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Government Spending

Biden's New Spending Framework Promises To Do Everything but Still Cost Nothing. That Doesn't Make Sense.

Plus: Facebook rebrands, McDonald's hikes menu prices, and more...

Eric Boehm | 10.29.2021 9:30 AM

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President Joe Biden's attempt to reset the messy negotiations over his "Build Back Better" plan seems to have failed, at least for now.

Biden on Thursday outlined plans for a new spending framework that would cost about $1.85 trillion over 10 years—a slimmed-down version of the $3.5 trillion plan he's been pushing for months. The package would include about $555 billion for combatting climate change, $400 billion for child care, and a host of other progressive policy prescriptions. The framework was intended to break a progressive-vs.-moderate logjam within the Democratic Caucus in Congress, but so far does not seem to have found anything close to universal support. On Thursday night, the House bailed on plans to pass Biden's infrastructure bill, choosing instead to continue holding that proposal hostage as negotiations over the social spending bill continue.

I've lost count of how many interactions with reporters that Sen. Manchin has had today. His unwillingness to just come out and say he supports a WH framework - that was negotiated more directly with him than probably any other lawmaker - seems notable.

— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) October 28, 2021

The Wall Street Journal sums up the state of play:

Wrangling all party factions behind a particular set of ideas has proved challenging, especially as congressional leaders and the administration have jettisoned some of progressives' favored proposals in the face of objections from moderates….

But progressives, who for months have blocked the infrastructure bill as leverage to keep the social-policy bill on track, made clear they weren't yet ready to drop their opposition. Their demand forced Democrats to delay a vote on the public-works bill for the second time in two months, though progressives said they hoped to move the bills in the House next week

Beyond the usual legislative intrigue, Biden's new framework is notable in a few other ways. For one, it seems to be littered with budget gimmicks. The framework contains a one-year extension of the expanded child tax credit at a cost of $110 billion. But it's an open secret that the tax credit will be maintained permanently. That disingenuous accounting is a neat way to make the overall cost of the package look smaller, but it's a bad way to govern.

On the revenue side of the ledger, the new framework also seems to overestimate things:

(2/2) Notable differences in revenue estimates include the 15% minimum tax on book income and increased IRS funding by $80B over the next 10 years. The White House estimated $325B and $400B, respectively, while $PWBM only estimates $195B and 190B in revenues, respectively. pic.twitter.com/8eXL3jHJe9

— Penn Wharton Budget Model (@BudgetModel) October 28, 2021

All in all, the "new" framework suffers from many of the same problems that have plagued Biden's "Build Back Better" plan since the president first trotted it out in March. It's a Schrödinger's cat of a proposal—one that promises "transformative investments" in everything from child care to green energy, but one that costs nothing at the same time. It can't be both, of course, no matter how many gimmicks you might deploy.

The very existence of this new, slimmed-down spending plan should raise some questions. For months, Biden and his allies have been framing the $3.5 trillion spending bill as essential to combatting climate change, countering China, creating jobs, reducing income inequality, and a host of other vaguely defined goals. Some Democrats said even $3.5 trillion wasn't enough to achieve those things.

Now, after cutting the bill in half, Biden says his new framework will "create millions of jobs, grow the economy, invest in our nation and our people, turn the climate crisis into an opportunity, and put us on a path not only to compete but to win the economic competition for the 21st century against China and every other major country in the world."

So what about the other $1.7 trillion that got cut? Was that really essential or could we have accomplished the same things all along with a smaller bill? Something doesn't quite add up.


FREE MINDS

So Meta.

Facebook has rebranded its corporate operations under the name Meta, signaling a shift away from social media and toward what CEO Mark Zuckerberg sees as the future of online interactions: the metaverse.

But what is a metaverse? The name is a deliberate nod to Neal Stephenson's 1992 cyberpunk novel Snow Crash (if you haven't read it, you absolutely should start this weekend). Meta describes it as "a set of virtual spaces where you can create and explore with other people who aren't in the same physical space as you." In short, it's a concept of the internet that comes closer to simulating the real world. You'll still be able to talk to someone from across the planet, but it will seem like you're doing it face to face, with the help of virtual reality tech. Think Fortnite, but for everything.

Here's some of @Facebook's vision for the future #FacebookConnect pic.twitter.com/199VBdFTqE

— Anshel Sag (@anshelsag) October 28, 2021

It's a cool concept, but one that remains very much unproven—both in terms of how well it would work, but perhaps more importantly in how much people would actually want to make social media even more real-seeming.


FREE MARKETS

McDonald's will raise menu prices to offset rising supply costs and more expensive labor, The Wall Street Journal reports:

The Big Mac maker is also paying more for paper, food and other supplies, executives said. McDonald's expects its commodity costs for the year to rise by 3.5% to 4%, up from the 2% they grew earlier in 2021, executives said.

Those higher costs are making their way to consumers, as McDonald's executives said they expect U.S. prices to be up about 6% this year compared with last year.


QUICK HITS

• Even though COVID-19 vaccines will soon be available for kids ages 5–11, most parents aren't in a rush to get them jabbed:

Only 27% of parents with kids ages 5-11 say they will get their child vaccinated right away, a decrease from 34% in September — according to the latest @KFF Vaccine Monitor. 30% say they will definitely not get their child vaccinated. We have work to do. https://t.co/xNIdXVUGKt pic.twitter.com/D7cBrm5krd

— Benjy Renton (@bhrenton) October 28, 2021

• For the first time in public, a firsthand account of torture at a CIA-run "black site" prison: "The more I cooperated, the more I was tortured."

• A used Honda Civic that was valued at $21,000 when it was brand new in 2016 just resold for $27,000 because the used car market is insane right now.

• Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo was criminally charged for groping a female aide's breast.

• California condors are having "virgin births" and scientists aren't sure why.

• Happy Halloween!

Blood-sucking eel with rows of swirling teeth spotted after 20-year hunt https://t.co/xkW8pnkPjT pic.twitter.com/Kl3eqZIp6A

— New York Post (@nypost) October 28, 2021

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    President Joe Biden's attempt to reset the messy negotiations over his "Build Back Better" plan seems to have failed, at least for now.

    Having trouble building back his own plans better.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      SleepyJoe is a failure

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        1. CE   4 years ago

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      2. Moonrocks   4 years ago

        LGB

      3. gregson   4 years ago

        Of course it doesn't make sense to Mr. Boehm, as a Trumper his IQ doesn't break 40 to begin with.

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      Creepy Joe has trouble climbing stairs and not shitting his depends before his morning nap.

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    3. nobody 2   4 years ago

      Clearly a reset wasn't enough--he needs a Great Reset.

      1. Overt   4 years ago

        Maybe a Great Leap Forward Further?

    4. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      Biden is budgeting reluctantly but strategically.

      1. CE   4 years ago

        Well Dems are saying we shouldn't spend so much:

        https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22725031/buying-less-supply-chain-holiday-shopping

    5. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

      I say it's a dead cat. And you don't have to open the box to know that.

  2. eyeroller   4 years ago

    On the revenue side of the ledger, the new framework also seems to overestimate things

    It jacks up capital gains rates to pretty scary levels. In some states rich people could be paying > 40%.

    There's no way that's gonna pass, right? Right?

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      It could, but suddenly nobody will have capital gains.

    2. JohannesDinkle   4 years ago

      When the 16th Amendment was ratified, supporters told people that only the top 2% of earners would pay a top rate of 5%. Your own experience is probably that that is no longer true.
      If there is a tax on unrealized capital gains eventually your 401K will be taxed.

      1. Zeb   4 years ago

        I think that some wanted to put a limit of 7 or 10% in the 16th amendment. But others thought that was a bad idea because it would likely quickly go to the maximum rate in practice. Woops.

      2. jimc5499   4 years ago

        When Brando was Vice President, he was in favor of confiscating all 401K's and giving you Government IOU's. How easily people forget.

        1. CE   4 years ago

          No one needs over 3 million dollars in their 401k.
          Until Biden's inflation kicks in.

          1. gregson   4 years ago

            When is that? When this Donny Dementia-caused inflation ends?

      3. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

        Simple items in ones home could be taxed. I used this example the other day at work. If inflation is out of control or supply is choked off, all things will appreciate in value. A 1$ wine glass now is worth 5$, where are the realized gains on that. When there is any vagueness in law it, always becomes oppressive. At some point you may have to sell everything you own just to pay the taxes on the items you own. And if you think this is going over board, Just remember these words." By 2030 no one will own anything and they will be happy". I often read that as better be happy.

        1. CE   4 years ago

          What do you think the smart refrigerators are for?

      4. You're Kidding   4 years ago

        Actually, my 401K IS TAXED. Just made a withdrawal yesterday to cover some expenses.

        I'm firmly in the 22% federal and 8% brackets YTD.

        Had FIT and SIT withheld so as to not have underpayment penalties when I file my 2021 returns.

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      Sinema says she won't approve further tax hikes...so yeah, it'll pass regardless.

  3. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    HOW DEEPLY HAVE THE CHINESE COMMUNISTS PENETRATED OUR INSTITUTIONS?
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/how-deeply-have-the-chinese-communists-penetrated-our-institutions.php

    With China now, by some measures, the world’s largest book market, Western publishers and booksellers are facing growing incentives to suppress critical narratives and instead feature titles that bootlick Beijing.
    ***
    China’s influence on Western higher education has implications for scientific research, technology, and understanding of China. China scholars in the West face knotty dilemmas over whether to withhold criticism or risk forfeiting visa access necessary to carry out their work. U.S. scholars have endured state-supported harassment for advocating the rights of Chinese minorities. Chinese government-funded Confucius Institutes on Western campuses have been widely accused of stifling open inquiry on China-related subjects.

    A third of all foreign students studying in the United States before the COVID-19 pandemic were Chinese, filling university tuition coffers.

    1. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/13/is_china_buying_blackrock_143185.html#new_tab

      In their book “Red Capitalism,” about China’s banking system, authors Carl Walter and Fraser Howie write of the role of Wall Street and the privatization of China’s state-owned enterprises (SOEs) in selling billions of dollars of shares in initial public offerings that “went off like strings of fire crackers in the global capital markets. All of these companies were imagined up, created, and listed by American investment bankers.” The creation of the new SOEs out of the dross of the old SOEs is the work of Wall Street bankers who provided the “lipstick, the mascara, the pedicure, the hair weave” so that they closely resemble Western corporations and can be sold at high prices, handsomely profiting the party and its friends and, of course, Wall Street banks. As the Indian stockbroker Shankar Sharma has noted, in just one Chinese bank IPO, the government paid Wall Street $200 million. “Research reports by Wall Street banks have always been up for sale to the highest bidder, and nobody knows this better than the Chinese.”

      There has to be someone on the buy side to pay for all this Wall Street-minted SOE paper. Nearly 40% of the BlackRock-managed iShares Emerging Markets ETF is represented by this Chinese paper. How much of it is pure dross is hard to say, as U.S. regulators in the form of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, established by the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, are prevented from overseeing audits of these companies. That has rung alarm bells with the SEC, which has oversight responsibility for the board. On May 4, SEC Chairman Jay Clayton warned about the consequences of the inability of U.S. regulators to inspect for compliance and enforce U.S. securities rules and regulations. Such investing entails “significant disclosure, financial reporting and other risks,” Clayton said — risks that Main Street investors should better understand.

      1. Mike Liarson   4 years ago

        Wait, if China controls all publishing, how did Walter and Howie publish their anti-China book?

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          How the fuck did you invent that strawman?

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            Sorry Liarson, but you still can't out-parody the real thing.

          2. Chumby   4 years ago

            Sockpuppet trolling. I have the real Mike muted. Last name is “Liar son”

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              Got me again. Dead on accurate.

              1. Chumby   4 years ago

                There is that. Tony could change his handle to OBL and we wouldn’t know the difference.

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Democrats and major corporations openly invest and collude woth China. Starting at the president and his son. But a lot of dem senators and reps also have investments in these firms.

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        It is vital that all of these people be forced to ask about China's treatment of their citizens. Sure, Democrats will say "Well, Americans are not better", but I doubt corporations can do that and not lose, well, massive market share.

    3. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      How deeply? The President and most of Congress should be registered as Chinese foreign agents. And that's no joke.

    4. Utkonos   4 years ago

      Let’s go Jung Chang!

  4. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

    Blood-sucking eel with rows of swirling teeth spotted after 20-year hunt
    Found in DC

    1. JohannesDinkle   4 years ago

      It's a lamprey; the Yurok catch them every year at the mouth of the Klamath. They taste pretty good.

      1. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

        Yep, lamprey. I've caught sturgeon with lamprey scars.

        1. CE   4 years ago

          How do you put those on the hook?
          I use a balled up piece of bread and spray it with WD40 to catch sturgeon.

          1. You're Kidding   4 years ago

            One catches sturgeon with grass shrimp. I don't know where the hell you come up with bread/wd40.

  5. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Watch: Florida school board has parent removed for simply quoting the graphic sex material they are teaching kids
    https://notthebee.com/article/watch-florida-school-board-has-parent-removed-from-meeting-for-simply-reading-from-the-graphic-sex-material-they-are-teaching-kids

    1. R Mac   4 years ago

      Lying Jeffy approves.

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Down below he is combining about looking into which books tax payer money is spent on. Apparently schools around be able to hide everything and control all spending choices without oversight.

  6. Selfish I Am   4 years ago

    Parents! Get your kids vaccinated. This is our future. We want to enjoy our freedoms but can't with your snotty nose kids running around with a killer disease.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Replace “kids” with “Jews”.
      Now how does it sound to you?

      1. Eeyore   4 years ago

        Less offensive everyday. I prefer the more generic term "unclean".

      2. Utkonos   4 years ago

        Cue Rob Misek

    2. Overt   4 years ago

      "We want to enjoy our freedoms but can't with your snotty nose kids running around with a killer disease."

      At least people like you will come out and explain your true motives: You want kids stabbing needles in their arms to protect yourself from nature. I would like you to be over at my house next week to install some insulation in my attic. The summer was quite warm, and I need you totalitarians to stop running around infringing my liberties and instead protecting me from nature.

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        Think this is parody.

        And pretty on the nose, to boot.

        It is a fucked up society that asks the young to sacrifice for the elderly.

        1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

          Look at the handle. It's a parody.

    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Parody.

    4. Sevo   4 years ago

      Sarc or stupidity?

    5. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

      Funny how I personally now know 6 vaxxed people who have caught the rona. One case lasted over three weeks and he still can't smell. It is fun watching him rant about how useless his jab is.

      1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        How many of those six people ended up in the hospital, or died?

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          How many unvaccinated end up in the hospital or died that you know? I'm at zero. For both groups.

          1. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

            To be honest, I know one unvaxxed death. He was 75, fat, diabetic, and smoked 2 packs a day. Classic Covid victim. Had a heart attack while hospitalized and on O2.

          2. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

            I know of lot more but then I work in a hospital.

            Being vaccinated is increasingly beneficial the older you are. If you are young and healthy your risk is naturally lower.

            Either way run you risk benefit analysis and decide for yourself.

