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Cubans Cry for 'Freedom'

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Cubans revolt over economic scarcity. Mass protests over Cuba's food and medicine shortages broke out in the Communist country over the weekend. "Our children are dying of hunger," shouted one woman in a video posted to Facebook. All told, hundreds of people in Havana, in San Antonio de los Baños, in Palma Soriano, and elsewhere reportedly took to the street.

Those numbers might not sound so staggering. But "in a country known for repressive crackdowns on dissent, the rallies were widely viewed as astonishing," The New York Times points out. "Activists and analysts called it the first time that so many people had openly protested against the Communist government since the so-called Maleconazo uprising, which exploded in the summer of 1994 into a huge wave of Cubans leaving the country by sea."

Cubans in 2021 are struggling due to government-imposed pandemic lockdowns, which have left many unable to work for months and put a stop to tourism and the money it brings in. The result has been a tanking economy and shortages of basic necessities.

"This is no longer a question of freedom of expression; it's a question of hunger. People are hitting the street. They are asking for an end to this government, to one-party rule, to repression and the misery we have lived through for 60 years," Havana theater director Adonis Milán told the Times.

Cuban government officials are still trying to blame the United States for the situation. For instance, Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel claimed the U.S. government is the main entity responsible for Cuba's economic troubles.

Some U.S. outlets have been playing along:

Meanwhile, the Times has been taking some flak for its coverage of the protests, after labeling protesters' cries of "freedom" as shouting "anti-government slogans."

Says OpenSecrets researcher Anna Massoglia on Twitter: "If shouting 'Freedom' is anti-government, there might be something wrong with your government."

Cuban authorities have reportedly been shutting down internet access in the country. But videos from the protests have still been spreading:


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Texas man prosecuted for voting. A Texas man is facing 40 years in prison for voting while on parole. Hervis Rogers, a 62-year-old man who waited seven hours in line to vote in last year's presidential primary, is now imprisoned on $100,000 bail as he awaits prosecution for voting illegally.

Rogers said he mistakenly thought he was OK to vote in the primary, since he was done serving time. People who have been convicted of felonies in Texas can only vote after serving out their full sentences, including parole. But Texas also says that people must know they're ineligible to vote for it to be considered a crime.

"Rogers's prosecution really shows the danger of overcriminalizing the process of participating in a democratic society," Tommy Buser-Clancy, a senior staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, told The New York Times. "How the election code is being used to go after individuals who at worst have made an innocent mistake."

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton—who has been a big supporter of former President Donald Trump's unfounded conspiracy theories about mass election fraud—is milking the case for publicity nonetheless.

"Enraged by his inability to find any evidence of the imaginary voter fraud he's been lying about, Ken Paxton decides to make an example of a black parolee who believed he was eligible to vote, as he should have been," comments Cato Institute fellow Julian Sanchez.


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  1. Cubans revolt over economic scarcity.

    It’s all the Floridians fleeing America to Cuba stealing their jobs.

    1. With the very first sentence ENB demonstrates she is a foot soldier in service to The Narrative.

      Which tells me the entire topic is downright touchy in certain circles.

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    2. Cubans Cry for ‘Freedom’

      ENB uses air-quotes for the word “freedom.” Why? Is what the Cubans are crying for not really freedom? Does ENB think the only freedom that exists is freedom to obey orders?

      1. Most charitably she might be acknowledging that at least some of the protesters are simply seeking an ‘upgrade’ to slightly less incompetent form of statism.

        Sure it’s offensive, stereotypical, and elitist, but it’s also one of the criticism they leveled at the TEA parties. So, in that sense, at least she’s a consistent elitist.

      2. To be fair the NYT article she links to calls the cry ‘Freedom’ an ‘Antigovernment slogan’. Cuban extremists and insurrectionists I guess.

      3. Unless you were watching her fingers, she was using quotes, not air quotes. It probably means they were literally shouting, “¡Liberdad!”.

        1. Cubans speak Spanish.

          1. It’s not like they could understand there is a worldwide audience is there?

          2. This is what stupid people do when they want to sound smart… state obvious facts.

            Thanks captain dum dum

            1. Fun fact: Cuba is an island that’s 90 miles SE of Florida.

              1. White Mike fact: Cuba is surrounded by HO2.

          3. Lots of GNATs biting today.

          4. So why didn’t the Headline Say: Cubans Cry for ¡Libertad! (“Freedom!”)? That would be clear enough and make journalists into foreign language educators as a value-add.

            1. Because text cannot roll its ‘r’s. Journalisming on anything involving the Spanish language requires rolling your ‘r’s.

              It is known.

              1. Oh, I see. Well, if that is their claim, then I can equally claim they are air-quoting.

    3. Indeed. It’s strange it’s not the mainly Capitalist countries enduring widespread misery and blaming the well-to-do Communist countries. No?

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  2. Mass protests over Cuba’s food and medicine shortages broke out in the Communist country over the weekend.

    AWK. Ward.

    1. They still have their literacy to fall back on.

      1. With the rate the left redefines words that may crash too.

      2. And if they had medicine, it would be free.

    2. Democratic Socialists of America were awfully silent. Michael Moore was in a food coma.

      1. Bernie was too busy wearing his mittens and eating his pie, even though he was bitching that The Three Little Kittens should get free pie and free mittens whether or not they find their old mittens.

    3. Damn Cubans are watching too much Fox News!

  3. Cubans revolt over economic scarcity.
    But they have the best health care.

    1. Articles with prominent democrats claiming so have already been memory holed.

      1. Later this week from Pelosi: Actually, it was Republicans that praised Cuba’s healthcare.

        1. That made me laugh! Cheers!

    2. Wretched ingrates. They need to be shot in the face for trespassing.

    3. Jacobin assured me that Cubans and China were leading the fight against Covid.

  4. They are asking for an end to this government, to one-party rule…

    They’re a step ahead of California already, with its recall to replace one failed official with another from the same party.

    1. Yup. California is a de facto one-party state ever since the “Open Primary” initiative was voted in by voters who were sold the low that it would increase their choices.

  5. When will Fauci face charges for his crimes against humanity?

    1. Here’s a clue – – – –

      30 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the peoples of the earth[m] will mourn; and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

      1. That Son of Man/Son of God/Son-of-A-Bitch was supposed to come back in the lifetime of his followers:

        Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew16:28

        So to answer the question about the latest phony Messiah Fauchi, never.

          1. Not as edgy as a mortal man claiming status as a God Encarnate.

            1. Depends, and we’ll forgive the spelling error

              1. “Incarnate.” Sorry.

                Anyway, he’s not a thing, so he’s not a basis for comparison with real people.

  6. Meanwhile, the Times has been taking some flak for its coverage of the protests, after labeling protesters’ cries of “freedom” as shouting “anti-government slogans.”

    Freedom is an anti-government slogan. The problem with the headline is that we know “anti-government” is an epithet in the minds of the paper’s staff.

    1. To be fair, defending murderous communist regimes is what wins the NYT their Pulitzers.

    2. See the NYT story from a few weeks ago, praising China for “restoring order” in Hong Kong.

      1. I always thought it was fascists who had a thing for order.

        1. Fascist/communist – two sides of the same coin.

          Or

          Bloods vs. Crips

    3. Maybe that was why ENB used air-quotes for the word “freedom.” She wanted to endear herself with the Sons and Daughters of Walter Duranty and not offend them.

      1. She probably used the quotes (just quotes, not air-quotes) because they were actually shouting in Spanish, not English.

        1. You’ve stated this twice thinking it makes you seem intelligent (about speaking spanish) when everyone knows that. They are referencing the NYT tweet dummy.

        2. She probably used the quotes (just quotes, not air-quotes) because they were actually shouting in Spanish, not English.

          You are such a fucking idiot.

          As Jesse notes, you keep suggesting this–that the quotes were to indicate that they were speaking spanish.

