Congressional Report Confirms Trump's USDA Food-Box Program Was a Huge Waste of Money
Replacing parts of SNAP with a poorly overseen food delivery program turned out to be an expensive disaster.

A congressional report released this month by House Democrats confirms two things many people already knew. First, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's widely panned food-box scheme, a signature Trump administration program, funneled billions of taxpayer dollars to inexperienced, underqualified organizations to distribute food to food banks—and the needy Americans they assist—during the Covid pandemic. Then, even after allegations of waste, incompetence, and fraud gripped the program, the report concludes, the USDA basically twiddled its thumbs.
"The report lends new evidence to previous allegations that the taxpayer-funded program paid contractors well over market price for food, placed undue burdens on already-taxed food banks and pantries, then failed to conduct sufficient oversight on the contractors it flagged for potential fraud," reported The Counter, where I also contribute, in a piece last week on the new congressional report.
In early 2018, the Trump administration created a program, dubbed Harvest Boxes, to replace parts of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (or SNAP, formerly food stamps). Under the plan, the USDA would gut the overpriced SNAP program, which costs taxpayers more than $85 billion a year, and replace parts of it with a new agency-sponsored food delivery program.
The premise behind the Harvest Box was simple. Instead of giving qualified people funds they may only spend on approved foods—SNAP—why not just give those same people food? A key element of the program involved government purchases of billions of dollars in surplus food from U.S. farmers.
The program's simple premise, though, was deeply flawed. As I detailed in a 2018 column, withering criticism of the Harvest Box program came from all corners. Reason's Eric Boehm likened it to "Amazon Prime, but for terrible canned food selected by bureaucrats." Rep. Jim McGovern (D–Mass.) called Harvest Boxes a "'cruel and demeaning and an awful idea' that would strip families of the ability to choose which groceries they buy." USA Today's editorial board dubbed it "a program fresh from Cold War Bulgaria." I wrote that the Harvest Box program was "truly rotten to the core and unworthy of consideration."
When the COVID-19 pandemic gripped the country, the USDA rejiggered the Harvest Box program. The new "Farmers to Families Food Box Program," I wrote in a May 2020 column, was merely "a Covid-era repackaging of the administration's oft-ridiculed Harvest Box scheme."
The new 63-page congressional report, Farmers to Families?, takes a closer look at the program, focusing on nearly $100 million that was awarded to three of the "underqualified companies" with "questionable experience" that were contracted by USDA to provide food boxes to food banks around the country.
One of the companies that secured a contract, as detailed in the congressional report, is CRE8AD8, a wedding- and event-planning company in Texas. "The wedding planning business had no experience in this industry, no facilities, no license, and no trucks," the Texas Standard reported in summer 2020. "It has struggled to deliver on its $40 million contract." That contract was not renewed.
The new congressional report says CRE8AD8 reported its profits "for one month's worth of deliveries" under the program may have totaled nearly $8 million. CRE8AD8 wasn't the only one profiting mightily from those transactions. "CRE8AD8 confirmed that contractors in the Food Box Program sometimes paid well above market prices, with farmers and producers receiving from CRE8AD8 up to ten times the price they would normally get from grocery stores," the congressional report states.
Though galling, none of this is exactly news. As I noted last year, reports indicated the Farmers to Families Food Box Program had "awarded millions of dollars to companies with little or no experience distributing bulk food."
While making much that same point, the new congressional report concludes the USDA should "take more care in evaluating contractors, issue and enforce guidance on eligible partner organizations and emergency pricing… when designing and implementing future food distribution programs."
I'm sorry, but future food distribution programs? Did Congress learn nothing from this wastefulness? (No, Congress did not learn anything. Yes, Congress learned nothing.)
At best, government food boxes give people dramatically overpriced food they may not want. At worst, these food boxes waste taxpayer money without even providing that food. On the other hand, SNAP, which gives qualified people funds they may only spend on government-approved foods, has also seen its share of waste and fraud.
If neither SNAP nor food boxes are the answer, then what should replace those programs? As I've argued many times, the federal government should give cash to eligible people so they may put that money towards their own basic needs. "Future food distribution programs" be damned.
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Isn’t that also true of the Republicans not giving Democrats credit for anything?
Team Red demonizes Team Blue, and Team Blue demonizes Team Red, and they both try to suck us all into taking a side in their culture war. Some of us want no part in the Red vs. Blue Team drama, and do our best to remain non-partisan and live our lives without getting sucked into the culture war.
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"Both sides" for Mike and Sqrlsy, but mysteriously only whenever the Democrats are attacked.
I can't recall a single instance where the Republicans were being attacked and those two rushed out to "Both Sides" instead of just piling on.
Funny that... almost like they're being dishonest about their tribal affinities.
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If you tried to be original in your trolling instead of pasting inapplicable retarded shit you wrote years ago, you wouldn't have that problem.
So then you admit that you lied about me ALWAYS favoring "Team D"? After mine was the FIRST post here for this article, where I did exactly the opposite of that which you accuse me of?
No he didn’t you retarded fuck. He called you out for copy pasta gibberish.
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"Both sides" for Mike and Sqrlsy, but mysteriously only whenever the Democrats are attacked.
I can't recall a single instance where the Republicans were being attacked and those two rushed out to "Both Sides" instead of just piling on.
Funny that... almost like they're being dishonest about their tribal affinities.
Hey sarcasmic, remember when you admitted to eating your own shit and declared your love for Adolf Hitler on this sock? That was funny.
"but mysteriously only whenever the Democrats are attacked."
That's hilarious. There never is a case where Republicans are attacked by the usual suspects.
This entire thread says different. Sarcasmic said all racists wore red hats yesterday. Below he is attacking only conservatives.
How do you guys openly lie so easily?
The usual suspects don't understand libertarianism anyway. They see their team and everyone else. Everyone else being leftists. Which makes libertarians leftists. Then again we're talking about people who are so stupid they couldn't even become police officers, and the bar doesn't get much lower than that.
And more ideas and not talking about people. And more lies. Good work buddy.
Sadly you finally admit the gop is slightly better below but continue to attack people criticizing the dnc. Do you understand the irony?
Hey remember yesterday when you were dick licking the capitol cop who shot an unarmed woman in the face and called him a consummate professional just doing his duty to protect and serve? It's weird how rapidly your affections change. Almost like you're a stupid bootlicking prick with absolutely no principles whatsoever just regurgitating Rachael Madcow clips.
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Lol, thanks for replying on your Sqrly sock you drunken retard. Definitely keep comparing an unarmed woman who defaulted on a business loan to an SS officer, makes you look totally rational and not at all like a foaming at the mouth Marxist piece of shit.
How's your "wife" doing? Has she died from the coof yet?
That unarmed woman got exactly what she asked for.
And no, that isn't me overstating the devil's advocate position, like Kyle Rittenhouse. I 100% believe that Ashli Babbitt got exactly what she asked for and what she deserved. I think it's unfortunately that the Capitol Police showed such restraint. Killing a few dozen more would have helped the situation immensely.
It's OK sarcasmic, we're used to you being piss drunk at 8 AM and accidentally pasting the same paragraph from your copypasta document. At least you didn't forget to change handles and post it from your sarcasmic account this time. That's progress of a sort.
More gibberish from the shit eater.
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the 'buyers' are the taxpayers and they don't have any choices in the issue.
Frankly neither should receivers of charity have choices. They should merely be grateful for whatever is given and make the best of it. If you want dignity, quit begging and offer something of value.
Agreed! However... Baby steps!
Under Obama, school kids threw away a crap-ton of "healthy-for-you" mandated fruits and veggies. Letting them have what they will actually eat, is less wasteful. And... Baby steps! First, LESS stupid socialism, and more semi-smart socialism! AFTER we get THERE, whittle socialism down some MORE!
(I would like public schools totally replaced by private schools... But if I was a libertarian politician, I might not even say that at ALL, for fear of scaring away votes. All private schools is unobtanium, for now, and as far as the eye can see. The perfect is the enemy of the good, ya know...)
I know it is a long shot, but I am hoping that the culture war in schools ends up getting to a point where support for public schools vanishes. Unfortunately, in reality I think it will end up just being used as a political bludgeon and everyone will root for their preferred brand of evil to be in control of the schools. We can’t just get rid of bad government programs, the only option is to add more layers of control.
Support of government schooling won't vanish, but it is taking a major hit and will continue to. The problem is getting over the hump where diminishing support leads to reduced funding, which eventually (we're far from it now) leads to shitty product, which leads to support for increased funding. If we can ever get to the other side of that slope, government schooling goes away.
once you pay the danegeld, you will never be rid of the dane.
It bought time until they were strong enough to get rid of the Dane.
If it wasn’t for Mac and cheese, fish sticks, pizza and chicken nuggets most kids would be dead by now. And there really is nothing wrong with those things.
There is a joke about a mom who was trying to get her daughter to eat healthy foods and would not let her get up from the table until she cleaned her plate.
So her friend says “ok do that but try this experiment. Weigh the family dog. Then weigh the dog again one month later”
And Kool-Aid, don't forget.
Sure, except...the money was taken from them in the first place, and now they're begging to get some of it back.
In response to “By freedom, do you mean the ‘freedom’ to starve?!” Isabel Patterson replied: “Do YOU mean to say that people don’t starve with their hands tied behind their backs?” (Cue posthumous applause from millions of Ukrainians, Chinese, Cambodians, Ethiopians and North Koreans)
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Even Trump can't run a government welfare business, well because it's not a business designed to create value. Government welfare is a waste of money, first because it immorally takes that money from people by force, secondly because you can't redistribute anything fairly. But free markets can and do deliver welfare from people voluntarily interacting with each other, including via work and also via voluntary charity.
There's never been a good welfare program. You'd think the author would start with that premise. And then compare it previous welfare programs that "were a huge waste of money", or perhaps compare it with free markets where government doesn't provide welfare.
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Posting another big lie from a DNC house organ isn't the solid refutation you imagine.
Remember when sarcasmic posted on his Sqrlsy sock that Wikipedia was an objective and trustworthy source of information?
Linnekin does a food column, with a libertarian angle, every Saturday, and has done so for years.
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Their benefactor has dramatically more money than all of us combined and has made more this year than all of us combined.
Kinda lame that he demands we donate to this.
damikesc is doing its part by demanding that Government Almighty should FORCE people to buy Reason Magazines... Righty-right, damikesc, the damned-and-sick?
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Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to prohibit these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
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Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/#comment-8316852
No, SQRLSY, this is a description of the old world. Like the ancient 2020 world.
Trump has now solved the social media censorship problem by launching TRUTH Social. There is nothing for right-wingers to complain about anymore. They have a place where they can go and post their “truths”.
Totally don't have a side lol. God damn.
Remember folks, White Mike swears he's not a Democrat. Just ask him.
She’s definitely a lefty simp.
Have you noticed the only people even mentioning his site is Mike and sarc?
Well in their defense, Wall Street also mentioned it, and made Trump even richer in doing so.
They have a place where they can go and post their “truths”.
Then why haven't they gone there yet?
Because you're entire belief system is a strawman you created?
It’s almost like it’s not _really_ what they want.
My theory is that they've been kicked off of every other forum on the internet for being assholes, and this is the only one left that won't boot them. Then they show their thanks by coming here and talking constant shit about the only people that will allow them to post their drivel.
Amazing how everything you think is either aie or you being a hypocrite. How was glibs?
The two of them calling anybody else assholes is pretty fucking rich.
That’s be like shrike calling someone a shill.
They were polite enough to teach him how to use basic HTML after he flailed trying to use tags that have been deprecated since HTML 4.0. If you can believe it, he actually bragged about being a computer programmer whiz kid after someone finally explained to him why none of his markup was working. Then 12 hours later he was back at Reason.com because everyone there totally loves him and he absolutely didn't get kicked to the curb for being a knuckle dragging NPC retard.
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As I've argued many times, the federal government should give cash to eligible people so they may put that money towards their own basic needs.
The writing of Baylen Linnekin and Karl Marx are alike.
