A Federal Judge Lets a Cruise Line Require Proof of Vaccination, Saying a Florida Law Banning the Practice Is Probably Unconstitutional

Gov. Ron DeSantis' embrace of the law contradicts his avowed commitment to economic freedom.


Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who described his state as "an oasis of freedom" at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in February, brags that he has been "creating a resilient business-friendly environment" with "low taxes" and "decreased regulation." Those avowed commitments are plainly at odds with a law the Republican governor signed in May, which prohibits businesses from requiring proof of COVID-19 vaccination from customers as a condition of entry or service. Yesterday a federal judge highlighted that contradiction by issuing a preliminary injunction blocking enforcement of Florida's law against Norwegian Cruise Line, freeing the company to require vaccine documentation from passengers when it resumes service in Florida later this month.

Facing potential penalties of $5,000 per passenger, Norwegian sued Florida Surgeon General Scott Rivkees, who runs the state Department of Health, the agency charged with enforcing the ban. The company argued that Florida's law, which codified and expanded an executive order that DeSantis issued on April 2, violated the First Amendment by imposing content-based restrictions on speech; ran afoul of the Dormant Commerce Clause by imposing unjustified burdens on interstate and international commerce; and was preempted by cruise ship guidelines issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). U.S. District Judge Kathleen Williams concluded that Norwegian was likely to prevail on the first two claims while postponing assessment of the third claim.

Williams' 59-page order emphasizes the challenges that companies like Norwegian face as they try to restart cruises while minimizing the risk of COVID-19 transmission and reassuring customers who are worried about that danger:

During the early days of the pandemic, major COVID-19 outbreaks occurred on the cruise ships Diamond Princess and Grand Princess….Even with precautions, cruising raises unique risks of COVID-19 outbreaks, concerns that are now heightened due to the Delta Variant. Cruise ships involve the movement of a large volume of individuals in close quarters for days and weeks and present many opportunities for person-to-person contact in crowded or indoor settings, such as group and buffet dining, entertainment events, and excursions. Ship cabins are small, increasing the risk of transmission between cabinmates. Similarly, the crew typically live and eat in small congregate places. In addition, once a cruise concludes, passengers may engage in air transportation or other types of common transports to return home. Consequently, infected passengers who disembark and return to their communities could occasion further widespread transmission and possibly "super spreader" events.

Cruise lines also have to comply with complicated and changeable COVID-19 regulations at multiple ports in both foreign countries and U.S. possessions, many of which require testing or quarantine for unvaccinated visitors. And while a federal judge blocked enforcement of the CDC's cruise ship rules in June after concluding that they likely exceeded the agency's statutory authority, companies like Norwegian are still committed to following the CDC's guidelines.

Given these considerations, it is not hard to understand why Norwegian decided that requiring proof of vaccination from passengers was the most cost-effective way to resume cruises, although other companies have adopted different approaches. Carnival, for instance, requires that at least 95 percent of passengers be vaccinated, allowing exceptions only when they are consistent with that target. "Cruise lines that do allow unvaccinated passengers onboard require them to comply with additional restrictions and requirements," Williams notes. "For instance, companies have required unvaccinated guests to purchase traveler's insurance, take additional COVID-19 tests during the cruise at their own expense, and comply with restrictions regarding access to venues, events, and excursions."

Norwegian's policy avoids the need to police unvaccinated passengers' behavior, streamlines compliance with local regulations, and offers an appealing option for customers who are worried about the risk of COVID-19 outbreaks, including vaccinated passengers whose immune responses may be compromised by preexisting medical conditions. Williams cites surveys finding that "only 50 percent of respondents [were] confident that the cruise industry can reopen safely coming out of the pandemic" and that "80 percent of respondents would prefer to sail on a cruise with a vaccine requirement." But Florida has decreed that such requirements are illegal when they involve mandatory documentation, regardless of what customers want and regardless of what businesses decide is the most sensible policy.