          They weren’t. The quotes were used, being as charitable as possible, to encompass all the things they were shouting which amounted to a cry for freedom.

          They were not standing around shouting ‘freedom’ –they were protesting against communist oppression.

          But, given the disgusting new politics on display at reason, it is far more likely that the quotes were used to denigrate the very idea of freedom.

  7. Cuban authorities have reportedly been shutting down internet access in the country.

    They had internet? Well, there’s your problem.

    1. It was easy to turn it off. They unplugged the 14.4 modem that was running it.

      1. Bet it’s the one the burglars got from me back in the 90’s

      2. And they scratched the 3.5″ floppy version of AOL software. 🙂

        1. That’s terrible. They just ran out of the 100 hours of free internet, too.

          1. And some old fart was deprived of a coaster for his 40-ounce Boost.

    2. There is no flyover country in Cuba.

      1. Actually, it’s all flyover country. You fly over and hope your plane isn’t shot down and you crash on it and live.

          1. I onkow what flyover country is. I was making an added pun on the term.

            *Tunnel! Tunnel! Tunnel!*

  8. She’s a physician assistant who rents out a unit in her Queens home. The tenants haven’t paid in 15 months — and yell, spit and curse at her.
    Of course they do. She is a wealthy landlord taking advantage of these poor people in their time of need.

    1. Don’t worry Trump will swoop in and pay her a fraction of the price the homes worth and turn it into the most hugest greatest project ever.

      1. I assumed it would be the Chinese.

        1. Yea, but Libertarians mustn’t criticize, or joke at the expense of, master China

  9. All Cubans and Venezuelans want is: FREEDOM.

    Well, then, start voting for it. (And don’t give us that old canard about rigged elections.)

    1. Maybe they can come to CA and tell the folks here what freedom is all about.

      1. They’d swim back after landing in CA.

    2. Fortified elections. Maduro has been fortifying democracy.

  10. How the election code is being used to go after individuals who at worst have made an innocent mistake.

    If he wanted mens rea then he should have voted for mens rea.

    1. How long before ENB finds out about protesters being held for 23 hour a day solitary confinement for pre trial detainment?

      1. Is it trending in left-wing Twitter?

  11. She’s a physician assistant who rents out a unit in her Queens home.

    The CDC and City of New York hail our pandemic first responders. Unfortunately, her status as a landlord means she gets lined up against a wall.

  12. Almost a decent explainer by ENB. She got the NYT quote in. Ironically she doesn’t see the similarities between the Cuban government shutting down the internet as compared to silicon valley colluding to shitndown stories dangerous to the DNC.

    Twitter even got in on the action by saying the protests were about covid and not against the government. .

    People are helping to spread awareness on the impact of COVID-19 in Cuba as cases hit an all-time high in the country,

    Which aligns woth the messaging from the white house and state department. They seem to be claiming the protests aren’t against the marxost government. It is complete gaslighting. State dept for example:

    Julie Chung, Acting Assistant Secretary for U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, tweeted, “Peaceful protests are growing in #Cuba as the Cuban people exercise their right to peaceful assembly to express concern about rising COVID cases/deaths & medicine shortages. We commend the numerous efforts of the Cuban people mobilizing donations to help neighbors in need.”

    Psaki followed up on a podcast with the same messaging.

    Maybe reason can finally take a hint that the democrats aren’t actually for freedom at this point.

  13. Now I believe Red has something he’d like to say to me.

    To save time I won’t accept his apology until he disavows his previous support of treason and admits he was wrong to stick up for Chuck.

      1. Senile rummy

        1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

          I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

          But you said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

          1. Why do you love Mormons?

            Because you’re a Nazi piece of shit like theyre

            1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

              I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

              But you said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

              1. I hate to use one of your loser terms, but… “copypas…”

                Can’t do it!

                Just thinking about typing it makes me feel lame like you.

                1. Not nearly as lame as someone who said he’d stab me in the right temple and repeatedly pusses out when given an actual address to go to.

                  You said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

                  1. YOUR ADDRESS moron.
                    Not an address where you can ambush me with your Nazi pals

                    1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

                      I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

                      But you said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

                2. Piss off sarcasmic. Your death threat schtick is getting old.

    1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

      I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

      But you said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

      1. Your real address…

        Thank you for talking so much shit to me.

        It’s reassuring that a horrible person like you doesn’t like me

        1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

          I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

          But you said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

            1. Poor troll is try’s too hard guy.

              1. Poor R mac

            2. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

              I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

              You said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

    2. Piss off you flatulent left wing shitstained faggot.

      1. Don’t forget to wear your seat belt ya fascist bigot.

        1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

          I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

          But you said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

          1. Your real address not AN address.

            Quit being a puss you homophobic Mormon lover

            1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

              I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

              You said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

              1. YOUR address.

                Not the address of an Islamic center.

                Fascist bigot traitor puss

                1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

                  I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

                  But you said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

        2. Because his handle is buckleup! Ha, very clever.

          1. I knew YOU’D like it

            1. That was sarcasm. Your jokes aren’t clever.

              1. sarcasmic level intellect is never an effective generator of wit.

              2. You didn’t get my sarcasm

  14. The Trademark Trial and Appeal Board rejects the mark [REDACTED] for clothing…

    “If white people aren’t allowed to ask the sales clerk to check in the back for it, then no one can.”

  15. Democrats are now openly admitting to wanting a government influenced social credit store like China.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/07/11/democrats-move-to-take-over-your-credit-score-and-go-full-woke-just-like-communist-china-n1460955

    While public agencies are not perfect, at least they would not have profit-making as their top priority. They would be responsive to public pressure and government oversight. They could also be charged with developing credit scoring models to reduce the yawning racial and economic inequality in this country.

    1. God that is some newspeak. Profit making is a response to the public’s needs and want, while public agency are accountable to no one.

    2. They would be responsive to public pressure and government oversight.

      Yet another instance of left-wingers exercising low future-time orientation.

      1. “They would be responsive to public pressure and government oversight.”
        Translation:
        “They would be responsive to insurrection and government oversight.”

    3. Responsive to Public Pressure. That must be the Capitol Police Offices in Florida. Pelosi is going to exercise some “public pressure” during the midterms at the polls.

  16. A federal judge has granted an injunction against Texas’s new law making it illegal for 18-20 years olds to work at strip clubs…

    “Three generations of sagging titties are enough.”

  17. In the continuing theme…. Fauci wants vaccine mandates.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fauci-more-vaccine-mandates

    Cnn followed the interview by stating the government and society should make being unvaccinated as hurtful as possible.

    1. I Biden/Harris were smart, they’d fire Fauci, truthfully inform Americans that virtually everyone who had Covid still has natural immunity, and that vaccines that would otherwise be wasted on Americans with natural immunity will be given to Cubans (for free) and poor people in other countries.

      1. According to https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-tracker/
        only 149 cases of covid reinfection have occurred worldwide, including just 14 in the US.

        Looks like 99.999% of people who have had covid remain immune.

        But Fauci, CDC, state/local health agencies, Big Pharma, Big Medicine, and the left wing mainstream and social media continue to lie about natural immunity (and wasting vaccines on people who don’t need them).

        1. I can’t begin to tell you how many people swear up and down they “had it twice”.
          When I tell them the odds of that are just astronomical, they get into a real huff.

        2. Study from Cleveland Clinic had zero people that had it, but not the vaccine, get it again.

          https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/covid-immunity-vaccination/2021/06/09/id/1024476/

        3. Shut up and get the vaccine, bigot.

  18. All Cubans and Venezuelans want is: FREEDOM.
    Good luck getting it without having any guns.

    1. While the Cuban authorities have some guns, it is not clear if they have much ammunition.

    2. Arm every raft fleeing and turn them around?

      1. Capital Idea!

  19. Neither rain nor sleet nor snow will stop the U.S. Postal Service. But a pandemic on top of a political fiasco? That’s a first-class problem.

