Body Cameras

North Carolina Releases Body Camera Footage of Deputies Killing Fleeing Suspect

State investigators say shooting justified because Andrew Brown Jr. drove toward law enforcement to escape arrest.

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A North Carolina prosecutor today said that deputies were justified when they shot and killed Andrew Brown Jr. as he attempted to flee officers in a car. District Attorney Andrew Womble held a press conference to share findings from the State Bureau of Investigation clearing the deputies. Womble also showed body camera video clips from four of the deputies on the scene.

Brown was shot and killed by deputies in Elizabeth City in Pasquotank County, North Carolina, as they raided his home on April 21. The officers had a search warrant for his arrest and were looking for drugs. The encounter ended with Brown getting shot five times while driving away from the police. Authorities said he made contact with the deputies with his vehicle, which justified the use of deadly force. Family members disputed this claim, insisting that Brown presented no threat to the deputies and was just trying to get away.

Complicating the situation are North Carolina public records laws that generally exempt law enforcement body camera footage. Only a judge has the authority to order camera footage to be made available to the public. Initially, even Brown's family was provided only a short clip of the incident.

The footage can be viewed here. The clips show the deputies arriving on Brown's property in a truck bed and then running toward a car Brown was already sitting in. Chatter at the start of a clip makes it clear that they already know he's in the car. The deputies have their guns out, pointed at Brown and the car. Brown backs up in the vehicle, then turns and attempts to drive away. In doing so, he does head toward a deputy, who backs away from the car and then reaches out with his arm and makes contact with the car. The car then careens away from the deputies as they fire on him. He travels about 50 feet before the car rolls to a stop.

While the video does appear to show the car "coming into contact" with deputies, it's also reasonable to observe that the deputies surrounded his car so that any attempt by Brown to flee the scene would require driving toward a deputy, and thus justify shooting him regardless of whether he intended to harm an officer. Womble actually acknowledged this in the press conference—that the only way Brown could flee was through the deputies—and said he didn't think Brown was actually trying to strike them.

The release of the video is important, even though it doesn't settle the question of whether the deputies' use of force was justified. Is this an example of how law enforcement escalates confrontations in ways that are likely to end up with citizens getting hurt or killed unnecessarily? Is it an example of unrealistic expectations that are the result of a drug war that gives no quarter? Would the manner by which the deputies attempted to arrest Brown have been appropriate if he had been wanted for violent crimes instead of drugs?

Womble told reporters at the press conference that the deputies did not have the option to let Brown drive away because "law enforcement are duty-bound," and delivering the warrant and arresting Brown "was their job on that particular day."

If "duty" currently requires police practices that can so easily escalate to killing a man over small amounts of drugs, perhaps we should redefine the concept. North Carolina, meanwhile, should definitely revisit the law it passed restricting public access to on-body cameras.

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  2. The release of the video is important, even though it doesn’t settle the question of whether the deputies’ use of force was justified.

    That the warrant was drug-related is all the justification needed.

    1. That there was a warrant, and he was the one named in the warrant makes him a fleeing fugitive.

      Not a “fleeing suspect.”

      1. If the writers here were honest in their presentation, and stuck to actual libertarian principles (like what you noted about the situation) then they wouldn’t have to resort to stupid self discrediting shit like they do.

      2. Warrants should not be issued, nor should cops be allowed to use violence, over what adults choose to put into their own bodies.

  3. While the video does appear to show the car “coming into contact” with deputies, it’s also reasonable to observe that the deputies surrounded his car so that any attempt by Brown to flee the scene would require driving toward a deputy, and thus justify shooting him regardless of whether he intended to harm an officer.

    I don’t think that’s accurate. Is anything justified as long as you’re just trying to get away from the cops? If he ran over a child just because he was trying to get away from police, is that justified?

    Also, some editorial attention is needed. The article says they had a “search warrant for his arrest and were looking for drugs.” Were they executing an arrest warrant, or were they executing a search warrant? I think it’s an important difference.