            But don't kid yourself, it can kill you. And yes I know of vaccinated persons having died from it. I believe this is an engineered/ modified virus that is going to stick around, by design.

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              Water, aspirin, Tylenol, can kill you. Life isn't risk free. Yet with covid we apparently have to give up freedoms until risk is zero.

              1. Chumby   4 years ago

                Someone once made a trollish MSDS for HO2 that was hilarious.

            2. damikesc   4 years ago

              At this point, I have little doubt that multiple governments funded this. The "leadership" has taken powers that dictators could only dream to have taken with this.

            3. You're Kidding   4 years ago

              Please don't throw reason around on a Reason forum!

          3. MasterThief   4 years ago

            2. One is kinda by proxy because I met him once briefly (cousin's husband's father.) Both were over 60, overweight, and had heart troubles as well as diabetes.
            So I truly know 1 with several risk factors who died from/with covid.

        2. damikesc   4 years ago

          Given that the death rate for unvaccinated and under 70 is hovering at about .0001%, I'll imagine zero.

          The same number you know.

        3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          I think Laursen is still operating under his assumption that Covid has a 50% death toll.

          1. CE   4 years ago

            The lockdowns are pretty deadly on their own:

            https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/26/1046432435/ers-are-now-swamped-with-seriously-ill-patients-but-most-dont-even-have-covid?utm_source=pocket-newtab

            1. CE   4 years ago

              ...patients are showing up to the ER sicker than they were before the pandemic, their diseases more advanced and in need of more complicated care.

              Months of treatment delays have exacerbated chronic conditions and worsened symptoms.

              1. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

                Also indications that these MRNA vaccines, like the SARS series, have a tendency to activate latent illness... Israel is noticing a flare up of herpes, and I would not at all be surprised if we also had vaccine trial issues popping up.

                https://academic.oup.com/rheumatology/article/60/SI/SI90/6225015

        4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

          Here is White Mike gasping at straws while the vaccinated dead pile up.

          1. SaveAllRednecks   4 years ago

            Haha! Do you miss your pig f friend Brian?

            Hopefully his cunt wife and kids are next!

            1. Chumby   4 years ago

              You are a disgusting human being.

              1. SaveAllRednecks   4 years ago

                You have me confused with the dead pig

                1. Chumby   4 years ago

                  No. I haven’t.

                2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                  Same same, IMO.

      2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

        Here is what I posted yesterday:

        I found out a friend died of COVID pneumonia on Tuesday. He was in great physical shape, a police officer in Beaverton, OR, and he was vaccinated.

        His death is of course anecdotal, but there is a great big lie about the efficacy of these vaccines that will come to light in the years ahead. This pandemic and its 'final solution' have been a ruse to undermine liberties we will never get back.

        Trump is a dumbass. He proved to be incompetent at rooting out corruption in the federal government his first 3 years and then stood by dumbfounded as the CDC lied and justified lockdowns and mandates. His messaging was terrible and his verbal diarrhea was capitalized upon by media sycophants sworn to the Democrat party. He clearly had no control over the DoJ. Cuomo should have been behind bars instead of publishing books about his leadership.

        And yet, the Democrats in control now are so much worse. They facilitate every lie and obfuscate every truth about COVID.

        We seem to know less today the we did 18 months ago about COVID. Where are the therapeutic treatments? The Spanish flu pandemic was 3 times as deadly as COVID, but very few people die of it now, not because of a vaccine, but because the symptoms are easily mitigated. They cut every corner for these shitty vaccines that will now be forced on kids, but healthy vaccinated people are dying from pneumonia.

        Anyone who believes the federal government is doing anything for the 'public good' is a fucking idiot. It is a kaiju that consumes money and blood and shits out Chinese cargo containers.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          We seem to know less today the we did 18 months ago about COVID. Where are the therapeutic treatments? The Spanish flu pandemic was 3 times as deadly as COVID, but very few people die of it now, not because of a vaccine, but because the symptoms are easily mitigated. They cut every corner for these shitty vaccines that will now be forced on kids, but healthy vaccinated people are dying from pneumonia.

          Note a couple things regarding the 5-12 cohort being declared eligible for the Magic Coof Juice:

          1) The pharma companies just started testing this age group in March of this year. That's not a typo--they started these tests just seven months ago.

          Why is that significant? Because as the data now shows, the Juice is effectively useless after 6-8 months. Instead of testing out to a year to really gauge its effectiveness in small children, the FDA deliberately and maliciously ended the trials because they know what the data would have said in March 2021, and it wouldn't be the result they wanted.

          2) When the FDA panel made the recommendation, they flat-out admitted they had no idea what the long-term effects of these kids taking this stuff is going to be. It was, almost literally, "we have to take the vax to find out what's in it."

          No way in hell am I letting my kids get this shit when we already know they'll just have to get another one in six months, and we don't know the long-term effects. We'll homeschool them before that ever happens.

          In 20 years, this shit is going to be looked on for the mass hysteria that it was, and I guarantee every Branch Covidian is going to claim that they never went along with it.

          1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

            As I commented above, the younger you are and lower the risk from COVID; people who are older and those who have comorbid conditions are of course much greater risk of severe illness, and do die from it.

            There is a shit load we do not know about COVID, and much of what has been done is of a "shot in the dark" qualify. But I am quite sure this is not a "natural" virus and it is going to do whatever the hell it is going to do regardless of our efforts.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

              people who are older and those who have comorbid conditions are of course much greater risk of severe illness, and do die from it.

              And even then, the CFR is something like 10% of those over 80. It's not really a stretch to understand that a disease of the blood vessels that causes blood clots and tissue inflammation to the point that your body's ability to process oxygen is nerfed would end up killing a lot of older people, but 9 times out of 10, they still recover from it.

          2. Overt   4 years ago

            The lone dissenter on the FDA board said he absolutely trusts the vaccine, but that it has never been the FDA's prerogative to authorize vaccinations for disease that poses no risk. He specifically said he would happily authorize it for kids with risk conditions (heart disease, etc), but that it just didn't make sense to authorize it for the general public.

            I'm torn on this, because I would love it if the FDA just authorized drugs all the time. The problem is that the authorization is the only thing standing in the way of my state cramming it down our throats in a mandate.

        2. SaveAllRednecks   4 years ago

          You’re pig friend got what he deserved.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

            He got what he got. He did not die alone or afraid and that is the best anyone can ask for.

    6. Zeb   4 years ago

      The vaccine doesn't work that way. Where have you been the past several months. It's not going to stop anything. The only way we get to enjoy our freedoms is deciding to accept some risk and get on with it.

      1. Overt   4 years ago

        Why have freedom when we can make our political opponents bow down before us. Even better, make them watch as we force their kids to bow down before them.

        1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

          Freedom is not taken away, it is given up. I refuse to give it up and if necessary I will happily die free. I don't mask and I will tell someone to "fuck off" to their face if they want to give me any shit about it.

          1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

            And yes I have the freedom to walk out in the open regardless of someone else's fear. Your fears are not protected by the constitution, if you are afraid then go hide under a rock. The rest of us don't have to, because your fears are your problems. If you make them other peoples problems, they just might solve them for you.

    7. CE   4 years ago

      The tweeter is right that "we have work to do", trying to discourage the 27% who think a 5 year old needs a COVID shot.

  7. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=49558

    Tying into my post on homelessness being a profit center for the Democratic Party, here’s a Louis Rossmann video that discusses a homeless shelter in New York City that:

    Bills the government $3,500 to $4,000 a month to
    House the homeless in a literal shithole (with visible feces in one picture of the place), and
    By an amazing coincidence, is run by a non-profit founded by Andrew Cuomo and now run by his sister Maria Cuomo Cole.

    “The top executives of Help USA earn $200,000 to $375,000 a year, and many of them have contributed heavily to NY Gov. Cuomo’s campaigns.”

    “Board members associated with various homeless shelters have gifted the governor $322,972.50, while donors associated with Help USA, a shelter service provider founded by the governor and chaired by his sister, Maria Cuomo Cole, have ponied up $451,285 in donations.”

    1. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

      The WH’s Life of Linda offers a peek at the sweet life under #BuildBackBetter, where government is the only daddy you’ll ever need [pics]
      https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2021/10/28/the-whs-life-of-linda-offers-a-peek-at-the-sweet-life-under-buildbackbetter-where-government-is-the-only-daddy-youll-ever-need-pics/

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

        I'm pretty excited about my monthly ration of Victory Gin!

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          I hope Pornosec comes preloaded on my telescreen.

          *Big Brother is watching you masturbate*

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Again. Seattle spends 50k per homeless person. That money essentially just funds liberal organizations and not the homeless in any manner.

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        We can thank Obama for that.

      2. Chumby   4 years ago

        Without that funding, liberal arts students with degrees in gender studies would be homeless.

        1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

          Especially after their parents kick them out of the basement.

          1. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

            Basement will flood from global warming soon. They're on a time crunch.

      3. CE   4 years ago

        For that amount you could buy them each an SUV.

    3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      The Democrat party, "non-profit" progressive groups, and the corporate media, are collectively just a massive money-laundering apparatus.

  8. Longtobefree   4 years ago

    The framework, like the press release legislation, is pure fiction.
    Write it down, and pass it as legislation.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    You'll still be able to talk to someone from across the planet, but it will seem like you're doing it face to face, with the help of virtual reality tech.

    Great, my virtual boss all in my face about coming out of lightspeed too early.

    1. Overt   4 years ago

      The other day, I was remarking on how much upward mobility the Empire must have had. So many opportunities to assume command, it seems.

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Imagine the half million dollar virtual mansions sarc could enjoy with the lurkers that approve of his trolling.

    3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      Screw meta! Im going back to second life!

  10. Chumby   4 years ago

    Psaki psays the pspending pspree will be free.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Psay it, don’t pspray it.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        If you pspray that use pspermicide or you’ll be psorry.

        1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

          Ppppp. Excuse me.

    2. Rich   4 years ago

      Pshaw.

  11. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "...put us on a path not only to compete but to win the economic competition for the 21st century against China and every other major country in the world"

    Ugh. A rare verbal misstep from the usually eloquent Joe Biden.

    If you're going to single out a country, it shouldn't be China. It should be Russia.

    #LibertariansForGettingToughWithRussia
    #LibertariansAgainstSinophobia

  12. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Family Members Separated at Border May Each Get Up to $450,000
    After the Trump administration separated migrant parents from children at the southern border, President Biden pledged to make it up to the families.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/us/politics/trump-family-separation-border.html

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      As a Koch / Reason left-libertarian, this is one form of government spending I absolutely support. I wouldn't complain if it was $4.5 million each.

      #ImmigrationAboveAll

      1. R Mac   4 years ago

        Except if these immigrants get this money they won’t want to work for Koch for low wages.

        1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   4 years ago

          I think you just identified OBL's First Paradox.

        2. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

          The progressive dilemma

          1. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

            Windfall tax covers that. Then a tax on a large tax transaction to cover processing.

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      The fact that this is even thought about is alarming. But this is a practice fully embraced under Obama where they would work with administration friendly groups, the ACLU in this case, to have the group sue and then settle in lieu of crafting legislation.

      How they can even imagine 500k of harm for being separated after committing a crime is astounding. But I'm sure the usual pure libertarians that totally are not dem shills will be here to both sides this.

    3. Cyto   4 years ago

      Everyone needs to read this article.

      They want to pay illegal immigrants $450,000 each because they were detained.

      All because they think they can score political points by linking it to the Trump administration. This, even though this is a policy that was an Obama administration decision and was created by a court decision that ordered that children could not be detained with adults.

      So we are going to pay each illegal alien $450k as some sort of settlement for having legally detained them for illegally entering the country.

      You cannot even parody these people.

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        You keep ignoring the positive.

        NO MORE MEAN TWEETS.

        No price is too high to avoid those.

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

      I was separated from my parents for a harrowing few hours for a weed charge back in the day. How much do I get?

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        Hell, citizens did not get $450,000 each when the government shut down their lives for a fucking year and a half...so far.

    5. Griffin3   4 years ago

      I can definitely see this happening, but quietly. I'm surprised NYT even wrote about it ... if this gets out to the huddled masses who have not committed a crime, can you imagine the backlash?
      Hell, I'm pissed, and I haven't even had my coffee yet. If I told my wife, she'd be pissed all weekend.

      1. Griffin3   4 years ago

        Here is a NY Post link that gives mostly the same story, with annoying pictures and autoplay video, but no paywall.
        The usual suspects (NYT, WashPost, NBCnews) are framing it as "Trump was evil, but Biden is making it up to these poor people." I cannot believe these people are living in such an isolated bubble, that this is what they think, and not "We are giving $450K to illegal border crossers, while you chumps work all year for $[20-200]K and give a third of it to the gov't."

        1. You're Kidding   4 years ago

          Well, payouts like this require FIT withholding.

          Don't they? 🙁

  13. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    McDonald's will raise menu prices to offset rising supply costs and more expensive labor...

    Having trouble replacing both cash register jockeys and touchscreen menu parts.

    1. Chumby   4 years ago

      McFlation

  14. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Only 27% of parents with kids ages 5-11 say they will get their child vaccinated right away...

    I blame skeptics' continued legal ability to speak.

    1. Eeyore   4 years ago

      I can't even comprehend how uninformed the public is.

    2. Eeyore   4 years ago

      You know what does everything and costs the government nothing? Leaving people the fk alone to do things for themselves.

  15. Overt   4 years ago

    "Think Fortnite, but for everything."

    Oh...hell no. You do not get to sum up 30 fucking years of Cyberpunk with flossing 11 year olds.

  16. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    A consensus is emerging among our progressive allies that alt-right white nationalist Tucker Carlson should be censored by the government.

    The freedom of speech is not absolute. it can be restricted where it incites imminent lawless action. Tucker Carlson and Fox News are creating propaganda to incite a Civil War. At some point we must use the legal tools available to us before it is too late.

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      American hero Alexander Vindman seems to agree:

      He is an anarchist; an arsonist of American democracy. How is this different than yelling fire in a crowded theater? Carlson is attempting to incite a riotous mob. He should be censured. I’d like to hear the arguments for/against this being protected speech.

      #LibertariansForSpeechRestrictions

      1. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Yeah. But the gop keeps asking companies to not censor people so both sides are equal.

        1. Cyto   4 years ago

          Yeah... Both sides are equal... But we need to really focus on the Republicans. You know... Because Trump.

          1. Mike Liarson   4 years ago

            So like Ken, you’re just here to completely support the authoritarian Republicans?

            1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

              LIARson.

              Makes sense.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        He'd like to hear them, but it's a guarantee he'll never listen.

      3. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

        I am sure Vindman would love to see Schenck v. United States return to its rightful place as one of the greatest decisions ever. NSC slime loves a good war and even better when the fodder can't complain.

      4. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        I can hardly wait to read Shrike and Jeff's stirring defense of Vindman's proposal.

  17. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Previous 'experts' (Bruno Bettelheim) treating autism.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/i-have-been-through-this-before-bauer
    Don’t wear a mask; you must wear a mask. Buy a pulse oximeter. Stock up on Tylenol, vitamin D, Pepcid. Whisper so you don’t spit. Stand six feet from others—no, 10. Wear gloves. Wear two masks! Open the windows. Close the schools. The dizzying madness of COVID, and the reliance on gurulike experts, has been eerily familiar.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      "Expertise" didn't die, it committed suicide.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo was criminally charged for groping a female aide's breast.

