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Democrats Demand Social Media Users Talking Politics Disclose Certain Foreign Connections

Plus: The era of sovereign influencers, a new experiment in universal basic income, and more...

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The lingering effects of "Russian influence" hysteria are still being felt. While Facebook is ending a ban on political advertising that was enacted amid moral panic about overseas influence in U.S. elections, Democrats in Congress are still pushing regulations and restrictions based on the idea that simply seeing foreign people's speech about U.S. issues and elections is bad for feeble-minded Americans and dangerous to our democracy.

Russian bot operations undoubtedly tried to stir up mayhem and inflame partisan passions during the 2016 presidential election, but the effects of that attempted chaos-sowing are way less clear (and less common) than Democrats—incredulous that Hillary Clinton could've lost to Donald Trump in a fair election—liked to pretend. And apparently, this delusion is still driving Democratic policy proposals in Congress. On Wednesday, the House passed a measure to require all politics-related social media posts from "an agent of a foreign principal" to bear a disclaimer saying as much.

The Foreign Agent Disclaimer Enhancement (FADE) Act of 2021, introduced by Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D–Va.), passed the House yesterday as part of a larger voting rights and election-related bill called the For the People Act (which only one Democrat and all Republicans in the House voted against).

The FADE Act states:


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The era of the sovereign influencer. The latest Pirate Wires, a newsletter by Founders Fund's Mike Solana, has a really interesting section on "the new class" of social media and the rise of the "sovereign influencer." Solana posits that platforms are enabling a certain sort of "cancel-proof" and transferable social media experience:

Over the last decade, companies that focused on things like creator monetization, creator control, and certainly any kind of alternative, cancel-proof social media all generated trivial amounts of revenue by comparison to the social media giants. They still do. But companies focused on the dominance of sovereign influencers are riding the most important trend in media, while social media incumbents are almost incapable of capitalizing on the trend without disrupting their own dominance. In the technology industry, the dynamic at work here is legendary. A decade ago, when I first learned "Silicon Valley" was an actual place, rather than a metaphor, and began my journey with Founders Fund, I picked up a book called the Innovator's Dilemma. Long, fascinating story short: large and powerful companies are pressured by the market into obsessive focus on their core business, even when leadership is cognizant of new and important technology trends just outside their company's core competency. A few of these trends become tidal waves that reshape our world, and smaller companies better equipped to capitalize on new trends ride the waves to new and more significant markets. By the time a dominant incumbent fully commits to the new game in town — because it finally has to — it's too late. Congratulations, you're the foremost purveyor of film in a world of digital photography.

Patreon and OnlyFans, subscription services for creators, represent the first wave of companies that meaningfully monetized influencers, and decoupled them in some critical sense from the dominant social media platforms. But Patreon loves a wrongthink cancellation, and OnlyFans is a platform as well as a tool for monetization. While losing either monetization or a platform will harm a creator, the ability to distribute is critical. Substack, with email subscription baked into its DNA, represents the cancel-proof second wave. With a slight hiccup while they find a new tool for monetization, a writer could conceivably leave Substack and continue sharing content with their followers. In other words, we trust Substack because we don't have to trust Substack. Elsewhere, Discord walked so Clubhouse could run. Interactive voice chat may not be helping creators monetize (yet), and Clubhouse has way too much attack exposure to ever cancel-proof a user — though they've admirably resisted the New York Times thought police — but these are mixed social platforms. Partly they enable groups of people who know each other to chat, but they're also broadcast platforms for sovereign influencers. This is the future. Every successful new company in media and social media exists in sync with this future.


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The results are in for a two-year experiment with universal basic income (UBI) in Stockton, California:

After getting $500 per month for two years without rules on how to spend it, 125 people in California paid off debt, got full-time jobs and reported lower rates of anxiety and depression, according to a study released Wednesday.

The program in the Northern California city of Stockton was the highest-profile experiment in the U.S. of a universal basic income, where everyone gets a guaranteed amount per month for free.

More here.


QUICK HITS

• The House of Representatives yesterday passed a bill to ban police officers from using chokeholds and to reform the qualified immunity process. Called the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, it had the support of all House Democrats and only one Republican, Rep. Lance Gooden (R–Texas)—who said afterward that he voted for it accidentally. The measure now goes to the Senate, "where it will need at least 10 Republican votes for passage," notes NBC.

• Here's a good explainer on Twitter Spaces, the company's attempt to compete with Clubhouse in the audio chatroom sphere.

• "Safe injection sites are a proven method for reducing overdose deaths, but the Department of Justice has been using a 1986 law that President Joe Biden championed in the Senate to prevent their operation," notes The Appeal.

• Shikha Dalmia dissects the U.S. Citizenship Act, noting that while it contains many good provisions, "the administration is primarily helping immigrants stuck in America's broken immigration system, not fundamentally fixing the system to ease future flows. Indeed, the bill as written will set the country up for yet another immigration war, just as happened after President Ronald Reagan's immigration reforms."

• It's time to repeal the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, writes Radley Balko.

• David Shor on why the Democratic Party has been getting more liberal, and how it could hurt the party's electoral prospects:

There's a narrative on the left that the Democrats' growing reliance on college-educated whites is pulling the party to the right (Matt Karp had an essay on this recently). But I think that's wrong. Highly educated people tend to have more ideologically coherent and extreme views than working-class ones. We see this in issue polling and ideological self-identification. College-educated voters are way less likely to identify as moderate. So as Democrats have traded non-college-educated voters for college-educated ones, white liberals' share of voice and clout in the Democratic Party has gone up. And since white voters are sorting on ideology more than nonwhite voters, we've ended up in a situation where white liberals are more left wing than Black and Hispanic Democrats on pretty much every issue: taxes, health care, policing, and even on racial issues or various measures of "racial resentment." So as white liberals increasingly define the party's image and messaging, that's going to turn off nonwhite conservative Democrats and push them against us.

Puerto Rico statehood may be up for a vote again soon.

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  1. The lingering effects of “Russian influence” hysteria are still being felt.

    Yes but unlike the recent election that hysteria was totally justified. That’s why we were allowed to discuss it.

    1. Russia swinging the election with $150k worth of Facebook ads and peeing hookers is totally plausible. It deserved a nine figure investigation.

      But the idea that the party of Tammany Hall and the Chicago Machine would fiddle with the ballot boxes is just crazy talk.

      1. “…peeing hookers…” Golden showers? Mamma, if your favorite moose hears about this, I bet you are gonna be in a HEAP of troubles! (Pay me twenty bucks and I pinky swear that I won’t tell on you!)

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    2. Yes. We can look forward to monthly (daily?) lists of permitted issues and correct opinions.

    3. It is a goodthink conspiracy theory.

      1. It’s a supported by facts conspiracy.

        Read the fucking reports, you cultist goons. This shit happened. Not even up for debate.

        1. Lol. The report you’ve proven over and over you didnt read?

        2. You should read 1984 DOL.

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  2. Lockdown the border

    After Border Patrol release, asylum-seekers test positive for Covid in Brownsville, Texas
    Damià Bonmatí, Noticias Telemundo Investiga and Martha Alicia López
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-border-patrol-release-asylum-seekers-test-positive-for-covid-in-brownsville-texas/ar-BB1eapiV

    A few hours later she was released, and the first thing she did was take a rapid test for Covid-19 at the Brownsville bus station. They told her her test came out positive.

    “Right now we were tested for Covid and they separated about eight of us because we were positive,” she told Noticias Telemundo Investiga. “We are waiting right now.” She was waiting to catch a bus to Houston.

    Other migrant families who also said they had tested positive were waiting to go to other destinations: North Carolina, Maryland and New Jersey.

    The city of Brownsville administers these rapid tests at the bus station, after migrant families are released by the Border Patrol. A spokesperson for Brownsville confirmed that, since they began doing these tests Jan. 25, 108 migrants have tested positive for Covid-19, which is 6.3 percent of those who took the test.

    1. Do they inform the other passengers on the bus that there is a chicomvirus-positive passenger among them? I’m assuming the answer is “no.”

    2. What is the point of wasting money on tests?

      1. its not a waste of money when your goal is to send positive people to states that won’t lock down or require mask

    3. They probably got COVID from the Trump toilet water they were forced to drink.

    4. They’ve already figured out a way to get a Covid spike in Texas so they can blame not mandating masks.

  3. On Wednesday, the House passed a measure to require all politics-related social media posts from non-Americans to bear a disclaimer saying as much.

    I’m beginning to think constitutional protections are selectively heeded.

    1. True; It’s crooked of them to pretend they can pass a USA law for foreign countries. It has to be part of a treaty.

      1. “There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution.”

        from Reid v. Covert

        Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,

        They need an amendment to amend the Constitution (well in theory, in practice they will do whatever they want).

        1. Consti-what?

      2. Dude, “treaties” are so twentieth century. All the cool kids know it’s all about executive agreements. Just ask Obama and get with the program.

      3. Didn’t you realize the internet is american soil? /sarc

    2. So Dems are saying we should check IDs now?

      1. Only for meme’s. Ballot Printers are still allowed to vote without ID’s.

  4. BREAKING: House Passes Bill Gutting Election Integrity, Free Political Speech
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/03/04/breaking-house-passes-bill-gutting-election-integrity-free-political-speech-n1429915

    The bill creates a nationwide automatic voter registration program, which would likely result in double-registrations and the registration of non-citizens. In fact, H.R. 1 explicitly exempts from prosecution people who are “not eligible to vote in elections for Federal office but [were] automatically registered to vote” (Sec. 1015).

    1. Why The Freakout Over Georgia Voting Bill Is Telling
      https://tomknighton.substack.com/p/why-the-freakout-over-georgia-voting

      See, while they argue that voter fraud had no meaningful impact in the 2020 election, they can’t say there was no fraud at all. We’ve seen a number of incidents that raised red flags for a lot of people. Especially here in Georgia.

      Yes, Democrats won here, but they did it in a way that cast a pronounced shadow on the election overall.

      If Democrats believe they won fair and square, absolutely nothing in the Georgia bill will really stop eligible voters from being able to cast their ballots. What it will do, though, is make things more difficult for fraudsters.