Florida argued that its ban regulates conduct rather than speech. Williams disagreed, citing several Supreme Court precedents dealing with commercial speech, including a 2011 decision that overturned Vermont's ban on using prescriber-specific information from pharmacies for marketing purposes. Every justice in the Court's "conservative" wing joined that decision, reflecting their general suspicion of commercial speech restrictions—another traditionally Republican position that DeSantis has abandoned.

Williams is "skeptical" that Norwegian's demand for proof of vaccination counts as commercial speech, since it "does not relate 'solely' to an economic interest." Norwegian "submitted evidence showing that it had non-economic justifications for requiring the documentation, including to prevent a COVID-19 outbreak aboard its ships and the communities where it travels." Furthermore, "unlike advertising or marketing, these [vaccination] documents do not propose a commercial transaction."

Even assuming that Florida's law is a regulation of commercial speech, which under current case law triggers less scrutiny than restrictions on other kinds of communication, the statute still has to "directly and materially advance" a "substantial government interest," and it cannot be "more extensive than is necessary to serve that interest." Williams thinks Florida has failed to satisfy that test, which the U.S. Supreme Court established in the 1980 case Central Hudson Gas & Electric v. Public Service Commission of New York.

Florida argues that its law is necessary to protect "medical privacy" and prevent "discrimination" against unvaccinated people. "Defendant has presented no evidence to demonstrate that his asserted interests are in response to real problems that Florida residents are actually facing," Williams writes. "There is no evidentiary support to show that residents have experienced intrusions on their medical privacy or discrimination because some businesses, including cruise lines, have required COVID-19 vaccination documentation. The legislative record cited by Defendant is bereft of any facts or data underpinning the Statute's purported purpose."

Assuming that Florida is addressing actual problems, Williams says, its law is not properly tailored to do so. She notes that Florida has not actually banned discrimination against unvaccinated people: Its law allows cruise lines to serve only passengers who say they have been vaccinated, provided the companies do not require documentation. The statute does not apply to employees, so it allows businesses to require that their workers present proof of COVID-19 vaccination. And despite the state's avowed concern about privacy, businesses are still free to demand other kinds of medical information from their customers, including "COVID-19 test results, hospital records, other vaccination records, [and] information regarding exposure to third parties with COVID-19." Nor did legislators consider alternative ways to protect medical privacy, such as regulations regarding the retention, copying, or dissemination of vaccination records.

Williams also concludes that Florida has not shown that its interference with interstate and international commerce is justified by "local benefits," as required by the Dormant Commerce Clause, a doctrine aimed at protecting federal authority in this area. "In his brief, three-paragraph response to Plaintiffs' dormant Commerce Clause argument, Defendant fails to specifically articulate any local purpose that justifies the Statute's alleged burdens on interstate commerce," she writes.

Assuming that the "local purpose" is the same as the rationale that Florida cited in response to Norwegian's First Amendment claim (protection against discrimination and invasion of medical privacy), Williams says, that argument fails in this context for the same reasons. "Defendant cites to no relevant authority to support his claim that these objectives constitute legitimate state interests," she writes. "Furthermore [Florida's law] does not actually advance the objectives of protecting 'medical privacy' and [preventing] 'discrimination' against unvaccinated individuals in any meaningful way."

Williams says Florida's "purported desire to protect medical privacy" is inconsistent with its "failure to regulate employers, COVID-19 test results, and other medical documentation—including documentary proof-of-vaccination requirements for schoolchildren." And she again notes that the statute does not actually forbid discrimination against unvaccinated people, since "cruise lines have adopted measures and practices that differentiate between vaccinated and unvaccinated passengers." Those measures and practices, such as limiting the movement of unvaccinated passengers and requiring them to undergo repeated COVID-19 tests at more than $100 a pop, remain legal under Florida's statute.