    Holy shit! Remember when Trump was stealing mailboxes?

    1. BlueAnon isn’t real.

  20. These were peaceful people, these were great people.

    He would make a great CNN riot reporter.

    1. Getting Trump on staff would certainly help CNN’s ratings.

  21. U.S. cities are still fighting over backyard chickens.

    Much cock-a-doodle-do about nothing.

    1. Go ahead and use that, headline writers. It’s a gift.

      1. I think it has legs.

        1. I could see it taking off, but not for long.

  22. “Rogers said he mistakenly thought he was OK to vote in the primary, since he was done serving time. People who have been convicted of felonies in Texas can only vote after serving out their full sentences, including parole.”

    Will someone please query: if an individual is deemed “safe enough” to be allowed to retake their place in society (though still under supervision), then under what logic are they not “safe enough” to vote?

    1. Would you rather parole not exist at all? It is an agreement for freedom from prison with repercussions if you break the agreement. It is beneficial to the prisoner. Without parole he would still be in jail for his original sentence.

      1. Hey Jesse, good morning.

        I understand that, I just don’t understand the logic behind it. We parole violent offenders into a world full of potential weapons which might “tempt” them to resume their life-style, for instance, so I don’t have a problem attempting to restrict their access to weapons until they have successfully completed their parole. But this makes little sense.

        1. It was a known restriction on him prior to him committing the crime. He is probably also barred from drugs and alcohol, has to check in monthly, etc. It is the terms society put on him for early release. He violated those terms.

          1. And I recognize that, as well. But if reintegration into “polite society” is the goal, restoring their right to vote. which is major symbol of both freedom and responsibility, might actually help promote a more productive life-style. And though that is probably wishful thinking, I still don’t see much of a downside.

            1. I dont think voting adds productivity either way. More than half of Americans don’t vote.

              It is more productive for him to understand how to live with agreements he has made in my opinion.

              1. And that is not an unreasonable stance.

    2. Rogers said he mistakenly thought he was OK to commit the crime that got him locked up.

      1. Interesting there’s nothing in the story about his original crime.

        1. If you follow the links, it’s in the NPR story:

          “In 1995, Rogers was arrested and sentenced to 25 years in prison for burglary and intent to commit theft. He was out on parole May 20, 2004, and his parole was set to end June 13, 2020.”

    3. By the way… if you think it is no big deal…

      One of the big controversies of the first Al Franken election was the fact that a Democrat group there actively sought out and got people ineligible to vote, due to felonies, to vote illegally in his election. While never confirmed it is believed the number of illegal felon votes was greater than the difference in votes.

      Elections have rules. Changing them outside of normal course is simply cheating. If you dont like the no parole voting law, seek to change it. Don’t just ignore it.

      1. Jesse, that is a completely different issue. I am not promoting or supporting violating the law. I am questioning this particular form of punishment, seeing that is (ostensibly), the coal of the justice system to help reintegrate folks back into society, rather than keep them on the edges of it.

        1. .. the coal of the justice system to help reintegrate folks back into society,
          There’s your problem right there.
          The real goal is to keep folks under the thumb of the justice system. Setting people free doesn’t keep the folks in the justice system employed.

          1. “The real goal is to keep folks under the thumb of the justice system. Setting people free doesn’t keep the folks in the justice system employed.”

            Which is why I used the term “ostensibly.”

            ostensibly
            adverb
            1. apparently or purportedly, but perhaps not actually:

            1. Try to develop a sense of humor.

              1. I actually DO have a sense of humor. This does not mean I don’t miss it sometimes. Or even oft-times.

    4. “since he was done serving time.”

      Why do people say this knowing that the penalties for many crimes include permanent effects?

      Serving your time is but one aspect of the justice system.

      1. “Why do people say this knowing that the penalties for many crimes include permanent effects?”

        I understand that. I just don’t see how denying an individual their voting rights promotes civic responsibility. Assuming the original crime didn’t involve a violation of voting laws, of course.

        1. Which is why a decent reporter would have included his original crime in the story.

          1. I couldn’t find anything online about his original crime. So it appears no reporter, anywhere, bothered to look.

            1. The state of modern journalism.

            2. It would be delicious irony if he was originally convicted of voter fraud.

              1. Indeed that would be hugely funny.

        2. ” I just don’t see how denying an individual their voting rights promotes civic responsibility. ”

          We don’t deny them, we invalidate them. As consequence for bad behavior.

          Yes it’s the Nietzschean approach. Some people choose to behave properly because it is morally right, but many others choose to behave because they fear the consequences of doing otherwise.

          That means there must be real consequences. That some are permanent is a feature, not a bug.

          1. Personal example. I’m a hunter, I’ve hunted all over this country, and trespassing is often a concern when wandering near private property. In many places this is treated quite casually, to the annoyance of landowners (including myself.) But I’ve also hunted in Florida. Where armed trespass is legally defined as a felony offense. That makes you really careful when you come across a fence line where you didn’t expect one.

            1. I understand what you are saying, but I still don’t see how denying (or nullifying) a 62-year-old man’s ability to vote (this particular case) helps build a better society. There are other things laws are used to deny, limit, (or nullify) rights and privileges which arguably, can, at lease in principle, lead to a more peaceable society. I just don’t feel this particular one fits that goal.

          2. This is, in effect, modern society’s alternative to banishment. I’d almost rather have banishment and a legitimate no-man’s land where government and society are not overseeing the criminals that populate it. Cranks and outlaws can form their own societies more to their keeping if they don’t like our laws.

            But to pretend that people who don’t want to live by society’s laws have every right to participate in said society is a little misguided, in my opinion.

            1. “But to pretend that people who don’t want to live by society’s laws have every right to participate in said society is a little misguided, in my opinion.”

              This. It’s a continuum, go far enough we will permanently remove you from ordinary society. If there were still far off uninhabited lands where you could be deposited and left to fend for yourself I’d be ok with that. But, at some point, you have crossed a line that says you are not even worth the time, expense, and danger associated with keeping you imprisoned for life.

              Yes, killing is permanent. But, due to the arrow of time, all punishment leaves some permanent effects, if only time lost. But the hope is that it corrects or at least inhibits further bad behavior.

              If punishment didn’t leave lasting effects there would be no point punishing anyone ever.

              1. If there were still far off uninhabited landsmmm

                Do you mean Canada?

  23. “Restrictions on surrogacy for same-sex couples and single fathers in Israel must be lifted within six months, the court ruled, giving authorities time to prepare for the change while making clear that it is a definitive one.”

    What is the ME coming to?

    1. The 21st Century.

      1. More like the 1st.

        1. Did they have surrogate pregnancy for same-sex couples in the 1st Century? What did the fetus gestate in, a box?

          1. The nearest slave girl.

            1. Chuckle

          2. Did they have surrogate pregnancy for same-sex couples

            There is no ‘surrogacy’ for same sex couples. You can’t combine two sperm or two eggs and get anything that will ever grow into anything–no matter who you try to implant it in.

            Same sex couples get pregnant the only way possible–with a male gamete, a female gamete and a female with a working uterus.

            Nothing ‘same sex’ about the process.

    2. Like the old spiritual says: “If it’s good for the Hebrew people, it’s good enough for me!”

  24. A 19-year-old Utah woman has been charged with a hate crime enhancement for allegedly destroying a “Back the Blue” sign in front of a police officer…

    I hope he’s okay.

    1. Nothing that paid time off won’t cure.

      1. But then he’d miss out on a chance to shoot a dog.

    2. Lol who cares! Painting over the BLM signs got charged with hate crimes, too. Turnabout is fair play.

  25. Meanwhile, a particularly nasty fight is brewing in the Commonwealth of PA. The PA senate (Team R held) wishes to audit the 2020 election in a selection of counties, Philadelphia county among them. The Team D governor and the Team D SecState are opposed (surprise!), and further have stated that compliance with an audit will decertify the machines being audited.