      The fact that the left is losing it over this tells us that they don’t actually want secure elections. They want the rules so loose they might as well not exist.

      In other words, many of them suspect they only won in Georgia due to voter fraud and they don’t want anything to get in their way if they have to do it again.

      1. https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1367339878321684480

        Oh. Gives the federal government control over state election laws.

        “Congress finds that it has broad authority to regulate the time, place, and manner of congressional elections”

        Restricting the ability of states to remove ineligible voters from the rolls.

        Actively defending voter fraud. Nice.

        States aren’t allowed to ask for voter ID, not even for absentee ballots

        Mandating that states allow ballot harvesting.

        Wanna show up with a Rubbermaid tub of ballots? Nothing states can do about it.

        1. Federal takeover of redistricting .

          Guys, this bill is a straight up annihilation of state’s rights. We all answer to DC about everything after this.

          1. It says illegal immigrants can’t be charged for voting illegally… lol. Not even hiding the fraud.

        2. Add lowering the voting age to sixteen. No need to show ID since you don’t have a license yet. Well informed population that has done nothing and seen nothing votes primarily (D). Jeezus.

        3. To avoid undue foreign influence on elections:
          you have to check ID on Twitter when posting
          you don’t have to check ID to vote

        4. I mean, if they really want those to be the rules… I look forward to the first all Libertarian House, Senate, and Presidency starting in 2022 and continuing *forever*.

      2. No widespread fraud.

        1. No detectable widespread fraud (mostly because nobody is allowed to audit).

          1. We have a body with multiple bullet wounds, and video of the guy getting shot multiple times, but we can’t say there was a murder because the shooter threw the gun in the trash can and nobody’s allowed to search the landfill.

          2. Mostly peaceful not-widespread fraud that we choose not to see.

      3. Nobody likes when you point out that the Jimmy Carter election commission found many of the pieces of HR.1 to increase fraud. They know what they are doing, they got away with it in 2020. Now they look to codify it. Make it impossible to detect fraud, that is the goal.

        1. Who plans to cheat? The people demanding it be easier to cheat.

      4. H L Mencken said it – “They stole the election fair and square.”

    2. Hey, if it keeps even one vote from being suppressed…

  5. After getting $500 per month for two years without rules on how to spend it, 125 people in California paid off debt, got full-time jobs and reported lower rates of anxiety and depression, according to a study released Wednesday.

    Those outcomes could just as easily been attributed to anticipation of Biden’s executive orders.

    1. In the same period tens of thousands of people also got full time jobs without being given $500 a month.

      1. Why $500/mo.? That’s not even a living wage.

    2. After getting $500 per month for two years without rules on how to spend it, 125 people in California

      Whereas the other 49,875 spent it on tequila and hookers.

      1. People report “lower rates of anxiety and depression” when they get free money. Quelle suprise.

    3. How were those 125 chosen? I bet not randomly.

      Was $500 of welfare simultaneously removed? No? You mean you hand-select 125 people, give them $500 a month, and they end up better off? Call Agatha Christie, it’s a mystery!

    4. and to the state legalizing a certain schedule 1 substance around that time

    5. Yet, these same people rail against Wal Mart for their low wages, claiming that they rely on social safety net services to prop up their workers. It’s different when WE do it.

    6. If you actually read into the article linked you can discover a few things:
      1. There were only 125 people in the study, so this wasn’t just the success stories.
      2. There was a control group of people who didn’t get checks.
      3. Less than 1% of the money went to alcohol and tobacco (at least the users only reported that much of it went to those things)
      4. The experimental group saw an increase in full time employment from 28% to 40% while the control group saw just a “5% increase” (though start and end figures are not provided, leaving me a bit suspicious). Taking them at their word this would mean that 15 people in the experimental group found full time jobs while roughly 6 from the control group did (assuming the control group was 125 people).

      So let’s recap here: You’ve spent $750,000 to help just nine people get a full time job who otherwise wouldn’t have. Excuse me if I feel that’s not really worthy of celebration.

      1. Wow. Even worse than I thought it would be.

      2. Imagine a world where there was a libertarian publication that actually simply advocated against UBI because it’s immoral.

      3. I think the line about the 1% alcohol and tobacco is funny.

        1. If you had a card that tracked your spending and reported to a study or cash which would you use to buy your alcohol

  6. White House Cuts Feed After Joe Biden Says ‘I’m Happy To Take Questions If That’s What I’m Supposed To Do…’
    https://twitter.com/GrabienMedia/status/1367400392334708736

    1. There’s a lot of people who speculated that they’ll replace him after midterms, but frankly I don’t think that they have that long.

      Maybe they’ll go with a Moon Over Parador scenario?

      1. He’s already taken longer than any other President in the last 90 years to hold a press conference. He has very little to worry about from a hostile press corps like Bush or Trump did, so the fact that he hasn’t done one yet is just another tick mark on the evidence docket that he’s in the throes of dementia–because his handlers realize that he doesn’t have the mental agility to coherently answer even softball questions.

      2. I believe they have to hang on to him until the midterms, or it starts a new election cycle, no?

        1. It does, UA. But if HR 1 passes (and realistically, even without it) it doesn’t matter who the puppet actually is, sitting in the chair. It’s not like it won’t be a member of Team Oligarchy. So Kamala can’t get 10 years, BFD. It’s not like she matters for anything besides her pliability.

          Biden must be really, really bad. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

          November’s Election was our version of the Venezuelan election that first put Chavez into power. I said it at the time, and nothing has arisen since then to make me change my mind. HR 1 is simply a concrete manifestation of their desire to never lose another meaningful election, never share power again, and certainly never allow some Mr. Smith to go to Washington and shake things up.

      3. Why replace an animatronic president? An independent one might say something unprogrammed.

        1. Because Biden is probably going to be starring in the Dead Parrot Sketch pretty soon.
          He looked like he was almost pining for the fjords in the video.

    2. The official video of the event also cut off that last 30 seconds of the video when he said that. His handlers were not happy.

    3. I think the “nance” he referred to is Nancy Dietch, Chief of Staff at the White House Communications Agency.
      https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancy-deitch-02274830?trk=people-guest_people_search-card

      Not that big of a deal. Maybe before the event the staff were kicking around the idea of whether or not to take questions, and the decision was made at the last minute. Many bosses leave details to subordinates.

  7. The program in the Northern California city of Stockton was the highest-profile experiment in the U.S. of a universal basic income, where everyone gets a guaranteed amount per month for free.

    WHAT IF THEY USED THEIR UBI TO BUY GUNS, DRUGS OR SEX? Or, worse yet, the cable package that includes Fox News.

    1. Why do you think anxiety and depression were reduced?

  8. My Cuomo ‘Crush’ Turned Out to Be Stockholm Syndrome
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/my-cuomo-crush-turned-out-to-be-stockholm-syndrome

    Hindsight is 20/20, but let’s remember how scary and opaque the world was a year ago and what a relief it was to have someone who wasn’t Trump projecting competence.

    Molly Jong-Fast

    1. People are so weak.

      1. And they want us to bow down before their weakness.

        1. Weakness is strength, comrade!

    2. So, she’s basically saying how easily swayed she is by bullshit as long as it comes from a fellow Democrat. What a stupid, shallow whore.

    3. Wonder if Molly will ever wonder what else she’s completely wrong about.

      Nah.

      1. It’s not like her misconceptions killed anyone, let alone 16,000 anyones.

  9. Here’s a good explainer on Twitter Spaces, the company’s attempt to compete with Clubhouse in the audio chatroom sphere.

    Benefits: Unapproved conversations are banned.

  10. The London Guardian has suggested that global lockdowns will be needed every two years in order to save the planet.
    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1367430145825509377

    1. https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1367196673290735617

      A new opinion poll in the UK finds that over half of Brits say they will miss either “some” or “many” aspects of lockdown despite the country now having been under some form of restrictions for nearly a year.

      1. One could probably find similar views in the U.S. including “We’d have been better off if George Washington had fallen from his horse and cracked his head open in 1775.”

      2. Over half of Brits are now officially pussies.

      3. Stockholm Syndrome.

    2. And each lockdown will last 18-24 months.

  11. The House of Representatives yesterday passed a bill to ban police officers from using chokeholds and to reform the qualified immunity process.

    If the Constitution won’t do it, what makes anyone think this will.

  12. …and only one Republican, Rep. Lance Gooden (R–Texas)—who said afterward that he voted for it accidentally.

    Don’t intentionally mess with Texas.

  13. One rule for me, one for thee

    Maybe It’s a Good Thing Andrew Cuomo Is Still Governor
    The Me Too movement should welcome due process.
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/andrew-cuomo-harassment-due-process-rights.html

    To refuse to come to immediate irrevocable conclusions isn’t a repudiation of #MeToo so much as an acknowledgment that serious problems demand sober due process. That isn’t a failure of the left or a double standard. It’s an acknowledgment that facts matter, that they are discernable, and that doing so takes more patience than the blink of a news cycle allows

    1. “That isn’t a failure of the left or a double standard”

      It is really a double standard because if Cuomo wasn’t an Emmy-winning, DNC golden boy, Slate wouldn’t give a shit about facts and due-process.

    2. That isn’t a failure of the left or a double standard.
      ———-
      That’s exactly what it is. And it’s been obvious to everybody without their heads up the butts of the leaders for years.

  14. NYT’s and Friedman have an accidental moment of reality when they realize the Abraham Accords are working. Who knew that normalizing relations among the ME countries was better than militaristic intervention.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/opinion/israel-united-arab-emirates-mideast.html

    Difficulty: Beat Reason to this realization.

    1. The latter realization being the Abraham Accords are newsworthy and good. (one article from reason on it about space programs only)

      1. Reason really needs to do some serious introspection over it’s behavior the last decade.

        1. Newsflash: They won’t.

        2. “Introspective” and “progressive” are oxymorons.

        3. Why? Aren’t they promulgating the views of their primary benefactor? They’re doing exactly what Koch wants. That you don’t find such views to be ‘Libertarian’, is of no importance.

