

            1. How many people at your nursing homes died from the coof?

      4. There’s something people aren’t thinking about here: Humans and non-humans such as horses, have different metabolisms and different reactions to the same substances in the same dosages.

        Chocolate is a yummy and safe treat in reasonable amounts for humans, but unhealthy and dangerous for dogs. Raw Steak Tartar is great for dogs, but could give humans a 24-hour stomach bug or worse. Could this not also be the reason why Ivermectin is kept with the Veterinary medicine?

        1. It’s not just being used by vets in other countries though.

          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

        2. Sqrlsy2 is quickly approaching the stupidity of sqrlsy1

        3. Good God are you getting dumber?

      5. Can you provide a cite?

    2. Dictating from a Judge’s bench how Doctors practice medicine, without any evidence of incompetance on their part, to appease some person’s crank, quack remedy is somehow libertarian??? Are we in the same Universe???

      1. The doctors are already being directed by the government not to use it. Wake up.

        1. Sqrlsy2 is a fucking moron that thinks it’s smart, making it even more of a moron.

      2. to appease some person’s crank, quack remedy

        You better let India, Japan, and a bunch of nations in Central Africa know about this.

      3. You are literally backwards on this from a libertarian point of view.

        It’s the antithesis of libertarianism to support any control over any one’s personal medical decisions. The hospital and the doctors were refusing to treat this man with the medicine he wanted. The courts have upheld his fundamental human rights. This is a good libertarian outcome.

        1. I’ve concluded The Encogitationer’s understanding of libertarianism doesn’t extend much beyond no religion in government.

        2. Doctors are under no obligation to treat patients with “the medicines they want.”

          If everyone dictated their own treatments, particularly treatments with no evidentiary backing, it would be total chaos.

          1. no, you are incorrect.

            it would be liberty.

          2. “total chaos” Lol. Listen to yourself.

          3. You missed the “from a libertarian point of view”? Do you realize most of us are libertarians?

            And I just linked above the evidentiary evidence above, and there’s much mor of it.

            No kindly fuck off back to Twitter scubunny.

        3. That makes no sense. In a libertarian world, there must be voluntarily agreement among the hospital, doctor, and patient.

          If the patient resorts to government coercion to get his way, that is no libertarian. The libertarian solution would be that the patient has to find a doctor and hospital that want to voluntarily cooperate.

          1. The pure libertarian can treat themselves if they want an unstudied unproven potentially unsafe treatment. No hospital is going to give you a drug just because you demand it.

            1. You little stalinists are amazing

              1. “[As far as I’m concerned anyone] can treat themselves if they want an unstudied unproven potentially unsafe treatment. [I really don’t like telling people what to do.]”

                — Joe Stalin

    3. No, a hospital is being FORCED to administer a treatment it doesn’t see as effective. That is coercion.

      1. Now do birthday cakes

        1. You shouldn’t have to eat any birthday cake you don’t want to, no matter what the government says.

          Seriously, I’m not a progressive. I never said anybody has to bake a birthday cake for someone else. So, you cannot lay that at my feet.

  37. Glossing over Biden’s botched abandonment of Afghanistan, including American citizens, is like asking, Other than that Mrs. Kennedy, how was your trip to Dallas?

    1. What a dumb comment. What would you have done differently? These people knew we were leaving for more than 9 months. I feel terrible they’re still there but at some point you can’t risk starting another war over people that have shown little desire to leave. We got more than 80,000 others out.

      1. “What a dumb comment. What would you have done differently?…”

        How stupid to you have to be to post something like this?
        Hey, steaming pile of lefty shit, Biden was offered a fully-functioning withdrawal plan, with agreements between the Afghan gov’t, Taliban and the US, the conditions of those agreements being met, with a deadline of May something.
        He tossed the plans in the trash since he wanted a ‘victory’ lap on 9/11 and decided to wing it.
        So the first thing you’d do differently is act as if you managed to get out of grammar school with passing grades and droolin’ Joe didn’t manage to do that.
        Stuff it up your ass, steaming pile of lefty shit; your head wants company.

        1. Go take your Droxy, Sevo. You’re just shit-posting again.

          1. notice that turd doesn’t even begin to respond to posts; it’s simply one lie after the other.
            turd lies; it’s what turd does. turd is a pathological liar, too stupid to recognize that no one is fooled by his lies.
            turd us such a stupid liar, he’ll lie when telling the truth would serve.
            turd lies; it’s what he does.

      2. What would you have done differently?

        Everything.

          1. You’re just ignoring or misreading anyone who bothers with a more thoughtful response on the topic, so this is all the response you are due now troll.

            BTW, Do you need some instructions on how to use a cite?