    Emmy-quality behavior.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Jokes on him. It wasn’t a female.

      1. Griffin3   4 years ago

        Don't talk about Chuck Schumer like that!

  19. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    BBC: Some lesbians say they feel pressured to sleep with trans women or risk being labeled a TERF
    https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/10/27/bbc-some-lesbians-say-they-feel-pressured-to-sleep-with-trans-women-or-risk-being-labeled-a-terf-n425217

    Another reported a trans woman physically forcing her to have sex after they went on a date.

    “[They] threatened to out me as a terf and risk my job if I refused to sleep with [them],” she wrote. “I was too young to argue and had been brainwashed by queer theory so [they were] a ‘woman’ even if every fibre of my being was screaming throughout so I agreed to go home with [them]. [They] used physical force when I changed my mind upon seeing [their] penis and raped me.”

    1. Overt   4 years ago

      This is too common now to be isolated instances. There is a very real group of biological males who figured out that by adopting the Trans mantle, they can get away with the most misogynistic, toxic behavior ever and get a free pass. I don't think this is a "Trans" issue. It is a male issue. For millennia, certain men have figured out how to exploit power structures for this type of sexual bullying. Epstein, Nasser, Boy Scouts, Catholic Church- anywhere they can slip in and get a pass from society, they do it.

      The Trans community needs to get in front of this issue, but it is probably too late. I was seeing this behavior in the literary scene back when trans activists were getting ahold of it- (you can read tell alls out there from women who talk about getting sucked into these toxic harem-like literary groups led by these trans women). The initial self-declared leader of the CHAZ autonomous zone in Oregon turned out to be one of these woman-beating, exploitative assholes as well.

      1. Cronut   4 years ago

        I wouldn't call it a male issue alone. It's a predator issue. There are predatory women who will find power structures in order to engage in sexual bullying- think teachers having sex with students. Different tactics, but it's still sexual predation.

        It's also both a predator issue AND a trans issue. The trans community DOES need to get in front of this, but they're so deeply invested in the narrative that any rejection of a trans person's gender identity is considered transphobia. There are plenty of very vocal trans people on social media who do claim that not wanting to have sex with a trans person IS transphobic, and that trans people are entitled to sex somehow. And within the LGBT community, it seems to be unique to trans people. I don't ever recall gay me or lesbians claiming that heterosexual people who didn't want to have sex with gay people were homophobic, and gays were entitled to sex with anyone they wanted.

        1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

          "I don't ever recall gay me or lesbians claiming that heterosexual people who didn't want to have sex with gay people were homophobic, and gays were entitled to sex with anyone they wanted."

          That's because straights aren't drunk on the Kool-Aid. That's how the trans bullies get away with doing this to the gay community.

          1. damikesc   4 years ago

            If the gay community won't stop it, I do not have much interest in doing it for them. They have utterly sold out, in every way, to the trans whining bitches.

      2. Salted Nuts   4 years ago

        It's a crazy fuckers issue.

    2. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      This is the stupidest time to be alive

    3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      So she is a trasphobe

  20. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    California condors are having "virgin births" and scientists aren't sure why.

    Toilet seats.

    1. Lord of Strazele   4 years ago

      It's obviously a miracle.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Life..uh...finds a way.

    3. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Why don't we have taxpayer funded condor abortions???

    4. R Mac   4 years ago

      How closely related are condors to storks?

  21. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Blood-sucking eel with rows of swirling teeth spotted after 20-year hunt...

    WHY DOES IT NEED TEETH TO SUCK?

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

      It's gotta latch on. Ouch!

  22. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    People Aren’t Meant to Talk This Much
    Breaking up social-media companies is one way to fix them. Shutting their users up is a better one.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2021/10/fix-facebook-making-it-more-like-google/620456/

    Online media gives the everyperson access to channels of communication previously reserved for Big Business. Starting with the world wide web in the 1990s and continuing into user-generated content of the aughts and social media of the 2010s, control over public discourse has moved from media organizations, governments, and corporations to average citizens. Finally, people could publish writing, images, videos, and other material without first getting the endorsement of publishers or broadcasters. Ideas spread freely beyond borders.

    And we also received a toxic dump of garbage. The ease with which connections can be made—along with the way that, on social media, close friends look the same as acquaintances or even strangers—means any post can successfully appeal to people’s worst fears, transforming ordinary folks into radicals. That’s what YouTube did to the Christchurch shooter, what conspiracy theorists preceding QAnon did to the Pizzagaters, what Trumpists did to the Capitol rioters. And, closer to the ground, it’s how random Facebook messages scam your mother, how ill-thought tweets ruin lives, how social media has made life in general brittle and unforgiving.

    It’s long past time to question a fundamental premise of online life: What if people shouldn’t be able to say so much, and to so many, so often?

    ...Imagine if access and reach were limited too: mechanically rather than juridically, by default? What if, for example, you could post to Facebook only once a day, or week, or month? Or only to a certain number of people? Or what if, after an hour or a day, the post expired, Snapchat style? Or, after a certain number of views, or when it reached a certain geographic distance from its origins, it self-destructed? That wouldn’t stop bad actors from being bad, but it would reduce their ability to exude that badness into the public sphere.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      If we only had the right people talking……

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

      Oh wow! You found a brain-dead liberal who wants to censor people! How original!

      Meanwhile, we've got right-wingers who post here daily who believe that property rights don't matter when it comes to tech companies, women don't really own their own bodies if they are pregnant, raising taxes on Americans is a-ok as long as those taxes are called 'tariffs', banning books and ideas in schools is totally fine and totally not 'indoctrination', and who think the biggest threat to the country, requiring enormous public expenditures to prevent, is penniless Guatemalans crossing the border without the correct permission slips. Oh and let's not even get into the ones who actually DO advocate for literal civil war (e.g. Nardz).

      So congratulations on finding asshole and deluded left-wingers who advocate awful things. They fit nicely in contradistinction to the asshole and deluded right-wingers who advocate awful things.

      1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

        "women don't really own their own bodies if they are pregnant"

        Careful with the cisnormative language, jeff. In the future replace "women" with "birthing people" or "uterus havers."

        #IntersectionalFeminism

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

          Breeders, OBL

      2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        BoAf SiDeS

      3. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Hey. Jeff continues to be full of shit. News at 11.

      4. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

        women don't really own their own bodies if they are pregnant

        Unless it is the vax, then they totally don't own their own bodies. Right Jeff?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

          You must have me confused with someone who supports a government vaccine mandate.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            I mean it isnt like you supported biden and companies requiring vaccinations to be employed. That would be crazy to think you supported mandates.

          2. Overt   4 years ago

            Yeah, you are a person who totally "doesn't support" mandates, but will:

            1) Spend hours arguing how silly it is to criticize them.
            2) Spend hours posting how stupid, wrong and shameful people are for not getting vaccines voluntarily.
            3) Spend DAYS posting criticisms of politicians who prohibit mandates.

            But you "don't support" mandates. You just endlessly support the narratives and the people who institute them, while criticizing anyone opposed to them.

            How the heck could anyone confuse you for a mandate supporter, I wonder. Truly a mystery.

            1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

              It is possible to support universal vaccination while opposing mandates.

              I really don't know why jeff hasn't muted the trolls. The trolls have created a narrative about him and then call him a liar when he goes against it. That's why I've got them all on mute. There isn't an honest person amongst them, so engaging them is pointless. Now here's a comment from you basically calling him a liar for going against the narrative about him. Are you trying to impress the trolls?

              1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                Lol. Youre literally white Knighting the biggest lying piece of shit sophist here because he is your last friend.

              2. Overt   4 years ago

                "It is possible to support universal vaccination while opposing mandates."

                If you support universal vaccination, Sarc, then you must support mandates. Because you will never get universal ANYTHING without mandates. You know that. Jeff knows that. The only difference between us is that you think you are able to have it both ways- declining to support something while doing everything in your power to make it happen.

                When you have a bully picking on little kids (for example vaccine mandates on kids), and you constantly say exactly what the bully is saying, and say that the little kids should really be knuckling under anyways, and you criticize everyone trying to interfere- it is quite reasonable for people to believe that no matter how much you claim to oppose bullying, you'll let it pass as long as it achieves your aims.

                1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                  If you support universal vaccination, Sarc, then you must support mandates. Because you will never get universal ANYTHING without mandates. You know that.

                  Even with mandates you won't get universal anything. People will find a way to get out of it. Universal vaccination is an idea that will never be reality. One can support it without supporting force.

                  1. Overt   4 years ago

                    "One can support it without supporting force."

                    And one can support force by ignoring it, and only criticizing the people looking to oppose it.

                    FFS, how many times have persons like yourself and Chemjeff used the trope, "First they came for the...". Why do you think the ACLU defended Nazis?

                    You can proclaim your non-support of something as much as you want, but when push comes to shove you would rather remain silent while the bully pushes people around. That is your right, but you should not act shocked when people believe that "Universal Vaccination" is more important to you than liberty.

                2. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                  "It would be nice if everyone would blah-blah-blah and I'm going to try to persuade them" is not the same as "Dammit everyone should blah-blah-blah and I'm going to force them".

                  If you can't see that then that's your fault, not jeff's.

                  1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                    You're literally just putting lipstick on the authoritarian pig. Jeff supports economic and societal harm against those who don't want to be vaccinated. Jfree says hospitals should be able to refuse to help the unvaccinated while claiming to be anti mandate as well.

                    Anytime you support societal pressure to force someone to do something you are agreeing with a mandate no matter how much you claim otherwise.

                    What you think and are offering up as nuance is just disguising your support.

                    How many times did Maduro say he didnt want X while forcing people to do X. Words don't mean shit if your actions do not support the words.

                    I also find it strange you are perfectly fine with jeff arguing his opponents views incorrectly and then defend jeff. I also find it humorous that yesterday you were free to push the "implications " in kens posts but nobody is allowed to do the same for jeff.

                    Youre a fucking hypocrite.

                3. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                  If you support universal vaccination, Sarc, then you must support mandates.

                  That's just not true.

                  As Sarc pointed out, not even government coercion creates universal compliance. Seeking universal compliance with anything, whether the means for seeking compliance be coercive or not, is more of an aspirational goal rather than a realistically achievable goal.

                  Furthermore, the whole PROMISE of libertarian thought, as applied to social problems, is that beneficial social results may be obtained by voluntary cooperation rather than government coercion. That people cooperating without coercion in the context of a free market and free choices will do more to alleviate poverty, homelessness, hunger, etc., than any government-mandated social welfare program will. Would you agree with that? Do you think it is possible to obtain "universal housing" (where the meaning of "universal" is intended as above, as aspirational rather than exact 100% attainment) in the context of free markets and free choices? If so, then just substitute "vaccination" for "housing" and we are on the same page.

                  1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                    the whole PROMISE of libertarian thought, as applied to social problems, is that beneficial social results may be obtained by voluntary cooperation rather than government coercion

                    And here is your sophist byllshit front and center. You want "voluntary " cooperation for things you want. And you want society to force people into said cooperation.

                    A corporation firing people for not doing the government's asks is still authoritarianism. It is just fascism you dense fuck.

                    Libertarianism is not about coercing people to do what you want It is about information and letting people decide their own actions. That's why you're not a libertarian.

                  2. JesseAz   4 years ago

                    I mean your entire philosophy would support Maos red guards and revolution for fucks sake. So fuck off.

                  3. sarcasmic   4 years ago

                    Please tell me you're finally going to mute the idiot. I can't read what he said, but I can say for certain that it's not honest. He lies. You dance. He lies. You dance. Stop dancing!

                    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      And for certain you are wrong you ignorant fuck.

                  4. JesseAz   4 years ago

                    When the KKK democrats used societal pressure to get business to voluntary cooperate with not allowing blacks in business, jeff applauded the libertarian actions.

                    When racist mysoginistic white CEOs banded together to voluntarily deny women and pic top positions on boards, jeff applauded the libertarian action.

                    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

                      When banks colluded to redline poc jeff applauded the libertarian actions.

                      When german citizens banded together to harass and demonize the Jewish jeff applauded the libertarian actions.

                      When Hollywood kicked out all communist sympathizers jeff applauded the libertarian actions.

                  5. Overt   4 years ago

                    "Furthermore, the whole PROMISE of libertarian thought, as applied to social problems, is that beneficial social results may be obtained by voluntary cooperation rather than government coercion."

                    No. This is wrong.

                    The promise of libertarian thought is that it is morally better to have a free society than an unfree society. An unfree society where everyone is literate and healthy is morally worse than a free society where some people are sick and can't read. The fact that free societies also tend to provide better outcomes than unfree societies do is a happy side effect.

                    Indeed, it is this basic confusion that most likely allows you to constantly remain silent when the left makes our country less free. When our freedom is infringed, but you believe it to be pragmatically better, you remain in silent opposition.

                    It is quite striking how FAR the Left has fallen in this regard over the past 50 years. Originally, the ACLU defended the speech of Nazis. Not because they felt a world with Nazi speech was important to have around, but because they felt freedom of speech was so important that it must be defended, even if that meant keeping Nazi speech around. But today they have decided that some speech is so bad that it is not worth defending.

                    1. Square = Circle   4 years ago

                      But today they have decided that some speech is so bad that it is not worth defending.

                      I would even go so far as to say they've flipped to believing that if free speech keeps Nazi speech around, free speech itself is not worth defending.

          3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            No. We aren't confused about your mandate support at all.

      5. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

        Oh look! He found another brain dead liberal.

      6. Overt   4 years ago

        Shorter Jeff: I'm not here to discuss issues, just to play the Kulture Warz.

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          And sarc fully supports jeff when he does it.

      7. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        Oh wow! You found a brain-dead liberal who wants to censor people! How original!

        It's not like there isn't an embarrassment of riches, fat boy.

        How about you go run some laps around the block instead of simping for your lefty boos once again?

        1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

          And as he pointed out, you have an embarrassment of braindead teammates right in these here comments.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            If everyone is muted how are you judging their comments dumbass?

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            Look at you, standing up for a guy who whined that not letting child molesters declare refugee status was unfair.

      8. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        banning books and ideas in schools is totally fine and totally not 'indoctrination'

        Lefty school boards are actually holding bookburnings, but Jeff wants to pretend that opposition to teaching reworked Nazi racial theory to kids is somehow 'indoctrination'.

        You're such an evil piece-of-shit Jeff.

      9. Knutsack   4 years ago

        "You found a brain-dead liberal who wants to censor people! How original!"

        I don't think your sarcasm is hitting the note intended. You're right that it's not that original.

        What you could have done was argued for or against the idea, but, instead, your knee-jerk reaction is to attack commenters here. [insert shrugging emoji]

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          I’ve been told repeatedly that Lying Jeffy and sarc only discuss ideas, not people. So your characterization must be false.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Sarc just defended Jeff's lies about peoples ideas above. The very reason he says he mutes people.

      10. Jerry B.   4 years ago

        "You found a brain-dead liberal..."