    1. That is a bigger deal than first glance might find.

      Search warrants specify a place and the sorts of contraband that are expected to be found.

      Arrest warrants name a person.

      If all they had was a search warrant and they instead immediately went after a person then none of their subsequent actions may be justified.

      The facts (from the linked article) are that they had both an arrest warrant for him AND search warrants.

      This place needs an editor something fierce, because the writers suck.

      Oh wait, Shackford is an editor…

    2. I think the point is that possessing a small amount of drugs shouldn’t get someone killed. So yes would have been better to let him get away than to shoot him. I think we’d all agree this would have been disproportionate if it were over an unpaid parking ticket; we’d also agree it would probably have been justified if it were over a violent crime. So this is about deescalating war on drugs and not treating drug possession as a crime that must be prosecuted as ruthlessly as murder.

    3. Exactly. The situation here is to just stop, surrender, and put your hands up. Not to try to flee.

      Doesn’t matter if the cops surrounded him – he doesn’t have the right to run them over.

  4. “it’s also reasonable to observe that the deputies surrounded his car so that any attempt by Brown to flee the scene would require driving toward a deputy, and thus justify shooting him regardless of whether he intended to harm an officer.” Of course, it’s totally unreasonable to assume the deputies surrounded his car because they had a warrant for his arrest and didn’t want him to evade said arrest.

    1. Weird standard being advocated, there. Apparently it’s the duty of officers to leave suspects an avenue of escape in case they don’t want to be arrested?

    2. They (presumably) had justification to arrest him. They had ample justification to add charges for attempting to flee. They did not have justification to deliberately and unnecessarily put themselves in harms way to arrest a (from the reports so far) non-violent arrestee. They most certainly did not have justification to use their own decision to put themselves at unnecessary risk to escalate to deadly force.

      If he’d driven at the deputy, it might be different. But the deputy put his arm in the way. That arm wasn’t going to stop the car. It was a pretext to begin shooting. That’s not the level of “serve and protect” that I want from the cops in my kids’ neighborhood.

      1. If he’d driven at the deputy, it might be different. But the deputy put his arm in the way. That arm wasn’t going to stop the car. It was a pretext to begin shooting.

        They are specifically trained what to do before they commit murder. Yell “Stop resisting” while they beat someone do death. Step in front of a car before they shoot the driver.
        And then there’s the boilerplate they put into their reports which all read the same because they’re all works of fiction.
        “Clenched fists” “Stiffened body” “Eyes were red and bloody” “Drove the vehicle towards the officer” “Saw a weapon”
        All bullshit. But the prosecutors and judges eat it up because they’re all on the same team.

        1. Holy fuck youre broken.

          1. And you are a bigoted, obsolete cop succor.

            Open wider, JesseAz. Your betters are not nearly done shoving progress down your whining right-wing throat.

            1. That makes no sense in this thread. What culture being discussed will be rammed down his throat? Do you even know what’s being discussed, or do you just copypaste?

              This is why your comments are ineffective, and you’re a joke here. We literally laugh at you out of contempt for your idiocy.

              You might have even had a spurious point if you just labeled him racist, but you’re too stupid even for that

      2. You need to go back and read the article. There were accounts of the man having resisted previous arrests with violence. This was not his first rodeo. Furthermore, he wasn’t driving a 1972 Pinto, was he? He’s driving a new inexpensive BMW, which I think we can safely assume was part of the benefits of his trade.

        1. “He’s driving a new inexpensive BMW”

          Something is wrong with this statement.

          1. Android talk-to-type. New AND expensive.

        2. What he was doing should not have been illegal anyway.

      3. They have every justification to put themselves in harms way to arrest him. He had no justification to flee.

        I’m no fan of police, but the cops did nothing wrong here. The dead guy did.