  15. Safe injection sites are a proven method for reducing overdose deaths, but the Department of Justice has been using a 1986 law that President Joe Biden championed in the Senate to prevent their operation…

    The honeymoon is already over if we’re mentioning what a piece of shit non-senile Joe Biden was.

    1. Meh. A piece of shit he is and was, but I don’t wanna pay for “safe” injection sites.

      This is among the least of the sleepy joe atrocities.

  16. Illegal immigrants wearing “Biden Let Us In” t-shirts and somebody wonders where they got the t-shirts from.

    1. From the same people paying for the busses they rode in.

  17. More WK hardest hit news…

    “To my knowledge we have not recovered any [firearms] on that day from any of the arrests at the scene at this point,” said Jill Sanborn, assistant director of the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division. “No one has been charged with a firearms violation.”
    “How many shots were fired that we know of?” Johnson asked.

    “The only shots fired were the ones that resulted in the death of the one lady,” Sanborn said, referencing Ashli Babbitt, a protester who was shot and killed by a Capitol Police officer during heightened tension inside the building.

    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/senate-hold-second-hearing-security-failures-leading-capitol-siege

    1. ““The only shots fired were the ones that resulted in the death of the one lady”

      But that’s not true! Someone shot off a fire extinguisher and someone shot off pepper spray.

      We saw it on camera. The testimony should be dismissed for dishonesty.

      1. I’m willing to bet a few farts were fired off as well.

      2. Evidence is racist!

      3. Biden promised a million would receive shots within the first 100 days in office!

  18. “Democrats Demand Social Media Users Talking Politics Disclose If They’re Not American”

    White Knight must’ve petitioned them.

    I hearby publicly disclose that I am a Russian bot Canadian.

    1. You beat me to it by a millisecond.

      1. He/she/it’s amazingly predictable.

    2. See I’m getting a lot of rent-free mentions this morning.

      1. That’s not what’s happening bird.

        1. You are probably slapping yourself on making a brilliant comment. You argue like a two year old.

          1. “slapping yourself on the back”

            1. Oh yeah, I just realized I don’t seem to know what the “rent free” idiom actually means either.
              How the hell did I get my job?

          2. No, just laughing at you.

          3. Although slapping yourself would be a more appropriate self-reproach to engage in after posting the inane, childish comments you regularly make.

            1. And a soothing knee to your neck would be the most appropriate reproach for the daily lies you indulge in.

            2. Oh look, Dee is endorsing violence.

      2. Oops, can’t find the comment about no weapons being found on protestors. Must have flagged/refreshed it. Think it was a JesseAz comment:

        https://www.usatoday.com/storytelling/capitol-riot-mob-arrests/

        Lonnie Leroy Coffman
        Age: 70
        Arrested or charged on: Jan. 5, 2021
        Home state: Alabama
        Charges
        Possession of an unregistered firearm (destructive device) and carrying a pistol without a license.

        What happened
        When authorities found Coffman’s truck near the Capitol, they reported finding 11 Molotov cocktails — Mason jars filled with flammable liquids — in addition to guns and ammunition.

        But, hey, no firearms found. (If you fix the game by restricting narrow which places we are allowed to talk about.)

        Someone made an idiotic comment (yesterday?) that Capitol protestors couldn’t possibly have chemical sprays on them because they were searched when entering the Trump rally. As if (a) whoever made that comment actually knew any details about security at the event, (b) they couldn’t have accessed stashed weapons between leaving the rally and arriving at the Capitol.

        You apologists for the Trump/MAGA rioters try to get away with facile arguments because you are used to talking only to fellow echo chamber members. When you encounter someone who isn’t part of your little echo chamber the stories you tell yourselves crumble.

        1. “But, hey, no firearms found. (If you fix the game by restricting narrow which places we are allowed to talk about”

          You mean like limiting it to the place where the protest occurred instead of all the other places in the city? That’s just crazy, huh.

          1. It is crazy. And arbitrary. Wherever Coffman parked his truck was self-evidently within walking distance of the Capitol riots.

            1. Tell us again how you supposedly admitted you were wrong about Sicknick being killed by a fire extinguisher, White Excrement.

              1. Yesterday, I linked back to the exact comment where I did so. As I predicted, you all are pretending like you didn’t see it and not giving me credit.

                1. Yesterday it was proven you ignored the cnn retraction for 8 days as you continued lies and then immediately switched to bear spray kills everyone.

                2. Why give credit to a lying-ass dog?

            2. If he walked to the capitol without those molotov’s then he wasn’t armed at the protest dummy.

              1. He was arrested *the day before*, so those weapons couldn’t possibly have been present on Jan 6th.

                I don’t particularly want to defend the lawlessness of the protesters, but can we only accuse the protest of things that actually happened at the protest?

                1. Then they wouldn’t be able to justify the security theater at the capital and the new war on domestic terrorists.

                2. Again, definitional games.

                  1. This has to be someone stealing Dee’s handle, right?

                  2. “but can we only accuse the protest of things that actually happened at the protest?”

                    “dEfiNitional gaMes”

                    Lol.

              2. Only if you are playing definitional games because you have a need to protect a flimsy narrative that explains away the MAGA riots that day.

                1. You mean the flimsy narrative about what actually happened at the January sixth protest, and not about other things that happened on different days and in different places?

                  You’ve become a living parody and an even better lolcow than sarcasmic.

            3. I’m not really John D. Rockefeller. He’s dead. You should let everyone know, in case they’re confused.

            4. Almost two miles and into a security zone? Go fuck your hat, moron.

            5. “Wherever Coffman parked his truck was self-evidently within walking distance of the Capitol riots”

              This is just desperate.

              Isn’t where everyone parks for almost anything, within walking distance of where they’re going?

              Did you expect him to park in a different city and then take a train or a bus to get to DC?

              Pathetic.

          2. “You mean like limiting it to the place where the protest occurred instead of all the other places in the city? That’s just crazy, huh.”

            Well, those cops died in the SAME MONTH as the protest! Do I have to connect the dots for you?

        2. Fuck off, you lying-ass dog.

        3. “found his truck near the capitol”

          Idiot

        4. All those ‘someone saids’ are the voices in your head, asshole.

        5. truck near the Capitol,

          This is not at the capitol. I literally quoted the testimony from yesterday idiot.

          Why the desperation to be an idiot?

          1. Hey, that’s not desperation! That TDS-aeddled shit is PROUD to be a fucking ignoramus!

        6. You’re such a desperate fucking retard and so utterly shit at this.

          (a) whoever made that comment actually knew any details about security at the event
          Point out the time since Reagan’s assassination attempt where the crowds weren’t searched when going to see a sitting president is giving a speech. I’m starting to wonder if you’re actually an American.

          (b) they couldn’t have accessed stashed weapons between leaving the rally and arriving at the Capitol.
          You’ve never gone to the Capitol complex before, have you? Since 9/11 you have to pass through heavy security. You don’t just waltz into the area with your handgun and your pocketknife. He couldn’t have just fetched that shit from his truck and then marched a mile and a half back without getting stopped even before getting to security.

          1. “Point out the time since Reagan’s assassination attempt where the crowds weren’t searched when going to see a sitting president is giving a speech. I’m starting to wonder if you’re actually an American.”

            That’s your argument? “I don’t actually have any first-hand or reported knowledge, but I’m going to make a flimsy assumption.”

            1. Yes. That’s my argument retard.
              The crowd all passed through security. Bags, backpacks and clothes were searched. They all passed through metal detectors at several locations. The Secret Service were everywhere. Facial recognition software was used on the crowd.

              Here:
              https://sofrep.com/news/former-secret-service-agent-describes-presidents-security-detail/

              Educate yourself a little.

              1. An article from 2017 is your cite for the security at the January 6th “Stop the Steal” rally.

              2. Holy shit it’s going to be one of those days that poor Dee embarrasses herself.

                You’ve got her questioning if there’s this kind of security to go see the President!

                1. So, you have not one cite, either, about what security was at the “Stop the Steal” rally.

                  1. Fuck your cite. There are millions available. Nobody can be that stupid.

                    Are you actually trying to say that the crowd didn’t have to go through security on the hill or to see the sitting president give a speech?

                    Are you actually trying to say you won’t believe it unless you get a citation?

                    1. “There are millions available.”

                      Just asking for one.

                    2. “Are you actually trying to say that the crowd didn’t have to go through security on the hill or to see the sitting president give a speech?”

                      I don’t know what security they went through. You don’t either.

                    3. No you’re not. You’re trying to make us waste our time or give up.

                      I actually cooked a half hour wading through hundreds of articles on the national guard and Hill police and found an article that specifically covers the security measures in place at the speech.

                      But I’m not going to post it yet.

                      And do you want to know why? Because this thread is done, but I want you to keep repeating your belief that the crowd didn’t need to undergo searches and weapons checks before seeing the president.

          2. “Since 9/11 you have to pass through heavy security.”

            The security that was overwhelmed by rioters? That security? The security that were being beaten with metal poles, having their barricades torn down? That security?

            Again, with the facile arguments, only made for your own echo chamber buddies, not to convince anyone looking at the scenario with impartiality.

            1. No, the security checkpoints including metal detectors at the Hill that you have to pass through just to get to the velvet ropes and portable barricades around the building.

              Are you trying to be retarded on purpose?

              1. https://abcnews.go.com/US/visual-timeline-attack-capitol-hill-unfolded/story?id=75112066

                “Soon, after breaching through barricades and security checkpoints, the protesters were inside the building — forcing lawmakers to go into lockdown.”

                Now, please provide a cite that the protestors queued up and went through metal detectors.

              2. https://www.curbed.com/2021/01/how-trump-rioters-breach-capitol-design.html

                You are so fact free: “On Wednesday, the MAGA rioters not only made it through these layers of security, pushing through the barriers at multiple entrances, but they also scaled the ornamental features as if it was all just a giant Lego set: The striated sandstone walls served as ladders, the balustrades on the balconies required just one more heave-ho.”

                1. Additional layers of security you absolute pillock. That’s crowd control shit after you enter the complex.

                  Again, are you trying to be retarded on purpose?