Constitutional issues aside, DeSantis' embrace of Florida's law is hard to reconcile with his professed desire to create a "business-friendly environment" featuring "decreased regulation." At CPAC, DeSantis declared that "every Floridian has a right to earn a living and all businesses have a right to operate." Apparently DeSantis respects that right only when businesses operate the way he thinks they should.

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  1. It’s fine, we’ll just hear about another covid outbreak on a 100% vaccinated ship.

    Maybe then you’ll understand the jab doesn’t stop the virus from spreading.

    1. In California, 70% of adults are vaccinated, and 99% of those hospitalized with COVID-19 now are unvaccinated. So the vaccine makes you about 230 times safer.

      Mask mandates, on the other hand, have had very little demonstrable effect.

      1. That is completely false. Simply the way we count ‘covid hospitalizations’ ensures that many vaxxed people will count. Like the 30% of hospitalizations that are pregnant women.

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      2. Very few asymptomatic people get tested after vaccination, per CDC guidelines.

        Everyone boarding the cruise ship could be actively infected and with the vaccine paperwork, none would get tested until half the ship drops dead.

    2. Since they are encoding DNA if someone takes the VAXX arent they now a human GMO.

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    3. You know, if you weren’t a jackass you’d understand it’s to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed with anti-vax idiots who are taking up precious resources.

      Maybe that’s more important than catching it and getting over it.

      1. Not killing yourself is selfish and risks overwhelming the hospital

  2. Democrat Reason is picking on Republicans again! Time for the Trumpistas to have a collective ‘Waaaaaaaaahhh!’

    1. Go bake them a Hitler cake.

    2. DeSantis should have only limited government institutions in FL from creating mask or vaccine mandates. He should have left businesses alone, and let them decide what kind of safety protocols they want on their property. Then back it up, by removing people who violate the business’s safety rules for trespass.

      The key thing is to prohibit government mandates. People, and the free market, will figure out how to satisfy customers best.

      1. The key thing is to fight totalitarianism, by any means necessary.

        1. By attacking private businesses and property rights? That’s an interesting libertarian take.

          1. It’s because Nardz isn’t a libertarian but a big government trying and failing to cosplay as one.

    3. Did you have spurned advances or something there sarcasmic? Because it seems like, regardless of need or value to current conversation, you are constantly bringing up Trump. More so than anyone else by a long shot.

      But I get it….it’s painful losing someone you love so much. I’m very sorry you had to go through this with Trump, but I promise you there are other open possibilities that will make you just as happy. It may not seem like that right now, but in time, you’ll be able to see it as well.

      Between now and the time you reach acceptance that Trump doesn’t like you nearly as much as you like him, could you please just not bring him up at all? It’ll be both helpful to the conversations as well as helpful to yourself and your ongoing mental health.

  3. Meanwhile the CDC gave a middle finger to the SCOTUS and continues a nation-wide eviction moratorium.

    1. Always here to remind all the Trump fans the eviction moratorium was started by an executive order from Donald Trump.

      1. Why are you obsessed with Diane?

        Could it be youre a schill who identifies him as one of the most respected posters on this site, and thus are paid to try throwing mud at him?

        Because you’re clearly a stalker, a creep, a moron, a piece of shit, a stupid cunt, and a probably paid schill. If you aren’t paid and just do this from your own internal sense of duty to Marxists, then you’re that much more pathetic. Which is highly believable.

      2. So, the fact that the new administration does the same thing as the old administration is once again a defense? Not when Trump was president, obviously. But now?

      3. It was wrong when HE did it, too. But at least it was an attempt at relief for people being forced out of wages because Democrat governors shut down their entire states.

        But that’s not the case anymore. Businesses are open and looking for employees. They are suffering a labor shortage. Maybe eviction moratoriums are the wrong policy to get people back to work. But that’s not what Biden wants, is it.