        What other kind is there?

      11. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

        Oh wow! You found a brain-dead liberal who wants to censor people! How original!

        Not really

      12. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

        Congratulations, both whataboutism and straw man fallacies, all in one comment. Not to mention that you're, again, defending the left by attacking the right... It would be a convincing both sides argument if it was balanced.

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          Hey now. Sarc thinks jeff is pure of heart and a fighter of liberty.

      13. damikesc   4 years ago

        "Oh wow! You found a brain-dead liberal who wants to censor people! How original!"

        Not a challenge to do so, honestly.

        The rest of your post does not even rise to the level of laughable propaganda. I'd be embarrassed to have written this, if I were you.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      One thing that's become crystal clear in the last 5-6 years, especially since 2020 started, is that when the Internet was promoted as the "information superhighway" and marketed as a way for people to get around traditional information gatekeepers to expand their own knowledge, what these people actually meant was that it was supposed to be a tool for the left-liberal cabal to continually assert their own ideology as the cultural consensus over competing narratives.

      This is why the left went, in span of a generation, from touting that "information has to be free!" to demanding that Congress and Silicon Valley work together to class any narrative that goes against their ideology and Narrative of the Moment as "misinformation," "bullying," or "domestic terrorism," and actively, continually suppress it. Haugen's testimony to Congress brought this paradigm fully in to the open, but it's been trending this way ever since "The Internet of Garbage" was published and janny moderators started taking over sites like reddit in an effort to quash alternate viewpoints.

      The mainstream media is simply parroting what their allies in the Democratic Party and Silicon Valley are telling them--that the real problem is the left is being prevented from fully steamrolling its agenda and exercising its whims over anyone who doesn't agree with them.

      1. Overt   4 years ago

        The internet is a great positive feedback loop of information. In the past, if you were arguing in a pub, and someone brought up a counterfactual you weren't prepared for, you had to figure out what that means. It was highly unlikely that there would be another person who had heard that argument and could rebut it. This forced small groups to come to some level of consensus- either forming a consensus view or just learning to drop the matter out of politeness.

        The Internet flipped that. No matter what, if you get some fact out there, there are millions of people throwing counter arguments, and the most effective one will be amplified and risen to the top. Being on the internet means never finding yourself out-debated because a million arguments are a google search away. You never have to question your beliefs. You never find yourself isolated. You always have a support group.

        This, of course, is untenable for society. If we cannot agree on anything, we will forever have this tug of war between factions that are increasingly certain they are 100% correct. There are two ways to fix this: 1) Adopt a popular consensus of mass tolerance and freedom- declining to give a fuck what some reddit user does with their lives or 2) Make it impossible for your opposing factions to make use of the same information positive feedback that you enjoy.

        The left, and the leaders of Big Tech, are increasingly choosing 2.

    4. Griffin3   4 years ago

      Wow. Hard to imagine a policy that would tilt conversation more effectively into the favor of mass spambot nets.

    5. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

      "And we also received a toxic dump of garbage."

      Excuse me, it's called "Twitter."

      1. You're Kidding   4 years ago

        Yeah. I set up a Twitter account because our public utility uses Twitter to send out messages about planned power shut offs. And, because the local counties and cities use it to send out information on emergencies, etc.

        But, along with it comes a bunch of other crap. Things I can't even wrap my mind around. Not because I agree or disagree. But because they make no sense at all and the so called "engagement" isn't in any cohesive or time framed order.

        Ditto for Facebook. Something pops up, I have some interest and hit it and then realize it's from five years ago.

        Makes no sense at all.

    6. You're Kidding   4 years ago

      "Ideas spread freely beyond borders."

      Tell that to the Chinese people...or the North Koreans.

  23. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    "Those higher costs are making their way to consumers, as McDonald's executives said they expect U.S. prices to be up about 6% this year compared with last year."

    1. Inflation isn't actually happening.
    2. Even if inflation happens, it won't matter from a Koch / Reason libertarian POV. Our philosophy exists to serve billionaires who can afford a fulltime chef, not lower class losers who eat fast food.

  24. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Peak ‘Virtue Signalling’: In-Person Doctor Visits Reduced in Glasgow to Clear Traffic for COP26 Climate Summit
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/10/24/in-person-doctor-visits-reduced-to-clear-traffic-for-climate-summit/

    1. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      We're going to save the world, no matter how many lives we have to sacrifice.

  25. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

    Blood-sucking eel with rows of swirling teeth spotted after 20-year hunt

    Did they also find the nearby spice?

  26. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Not diesel, biodiesel.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/26/blog-posting/no-diesel-fuel-isnt-recharging-electric-cars-cop26/

    "More Embarrassment: COP26 Luxury EVs to be Recharged Using Diesel Generators," said a headline on the website Watt’s Up With That on Oct. 24.

    The conservative website Zero Hedge quipped Oct. 16, "Maybe since we're gathered to talk about the negative effect on the climate, we could at least start by finding a carbon neutral way to shuttle yourself back and forth to the event."

    A plain reading would suggest that electric vehicles were being recharged by burning ordinary diesel fuel.

    That’s not what’s going on. Yes, generators are being used for recharging, but people who read just a bit further would see that the generators will burn a type of vegetable oil, a fuel with significantly lower emissions than diesel.

    The fuel is called a biodiesel, but it’s fossil-free and chemically quite different from standard petroleum-based diesel fuel.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Or, they could’ve just rode bicycles for the last mile.

    2. Zeb   4 years ago

      Yeah, it is diesel fuel, just a different kind.
      Probably is more efficient than running the vehicle on a gasoline engine if you have a diesel generator operating at optimal efficiency.

    3. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

      They convert diesel fuel in tractors and tanker trucks to plant material, then use the plants to make bio-diesel. Presto-changeo carbon free fuel.

      1. LibertyWeeb   4 years ago

        Carbon laundering. Brilliant.

    4. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      Why couldn't it just be a Zoom meeting? There's no reason to do this shit in person at all.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        It’s difficult to pass envelopes stuffed with cash on zoom.

        1. Overt   4 years ago

          One more reason for them to embrace BTC!

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            Sounds like a job for Toobin. He’ll handle it.

            1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

              He will expose them for what they are.

      2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        I've heard this question/criticism raised a million times, and never seen it answered. It's always just ignored by them.

        Needing billionaires and celebrities arriving in carbon-spewing yachts and private jets to hob-nob with bureaucrats over caviar canapés and Cristal, in order to save the planet from CO2, seems odd.

    5. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      Charging electric cars with diesel generators? Must be California.

    6. R Mac   4 years ago

      Why can’t they just charge their cars from coal fired power plants like everyone else?

      1. You're Kidding   4 years ago

        Because they use nukes rather than coal?

    7. Square = Circle   4 years ago

      The fuel is called a biodiesel, but it’s fossil-free

      This is symptomatic of how this has turned into a religion.

      Biodiesel is still a hydrocarbon. You're still burning it. If you are concerned about CO2 in the atmosphere, the atmosphere doesn't actually care whether that CO2 came from dead plant goo sucked from the ground or from french-fry grease. The word "bio" attached to the beginning doesn't magically make it clean.

      1. You're Kidding   4 years ago

        Or even from the natural biological process of millions of microscopic organisms breaking down the dead wood accumulation of forests or decaying the "bio fuel" that grew on the tundra.

        Believe it or not, it wasn't that long ago that burning wood to heat one's home was considered O.K. because it was carbon neutral. If the wood was not burned, the carbon stored in it would be released by the microbes breaking it down.

        How soon we forget.

    8. You're Kidding   4 years ago

      And, it's CO2 emissions free! Right?

      Plus, no NOx. Right?

  27. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/echo_chamberz/status/1452333293542723586

    UK gov released & deleted a “Behavioral Insights Team” document that celebrated their populations’ “tendency to conform”

    1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      they didnt' need a study for that.

  28. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Parents claim they have the right to shape their kids’ school curriculum. They don’t.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/parents-rights-protests-kids/2021/10/21/5cf4920a-31d4-11ec-9241-aad8e48f01ff_story.html

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      Exactly what "anti-anti-CRT" left-libertarians like chemjeff and I have been arguing.

      #RadicalIndividualistsForRacialCollectivism

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

      Parents claim they have the right to shape their kids’ school curriculum. They don’t.

      So I'll ask once again: Where do you draw the line between the authority of parents to shape their kids' school curriculum, and the authority of teachers and school administrators to shape the kids' school curriculum?

      The purpose of education should not be just to teach basic skills. The purpose of education should not be to turn kids into clones of their parents. The purpose of education should be to create broadly educated critical thinkers who will become informed thinkers who can make intelligent decisions on matters of public importance. You can't get that if the curriculum is nothing but bland banal garbage because it panders only to the lowest common denominator of parents who are looking to find offense at everything.

      1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

        That would explain why all the advanced programs are being canceled.

      2. Selfish I Am   4 years ago

        The purpose is to turn kids into clones of their teachers.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          The purpose is to turn kids into clones of their teachers. servants to the state.

      3. JesseAz   4 years ago

        So ill ask you once again, why do you prefer the state to decide what is taught? That has never ended badly right?

        Teachers college entrance exams are among the lowest of any major. They are not the luminaries you pretend they are. We have also seen a dumbing down of education under the watch of government. Go look at a 1950s physics text book compared to today. Common core pushed learning algebra a year back. Teachers now push equity in even math and science classes. Scores continue to drop despite education spending 3x per child more now than in the 70s.

        But you defend the bullshit because you defend the left who has largely collapsed modern education into teaching propaganda, activism and dependency. Youre a leftist shit.

        1. Overt   4 years ago

          And it is noteworthy that as recently as the 80s teachers in the "Hard" sciences were generally expected to have degrees in those sciences. Chemistry and Math teachers were generally degree holders in those fields.

          But there was a deliberate attempt in the late 80s and early 90s to make pedagogy a discipline. Teachers unions wanted to transform Teachers from "specialists passing on their knowledge" to "specialists in passing on knowledge." They wanted the teaching profession to be like Law or Medicine, where the practice itself was taught.

          This had numerous problems. First of all, it is a relatively early discipline, so it is shockingly not very results focused (as we can see on test performance scores over the last 30 years).

          Second, it has caused a massive change in focus from "what is the knowledge" to "what method shall we use to teach it". Teachers learn their entire college career that there are novel methods to coax the brain into understanding facts, and so they spend endless time re-adjusting learning methods rather than encouraging kids to learn the content through repetition. We see clear evidence of this in Common Core, where the attempt was made to change how people learn math, and scores have clearly gone down as a result of its introduction.

          Finally, it put professional teachers in charge of knowledge transfer for subjects they don't themselves understand. My kids' 6th grade teacher couldn't do long division. Her 7th grade math teacher couldn't do anything but read what was in the book- to the point that she banned external worksheets, because they didn't have the book's explanations in them. Finally,

          1. Griffin3   4 years ago

            Really wanted to see where the rest of this went. But, anyway ...
            We had a Chemistry teacher, fully certified, at our local high school. After about five months, she ended up accusing all of the students of cheating, had some sort of breakdown in class, and left. I actually had helped both of my kids through online FLVS chemistry the year before (another total crapfest), so I had already talked to the principal of my interest in teaching, and ... why not? I volunteered to teach the one class of high-school kids chemistry. I have a BS in Chemistry, 3 years of experience (before I moved to computer programming/hardware) and I brought those kids up from the 2 month level to the 8 month level in about 6 weeks. Along the way I heard all sorts of horror stories about the previous teacher not being able to explain anything, shouting down people trying to correct her. With evidence: the walls were covered with coloring assignments she had given to a high-school chemistry class.

            Sadly, after the 6 weeks the county got wind of, god forbid, a parent teaching a chemistry class. I was told the county would send someone up to "keep them busy" until the end of the year. When I objected to this publicly, they backed up and promised they would send a county admin with science background to teach the class. Fine? They actually consulted for two days, and then left the 7th grade math teacher to finish out the course. The kids were pissed, the parents were pissed. They did get a remote videoconference chemistry teacher the next year, so I guess some good eventually came of it.

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              Mentioned before how my kids go to one of the top rated charter schools in the country. They use almost no teaching graduates but ex industry professionals. Their education allows them to pass the state HS graduation exam in 8th grade.

              1. Square = Circle   4 years ago

                We took our daughter out of public schools after fifth grade and have kept her in independent schools, and in those you only ever seem to see the Ed. degrees in administration. Classroom teachers have subject matter degrees, even in middle school.

              2. You're Kidding   4 years ago

                The best accounting/finance professor - actually a lecturer who was teaching as a way to pay for his law school program - was an actual, real world CFO to a mid sized company and had earned a CPA right after his graduation. And then gotten an MBA in night school. He had taken that company through bankruptcy caused by the son of one of the founders making a drastic, contractual mistake with a fortune 100 toy maker.

                He was teaching both at UC and at a nearby CSU while he attended the UC law school.

                He was tough, no nonsense and had real world experience in application of textbook theory to share. He was loved by his students, except those that failed, because of this. He was nothing like the tenured professors we usually had.

                I wish I had had many more like him.

            2. Square = Circle   4 years ago

              Sadly, after the 6 weeks the county got wind of, god forbid, a parent teaching a chemistry class.

              Well, you're not certificated, so you can't possibly have had adequate training for the delicate business of conveying information to young minds.

              1. You're Kidding   4 years ago

                Yeah. Especially the all important social aspects like ESL, lunch program for the poor children, etc.

          2. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

            At the University where I work, I'll get emails from some of the M ed.'s there, and they'll actually put M ed. after their name in their email signature (e.g. "Jane Smith, M ed.). Whenever I get one of these emails, in my reply I will amend my email signature to put in the three REAL graduate degrees I have, since I usually don't put those, just to let them know that they should tamp down their pride over their joke "graduate degree." I doubt any of them are bright enough to figure out what I'm doing.

            1. You're Kidding   4 years ago

              A good friend of mine was a teacher and an administrator a small, school district. Retiring eventually as the head of that district.

              He was also a life long learner. Taking courses of all kinds all the time.

              He would become really incensed when people referred to their EdD, equating it with a PhD. He had a complete, concise lecture he would go off on about how they were NOT equivalent in any way.

          3. You're Kidding   4 years ago

            Yep. That lack of repetition in my grade school and high school years is what killed me when I got to college.

            Teachers regularly emphasized that they wanted us to not be repetitive monkeys; they wanted us to understand the concepts instead. We could always look up the actual names, dates, etc. involved. Tests were frequently open book.

            I excelled at this in grade and high school. Having a 4.0 GPA. I was in all the advanced course I could get. And always math and science.

            Then, as a potential engineering major, my first year in college included chemistry and calculus. I barely passed the first and received the the first (and last) "F" I had ever gotten in the second. All because in my UC science and math courses, I was expected to have committed formulas and theorems to memory. Which I did not know how to do.

      4. Zeb   4 years ago

        The purpose of education should be up to parents.