    What does Philadelphia county have to hide? Everything was on the ‘up and up’, right?

    1. It is amazing the lengths democrats are going to to not have an audit.

      1. No widespread fraud.

      2. It’s because they are judicious stewards of the public fisc and they have ample experience that all such efforts are a waste of resources. There can be no other explanation whatsoever.

      3. The Biden Administration has a real problem: nobody hires 100 lawyers to hide an election victory.
        Nobody has the DOJ interfere in a state ordered audit because they won fair and square.

    2. Trump lost! Move on

        1. What’s so funny?

          Are you Catholic?
          Anglican?
          Presbyterian?
          None of the above?

          1. As long as I’m not a Jew or a Mormon, huh?
            None of the above. I was christened in a Lutheran church, but never had confirmation so I don’t know if that counts.

            1. It’s Lutheranism, as long as you show up for Christmas and or Easter occasionally and drink lots of coffee,you’re good.

              1. If you miss Easter or Christmas you can substitute attending the Lutefisk and Lefsa annual fundraiser.

            2. Keep lying about me being anti Semitic.

              My offer still stands. I’m sure Red would love it if you got rid of me once and for all.

              You won’t because you’re a lying fascist coward

              1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

                I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

                But you said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

                1. Your address not an address.

                  Are you sure you’re not Mormon? You have the intellect of one.

                  It would explain your bigotry and treason.

                  1. You’re smart to not give me your address. Because I’d stab you in the right temple.

                    I have to work and don’t have time to fly to Denver, off you, and live my bitching life.

                    But you said you’d stab me in the right temple if I gave you an address. Don’t puss out now.

    3. I don’t understand how third parties handling the voting machines can invalidate their certification, they are impossible to hack, aren’t they?

  26. Andrew Sullivan of all fucking people notices that something very wrong is going on:

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/11/its-bigger-than-crt-radical-ideologies-transforming-us/

    Take a big step back. Observe what has happened in our discourse since around 2015. Forget CRT for a moment and ask yourself: is nothing going on here but Republican propaganda and guile? Can you not see that the Republicans may be acting, but they are also reacting — against something that is right in front of our noses?

    What is it? It is, I’d argue, the sudden, rapid, stunning shift in the belief system of the American elites. It has sent the whole society into a profound cultural dislocation. It is, in essence, an ongoing moral panic against the specter of “white supremacy,” which is now bizarrely regarded as an accurate description of the largest, freest, most successful multiracial democracy in human history.

    We all know it’s happened. The elites, increasingly sequestered within one political party and one media monoculture, educated by colleges and private schools that have become hermetically sealed against any nonleft dissent, have had a “social justice reckoning” these past few years. And they have been ideologically transformed, with countless cascading consequences.

    1. It is the new Red Guard. They are openly talking about harm and socially stigmatizing the unwashed non believers. They are openly talking of redoing stock markets and FICO with an emphasis on acceptable beliefs. This started wY before 2015 though, see Operation Chokepoint.

      1. Ding ding ding!

        And ask Ted Wheeler about his attempts to control the Red Guard.

    2. Thanks for the link. It would appear that Sullivan is still coming to grips with his role in the whole mess, and is not yet willing to recognize how much Obama is part and parcel of it.

      Rock bottom awaits him.

      1. Sullivan usually has a tendency to ostrich when that happens, but sometimes reality strikes him. He was a huge cheerleader for the Iraq war and Bush, until he finally realized what a disaster it was and then flipped. Maybe he’ll reach that point with Obama one day.

    3. Observe what has happened in our discourse since around 2015.

      Since Trump, you mean. I would suggest you might want to observe what happened in our discourse since about 2008, when any criticism of a black man suddenly became racist and got you barred from the conversation of polite society.

  27. Cubans revolt over economic scarcity.

    I trust the socialists will treat these insurgents with respect for their human rights.

    1. You mean shooting them in the face for trespassing on public property?

      1. It could get interesting for the media here in this country if some of these people are locked up in solitary confinement for 6 months to a year as political prisoners.

  28. The Cuban situation may be prove to be an early crisis for the Biden administration, but it might pale in comparison to the problems in Haiti. Both of them could combine into an immigration crisis that would make the one on our border with Mexico look like a walk in the park.

    Haiti is on the brink of civil war, and Joe Biden just declined the Haitian government’s request for U.S. troops. That’s the right move, if civil war breaks out, and it looks like it probably will, the people there won’t stay in Haiti. They’ll get on anything that floats and make their way to Florida by the millions.

    The same thing will happen in Cuba if the government become preoccupied with staying in power. There have been waves of refugees fleeing from Cuba in the past under these circumstances, and U.S. policy under presidents like Clinton and Obama was about preventing waves of refugees from flooding Texas and Florida.

    If both Cuba and Haiti have concurrent crises, Biden will be a really tough position on what to do with the refugees. Our interests in Haiti, from Aristide to the earthquake in 2010, were primarily about preventing waves of refugees, and our policy in regards to Cuba has largely been about sending Cubans back to Cuba if they’re traveling by boat.

    Nothing good can happen for the Biden administration if they’re forced to choose between taking in hundreds of thousands to millions of Cubans and Haitians or using the Coast Guard to intercept them and either put them in third country refugee camps or send them back from where they came.

    All those beach condo owners from New York are just gonna love having hundreds of thousands refugees living in a camp next door.

    1. “Haiti is on the brink of civil war”

      Our church has been involved with mission work in Haiti for quite some time – a school and clinic in a town on the southern peninsula, and my family has been their twice.

      The people we have stayed in contact with on social media are in a state of panic like I’ve never seen. Not even during the Earthquake. Too many people, far removed from the politics of Port Au Prince, are telling anyone and everyone they can “I need to get out, right now!”

      1. I found this report from Reuters to be disturbing.

        https://rumble.com/vjp9q7-powerful-gang-boss-wades-into-haiti-turmoil.html

        The leader of a nine affiliated gangs is calling for “legitimate violence” again the country’s elite–of Syrian and Lebanese ancestry?

        For all I know, that elite really was responsible for taking out the president for threatening their livelihoods, but even if they weren’t, a street war between gangs and a wealthy ethnic minority doesn’t sound like the road to peace amid the economic collapse brought on by the pandemic as well as the effects of the pandemic itself.

        I hope this comes to a peaceful resolution, but that isn’t what I’d expect.

        P.S. It’s nice to see Reuters on Rumble. Reason might consider doing likewise.

      2. The Haitians should be sent to Cuba and the Cubans to Venezuela.

        1. Close the loop and send the ‘Zuelans to Haiti?

          1. Send the Venezuelans to Antarctica. With their voting habits there’ll be a shortage of ice shortly.

    2. admitidly it is a no win scenario for whoever is president. Of course any president can always make it worse and i’m counting on biden to do just that

      1. He’ll try to play both sides of restricting refugees and welcoming refugees–and accomplish nothing on either side of the equation.

        The worst solution would have been to answer the Haitian government’s request for U.S. troops and give the Haitians one enemy to unify against–us.

        I’m glad he avoided that.

        1. IMO the best thing we can do is pick a side, and tell that side they are responsible for distributing the aid we are surely going to send and that if they do not do a good job we will find another side who can.

          Palliative care for a dying society.

          1. This is how we end up in Haiti for the next 6 decades.

            Let it burn, it’s really not our problem.

        2. “I’m glad he avoided that.”

          It’s early, give it time.

          1. Biden hasn’t yet been told it was the CIA behind the coup. Moise was too friendly with the populists and the poors in Haiti, so was replaced by CIA puppet Claude Joseph at the behest of the oligarchs led by the Bouros family.

            1. If that is true the good news is that there will not be a full blown civil war. Mostly just a slaughter of the opposition.