    2. They gave the middle finger to the Minority and the Kavanaugh concurring opinion bull shit dicta, which they are free to do. Majority decisions/opinions are binding. Kavanaugh’s obvious and predictable blunder of a concurring opinion is not binding precedent. And bizarrely, since this was a denial of request to lift stay and Kavanaugh screwed the pooch, we don’t even have an opinion articulating why the Moratorium is not legal pursuant to the legal bases it cites for its authority (42 USC 264, 42 CFR 70.2, et seq). Just a bunch of ill-informed idiots who don’t realize that 4 minority votes and a concurring opinion shit storm of dicta does not a binding precedent make.

  4. Its interesting that the judge found it a restriction on speech in violation of the First Amendment

    Seems like it creates a double-edged sword to cut down the government mandating that business require vaccination as compelled speech

  5. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who described his state as “an oasis of freedom” at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in February, brags that he has been “creating a resilient business-friendly environment” with “low taxes” and “decreased regulation.” Those avowed commitments are plainly at odds with a law the Republican governor signed in May, which prohibits businesses from requiring proof of COVID-19 vaccination from customers as a condition of entry or service.


    1. Reason Magazine: freedom = slavery

  6. My Covid-19 Vaccination Record Card says it’s from the CDC. Are you sure it’s unconstitutional for a state to protect its people from discrimination based on some certification process implemented by a federal government agency like the CDC?

    Using private property rights as an excuse to restrict liberty doesn’t help preserve private property rights. It leads people who care about liberty to see private property rights as an infringement on their liberty.

    If a state passed a law that it made it illegal for private companies to discriminate against immigrant applicants for employment from using E-Verify, would that be unconstitutional, too? What if a state decided that it was illegal for a private company to require BATF approval for suppressor sales?

    1. Obfuscate the point harder, otherwise you may look like a giant hypocrite only defending *certain* property right.

      1. Those aren’t rhetorical questions. If you have reasonable answers, I’d like to see them.

        1. Private businesses look at government-issued documents all the time: driver’s licenses and IDs.

          1. Just change your name to facepalm next white knight. You’re a fucking dunce.

            1. Wait, Mike provided a reasonable argument and that was your response?

              1. Mike is referring to State IDs, not federal ones. And in case you’re unaware, the federal government is responsible for ensuring federal regulations/IDs are followed. They cannot compel states to do so.

        2. If you have a reasonable argument, I’d like to see it.

          1. If a state prohibits private employers from using Homeland Security’s E-Verify system to discriminate against applicants on the basis of their immigration status, is that unconstitutional?

            If so, why?

            That question has been sitting there all this time. Go ahead and answer it.

            1. It may violate the state Constitution depending upon which state we’re discussing, but I don’t think it should be viewed as federally unconstitutional.

              Now I’m sure I’m wrong for some legal reason I’m unaware of, but would love to learn about so….. what I’d do wrong?

  7. Absolutely anything in the name of health and safety. Is this seriously the line Reason is adopting? Fuck you guys. I miss the days before Trump broke all of your brains.

    1. Property rights, ever heard of them? They have the right to give or withhold services. You have no right to those services. Don’t want to get vaccinated, then don’t go on a cruise.

      1. should be vaccinated for like eleven million things if ever set foot on a cruise as it is.

        1. Gonna need a bigger needle

        2. You realize you made an argument for requiring COVID vaccinations for cruises, don’t you? Cruises are cesspools of germs.

            1. Lol

              White Mike always here to demonstrate lack of intelligence.

          1. Fucking dunce.

        1. Point? Are you assuming DoL is a progressive?

          1. Fucking dunce.

          2. The 1st Amendment angle is ludicrously convoluted.

      2. Yeah, we did away with private property rights a long time ago.

        I’m pretty sure businesses can’t demand private healthcare information from me in order to serve me. Can they demand I show them I don’t have HIV? The flu? How is that different?

        Articulate a limiting principle to what you’re proposing and we might have an honest discussion about this, but right now, I just see the erosion of privacy and liberty in the name of combating a virus with a 99.99% survival rate. No way government and big corporations won’t abuse that, right?