                  To ensure the safety and security of the U.S. Capitol Complex, certain items are prohibited from being brought into the Capitol Buildings and Grounds. While this may be a small inconvenience, planning ahead by leaving these items at home will allow for an expeditious security screening process. Failure to adhere to these established regulations can result in arrest, fine and/or imprisonment, as well as the confiscation and/or destruction of the item.”

                  https://www.uscp.gov/visiting-capitol-hill/regulations-prohibitions/prohibited-items

        7. may have just been his moonshine.
          more Molotov cocktails were actually deployed at any number of mostly peaceful protests over the summer.

          1. Were those Molotov cocktails registered with the ATF? If not, they didn’t really exist.

            1. The flammable substance was distilled from berries and was 80 proof.
              He wouldn’t be the first hillbilly whose shine was viewed as a deadly weapon by the ATF.

              1. Completely irrelevant as to the illegality of the act whether Coffman was skilled at making Molotov cocktails or not.

                You have tried to use this kind of bullshit argument before.

                1. Suck on a fire extinguisher, you lying fascist demagogue. Your Big Lie has turned into shit.
                  From poo on the walls, zip ties and fire extinguishers to “molotov” cocktails that turned out to be homebrew, everything you said was hot trash.

        8. Oh, look:

          https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/stun-guns-stinger-whips-crossbow-what-police-found-capitol-protesters-n1254127

          “Inside his vehicle was a book bag containing a semi-automatic handgun with a fully loaded six-round magazine, the police report says. The officer also found three other magazines in the bag and 12 loose rounds in one of the van’s front compartments.”

          “Others had brass knuckles and pocket knives, stun guns and ‘stinger whips.'”

          “In all, police recovered a dozen guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition from seven people who were arrested before and after the Capitol riot”

          It’s just excuses all day long with you guys, because you don’t want to face the truth about your fellow MAGAs.

          1. Left in the vehicle. Ergo not at the riots. You’re the one making excuses for your allegiance to a failing narrative. Sorry, but I condemned the riots and the rioters, still do, but what you are doing is self evident. You refuse to admit the narrative was greatly exaggerated because it fits your Hate Trump and his supporters ideology. It is willful ignorance by this point. Almost everything sensational reported has since been disproven. It’s sad to see you continue to try and defend a mostly false narrative. And now you’ll try to shake me into defending you by saying it’s sad that I am supporting the mean girls like you did the other day.

            1. And now you’ll try to shake me into defending you by saying it’s sad that I am supporting the mean girls like you did the other day.

              White Excrement is nothing if not devoted to the middle school clique mindset.

          2. *owned a gun*
            *didn’t bring it to the protest*

            “tHe trUTh aboUt yOur felLow MAGAs”

      3. No, you’re getting mocked, as you do daily.

  19. Democrats Demand Social Media Users Talking Politics Disclose If They’re Not American

    Sounds just like WK.

    1. Wow, three rent-frees in a row before I even showed up to see what people were saying.

      1. Your gloating over the spotlight is cute in a George-Bush-ish kind of way.

        1. Thanks!

          1. Please clap…

      2. I’m not really Abe Lincoln, he’s dead. Pass it on.

  20. Shikha Dalmia dissects the U.S. Citizenship Act, noting that while it contains many good provisions, “the administration is primarily helping immigrants stuck in America’s broken immigration system, not fundamentally fixing the system to ease future flows…”

    The myth that anyone in DC really wants relaxed borders.

    1. SleepyJoe is the new Trump.

    2. Well, fences on national borders to keep out non-citizens who will not follow the immigration laws are racist and evil.
      Fences in the national capitol to keep out law abiding citizens are perfectly fine, and will stay in place.

      1. Yet still aren’t adequate to keep legislators safe enough from phantom militia to show up to work

  21. Troops acting as the DNC protection brigade are being given substandard food at the capitol. Undercooked, feathers still in chicken, metal shavings…

    Guess if anyone complains they fail the loyalty tests they want to implement.

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/national-guard-in-dc-hospitalized-substandard-food/65-f231f75f-2206-4403-9d19-645eef5f302e

    1. So what? Do you think those tens of thousands of extremist white supremacist heavily armed and trained militia barbarian soldiers creeping toward the seat of democracy are eating any better right now?

      1. Get the popcorn ready for today’s assault on the capitol that apparently every Democrat knows about and that’s about it.

        1. even after nothing happens today Chicken Little will move the goal post again as to when the attacks will begin.

        2. Somewhere, there’s a 19 year old white incel, being groomed with an unregistered suppressor mounted on an 80 percent lower AR, fed with ammunition he ordered through the mail. Maybe carrying homemade explosives as well.

          Trying to pass giant omnibus, liberty-killing pieces of legislation are like trying to summon a demon from myth: both need large amounts of blood sacrifice, or the ritual won’t work. They don’t have enough blood yet. And if they don’t get some soon, eventually people will stop responding to these breathless threats of violence that federal law enforcement passes around like some AOL boomer Fwd:Fwd:Fwd’ing an email about gang initiations and not flashing your high beams at night.

    2. Feathers= extra fiber in your diet.
      Metal shavings= more iron in your blood.

    1. Yes, but criticizing something that was considered stupid and wrong even just three years ago, should definitely warrant losing your platform, job and any future livelihood.

      1. Keeping up with rapidly changing political fads and approved speech is hard!

  22. I remember the 30 Sullum articles regarding Trump and the election. I also remember the zero on the democrats still fighting to overturn election results of their races.

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/04/democrat-rita-hart-continues-to-contest-house-race-lost-by-six-votes/

    1. What was 2016 (and 17, and 18…)? Chopped liver?

    2. “I remember the 30 Sullum articles regarding Trump and the election”

      64 in just three and a half months, actually. Sullum was a busy little beaver.

    1. No widespread fraud.

    2. Local story!

    3. ““In his ruling, the judge said that sixty-six of eighty-four absentee ballots cast in the June runoff were not valid and should never have been counted,”

      That’s unpossible, elections stopped being fraudulent after 2016. Sullum and White Knight swore it.

    4. Mississippi. That’s one of those red states that voted for Trump. Funny, Trump never brought up any issues about election fraud in Mississippi.

      1. Did you bother finding out who did the frauding before attempting to be clever?
        Hint, it rhymes with Memocrats.

        1. Dee’s gone full retard again today and it’s glorious!

      2. It’s not like the Dems couldn’t demand full recounts in Montgomery and Birmingham.

  23. …we’ve ended up in a situation where white liberals are more left wing than Black and Hispanic Democrats on pretty much every issue: taxes, health care, policing, and even on racial issues or various measures of “racial resentment.

    The problem is that non-white Democrats don’t understand that white liberals are doing what’s best for the minority population so just shut up and give them your vote.

    1. Hmm, from Democrats owning blacks in the 19th century to Democrats owning blacks in the 21st century.

      1. Make that privileged, elite Democrats.

    2. Most of wokeness is white progressives deciding what’s supposed to offend every minority and enforcing it, good and hard.

  24. Enforcing such a measure would require a huge investment in federal law enforcement apparatuses to monitor and investigate social media platforms.

    “BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!”

    1. Work from home for officers.

      1. Better than being a shoprite security guard.

  25. “WASHINGTON—House Democrats passed legislation to expand voter participation . . . . The measure would have the effect of voiding state voter-identification requirements and making permanent the widespread mail-in voting that was common in last year’s elections, requiring states to offer online and same-day voter registration as well as 15 days of early voting nationwide. It would also mandate the creation of independent commissions to draw voting districts in each state to end gerrymandering.”

    —-Wall Street Journal

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-democrats-republicans-clash-over-voting-rights-bill-11614780715?

    Regardless of whether you think the 2020 election was free and fair, it’s clear that the Democrats favored rule changes that helped lead to their victory–and that is why they want to make those rules both national and permanent.

    The legislation passed, 220-210, with ZERO Republican support.

    If Democrats stayed up all night trying to think of better ways to make people doubt the integrity of our elections, they might not have come up with anything better than this, and if they manage to inflict these rules on states that oppose them, we should expect to see even more of a populist reaction.

    The Democrats probably can’t get this through the Senate without making a Republican change sides or without getting rid of the filibuster, which doesn’t mean it won’t happen. The stakes on this are big enough that the Democrats might put all their weight behind breaking the log jam in one of those two ways.

    1. No widespread fraud .

      1. When they stack the deck in their favor, they don’t need to hide anything up their sleeves.

      2. And I’m not sure any of this is constitutional.

        I won’t claim to be especially knowledgeable about this, but I thought it was supposed to be up to the states how votes were counted, whether to have mail in ballot periods and for how long, etc.

        The politicians who set the voting standards should be accountable to the voters themselves. Why are a bunch of House members from California and New York setting the rules for voters in Kansas and Wyoming?

        There’s a word for contemptuously inflicting our opinions on the unwilling. That word is “elitism”, and it’s the sun and rain that makes populism grow. The idea that those who set the voting standards should be accountable to the voters really shouldn’t be controversial. I’d understand if this were within the context of a court ruling that alleged racial discrimination, but that isn’t the case here. Why are they trying to set the rules for Minnesota and Wisconsin?

        1. Because Republicans are trying to rig elections by making it unnecessarily difficult to vote hoping it’ll discourage voting. It’s so obvious and crooked. It’s exactly what the Jim Crow mfers did. You’re the new version of that. Congratulations on being a piece of shit.

          1. The question wasn’t whether you can think of a reason why Republicans don’t want this.

            The question is why politicians in California and New York, who are unaccountable to the voters of Wisconsin, for instance, should be inflicting rules on voters of Wisconsin.

            If you want to openly argue for authoritarianism, and make excuses for it, go ahead. Just don’t try to pretend your good intentions somehow mean it isn’t authoritarian. Every authoritarian in history has justified themselves on the basis of their good intentions.

            If your intention is to inflict your will on others, your intentions are not good. They are authoritarian. The difference between right and wrong rides on the obligation to respect other people’s choices–see rape, theft, etc. for examples. The desire to feed the homeless doesn’t justify shooting a cashier, and if this is news to you, that’s rather frightening.