        3. I suspect if the situation worsens, he will cave & there will be US boots on the ground there.

      2. Don’t worry, he will put Harris in charge of it.

  29. But Texas also says that people must know they’re ineligible to vote for it to be considered a crime.

    Oh come on! Gimme a break! Mens rea is a quaint idea that’s like old and stuff! Hang the motherfucker! He voted illegally!

    (Assuming he didn’t vote for Trump. If he’s a Trump voter then this is a travesty. All about who, not what.)

    1. “All about who, not what.”

      Indeed.

      1. He projects quite a bit.

      2. Self reflection isn’t sarcasmic’s forte.

    2. You remain an idiot.

  30. In Israel, a new Supreme Court decision “paved the way for same-sex couples to have children through surrogacy, capping a decade-old legal battle,”

    Good to see that they’ve finally tackled their biggest threat.

  31. All Cubans and Venezuelans want is: FREEDOM.

    We need to get Kammy down there to get to the root causes of their dissatisfaction with communism.

    1. It would seem the root cause is lack of photocopiers – – – – – – – – – – – –

    2. I’m pretty sure they mean freedom from climate change. Kamala has already explained that.

    1. [insert closing anchor tag here]

    2. My daughter likes The Sidelinger.

      1. Surprised I’m not seeing swathes of grey after mentioning my daughter. So used to the usual suspects calling me a pedophile, it’s almost remiss when they don’t post nasty shit like that.

        1. Here’s sarc admitting that he brought up his daughter just so people he’s muted would respond. So broken.

          1. It’s a plaintive cry for attention. Good or bad he’s desperate for people to notice him.

    3. How white person isolated are you that you dont know what a fucking Cubano sandwich is??

      1. He’s from Maine. They’re only allowed to eat 1 non-Lobster or non-Moose-venison meal per week. Rather crimps the restaurant options.

        1. Dunno what the muted troll said, but I am thawing out some venison right now. Lobster is stupid expensive. I let people buy it for me rather than seeking it out.

          1. You do realize you advertising mute lists makes you look like a child right?

            Are you going to threaten to put me in the hospital again? And you call others trolls. Lol.

            1. “but muh mute list, pay attention to me cause muh mute list”

          2. He said ‘go fuck yourself, lefty pile of shit’.

        2. If you find yourself in Maine, shopping at the famous Kittery Trading Post, don’t go next door to Bob’s Clam Hut. Went there earlier this week and got a haddock basket. All tail pieces. Nasty. Never eating there again.

          1. The post is about Cubans protesting over their failed and oppressive Communist govt and dildo over here is going on and on over gross and disgusting white people food in Maine. He thinks he’s being cute. I think I found Jonah Goldberg‘s sock puppet.

            1. Meanwhile Mr. Serious here bursts a blood vessel in his colon.

              1. Calm down buddy, I was just being sarcasmic.

                1. Hemorrhoid tells cucumber to chill. Ayuh.

                  1. Hemorrhoid tells shit scented cucumber to chill. Ayuh.

                    FIFY

                    1. Look at that! He’s calling me a faggot! It’s like being in middle school again!

                    2. Faggot? You strike me as the screwball type New Englander that likes to shove things up his butt. You’re the guy that takes a piss at the urinal with his hands on his hips.

                    3. You’re the guy that takes a piss at the urinal with his hands on his hips.

                      *blushes*

                      Busted….

                      I only do it to see your jealous looks.

                    4. Poor sarc. Keep it up and he’ll mute you. Then tell everyone he muted you. Repeatedly.

                    5. Is that when you first came out?

                    6. R Mac isn’t gay, and neither is his boyfriend.

                    7. It was the summer of love for a 14 year old sarcasmic. Love and cucumbers.

            2. Only if Jonah’s taken to stalking his ex and drinking too much.

            3. Cod is white people food now? White people food is disgusting? I hate this era.

              1. I like it simple. Clamfry and eggwash. Let the fish speak for itself.

          2. Drive another hour to Ted’s.

            Best seafood I’ve ever had.

            1. Why are you talking to yourself?

      2. There is no beef in a Cuban sandwich.

        Ham, roast pork, salami, swiss, pickles, mustard.

        It was invented in Tampa.

        1. Sounds like heartburn on a stick. Thanks for answering my question though. Nice to see not everyone around here is a dick.

          1. It is a pressed sandwich. The bread is really the key – Cuban bread is a variation on a baguette or Italian bread. The mistake most make is overloading the sandwich, after pressing the filling should be less thick than the bread.

            My favorite variation is replacing the ordinary ham with hot capicolla.

            1. We actually make a Cuban pizza. Put the mustard on after baking.

              1. Awesome idea, so long as you get a nice crisp crust.

                1. Do it in the cast iron skillet, so yeah.

        2. Don’t ask for a Cuban sandwich in Cuba. Cat tastes funny.

        3. All that fatty pork in one place and Cuba still claims to have the best health care in the world? Kinda shoots that down.

          1. Necessity is the mother of invention.

    4. And a troll managed to drop a turd on my post already. You really need a life, man.

      1. Says the guy who didn’t know what a Cubano was lol.

        You calling me a troll over and over seems quite trolling. You know others can see my posts vs yours right?

      2. Says the guy that just heard about Cuban sandwiches and felt the need to post about it here.

  32. Guys!! My life just changed. I just heard about this, and it’s amazing!!! Have you ever tried one?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_sandwich

    1. Is that a GERMAN sandwich?

      1. You haven’t lived until you’ve had Beef on Weck.

        1. That looks good. Really good.

      2. I tried this new Irish place, McDonald’s. Some sort of meat wafer in a bun.

        1. Sounds interesting, I’ll check it out, thanks!

        2. I believe those are called “humbaggers”.

          1. Holy shit, I lol’d irl.

        3. Mick Dick’s House of Beef? Good stuff.

          1. How long until you realize you’re being made fun of with this post?

        4. What’s their beer selection like?

          1. Pretty poor selection, most of it tasted like soda.

          2. Actually, I heard at least at one time, The Golden Arches Steak House in NYC had beer. I don’t know if I’d want to wash down a Big Mac and McDonaldland Cookies with it.

            1. McDonald’s in Italy serves bear as an option on its meals. Upon seeing this I had to get it.

    2. Are you kidding?

      The key to a Reuben is the ingredients.

      Do not go the grocery store.

      Jewish rye. With a real crust. Go to the Jewish bakery.

      Corned beef. Go to the deli where they cook it up every day and slice it up to order and put it in a paper wrapper.

      Sauerkraut. If it came in a jar toss it down the sink.

      Swiss cheese. Sliced from a block.

      Russian dressing. It ain’t ketchup and Mayo.

      https://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/russian-dressing-51182860

      Butter both slices of bread. Put it together and grill both sides until the cheese melts and bread is golden brown.

      Heaven on earth.

      1. “Are you kidding?”

        Yes. I was making fun of sarc just now discovering Cubanos.

        1. In addition to being a cowardly, passive-aggressive goosestepper for the totalitarian left, echospinner is also quite dull witted.

      2. Sooo…How do Jewish Delis get away with seething the salty kid in it’s mother’s milk in the form of Swiss Cheese and with sea salt in the Russian dressing without getting angry protests from Lubavitchers?

        1. They don’t.
          That’s why a Reuben is a mock Jewish Deli sandwich.

          It’s like how chop suey isn’t actually authentic Chinese.

          1. I even posted the Wikipedia link!

          2. I still wonder: Do Jewish delis get protests from Lubavitchers and other Ultra-Orthadoxers for serving the Reuben? Well, we know who else protested Jewish delis…

  33. 4chan’s greatest hoax continues bearing fruit:

    Universal Orlando is sued for $30K over photos of actor dressed as Minions villain Gru ‘flashing white supremacist “OK” sign in photos with two young girls of color’

    Two families are suing Universal Orlando for $30,000 after an actor dressed as the Despicable Me villain Gru allegedly flashed a ‘white power’ sign in photos with young girls of color.