  5. Well at least he won’t have to take the SAT.

  6. Those cops act all hard with their guns and tactics and then they claim they were scared of a vehicle. Fucking liars.

    1. Being run over isn’t a valid concern?

      1. They can’t step out of the way?

        1. No not necessarily.

          I have no problem with cops firing at cars evading arrest. Its a deadly weapon.

          Don’t want to get shot? Don’t try to run people over.

        2. If the car is going fast enough that they can’t step out of the way, shooting at the driver will not stop the car. It will coast 50 feet or more after the dead driver’s foot slips off the gas pedal. Any cop who was actually in danger before shooting the driver is still in danger – and with less time to run.

  7. “While the video does appear to show the car “coming into contact” with deputies, it’s also reasonable to observe that the deputies surrounded his car so that any attempt by Brown to flee the scene would require driving toward a deputy, and thus justify shooting him regardless of whether he intended to harm an officer.”

    Because something can be interpreted in some way doesn’t mean it should be interpreted in that way, and assuming that any cop willfully participated in surrounding a vehicle in the hope that a fleeing suspect would hit him with a car is ridiculous.

    Seek professional help for anxiety or paranoia.

    1. P.S. Scientists don’t wake up every morning and think to themselves, “Now what can I do to disprove the six-day creation story today?” That’s just the paranoid delusions of some creationists.

      1. Though many police officers wake up every morning and think to themselves “Maybe this my lucky day and I’ll get to kill someone.”

        1. Actually, that’s the kind of thinking I’m ridiculing–you just need to add the part about how they put themselves in front of cars because they want to be hit by a fleeing suspect so they can shoot at somebody.

          1. Oh no, no, no. They don’t try to be hit. That would be dangerous.
            They just get in front enough to create risk, and that’s their rubber stamp to start shooting.

            1. Are you retarded? I am not a bootlicker. I want cops to be held accountable (see Mazzatello) for shit like shooting Daniel Shaver. Your drunken posts don’t advance any argument, and hinder the discussion.

              1. Totally agree. Shaver and this shooting are two different ones.

        2. Youre broken. A sad leftist.

          1. You are an illiterate clinger who will spend the rest of his bigoted, bitter days complying with the preferences of better Americans.

            You get to whimper about it all you want, though.

            1. You’re a gimpfaggot who gets to post when your master lets you out of your box. Probably a reward when you open wide and take it. From either end.

        3. Though many police officers wake up every morning and think to themselves “Maybe this my lucky day and I’ll get to kill someone.”

          Define many. And then provide a citation.

    2. OTOH – they all had their guns drawn and then surrounded the car leaving their own people within each other’s lines of fire.

      These are not exactly the best and brightest and obviously don’t actually train for this shit.

      Buncha cowboys. And because of this lack of training and discipline, a man is dead.

      ‘Highly trained professionals’.

  8. Saying that the police got in his way as he was just trying to flee isn’t really a great argument. I don’t think there is a right to flee…

    It’s weird to me that cases where there clearly is resisting arrest get so much attention, while others where the person obviously isn’t, do not.

    1. ^

    2. BINGO

  9. I think we really need to question why we have cops going around like it’s a military operation getting a guy on drug charges. Talk about escalation- a guy tweaked out and sees 4 guys hop out of the back of a truck with guns drawn? I’m really not surprised someone would be wanting to get out of there.

    Call the shooting justified or not but this war on drugs is absolutely absurd. Doesn’t even start to include how militarized police have become where it’s a war between them and other parts of society.

    1. We need the police to force accused criminals to come to trial and face their accusers in theft, rape, murder, robbery, and arson cases, too.

      1. And 99.9% of the time that can be accomplished peacefully.

        They don’t do armed raids when they think the situation could be dangerous. They wait it out. Remember how they caught Whitey Bulger? They tricked him into leaving his apartment and then surrounded him on foot outside. Why? Because that motherfucker was fucking dangerous, and a raid would have truly endangered police lives.