The only way this comment is libertarian in any way is if all social programs are replaced woth a meager handout of cash. But generally those pushing the comfort of the welfare class want to give them extra money on top of programs with no strings attached.
^THIS EXACTLY...
Arguing that the Constitution doesn't exist.
There is no 'federal' authority to provide everyone "basic needs".
But we're a famileeeeeee.
What about “promote the General Welfare???” (Sorry, a high school sophomore was looking over my shoulder just now and asked me to post that)
General Welfare of "What"????????
I've addressed this many times before.
It's a chopping and cherry-picking of phrases out of context deceitful scheme that that Sophomore should know better.... And probably does; but pretends not to.
Read the Constitution; If it's about "the people" of the USA, "the people" is used. If it's about the states then "the states" is used. Now; General Welfare of WHAT????????????????????????
But lets just think about how retarded such a claim is; What would be the point of even having a Constitution at-all if "General Welfare" could fill every defining power within it? It would have no purpose at all. That is what people who cherry-pick words out of phrases and context scheme's are truly after; is to pretend the Constitution doesn't exist at all - because a phrase in it cancels the whole thing upon itself.
And then there's always the direct hit --
Does "General Welfare" of the People (which isn't what it means; but stubborn Nazi's will pretend otherwise) consist of STEALING from the people at the point of a Gov-Gun... That's a strange *ss definition of "General Welfare".
The Sophomore also needs better kindergarten history understanding; The 'federal' (which word is not used anywhere within the US Constitution) was defined by the US Constitution as the "Union of States" Government. This is self evident by it's Name --- The "United States" and blatantly worded by...
Article IV, Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in ...this Union.. a Republican Form of Government.
However; this is basics 001 - Unless public education is wildly taught by Nazi's (def; National Socialists) I just cannot believe a Sophomore would be so deceived by anything but their own selfish greed to STEAL from others.
The general welfare is the stated goal. The following items (Sections) are the rules. Few follow the rules anymore outside a few of the procedural ones.
Libertarians want to end the programs, not "make them better".
End all of these programs. The government has neither the obligation nor the charge to steal money from folks and waste it by providing something that people should be doing for themselves.
+100000
It was helping food producers by guaranteeing them a portion of their food would be bought and reduced a real national security threat: food producers selling off their facilities and farms to overseas investors.
SNAP isn’t just wasteful, but it ends up in the pockets of large multinational corporations who produce processed food, much of it overseas. SNAP hurts US farmers by devaluing their unprocessed products.
The food boxes also reduced waste.
Right now, baby formula is being bought with SNAP in cities, then sold at half price to unscrupulous grocery stores who pay cash, where it gets sold for full price for cash in other countries. The grocery stores make 200% of their investment, the urban SNAP recipients get 50% of what the government gives them, and the US farmers get nothing.
With food boxes, there’s nothing to sell. Just good food to eat and sustain life. The farmers are happy and SNAP isn’t wasted to buy formula that gets sold in Haiti or some other shithole.
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Just out of curiosity, how much taxpayer money does an unnecessary presidential vanity trip to Rome with an 85 (!) car motorcade to visit the Pope of all people cost us? 85 fucking presidential motorcade cars guzzle a shitload of gasoline and spews a lot of crap into the atmosphere!
These kinds of trips are a complete and total waste of time and money, regardless of what party the president is in. Congress ought to put a stop to this kind of waste.
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The leftist douchebags that have their hand up Biden’s ass must have wanted a European vacation.
As I've argued many times, the federal government should give cash to eligible people so they may put that money towards their own basic needs.
No. Poverty shouldn't be made more comfortable.
FFS, this is the same shitty reasoning that wonders why people won't work when the gov pays them not to.
+100000
I agree that I would rather not see the Federal government administering handouts.
However, there is a misconception of reality in your comment. Some cash assistance to help buy food is not going to make living in poverty comfortable. It’s still going to suck, just suck less.
Are you just purely ignorant as to how big the social safety net is? It isnt just some food moron.
It wouldn’t help if Dee was less ignorant. She doesn’t think before she squawks anyway.
In Missouri, a family of four gets $865 a month in food stamps, plus free lunches at school. That's not some cash assistance to buy food. The rest of us have to make decisions based on cost, they get whatever they want by sucking blood from our economy.
In Arizona they get so much stamps for baby food that people sell excess online bought with the benefit.
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There are only four ways to get things:
Make stuff
Trade for stuff
Steal stuff
Beg for stuff
My parents taught me that the first two ways are morally sound, but the last two are not. Who the fuck learns otherwise?
Do you realize how many cultures you just dissed? probably close to 6 Billion people who consider all of those options morally sound.
Ok cuch.
A culture of thieves should be dissed, cuck.
I’m pretty sure it’s a Class A Felony Thought Crime to even put it in those terms…
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Not satisfied with alienating everyone in the country who isn't a progressive with his socialist and Green New Deal spending at home, Joe Biden is now working to integrate the United States into the European Union. The chances of the Senate ratifying such a treaty are probably less than Biden's intentions of submitting a treaty to the Senate for ratification. The idea that we can't cut taxes unless it's okay with the European Union is pathetic, and it goes away as soon as a Republican is elected president again.
If it hasn't become clear to everyone yet, what brought Trump to the presidency wasn't the sinister power of his unique personality. If Donald Trump is struck by lightening tomorrow, whomever wins the Republican nomination will champion more or less the same policies he did--for the same reasons. Elect me and I'll undo the integration of U.S. economic, immigration, and global warming policies with the EU? That's a no-brainer. How hard will it be to campaign against this crap?
Trump may be gone, but the populist reaction to elitism will always remain the same.
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Mother's lament
Need a constitutional amendment for that one.
ML, just cross the border illegally and you’ll be eligible. Plus, you’ll get a $450,000 “signing” bonus.
I better leave now while $450k is still worth more than a Big Mac.
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Unfortunately, voting for the Republican Party has now become voting for a party that willfully lines up behind cult leadership, promotes conspiracy theories and lies, and undermines sound democracy. Not a viable choice, leaving libertarians with neither major party worthy of voting for.
One thing that can be said in favor of the Democrats, perhaps the only thing in favor, is we have seen that they still have internal factions rather than slavish devotion to a cult leader.
Youre a fucking idiot. The democrats in tandem vote more together than the gop does. They likewise still worship Obama abd biden still has near 80% approval amongst the dnc. Youre just plain dumb.
From the Paris accords to capitulation to Iran, Biden is pursuing some of the same policies that got Trump elected. And the elitist EU bureaucrats inflicting unpopular policies is not only what drove the UK out of the EU but also what drove populist movements all over Europe to prominence--from France and Italy to Germany and elsewhere. Biden is just reentering all the elitist shit that Trump supporters were reacting to back in 2016.
Biden may truly believe that if it weren't for Trump's unique personality, the American people wouldn't have reacted the way they did in 2016, but, like I said, it wasn't just in the USA. Populists all over Europe were having a field day because of the EU's policies. Generally speaking, all the developed countries argue over the same issues at the same time for the same reasons.
Each country imagines that own countries are unique, but they're all impacted by the same technological, economic, and social forces at more or less the same time. And it's been that way for a long time. The revolutions of 1848 came to each country individually--for more or less the same reasons. The student protests in 1968 weren't necessarily about Vietnam in Czechoslovakia and Mexico City.
We find local expressions for technological, economic, and social changes around us, but populists all over the world were reacting to the same elitist stimulus. I doubt Biden is dumb enough to think it will be different this time, but progressives in the wild really are that stupid. They can't even grasp that the negative consequences of their economic polices are unavoidable. Why would they be smart about this?
Progressives are evangelical autistic utopians. Their brains are fully dedicated to a delusional fantasy, and cannot perceive why others disagree.
And I think that observation is becoming mainstream. 69% of Independents think the news media is full of shit--and they're main progenitors of the progressive narrative. I think they're losing their status as the measure of what is and isn't mainstream. When their stock and trade is being a credible source of news, and 69% of Independents think they're full of shit, eventually, they must lose their credibility as a judge of what is and isn't mainstream. They never controlled the Overton window, and now they have even less influence over it than they did before.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx
Yup, and you have also perfectly described MAGAs and QAnons.
4th rescue of bad mouthing dems on this thread? Didn't you used to scream your head off about whataboutism?
Both sides, right? Fuck you,
And yet you just got done saying that Democrats and progressives are not slavishly devoted to their leadership and still exercise fierce independence. It's cool when you utterly contradict yourself within 10 minutes in a desperate attempt to draw an equivalence between a non-existent political movement that was a joke spawned by 4chan and the majority party in both houses of congress.
You realize you just described "If you don't agree with me you're a moron" Ken?
More ideas instead of people huh.
sarcasmic only discusses ideas in a rational and intellectual fashion, and anyone who doesn't think so is a Trump cultist MAGA QAnon racist.
You realize that he just described you, but you lack the cognizance or self awareness to notice your own biases, right?
There’s no need to insult the good folks on the Autism Spectrum…
But the USA does differ in significant ways. Most of those other countries accepted socialized medicine as the norm, the background against which the rest is details, while in the USA it's been a compromise in which the assumption of socialized medicine is not a given. The labor movement in most of those other countries is pro-communist the goal being to have the workers take over their businesses, while in the USA organized labor has just been about getting a bigger piece of the pie, and they're not interested in becoming the management. So while some issues may be the same around the same time, some can't because the USA just isn't "there" to begin with.
I didn't say they weren't different or that they didn't react to the same stimulus differently. I said that the developed world tends to have the same arguments over the same issues for the same reasons at the same time. Populism in all its forms, different forms from the left to right, is always a reaction to elitism, and the explosion in the popularity of populist movements circa 2016 was a reaction to the elitism in all the places that it emerged.
In France, the Le Pen's National Front pushed the center left party into an also ran. The populist uprising in Germany is the reason Merkel is gone. The populist explosion in Italy had its own local expression, but just like the others, it was a reaction to the elitist policies of the EU and its supporters. Brexit wasn't exactly like what happened in Italy, but it was a populist reaction to the same elitism. We can't have the Brits making rules for themselves!
They all had their own local expressions of it, but they were all reacting to the same kinds of elitist polices--and in some cases to the same policies. It was no different here in the United States. We had our own take on the same issues. One example was the Paris
Accord[Treaty]. Barack Obama tried to inflict Paris on the American people without going through the Senate. Barack Obama inflicted DACA on us--specifically because Congress rejected it. That's elitism.A populist Trump successfully rallied the American Midwest against NAFTA and GATT, where the blue collar middle class saw them both as the means by which their economy was held hostage by unaccountable elitist bodies. They saw those agreements as being inflicted on them for the good of outsiders, and they felt like those agreements were in no way subject to the oversight of their elected leaders. Now Joe Biden wants to make future American tax cuts subject to the unanimous approval of the European Union--and he's decided to inflict this on us, without Congress on board--on the same trip where he's meeting with the Europeans to discuss remaking the American economy in line with the Paris Accords?!
I appreciate that there were real and significant differences between Brexit, Le Pen's National Rally, Alternative for Germany, Italy's Five Star Movement, and Donald Trump. I hope the point is getting across to you that all of their successes were driven by the same kinds of elitism, and in some cases, they were driven by the very same elitist policies. Bureaucrats inflicting the Paris Accords on us might not be the only issue that put Trump in office, but it was one of them. Refugee policy was another.
Meanwhile, there is no good reason to think the populist reaction in 2016 was specific to Trump, and there is no good reason to think that the populist reaction to Biden doing the same things Obama did won't provoke the same reaction it did when Obama did them. Why would it be different this time? Progressives have a really hard time with the realization that the American people don't want what they want. They rationalize it in various ways. It's the Koch brothers! It's Russian interference! It's misinformation on social media! It's Donald Trump! What if it's the universal reaction to elitism that's the problem?