    The lawsuit – filed in Orange County, Florida on June 23 – includes the photos from February and March 2019 with the character making an upside-down ‘OK’ hand gesture adopted by white supremacist groups in both…’This white power hand signal has become openly and widely used to express hatred towards a segment of the population based upon a person’s race, color and national origin, and it has prevalently and commonly been known as a hate symbol for years.’

    Incredible how a prank of the circle game by a board of hyper-autistic shitposters became the left-liberals’ modern Nazi salute.

    1. QAnon started the same way–and people take that seriously, too.

      If you take anything that comes out of 4chan seriously, the joke is on you.

      1. Like I’ve said before, if you know what a dog whistle sounds like, that means you’re a dog.

      2. Good point Ken, that’s actual trolling. The word is thrown around so loosely and often that it’s original meaning is lost. Michael Malice has a take on this that’s enlightening.

    2. KissAllRednecks believed it though. She’s a fucking genius at distilling knowledge from the dark web.

      1. Where did I say I believed the ok symbol was anything other than ok?

        You got me! I’m a girl

    3. “Incredible how a prank of the circle game by a board of hyper-autistic shitposters became the left-liberals’ modern Nazi salute.”

      The most fucked up aspect is that establishment ‘liberals’ know it was a 4chan prank on them. They know that it doesn’t actually mean anything to ‘white supremacist groups’.

      But they know that millions of people who have always used that sign to mean ‘ok’ can now be effectively tarred as rAciSt for using it however innocently, and that gives them power boners.
      It also allows grifters to sue Universal for $30K.

    4. Pepe the frog is so proud.

      1. You do know that “proud” is now transphobic, right?

        1. Pepe is clearly transphobic, so that makes sense.

    5. “Universal Orlando is sued for $30K over photos of actor dressed as Minions villain Gru ‘flashing white supremacist “OK” sign in photos with two young girls of color’…”

      Suit brought by the dumbest lawyer in his graduating class not called ‘your honor’.

      1. Well, the weather underground school of law needs grants and funneled taxpayer funds too.

      2. Wait, Gru is the villain in Minions? I may have to watch those movies again because I either don’t know which one’s Gru or I don’t know what a villain is.

      3. Meh, it’s a suit angling for a settlement. The optics of “Disney defends links to White Supremacy hate symbol” can’t be good when they’re otherwise doing everything to court the woke.

  34. “Shouting “Freedom” and other anti-government slogans”

    Fuck you New York Times. You haven’t changed one iota since the days of Walter Duranty.
    Calling cries of freedom a ‘slogan’ that’s ‘antigovernment’, shows just how authoritarian that paper really is.

    1. Gotta at least give ENB credit for calling it out. Of course tomorrow she’ll cite NYT again on some other story.

    2. “Freedom” is an antiauthoritarian government slogan, but the NYT seems to use “antigovernment” as a pejorative. So, yeah.

  35. Should voting be a right, or a privilege?

    If voting is a right, then why should it not be afforded to every eligible citizen, with only very very few exceptions (such as the mentally ill)? Why shouldn’t individuals on parole, deemed at least safe enough to be a part of civil society once again, have their right to a vote respected?

    If voting is a privilege, then what ought to be the qualifications and tests that a citizen ought to meet in order to earn this privilege of voting? Obviously obtaining a voter ID. Any others?

    1. If voting is your right, why and how do you think that presenting ID impinges on it?

      1. *IF* a requirement for a voter ID is in effect a stealth poll tax, then it transforms the supposed right to vote into a mere privilege.

        I do think that there ought to be a voter ID requirement for voting. But the burden on the citizen for obtaining it should be de minimis. In other Western countries, the government will actually automatically register to vote every eligible citizen once he/she reaches voting age, and will automatically mail voting credentials to every eligible voter, so that the voter doesn’t have to jump through hoops or wait in long lines at some government bureau in order to obtain their credentials. That is the type of voter ID system that I favor. Do you?

        1. “*IF* a requirement for a voter ID is in effect a stealth poll tax”

          That “if” is doing a lot of heavy lifting because it is in no way, shape, or form, a stealth poll tax.

          Everyone, even poor black people, already have ID which they use for cashing cheques, driving a car, getting loans, buying beer and cigarettes, using their credit card, taking a flight, etc.
          Showing it to verify you’re identity and stop the Democrats frauding, is just another use of something everyone has.

          The fact that you think most black people don’t already have ID and use it in their daily lives is beyond racist.

          1. “cashing cheques”

            Fucking Canadians.

          2. If Obama had trouble getting his birth certificate think how hard it must be for ordinary black people.

            1. Lol. Nice!

          3. The fact that you think most black people don’t already have ID and use it in their daily lives is beyond racist.

            I never claimed anything remotely like this. I even said in the paragraph above that I support voter ID laws, provided they are constructed and implemented in the right way. Is this not enough for you?

              1. So what are you looking for from me?
                I said I supported a voter ID requirement. Is that not enough?
                Let me guess. It’s not enough to merely support a voter ID requirement, I also have to buy into the Team Red narrative of Democrats rigging elections and committing massive voter fraud. Is that it?
                It’s not enough to support the correct idea, I also have to support the ‘correct’ narrative?

                1. No, what I’m saying is that your statement stinks of bad faith. The folks you take your cues from on these cultural issues has decided to gaslight their previous opposition to voter ID laws, and I suspect you of doing the same.

                  1. So what would convince you that I sincerely am in favor of voter ID laws?

                  2. Let me guess.
                    Nothing will convince you, because you do not read what I actually write, you instead believe the caricature in your head that I am some left-wing radical here at Reason to proselytize on behalf of progressivism, is that it?

                  3. When I write something that you disagree with, then it’s because I’m supposedly a left-wing radical.
                    And when I write something that you do agree with, then it’s because I’m arguing in bad faith, lying, and otherwise gaslighting, because I’m supposedly a left-wing radical.

                    Damned either way, is that about the moral of the story then?

                    So what would convince you that I’m not a left-wing radical pushing progressivism?

                    1. So what would convince you that I’m not a left-wing radical pushing progressivism?
                      Ooh!Ooh! I know!
                      Stop pushing progressivism.

          4. And let me be more direct.

            I favor a voter ID system in which the burden for obtaining an ID rests almost entirely on the government, and not on the citizen. Would you favor such a system? Yes or no? If no, why not?

            1. Yes. You support an impossible to have system where the government goes door to door with dmv people handing people checks for their time as they verify their identity.

              Again, you’re full of shit.

        2. Haha. Sooooo many “stealth” hobgoblins out there to keep track of.

          Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair! ™

      2. And, could you answer the above questions? Do you view voting as a right, or a privilege?

        1. Voting, since it requires the willing participation of others, simply cannot be a right.

          We do call it a ‘civil right,’ but this is simply a new term for what the Constitution called a privilege.

          1. Voting, since it requires the willing participation of others, simply cannot be a right.

            Sure it can. It’s just not a negative right, like the right to free speech.

            We do call it a ‘civil right,’ but this is simply a new term for what the Constitution called a privilege.

            The Constitution as amended does refer to “the right to vote”. So not even the Constitution refers to it as a mere privilege.

            But if you think voting ought to be a privilege, then what are the conditions or qualifications that you think potential voters ought to meet in order to be afforded the privilege of voting?

            1. Screw your ‘negative’ right sophistry. There are rights and then there is everything else. Everything else is not a right.

              The Constitutional “right to vote” you cite presumes an election.

              Or do we all have an individual right to election?

              It’s all privilege. Get over it.

              1. Screw your ‘negative’ right sophistry. There are rights and then there is everything else. Everything else is not a right.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights

                So when the Sixth Amendment says, “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial,…” what precisely is being referred to in this phrase? Not a right?