          2. You mean voter ID right? Every other Western democracy on the planet requires it but somehow you Democrat shills think Blacks are too stupid to obtain a drivers license or a passport.

            Fuck you and fuck your phony racist patrimony.

          3. You should get professional help. Or eat Drano.

          4. “unnecessarily difficult” = IDs, postmarks, signatures, registering before election day….

            1. That’s all very difficult when you’re an ignorant minority.

            2. You realize that the ultimate partisan goal is to count votes based on what the party thinks people want, no actual personal voting required, right?

          5. Haha. It’s always the 1950s to progs.

            Black people are so helpless. They’re damn lucky to have you on their side LOS.

            What a doosh.

        2. I won’t claim to be especially knowledgeable about this, but I thought it was supposed to be up to the states how votes were counted, whether to have mail in ballot periods and for how long, etc.

          Ding, winner. It’s unconstitutional.

        3. I suspect elimination of states, at least as entities with any legal standing and status to challenge federal power, is a deliberate goal for many on the left. Of course, like most idiots they can only see as far as tomorrow, and will get a very big sad the next time conservatives hold the presidency, and there are no political refuges, even in California.

          1. The whole purpose of progressivism it to use the coercive power of government to force us to make sacrifices for what they see as the greater good. When states get in the way of that, yeah, they’re the problem.

        4. “I won’t claim to be especially knowledgeable about this, but I thought it was supposed to be up to the states how votes were counted, whether to have mail in ballot periods and for how long, etc.”

          I think, generally, that is correct. There is, however, that phrase which seems to give Congress some control over how and when congressional representatives are elected, but I am not sure how that works in the “real” world,

    2. Democrats are trying to encourage more voter participation and letting the chips fall where they may. You fascist mfers on the other hand are doing things like tying to criminalize passing out water and pizza to people waiting hours in line to vote. You’re a piece of shit, Ken. A cheating mfer who falsely accuses others of cheating.

      1. See my comment above.

        Using the government to inflict your will on the unwiring is the definition of authoritarianism–regardless of whether I’m a piece of shit.

      2. Ken just wiped the floor with you, which explains the histrionics. Back to class, asswipe. You’re going to be late to your transgender pottery barn 101 lecture.

      3. “Democrats are trying to encourage more voter participation and letting the chips fall where they may”

        Democrats are trying to enshrine fraud, and you pretending that some races are too stupid to hold ID or go to a polling station is just moronic.

        1. Yeah, and again, just because something can be rationalized, doesn’t mean it should be rationalized.

          My argument was that the people who set the rules for voting should be directly accountable to the voters themselves.

          If he can’t refute that argument without embracing authoritarianism, he loses. And guess what? All I’m seeing from him is handwaving and all I’m hearing is crickets.

        2. Dems want to open voting to 16 year olds. We know where those chips will fall.

      4. Even when that voter participation is unknown the the voter.

      5. The tyranny of the majority is good!

        Fuck any constraints on “democracy”, right?

    3. It’ll be easy enough for them to pass this and establish 1 party rule:
      -eliminate filibuster rule and make requirement to pass legislation simple majority/plurality
      -pack SCOTUS
      -pass this bill

    4. The Fortification of Our Democracy continues apace.

  26. While Facebook is ending a ban on political advertising that was enacted amid moral panic about overseas influence in U.S. elections Trump running for President,

    FTFY

  27. On Wednesday, the House passed a measure to require all politics-related social media posts from non-Americans to bear a disclaimer saying as much.

    I’m pretty sure everybody on social media is an American, as the internet doesn’t even exist in foreign countries.

    1. Yeah, why do they hate foreigners so much?

  28. “House Cancels Thursday Session After Threat of Militant Plot to Breach Capitol
    Donald Trump is out of office. The threat of violent right-wing extremism hasn’t gone anywhere”
    […]
    “The threat comes less than two months after a violent mob of then-President Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol, leading to five deaths….”
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/house-cancels-session-threat-capitol-breach-qanon-1136380/

    Biden’s in office and the left wing violence continues un-abated. And those “5 deaths”? Pretty sure that’s one un-armed protester murdered by some scum-bag cop, one stroke death and three suicides.

    1. Day after day, belittling police officers’ deaths. Shows how skin deep your supposed come cern for police offices and law and order is.

      1. Fuck you, asshole.

        You’re the one who shits up the comments EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY with a fake story about a Capitol Police Officer being bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher.

        Fuck off and die.

      2. Day after day, repeating your TDS-driven lies. Shows how stupid and dishonest you are.
        Fuck off and die, TDS-addled shit.

      3. You’re the one belittling police officers when you lie about their deaths to further your own political narrative, you evil piece of shit.

        1. I wonder if WK gets paid for every post he writes, or for every response he incites.

          1. No one is stupid enough to pay for *that* level of shit-shoveling.

            1. A click is a click and, judging by this site’s Alexa ratings over the last five years, it needs all the clicks it can get. The Seagull provides some.

        2. Right. Sicknick just happened to die by coincidence after fighting with rioters driven by believing a big stolen election lie that you, Mother’s Lament, continue to promote.

          No introspection on your part of how you and others with your dishonest political narratives had a role in his death.

          1. “Sicknick just happened to die by coincidence after fighting with rioters”
            Correct.

            “…driven by believing a big stolen election lie that you, Mother’s Lament, continue to promote.”
            Your TDS-driven bullshit is irrelevant to the issue, asshole.

          2. And you continue to lie about the circumstances, you useless sack of shit.

          3. Says he waits for the evidence… continues with the narrative even after the evidence contradicts him.

            1. I’m continuing the narrative? I’m not the one who brought Sicknick up today. Sevo was the one trying to push a narrative: “And those ‘5 deaths’? Pretty sure that’s one un-armed protester murdered by some scum-bag cop, one stroke death and three suicides.”

              1. You’ve continued it each and every day sweetie. Even when given direct links to cnn and nyt retraction.

                What you dont do is wait for evidence.

          4. I promote it because I believe it, White Knight.

            You, on the other hand, use Officer Sicknick’s death as a narrative tool because you’re paid to do so. You don’t actually believe it either.

            You’re such a vile fuck.

            1. Mother’s Lament recently said that Trump’s December 2nd speech “laid exactly what kinds of fraud occurred” during the 2020 presidential election:

              https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-on-election-fraud-claims-transcript-december-2

              Furthermore, Mother’s says that he stands behind everything Trump said in the speech. In Mother’s own words: ” For all intents and purposes, yes, yes I am, you demonic mouthpiece of fascists.”

              Today, let’s look at some of Trump’s statements that are so vague they cannot be falsified, or in some cases even parsed as English sentences:

              1. We’ll skip over the vague statements in his opening paragraph. Supposedly he will go on to lay out the case for “lots of bad things happened” and “our election system, which is now under coordinated assault and siege.”

                So, onward: “My opponent was told to stay away from the election, don’t campaign. ‘We don’t need you. We’ve got it. This election is done.'”

                Who supposedly said this to Biden? When? Just a couple of days ago, Trump supporters in this very commentariat were criticizing Biden for the carbon footprint of his campaign.

              2. “It was all very, very strange. Within days after the election, we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint the winner even while many key states were still being counted.”

                Trump is 74 years old. Surely, he is aware that TV networks (and now Internet news sources) have a tradition of trying to project the winner of Presidential elections before all of the votes have been counted. He cannot be that dumb or unaware, which means he is intentionally spreading FUD.

              3. “If we are right about the fraud, Joe Biden can’t be president. We’re talking about hundreds of thousands of votes. We’re talking about numbers like nobody has ever seen before.”

                A completely content-free statement. Yes, of course, if you are right then Joe Biden cannot be president, and you would have to be right about hundreds of thousands of votes.

                “If we are right”

                1. A completely content-free statement.

                  He accused the Democrats of frauding an enormous amount of votes. Seems like substantial content to me.

                  You’re no good at pettifogging, it baffles me why you try.

              4. “Or people that innocently came to vote on November 3rd, who were all excited about their vote, they were happy. They were proud to be citizens of the United States of America, and they went up and they said, “I’d like to vote.” They were told that they can’t vote. “I’m sorry,” they were told, “I’m sorry. You’ve already voted by mail-in ballot. Congratulations. We received a ballot, so you can no longer vote.”

                He tells this like it was a common occurrence yet gives no details of which state or where. A vague accusation cannot be refuted.

                1. They didn’t know what to do. They had no one to complain to, most just left and said, “That’s strange.” But many people complained and complained vehemently, and in a lot of cases, they filled out a provisional ballot, which was almost never used, but in virtually every case was a vote for Trump. In other words, they went in to vote and they were told that they voted and they didn’t vote. They left and they felt horror and they lost respect for our system. This happened tens of thousands of times all over the country. That’s how desperate the Democrats were. They would fill out ballots of people not even knowing if these people were going to show up. When they did show up, they said, “Sorry, you’ve already voted.”

                  The rest of Trump’s story about some unspecified people who experience this in some unspecified place.

                  1. I too enjoy talking to myself.

                    1. I think Dee has cleared up whether it’s paid by the post or response.

                  2. So what was even the point of posting this particular comment? It does nothing to support your assertion.
                    Are you paid by the post count and are trying to earn a few extra cents?

                2. “A vague accusation cannot be refuted”

                  You mean you couldn’t refute it so you try to handwave it away as “vague”.

                  You’re no good at this pettifoggery, it baffles me why you try.

              5. “On top of everything else, we have a company that’s very suspect. It’s name is Dominion, with the turn of a dial or the change of a chip, you could press a button for Trump and the vote goes to Biden.”

                Really? What button is that? You cannot just change the chip in a computer and have it still work.

                This is just pure FUD with no substance.

                1. It’s actually a pithy but accurate description of how the system works. If you weren’t a retarded clown you’d realize this.

                  1. It’s telling that while I discuss the issues and facts, you avoid all that and discuss me.

                    1. You really can’t into reading comprehension, can you. What was the whole first half of my reply about.

                      For some reason you think my posts become invisible after I reply and that nobody can follow the thread.