Using the coercive power of government to inflict unpopular policies on an unwilling public is likely to provoke the same reaction this time as it did last time. Using international agreements and international bodies to justify making rules outside the reach of our elected representatives in Congress is likely to provoke the same reaction this time as it did last time. And you know what? It's likely to do the same things in Europe because we're talking about universal rules here. Elitism provokes populist responses--of various kinds--cross culturally and throughout history.
Ken is wrong on almost all the "facts" on which this screed is based.
Merkel is gone because she retired.
Populists have not won anywhere - Trump lost to Hillary by 3 million votes - and in Europe represent a very small minority.
DACA was in the 2013 immigration bill which passed the Senate on a bi-partisan vote and did not "pass Congress only because under the Hastert rule the GOP House leader wouldn't let it come to a vote, knowing it would pass there as well.
Iran has been busily gaining ground in nuclear fission material production since the orange idiot ended our participation in the nuclear treaty and is now much closer to having nuclear weapons. This after both US and Israeli intelligence and the IAEA verified their compliance up to Trump's stupid actions.
Ken doesn't know what he's talking about.
“The student protests in 1968 weren't necessarily about Vietnam in Czechoslovakia and Mexico City.“
PSSST! You forgot Paris….
Those were just two examples. They happened all over the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_of_1968
If you look at an opinion site in Australia, you'll see the same arguments happening as we have here in the United States. Everything from cancel culture to black lives matter kinds of stuff. Police brutality on down the line. The historical context is different, and they're talking about the legacy of colonialism rather than the legacy of slavery, but the arguments are more or less the same. You look at the arguments about transgender rights, etc. They're more or less the same, too.
And if there's anything interesting to learn from the observation that although our historical circumstances are unique, our arguments may be mostly interchangeable with people in other cultures with other histories, it may be that the principles behind these arguments are more important than the circumstances. In other words, the principles at stake behind an incident of police police brutality, for instance, may be more important than the circumstances of any particular incident.
The revolts in the 16th century all over Europe were the same, too.
lol.... Mark Laursen paraphrased, "Devotion to 'freedom' is a devotion to cult leadership ... and there is no such thing as a slavish devotion to the party-of-slavery."
Oh yeah --- and "undermines sound democracy"; ya know that [WE] mob gang-affiliated process where a popularity contest makes the "rulers" and "slave owners".
And no matter how many times they're told that the USA is a Constitutional Union of Republican States their ignorance ear-plugs are fully lodged and [WE] mob rulers is all they hear.
Article IV, Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government
Now, more like:
The United States shall guarantee to every Union a State free from a Republican Government.
Both parties are terrible. The Republican party is less-terrible, but still terrible.
I think that’s the greatest compliment you’ve ever paid the the GOP.
The party that has only had two real nominees in the last two elections and whose entire party lined up behind the guy with a VP who couldn’t even pick up one state don’t have slavish devotion? The party that still worships Obama doesn’t follow a cult of personality?
Are you fucking high?
yeah, I think "the stability of their future revenues" was the bigger concern compared to "helping companies do business internationally".
and I was hoping you would run in the California recall
The Europeans don't want us cutting taxes in the future below the rates of their socialist economies, and Joe Biden is using them as a tool against the American right--to make it harder for us to cut taxes or make the government smaller in the future. If he doesn't want to let us cut taxes without the EU's agreement, then he wants to take the enumerated power to lay taxes away from Congress and give it to bureaucrats in the EU. I suppose it needs to be said explicitly--this is a direct assault on American democracy. No taxation without representation!
That's the very foundation of American democracy and the reason why Congress has the power to lay taxes--so we can vote them out of office if we don't like their tax policies. 1) When we see progressives tell us that they're defending democracy by siccing the FBI on parents for opposing their local elected school boards, 2) when we see progressives say they're defending democracy by censoring
misinformationcriticism of their policies on social media, 3) when we see progressives claim to be defending democracy by rationalizing the shooting of unarmed protesters, now add this to the list of reasons why we should laugh in their faces: 4) They want to take away our ability to vote for the people who tax us.Progressives are openly hostile to democracy--even in its proper purview. And that's another reason why progressives are America's most horrible people.
Know who else blamed every problem on a certain group of people?
Obama?
Hillary Clinton?
You?
No, actually I think the other likely Republican nominees for president would be less libertarian. Still nothing close to the Democrats, of course, but there were things about Trump that put him a cut above the average Republican in terms of individual liberty. Not everything about him, but enough to be noticeable.
I'm afraid other Republicans would be more obstructionist on legal marijuana and psychedelics, for instance, and might go more into anti-sex escapades about prostitution, etc.
"Trump may be gone, but the populist reaction to elitism will always remain the same."
----Ken Shultz
That might have been written differently as, "Trump may be gone but the reaction to elitism will always be populist". There is no good reason to think that Biden doing the same thing Obama did won't provoke the same reaction it did when Obama did it. If subjecting us to an international agreement on climate change doesn't get Trump reelected in 2024, it will probably get someone else like him elected. If . . . um . . . someone at random--Nikki Haley wins the nomination in 2024, she'll probably be making the same promises Trump did for the same reasons Trump did.
I'm not necessarily on board with the definition of insanity being when we do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. Sometimes, I think that's a better definition of stupidity. And the progressives who think that the populist reaction to elitism would disappear if only it weren't for Trump are just as dumb as the progressives who thought that if it weren't for the Koch Brothers, I wouldn't mind Obama using my future paychecks to bail out deadbeat homebuyers and Wall Street investors.
Some Kamala Harris cringe to start your morning:
https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/status/1454334035279364102?s=21
As much as you might have BDS, you’re gonna wanna pray for his continued health.
Stop pretending you didn't fucking favor this administration over mean tweets.
Kamala Harris will be elected President in either 2024 or 2028. Depends on whether Biden decides he wants to serve 2 terms after all.
#LibertariansForHarris
If her approval ratings have improved lately, it's only because she's disappeared. I understand that instead of being the immigration and border security czar, Harris has now been put in charge of the National Strategy on Gender Equity.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2021/10/25/biden-administration-unveils-national-strategy-to-achieve-gender-equity/
It's hard to imagine how she could fuck up a cushy assignment like that, but where there's a will, there's a way. My guess is that she highlights the messages of social justice warriors and ends up alienating working women everywhere.
Reports are she is incommunicado with Biden. She is the affirmative action hire that does not need to work without fear of being sacked.
Does the Big Guy get to smell her hair?
He did pick the VP candidate with the best hair.
Tulsi would like to have a word.
A few weeks ago there was video of her in her office. Notably absent was any personalization of the office.
She not planning to stay VP much longer. Either he goes or she’ll push him out.
The writing was literally on her wall.
"A congressional report released this month by House Democrats"
Them coming out opposed to a Trump initiative is a shocker.
And Reason parroting it like the good propagandists they’ve become is also shocking.
Notice how this was a "huge waste of money", but the 3.5 trillion Democrat grab bag is merely a minor budgetary issue wherein Biden's statements "don't make much sense".
But we've been warned, in a David Shribman column today, that this would be the U.S. "abandoning its role as a global leader." He believes Europe in general and Canada, in particular, will have to become more independent. To all of which I say, "it is about time."
Europe can continue on its suicidal urges, and reify Orwell's fiction.
Canada is just keeping the heat on and the plumbing working, until we need the land. Unless the Chinese get there first.
In a blow to the statists.... a new study shows the vaccinated spread the delta variant just as much as unvaccinated, making the two tiered social system they clamor for useless. The vaccines are only effective as a prophylactic as an individual.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/579068-vaccinated-just-as-likely-to-spread-delta-variant-as-unvaccinated-study
Of course we have already seen a rise in new mask mandates and a continued push for a 2 tiered system no longer backed by any science.
From your link:
"“Although vaccines remain highly effective at preventing severe disease and deaths from COVID-19, our findings suggest that vaccination is not sufficient to prevent transmission of the delta variant in household settings with prolonged exposures,” the study said." JesseBahnFuhrer translation: "preventing severe disease and deaths" isn't perfect, so throw these vaccines in the trash! Oh, and, food sometimes causes food poisonings and deaths, too... STOP with the evil "food" shit!
From the link also: "...our analysis suggests that direct protection of individuals at risk of severe outcomes, via vaccination and non-pharmacological interventions, will remain central to containing the burden of disease..."
JesseBahnFuhrer translation: Masks are evil, and the science of masks isn't proven yet!
BTW, I am STILL waiting for “the science” concerning sneeze guards at the salad bars, to be settled! Meanwhile, “R” party governors are FORBIDDING sneeze guards at the salad bars!!!
Who volunteers to eat what MAY be mucus from strangers, on their salads, in double-blind, MASSIVELY statistically significant studies, to settle this, for once and for all? Because I just KNOW, oh so VERY well, that once the “science” is settled, there will be NO tribalistic ideologues who will dispute these findings! We are ALL data-driven now!
OK, the above was a bit of hyperbole... To show that I am NOT exaggerating the tribalism going on here, I leave you with this:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
Hey retard. Read my post. I call put the pieces you mention when I state it is a prophylactic you shit eating moron.
The vaccines are only effective as a prophylactic as an individual.
But since it only helps prevent an individuals risk, mandates are not needed as it doesn't reduce societal risk.
But you're such an authoritarian fuck you'll use any excuse to force people to do shit even at no benefit to society.
Tds broke you sarcasmic. You support authoritarianism and find ways to excuse it.
"But you're such an authoritarian fuck you'll use any excuse to force people to do shit even at no benefit to society."
Citation please, when I have done that! Liar!
Meanwhile...
https://www.stardem.com/news/national/survey-20-of-americans-32-of-republicans-worry-covid-vaccines-are-part-of-government-microchip/article_a8f34620-d6c1-5eba-8000-1215d552c235.html
Survey: 20% of Americans, 32% of Republicans worry COVID vaccines are part of government microchip plot
WHO is being data-driven here, JesseBahnFuhrer?
My wife and I live in Texas, and she faces bone marrow transplants soon. They will take down her immune system for that. Governor Abbot has just decided that HE knows BETTER than doctors and hospitals, and so He FORBIDS the hospital from firing cootie-bags of un-vaccinated doctors and nurses who reject vaccines and “germ theories” of disease! We may NOT chose a hospital where medical barbarians and savages are EXCLUDED! ‘Cause HE knows better than we, and our doctors, do!
THEY, businesses, and NOT the government, should be making the decisions! So we don’t have firm “science” about masks? No VAST databases and double-blind studies? Well, we’ve not done that with sneeze-guards at the salad bar either! I would LIKE to be able to freely choose to eat at salad bars with sneeze-guards, and not have the Governor double-guessing on me, and minding my business! If OTHER people want to eat at salad bars WITHOUT sneeze guards, they, too, should be free!
What gets “lost in the sauce” here is people (who are IDEOLOGICALLY motivated) want to “debate the science” about vaccines and masks, and mandates, and what they REALLY want to do, is “capture” government policies… NOT really giving us individual FREEDOM. And Trumps, and Governors, and Emperor-Wannabees tap into that , and make slaves out of us, using our own power-hungers!
I want to choose salad bars with sneeze guards, and hospitals with vaccinated staffs, for my wife, while her immune system is down. Others should be free to choose otherwise. But what I see all around me, is people GROWING Government Almighty, under the illusion that THEY, not others, will be The Chosen Pussy Grabbers!
(And I really don’t care how many studies have found what, about sneeze guards at the salad bars. I don’t want too much mucus from strangers, on my salad, is all).
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pharmacist-who-intentionally-destroyed-500-covid-vaccine-doses-gets-three-n1269944
I don't want an ideologically brainwashed idiot like THAT working at my wife's hospital! YOU go there is fine by me! Where is MY freedom?
You just tried to dismiss the fact that vaccinations don't reduce spread by citing other parts of the article about individual, not group, benefit. The sole reason to refute in that manner is to continue to justify a mandate shit eater. You have constantly fought against those against mandates. You know this sarc. Overt nailed you on it. Youre a dishonest piece of shit.