        SWAT type raids are done for fun, not officer safety.

        1. You’re slipping, sarcasmic. That wasn’t sarcastic at all.

          1. He is a leftist and broken.

        2. I hope you live in a state that allows assisted suicide. So you can get the help you need.

    2. You need to go back and read the article. There were accounts of the man having resisted previous arrests with violence. This was not his first rodeo. Furthermore, he wasn’t driving a 1972 Pinto, was he? He’s driving a new inexpensive BMW, which I think we can safely assume was part of the benefits of his trade.

  10. The video footage you linked doesn’t appear to show the suspect backing into an officer. It just appears to show the car pulling forward. Other sources are saying that the suspect backed the car into an officer, and once he ran over an officer, the other cops cam to believe that he was trying to run them over.

    “District Attorney Andrew Womble said in a news conference that Mr. Brown backed his car away from a team of officers seeking to arrest him, striking one of the officers. He said Mr. Brown also put the car in drive and was headed toward two other officers when deputies began shooting. He said it was appropriate and legal for deputies to fire their weapons because of their perception that the car was being used as a deadly weapon.

    —-Wall Street Journal

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/police-shooting-of-andrew-brown-in-was-justified-north-carolina-district-attorney-says-11621352048?

    1. I do not see the suspect backing up in the video. Maybe that’s because it didn’t happen, and maybe that’s because it wasn’t captured on that one video.

      1. It could have been clipped out, time-wise.

  11. Remember the standard is “feared for your life” . Have any of you ever genuinely feared for your life? And if surrounding a car, by choice, is so fucking dangerous which it obviously isn’t, then why would these cops choose to put themselves in that situation when they could have waited?

  12. There’s a difference between cops jumping in front of a vehicle and a driver driving towards an officer.

    Pretty sure this was the former.

    But that’s what cops are trained to do. They jump in front of a car with guns drawn, and then immediately open fire. At that point they get to commit murder, which is the reason many people join the force. Think I’m exaggerating? Try being a fly on the wall while a sounder has some drinks. Last time I did that one drunk cop was complaining that he’d never had a chance to kill someone, and his buddies consoled him, telling him he’d get his chance. Then there was the excited trading of stories about choking people. They love to choke people. It’s like killing someone over and over. Disgusting creatures. I don’t even consider them to be human.

    1. That’s fine sarcaic… I assure you, the cops most definitely don’t think of you as anybody worthy of any respect. For that matter, I agree with him on that.
      For the record, I think your little story is full of shit. For starters, cops drink in cop bars and they don’t get drunk any place else. Too much chance of some clown like you sitting around

      1. It happens that I was a cook at a bar that cops would frequent, and I heard some sick shit while I was having my shift drink after cleaning the kitchen.

        If you want to make it personal, that’s fine. I can easily mute you. Or we can talk about what I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears.

        1. Lol. The lies you use to justify your leftist shit.

    2. That’s fine sarcasmic… I assure you, the cops most definitely don’t think of you as anybody worthy of any respect. For that matter, I agree with them on that.
      For the record, I think your little story is full of shit. For starters, cops drink in cop bars and they don’t get drunk any place else. Too much chance of some clown like you sitting around

    3. I’m just waiting for a cop to be run over and killed by a car with a dead man at the wheel. A car doesn’t stop because the driver died. When his foot slips off the accelerator, the car will slow and maybe stop eventually – but not in time to save an idiot that was standing right in front and shooting instead of running to one side or the other. If you lower your aim to the engine, and if you are using a gun heavy enough to crack the engine block, and you are lucky enough to hit the block, you’ll still probably be run over. The automatic transmissions in most cars will let the car coast even though the engine is no longer turning. In any case, if you fired a shot and then avoided being hit by the car, you had more than enough time to avoid being hit.

      So either officer safety was never the reason for shooting at a moving car, or the officers involved were too ignorant to be allowed out in public.