        1. For truly private property (not a business with customers that enter the property), it’s whatever the property owner decides, short of violating the NAP.

          For public accommodations, open to the public, where the public is invited to be guests on the owner’s property, I would say that the business should not discriminate against individuals based on characteristics that are beyond the individual’s control. Such as race, gender, or ethnicity. But everything else is still fair game. So if the property owner wants to require a certain dress code, or if the property owner wants to prohibit individuals with certain belief systems, or if the individual wants to require or prohibit vaccinations, then that’s their right.

          I think that position is reasonably libertarian enough. Do you?

          1. I think you authoritarian fucks are enacting shifting standards based on your policy preferences, which is not true private property rights, but arbitrary government strong-arming.

            1. So what is your plan that also protects private property rights?

              1. Oh so you don’t have an idea. Just endless bitching. Got it.

                Isn’t it so much easier and more fun to call people names instead of considering a proposed solution to a problem?

            2. The authoritarian fucks who are…..sticking up for private property?

              Rather than authoritarian fucks like yourself that think you’re entitled to a private business’s wares?

              Fuck off dumbass.

              1. So no limiting principle, huh? Got Aids? Hep C? Bring your medical records or you cannot go shopping at the mall.

                Idiot – you’re skipping the question; which is, can you define limiting principles and why, if asking for this vaccination to enter a normal business is ok, why isn’t it ok to ask for other medical information?

          2. I note, further, that you can’t articulate a limiting principle here. What’s to stop the expansion of these restrictions next flu season?

            You know there isn’t anything. This is a complete abdication of health privacy

            1. The limiting principle here is “violation of the NAP”. I thought I made that clear in the above example. Also, for public accommodations, no discrimination on characteristics beyond the individual’s control.

              1. So totes cool to ban homosexuals and trannies?

                1. Or 99% of all one sex by mandating a min/max hair length?

                  1. Sure go ahead and make a hair length requirement if you really want. That is called property rights. You get to decide who is on your property. Not sure why this is such a difficult concept.

                2. I said “characteristics beyond the individual’s control “.

                  1. Homosexuality, whatever your theory may be on the cause/motivation, is 100% defined by behavior.
                    Transgenderism not so much, but is exhibited by one’s dress.
                    Vaccination, incidentally, is 100% an internal matter once administered.
                    So totes cool with collectivistjeff to ban homosexuals and men/women who wear women’s/men’s attire?
                    Or is this just another situation where The Right People deserve privileges that The Undesirables don’t get?

              2. Wait, you really think being asymptomatic or even just a carrier of an airborne virus is a violation of the NAP?


          3. Norwegian uses quite a bit of public infrastructure in its business.

        2. Yeah, we did away with private property rights a long time ago.

          That is obviously not true and IMO it just retreats into unwarranted cynicism, where if private property rights are not upheld 100%, then it’s time to just ignore them and demand that they be violated to serve one’s own selfish interests. In truth we can have a robust regime of private property rights.

          1. Okay, replace every instance of “unvaccinated” in the article with the word “black” or “homosexual” and see how strongly the people pushing the vaccine passport bullshit defend “private property.”

            1. Well of course most of the people pushing the vaccine passport idea aren’t libertarians, they don’t defend private property rights for their own sake. Is this news to anyone?

              Because they don’t have principled reasons for their positions doesn’t mean that we can’t have principled reasons for our positions.

            2. It’s almost as if those first two are protected classes and the last is a bastion of moronic fuckheads.

              Hmm, how about them private property rights. Cry more snowflake.

              1. Lol. Protected not by your logic above and then you contradict with your last sentence. You truly are a more retarded version of tony

              2. If one TRULY believes in property rights…where do “protected classes” come into play?

        3. You’re property rights have been unacceptably eroded in recent years. I fail to see how your desire to erode them further is a good thing though

          1. It’s a sign of the New Right. “If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.” If they can’t get Team Blue to accept private property rights in principle, then they will do what Team Blue does – destroy private property rights in order to pursue benefits for themselves.