You're a dishonest piece of shit, JesseBahnFuhrer! I am against GOVERNMENT ALMIGHTY mandates, for anyone other than those employed by Government Almighty, and Government Almighty contractors! You want your army to half fall over sick and dead, in the middle of a war, 'cause they claim to be brave enough to withstand rifle fire, bombs, grenades, etc., to defend our freedoms... But they are afraid of a fuckin' pussy NEEDLE STICK in their arms? I want them to defend the nation, and not fall sick in droves, in the middle of a war, is all! Do you deny that vaccines prevent massive outbreaks of illness and death? When government is the employer, they should have hire-and-fire policies as they see fit.
Government mandates on what PRIVATE EMPLOYERS do, is an over-reach!
Liars who lie about what I have and have not said, are over-reaching as well!
https://www.businessinsider.com/conservative-radio-hosts-anti-maskers-death-covid-19-2021-9
At least 7 conservative radio hosts and anti-mask advocates have died from COVID-19 after bashing the vaccines
Intergalactic or Cosmic-Karmic ironic coincidence, maybe? Or candidates for Darwin Awards?
Have you had your shots yet, oh-so-brave armchair warrior (AKA pussy-shit)? Better get some rabies shots while you're at it, Mad-Dog!
As Ken Shultz has lectured about on the other weekend thread, if our soldiers and police are scared of needles, get them a bit drunk beforehand.
(Of course, alcohol has WAY more well known bad side effects than COVID vaccines, but most Americans don’t have a problem with drinking alcohol.)
You’re such a disingenuous shitweasel.
Let me know when alcohol kills 16,000 people in 8 months, leaves a hundred thousand more with permanent heart failure, and causes 600,000 further adverse reactions.
Also, alcohol kills coronavirus. In that regard, it's got at least one thing going for it that the vaccine doesn't.
No you aren't against them you lying shit.
In every ficking thread about mandates you attack those who are anti mandate as anti science. You don't say one fucking word about being against mandates. You join the likes of jeff on saying why vaccines should be at 100% of the population. And you use non sequitur like just now in a comment about vaccines not helping stop the spread.
Youre a lying shit weasel. If you were truly anti mandates you would make that clear instead of attacking those who are as anti science you retarded fuck.
Stop lying sarc. Your political need to be anti team red has corrupted what minimal liberty you support. Even now you care more about attacking me than saying "good, vaccines don't stop spread, we should be against mandates."
Youre full of shit and a liar at that. Not everybody is retarded and drunk like you sarc.
So you're a pussy-shit ignorant rube who won't take a needle stick to help prevent the spread of disease, as well as lying about what I have written. Are you PROUD of being a pussy-shit liar? And do you think that school children who get vaccines, then have cooties for 30 days afterwards? Is it cooties, or micro-chips, by the way?
I took the vaccine you retarded shit. Again you resort to strawman to push for mandates. You aren't against mandates. You relish in them. You use lies to push for it.
Youre an authoritarian fuck. You want others to have less freedom so you can gain a small sliver of an appearance of safety. Youre a statist. Thank you for proving it today.
I believe he is indeed proud of being a liar. And he should be. It's the only thing he's good at.
Again you claim to have me muted yet are pushing purely lies about what you didnt read in response. Hmm..
Jesse isn’t the liar here.
The only thing more pathetic and embarrassing than when you accidentally forget to log out of your main when you want to post copypasta on your sock is when you reply to yourself after having outed your sock dozens of times.
Yeah, he's a pussy. Not you who has spent 2 years hiding in your house like a pathetic little faggot bitch wearing 3 masks and demanding that all of society take an experimental drug that doesn't prevent the spread of any illness, has killed 16,000 people, and racked up over a million adverse reactions including stroke, heart failure, heart attack and myocarditis.
Sorry to parachute into the middle of an argument, but I would like to ask about one point you made:
“I am against GOVERNMENT ALMIGHTY mandates, for anyone other than those employed by Government Almighty, and Government Almighty contractors!”
This does start to become a massive problem with an ever expanding government. I don’t think we should look at this as an employer/employee or customer/supplier relationship. It is still government all mighty dictating to its citizens. If the government is continued to allowed to expand until it either does business with or employs every adult in the country, then by your assertion it is justified to take rights away since we are all employees or suppliers. We then get into a position where we have authoritarianism masquerading as free association. Do you have some limit on this or clarification?
"My wife and I live in Texas, and she faces bone marrow transplants soon. They will take down her immune system for that. Governor Abbot has just decided that HE knows BETTER than doctors and hospitals, and so He FORBIDS the hospital from firing cootie-bags of un-vaccinated doctors and nurses who reject vaccines and “germ theories” of disease! We may NOT chose a hospital where medical barbarians and savages are EXCLUDED! ‘Cause HE knows better than we, and our doctors, do!"
That is not the government dictating anything. That is SQRLSY caring about his wife's medical care.
No, it is him lying about a situation to force a mandate. They already have protections in place post surgery or post Kemotherapy dumbass.
If you belive sarcs fake scenario is accurate then all optional vaccines should be mandatory.
But on top of that it is up to him to have an environment to protect himself and his wife. Or do you think his wife should be randomy cavorting in public post surgery? We've dealt with compromised immune systems for a century. Yet now you turn to risk as means to control the populace.
"They already have protections in place post surgery or post Kemotherapy dumbass."
Governor Abbott says "no" to that! The hospital may NOT fire medical barbarians and savages from hospital employment, "merely" because they (savages) believe that vaccines carry cooties and micro-chips! Hospitals (frequented by many-many-MANY sick people) are already inadvertently spreading disease already, despite (usually) best efforts! So... Are COVID viruses going to respect any of JesseBahnFuhrer's lies? Are they going to respect medical text books and procedures? Or are the medical idiot ideologues going to pull stunts like this?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pharmacist-who-intentionally-destroyed-500-covid-vaccine-doses-gets-three-n1269944
I wouldn't put it past them (idiot ideologues) to give me a "vaccine shot" that was nothing but water, to "protect" my from vaccine cooties, for my own good! Authoritarians and ideologues ALWAYS know what is best for me!
Then go to a facility where all of the staff has voluntarily taken the vaccine. You don't have a right to force a medical procedure onto other people because you are pisslessly terrified of a cold bug with a 1/10 of 1% fatality rate you pathetic little faggot pussy bitch.
I'm sure physicians working in the upper echelons of Yale and Harvard medical schools are just devastated that you, a self-admitted homeless drug addict and alcoholic who lost custody of his children to his wife in an acrimonious divorce for which he still refuses to take responsibility and whose highest level of employment was as a fry cook who deliberately burned customers' food because he's a deranged prick, think they are savages by the way.
1. You are not SQRLSY. I am interested in hearing SQRLSY‘s clarification on the comment SQRLSY made.
2. You are not even close to addressing the question I asked. SQRLSY is against gov mandates unless it applies to gov employees or contractors. I want clarification on that.
Why the fuck would you ever want to hear anything that gibbering idiot has to say?
"post Kemotherapy"
Did JesseAz really spell that with a 'K'? Is he unaware that chemotherapy is related to chemicals or chemistry?
Kemotherapy comes from Kemo Sabe and his horse! JesseBahnFuhrer gets His therapies from Kemo Sabe's horse's ass!
(Horse turds come out in big balls, typically, just FYI. I wonder at time how JesseBahnFuhrer swallows such BIG balls! Then I remind myself, He DOES have an AWFULLY big, and supposedly oh-so-smart, mouth!)
Oh you got me Mike. It was my h02 moment.
I wouldn’t pull too hard on that thread.
Coming from a guy who thought the chemical formula for water was HO2 and then relentlessly defended that position for days after being corrected, this is fucking rich.
sarcasmic's wife left him years ago, as he has stated literally hundreds of times in a bumbling drunken stupor.
Also as I pointed out to sarcasmic when he posted that idiotic shit, he's more than free to insist that he and his wife see only physicians and medical staff who have been vaccinated if he is so mind bogglingly fucking stupid as to be ignorant of the fact that most medical personnel have already had and cleared the virus and have antibodies that are between 13 and 27 times more effective than his magic talisman. sarcasmic doesn't have a right to conscript other people to take an experimental drug because his imaginary wife is ill.
Stonebraker, I share your concern about always more and more and MORE Government Almighty, and Government Almighty employees! I favor separation of church and state, AND separation of medicine and state, school and state, and separation of "licensing / certification" and state. Government Almighty should be about 10% to 20% of what it is now. (Good luck in getting that, though, of course).
However, I want public-minded Government Almighty employees... Who act for the public good. Unless you have some valid medical reason NOT to get a vaccine, whining and crying about a needle stick does NOT show much public-mindedness! Let private employers set the policies for their own employees, though, please! Just don't LIE about your policies, please, though, also!
I believe we are almost entirely in agreement. I usually say that the government should be around 5% of current scale.
I have said this in the past, but when the government is such a huge part of our lives, every discussion becomes more convoluted than it should be.
“However, I want public-minded Government Almighty employees... Who act for the public good”
Unfortunately, government almighty is the one who gets the final say in what is public good. I don’t even totally trust them with that.
“Let private employers set the policies for their own employees, though, please!”
You and I are in 100% agreement.
“I share your concern about always more and more and MORE Government Almighty, and Government Almighty employees!”
This is why I am always concerned about how arguments (or even just discussions) are phrased and what we allow the government to do with little or no push back. Even some small regulation or legal precedent that you are sympathetic to can be expanded and used against you by the next group of gov thugs. That is why I asked about clarification on allowing mandates for gov employees and contractors.
Stonebraker, you sound like an eminently sensible humanoid! All too rare these days, sad to say... Nuance goes out the window in a heartbeat, in these hyper-partisan days!
I am happy with the "middle ground" found by most businesses these days... Some mandate masks, some don't. Some people wear masks, others don't. I am happy either way, and will shop in either kind of store. I have my vaccine! Life is good!
The below I wrote, pre-vaccines, I think. I do ***NOT*** think civilian life should be made into one giant military camp! But the below still captures some wisdom, I think...
“Masks don’t stop the virus, dude.”
Do masks HELP SPREAD the virus, then?
More to the point, not everything that “society” or an organization does, needs to be DIRECTLY RELATED to what needs to get done! In hazardous-duty organizations (think military, cops, firefighters) the new recruits are harassed, hazed, etc., and made to follow apparently senseless rules. Am I REALLY less capable of killing enemy soldiers if my boots aren’t spit-shined and polished? Or my hair isn’t cut perfectly?
WHY are things done this way? In such organizations? Sudden, un-expected dangers arise, and one has to take orders, without debate, because action has to be taken QUICKLY!!! Sudden dangers arise, and people have to TRUST each other, put aside any selfish pride or vanity, and HELP one another (and the organization), sometimes even at great dangers to themselves. And these are precisely the professions where there is “hazing” or “harassing” or “abusing” the newcomer to the group. The organization is essentially driving out the egotists, the whiners, and the prima donnas whose egos and vanity are too large to handle these working situations, for the good of the group. The “abuse” (within limits) is not so senseless after all. The organization’s veterans are asking the newcomer, “Can you put your ego aside, for the good of the group?”
Similarly (I know the “mandatory” Government-Almighty-driven measures have gone overboard), when I go shopping, in the era of Covid, I will shop ONLY where the masks are MANDATED by the shop-owner(s), so that I know that the NON-socially-conscious, arrogant, self-centered assholes will NOT come over and deliberately cough in my face, as I have read about, in some cases! You may call the masks “virtue signaling” if you’d like; I don’t care! The wearing of the mask DOES display real virtues (of public-mindedness), just as did my boots-polishing crap when I was in the military! Deal with it!
I like a store that “fences out” the so-called “ladies” as in the below case!
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/maskless-woman-seen-on-video-coughing-on-customer-inside-ny-bagel-store-after-argument
Maskless woman seen on video coughing on customer inside NY bagel store after argument
Difficulty... not a single company actually set the mandate policy prior to government giving them the okay. Just this week multiple CEOs asked the administration to stop woth the mandates. They are not doing it of their free will.
You are discussing this with an actor who knows this but hides behind company rights while ignoring the federal influence. It is purely dishonest and you should realize that.