                You are letting your CDS (chemjeff derangement syndrome) get the best of you.

                1. “what precisely is being referred to in this phrase?”

                  A right.

                  The right to a “speedy trial” is the same right as the right that protects event you and anyone else from any sort of unlawful or unjust detainment. In this case it is just specific to an accused person. Because to allow an accused to languish without trial is the same as there never being a trial.

                  You really are really dumb.

                  1. But a “right to a speedy trial” is a positive right. Someone has to pay for the judges and lawyers and jurors, and usually that’s taxpayers.

                    So would a “right to vote” be in a similar vein? A positive right that is implemented at public expense?

                    1. “But a “right to a speedy trial” is a positive right. Someone has to pay for the judges and lawyers and jurors, and usually that’s taxpayers.”

                      No it is not a ‘positive right’ no matter what you may have read. The right to speedy trial is the same as the right to trial (surely you have heard “justice delayed is justice denied)) which is the same as the right to not be unlawfully or unjustly detained, which is all part of the right to privacy/right to be left alone. I’ve already made that clear. You are, as you always do, willfully ignoring that which you find inconvenient. Because you are a dishonest weak minded little fuck.

                    2. So you are just going to ignore that in order for the “right to a speedy trial” to be fulfilled, that there must be judges and lawyers and jurors who must be compensated (generally by the state) to work on behalf of the court to conduct such a trial?

                      The ‘right to be left alone’ is a negative right because it doesn’t require anything of anyone, simply the absence of action by everyone else. But a ‘right to a speedy trial’ is a positive right because it requires the deliberate action of a whole host of people in order to see that right protected and fulfilled. The two rights are not synonymous.

                      It is the same with the ‘right to vote’. Someone has to pay for printing the ballots and counting the ballots and renting establishments on Election Day. That’s generally taxpayers who pay for it. That is why it’s a positive right.

                      I’m right, you know I’m right, but you can’t admit it because that would be conceding defeat to a ‘fly’ and your ego can’t handle that.

                    3. Chemjeff is a fucking idiot.

                      The right to trial presupposes action upon an individual by the state and/or state actors.
                      If the state is going to act upon an individual, that individual has the right to various responses. The State then has a duty to fulfill the requirements it initiated by taking action upon the individual.

                    4. chemjeff ticks me off most days and I call him out every time I can, however I think he is correct… I’m still thinking it through, but it [right to a speedy trial] seems to be a positive right by its definition.

              2. But more to the point, if you view voting to be a privilege, then what should be the requirements that citizens have to meet in order to have earned the privilege of voting?

                1. “what should be the requirements that citizens have to meet in order to have earned the privilege of voting?”

                  Well, citizenship, obviously.

                  So really you are only begging the question of what is citizenry. Because having decided that you also have the answer to your own question.

                  Lord you are thick.

                  1. Well, citizenship, obviously.

                    Is that it? The only requirement? So the individual in this article, who is being prosecuted because he voted while on parole in violation of Texas law, you would agree that the law in question is unjust and he should have his right to vote respected by the state of Texas, then?

                    1. “Is that it? The only requirement?”

                      Boy, you are dense. If you cannot follow what I wrote then re-read it or ask for help. It’s not complicated.

                      The answer is: The citizenry decides. If they do not like excluding felons then they can see to having the law changed.

        2. It’s both. Your question creates an unnecessary distinction.

          1. Sophistry! It’s what jeff does! When he’s not being outright dishonest.

          2. How can something be both a right and a privilege?

            1. They aren’t.

              But you already made that clear when you had to posit ‘negatives’ and ‘positives.’

              You are too dumb to keep up with your own arguments.

              1. They aren’t.

                Maybe you should take that up with ML then, who seems to think that voting is both a right and a privilege.

                You really are irrationally angry at me, aren’t you?

                1. Nothing irrational about swatting an annoying fly. Especially a persistent, and persistently mendacious one.

                  Which is also entirely the extent of my ‘anger.’

                  1. Is that why you accused me of being “dumb” for an argument that I did not make, e.g., that something can be both a right and a privilege? Because you were just “swatting a fly”?

                    1. It’s not about the argument that you “did not make.” It’s that by engaging in the argument in the manner you did you were either ignoring or refuting your own prior argument.

                      That’s the dumb part.

                    2. Except a “positive right” is not the same as a privilege.

                    3. “Except a “positive right” is not the same as a privilege.”

                      I see no reason to engage you in a discussion over the meaning of meritless and meaningless terms such as ‘positive rights.’

                      Here we have rights, which we possess by dint of our existence alone. And we have privileges, which we possess for multiple reason – citizenship, residency, physical presence in a particular locale, etc.

                    4. I see no reason to engage you in a discussion over the meaning of meritless and meaningless terms such as ‘positive rights.’

                      Here is an article from FEE discussing the perils of positive rights.

                      https://fee.org/articles/the-perils-of-positive-rights/

                      They aren’t in favor of positive rights, but they do not think it is a ‘meritless’ or ‘meaningless’ term. It has meaning, they just aren’t in favor of it.

                      Is this what you mean when you think of ‘positive rights’? That it is a term that has meaning, and perhaps some merit, but you don’t agree with it?

                    5. Obama also used to speak of positive rights. Why didn’t you cite him instead of some FEE article?

                      Oh, because you are attempting to make an argument from authority.

                      LOL.

                    6. So this is where you are so intellectually fragile and uncertain of your own capacities that you won’t even consider an argument that comes from the “wrong people”. That maybe you’ll get tricked and duped into supporting a bad idea because you don’t have the intellectual chops to debate an idea on its own merits without reference to who said it and why.

                      If Obama talked about positive rights, then positive rights don’t exist, because you hate Obama. That is about the extent of your intellectual prowess here.

                    7. @ThomasD

                      I see no reason to engage you in a discussion over the meaning of meritless and meaningless terms such as ‘positive rights.’

                      If you don’t want to fight chemjeff, don’t, but to claim distinctions like positive & negative rights are meritless and meaningless shows your ignorance more than anything else as the exact opposite is true (when discussing the US Constitution).

                      Additionally outside of why those terms are meaningful, in any debate, defining major terms and agreeing upon them is always useful. It always helps to ensure you and your opponent mean the same thing when you use critical terms (which terms to be defines depends upon the scope of the debate).

                  2. Nothing irrational about swatting an annoying fly.

                    chemtard’s more like a screeching hog.

    2. For the same reason that the right to conceal carry isn’t extended to every eligible citizen with only very few exceptions?

      1. Hint: Between “right to vote” and “right to keep and bear arms” only one of those is explicitly laid out in the constitution. Guess which one is the most restricted?

        1. That is not true. Both the right to vote and the right to keep and bear arms are explicitly mentioned in the Constitution (as amended).

          But what is your point? That because the right to keep and bear arms is unevenly protected, that the right to vote should be as well?

    3. Should voting be a right, or a privilege?

      Neither. Next question.

      1. Then what would be a better description of the act of voting?

        1. An act of asserting power over other human beings, only justifiable in self-defense against such exercise of power by others, and even then, usually an act of futility. Thus, it is not a right and not really a privilege.

          1. So in your view, how should leaders of a government be decided upon?

            Do you think there should be any government at all?

            1. As long as government is limited to protection of the individual rights to Life, Liberty, and Property, I’m not particular about how it is selected. However, we are a far ways from that ideal and people use the vote to get themselves a living, so I’m really not keen with that use of the vote. The fewer who use the vote as a grift, the better.

    4. Should voting be a right, or a privilege?

      The opposite of whatever you support.

  36. https://twitter.com/MessageFromLen/status/1414438408806612995?s=19

    When oppressed people around the world express their desire for a better life, note the symbol they pick. [Photos]

    1. Obviously not a lot of NYT readers in those photos.

    2. The sad thing is since November’s coup, that symbol is starting to mean less and less.
      When dissent in the public is suppressed, the capitol occupied by troops, dissidents sitting in prison indefinitely without trial, and the media is constantly gaslighting citizens on behalf of a monolithic party apparatus, you’re no longer a beacon of freedom.