            1. But it’ll work out because Ken has a plan to infiltrate the Republican Party with libertarianism.

              Not a promising sign of the quality of his “logic” that he saw Trump as the camel’s nose in the tent for turning the GOP libertarian.

              1. Your obsessions of Ken, the GOP & Trump are duly noted. No fuck off and go away.

      3. “Irish need not apply.”
        “No colored allowed.”

        If the cruise ship has a baker should they be allowed to refuse baking a cake with “No Vaccine” on it?

        1. >>“Irish need not apply.”

          we got a bunch of Oklahoma in exchange lol

    2. If a private business wants to require proof of vaccination(s) that’s their right to do so. Why should the government have any power to tell them no?

      1. If a business wants to require proof of HIV status why, should the government have the power to tell them no?

        If a business wants to require proof of Hep C status, why should the government have the power to tell them no?

        If a business wants to require pregnancy status before allowing them to drink, why should the government have the power to tell them no?

        If a business wants to require proof of ……

        So the question still stands: what is the limiting principle? What legal principle can be logically drafted which allows businesses to check vaccination records in this case, but not check other information? How does this not violate HIPAA?

  8. A cruise ship owner should be allowed to set any conditions on travel he or she deems necessary to protect employees and customers, or to make customers feel safe traveling on the ship.

    Mandates either way (requiring or prohibiting proof of vaccination) are not needed.

    1. A cruise ship owner should be allowed to set any conditions on travel or what color you are or you sexual orientation is as he or she deems necessary to protect employees and customers, or to make customers feel safe traveling on the ship.

      1. Sign me up for the Chicago gangsta cruise!

      2. Or for whatever reason they choose, even no reason at all.

      3. But the cruise ship must have separate trans bathrooms.

  9. Vaccine passports are libertarian when big business demands them?

    Reason has this black hole when it comes to that. Censorship is fine when big tech does it. Vaccine passports are wonderful when big business does it.

    1. A business deciding how to run its business is libertarian.

    2. Very libertarian of you. Somehow the free market is all wrong now?

    3. A private business deciding how to run itself is libertarian. How do you not understand this?

  10. love the bias pic.

    1. The pic is perfect.

  11. Vaccine passports are freedom!

    1. What happened to “Work Will Set You Free”? Now its all, “Not Working is a Human Right”.

      1. Pretty much raspberrylunch in a nut shell. See how worthless you can truly be and them cry about your feelings

  12. Reason apparently wants to exclude African Americans from interacting in society.

    1. Your username is ever so apt. Maybe a 7000 model.

    2. It is known African Americans don’t have the ability to get ID for voting, how could you expect them to get proof of vaccinations?

  13. I believe that DeSantis lowers himself with this type of stuff. He tends to be pretty solid from what I’ve seen, saying this as someone not in Florida and so not intimately familiar with the day-to-day. Still, his tendency to go into this type of populist stuff I think lowers him.
    Though, is it popular? It very well could be. I’m a libertarian, and thus not a good person to ask how to get elected.

    1. This is what he is. A right wing populist panderer. He is ignoring the massive covid outbreak when he isn’t literally blaming it on immigrants. Even though FL has no border, he has seen the polling on what matters to right wing Trump fundies, and those are brown people who could potentially be shot with AR-15’s. Not the virus killing off Florida tourism. You see, they are quite simple and so cannot be scared by things that are not physical manifestations of their biases.

      1. >>massive covid outbreak

        oh fuck a bunch of people will survive a virus

      2. Even though FL has no border

        *checks map*
        What’s all that blue stuff surrounding Florida?