It is a way they have hidden their authoritarianism.
And likewise liberty should be maximized at the individual, not trand national corporations. When the latter occurs you are simply supporting fascism.
"Difficulty... not a single company actually set the mandate policy prior to government giving them the okay."
Citation please! It's not asking much! Have you personally interviewed ALL companies, to verify this?
Jesse,
I agree that many and maybe even most of the businesses had not planned on implementing a mandate. However, there may have been some that freely wanted to, and they should have the right to do so. I have no sympathy at all for the Biden EO.
I do have some sympathy for the intent of the Abbott EO. However, I also have several sticking points on the Abbott EO.
1. I am always concerned with precedents that are set by new government regulation. Giving the government another point of control over businesses is a bad precedent and not one that I am comfortable handing over to the democrats. Again I have some sympathy for the intent, but not the precedents that it sets.
2. I am a small business owner and every one of these laws is just another intrusion in the operation of the business that leads to fatigue and distracts from the actual operation of the business. Even if I don’t intend on requiring vaccination for my employees, I still need to have proof that vaccination status was not the reason for firing someone during an unemployment dispute and to avoid punishment from the state government. Even addressing the government investigations on this type of stuff is stressful and exhausting. It may be a small ask, but it definitely accumulates, and it is death by a million cuts that gives advantages to larger businesses that can more easily handle additional regulation.
3. I am also very concerned about covert regulation of businesses and citizens. This would be threats and coercion by the government to achieve the same goals as legislation without having to pass legislation. I believe that giving any government more overt control over businesses will definitely increase the governments ability to covertly control all of us.
While Abbott’s EO gives employees their ability to choose whether to take the vaccine or not (a win), it still exerts control over businesses and punishes them for making decisions that the government does not like (a massive loss). We need to draw a line in the sand at some point and fight all government intrusion.
Ultimately, I think we share a lot of the same concerns, but I don’t think giving the government more control is the way out.
SQRLSY,
This is probably too late of a reply on a dead thread.
To me, the phrase “public minded ness” assumes that there is one singularly approved position that is in the public interest. This does not take into account different peoples various motivations, risk tolerances to different types of risks (real or perceived) and guiding principles. The only moral way to decide what is best is to let the market decide. This allows people the freedom to make choices that are in line with what they perceive to be best - obviously as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others.
So I support the right of a business to require vaccines of their employees and customers as well as supporting the right of the business to not require it. It looks like this is generally where you land. Although I do believe it also in my right to criticize/personally boycott businesses that make decisions that I find inappropriate and creepy. Which I also think this is where you land.
I am completely against the government making any such requirements and this includes of their employees and suppliers. As I said before, this just turns into covert authoritarianism.
It looks like you feel that it is irrational and selfish (against public good) to argue against or choose to not get vaccinated or wear a mask. However, I do believe that there are nuanced positions on the side against these requirements based on varying opinions to the different decision points I listed above. I think a lot of people on the anti mitigation side believe that they are doing what is for the public good fighting against these types of requirements. The reasons can include: it opens the door to support for government control, widespread masking is damaging to society’s mental health, it creates a less connected community when you can’t fully interact with people in public and it creates a perception that others are dangerous and must be avoided/not trusted/controlled.
So in short, I support the ability for businesses to choose their own requirements (which don’t even need a justification in my opinion), and I support the ability of the market to either reward or punish those businesses. The government needs to get out of the discussion all together.
Stonebraker...
I read all of your comments here and agree with you totally! I especially sympathized with your comments about wanting to focus on your small business objectives, and NOT having to get side-tracked on yet MORE government micro-management!
Crazy suggestion: Can we "specially protect" each and every tiny segment of sliced-and-diced humanity, but firmly specify that ALL categories are EXACTLY EQUALLY "specially protected"? (From being fired, not hired, etc.) Then we could actually be EQUAL (in the eyes of law enforcement, business management, college admissions, etc.)!
Except when the state forces physicians to undergo certain types of medical treatment because you're a retarded sack of shit who doesn't understand basic immunology.
Irwin Crutch, have you EVER placed a crutch under your crippled so-called "brain"? It is BADLY in need of a crutch!
I have clearly stated, again and again, that if YOU want to eat the mucus and spittle of strangers at YOUR fave salad bar, you should be free to do so! But I would like to eat at salad bars that have sneeze guards! And asshole idiots like Governor Abbott are doing the equivalent of outlawing salad bars with sneeze guards! Governor Abbott prevents me and my wife from choosing hospitals which FENCE OUT medical barbarians who want to infest us with their anti-science cooties, while my wife's immune system is taken down for a bone marrow transplant! YOU go to a hospital that employs medical barbarians, is fine by me!
Hello??!!? Is there anyone IN THERE? Is anyone home?
I'm flattered you realized it's Crutch with an R instead of Clutch with an L you drunken fucking retard.
Nope, you're still more than free to only see physicians who have been vaccinated. You just don't get to enlist the state to conscript physicians to take an experimental medication that doesn't actually prevent infection or spread of the illness it is intended to prevent. See how easy that is? If YOU want to grovel like a retarded cargo cultist at the door of Pfizer's HQ, you should be free to do so! And everyone else should be free to ignore your pig-ignorant ass and go about their lives, because you are not entitled to grind society to a halt to assuage your neuroses.
By the way, I know your wife left you years ago and took the children sarcasmic, but if your sob story were actually true, I just want you to know that I would wish your wife an excruciatingly painful death while you watch helplessly. I hope the same for you. I'm rooting for stomach cancer, but ALS would also be acceptable. I'd like to be there to turn off your morphine and spit in your face as you choke and gasp for your last breath.
Irwin Needs-a-Crutch-for-its-so-called-"Brains"... You are an EVIL excuse for a human being! You need HELP!
Start HERE, if you have a clue!
M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
"...the fact that vaccinations don't reduce spread..."
So now vaccinations don't reduce the spread of disease? WTF, what planet are you from?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808
Herd immunity and COVID-19 (coronavirus): What you need to know
From there...
Herd immunity also can be reached when enough people have been vaccinated against a disease and have developed protective antibodies against future infection. Unlike the natural infection method, vaccines create immunity without causing illness or resulting complications. Using the concept of herd immunity, vaccines have successfully controlled contagious diseases such as smallpox, polio, diphtheria, rubella and many others.
SQRLSassy back now... But because JesseBahnFuhrer (expert on EVERYTHING) is smarter than the Mayo Clinic about this... And-or, is a pussy-shit about needles, and-or is an anti-vaccine idiot ideologue... We should all just GIVE UP on vaccines!
Maybe if JesseAz sat down and played a round or two of Pandemic?
You get your science from idiotic games? Another H02 moment from Mikey
Dee was impressed with the UN climate change dinosaur.
Watching him play Russian Roulette would be a lot more fun.
Hmm... asking for someone to kill themselves. Yeap. Bookmarked.
Or Polish roulette.
What's the matter you bootlicking faggot bitch, finally jerked it too many times to the Babbitt murder and can't get it up anymore?
Okay. You are fucking retarded. The original article you claimed yo have read is about that. And then you turn it to any mandates instead of the one specific one in the article. And you do this to push for a vaccine mandate once again. That is the sole reason you would gaslight and create a strawman argument like you just did.
Youre a fucking shit weasel sarcasmic. Stop claiming you are anti mandate when ever post is supporting the arguments of those pro mandates.
God damn. Youre too fucking dumb to understand the covid vaccine isn't even like most vaccines. And that it isnt the superset of all other vaccines.
What a retarded fucking argument sarcsmic.
JesseBahnFuhrer is foaming at the mouth like a Mad-Dog again! MORE evidence that we need MORE rabies vaccines around here!
You have tried quite a few logical fallacies in support of a vaccine mandate today while claiming to not be for a mandate. Thank you for proving youre a statist sarc.
Are you fucking retarded or just an idiot? Because Jesse was very clearly talking about the covid vaccine in particular, not vaccines in general.
He is both retarded, and an idiot. Combining both attributes, while diminishing neither.
The same one as the director of the CDC.
Unfortunately for you, the vaccinated transmit the Delta variant just as much as the unvaccinated.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/uk-study-finds-vaccinated-people-easily-transmit-delta-variant-households-2021-10-28/
Way to latch onto a news story and not even get that the story you are touting gives several reasons to get vaccinated: “38% of household contacts who were unvaccinated went on to test positive, compared to 25% of vaccinated contacts.”
What you are missing is that if vaccinated people recover from COVID more quickly, as your own story says, the window of time they may be in passing on the virus is shorter. Add the network effect of that shorter window in a highly-vaccinated community and you can significantly slow the spread. We could have even achieved herd immunity except partisan stupidity ruined that chance.
How's that 95% efficacy working out?
Also, you do realize that testing positive for COVID means zero symptoms in 90% of cases, right? As in, not even a sniffle or a cough. In 1% of cases it means hospitalization. In .01% of cases it means death. Perhaps the 1 in 10,000 risk of dying from the COVID vaccine is not worth the 13% lower chance of passing on an innocuous infection to members of your household who probably already got and recovered from COVID 2 years ago, you stupid cunt.
We likely achieved herd immunity about 9 months ago, because a majority of people have had COVID and natural antibodies are at least 13 times and as much as 27 times more effective at preventing COVID infection than the vaccine.
Mute him.
It’s not okay to be responding to the asshole and raising your blood pressure.
“Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot”
WTF
"Vaccines are unclean, and their unclean micro-chipped cooties spread like wildfire"! (Especially so, doubly so, if the unclean ones aren't on the "R" team).
Science, I'm-a-tellin' ya!
"Surgeons who have already had and recovered from COVID and decline to be vaccinated with an experimental vaccine that not only doesn't prevent the spread of COVID but has also killed 16,000 people and counting are savages who are a-tryin' to kill my wife!"
Science, I'm-a-telling' ya!
Citation please? Are the vaccines killing us all via cooties, or micro-chips? Are the micro-chips from the Lizard People, or the Amphibian People?
You've already been provided it at least a dozen times, but here you go for the dozen and first.
Unlike you I'm not a histrionic pussy bitch so I don't make wild, unsupported claims about anything "killing us all". Of the 16,000 people who have been killed by the vaccine the cause of death is mostly, but by no means exclusively, from clotting disorders and heart attacks. Your imaginary wife is 1,000 times more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the hospital than from the deadly 'rona.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vax-deaths-vs-covid-deaths/
No, There Weren’t More COVID-19 Vaccine Deaths Than COVID-19 Deaths
A vaccine adverse reaction tracking tool was misleadingly interpreted by junk news sites.
Got any MORE blatant LIES for us, Servant of the Evil One?
Oh by the way... Med-tech known as "food" kills people via "food poisoning" from time to time... Does Evil-befestered Crutch-Clutching Mentally-and-Morally CRIPPLED ONE say we should STOP eating food? You first!
Makes as much sense as wearing masks after you've had COVID and been vaccinated. More, actually, since about 20% of the students will experience myocarditis within 30 days of getting the shot and miss 3-10 days of school while recuperating in a hospital, followed by 6 months of being essentially bedridden and having to avoid all strenuous activity.
The shit eater lies.
The real-world data has been quite clear on this for a while. That's why they had to change the definition of vaccine.
OMG, the definition of a word evolved to keep with technological advancement! Do you know they changed the definition of “aircraft” to include helicopters!!!
Words don't evolve you post modernism dimwit. If a new word is needed it can be created. You don't change words to change a narrative. God damn.
That’s just him being a disingenuous shitweasel again.
"The vaccines are only effective as a prophylactic as an individual."
You're more aware of the current data than I am, but are they even effective as a prophylactic? I had thought they were primarily effective as a therapeutic, minimizing bad events if one got infected?
There is a slight benefit foe the truly high risk. For kids there is none as per Pfizer own words in their study on kids. For those under 55 it is probably a near zero benefit.
I for one won't get boosters every 6 months.
And on top of that the deaths are still largely tied to obesity and other comorbidities, many common in old age.