  13. Sounds like a good shoot* (don’t plan to watch unless someone I trust** says otherwise). NC should really look at revising their legislation on body cams, heard much about this from law enforcement and the family having 2 different takes for a week(s) and now that it has been released everyone can see for themselves that they didn’t execute him. Compare that to the recent Ohio knife wielding teen shooting and they should see the value of releasing these as soon as possible.

    *except for that it was over drugs but that is besides the point once he starts driving at the officers
    **probably not you

    1. >>once he starts driving at the officers

      disagree this is grounds for shooting gallery.

      1. Granted, he wasn’t nearly as threatening as a middle aged unarmed woman climbing through a broken transom.

        But still, you can never be too safe.

        1. Bad dead horse! Bad! I’m gonna beat you! I’m gonna beat you some more!

          1. So long as Reason continues to parade it’s blatant double standard this horse will never die.

            Unlike the credibility of the writers.

            Flaming hypocrites.

            1. Then it’s never going to die, and you’re just going to end up muted for being repetitive and tiresome like Sevo.

              Don’t be a Sevo.

              1. Not a sarcasmic mute. Oh nooooeeessss.

                And here we sarcasmics decline into Hihnhood. /narrator.

                1. He won’t mute me.

                  1. He can’t resist seeing people talk about him. Part of his charm.

                    I do find it cute that Kirkland is now protecting him. What good company he keeps lol.

                    1. And yet his comments are copypasta. Which make no sense in context.

                      Arty is a moron and a crackpot. It’s fun to humiliate him.

      2. It does take Red Army soldier-sized balls to get downrange of your fellow cops shooting at a fugitive. Holy circular firing squad, Batman.

  14. Not sure what was going through his head thinking what he was doing was going to end well for him.

  15. Now tell us about the Ashli Babbitt video and the decision to not bring charges.

    The cops had her surrounded too.

    Only she had no two ton deadly weapon.

    Well Shackford?????

    You chickenshit.

    1. Jesus Fucking H Christ, get over it.

      1. You support those cops. Can’t figure out why….

      2. No statute of limitations.

        Not over.

        Get over that.

        1. Well nanny nanny boo boo back acha!

          1. There’s that intelligent discussion sarcasmiv advocates for.

          2. You’re such a fucking leftist hypocrite. Jesse nails you every time.

            You just embarrass yourself every time you comment.

            1. Well thank you.

      3. Again I think this is an example of people judging the police’s actions based on the moral character of the victim.

        If the victim is a “thug” or a “career criminal” or whatnot, then the police is given wide discretion in its actions. But if the victim is a cute coed, military veteran, etc., then the police’s actions are scrutinized far more intensely. As if it is “more okay” to violate someone’s rights if the victim is a “bad person”.

        Rights don’t depend on one’s moral worth or moral standing. Rights are inherent and even the scummiest of scumbags have them. Something to think about when right-wingers continually complain about how Ashli Babbitt was treated by the police, while dismissively overlooking how George Floyd was treated by the police, or how Andrew Brown, Jr., was treated by the police.

  16. >>reaches out with his arm and makes contact with the car

    like Cristiano Ronaldo looking for a free kick.

    1. Using “contact” with the car that the deputy deliberately initiated like that as justification for shooting him really, really doesn’t work.

    2. Then they went full Suarez.

      1. They bit him?

        1. good lord that guy is fugly.

  17. I’m not sure why we want residential neighborhoods shot up by paramilitary police just so they can get a bust. In England, police typically are unarmed. They’ll get whoever it is eventually anyway, so I’m not sure the benefit to society, which is funding, of this over the top fireworks. Wasn’t Capone nabbed for tax evasion?

    1. Why bother at all? Just put arrest warrant compliance on the honor system. After all, they’ll eventually turn themselves in. And if they rape, murder and steal in the interim, no big deal, right?