      3. what massive outbreak? For two years of spring break, we’ve heard the pearl clutching about super spreaders, and this in a state with a large elderly population. But, hey; you got in the “brown people” straw man, as if minorities in FL are not shooting each other when shooting at all.

        1. You’ll notice we no longer discuss “deaths” or even “hospitalizations.” Instead we obsessively talk about “cases.”

          Wonder why that is….

        2. Eh I read some heartfelt bullshit about some antivax idiot’s wife saying her husband needs a vent. There aren’t any because they’ve got too many selfish morons that didn’t get a shot.

          Oh well. I’m sure his small victory for governor will surely be fine as his voters die out.

          1. They rarely use ventilators for Covid patients now.

            1. Shitlunches doesn’t care about silly facts that don’t fit his narrative.

      4. “Even though FL has no border”

        Someone call Alabama and Georgia and tell them Florida’s disappeared.

    2. You’re right we should totally ignore when government dictates are imposed second hand through fascist means because “private company”. Sorry but they should turn the cruise ships away at the ports if they’re imposing such things.

  14. If Florida cannot prohibit discrimination against the unvaccinated, then laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race, likewise, are unconstitutional.

    1. Time to dust off my “No Pollocks Allowed” sign.

      1. Dodgers outfield hit hardest.

        1. dude’s raking. Cody Bellinwho?

    2. Except you didn’t read the decision.

      1. Hey now, stop insinuating that a dullard like that can even read. Don’t discriminate against their stupidity!

  15. Being unvaccinated is a pre-existing condition.

  16. Thank Science a judge stepped in to prop up totalitarianism!

    1. How is this totalitarianism yet when DeSantis tries to use the government to violate private property rights and interfere in a private business that’s not totalitarianism?

      I’d love to hear your excuses.

  17. Seems like the thing that is forgotten is that the order was put in place to counter the rule from the federal level that all passengers had to be cared. The level of property rights remains constant with or without the Florida order.

    1. The CDC mandate for cruises was reduced from requirement to guideline in a separate lawsuit 2 weeks ago. Norwegian is voluntarily requiring all passengers be vaccinated (and the CDC order was only that 95% had to be vaccinated)

      Norwegian clearly believes there is a premium market in offering 100% vaccinated cruises. I’m inclined to think they are correct

      Other cruise lines, like Carnival and Royal Caribbean, apparently believe they can safely sail with some number of unvaccinated passengers. I’m inclined to think they are correct as well

      1. The CDC mandate for cruises was reduced from requirement to guideline in a separate lawsuit 2 weeks ago. Norwegian is voluntarily requiring all passengers be vaccinated (and the CDC order was only that 95% had to be vaccinated)

        Norwegian clearly believes there is a premium market in offering 100% vaccinated cruises. I’m inclined to think they are correct

        There’s still plenty of case to be made that this is an actual passport issued by the CDC (and all the natural-immunity-ignoring pseudo-science that goes along with it). They aren’t offering perks to people who can demonstrate they’re vaccinated or creating special 100% vaccinated cruises as part of their broader offerings. They’re essentially saying they won’t let anyone on board who doesn’t have a government-issued passport.

        I agree with the distinction/notion that there is a premium for all-vaccinated cruises and that they should be able to explore it but, still, if they or anyone can’t offer white-only cruises (let alone HIV-free cruises), even just thematically, then they shouldn’t be able to offer vax-only cruises. Assuming of course the people talking about equality aren’t actually espousing some animals being more equal than others.

      2. The CDC mandate for cruises was reduced from requirement to guideline in a separate lawsuit 2 weeks ago. Norwegian is voluntarily requiring all passengers be vaccinated (and the CDC order was only that 95% had to be vaccinated)

        The CDC lost on appeal, but then made its guidelines non-binding, and all cruise lines operating in Florida have agreed to keep following the CDC’s instructions on a voluntary basis, the judge wrote.

        Libertarians for regulatory capture for the motherfucking win!