Their study on kids was 2200 healthy participants in countries not experiencing outbreaks. They weren’t likely to get sick and they didn’t. So, of course it was not a significant benefit to be vaccinated.
They should have tested it on unhealthy fat kids and bedridden kids. The kind that could actually need a helpful vaccine.
But they didn’t. Because they wanted there to be zero deaths or side effects. They want to sell vials of the stuff.
By contrast 400,000 kids were in the experiment to test the attenuated polio vaccine before it was approved, over several years. That’s why parents didn’t hesitate to get their kids inoculated.
Well that and the fact that polio was crippling about 10% of children in the US and killing another .1% while COVID, statistically speaking, simply does not affect children.
"As I've argued many times, the federal government should give cash to eligible people"
... A libertarian magazine????????????? B.S.....
a pragmatic magazine.
We ARE going to take by force from some and give without review to others. It only remains to see how much is taken, who gets the loot, and how much will they get while the philosophers argue over the rules.
It really bothers some people here that Reason allows their writers and contributors intellectual freedom. Mercy!
Intellectual definition is - of or relating to the ability to think in a logical way.
^Start there... There is nothing 'logical' about Gov-Gun theft.
Gov-Gun-Force =/= Wealth.
When "intellectual freedom" means calls for political violence against conservatives, as with Shikha Dalmia, or advocating for redistribution programs, as with Baylen Linnekin, that's understandable. It would really bother Catholics, for example, if the church allowed its priests and bishops intellectual freedom to deny the divinity of Christ, because it's in direct contradiction with a fundamental tenet of their belief system.
And notice all of the "universal" basic income plans neglect to repeal any other government programs.
I'm going off topic here because I want to talk about the KillAllRednecks sock.
Yesterday Chuck P. mentioned that a good friend of his had recently died, and KAR started harrassing him, calling his dead friend a pig and such, which is par for the course with lefties.
However then he took shit way to far.
Chuck P. had mentioned enough information about his friends death that KAR was able to find a story about it and the man's name. KAR then created a sock under the dead friend's real name, assumed his identity, and started posting that he was in hell and his wife and kids would join him unless they stopped being Mormons.
You can see for yourselves here: https://reason.com/2021/10/29/bidens-new-spending-framework-promises-to-do-everything-but-still-cost-nothing-that-doesnt-make-sense/?comments=true#comment-9182998
This may be the shittiest thing I've ever seen done here in the Reason comments. It's light years over the line and I think we should do something about it.
Which lefty troll do you guys think is running the KAR sock? Is it DOL? Sqrlsy? Shrike? or sarcasmic? It doesn't really fit Jeff or White Mike's MO.
I'd like to find out and give them a taste of their own shit, and I hope that the rest of you will join me.
This is all projection by a known identity-theft troll, which is even worse than a "mere" troll.
Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer… How is Your new org coming along? Are You gaining many new converts and perverts to “Expert Christian Theologians for Identity Theft?” And where do we sign up for your newsletter?
In https://reason.com/2021/03/21/why-we-still-shouldnt-censor-misinformation/#comment-8818090 Mamma fesses to her being an identity-thief and sock!
chemjeff radical individualist
March.21.2021 at 4:27 pm
Uh oh, I think you left your sock on.
Reply
1. SQRLSY 0ne
March.21.2021 at 5:06 pm
Yeah, sigh.
Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer, Expert Christian Theologian! Did Jesus appear to You in a vision, and tell You that ID theft is a GREAT, wonderful thing? Or ARE You Jesus, returned to us, maybe?
Man you are drunk early sarc. Or is it just still?
Sqrlsy you vile piece of shit. Are you defending what KAR did, or is KAR actually you?
This is some unrelated dead guy and his family who KAR doxxed and posted horrible shit in his name. This is far fucking beyond you're usual trolling.
Because if this was you, I will find you. And if you're defending this I will make every fucking post you make here a nightmare for you.
As for your demented allegation, using the fucking mute button shows everyone it was KAR, you piece of fucking garbage. But that's beside the point. IS KAR YOUR SOCK?
I don't "sock", unlike known, evil bitches who not only sock, but also steal IDs!
MarxistMammaryBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer, Queen of ALL of the Most Righteous Echo Chambers, are you the new sock for Tulpa? Did YOU write that letter to "Dear Abby"?
“Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:
Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
My life is a mess,
Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
I whinny seductively for the horses,
They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
My real name is Mary Stack,
NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
On disability, I live all alone,
Spend desperate nights by the phone,
I found a man named Richard (Dick) Decker,
But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
Dick Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!
So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/#comments-wrapper
Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
Pause…
Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!
So Richard Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!
So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!
But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!
Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!
Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!
What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?
-Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
Yours Truly,
R Mac / Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan
ML knows the truth. But he's a liar so he'll never admit it. So any conversation with him is a waste of time. He's best on mute.
So more talking about ideas?
sarcasmic doesn't know what the fuck is going on, but if KAR is doxxing dead men and their families to own Chuck P, he's cool with it. Chuck is on sarc's enemies list after all.
Maybe if you wanted to sell the lie you shouldn't have posted your Sqrsly copypastas on your sarcasmic handle you drunken fucking sack of shit.
Keep replying to yourself though, it's not at all an embarrassment that makes you look even more pathetic and stupid than you already do.
Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!
So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…
Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:
Hi Fantastically Talented Author:
Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.
At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.
Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .
Thank You! -Reason Staff
It's nice when you just pick a random wall of text from your copypasta reservoir without regard for whether or not it fits the conversation you're pretending to be involved in.
But hey, you at least managed to post it with the correct sock this time! That's progress! Good job sarcasmic!
Be sure to send your writings to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com ! You're sitting on an un-tapped GOLD MINE!!!!
So if it wasn't you, then why are you defending it?
What KAR did was the single worst thing done here, and that's saying something when you look at some of the shit Shrike and Hihn posted. Why the hell did you run cover for it?
When did I defend the often-overly-hateful posts of KAR? Citation please!
I call you an evil bitch all of the time, because YOU ARE an evil bitch! Hitler and Stalin fought, you know... If I say bad things about Hitler, am I defending Stalin? If I say bad things about shit-and-barf sandwiches, am I defending smegma-and-mucus sandwiches?
WAKE UP, evil bitch!
ML is not evil. ML is a liar. Period. There is no point at all in talking with liars.
Lol. The hypocrisy daily from you. Even when you've been given direct quotes you claim people are lying.
True. So fuck-off sarcasmic, you hateful, trolling piece-of-garbage.
Right here, asswipe:
SQRLSY One
October.30.2021 at 11:25 am
This is all projection...
identity-theft... is even worse than a "mere" troll.
What KAR did was far fucking worse than any "mere" troll. And a million times worse than people spoofing your crazy ass no matter how mad it made you.
This was a horrific real-world attack on an unrelated grieving family, for the sake of owning some other guy on the internet. But you hand-waved it away as nothing and started bitching about being spoofed to redirect the conversation.
Fucking unreal.
shreek posted kiddie porn, keep in mind.
That is rich with irony coming from a congenital liar like yourself who makes up lies about any libertarian being a pedophile.
In fact it is likely that you MAGA/QAnon types are the pedos:
A QAnon influencer who accused Democrats of being pedophiles turned out to be a convicted child molester
https://www.yahoo.com/news/qanon-influencer-accused-democrats-being-115417756.html
Pot, meet kettle.
Chumby
October.29.2021 at 1:05 pm
Flag Comment Mute User
Someone that would waste their time and energy to be so crude doesn’t value themselves.
Pot, meet kettle.
You're one of the liars here who frequently falsely accuses libertarians of being pedophiles.
The original account posted child pornography. That is not in dispute.
We have heard the varying stories about a sockpuppet false flagging. Reason would have deleted the account associated with the incident and not any similarly named.
Reason dropped the ball by not having it investigated and prosecuted; had they, we would nit be having this discussion.
All lies.
I have never been banned here and have posted for at least 12 years. Reason knows who I am because they have complimented me on social media.
It is you MAGA scumbags they should ban.
Remind us, what happened to Buttplug 1?
You were banned for posting deep web child porn links, you lying sack of shit.
But what KAR did was even fucking worse than that. Since you're defending what he did, I've got to ask. Is KAR your sockpuppet?
Note white Mike is just fine with this type of behavior as he cries about the behaviors of other posters.
Since you're defending what he did,
Another lie from the congenital liar. Since KAR just posted that yesterday my "defense" should be easy to find, you lying scumbag.
Why don't you make it easy for us KARplug, and give us a link.
And I'll say this to you, douchebag. An attempt to distract from what was done with Wine Mom spooky stories, is pretty much defending what was done IMO.
No need to ban them. Just mute them. They literally have nothing to add to any conversation other than personal attacks.
Okay sqrsly.
You sure do talk about individuals a lot.
Youre entire covid responses were nothing except fallies and attacks. Weird.
I'm astonished how all the lefties here are actually defending this.
Shrike, Sqrlsy and sarcasmic have really demonstrated just how evil they really are today.
The usual suspects also run deflection for the kiddie porn posting.
He has no friends left here. He has to.
Why do you guys think I have been hammering home the need to rid this country of their ilk? This is the merest taste of the depths they will sink to. What is happening to America is a reflection of people like them.
You are an admitted pedophile. We should find out who you really are and arrange for you to receive justice for your kiddie porn and (likely) child molestation.
Or you could do yourself and the world at large a favor and kill yourself.
Hey "Patriotic" Last Refuge of Scoundrels…
Scoundrel, drinking Sexless Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey Scoundrel…
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
Hey sarcasmic, you're defending a kiddie-porn poster and you lost custody of your children because you fucked your underage daughter. How does it feel to stick your semi-erect whiskey-dick in your own flesh and blood you piece of shit? Was it worth it?
Hey Supposed-"Brains"-needs-a-Crutch...
WHY are ye NOT out there earning more money for Lord Trump? Or at least, taking down more welfare checks for the same? Instead of wasting your time thread-shitting here? Get GOING; Lord Trump NEEDS you!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypillow-guy-mike-lindell-punts-timeline-for-trump-retaking-power-as-august-conspiracy-theories-get-wackier
MyPillow Guy Punts Timeline for Trump Retaking Power as Conspiracy Theories Get Wackier
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/22/mike-lindell-still-in-trumps-good-graces-has-new-prediction-reinstatement-by-new-years/
The Lord Trump didn’t return to us as scheduled, but the Second Coming is now re-scheduled. You can TRUST us THIS time, for sure!
The Lord Trump DID return to us faithful ones, but He did it in an invisible way! Hold strong in your Faith in Him!
The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, this is true! It only did NOT happen because YOU were not faithful enough, and didn’t send Him enough donations!
The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, but He DID miraculously protect us all from the VERY worst forces of Evil, which is Der BidenFuhrer! Hold fast in your Faith… Lord Trump will come back VERY soon now! Especially if you send more money!
The Lord Trump moves in Mysterious Ways! All will be revealed SOON! Especially if you have Enough Faith to DONATE till it HURTS!
Don't you feel a little bit silly calling anyone else a welfare queen when you're a self-confessed homeless drug addict and alcoholic who receives section 8 housing and food stamps, sarcasmic?
Cool non-sequiturs by the way. At least these ones are relatively recent by comparison of 2-5 year old radical left wing media links.
Look at Shrike deflect here. "So what, over there is QAnon bogeyman, and he's making fun of the Dems for being pedo".
I can't believe that Sqrlsy and Shrike are both running cover for this. I thought the guilty party would defend it and the rest would disavow. I guess that they're even bigger pieces of garbage than I thought.
You’re not a libertarian. And you did post a link you sick fucking piece of shit.
It is shrike.
Fuck you.
I actually like Mormons. Although they believe silly stuff they tend to be nice to others - unlike your Fundie Christo-Fascist nutjobs that pervade the South.
Chaff and redirect using KAR language. Keep posting.
Ditto. Although, I’m personally an atheist, I have Mormon friends and Mormons who have played important, positive roles in my life.