  37. Hey Dipshits,
    The USPS handles 460Million pieces of mail a day, (which is a decrease).
    80 million ballots spread over a month was not a crisis

    1. The USPS’ intelligence services had to go through each of those ballots and filter out the bad ones.

    2. Yes, but chemjeff’s narrative.

      1. Look, everyone has a right to have government agents come to their house and get your ballot from you as you sit in your recliner.

        1. And fill it out for you, if it’s too much trouble.

          1. And vaccinate you.

          2. In triplicate if you please.

            1. One for every residence you’ve ever had.

            2. Just drive you a few hours to the nearest Kinkos

    1. The most aggravating thing about this “Kamala Harris is an idiot” flap is that they’re criticizing the fact that Harris is an idiot rather than the fact that Harris is lying about being concerned about rural folks. She’s against voter ID laws because it prevents the Democrats from inventing voters and ballots in the big cities, rural areas voted for Trump. Stop making fun of her for not knowing Kinko’s has been out of business for years and thinking country folks have no access to the electricity necessary to run Xerox machines and thinking Xerox machines are still the way we send documents to one another and call her out on her lying about giving a fuck about rural folks.

      1. Gotta disagree, the most annoying thing about the Kamala is an idiot flap is that Kamala is, indeed, and idiot.

    2. I guess she thinks they just put their ID under a piece of paper and pencil over the imprint.

    3. I’ll give her props for at least not calling black people stupid this time.

  38. Cue Black Lives Matter founder referring to the protesters as “deplorables”.

    1. They just don’t understand how difficult it is to be a black woman in America.

  39. Texas man prosecuted for voting. A Texas man is facing 40 years in prison for voting while on parole. Hervis Rogers, a 62-year-old man who waited seven hours in line to vote in last year’s presidential primary, is now imprisoned on $100,000 bail as he awaits prosecution for voting illegally.

    Rogers said he mistakenly thought he was OK to vote in the primary, since he was done serving time. People who have been convicted of felonies in Texas can only vote after serving out their full sentences, including parole. But Texas also says that people must know they’re ineligible to vote for it to be considered a crime.

    Serious question, how was he able to vote?

    1. Maybe parolees are given a ID that does not require photocopying?

    2. Excellent question. It appears it’s easy to register and vote in Texas despite the left wing’s whiny little girl crying over it. Even if you’re a felon on parole.

      1. Maybe because registrars aren’t checking prison databases. While it is public information, one has to specifically search for it.

    3. well beyond easy to vote in Dallas.

    4. Whether the vote was counted is merely what the prosecution is alleging. I assume it did but the state has to prove that. If the state is limiting the franchise, then it should be the state that is responsible for making sure the admin processes are followed according to law. Not the voters for failing to know how the state fails to do its job. And the TX Attorney General is not even charging him in the county where he lived and voted. They are charging him in a neighboring county that just happens to be white

      The $100,000 bail is fucking repugnant. The bail bond fee costs 10-15% so he is going to have to eat $10-15k merely to get out of jail even if he shows and is determined not guilty or the case is dropped.

      I’ll remember this Paxton guy if he ever tries for national office. Everything about him screams evil piece of shit.

  40. Swap the Democratic Socialists and teachers unions for Hong Kong and Cuban freedom fighters.

    1. I’d throw in most journalists in exchange for Afghan translators.

  41. Worthwhile thread:

    https://twitter.com/WhyWherever/status/1413705439901069314?s=19

    I’m a naval officer who’s spent the last 15 years on active duty. I’m now potentially facing forcible discharge if I won’t submit to taking the COVID vaccine. Here’s a thread on just what a scandal that is. All data claims will be linked. 1/x

    1. They did the same thing with experimental vaccines during Gulf War I. Didn’t turn out so well for a lot of soldiers.

      1. Yeah, although the vaccines can probably be taken with decent confidence now, due to how many have gotten it, the military’s adventures with the anthrax vaccine in the 90s and early 2000s, or the swine flu vaccine in 1976, should be taken into account before making any non-certified vaccine mandatory.

  42. > A Texas man is facing 40 years in prison for voting while on parole.

    One cannot form an opinion on this without first knowing if he voted for or against Trump. It’s not fraud if he voted for Trump, it’s evidence of massive systemic fraud if he voted for anyone else.

    1. Sarc already made this stupid joke.

      1. Weird how the two lefties made the same strawman/projection.

  43. >>January 6th rioters …

    lol move on dot org.

  44. Biggest losers in trade 2018-21:

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/australias-disastrous-trade-decisions-may-take-decades-to-repair,15284

    Spoiler – it is the USA and United Kingdom at the bottom

    1. IA supports independent, non-partisan politics and as a matter of editorial policy, we ensure that our editors are not members of any political party.

      Independent Australia is a progressive journal.

      Enough said.

      1. It is too bad that wingnut.com won’t report on the trade disaster Trump has been.

        You know, media bias and all.

        1. Reason does that quite fine.

      2. If you didn’t have time to read the whole article, I can give you the tl;dr version.

        1) OrangeManBad. Although what exactly Trump had to do with Australia’s trade numbers isn’t clear.

        2) Australia’s trade position is in the shitter, they’re only 11th in the rankings, slightly above average for the countries surveyed.

        3) Australia’s trade position wouldn’t be in the shitter if only they were friendlier with China.

        Not mentioned in the article, one main category of Australia’s exports to China that took a big hit: Coal. Clean, renewable, environmentally-friendly coal.

        1. 3) Australia’s trade position wouldn’t be in the shitter if only they were friendlier with China.

          I’m guessing most of the list will correlate with this, no? UK being an obvious outlier with the Brexit fallout.

          It’s no longer about economics on this count: the west needs to disentangle itself from China and we’re going to have to eat a lot of shit to get there. To date we’ve been selling them the rope with which they plan to hang us.

        2. turd never reads his own links; they commonly say the opposite of what the brain-damaged shit supposes

  45. Statement by President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. on Protests in Cuba
    JULY 12, 2021

    STATEMENTS AND RELEASES
    We stand with the Cuban people and their clarion call for freedom and relief from the tragic grip of the pandemic and from the decades of repression and economic suffering to which they have been subjected by Cuba’s authoritarian regime. The Cuban people are bravely asserting fundamental and universal rights. Those rights, including the right of peaceful protest and the right to freely determine their own future, must be respected. The United States calls on the Cuban regime to hear their people and serve their needs at this vital moment rather than enriching themselves.
    ###

    Read that last sentence. Asshole’s doing just that thru his asshole son openly.
    We have peaceful protesters locked up still after half a year.

  46. “A federal judge has granted an injunction against Texas’s new law making it illegal for 18-20 years olds to work at strip clubs, temporarily allowing them to go back to work.”

    18-20 years old’s might be too young to have a beer, but they’re not too young to peel for His Honors 56th birthday party.

  47. “The Volokh Conspiracy explains the logic behind a new trademark law ruling. “The Trademark Trial and Appeal Board rejects the mark ‘Nigga’ for clothing, because it’s so commonly used by others that it doesn’t serve to identify the applicant’s products”

    So who had the bright idea to name a clothing line something the largest percentage of the population cannot say without the risk of being socially destroyed?

    1. That’s probably the point.

  48. No doubt the Cuban insurrectionists are carrying assault zip ties.

  49. I thought that the “magic” of communism made it so that nobody ever had to produce anything. Or was that the “magic” of socialism. I forget.

  50. When Dawkin’s “The God Delusion” was translated into Arabic and posted online for free, it got 10 million downloads. Someone should translate Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom” into Spanish and put it up for Cubans, Venezeulans, Peruvians, Bolivians and others to read.

      1. So doctors could afford it in just one month.

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