  18. From the sound of it, this guy was a career criminal. Since it clearly was not his first rodeo, he knows the rules. Run from the cops, resist or attempt to injure them, and you risk being shot and killed.
    Play stupid games, when stupid prizes. Maybe when these people stop and think to themselves “Gee, I’m busted, going to have to go to court. Maybe then fewer of them will be shot.“
    As for all of you supporting this criminal, quite frankly, you’re all shit, and need to reconsider your values.
    This site is called reason, but a lot of you clearly don’t have any.

    1. drug charge and BMW (or Pinto) hardly grounds for firing squad. go State!

    2. Libertarians question criminal laws that don’t have a victim. Tell me, who is the victim when someone willingly buys a prohibited chemical? Rhetorical question. There is no victim.

      Libertarians also question paramilitary tactics used by police while enforcing victimless crimes, as well as the WAR ON COPS mentality that conditions police officers to go into every situation believing someone’s going to drill them with a machine gun.

      Know why Dangerous Occupations lists are usually top 20, not top 10? Because police officer doesn’t make the top 10. In many cases it doesn’t even make the top 20.

      1. This guy had plenty of victims dumbass.

        1. If you are calling adults who chose to buy drugs from Brown “victims”, you don’t know what the word means.

    3. I like having conversations with people who have different points of view. But when it ceases to be a conversation and becomes personal, then I know I’m dealing with a troll.

      Thankfully Reason has provided a Mute User function that allows those of us who don’t make everything personal a way to ignore trolls who do.

      So tell me, Canadian Seaman. You a conversationalist, or are you a troll?

      1. Totally read that last line in vintage Eastwood. “You feeling lucky today?”

        1. Nah. No luck. He can act like JesseAz and be muted for using the word “you” in every sentence. Or he can have conversations about ideas, without personal attacks.

          By the way, all the cool kids have muted him. You should too.

          1. Lol. Remember when you cried about the gop speaking from emotion? Look at this thread. All you di is use emotion and talk about the mute button.

            Plain hilarious.

      2. You are the troll hihn.

        1. *snickers*

        2. Isn’t Hihn dead?

          1. He’s like a Libertarian Jedi Force Ghost.

          2. We are watching version 2.0s creation in real time. Sarcasmic is already advertising lists openly in multiple threads. That is stage one.

    4. From the sound of it, this guy was a career criminal.

      So what? That doesn’t give the police license to murder him on the street.

      This is just another example of trying to justify what the police did based on the presumed moral status of the victim. As if only “good people” deserve to be treated respectfully by the police.

      1. You said cops can shoot people for trespassing….

        1. Jeff’s ok if cops shoot people for defying his democrat masters. They are never to be questioned. Hence his appearances here.

          A scumbag career criminal? Not to be interfered with! It’s not like she’s an unarmed war vet trespassing. That necessitates an immediate execution.

          He’s also ok with child molesters from foreign countries relocating here. By his own admission.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist
        February.9.2021 at 8:56 am
        Flag Comment Mute User
        What is there to talk about?

        From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers.

        1. LOL

          So tell us Jeff, how does Federal footwear taste?

          Bootlicker.

          1. He’s a democrat drone, yet claims to be libertarian. Such a lying, weasely pedophie loving piece of shit.

          2. So tell us, what does the victim’s prior criminal history have to do with the police using lethal force in this instance?

            1. The point is you had no problem with them using lethal force on Ashli Babbit. Who was unarmed.

            2. He was literally using a car to forcefully flee police. He had violent actions in the past.

              How is this less offensive to you than an unarmed person trespassing??

            3. “What does past behavior have to do with expectations of future behavior?”

      3. I think he was shot because of his intent not his record or morals. Fleeing even if it means running over a cop is bad intent. If the police had simply ran out of the way and during the highspeed chase the criminal had ended the life of a few people you would have been reversing your story with the cops cowardly allowed him to escape and endanger civilians after having him surrounded. Or maybe you think endangering people during a highspeed chase is also ok or maybe they should have just allowed him to escape?