I still wonder at some of their beliefs, but realize most have been part of an all-encompassing family of believers since childhood. I respect their strong family-orientation although I recognize it can have a dark side, such as exhausted mothers, keeping up appearances, and rejection of gay children.
God damn. You really are a bigot. Mormonism is just about rejecting gay children? What the actual fuck? Day that about black families or Mexican families next. What a bigoted piece of shit.
Blacks were not allowed in the Mormon church until recently.
All religion is evil but Mormons tend to be nice people these days.
I think we found KAR.
It was obvious from day 1.
I really hope he dies slowly and in agony.
I do as well, but buttlpug ain't KAR. It's sarcasmic. Buttplug runs the QueenAmalthea sock, the Dajjal sock, and the AddictionMyth sock, but KAR is a little outside his wheelhouse. If KAR isn't sarcasmic, and I'd put the odds at 99.7% that it is, then it's Tony (who is also raspberrydinners, who has a very similar posting style).
I know a few 3rd Gen people that would disagree
Sarcasm, kill rednecks, squirrel, butt plug, and a bunch of others I’ve muted and it’s the best way to read this site in a relaxed way.
They’re not funny or smart or even interesting.
Stop talking socks and relax, too.
KAR is sarcasmic for sure. Sqrly is also sarcasmic, so distinction without a difference there.
Right-wing extremism in the United States appears to be growing. The number of terrorist attacks by far-right perpetrators rose over the past decade, more than quadrupling between 2016 and 2017. The recent pipe bombs and the October 27, 2018, synagogue attack in Pittsburgh are symptomatic of this trend. U.S. federal and local agencies need to quickly double down to counter this threat. There has also been a rise in far-right attacks in Europe, jumping 43 percent between 2016 and 2017.
Terrorist attacks by right-wing extremists in the United States have increased. Between 2007 and 2011, the number of such attacks was five or less per year. They then rose to 14 in 2012; continued at a similar level between 2012 and 2016, with a mean of 11 attacks and a median of 13 attacks; and then jumped to 31 in 2017.7 FBI arrests of right-wing extremists also increased in 2018. 8
https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states
The Democrats elect their antisemites. They're not just a few losers posting about Israel on 8chan.
Go on Shrike. Ask me about Democratic pols making antisemitic statements.
Jews gravitate to Democrats because they don't like you NAZI GOPers. No surprise there.
Omar and Talib are disgusting. I would never defend them.
"NAZI GOPers"
You mean like these ones yesterday?
Lincoln Project Posed as Charlottesville White Supremacists at GOP Event
Turned out they were all members of the Virginia Young Democrats, and one was even the leader.
Buttplug and his pals are so desperate for Nazi GOPers that they have to do the job themselves. From now on whenever Buttplug cries about Nazis I'm just going to assume that it's actually him.
Don’t think those progressives had to look hard for their white supremacist outfits.
they are so progressive that they didn’t realize having a black guy pretending to be a Nazi would be a bad idea
So the rule of thumb is lefties like Jews so long as they are not in Israel. Righties like jews so long as they stay in Israel.
American Jews and democrats. Now look at the demographics of the Jewish community. They vote in line with others of the same cohort
I don’t know if it is true.
Obama after the election invited leaders of the Jewish community to the White House. They had a visit and Obama said “and I promise we will make a kosher kitchen here”. The chief rabbi said “that is nice. Now talk with us about the economy”.
Really? So I didn't see a bunch of videos from leftist cities of people beating down the jews?
Who are you are going to believe, Echospinner the medical doctor who doesn't know how barbiturates work, or your lying eyes?
Yeah, I remember just last year when right wing extremists burned down most of Minneapolis, unleashed near war-zone levels of armed warfare in Chicago, attacked a federal courthouse in Portland, and declared part of Seattle an "autonomous zone". Fortunately all those insurrectionist acts were called out by the watchdog press and the organizers banned from social media, and the tally of death and destruction widely reported.
And, yet, despite supposed totalitarian control of information and speech, you managed to hear about all of it, and access viewpoints other than the liberal / progressive viewpoint.
But, hey, conservatives are always the victims.
Another strawman?
From what I can understand, White Mike thinks censoring and canceling people is awesome, but only as long as it's at the local, state or national level.
But not global.
So true. Conservatives complain incessantly about how certain information and viewpoints are censored, and then they show you the censored information and views to prove their point. It's like they don't know what censored means.
Talking about ideas and not people again?
Apparently in sarcasmicland if censorship isn't done on a global basis it doesn't count. "North Korea blocks the internet? I can still use it, so yur lying, herp derp. Oh, North Koreans? They should just move if they don't like it".
You're too stupid to post here sarcasmic.
And then when they post the censored information from a source like Rumble or Gab or Bitchute or The Federalist after the information has been scrubbed from Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Google search and been ignored entirely by all other news outlets, you dismiss it based on the source rather than addressing the censored information, and then declare there's no censorship.
It's almost like you're a braindead alcoholic piece of shit or something.
https://happymag.tv/parler-free-speech-social-media-banning-users/
Parler: new conservative ‘free speech’ social media app is banning liberal users
I am... SHOCKED! Shocked, I say!
Banning abusive trolls is exactly like banning a major national newspaper breaking a story about a presidential candidate's son selling access to his famous father, fucking his underage niece, and smoking crack.
It's interesting that banning users from a platform is suddenly a major concern for you btw. Have you given up on SECTION 230 THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE INTERNET AND THE ONLY HOPE WE HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!????????
Thanks again for replying with the wrong sock btw. It saves me a lot of time and hassle when you out yourself without me having to pull up the old links.
Compared to hundreds/thousands of terrorist attacks by left wing extremists (aka BLM and ANTIFA) in dozens of American cities in 2020, the 31 attacks by right-wing extremists in 2017 is insignificant.
But of course, left wing extremists wrote the propaganda above to deceive, scare and encourage people to vote for socialist Democrats.
During Jan. 6 riot, Trump attorney told Pence team the vice president’s inaction caused attack on Capitol
As Vice President Mike Pence hid from a marauding mob during the Jan. 6 invasion of the Capitol, an attorney for President Donald Trump emailed a top Pence aide to say that Pence had caused the violence by refusing to block certification of Trump’s election loss.
“The ‘siege’ is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so that the American people can see for themselves what happened,” Eastman wrote to Jacob, referring to Trump’s claims of voter fraud.
Eastman sent the email as Pence, who had been presiding in the Senate, was under guard with Jacob and other advisers in a secure area. Rioters were tearing through the Capitol complex, some of them calling for Pence to be executed.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/during-jan-6-riot-trump-attorney-told-pence-team-the-vice-president-s-inaction-caused-attack-on-capitol/ar-AAQ77gv?ocid=msedgntp
If the MAGA red cap wearing fascists had executed Pence according to plan the insurrection would have been successful.
I cannot thank you enough for these valuable intel briefings.
Have I mentioned you literally saved my life by warning us 5 days in advance of the 9 / 18 SECOND INSURRECTION BY RIGHTWING EXTREMISTS? That gave me time to stock up on nonperishable food items so I could afford not to leave home for a few days.
Indeed, the carnage that day was unimaginable — far surpassing anything "Islamic terrorists" have ever accomplished. But thanks to you I escaped without injury.
#ButtplugHasTheBestIntel
#9/18WasWorseThan9/11
Oops!
Try this link instead.
"If the MAGA red cap wearing fascists had executed Pence according to plan the insurrection would have been successful."
It's terrifying isn't it? The government of a superpower was literally almost toppled by a bunch of morons armed with zip ties. Oh, and a fire extinguisher.
#1/6WasWorseThan9/11
Invisible fire extinguisher.
You mean the right wing, Second Amendment loving terrorists who forgot to bring their weapons to the insurrection? The ones who were trying to destroy democracy by asking for the election to be audited to be sure the results were accurate?
“asking”
Yes, asking.
BTW Mike. You still haven't explained to us why you lied about the zip ties, the poo smear allegation, the fruit distilled "molotov cocktails" and your killer fire extinguisher.
Mike will reply with some unrelated whataboutism but crickets regarding your question.
Pretty clever of Pence to make himself appear as being under attack to throw us off the scent of his nefarious scheme.
And you mentioned qanon above? Blue anon is way more wide spread. See you.
Except he didn't.
When you married your narrative did you have a ceremony?
Well to be fair, he *should* be committed.
At best, government food boxes give people dramatically overpriced food they may not want. At worst, these food boxes waste taxpayer money without even providing that food.
The second the value of money became delinked from 'commodities' that can be the basis for valuing money, then there is no possibility for the above stuff to work. The original value of money - before gold or silver - was food. At the exact same time that writing was created, that weights and measures were created, and that 'government' of some sort managed the warehouses of that food. You lend me 10 bushels of corn and after harvest I will pay you back 12 bushels of corn.
'Money' was simply the means by which all of that gets recorded and managed over time. Once we lose that understanding of money itself, we do stupid stuff like defining 'corn' as something that can no longer be planted in the ground because hybrid corn and real corn become defined as the same thing. Or we define 'food' not as a commodity grown by farmers but as something processed into a can where that processing is what gets subsidized in programs like this.
You are still free to grow your own food. Many of us do.
Double standard is a solid open pollenated corn. One can replant last year’s kernels and get the same thing this year.
Those that think others should be working for and/or paying for their food should learn this skillset.
I have a garden too but I ain't talking about gardening. I'm talking about food as money and money as food. And money almost certainly originated as a way of tracking loans of seeds/grain for planting. ie debt/lending preceded money which preceded barter. And that only works when seeds/grain have two sorts of intrinsic value - they can be eaten immediately as food and they can be planted to produce more food later.
Toolmakers needed payment. And bartering may have occurred between modern humans and neanderthals, who were not farming.
To circle back to the article, people not providing any value should not be compensated via a coercion system. I’m all for and promote them doing for themselves such as growing their own food.
Brickbrat Reason missed (govt employees behaving badly):
https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/education/article255325606.html
Ky. school’s ‘man pageant,’ with lap dances and teens in Hooters shirts, under investigation
Hazard Independent Superintendent Sondra Combs on Wednesday confirmed that she was investigating social media photos of homecoming activities at Hazard High School that showed a scantily clad male teenager giving lap dances to staff, including the principal, who is also Hazard’s mayor...
Donald “Happy” Mobelini, principal of Hazard High School and also the mayor of Hazard, who was in the photos, did not immediately return a phone call or email asking for comment.
Brickbat.
What happened to the Edit button?
We have always had not Edit button.
That’s not a very moral Hazard…
How was the group not arrested for producing sex abuse images?
“ A congressional report released this month by House Democrats confirms two things many people already knew.”
1. That House Democrats will never get over TDS?
2. That they’re trying to divert attention from their many money wasting schemes?
If you think this food distribution scheme was an expensive disaster, wait until you see Joe Biden.
Sure enough, the usual suspects are whining and crying about Reason saying bad things about their lord and savior.
And how do you know if they are all on mute sqrsly?
sarcasmic is a peeker.
And what exact post are you even fucking talking about? The only person to mention trump at all was Mike and now you.
Oh look! There's one now!
What, not talking about the idea of Russian roulette this time?
What comment section are you reading?
Yeah when will those Trump-obsessed cultists stop discussing Trump every day when he's been out of office for almost a year.
"As I've argued many times, the federal government should give cash to eligible people so they may put that money towards their own basic needs."
Nothing like a libertarian publication promoting socialism (just more cost effectively).
Socialism means no markets. Government controls the means of production and distribution. Wealth redistribution, while being repugnant, is not socialist in the economic sense.
Also Milton Friedman, who was hardly a socialist (left wingers fly into a state of rage at the mere mention of his name) yet he supported the idea of a UBI to replace all welfare. Though as a recent article suggests, he may have been wrong.
Friedman got his preferred form of "UBI" in the negative income tax, never intended it to replace all welfare, and it's been an abysmal failure. For example, it gives you a large tax refund every year even though you don't work, live on section 8 housing, and collect welfare.
The big regret here is that Obama didn't think of it first.