      5. creech   4 years ago

        "The purpose of education should be to create broadly educated critical thinkers who will become informed thinkers who can make intelligent decisions on matters of public importance. "
        I'd say that is what most parents want too. However, the objection seems to be that many school curiculums are too one sided - that the students aren't given the materials to think critically. Do all sides get represented in economic lessons, in history, in social studies?
        Maybe if you want your kid to only learn that John C. Calhoun was the greatest American or that only Karl Marx's ideas should be
        taught when discussing America's economic path forward, then get your kid out of the government school and into a private school that teaches what you want. Oh, and take your government school taxes with you.

      6. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

        I asked this before and I apologize if you've already answered and I missed it, but I still wonder: are you saying that if a public school system is teaching creationism, that abortion is murder, that individuals have a right to own a gun, etc. that "progressive" parents have no right to object? Or even to know what is in the curriculum?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

          First, this is not a great analogy to what is happening in the current context in schools. But I'll address it anyway: If the curriculum was as you described, yes of course parents have every right to object. But the solution is not to put parents in direct control of the curriculum and have them micromanage every decision made in the classroom. The solution is to have a curriculum that fosters the goals that I laid out above, for creating critical thinkers and informed citizens.

          1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            Weak

          2. Cronut   4 years ago

            This is a dishonest framing of the issue. No parent is asking for direct control of curriculum. They are asking that they be informed and know what's being taught in the schools they pay for.

            But to answer your dishonest question, O have a right to ask for information about pretty much anything I purchase. I can ask about the ingredients in my food. I can ask about the parts used in my car. I can ask about anything, and if I don't like the answer, I can decline to purchase it and go purchase something that better reflects what I want. That's where the line is. If I don't like the administrators and teachers' answers, I can decline to purchase the product, and go buy one that better suits what I want.

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              Many school boards now require parents to sign an NDA to view what material is taught.

            2. You're Kidding   4 years ago

              Everyone needs to remember that there are more sources of education that schools alone. Especially the educational establishment. As well as the parents.

              Government schools are not, and should not, be the end all of one's life eductation.

          3. Enjoy Every Sandwich   4 years ago

            Ah, so they can object so long as their objections are ignored. Gotcha.

            And this is a problem we've seen before. I'm old enough to remember when a bunch calling themselves "The Moral Majority" openly spoke of "Christianizing" public schools. So shutting parents out of this process might indeed have repercussions the Left won't like.

          4. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Shorter jeff "stop using my own contradictions against me"

          5. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            First, this is not a great analogy to what is happening in the current context in schools."

            No it isn't. Because CRT is far worse than creationism. Creationism is the old "scientific" doctrine of the last three millennia, that was gradually replaced in the late nineteenth century with evolutionary theory.

            Jeff's precious CRT on the other hand is warmed over Klan and Nazi racial ideologies repurposed for 21st century bigots.

            The biggest harm from creationism would be inaccuracy, but the progenitors of CRT killed hundreds of millions.

            Jeff is like our own little Mouth of Sauron.

      7. Stonebraker   4 years ago

        “Where do you draw the line between the authority of parents to shape their kids' school curriculum, and the authority of teachers and school administrators to shape the kids' school curriculum?”

        I feel like this is a really interesting question. I actually asked similar question of the Roundtable a few months ago. They of course did not answer it. Mine was more along the lines of should the government be allowed to stop or even encourage any type of speech in a public school? Including teaching false information. At what point is it an infringement on the first amendment? In my mind, the government just setting a curriculum is compelled speech. This to me is the biggest problem with public schools. We have given the government the power to control speech through the school system. My hope (although a massive long shot) is that the culture wars cause the public school system to go supernova.

        I didn’t totally answer your question, but to me it is deeply creepy as fuck (TM - Overt) to allow the government to control speech in school.

        1. Zeb   4 years ago

          Is compelled speech really a problem when it's an employment situation? Teachers are paid to speak in certain ways, and there are clearly ways that it is inappropriate for teachers to speak to students. As long as teachers aren't compelled to speak in certain ways or censored outside of the classroom, I'm not sure it's really a free speech issue. Of course, it would all be much simpler if we weren't talking about government schools.

          1. Stonebraker   4 years ago

            "Of course, it would all be much simpler if we weren't talking about government schools."

            This hits right at the core of my point. When the government becomes so expansive, every aspect of our lives becomes more convoluted and nothing is a straightforward analysis anymore. Actually thinking through all of the permutations on this and how to respond to you is giving me a headache.

            I would absolutely agree that compelled speech is not a problem at all in a private school setting. Teaching a certain curriculum as a condition of employment is a right that the employer has. However, for me, there is a massive change when the government becomes the employer. I do not believe that the government has a right to dictate the types of speech allowed and not allowed - outside of calls to violence, fraud, libel, slander etc. Just because a teacher is an employee of the state, it does not mean that the rules change, and they have to give up a portion of their natural rights to the government. Again there is a massive distinction between public and private for me. The sticking point for me is the government being allowed to restrict the rights of its citizens through what seems like a voluntary association. For me, it is not much different from the government becoming a massive part of the economy making huge purchases from every business. Then demanding that all of their suppliers pay a minimum of $30/hr with full benefits and everyone in the business must be vaccinated against COVID. It sounds like free association, but in the end it is the government controlling the citizens through covert means.

            I hope all of that made sense. Again this is a really convoluted issue so it is not an easy explanation.

            Ultimately, the best answer is for the public school system to go away. Everything becomes more simple when it is individuals interacting with other individuals.

            1. Overt   4 years ago

              "Teaching a certain curriculum as a condition of employment is a right that the employer has. However, for me, there is a massive change when the government becomes the employer."

              Don't think about this as the relationship between the Teacher and their employer. Think of this as the relationship between the Tax payer, Parent and the government.

              Consider that you are free to contract with, say, a PR agency to send a message out on your behalf. Courts would say this is an expression of your freedom of speech, right? They are speaking on your behalf, and you get to choose the contact of that speech. And if the government came in and said, "We are going to tax you, create a Government Sponsored PR Firm, and tell them what messages to broadcast on your behalf", that would absolutely be compelled speech.

              So as a tax payer, the government is taking your money and using it to deliver some message to kids. That is absolutely compelling speech if they are not speaking what you wanted. Even further, the government is taking this a step further. They are assuming the natural right over the children. Kids are not a ward of the state. They are the ward of their parents (or other guardian assumed through mutual agreement). Those guardians own the speech that will be used to educate those kids. Forcing that speech to be anything other than what they prefer is compelled speech.

              1. Stonebraker   4 years ago

                "Think of this as the relationship between the Tax payer, Parent and the government."

                I completely agree. I think this is a far better and more direct way to frame the discussion. It leads to a less convoluted analysis.

              2. damikesc   4 years ago

                It takes amazing stones for Jeff to argue that the employers of the teachers (you know, the ones who do pay their salaries) do not have total control over the product they pay for.

                1. Overt   4 years ago

                  To be fair, I'm not sure what he is arguing, but it is pretty clear that he doesn't see parents as an employer here. Or if they are employers, it is as tax-payers, not the childrens' parents. And thus he should have as much say as any parent since he too is a taxpayer.

                  I also don't think Jeff has thought about this as deeply as he doesn't have children himself. I think he reflexively jumped in to support his Team, and it is why there is a bit of incoherence to his arguments.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                    Parents are purchasing a service, and that service is the education of their children. Parents are not purchasing the service of the indentured servitude of teachers to repeat a script that parents write for them.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

                  It takes amazing stones for Jeff to argue that the employers of the teachers (you know, the ones who do pay their salaries) do not have total control over the product they pay for.

                  If you hire a lawyer to defend you in court, does that mean you are entitled to dictate every aspect of the legal defense strategy? If you say "hey, I know what to do, I will lie in court, threaten the judge, and blackmail the jury in order to obtain an acquittal, and I pay your salary so I demand that you execute this strategy on my behalf", do you think the lawyer should have to do what you say? Or, MAYBE, when you pay a professional to perform a service for you, you are paying for the SERVICE AS A WHOLE, and you are NOT paying for every micro-detail that the professional might decide upon in order to provide that service for you?

      8. Idaho Bob   4 years ago

        "...who will become informed thinkers who can make intelligent decisions on matters of public importance."

        Who's deciding "public importance"?

        This is some slaver shit.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          chemtard has to frame this shit in the broadest generalities, because he knows that drilling down in to what is actually being taught with these cultural Marxist narratives from the universities on-down makes his lefty boos look absolutely awful in the context of the educational arena.

          Being the socially maladapted, forever alone fat boy that he is, he's intellectually incapable of grasping the concept that parents have a stake in what their kids are being taught. His position is one the Jon Stewart variety, that strong disagreements are something to be avoided like the plague, because it might upset and reject the left-liberal consensus that is the Right Side of History.

      9. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

        The purpose of education should not be just to teach basic skills.

        As usual, jeffy conflates education with public education.

        1. SaveAllRednecks   4 years ago

          At least he doesn’t have a dead pig friend.

          Hahahaha do you miss Brian?

          Fucking pig got what he deserved.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            Piss off, Shrike. Go be a Mormon-hating antisemite somewhere else.

      10. Overt   4 years ago

        "Where do you draw the line between the authority of parents to shape their kids' school curriculum, and the authority of teachers and school administrators to shape the kids' school curriculum?"

        This is very simple. Education should be free. It should be a manifestation of our freedoms of speech and association. Children are wards of parents, not the state. When a school is educating the children, they are delegated that responsibility from the PARENTS, not the state (because the state doesn't hold that child's rights in trust, the parent does). Therefore the school should manifest the parents' free speech and association.

        School administrators, teachers and the School Boards are there to enact the will of PARENTS, not the State- and certainly not parentless onlookers like yourself. School boards and school systems were originally an example of parents collaborating voluntarily to identify the proper curriculum for their kids as carried out by the professionals they hired.

        The worst thing possible is to try and subvert the will of parents for some "one size fits all" solution to education, applied nationally. Such as:

        "The purpose of education should not be just to teach basic skills. The purpose of education should not be to turn kids into clones of their parents. The purpose of education should be to create broadly educated critical thinkers who will become informed thinkers who can make intelligent decisions on matters of public importance."

        1) Critical thinking has never been a part of K-12 curriculum so that ought to put you on the side of people who want to shake things up. Up through a bachelor's degree, kids are taught argumentation- largely supporting a conjecture (one handed to them, or one they choose) by finding evidence. This is the opposite of critical thinking. So, even if we believe that you, a mere tax payer, has a say in the education of my kids, how do you intend to affect change at the school level to achieve your "education should"s?

        2) Parents have many reasons for educating their children. Until those children are emancipated from their parents, those parents hold those goals in trust, not you. Whatever social engineering project you would like to undertake- whether to create little marxists like yourself, or god fearing zealots, whenever you have children, I will support your right to work with like minded parents to advise the curriculum of your choosing. The way to do that is to introduce as much choice and as little government control as possible.

        1. Minadin   4 years ago

          Jeff may be many things, but it's unlikely that he is 'parentless'. Childless, perhaps.

          Anyway, I agree with most of your points, especially the terribleness of standardized approaches being mandated - and that works with a lot more policies than just public education.

          But, should those of us without children have absolutely no say in how the school systems we support are run? We are paying for them the same as everyone else. And we also have to live with the consequences.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

            But, should those of us without children have absolutely no say in how the school systems we support are run? We are paying for them the same as everyone else. And we also have to live with the consequences.

            I think Overt nailed it. Parents have stewardship over their children, not the state and not complete strangers. Ideally, people would bear the burden of their own offspring, but a basic education for all has proven to be of great benefit to the nation. The problem has been the shift to providing something more than a basic education.

          2. Overt   4 years ago

            "Jeff may be many things, but it's unlikely that he is 'parentless'."
            Lol! Good catch.

            "But, should those of us without children have absolutely no say in how the school systems we support are run?"

            Yeah that is a very fair question. As I say above, since education is quite literally speech, one must assume that the government taxing you is compelled speech. Just as my taxes going towards government ad campaigns is compelled speech. Etc. Again, in the case of Parents, they are going even more directly- not just compelling their speech as a tax-payer, but compelling their speech as the trust-holder of those kids' education. So it is an even further infringement.

            Now, the obvious answer is that we stop infringing everyone's rights by minimizing the government as much as possible. But alas I don't think that is in the cards. So our argument now needs to be a practical one.

            I view Government Sponsored Education much the same as I view Government Sponsored Charity (Welfare). Ideally we eliminate it, but if we've got to have it, we should spend it correctly. And the very best way to do that is to put the money in control of the beneficiary for them to use at their discretion. This is why believe that welfare shouldn't be a bunch of strings attached to dollars, but a lump sum paid to the "deserving". We might have an opinion about who should get money, but once we have determined that, it is their money to spend. I feel the same about education. If we have decided all kids get money for education, it is up to them to spend it.

            This is an attempt to minimize the impact of an infringement on our freedoms of speech and association (through forced taxation) by maximizing the freedoms of speech and association when the money has been transferred.

            "And we also have to live with the consequences."

            I find this to be an unpersuasive argument that is used all too often. We live in a complex society and every action has some "consequence" that others have to live with. That should not be justification for minimizing freedom. In the case of transfer payments, if we don't like the consequences of giving people money to spend as they see fit, we ought to just stop giving them the money, not try to create a bunch of requirements applied over 10s of millions of students.

            1. Minadin   4 years ago

              These are well-reasoned arguments. I agree in part and disagree in part. It's not very libertarian to agree completely. We're well-regarded for being contrarians, after all.

              If there were a way to make the dollars follow the students and give their parents the ultimate choice about where they are spent, I would be, grudgingly, on-board with that, even with my money being part of the pot.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

          This is very simple. Education should be free. It should be a manifestation of our freedoms of speech and association. Children are wards of parents, not the state. When a school is educating the children, they are delegated that responsibility from the PARENTS, not the state (because the state doesn't hold that child's rights in trust, the parent does). Therefore the school should manifest the parents' free speech and association.

          I don't think it is as simple as that. Yes of course children are wards of their parents, and not of the state. And yes when a school is educating children, they are delegated that responsibility from their parents. But the key word is educating. While they are many ways to educate, it is not entirely in the eye of the beholder. Simply repeating in the classroom a script that the parents want to be read, because "the parents pay for it", is not necessarily delivering the service of education that is the whole point of this entire exercise. In other words, a curriculum that parents like does not automatically become "education" just because parents pay for it and it's transmitted through a school. So, sometimes, to deliver on the service of education, it does mean going against the wishes of the parents. This is just as true if the parents were to demand teaching young earth creationism as scientific fact, as if the parents were to demand eliminating all works of Shakespeare from the curriculum because "white male patriarchy".

          1. Overt   4 years ago

            "But the key word is educating."

            No, the key words are Expression and Association. I completely agree that there are many ways to Educate- just as there are many ways to entertain, protest, preach, argue or otherwise express ideas to people. And everyone recognizes that these are various expressions of free speech.

            Are you really going to argue to me that Education is not speech? Before you reflexively give an answer, think about what that really means- every argument that the ACLU, FIRE and other legal advocates have made towards academic freedoms would need to be abandoned.

            "So, sometimes, to deliver on the service of education, it does mean going against the wishes of the parents."