  19. Instead of having “The Conversation” with their children, black parents should sit them down and watch Chris Rock’s “How To Not Get Your Ass Kicked By the Police” sketch. It’s on YouTube.

    Lots of people would still be alive if they had seen it and taken its advice.

    1. That bit was done years ago, and is spot on today. But when liberals and media are telling all minorities the police are the enemy out to beat and kill them. More will fight back, or run. The danger for both criminals and officers has been greatly increased by the rhetoric.

  20. There’s a lot to split the difference on here, and I genuinely think this. I’m not just saying: “bOth SiDeS!”

    To all who engage in “capitalist acts between consenting adults:” Do NOT resist Ossifer Friendly, even if he isn’t too friendly!

    Play along with the arrest, jail, bail, and trial, and you might live to be the U.S. Supreme Court test case that strikes down “victimless crime” laws (or at least one “victimless crime” law) forever!

    At the very least, you could get a massive settlement and maybe get to experience what it’s like to own some one-horse, hick-burgh town that needs some libertarian sprucing up Sim City-style!

    And to all the Ossifer Friendlies out there taking on genuinely dangerous people: Sun Tzu once said: “The wise general wins without fighting.” Likewise, the wise Ossifer Friendly wins without a shoot-’em-up siege or a high-speed chase!

    If you have a bead on a suspect and/or have a warrant out for his arrest, don’t corner him like a rat or he’ll fight his hardest! And don’t try catching him when he’s behind the wheel of a 2,000+ pound bullet either!

    Instead, back off, hide, let him think he’s safe enough to put his guard down and get out of his element and away from his rolling safe space. After that, approach quietly, then pincer or swarm him when he’s jogging, in the store, or at a dental appointment! This makes for the least risk for everyone– the suspect, fellow Ossifers, civilians, and you!

    Together, when everyone follows all of this advice, everything will be SWELL!

  21. They shot him in the back of the head. That’s pretty hard to do if the car is coming towards you.

    1. Defense of a third party is a thing, Ice.

    2. He turned his head. That makes it a lot easier. They also shot at him from three different angles and after he had passed the cop he hit.

  22. I don’t think that’s accurate. Is anything justified as long as you’re just trying to get away from the cops? If he ran over a child just because he was trying to get away from police, is that justified?

    Also, some editorial attention is needed. The article says they had a “search warrant for his arrest and were looking for drugs.” Were they executing an arrest warrant, or were they
    https://wapexclusive.com ,executing a search warrant? I think it’s an important difference.

  23. Watched the video, two things:

    1. What is with this pickup truck full of cops with rifles rolling into a driveway and shouting “go go go” like they’re after Osama bin Laden? These guys weren’t looking to arrest someone with that loadout, they were looking to shoot someone, and shoot someone they did.

    2. Fleeing from the cops is never a good idea and there’s no reason they should leave you an avenue to flee. That’s ridiculous. If there’s a warrant out for his arrest they should be taking measures to box in the suspect and its entirely reasonable for them to start shooting when the target of said warrant attempts to flee.

    So yes, I’d say the shooting was justified but the cops definitely deserve some partial blame for setting up a situation that so easily escalated into shooting.

    1. “…but the cops definitely deserve some partial blame for setting up a situation that so easily escalated into shooting.”

      See, Tamir Rice, and oh so many others.

  24. While the video does appear to show the car “coming into contact” with deputies, it’s also reasonable to observe that the deputies surrounded his car so that any attempt by Brown to flee the scene would require driving toward a deputy, and thus justify shooting him regardless of whether he intended to harm an officer.

    Or, he could’ve, you know, surrendered and cooperated with police.

  25. “If “duty” currently requires police practices that can so easily escalate to killing a man over small amounts of drugs, perhaps we should redefine the concept.”

    Confronting criminals ALWAYS has the ability to escalate to a life or death situation. Stop victim blaming police for doing their jobs.

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