            1. Discussion with sm76 last night; he’s muted Misek. I’ve yet to mute anyone, and Misek in particular since his anti-semetic lies really need challenging.
              But this steaming pile of shit is so obviously a TDS-addled asshole that nothing I can add here is of any help.
              So, for the first time: *poof*

              1. Red discovered her Twitter, it’s a total left wing bubble:

                https://mobile.twitter.com/scubunny?lang=en

                1. She’s attractive. Probably would be a fun dinner date if she could stay off politics.

      3. What a dumb commenter.
        I would have stuck to the original deadline. I would have pushed to get the American civilians out by March 1 (and not decide to do this two weeks earlier while on vacation). And with an actual plan instead of believing speeches would be enough. I would have maintained Bagram and centered the withdrawal there and not at the north end of the country’s population center. I would have decided which Afghanis are allowed to enter the US and worked with them on their departure months in advance and not wing it during the catastrophe. I would have clearly communicated these plans with the NATO allies. I wouldn’t mind leaving NATO but they were there helping us. And Biden treated them like shit. So badly in fact that the UK parliament found him in contempt. Germany trashed him for this too. I would have comprehended the intelligence. In July, a reporter asked Biden about the intelligence regarding the impending Taliban takeover. He talked down to the reporter saying it wasn’t true and that wouldn’t happen. I would have communicated to the military that anyone that was not on board would be fast-tracked for early discharge. Anyone staying that sandbagged would be court martialed. I would have had a plan in place to remove as much high-end military hardware; anything that could not be taken would be destroyed. They finally implemented this a day ago.
        Those that fail to plan, plan to fail. And Biden failed miserably.

        1. Those that fail to plan, plan to fail.

          A few other John Wooden quotes that are pertinent here, since Biden probably thinks Wooden is still coaching UCLA:

          “Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.”
          “Never mistake activity for achievement.”
          “If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?”
          “Be quick, but don’t hurry.”

          And the pieces de #Resist!ence:
          “It isn’t what you do, but how you do it.”
          “I’d rather have a lot of talent and a little experience than a lot of experience and a little talent.”

          1. “Be quick, but don’t hurry.”

            That’s unpossible!

            —Jdromb

      4. THEY WERE TOLD TO LEAVE MONTHS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        I guess they should just fuck off and die then. Fuck you. You’re a monster.

        1. But Trump…errr, the Afghanis….errr, that was five days ago.

    2. SLOPPT PULLOUT!!!!

      THIS WINGNUT GETS IT!

        1. Hey, when you’re too stupid to recall that you posted the same lie yesterday and got called on it, that’s what you end up typing.
          turd lies. It’s all turd does. If turd posts it, it’s a lie (if you can read it). turd is a pathological liar; turd lies.

        2. It’s what Biden did when you pullout and shoot your nut in the wrong place.

          It wouldn’t happen to Trump – see Stormy Daniels.

          1. That’s true. Trumps affairs were consentual, unlike Biden and your pedofile self

          2. Yeah, shooting it wherever he did to get Hunter worked out way better.

        3. Probably some NAMBLA jargon that you’d rather not know.

  38. n this time period, 2,461 American troops died in the conflict, in addition to 3,846 U.S. contractors, 66,000 members of the Afghan military and police forces, and more than 47,245 Afghan civilians.

    BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SLOPPY PULLOUT?????

    REASON COVERS FOR BIDEN!!!!!

    1. buttplug has an anal queef, news at 11.

      1. Goddammit, I’ve been reading wingnut.com and you can’t look at Afghanistan as a two decade long waste of time and resource.

        Instead the whole fucking thing comes down to Biden’s sloppy pullout!

        1. “sloppy pullout” is a great username for your next sock

          1. Unless the judge’s verdict forbids that.

        2. “Instead the whole fucking thing comes down to Biden’s sloppy pullout!”

          turd posts this as if droolin’ Joe’s colossal fuck up were other than the largest foreign policy disaster since Carter!
          turd actually pretends that by him trivializing this, the rest of the world is mistaken for seeing it as other than the embarrassing display of rank incompetence that it represents.
          There are levels of lefty shit-pile stooooopid on display here today which rival droolin’ Joe’s efforts; real Olympic-level idiocy!

        3. You can do both if you’re not a retarded pedophile.

          Seriously, how long are you lefties gonna keep trying this false-dichotomy? Nobody’s buying it.

  39. “The way this dog acted gives me probable cause” is so fucking laughable I can’t believe that it’s still getting trotted out there. Anybody who knows anything about dogs knows you can get them to do whatever you want because they are eager to please.

    1. It would not be barking up the wrong tree to hound them further on this.

    2. It’s a ruling with more bark than bite.

      1. Your comment made me paws.

    3. Anybody who knows anything about dogs knows you can get them to do whatever you want because they are eager to please.

      Also, anybody who knows anything about humans knows that, by and large, they are abjectly retarded about dogs; that they will project their feelings and desires on the dog that can’t conceive of their machinations (and, in turn, who’s machinations humans generally can’t or won’t conceive).

  40. The “longest” war is not over. It’s just that this is the commercial break while the different factions are preparing to fight it on American soil. The Taliban is now well armed thanks to Joe Biden and his handlers. The U.S. military complex now gets to order new weaponry (oops, not sure what happened to the last batch we had. It must have fell off the truck), and soon the fighting on U.S. soil will begin.

    1. Ok Cindy. The taliban are desperate to be taken seriously and they know that any fuckups are going to have their ass on the line. There isn’t any fighting coming to the US. We’ll see what happens with isis

      1. Biden hurriedly evacuated tens of thousands of non Americans. Let us hope no “bad guys” slipped through the slipshod process.

  41. “America’s Longest War Is Over”

    The War on Drugs ended? Nobody told me that.

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