            You never really explain why this is. I am anxious for the libertarian argument for why "sometimes" we must violate the parent's freedom of speech and association in order to educate. Setting aside the Constitution, is there some sort of "right" claimed on a child, by society? How, as a libertarian can you square that with freedom of association and speech?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

              I am anxious for the libertarian argument for why "sometimes" we must violate the parent's freedom of speech and association in order to educate.

              No one here is advocating for taking away anyone's free speech rights or free association rights in this context. The question is whether some particular speech, within some particular association, may rightly be considered "education" in a specific discipline. I mean, you are free to advocate all you want that if you wear a pointy hat and wave a magic wand you are able to turn lead into gold, and you are free to associate with other like-minded alchemists who believe the same thing, but that type of speech should not be included in a proper chemistry curriculum other than as a historical footnote.

              I am not a relativist, I don't believe that education means whatever you want it to mean.

        3. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

          1) Critical thinking has never been a part of K-12 curriculum so that ought to put you on the side of people who want to shake things up.

          Yes I want to shake things up. I just don't think shaking things up by handing over the curriculum to an angry mob would represent a constructive development.

          2) Parents have many reasons for educating their children. Until those children are emancipated from their parents, those parents hold those goals in trust, not you.

          I agree that there are many reasons. I don't agree that all reasons are equally valid. I do agree that there should be a diversity of choice among the different possible education options out there. However I also think there should be a minimum baseline standard to which all students are held, regardless of the particular type of educational option that is chosen. All students need to have some minimum proficiency in the basic requirements for participating as a functioning adult in modern society.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Except you dont support critical thinking. You defended CRT indoctrination for fucks sake. You also have now claimed multiple times state and teachers should choose content. That is not critical thinking. Unless all sides are presented in an adversarial manner to allow students to see both sides it is simply indoctrination. Crt is one sided, purely so. And you support it.

          2. Overt   4 years ago

            "Yes I want to shake things up. I just don't think shaking things up by handing over the curriculum to an angry mob would represent a constructive development."

            This seems remarkably like "freedom for me, and not for thee." That is, when it is a curriculum you approve of, it is fine to change The System, but when it is people you don't like- not so much, as they are a "mob".

            As much as you think children SHOULD be taught some sort of curriculum, as a libertarian you MUST accept that people with freedom are not going to do as you think they ought to. That is what being free means, Jeff.

            "I agree that there are many reasons. I don't agree that all reasons are equally valid... minimum baseline standard...All students need to have some minimum proficiency...basic requirements"

            That is some authoritarian speak there, fellow libertarian. I do mean that literally. Where is the authority derived to proclaim certain speech "valid" while other speech is "invalid"? Setting that aside, under what construction of rights does some Authority override the child and parent's rights to speech?

            "All students need to have some minimum proficiency in the basic requirements for participating as a functioning adult in modern society."

            No. Students aren't your slaves. They don't NEED to be anything to meet your whim, just so long as they aren't infringing on your liberties. It is a violation of the NAP to declare these kids as "needing" to do anything to benefit society (and this assumes that you, or anyone can accurately determine what benefits society- a conceit that lefties have been pretty wrong on since at least 1917).

      11. Claptrap   4 years ago

        The purpose of education should not be just to teach basic skills.

        This is exactly the purpose of state-funded and provided education. The government requires a certain degree of literacy and numeracy of its citizens as a matter of participation in society; as such is it duty-bound to provide an education of its citizens that will permit that interaction.

        Public schooling has no point following roughly the 8th grade level. After that, figure it out for yourself.

        The purpose of education should be to create broadly educated critical thinkers who will become informed thinkers who can make intelligent decisions on matters of public importance.

        Here's where "BOTH SIDEZ!" actually makes some sense. The problem with CRT-based pedagogy, aside from the thinly-veiled outright racism, is that it's mostly used to replace existing curricula, not supplement them, apparently under the assumption that students are already subsumed within a culture which reflexively opposes the viewpoints and as such do not need to be instructed in the counterarguments. These fail to advance your proposed objective of creating "broadly educated critical thinkers who will become informed thinkers who can make intelligent decisions on matters of public importance."

      12. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

        Teachers should have input based on performance. Administrators, less of the same. The curricula developed based on this, the needs of the community, parents, and state and national guidance. Not by teachers and administrators. This isn't complicated.

      13. damikesc   4 years ago

        "So I'll ask once again: Where do you draw the line between the authority of parents to shape their kids' school curriculum, and the authority of teachers and school administrators to shape the kids' school curriculum?"

        Parents have absolute authority. Unquestioned and undeniable.

        The school admins have whatever power the parents decide to give them. Or take back from them. They are free to quit if they find it so distasteful.

        It's an exceptionally easy line to draw.

    3. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      get rid of public schools entirely. problem solved

  29. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Fury at ‘do not resuscitate’ notices given to Covid patients with learning disabilities

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

    People with learning disabilities have been given do not resuscitate orders during the second wave of the pandemic, in spite of widespread condemnation of the practice last year and an urgent investigation by the care watchdog.

    Mencap said it had received reports in January from people with learning disabilities that they had been told they would not be resuscitated if they were taken ill with Covid-19.

    The Care Quality Commission said in December that inappropriate Do Not Attempt Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (DNACPR) notices had caused potentially avoidable deaths last year.

    DNACPRs are usually made for people who are too frail to benefit from CPR, but Mencap said some seem to have been issued for people simply because they had a learning disability. The CQC is due to publish a report on the practice within weeks.

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      No wonder Jeff is so scared.

    2. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      Remember, death panels are a Dangerous Misinformation Conspiracy Theory.

    3. Jerry B.   4 years ago

      Death panels?

    4. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

      What are the chances those deaths were counted as from Covid versus from physician choice, in this case, likely homicide?

  30. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    The Biden economy continues concentrating wealth at the very top with unprecedented efficiency.

    The 10 richest Americans have gained a combined $343 billion this year.

    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. Cyto   4 years ago

      You give six or eight trillion dollars a year to the government to distribute as they see fit, how else do you think it's going to end?

  31. tracerv   4 years ago

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/579011-biden-administration-considering-giving-450000-per-person

    According to The Wall Street Journal, the departments of Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services could end up paying out close to $1 million per immigrant family that was separated at the border. Sources told the Journal that around $450,000 a person is being considered, but that figure could change depending on each family’s circumstances.

    1. tracerv   4 years ago

      Illegally show up at the border $500000.

      Lose your business due to lockdown $1200.

      Math does not add up... Priceless!

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      So Biden wants to encourage child sex-trafficking?

      1. Moonrocks   4 years ago

        Does that surprise you?

      2. Jerry B.   4 years ago

        As long as their hair smells nice.

      3. Chumby   4 years ago

        He has his finger on the pulse of this.

        1. Smack Daddy   4 years ago

          After all it just landed in his lap.

    3. Cyto   4 years ago

      Everyone here should be reading the coverage of this story with two sets of eyes. First, obviously, is the absolutely ludicrous policy. Taking it face value it is farcical, but when you realize that it is a thinly veiled political attack costing hundreds of millions of dollars, it really strains my hold on reality.
      Second, take careful note of the tone of the coverage. Imagine yourself even just a few years ago in the Obama administration and having news organizations take something this ridiculous seriously. Now, not only is this covered as if it was some grand awakening and a long-awaited correction of great historical wrongs, but it is lionized, even deified.

      Just look at the URL from the hill.

      The directory structure is
      Changing-america
      Respect
      Equality

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        This is actually a pretty dangerous bellwether. It indicates that the Democrats know they have the press completely in their pocket and aren't fearing any kind of political fallout for saying that they want to give non-citizens $1 million, simply because those non-citizens put their kids through hell in order to use them as leverage to gain entrance in to this country without permission, and that it's really OUR fault that they made these bad decisions.

        This isn't any kind of moderate policy at all. It's full-blown, anti-American leftism.

        1. Moonrocks   4 years ago

          It's not that they know that the media is in on it (they already knew that for decades), it's that they don't fear any consequences of any kind from the public. This is the aristocracy telling the peasants what's going to happen, whether the peasants like it or not.

    4. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      How much do they pay families that lost their son in war?

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        *Biden checks his watch*

  32. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

    Make Everything Trump Again

    #META

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      LOL

  33. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    "President Joe Biden's attempt to reset the messy negotiations over his "Build Back Better" plan seems to have failed, at least for now."

    Did you guys hear the phone ringing? Because I called it. I've been calling it for months.

    https://reason.com/2021/10/28/biden-dumps-free-community-college-from-spending-bill/?comments=true#comment-9181115

    I didn't predict the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill would fail, and I'm not saying it will fail now. But what's happening now and why was clearly foreseen. As recently as last week, someone in comments was telling me that I was confused about where the opposition to the infrastructure bill was coming from in the House. Just because we're opposed to infrastructure pork doesn't mean the progressives are in favor. No, they're not against the bill for the same reasons we are, but they are the source of the opposition. They will not accept a budget reconciliation bill that is pared down to the point where Manchin and Sinema will accept it.

    Does this mean progressives activists will start harassing Pramila Jayapal in the restroom like they did with Sinema?!

    It may be important to understand that the Congressional Progressive Caucus doesn't have much to lose from Nancy Pelosi's failure. When Pelosi falters, Pramila Jayapal, the leader of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, will almost certainly ascend to be the the Speaker or the minority leader, whichever is relevant when Pelosi finally goes. Pelosi's bill in the House depending on the support of the progressives who are set to take her place as Speaker if she fails was always a major vulnerability. But it's not like Pelosi had a choice. Republican gains in the House in 2020 made her majority too small to withstand much dissent.

    Note, too, that the Democrats who are most likely to lose their seats in the upcoming midterms are not members of Jaypal's Congressional Progressive Caucus. It's the moderates in red and purple districts who are likely to lose their seats. Yes, if the Congressional Progressive Caucus ends up killing Biden's budget reconciliation bill in its entirety, they may lose a lot of the socialist and Green New Deal spending they want. On the other hand, all Pramila Jayapal has to do at this point is take a knee and run out the clock, and she becomes the leader of the Democrats in the House.

    This may still turn around. Screwing the unions over (especially the AFL-CIO) on the infrastructure bill may be a bridge too far for the Congressional Progressive Caucus. I still would expect the infrastructure bill to pass in 2022 ahead of the Midterms. What Democrat doesn't want to spend money on pork in an election year? Between now and then, though, what is it about the progressive leadership that should make us think they prefer principle to power? I still don't know what will happen, but if the choice for Jayapal is between principle or power, I might bet on her letting Pelosi fail and choosing to become Speaker first. Predicting that politicians will choose more power over principle should be a no-brainer.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      On the other hand, all Pramila Jayapal has to do at this point is take a knee and run out the clock, and she becomes the leader of the Democrats in the House.

      I fully expect her to take over as House Majority/Minority leader (however the 2022 elections play out) when Pelosi finally hangs it up next year. When that happens, the Dems are going to fully migrate from a neoliberal ex-hippie party to a Gen-X/Millennial Marxist one.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        The Democrats in the House will become more authoritarian and more socialist as their center of gravity becomes more concentrated in deep blue districts (like those in California and New York), and I think that will hurt their national appeal in the future. If the House Democrat tent isn't big enough to appeal to openly bisexual, willing to spend $1.85 trillion on social programs and Green New Deal shit, people like Sinema, then how will they appeal to the middle class elsewhere in the country? What if the Democratic party (after the Democrats take a shellacking in the midterms) end up too far to the progressive left to be appealing to suburban working women in southern California?

        I think the flipside of that is that when the Republicans make huge gains in purple and bluish districts, the center of the Republican party itself is likely to migrate to the left. When the Democrats surrender the center left of the battle field, it becomes the Republicans' territory to defend. I have two different predictions to make with a margin for error on each side--depending on which way the budget reconciliation bill goes. If the bill succeeds, I expect the Republicans to gain 54 seats in the House in the midterms--and the Republicans will shift to the left. If the budget reconciliation bill fails, I expect the Republicans to gain 26 seats in the House.

        From a long term libertarian, capitalist, and patriotic perspective, I prefer the outcome where the budget reconciliation bill fails.

        1. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

          Agree with wanting both bills to go down in flames....and 26 seats is more than enough for the majority.

          The Senate?

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            The Senate is not as radical, and it's much trickier to predict. The same general rule applies, which is that a president's first midterm is typically a referendum on the president. And so, as Biden becomes increasingly unpopular, the better the chances are of the Republicans taking control of the Senate. Even if the Republicans take the Senate, however, they'll be subject to the same limitations in the Senate as the Democrats. They'll be hostages of moderate Republicans like Susan Collins. Sinema is probably to the right of Collins.

    2. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

      If Jayapal somehow becomes House Speaker before next year's election (which I'd be pleasantly shocked by), the GOP might gain 100+ House seats next November.

      Jayapal is a very unlikable and angry person.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        They said that about Pelosi, too, though--both are very effective at manipulating the media in to promoting their narratives, and look where we're at now as a country.

        If Jayapal takes over as the top dog, expect the media to finally become a full-blown Leninist/Maoist meta-organ.

        1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

          The news media has far less influence than people realize.

          69% of Independents think the news media is full of shit.

          https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

          Meanwhile, millennials are becoming suburbanites--just like their hippy parents and grandparents before them.

      2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        Yeah, I suspect Jayapal doesn't want to be Speaker until after the Midterms because from a historical perspective, the Republicans are likely to gain a median of 26 seats in the House in the midterms. She doesn't want to be the one to blame for that loss. Nancy Pelosi might stick it to her by resigning early, but I don't think there's anything likely to happen between now and next November to change the chances of the Democrats losing the House.

        As awful as Jayapal and the Congressional Progressive Caucus is, this bill wouldn't have made it as far as it did if she were in charge. She inspires dissent in her own party. There are only 99 Democrat House members in the Congressional Progressive Caucus, and if she were in charge, I think the other half of the Democrats might rise up against her leadership. She'd ultimately prevail in leadership, but her leadership will be able to accomplish very little.

        Maybe think of it this way: The only Senator in the Congressional Progressive Caucus ran for president in 2020, and he could only muster 27% of Democrats to support him in a state as far to the left as Massachusetts. We're talking about turning the center left into swing voters, and that's the way someone like Reagan could come along and win every state in the country except his opponent's home state of Minnesota. In short, as the Democrats move to the left, their support will dwindle.

        1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Massachusetts_Democratic_presidential_primary

          1. Minadin   4 years ago

            Man, and I thought the Republicans were supposed to be the old white farts.

            1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

              They are, and they are the only racist party. They have no problem dressing up as gorilla's to throw eggs and bananas at black polititions... O wait, yep it was deffinatly the republicans

  34. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    The word you're looking for is 'senile'.

    https://twitter.com/AP_Europe/status/1453710227585523715
    The Vatican abruptly canceled the planned live broadcast of President Joe Biden’s meeting with Pope Francis, providing no explanation for its latest limit on media coverage. The Vatican said it would provide edited footage after the encounter.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Most transparent administration ever.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      Spoiler: Joe was only there for 10 minutes, during which he shit his pants, addressed the Pope as "Her Majesty," and then fell asleep standing up.

      1. creech   4 years ago

        That, or the Pope went on a rant about the Satanic free market and accepting Marxism while Brandon nodded wisely. Or both.