              6. “… and this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is what we caught. How many didn’t we catch? Are there 100s of other examples throughout the country? Are there 1000s?”

                In other words, he’s got nothing, so he is encouraging his MAGA followers who are paranoid about Democrats and elections to use their imagination at this point.

                1. Umm… what? You threw a four year temper tantrum over nonexistent “Russian meddling”, and now it’s suddenly beyond the pale to ask if they’ve discovered that much fraud how much more has been perpetrated?

                  1. I have never posted on “Russian meddling” even once.

                    In fact, if you’d bother to ask my opinion, I have always thought the accusations that the Russians meddled in the 2016 election in any significant way are ridiculous.

              7. “Right now, we’re worried about the present, and what went on with an election that we won without question.”

                Without question. Right.

                1. I think it’s undeniable.

                  1. Despite lack of evidence.

                    1. Yes, except for all the evidence.

                      https://hereistheevidence.com/

              8. The greatest pollsters, the real pollsters, not the ones that had us down 17 points in Wisconsin when we actually won, or the ones that had us down four or five points in Florida, and we won by many points, or had us even, and down in Texas, and we won by a lot, not those pollsters, but real pollsters. Pollsters that are fair, and honest said, “We can’t understand a thing like this. It’s never happened before. You led the country to victory, and you were the only one that was lost. It’s not possible.”

                What pollsters are these “greatest pollsters”? Nobody literally said this to him. He’s just making shit up.

                1. He is probably talking about Rasmussen and several others. If you weren’t incubated in an echo chamber you’d be aware of them.

                  You’re too ignorant to work as a fifty-center. I hope you give them their money back.

                  1. OK, go beyond who he is probably talking about, and give me some cites. Even any pollster who said anything close to “we can’t understand a thing like this.”

                    1. Google Rasmussen yourself, retard.

                    2. You know what comes up if you google “Rasmussen ‘we can’t understand a thing like this” or even “Rasmussen surprise”.

                      Nothing relevant at all.

                    3. You’re a complete fucking idiot.

                      https://www.rasmussenreports.com/

                    4. A link to their home page? How lazy.

                      I asked for a cite that Rasmussen expressed surprise at the Presidential election results. That’s what Trump said, and that’s what you say you stand by.

                    5. You just said you couldn’t even find a link to them, I give you it, and now you want me to waste my time linking to specific results?

                      Remember how you didn’t understand what moving goalposts meant? What you just did was moving goalposts.

                      Anyway, go fuck yourself. If you’d actually searched instead of lying about it you’d find the polls referenced.

              9. And now for some incoherent word salad: “By the way, there’s your line. This is one of many. Here’s what is normal, and all of a sudden, look at that. This is normal, normal. Look even here, normal, and then boom, all of a sudden, I go from winning by a lot to losing a tight race.”

                1. Nice attempt at cherrypicking, but it makes sense when not removed from its context:

                  “I’ll tell you what’s wrong. Voter fraud.
                  Here’s an example:
                  This is Michigan. At 6:31 in the morning, a vote dump of 149,772 votes came in. Unexpectedly. We were winning by a lot.
                  That batch was received — in horror. Nobody knows anything about it. By the way, there’s your line. This is one of many.
                  Here’s what is normal, and all of a sudden, look at that.
                  This is normal? Normal? Look, even here. Normal? And then, boom. All of a sudden, I go from winning by a lot to losing a tight race.

                  It’s corrupt. Detroit is corrupt. I have a lot of friends in Detroit.
                  They know it. But Detroit is totally corrupt.

                  Look at this. That’s at 6:31 in the morning. Unexpectedly came in.”

                  1. LOL, I debunked the Michigan 149,772 vote dump lie the other day.

              10. “Many people received two, three and four ballots. They were sent to dead people by the thousands. In fact, dead people, and we have many examples filled out ballots, made applications, and then, voted, which is even worse. In other words, dead people went through a process.”

                Where? He says “we have many examples” then doesn’t give any of them.

                “Dead people went through a process” WTF does that mean?

                1. Infamously, here’s the one known case of a person using a dead person’s identity to vote:

                  https://www.phillyvoice.com/voter-fraud-pennsylvania-trump-election-bruce-bartman-charged-delaware-county/

                  “A Marple Township man faces criminal charges after prosecutors say he illegally voted for Donald Trump in the 2020 election using a mail-in ballot for his dead mother.”

                  1. Hardly on the same level as the 177,000 Democrat voters we discussed the other day.

                    1. Wow, you just magically turned 177,000 voters into 177,000 Democratic voters.

                      Your own link:
                      https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/michigan-removes-177000-voters-from-voter-rolls-after-legal-challenge/

                      Not one word in that article about the 177,000 voters being Democrats. You are trying to pull a fast one.

                    2. Who else would be voting Joe, other than his fellow deceased?

                2. ““Dead people went through a process” WTF does that mean?”

                  The Democrats have been filling out ballots for dead voters for 200 years now.
                  Don’t insult our intelligence by pretending you don’t know otherwise.

                  1. Too bad Trump doesn’t have you as a speech writer. With your secret decoder ring, you could make his babbling coherent to all the uninitiated.

                    1. Make up your mind, either he’s a persuasive populist demagogue or a gibbering simpleton.
                      They’re mutually exclusive concepts.

              11. “The corrupt forces who are registering dead voters and stuffing ballot boxes are the same people who have perpetrated one phony and fraudulent hoax after another.”

                Completely lacking any real informational content.

                1. I know you think you proved something here. But you’re wrong as usual.

                2. 7 fucking posts in a row. Seek help.

                3. “Completely lacking any real informational content”

                  So like your massive threadshit and pettyfog right now then?

      4. Belittling… like lying about their death for over a month for political gain?

  29. It’s interesting to see how similar the ‘russian influence beat clinton’s group are to the stop the steal group. The same kernals of misinformation are fueling both.

    As far as FADE goes it just feels like another in a long line of acceptable forms of censorship. Identify ‘them’ so that they can wear the mark and the citizenry can be protected from their influence.

    1. Nope, but keep telling yourself idiotic fairytales to keep your “both sidez” dogma alive.

  30. After getting $500 per month for two years without rules on how to spend it, 125 people in California paid off debt, got full-time jobs and reported lower rates of anxiety and depression, according to a study released Wednesday.

    So, the same results as if they got full-time (or overtime jobs) in the first place without the UBI. Man that UBI really is a success. /sarc

  31. “a bill to ban police officers from using chokeholds and to reform the qualified immunity process. Called the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act . . . “

    The officers in the Floyd incident did not use a chokehold and were not protected by qualified immunity. So, I guess it’s true that laws named after victims never would have helped their own namesakes.

    A point that Reason had been making for years, until now:

    https://reason.com/2016/05/25/bill-named-after-murdered-girl-fails-tha/

    1. 2016? A lot has changed since then, including Reason.

  32. “After California and Texas blackouts, environmentalists push for faster transition to renewable energy”
    […]
    “When the Texas power grid buckled and cut off power to millions of households during a severe winter freeze last month, Bernadette Del Chiaro saw some troubling similarities to what had played out in California six months before.
    Del Chiaro, who leads a solar energy advocacy group in Sacramento, felt Texas was going through “the cold version of Aug. 15,” one of two days California implemented rolling blackouts because energy supplies ran short during a widespread heat wave.
    She noticed that in both grid emergencies, some politicians and other observers had blamed a familiar foe: renewable energy. In California, they said, solar panels couldn’t meet demand after the sun set; in the Lone Star State, wind turbines froze.
    The reality in each case was far more complicated, with energy experts insisting renewables weren’t the sole cause. In fact, both states had a variety of problems beyond solar and wind power, including planning failures, structural constraints and trouble with gas-fired power plants…”
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/article/After-California-and-Texas-blackouts-15998587.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result

    All of which could have been easily remedied if the nat-gas plants hadn’t been shut down by government mandate.

    1. Or nuclear power.

      1. Muy betta.

    2. The WSJ had an article with a graph showing power gen by sources over time, and how at least initially gas-fired production ramped up (I think I remember, by a factor of 4), while solar and wind went to zero, and the nuke plants just kept chugging (but had no spare capacity to ramp up).

      Unless the green freaks can make the sun pause in the sky (or magically produce massive battery banks made from the wishes of school children or other non-earth sources), solar can be important but not 100% reliable.

      1. In CA, they’ve been decommissioning nat-gas plants in order to hit moonbeam’s (pulled out of his ass) goal of 50% ‘renewable’.

      2. Red Rocks mentioned his home solar installation, and that while it was nice, in winter it only provided something like 20-30 percent of his home power needs. And, unlike most homes in Texas, I doubt he heats his home with electricity.

        If you’re serious about AGW, and you’re not merely using it as an excuse to drive the West into poverty, nuclear power is your only reasonable option. As Stewart Brand famously realized. https://e360.yale.edu/features/stewart_brands_strange_trip_whole_earth_to_nuclear_power

      3. Nuclear should be able to ramp up somewhat (its got a high baseline, but you can also control the reaction within a reasonable range of energeticness). But more importantly, Nuclear should be paired with an energy-intensive industry that can absorb excess capacity, but can be switched away from at need. (A good example is making freshwater from seawater, which is an energy intensive but interruptable process).

        1. “…(A good example is making freshwater from seawater, which is an energy intensive but interruptable process)…”

          Further, that water could be pumped to a relatively high reservoir, and released through turbines, thereby becoming an energy storage device.

  33. Here’s a good explainer on Twitter Spaces, the company’s attempt to compete with Clubhouse in the audio chatroom sphere.

    Funny, I didn’t see the part of the explainer about how Twitter steals all your private information and the private information of everybody you’ve ever had contact with and sells it to the government.

    1. They’re a private company, they can do what they want.

  34. “FREE MARKETS

    The results are in for a two-year experiment with universal basic income (UBI) in Stockton, California:

    After getting $500 per month for two years without rules on how to spend it, 125 people in California paid off debt, got full-time jobs and reported lower rates of anxiety and depression, according to a study released Wednesday.