  18. Cared -> vaxed. I swear my spell check doesn’t like that word.

    1. Probably because it’s not a real word.

      1. Ahh. If course.

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  20. Ya; DeSantis goes too far on this one.
    There is no ‘Right’ to Private Service and such belief is entitlement.
    One of the cursed beliefs left behind from the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
    Yet; another area where the almighty Gov-Gun-Forces should have never been stuck.

    1. The cruise lines are just a proxy or a pawn. The port is in Florida but the CDC and other foreign health organizations get to say who can and can’t get off?

      Funny that open borders libertarians are cheering for more ‘Papieren, bitte!’ when the immigrant gets on/off a boat rather than walking across the Rio Grand.

  21. You’ll still catch Norwalk virus. Cheers.

  22. Man, the crying from the “big govt libertarians” here is just so refreshing. Don’t you know they’re entitled to someone else’s private property? How dare you discriminate against them being a moron?

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  24. Hoping that covid19 will disappear this year, lets keep praying…

  25. Let’s hope Covid will disappear by end of this year 2021. Please take your vaccine as soon as possible.

  26. As usual, Reason is playing the stupid “Muh totally private korporashunz!” card.

    Like the cruise lines have always had policies in place about norovirus and other contagions and are just adding COVID to the list rather than creating a special passport just for COVID because the CDC and various other government entities said they must. Presumably, no HIV positive passengers allowed on gay cruises without documented viral titers less than 2 weeks old, right?

    A libertarian veneer so thin you can see that their skulls are empty.

  27. Williams’ 59-page order emphasizes the challenges that companies like Norwegian face as they try to restart cruises while minimizing the risk of COVID-19 transmission and reassuring customers who are worried about that danger.

    It’s not the cruise line’s responsibility to minimize the risk of COVID-19. It’s incumbent upon the passengers to decide what and how much THEY are willing to risk. Scared? Then WTF would you want to be on a floating barge of germs at this point in time?

    And LOL to anyone who believes that these companies care about the health and welfare of their passengers. They do so only up to the extent that they do not want to be sued if passengers get sick and decide it’s the company’s fault.

  28. All of the media lies, misinformation, disinformation, and agenda censoring has created great confusion about this covid19 disease. Viruses and bacteria are transmitted person to person through body contact, exhalation of body fluids, and excretion of body waste. Everybody carries a boat load of viruses and bacteria in their body. That includes the covid19 bug. Being vaccinated largely means your immune system keeps the bug from causing you ill ease, but it does not keep you from passing the bug on to others. So, being vaccinated does not mean you are not contagious. All vaccinations do is keep you from getting sick when the vaccinations do their job. All the testing does is determine if you are carrying around a detectable level of whatever is being tested for.

  29. Trumpletarians, take your tongue out of Captain Ron’s fart box long enough to sniff the hypocrisy of your inability to distinguish liberty from government-imposed entitlement when the government-imposed entitlement is something you like. I’m sure it’s hard with his recycled fish taco farts so close to your nose. But damn, you all are pulling some real unwitting liberal elitist-esque logic out on this one, can’t see the forest for the Desantis taint. Fucking frauds.

    1. This is no more a “government-imposed entitlement” than is the prohibition on denial of services to individuals of a particular race or sex. Everyone has a right to bodily autonomy and freedom from medical coercion, and what you promote is no more a “libertarian” cause than the right of restaurants to refuse to serve black customers. If this seems an unfair comparison, recall that blacks are disproportionately unvaccinated.

  30. “Apparently DeSantis respects that right only when businesses operate the way he thinks they should.”

    Oh please, you little bitch. An international conspiracy to coerce people into injecting an experimental gene therapy is not a libertarian cause. Go take this bull crap elsewhere, maggot.

  31. Marketing allows the company to be more attractive to the client, more profitable for the owner. And also to solve such global tasks as the development of technologies, the development of a competitive market for goods and services, and ultimately-the development of the economy and society as a whole.

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