    3. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      Pope-a-Dope
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/66890686@N02/51627142218/in/dateposted-public/

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      Francis probably realized he didn't need to be seen with another kiddy sniffer.

    5. Cronut   4 years ago

      The Pope shouldn't be meeting with him at all, given Brandon's support of abortion, and the fact that he's got a not unsubstantial number American Catholic bishops in near-rebellion right now.

      But Francis is less concerned with being Catholic than he is with being politically popular, so...

  35. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

    Yet another reason why the death penalty should be abolished: Its biggest defenders can't seem to do it right.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/oklahoma-lethal-drug-execution-john-marion-grant_n_617b21a1e4b066de4f6dd510

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      Also, we principled libertarians want convicted serial killers to live as long as possible so they can spend decades voting from behind bars.

      #IMissJeffreyDahmersInput

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

        I think I must have triggered OBL this morning.

    2. JesseAz   4 years ago

      You sure do choose weird sources for your only true centrist persona.

      1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

        The news I got out of that link is that it turns out, HuffPo still exists.

    3. Commenter_XY   4 years ago

      What is the problem? The murdering SOB is dead. Worked just fine.

  36. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Soooo.......

    the billionaire class wants to control all of reality, and give you a virtual reality, under their control, to live in?

    1. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

      I suppose you'll be happier in your shipping container 'pod' if you look around and see a virtual mansion.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      Yeah, I'll concede i'm not remotely tech-savvy, so I apologize if this is a stupid question but...are they trying to create the Matrix?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

        Kind of makes you wonder whether ol' Uncle Ted wasn't on to something, doesn't it?

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

      The "Meta" stands for metadata, as in, "what will the NSA continue to hoover up once this comes in to common use?"

      1. Cronut   4 years ago

        "What we will continue to collect and deliver to the feds, in exchange for favorable regulations that squash competition and allow us to remain billionaires."

  37. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/business/status/1453772598504919041

    Vaccinated people are just as likely as unvaccinated people to spread the delta variant to contacts in their household, a yearlong study found

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Better start pumping more experimental “vaccines” into kids.

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      Mask indoors. Unless you are a progressive politician.

    3. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      that's why we need vax mandates!

  38. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Racine County Sheriff announces multiple violations of election law in Wisconsin
    https://thelibertyloft.com/2021/10/28/racine-county-sheriff-announces-multiple-violations-of-election-law-in-wisconsin/
    In the report, the investigation determined that workers in long-term care facilities were told to vote for any patients who were not lucid enough to vote on their own. They were advised to do this by Wisconsin election officials.

    The investigation shows that the same direction was given all across the state of Wisconsin, resulting in widespread election law violations. In turn, there is a significant amount of election fraud that may have occurred based on the instructions provided.

    1. Cyto   4 years ago

      This is clearly Treason. Expect this sheriff to face arrest until he confesses to Trump's role in this disinformation.

  39. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

    Texas Republican wants to know if this list of subversive books are in Texas schools. And he's supposedly on the team fighting 'against indoctrination'.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2021/10/26/school-districts-under-investigation-by-texas-house-over-books-curriculum/

    The Fort Worth Republican asked school leaders to identify where copies of the listed books were located in school libraries and classrooms and the amount of money districts had spent on them.

    He also asked districts to identify any other books or content that address human sexuality, sexually transmitted diseases, or any material that “might make students feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress” because of their race or sex.

    So, books that make people feel "discomfort" are now a matter of importance to the state legislature? How is this not a repeat of ca. 2015 with the craze about 'trigger warnings' for literature in college classrooms so as not to make those librul snowflakes upset?

    1. JesseAz   4 years ago

      Are they asking private boom stores to ban the books jeff? How many of these libraries self select their limited number of books? Only the left gets a say? Do you know how stupid you sound? School libraries aren't the only source for books. Yet here you argue tax funds be spent on books you approve of while others don't. Youre such a parody at this point.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        "...Do you know how stupid you sound?..."

        You're addressing the spoiled, attention-whore, 5-year-pld at the family gathering; sounding stupid is the way he gets attention.

    2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      It's different. This is about protecting the purity of their teenagers' thoughts.

    3. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Oh wow! You found a brain-dead liberal republican who wants to censor people! How original!

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

        Authoritarians are everywhere.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Satire is lost on dummies.

        2. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

          Prominently found in your mirror.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            He doesn't support mandates!!! He just supports society excommunicating people he disagrees with through government and corporate collusion!!!

  40. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    High school principal who received lap dances from students under investigation
    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/578874-high-school-principal-who-got-lap-dances-from-students

    A Kentucky high school is being investigated after teenage boys in lingerie gave lap dances to the principal and other staff during a homecoming event on Tuesday.

    Photos on social media show male students partaking in the Hazard High School’s homecoming “man pageant” dressed in lingerie and performing dances on some male members of the staff, including the principal.

    ...In additional photos, some female students could be seen wearing Hooters outfits.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      My high school was boring.

      1. Chumby   4 years ago

        Went to training to become a well driller and that was boring too.

        1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

          Wow man, that’s deep.

          1. Chumby   4 years ago

            You know the drill…

    2. damikesc   4 years ago

      More "angry mobs" trying to stifle the fun of educators.

  41. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/27/parents-say-public-school-tied-mask-on-their-nonverbal-special-needs-child-with-rope/

    Parents Say Public School Tied Mask On Their Nonverbal Special-Needs Child With Rope
    A 7-year-old special needs girl was forced to wear a mask by her school for weeks without her parent's knowledge, at great risk to her health.

    1. Super Scary   4 years ago

      I also saw an article about teachers taping masks to students that were caught either not wearing them. Pretty crazy stuff. We're pretty close to someone making a mask that locks on for this sort of thing. Whether or not some schools would use such a terrible thing, at this point, is not clear.

      1. Moonrocks   4 years ago

        Physical punishment making a comeback.

  42. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1453912582377467909

    The Loudoun County Superintendent asked the Sheriff's office for undercover agents to track parents at school board meetings, but the Sheriff refused, saying there wasn't "any justification" for such repressive measures.

    1. Overt   4 years ago

      SEE! This is why we need the FBI involved! Local authorities won't crack down hard enough!

    2. Super Scary   4 years ago

      Looking over that letter, it sounds like they wanted like 20 or 30 people to oversee security at their meetings? Seems a bit excessive. I am glad the sheriff nixed that request, but I have the feeling that superintendent is just going to try and go over the sheriff's head.

      1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

        If the Clinton's bagman wins on Tuesday, expect the state police.

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      You know, the board might need to learn that parents can express their disdain in polite ways...or in extremely impolite ways. Seems impolite might be a needed option.

  43. NoVaNick   4 years ago

    Our cleaning lady just asked me out of the blue who I was voting for for Virginia governor. We have never talked politics before so I was kind of surprised Turns out a friend of my wife’s who she also works for told her to vote for McAsshole, so she did. She said she didn’t know anything about him but just voted fo him because this other lady told her to. Goes to show you how much team blue depends on the ignorance of voters, especially those of color ( our cleaning lady is Hispanic). Not to mention that it’s not very professional or ethical to tell someone who works for you who to vote for.

    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      "Goes to show you how much team blue depends on the ignorance of voters..."

      LOL, now do Team Red.

      1. NoVaNick   4 years ago

        There are plenty of ignorant team red voters too, but I have never heard of anyone on team red being so shameless in telling them who to vote for.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 years ago

          Have you heard of Facebook?

          1. NoVaNick   4 years ago

            Sorry, but posting something on FB is quite different from personally telling someone who works for you to go vote for your preferred candidate. FB is not a human.

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              You're dealing with the 5YO attention-whore here.

        2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          You must be kidding. You are seriously trying to say that nobody on Team Read has been shameless in telling others to vote for Trump? What planet?

          1. NoVaNick   4 years ago

            I never said team red doesn’t do such things.

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          Note the liberaltarian simps are in high dudgeon once again because their lefty boos look bad in this situation.

          1. JesseAz   4 years ago

            Didn't those ignorant dummies yell whataboutism everytike blm riots were brought up?

    2. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      Leftists don't care about professionalism or ethics, they have a religion to proselytize.

  44. Sevo   4 years ago

    "Oil giants deny spreading disinformation on climate change"
    [...]
    "“Do you agree that (climate change) is an existential threat? Yes or no?" Maloney asked Shell Oil President Gretchen Watkins..."
    https://journalstar.com/business/exxon-ceo-denies-spreading-disinformation-on-climate-change/article_3bf0e1bf-98ad-5800-87bb-65621a32248d.html

    If you're not screaming and shouting, you're 'spreading misinformation'!
    Pretty sure there is an A1 still attached to the constitution, even if the Ds don't like it one bit.

    1. NoVaNick   4 years ago

      This fits with the progressive pattern of shaking down industries they don’t like to get huge payouts for lawyers and NGOs, er I mean social justice.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        Read "Winners, Losers & Microsoft...", Margolis, Liebowitz.
        Prior to the anti-trust case, Microsoft had nearly no presence in DC; changed pretty rapidly thereafter.
        No record of anything as crude as bags of cash, but if your ne're-do-well nephew is now pulling in some dough, you probably start saying nice things about MS, no?

        1. Overt   4 years ago

          And when Microsoft realized how they play the game, what was their punishment for anti-trust actions that allegedly pushed competitors out of the market? They had to donate their software to schools around the country...pushing competitors out of the market.

          1. Sevo   4 years ago

            And had they done that without government backing, they'd have been hauled before a judge, charged with anti-trust regulations!

          2. LibertyWeeb   4 years ago

            And of course they've now integrated their browser into their OS in a totally irritating and anticompetitive way, and for some reason nobody in antitrust bats an eye.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      Outside of certain contexts, there's no legal obligation to be correct. The federal government is not the arbiter of truth.

    3. Zeb   4 years ago

      And apparently you can't question the "existential threat". Which seems absurd. Sure, climate change (whatever the cause) could make things difficult for some people in some circumstances. But claiming it is a threat to the existence of human civilization seems ridiculously over the top.

      1. Overt   4 years ago

        This is the stolen base that people take all the time. When you pin one of these activist scientists down under sworn testimony, they will be very specific about the limits of the danger, and how many unknowns there are. Then everyone will sit idly by (including those scientists) and nod along as Gore or Gretta scream about the end of life as we know it.

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          "This is the stolen base that people take all the time..."

          Yes, an attempt to influence the argument by defining the terms.

  45. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://smile.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0714873349/reasonmagazinea-20/

    The concept of eating insects has taken off in recent years in the West, with media coverage ranging from sensationalist headlines to passionate press pieces about the economic benefits. Yet little has been written about how they taste, how diverse they are as ingredients, and how to prepare them as food. On Eating Insects is the first book to take a holistic look at the subject, presenting essays on the cultural, political, and ecological significance of eating insects, alongside stories from the field, tasting notes, and recipes by the Nordic Food Lab.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Did you know you can make an “apple” pie out of crackers?

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      So insects and soy for the prols, and I'm 1000% sure our superiors will totally give up real meat and produce.

  46. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

    Potatus is negotiating to compensate illegal alien border jumper families for separations, up to 450 grand per kid.
    https://news.yahoo.com/biden-admin-may-pay-millions-213503456.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

  47. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    "All Pramila Jayapal has to do at this point is take a knee and run out the clock, and she becomes the leader of the Democrats in the House."

    Let me elaborate. There are two deadlines of note. One of them is more concrete than the other.

    1) There's a vague deadline for Congress to go home and campaign and fund raise over the holidays.

    Their primary contenders and their opponents from the other party are our raising money, earning endorsements, and proverbially kissing babies back in their home districts. They need to go home and work if they want to keep their seats in the midterms. They usually take the month of August off to do precisely that, but they didn't this year because they were so involved with Biden's budget reconciliation bill. If the budget reconciliation bill isn't done in a couple of weeks, they might as well forget it.

    2) The other deadline is December 4th, which is when the government runs out of room on the debt ceiling again.

    McConnell has publicly stated that he will not help the Democrats raise the debt ceiling again if they fail to do so without the Republicans before December 4th. I don't believe him because I have any faith whatsoever in McConnell, but I don't think McConnell could muster the ten Republican senators necessary to clear the filibuster threshold next time. If the Democrats are forced to choose between passing the budget reconciliation bill or raising the debt ceiling without it come December 4th, I'd expect them to raise the debt ceiling without it.

    The chances of the Democrats passing a controversial Green New Deal/Socialist bill in an election year, after December, is practically nil. I don't see any reason why Manchin and Sinema would cave between now and December. It isn't as if Biden were becoming more popular by the day and they were becoming more unpopular in their home states for opposing the budget reconciliation bill. And all Jayapal needs to do to become Speaker or minority leader is hold up the infrastructure bill and burn out the clock. When Pelosi fails, Jayapal wins.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

      I'd advise Jayapal, don't count your chickens... but I'm hoping she tanks Biden's agenda and then loses the leadership position because the Establishment and possibly some progs blame her for the midterm bloodbath that the Dems seem to be headed for (though her winning could also be a win, given how terrible she seems to plays the game).

  48. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/themood2020/status/1454005852201963521

    From adverts to articles they’re getting you ready to believe a new age of heart attacks and cardiac issues is normal in young people and always has been.

  49. Super Scary   4 years ago

    "McDonald's will raise menu prices to offset rising supply costs and more expensive labor, The Wall Street Journal reports"

    Also, it's 6 bucks for a "hot and ready" at Little Caesars now instead of 5. These are truly dark times. Nothing is sacred.

    1. Fats of Fury   4 years ago

      Dollar stores are also raising prices over a dollar. How long before a government agency sues them for misleading information of their name?

    2. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      Don't worry, there is no inflation, and any inflation there is is just transitory, and it will all be over by next year, and in any case inflation is actually good.

      1. Moonrocks   4 years ago

        Oh, and I forgot, inflation is a good thing but you should lower your expectations anyway, did you really need all that material wealth to begin with?

        1. Cronut   4 years ago

          They problem is demand is so high because of the incredible economic recovery and people are just buying too much stuff, so there are bottle necks from people buying too much stuff which is making prices go up. Stop buying stuff.

  50. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    Woke Twix Ad Appears To Promote Violence Against People Who Disagree with Transgenderism
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/10/28/woke-twix-ad-appears-to-promotes-violence-against-people-who-disagree-with-transgenderism-n1527650

    A new Halloween ad sponsored by Twix candy bars not only features a boy wearing a dress but also appears to imply that violence against people who disagree with transgenderism is okay.

    The ad starts with the boy in his home, wearing a princess dress, as a new nanny arrives who’s dressed in all black and looks like a witch. The boy is then seen being taunted by neighborhood girls who ask him why he’s all dressed up when it isn’t even Halloween yet.

    Later, the boy and the nanny are at the park, where the boy is further subjected to mocking by older boys who laugh because he’s dressed “like a girl.”

    “Dressing like this makes me feel good,” the cross-dressing boy retorts. The older boy says the dress-wearing boy and his nanny “look weird.”

    “Boys don’t wear dresses” the bully insists.

    At this point, the goth nanny uses her magic powers to blow the older boy away in a windstorm.