    The program in the Northern California city of Stockton was the highest-profile experiment in the U.S. of a universal basic income, where everyone gets a guaranteed amount per month for free.”

    This only belongs under the heading of “Free Markets” in a publication that is openly hostile to capitalism and being sarcastic.

    Anyone who imagines that the Democrats want to replace government services with UBI is delusional. I’d say it’s a Trojan horse for socialism, but they aren’t hiding anything. It’s just naked wealth redistribution.

    P.S. They didn’t get a guaranteed amount per month for free. TANSTAAFL.

    1. Actually, it’s slavery when you think about it.

    2. BTW, that isn’t UBI – the recipients were a select group of 125 people. Exactly under what criteria has never been publicized AFAIK.
      When you try UBI, well, you might not get such results:
      “The results of Finland’s basic income experiment are in. Is it working?”
      […]
      “Initial findings from the first of a two-year programme in Finland, where participants were given 560 euros (around $630) per month, showed positive effects on health and stress, but no improvement in work status.
      “There is no statistically significant difference between the groups as regards employment,” researchers including Olli Kangas wrote in the report. “However, the survey results showed significant differences between the groups for different aspects of wellbeing.”…”
      https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/the-results-finlands-universal-basic-income-experiment-are-in-is-it-working/

      So people tend to be happier getting other peoples money at gunpoint? My gosh!

    3. But its only temporary socialism, until nobody wants to (or is allowed to) earn individual income and wealth. After that, it will be straight communism.

    4. Re: Stockton’s UBI experiment – Let’s dig into the numbers in the linked article a little deeper.

      At the start of the experiment, 28% of the recipients had full-time employment. During the course of the study, folks in comparable circumstances saw a 5% point increase in full-time employment. So if Stockton had done nothing, their expected full-time employment would have been 33%. Instead it was 40%.

      Good news! An incremental 7% of the population got full-time jobs under this program. (Just for clarification, that really is good news. No sarcasm.)

      However, the people who already had full-time jobs (or would have gotten them anyway) did not incrementally benefit from the program. Money to them was arguably unneeded. At the same time, 60% of the recipients took the money and … What did they do exactly? Roll over and go back to sleep? They claim that recipients didn’t spend it on booze or alcohol but that is not the same as saying it was spent wisely. Notably, money is fungible and that 60% were already eligible for lots of other financial assistance.

      So while you could say that this program helped 7% of those in need, you could also say that 93% of that money was wasted. That doesn’t sound like a standard that we should be shooting for when we talk about responsible government.

    5. I’d say it’s a Trojan horse for socialism, but they aren’t hiding anything. It’s just naked wealth redistribution.

      Could I take my UBI and place a bet that it’s just a naked wealth redistribution scheme? $500/mo. isn’t even close to a living wage. Do union dues count against UBI? Why?

  35. There’s a narrative on the left that the Democrats’ growing reliance on college-educated whites is pulling the party to the right

    I suppose there’s a narrative on the left that the moon is made of green cheese, that both Elvis and JFK are alive and well and working at a Burger King in Ypsilanti, that Hunter Biden is a scrupulously honorable man, and that Black Panther is an historically accurate depiction of Wakanda, too. That’s the thing about “narratives”, they can be a complete fiction.

    1. Yeah because collages are ravaged by hard core right wingers

      1. But who ravages colleges?

        1. Frat boys throwing helpless women atop glass coffee tables for abuse?

    2. Haha. Ypsilanti. It sounds funny.

      It isn’t.

  36. Highly educated people tend to have more ideologically coherent and extreme views than working-class ones. We see this in issue polling and ideological self-identification. College-educated voters are way less likely to identify as moderate. So as Democrats have traded non-college-educated voters for college-educated ones, white liberals’ share of voice and clout in the Democratic Party has gone up.

    Keep in mind that this wasn’t the case for many, many decades. College-educated voters tended to vote Republican, up until the last 20 years or so.

    The reasons for this have to do with class concerns more than anything else. People with degrees tend to be upper-middle class–this is a demographic that has long been highly risk-averse and socially conformist. The cultivation of these mostly white-collar professionals was done for the precise reason that were less politically radical than unionized factory workers or miners, and thus the democratization of college education was seen by the elites, initially, as a means to neuter that radicalism.

    As left-liberal ideology became the status quo over the last 20 years, rather than the fringes in academia where it’s flourished since the late 60s, this demographic has aligned itself with it as a status marker. It went into overdrive after Obama was set up by the media as the next President starting with his 2004 DNC speech, and the Great Recession brought home the fact that a college degree, while a social marker of high status, was no longer providing the expected financial return on investment (most of Occupy Wall Street, like SDS and Weather Underground, are from the bourgeoisie, not from the working class).

    1. When the argument was between socialism and its enemies (and that was always the fuzzy line between left and right), college educated people may have known a little something about markets, too. There are plenty of non-college educated people who understand why soaking the rich and giving us all their money is probably a bad idea, but if you were taught a little tiny something in ECON 101, you’re probably less likely to fall for the, let’s soak the rich and redistribute the wealth” argument.

      Actually, this is why I found that Musk headline nauseating. There are plenty of good reasons to oppose corporate welfare. Because Musk is rich is almost certainly the worst of them. That headline treated us like idiots.

    2. Many college educated voters left the GOP because it has become the party of fascism. It’s controlled by simpletons who put Trump above their own country.

      Any red blooded American shouldn’t support the GOP until it’s kicked it’s rid itself of Trump worshippers America haters.

      It sucks the Dems are going so far left, but that beats fascist traitors.

      Red rocks Benedict Arnold why do you put your hard on for Trump and your hard on for Mormons above your own country?

      Are you too stupid to realize that makes you a traitor?

      My guess is you hate freedom.

      Traitor

      1. “it’s kicked it’s rid”

        Boy you fascists are going to rib me on that one.

        I don’t mind that a bunch of Mormon loving, America hating traitors not liking me.

      2. The hicklib faggot pretends to be educated, when he can’t even cite a book he read about facism.

        1. It’s common knowledge fascism is put on the right side of the spectrum.

          The whole persecuting jews and other minorities is right wing.

          You hate gays just like the Nazis did.

          You should know seeing as you’re a fascist.

          1. Speaking of hate… Too fucking easy your posts are nothing but hate nine out of ten times.

            1. Shame on you. My anti Mormon bigotry is SO BAD! But Red Benedict Arnold rock’s homophobia is fine.

              People don’t choose to be gay.
              They can choose what church they go to.

              Hope your rural shithole ranch is doing well.

              1. You’re right – people don’t choose who they love, which is why your lose to that Mormon boy is so tragic. But honestly your schtick is getting boring – grow up and move on or just STFU & GTFO.

                1. Enjoy your stay in hell you Mormon loving homophobe.

          2. It’s common knowledge fascism is put on the right side of the spectrum.

            It’s also a false dichotomy that was established after Hitler violated Molotov-Ribbentrop–the one where fascism is supposedly the direct opposite of communism.

            Yeah, I saw that chart in middle school, too. Turns out it’s bullshit once you read real, actual books like “Modern Times” or “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.”

            There’s nothing about fascism that makes it explicitly “right-wing” sociologically or economically. It’s just another flavor of early 20-century authoritarian socialism. The opposite of communism is anarcho-capitalism, not a system of government that provided robust social welfare programs.

            You hicklib faggot.

            1. I do agree that it’s not as cut and dry as left or right. However so many people on here claim Nazism and Socialism are the same thing. They aren’t.

              I’ll admit I’m dumb for arguing with an uneducated rube like you.

              Trashy traitor

              1. Belligerent bigot!

                1. Mormons are the bigots dummy.

                  People can choose what church they go to and financially support. They choose to go to a church that is destroying America.

                  Fuck their defenders and enablers like you as well.

                  You’re part of the problem.

              2. I’ll admit I’m dumb for arguing with an uneducated rube like you.

                No, you’re dumb because you’re an illiterate faggot, you hicklib faggot.

        2. I’m obviously more educated than a backwards rube like you.
          Just because you’re smarter than all your cousins who live with you in the trailer park doesn’t make you any less uneducated or white trash.

          You’re obviously uneducated trailer trash dude. You can’t hide your backwardness.

          Again I take it as a compliment that an uneducated bigot like you has a problem with me.

          Trashy traitor

          1. Accuses others of hate but relies on hateful stereotypes to attack his political opponents. Has to be a parody. Has to be.

            1. People choose what church they go to.

              Mormons choose to go to an evil church.

              Pretty goddamn simple.

              They’re rotten fucking people.

              1. Good let the hate flow through you.

                1. Let your Mormon blood flow through you redneck.

                  You live in the shithole part of Montana

          2. I’m obviously more educated than a backwards rube like you.

            Citation needed. You can’t even cite a single fucking book you’ve read.

            Hicklib faggot.

            1. When I cited shit in the past all you lying fascists just lie and say it doesn’t count.

              I’m not gonna waste my time on a fascist traitor bigot like you.

              1. Whatever you lexicon loser.

                1. Fuck off Mormon loving bigot.

                  1. Has to be a parody because no one can really be as stupid as your posts are. Calling others bigots while playing nothing but bigotry. And I notice you are now including poorer rural whites in your bigotry. You have to be a parody.

                    1. I notice you live in the rural shihole part of montana?

                      Must suck being a mormon loving fascist?

              2. You haven’t cited shit, you hicklib faggot.

                1. Red rocks is a fascist traitor.
                  I cite that

  37. Curious when Reason will start looking at all the anti gun laws that are being written now while all the other BS is happening. the left are trying to pass as many laws as they can hoping a few will not be noticed

    1. It’s okay because it’s the Democrats and they’re the good guys, and we don’t want to push this whole libertarian thing too far.

    2. Too many gun laws will confuse people and lead them to a choice that may get them killed. Nobody needs 23 different gun laws while children go hungry.

  38. Could we request Reason to have the first paragraph of the roundup always be these counts?
    The number of press conferences Biden has attended where there was no teleprompter or screened questions.
    The number of days until the State of the Union Address.
    The number of executive orders issued vs. the number of laws passed.
    The number of press questions Jen actually answered instead of deflected or circled back.