Demeaning? It was meant to be at least somewhat demeaning compared to shopping with SNAP EBT cards.
This was an idea I first heard from Bill Buckley, and I forgot who he said he got it from. Due to ag policies that appear impossible to repeal (in the USA as well as elsewhere), there were huge persistent surpluses in a few food commodities. He suggested, in place of all other food benefits, just making unlimited, no-qualifications amounts of these foods available to all comers thru regional depots, and that together they would be enough human nutrition for anyone. The idea was to keep people from starving, not to supply them with their preferred menu, nor to make them feel like they were being catered to.
When I was a kid, I heard stories about how shameful it was for an adult I knew to “have to get” a brick of cheese, peanut butter, two loaves of bread, and a few other items ever week, after a brief loss of employment.
So shameful, this adult told me, he/she took any job that came, until he/she was lifted out of poverty after a few months and could afford food again.
I came to understand that welfare was necessary, but also necessarily difficult, to help someone through their worst time, without being so comfortable they’d stay poor on purpose.
Today we’ve made it too comfortable to be poor. They don’t have to come get their box of alms. They get $$ on an ATM card. Automatically. Why work?
The work requirement don’t help, because they fill out job applications for jobs they won’t take, just to have a paper trail.
The only way to fix the problem is to make the poor uncomfortable. The box of food.
Of course cash would be most efficient, but even more efficient would be to not take that money from people in the first place. When you consider how broad eligibility for food aid is now, it's silly to compare it to any truly need-based cash aid program, which would presumably be for only a small sliver of the populace. Clearly the political support for food aid is for exactly that: a very specific kind of aid, rather than general assistance. That being the case, a program that directly supplies a limited menu of foods, as Buckley suggested, preferably with no eligibility screen or quantity limits at all, would the best way to achieve what the polity seems to favor. That's why I liked what Trump's USDA experimented with, and I do think it could've been refined over a series of iterations to be the sort of forced redistribution "conservatives" would support, and which at least a fair sector of libertarians would prefer over the status quo. I'm not surprised it had scandals and inefficiencies, because all government (and even private sector) programs do.
I've never understood how anyone could go hungry in America. All someone has to do is go to a church, a food kitchen, or some other charity, and they're going to get fed. There is absolutely no need for any kind of government food assistance.
Keep voting for democrats and you will find out.
I recall when the Bushpigs advertised free food stamps in Mexico for illegals.
Bush = Republican for you dumbasses.
(in before you claim he was a Democrat)
Both parties suck. You will realize it when you grow up.
Why do you reply to him? He's an insult troll. Nothing more.
Speaking of trolls:
sarcasmic
August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm
I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is a circus.
sarcasmic
September.10.2021 at 12:14 pm
I like to stir shit up. So what.
Just look at this thread. He is a hypocrite.
sarcasmic again cozying up to a known troll who posted kiddie porn.
Then again sarcasmic had forcible intercourse with his underage daughter and lost custody of her to her mother in his acrimonious divorce. Birds of a feather.
Because everyone here are huge fans of Bush, Romney, McCain and Cheney.
In fact you and sarcasmic and your other lefty pals have said far more loving things about the neocons and RINOs, than the rest of us here have.
It is amazing that the kiddie porn poster thinks that (1) Bush is in office and (2) libertarians are supporting his agendas.
True lost. Sarcasmoc blamed curre t education on Bush just a few months ago.
"America - where all our poor people are fat".
(Bill Maher)
Yup.
Nobody tell them that Bill Maher recently said red states are nice while blue states are a "pain in the ass" and that it's time to quit with the mandates and move on from our COVID fear porn.
Not to worry sarc, Jon Stewart and Lindsay Lohan will never betray you like that.
The vast majority of food stamp recipients are obese or overweight.
So of course, Biden and other Democrats are trying to increase food stamp allotments by 25%.
That and there is no inflation according to shrike
Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.
Given our of knowledge of the obesity and COVID mortality link, that program should have been dialed back.
If anyone would know it would be the self-confessed homeless drug addict and alcoholic whose highest level of employment was as a fry cook.
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“A key element of the program involved government purchases of billions of dollars in surplus food from U.S. farmers.”
Well there you have it. Any questions ?
It's a perpetual motion machine.
Today's COVID statistics:
Oct 29, 2021 (millions vaccinated)
Deaths: 5
Deaths 7 day average: 5
Oct 29, 2020 (zero vaccinated):
Deaths: 0
Deaths 7 day average: 2
Some context of where you are talking about? I just looked up the deaths for 10/29 in the US: 2025
Google: Corona virus deaths, October 29th, 2021 vs October 29th 2020. It's right there in my message.
Google "coronavirus deaths" a handy graph comes up where you can hover over any single day, and then compare it to a day in the previous year.
Some examples 2021/2020:
Oct 27
Deaths: 10/0
7 day av: 5/2
Oct 28:
Deaths: 4/5
7 day av: 5/2
Oct 26th
Deaths: 14/11
7 day av: 5/2
Oct 25th:
Deaths: 4/0
7 day av: 4/1
Anyhoo, my point is not to say that everything is worse overall, but to point out that at this same time next year, on most days, the "epidemic" was considered by the press to be in full swing, with each death breathlessly reported. Suddenly, for this current period, we're either about the same or generally higher, yet the Pandemic is on the wane, or deaths need careful contextual reporting. "Yeah, that guy was vaxxed, but he was old and had the cancer!"
Whereas last October, that kind of contextualizing was Verboten. It was a disease that affected us all equally, don't stratify by age, vaccinate your toddler!
Addendum, I realized my counter had "Washington" selected. Good catch. Let's do a "show all"
As you point out above:
Oct 29, 2021/2020
2025/1004
1366/812
Oct 28th, 2021/2020
1773/1018
1381/787
And so on.
So thank you for that catch. I thought that was awfully low.
However, nothing about that changes the point, except the numbers are in even more stark relief. We'll see what happens as we head into November.
same time "last year"
“yet the Pandemic is on the wane”
Huh? Are you claiming the mainstream media is trying to push a narrative that the pandemic is waning?
I don’t see that at all. My newsfeed always has stories about how the pandemic is not getting better, and more people need to get vaccinated.
"I don’t see that at all. My newsfeed always has stories about how the pandemic is not getting better, and more people need to get vaccinated."
Lol, of course. Is a more "White Mike post" than this even possible. He reminds me of my great aunt who always has CNN playing in the background all day at her condo.
Another point is to point out that back in late 2020/early 2021, there was a suggestion that we were probably achieving a certain amount of herd immunity, which was also declared Verboten.
Another commenter here used to regularly post the number of both recorded infected and estimated infected by the CDC, and at the end of 2020, we were looking at ~148,000,000 infections from COVID.
As you can see from the graph, numbers started going down dramatically, and yes, the vaccine was rolling out, it wasn't rolling out that fast. I wasn't even eligible to get a vaccine until ~April... possibly a little earlier.
I have serious questions about how effective the vaccine is vs natural immunity, something which Fauci effectively laughed off and claimed that the numbers were dropping because more people were finally taking the disease seriously and were washing their hands more often.
Fauci is a joke. And here's an EXCELLENT interview of Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who explains in very respectful, scientific terms how much of a joke Fauci is.
Yawn. What is this fixation on Fauci. Just ignore the guy.
It’s Not Real
It’s Disinformation
It’s Real But Doesn’t Matter <-- TODAY'S WHITE MIKE
It Matters But Not Very Much
This is Old News
Shut Up Racist
Because the pandemic and what has been done about it has caused a great deal of pain and angst. It needs a Sith Lord in the background so people can vent about it.
I don’t really even think about him. He is not a resource on the subject to me. He is just someone who made some important contributions in immunology at one time. Now he got carried away with his own ego and wouldn’t stop talking.
It happens. Same thing happened with Scot Atlas. A big star in neuroradiology he put together the top text on Neuro MRI. Giving lectures all around the world. He must have gotten bored with that and got into the politics. But they like him because he told them what they wanted to hear.
Everyone has become an armchair expert. I can understand that because this virus has caused so much negative impact on our lives. None of it good. It is a paradox the the same people who have so much vitriol, some of it justified, aimed at people like Fauci also minimize the harms caused by the virus itself and measures like vaccines to fight it.
The good news is that it looks like we will have another weapon. A new oral antiviral developed by Merck which can be taken at home when a person becomes symptomatic and can cut severity and duration of the infection by half.
The trials were so positive that they stopped them early.
From what I have read it gets into the infected cells and starts attacking the viral RNA by mimicking nucleosides and screwing up replication.
"Everyone has become an armchair expert."
Amen! Especially Der JesseBahnFuhrer! And MANY runner-ups, in these comments!
Did you say the same thing to all of the AIDS patients he killed by withholding effective drugs, excluding them from trials, and keeping them from accessing experimental treatments while chasing a shitty pharma unicorn that never materialized, all while whipping the American public into a frenzy telling them that AIDS could be spread by household contacts? Or were you too busy hiding under your bed and snitching out the fags at your local bathhouse, you bootlicking Nazi piece of shit.
It looks like the herd immunity, something I was skeptical of, is not going to happen. If it ever goes away it would likely be due to mutation which can happen. Or it could just morph into a more benign form and be a minor problem.
I think people are seeing that the roller coaster pattern is just what happens with this virus for some reason. Some of that is likely due to human measures but there may be other factors involved.
The issue of acquired vs vaccine immunity is still unsettled as there are conflicting reports.
Lol, yeah, there's about as many "conflicting reports" as there are about vaccines causing autism. 1 for vs. 1,000,000 against.
"A congressional report released this month by House Democrats" is as far as it it necessary to read.
The reports released by Field Democrats have more veracity.
Woodland Democrats on the other hand are more cautious and skittish around humans.
Lol
Maybe the implementation was flawed, but as a retail worker I have seen the abuse of SNAP/Food Stamps.
Like what?
Not disagreeing with you. I’m just curious what you’ve seen.
Usually it takes the form of food stamp recipients using their benefit card to purchase food and then sell it for cash, or giving their card to someone else to use in exchange for cash. Wait until a Republican is back in office and I'm sure you'll find it an absolute outrage.
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That damn Trump! He wasted millions, maybe billions of dollars. Good thing we have Biden and the Democrats in charge of spending now.
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I run a food pantry in a small, relatively poor town. I can't tell you how many of these boxes we were given, unopened, by the people to whom they were given. They were being handed out, no questions asked, by a bunch of uncoordinated agencies, often on consecutive days.
SNAP has its faults, but the Trump Boxes were straight-up waste and graft. We may never get rid of all the hot dogs we got.
I also interacted with this program in a small relatively poor town. What was in the boxes was locally grown real food. Good stuff, depending on how you think. Not a lot of Oreos, not in the boxes I witnessed.
Among the things that has to be acknowledged, the American "poor" have rather a lot of choices when it comes to getting dinner. Much of this is driven by addiction, broken families, etc., and the classic urchin in the street begging with a cup is not real in America.
These people just aren't that hungry, they use government aid to eliminate the shopping portion of the budget to spend money on.... So when you get a box of predetermined food that ain't the good stuff...Nah.
Trump had the right idea, but the American poor generally aren't poor. Those who actually are were well served by these boxes.
The article was merely Trump bashing. As a libertarian I find it hard to support any federal welfare program. Among the problems the bleeding hearts continually fail to acknowledge is how devastatingly damaging to the culture and to the individual it is to support people, instead of "forcing" them to support themselves.
The food box is an admirable effort to navigate the in between, because amongst the addicts and the broken homes, there are people who need the help of others, permanently and temporarily. I don't want the "poor" relieved of their grocery budget, so they can spend remaining money on drugs, or new wheels, or the latest video game.
The characterizations of the program by the article seemed rather fake newsish, all this welfare crap costs too much money,
Basics only, that's all government welfare should be.
I noticed that you refuted exactly NOTHING from the linked article!
People who are afraid of a needle-stick ARE cowards! Those who won't do their part to check the spread of disease ARE selfish! Period!