    1. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      Crazy way to sell candy bars.

      1. Overt   4 years ago

        I didn't even see a candy bar in the ad.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          Perhaps it is hidden twixt the children’s fingers.

          1. NoVaNick   4 years ago

            I overheard some progs discussing the other day how they personally disagree that kids younger than 12 or 13 can know they are gay or transgender, they will never publicly says such things though.

          2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

            Left + right = zero

  51. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

    "The package would include about $555 billion for combatting climate change"

    No, the bill wastes >$500 Billion to further subsidize wind and solar energy, which will benefit Chinese manufacturers of solar panels and wind turbines, further increase prices in the US for oil, gasoline and natural gas, and doing very little, if anything, to reduce global carbon emissions.

    Boehm should actually read bills instead of repeating propaganda by left wing China loving Democrats.

    1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      It's a really sad state of affairs, when limiting the damage to $555 billion in pork is good news.

      For goodness' sake, TARP was only $700 billion, and we're still feeling the political effects of the opposition to it passing.

      If the Democrats pass the budget reconciliation bill, against 100% Republican opposition, they'll be crushed in 2022.

      1. Cyto   4 years ago

        I remember a quaint time when we passed actual budgets and debated spending proposals...

    2. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

      "The package would include . . . . $400 billion for child care"

      No, the proposed bill would include $400 billion to further encourage American girls and women to have more babies out-of-wedlock (fatherless children), and to make single mothers and financially struggling families even more dependent upon Big Brother (a strategy deployed by Democrats for six decades to win elections).

      1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

        That's not exactly true. The problem is that government regulations have made child care ridiculously expensive. The solution is not to relax regulations and allow more freedom. Nope. The solution is to subsidize child care. And not just for low income folks.

        It's the typical story of government fucking something up and then throwing money at it to make it even worse.

        1. Zeb   4 years ago

          And made it either too expensive or socially unacceptable for one parent to take care of children even when two are present. People can do what they want with their lives, and many families do need two incomes to maintain the lifestyle they are accustomed to, but I think it's a sad thing that taking care of your own children isn't much of a priority for many people.

          1. sarcasmic   4 years ago

            Daycare isn't always a terrible idea. For kids without siblings it can be great for social interaction. Good daycares even teach some of the preschool basics. They've got playgrounds for exercise.

            The problem is all the arbitrary rules and regulations that make it stupid expensive. Staff to child ratios, licensing, and who knows what else.

            1. NoVaNick   4 years ago

              The good news is that millennials/ gen Y/Z aren’t even making babies much anymore-the birth rate is half of what it was 50 years ago. So we will pay for all this wonderful child care for children who don’t even exist. Typical govt stupidity

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

                The good news is that millennials/ gen Y/Z aren’t even making babies much anymore-the birth rate is half of what it was 50 years ago.

                50 years ago, a LOT more women were housewives, not pursuing professional careers.

    3. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

      He could at least put "combatting climate change" in quotes.

  52. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1454087516110348290

    The
    @POTUS
    motorcade in Rome consists of 85 vehicles, according to radio pool reporter
    @scottdetrow
    .

    1. Ra's al Gore   4 years ago

      Biden brought 800 staffers.

      1. creech   4 years ago

        I hope at least one of them was there to whisper "You are not a God" in Brandon's ear.

        1. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

          +1 Triumph

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      The carbon footprint of this must be yuge.

      1. damikesc   4 years ago

        To once again paraphrase Glenn Reynolds "I'll buy this as a crisis when the people who say it is a crisis act like it is a crisis"

  53. Alan Vanneman   4 years ago

    Here's a newsflash, Eric. The used car market isn't "insane", right now. It's reflective of something called the law of supply and demand. You should look it up.

    1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      OMG, anything to signal to others in the clib by criticizing Reason. You think he doesn’t know why it’s “insane”?

      1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        club

      2. Claptrap   4 years ago

        Is this really your first time seeing Vanneman poke his head out? I thought you claimed to be some kind of lifer.

        Hint: he's not on "the Club's" side.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

          The exceptional dipshit has muted so many people in his pathetic attempt to preserve his hugbox, that he's mostly just seeing people now who tend to chime in at the tail end of threads.

  54. Agammamon   4 years ago

    When you're up against the wire and you're about to lose everything, *why not lie your arse off*?

    I mean, it can't make things worse and who's ever lost out under-estimating human stupidity? Its how spam works, after all.

  55. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

    I posted this above in a thread, but I am going to repost it.

    I found out a friend died of COVID pneumonia on Tuesday. He was in great physical shape, a police officer in Beaverton, OR, and he was vaccinated.

    His death is of course anecdotal, but there is a great big lie about the efficacy of these vaccines that will come to light in the years ahead. This pandemic and its 'final solution' have been a ruse to undermine liberties we will never get back.

    Trump is a dumbass. He proved to be incompetent at rooting out corruption in the federal government his first 3 years and then stood by dumbfounded as the CDC lied and justified lockdowns and mandates. His messaging was terrible and his verbal diarrhea was capitalized upon by media sycophants sworn to the Democrat party. He clearly had no control over the DoJ. Cuomo should have been behind bars instead of publishing books about his leadership.

    And yet, the Democrats in control now are so much worse. They facilitate every lie and obfuscate every truth about COVID.

    We seem to know less today the we did 18 months ago about COVID. Where are the therapeutic treatments? The Spanish flu pandemic was 3 times as deadly as COVID, but very few people die of it now, not because of a vaccine, but because the symptoms are easily mitigated. They cut every corner for these shitty vaccines that will now be forced on kids, but healthy vaccinated people are dying from pneumonia.

    Anyone who believes the federal government is doing anything for the 'public good' is a fucking idiot. It is a kaiju that consumes money and blood and shits out Chinese cargo containers.

    1. BrianGaunt   4 years ago

      Chuck it’s me Brian! I’m burning in hell! Turns out we were wrong! We were so wrong!

      Turns out our bigoted, backwards beliefs get us a one way ticket to eternal damnation.

      Please tell my cunt wife this is all her fault! Also her father says hi! Tell my kids to leave that evil church and treat others like you want to be treated. Even if they’re non-white, non-Christian, or LGTBQ.

      If you’re wondering there is internet in hell, but we can only access evil sites. So Reason, storefront, and LDS Blogs.

      1. BrianGaunt   4 years ago

        *stormfront

        Boy I’ll never hear the end of that

      2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

        That's on me. I gave enough info find an obituary.

        KAR is really pissed today because he embarrassed himself so badly last night.

        https://reason.com/2021/10/28/after-paid-leave-plan-gets-chopped-biden-promises-revamped-spending-proposal/?comments=true#comment-9181175

        I do pity the creep. The efforts to which he goes to torment a complete stranger on the internet speaks to a profound humiliation in the past that still haunts him. He doesn't realize that having self-esteem means he can't actually hurt my feelings and I hate to think he would escalate to hurting people physically.

        It's all a joke, little buddy. If you can't learn to laugh at your own embarrassment, your anger will drive others away. Please get some help.

        1. Chumby   4 years ago

          Someone that would waste their time and energy to be so crude doesn’t value themselves. Your friend accomplished more in his limited time than KAR could in multiple lives. I have pity for the troubled one.

        2. SaveAllRednecks   4 years ago

          I wouldn’t hurt anyone. I’m not a monster.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 years ago

            The fact that you feel compelled to tell me, a complete stranger you profess to hate that you are a good person; that you are kind to people; that you wouldn't hurt anyone; that you are not a monster; points to the fact that those things don't come naturally to you.

            I told you above that Brian didn't die alone or afraid. You may want to work on figuring out how to avoid that for yourself.

            1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

              He's my only non-spam blocked user.

            2. SaveAllRednecks   4 years ago

              Oh you misunderstood.

              I was contrasting me(a good person) with you(a horrible person).

              I don’t need the approval of strangers on the internet or random Mormons to feel good about myself.

          2. Weigel's Cock Ring   4 years ago

            Did you actually create a new account that you'll probably never even use again after today for nothing other than the sole purpose of taunting Chuck P. over the death of his friend?

            You are one sorry ass motherfucker buddy.

          3. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            Wow! There's been a lot of sorry trolls and sick pieces of shit here, but you fucking take the cake.

            I think we need to find out who's running the KAR sock in real life.

        3. Hank Ferrous   4 years ago

          I find it unlikely that there was any humiliation or trauma of any sort in its pathetic life. It's more likely that it believes that this is the case, and thus the shitty behavior. This same low intellect and self-centeredness is fairly common with its in-group.

        4. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          I do pity the creep."

          I don't pity the creep. I want to hunt him down and kick him in the teeth. I'm not kidding around or playing internet tough guy either.
          This sick piece of shit crossed a line that I've never seen crossed before.

      3. Super Scary   4 years ago

        This is in pretty bad taste.

    2. I, Woodchipper   4 years ago

      It was built in a lab by chinese military scientists funded with MY tax dollars and designed to wipe out all the sick and infirm and old.

      I'd stake my net worth on that.

  56. Cronut   4 years ago

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/jen-psaki-faults-americans-spending-habits-for-economic-woes-root-cause-of-supply-chain-problems/

    Jenny says supply chain issues are because too many people are buying things online.

    So if Christmad doesn't come this year, it's your own fault.

    1. Moonrocks   4 years ago

      At some point, one has to believe that they're not lying with the expectation that they're fooling anyone, but that they're lying so that they can laugh at their cocktail parties about how they're pissing on the peasants.

      1. Cronut   4 years ago

        I think it's just desperate flailing. It reminds me of my 10 year old, grasping for any excuse so she won't get in trouble. If it wasn't so dire, it would be funny.

    2. Don't look at me!   4 years ago

      TOO MUCH PSPENDING!

    3. Weigel's Cock Ring   4 years ago

      That WAS the leftie bullshit talking point, until the grim economic news came out yesterday that both consumer spending and the general economy took a real beating in the quarter that just ended a few weeks ago:

      https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/28/us-gross-domestic-product-increases-at-2point0percent-annualized-pace-in-q3-vs-2point8percent-estimate.html

      Nope, it turns out that Americans buying too much Chinese garbage is not in fact what's causing this Biden-esque fiasco our economy is in.

  57. Bill Godshall   4 years ago

    Trump impeacher Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) announced he won't run for his House seat again next year.
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/10/29/kinzinger-out-n2598245

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   4 years ago

      You can't fire me, I quit!

    2. Chumby   4 years ago

      Those afflicted with TDS should shelter in place so it makes sense.

    3. damikesc   4 years ago

      I love that he sucked up to the Dems so hard...and they still fucked him.

  58. TJJ2000   4 years ago

    Wait a minute.....

    Where did "The People" give the Union of State's Government authority to *pretend* to change the climate and subsidize day-care??

    Ya; F-OFF you treasonous Nazi's (accryn; National Socialists).

  59. Liberty Lover   4 years ago

    Promises To Do Everything but Still Cost Nothing
    Just shows you how stupid the average liberal Democratic voter really is today.
    And don't think billionaire will be paying for it. If you confiscated the wealth of every billionaire it would barely be over Biden's bill.
    U.S. Billionaire Wealth Surges Past $1 Trillion Since Beginning of Pandemic — Total Grows to $4 Trillion

    Top 25 Billionaires.
    1 Elon Musk Increase188.6 Tesla, Inc., SpaceX 50
    2 Jeff Bezos Increase187 Amazon 57
    3 Bill Gates Increase129 Microsoft 65
    4 Mark Zuckerberg Increase105 Facebook 36
    5 Warren Buffett Decrease87.5 Berkshire Hathaway 90
    6 Larry Ellison Increase77.9 Oracle Corporation 76
    7 Steve Ballmer Increase69 Microsoft 64
    8 Larry Page Increase75.7 Google 47
    9 Sergey Brin Increase65.7 Google 47
    10 Alice Walton Increase62.3 Walmart 70
    11 Jim Walton Increase70.2 Walmart 72
    12 Rob Walton Increase61.8 Walmart 75
    13 MacKenzie Scott Increase57 Amazon 50
    14 Michael Bloomberg Increase55 Bloomberg L.P. 78
    15 Charles Koch Increase45 Koch Industries 84
    16 Julia Koch Increase45 Koch Industries 58
    17 Phil Knight Increase39.2 Nike, Inc. 82
    18 Michael Dell Increase35.6 Dell 55
    19 Sheldon Adelson Decrease29.8 Las Vegas Sands 87
    20 Jacqueline Mars Decrease29 Mars, Incorporated 80
    21 John Franklyn Mars Decrease29 Mars, Incorporated 84
    22 Len Blavatnik Increase25 Access Industries 63
    23 Jim Simons Increase23.5 Renaissance Technologies 82
    24 Stephen A. Schwarzman Increase19.1 Blackstone Group 73
    25 Leonard Lauder Decrease17.4 Estée Lauder Companies 83

    If you notice about only the two Walton's are Republicans. Charles Koch switched parties as he was not getting his own way, and his sister was always a Democrat. It seems Democrats know which side their bread is butter on, and it is the Democratic party speading the butter. They will not anger those huge re-election donors.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      The two Walton's are David Frum-type Republicans. They want a free-market, but that's about it.

    2. SaveAllRednecks   4 years ago

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/12/04/sheldon-adelson-poured-another-35-million-into-pro-trump-and-gop-super-pacs-in-final-weeks-before-election/?sh=1ca8349c69b3

      https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/04/16/phil-knight-jumps-into-oregons-hotly-contested-second-congressional-district-gop-primary/

  60. firstksa   4 years ago

    High water bill solution

    Detection of water leaks in Riyadh
    https://bayutksa.com/
    https://bayutksa.com/

  61. Tony   4 years ago

    The answer to all of your very sincere questions is Joe Manchin. He's the lone holdout of an ideology that government spending must be offset with taxes, so that's what they're doing, and the final bill is planned to raise $200 billion above what's spent for deficit reduction, so it's a very fiscally conservative bill. This is nothing new for Democrats, who always have "pay fors," and is only alien to Republicans, who explode the deficit every time they get their grubby hands on it.

    You might be upset that some of the country's resources are going toward childcare instead of billionaire space dildos, but we all have our moral priorities.

    1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

      Do you think politician *created* "some of the country's resources"?

      1. Tony   4 years ago

        Nope, that was God. Now tell me why Elon Musk deserves to possess so much of it instead of hungry children.

        1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

          Funny how the left generally likes to insists there isn't a God until it becomes useful then want's to pretend every resource you can buy was created by God.

          I guess you better ask God if he will provide your child-care.
          Good-luck.

          Or perhaps your just shortening your real opinion from Gov-Gods to just God. Then I'd say tell me why Gov-Gods deserves 33% of the entire USA landmass of resources via the FLPMA Act over it's own hungry children.

        2. TJJ2000   4 years ago

          Now tell me why Elon Musk deserves to possess so much?
          Obviously he did something to *EARN* it that YOU didn't do.

          1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

            Unless that *something* is armed THEFT....

            Ya know that thing you compulsively WANT, CRY FOR, MAKE EXCUSES FOR, BEG FOR, and PRETEND the whole world is going to end if you don't get to live off of armed THEFT.

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