    1. No.
      We trust that the Democrats have the issues under control, and who are we to question them.

  39. Hello my name is Rev kuck

    It has been 14 days since I last clicked a sullum article.
    He makes it easy with headlines that read “slowly race”. I’m sure he spent hours trying to come up with that one

  40. Your daily reminder that the mormons must be exterminated.
    Anyone dumb enough to believe the bullshit they believe shouldn’t be breeding or forcing it on anyone. Yet they fuck like rabbits and are trying to force their religion and lifestyle on everyone.

    Kill every goddamn Mormon on earth.

    1. What about jews?
      Fascist = The forced uniformity of religion / race.
      Nazism = National Socialism.

      I’d say nothing defines you better than just calling you a ‘lefty’.

      1. Fascism falls on the right. I know you Trump worshipping, America hating fascists are too stupid to know that.

        Mormons want to force their beliefs and lifestyle on everyone. If you support them you support fascism.

        1. “We were the first to assert that the more complicated the forms assumed by civilization, the more restricted the freedom of the individual must become.”
          Moussilini

          “Instinctively we recognized a deeper need—the need to find through government the instrument of our united purpose to solve for the individual the ever-rising problems of a complex civilization.”
          Fdr

          Looks like progressivism is much closer to fascism… Almost like they are the same belief system.

          1. Cherry picking quotes isn’t the same as reading a book.

            I know having Trump’s cock in your throat has cut off your oxygen.

            1. And yet not a single argument about how progressive philosophy and fascist philosophy are different

              1. Hitler and Mussolini hated communists. Hitler banned trade unions. Mussolini made them fascist run.

                Persecuting minorities is obviously the most glaring far right policy.

                To be fair they did have many policies that are left wing(nationalizing industries).

              2. Mostly its funny when all the Trump worshipping fascists on here say Nazism and Socialism are the same thing.

                Hitler hated communists. He hated liberal democracies. Partly because the commies could vote for commies and you’d end up with a bunch of elected commies.

                1. Check any dictionary – National Socialism = Nazism. It’s just an acronym.

                  1. Yes and national Socialism isn’t the same thing as Socialism.

                    Any encyclopedia can tell you that.

                    Sorry to burst your Bible you Trump worshipping fascist.

                    1. Bubble not bible

                    2. You’re a retarded runt

                    3. Don’t care what you think.

                      Mormon loving asshole.

                    4. lmao… What do you think Federal is if it’s not National? Global?

                    5. Nationalism. Like far right nationalism.

            2. You’re welcome to read Mein Kampf. It’s anti-individualist and pro-collectivist. Or peruse a greater body of Mussolini’s work – the quote is reasonably representative. I mean, the very derivation of ‘Fascism’ (from the italian word for a bundle of sticks – the idea being the sticks were stronger bound together than standing alone) is a collectivist idea.

              I mean, I guess it depends on what you mean by ‘right’. Originally in Europe it meant Royalist. It’s use in the US just seems to mean Republican (who mostly aren’t fascists), and its hardly a reliable ideological measure.

              I prefer Collectivist-Individualist spectrum, and a damn large number of modern republicans are not on the individualist end of that spectrum. I don’t care if you call them left, right, or whatever, but the difference between them and the out-and-out socialists is pretty slim. The only real difference between them is who should be the winners when the state owns everything. Pretending they’re somehow significantly different because they’re on the other team is nonsense – indeed, the reason fascists and communists hate each other so much isn’t because they disagree on a lot (they actually don’t), its because they agree on so much that they see the disagreements they do have as blasphemy. (Primarily, whether national vs. international, and whether nationality or class should define the preferred group. Some fascists define nationality in racial terms, but not all).

              And indeed, social conservatives have never been individualists. That isn’t even a modern thing.

              Anyway, arguing about whether fascism is left or right is almost meaningless, because the left-right distinction is mostly about which team you’re on. For all measures that matter, fascism and communism are just different forms of socialism.

              1. The trolls will never admit that Hilter hated anyone that opposed his national socialist party, which the Marxists happened to include the pro-Soviet Marxists. Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, all ended up in the same position, in complete control of the state and in control of the people through unfettered police power.

                You are 100% correct that it doesn’t somehow put collectivists on different ends of the spectrum when all they fundamentally disagree on is who gets the first fuck in the gang rape of the body of the republic.

                1. Mormon fascist traitors love to redefine words to support their take over.

                  Hey Chuck don’t mormons believe in a United Order or something? It’s basically socialism.

                  Kill mormons. Refresh.

                2. Chuck! Did you see where I said “Kill Mormons?”

                  That means you tubby!

                3. You conservatives will never admit Hitler got much of his support from conservatives.

                  Kill mormons. Refresh.

                  Jesus hates you tubby!

              2. To be fair Nazism seems to have a lot of policies that are left wing as well as right wing. Shit usually isn’t as cut and dry as left/right.

                It still doesn’t make the idiots on here who say Nazism and Socialism are the same thing any less wrong.

                1. It doesn’t change the fact that mormons are dangerous and must be stopped.

                  1. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Flag. Refresh.

                    I am done acknowledging your screeds, incel. I will post to let you know you have been ignored, because I can see how it enrages your fragile little ego.

                    1. Oh no the tubby fascist Mormon is flagging my posts! Whatever will I do?

                      Can you cum on your wife’s magic underwear? Does Russ Nelson have to blessit or something?

        2. LOL. The ignorance of the left and fascism remains strong.

          1. Read a book traitor

            1. Cite a book, you hicklib faggot.

              1. I’m not gonna waste my time educating any of you anti American traitors.

                1. Yes, why waste time citing your Imagine Ink book collection, you hicklib faggot?

                  1. Helping America hating fascists educate themselves would be tacitly supporting fascism.

                    I’m not a freedom hating traitor like y’all.

                    Traitors

                    1. The hicklib faggot confirms he can’t read.

                    2. Good one traitor!

                    3. Thanks hicklib faggot!

    2. Your daily reminder that KillAllRednecks is a hicklib faggot with a declining T-cell count. If he tried fucking like a rabbit, he’d be spreading GRIDS to bug-chasers throughout the land.

      Don’t worry about killing him, because GRIDS-related illness will do it for you.

      1. You’re daily reminder that the Trump worshipping Fascist commenters on Reason have no problem with homophobia but a huge problem with anti Mormon bigotry(ironic because mormons are huge fucking bigots).

        People can’t choose their orientation. They can choose what church they go to.

      2. Why do you hate America red rocks? I guess Trump’s dick down your throat is more important than your country.

        Traitor

      3. Save your hysterics for the Portland bathhouse, you hicklib faggot.

        1. Traitor

          1. Hicklib faggot.

            1. Traitor

              1. Hicklib faggot.

                1. At least I’m not a traitor.

                  I don’t support the death penalty, but a lot of people believe traitors like you should be hung.

                  1. At least I’m not a hicklib faggot.

                    I don’t support the death penalty, but a lot of people belive hicklib faggots like you should get the Full Matthew Shepherd.

                    1. Did KAR welch on a drug debt too? I thought he was just butthurt at being shot down by that nice missionary Mormon young man, all those years ago?

                    2. It’s so funny when fascist traitors like you claim to be libertarians.

                      Thanks for proving you’re a fascist.

                      Traitor

                    3. Gray jay.

                      I see you’re on the America hating fascists side.

                      Go fuck yourself traitor

                  2. If anyone believed you knew what the word traitor meant your insult might hold more weight, but as it stands… you’re just a retarded bigot.

                    1. What makes you think I don’t know what Traitor means?

      4. Your daily reminder that this hicklib faggot pederast was jealous of Joseph Smith getting bang a 15-year-old.

        1. You’re the one with Trump’s cock in your throat.

          Traitor

          1. The hicklib faggot loves to post about cocks in throats.

            1. You’re the one who keeps posting about gays dummy.

              You America hating fascist traitors aren’t very bright?

              Red rocks Benedict Arnold is a TRAITOR

              1. You’re the one who keeps posting about sucking cocks, dummy.

                You hicklib faggots aren’t very bright.

                KillAllRednecks Hicklib Faggot is a hicklib faggot.

                1. Traitor

                2. I’m not gay but I don’t mind your taunts because I actually care about civil liberties. I’m not a fascist traitor like you.

                  Traitor

                  1. I’m not a traitor but I don’t mind your taunts because I actually care about civil liberties. I’m not a hicklib faggot like you.

                    Hicklib faggot.

                    1. Red rocks Benedict Arnold is a fascist traitor. You put Trump above your country.

                      Traitor

                    2. KillAllRednecks Hicklib Faggot is a GRIDS-addled faggot. You put dick-sucking above your country.

                      Hicklib Faggot.

                    3. Whatever Benedict Arnold.

                      At least I’m not a traitor!

                    4. Whatever hicklib faggot.

                      At least I’m not a hicklib faggot!

    3. Thanks for making my morning guys! It really let’s me know I’m in the right when I’ve seemed to piss off a bunch of America hating, Mormon loving, fascist traitors.

      Y’all put Trump and mormons above your country.

      You’re traitors!

      Please leave my beautiful country you anti-American fascists.

      1. love a true believer but you’re kinda all over the place dude.

        1. How am I all over the place?

          1. >>America hating, Mormon loving, fascist traitors

            that’s at least four groups of separate people who *might* intersect but only if the winds are blowing just right

            1. Red rocks hates America. He loves Mormons. He is a fascist. He is a traitor.

              1. maybe singularly. you went nationwide:

                >> a bunch of America hating, Mormon loving, fascist traitors

                1. Sorry I wasn’t more clear.

                  1. it was a small complaint. flame on.

                    1. Thanks. Have a great day!

      2. All flagged. All refreshed. Didn’t read a word of your screeds, incel.

        1. Kill mormons. Refresh.

          Have fun fucking your fat ugly cunt wife Chuck.

          Do you keep your magic underwear on while fucking? Is there a hole for your dick? Does the female garment have a cunt hole?

          Can you cum on the magic underwear or is that a sin? What if Russ Nelson blessed it afterwords?

          What’s it like to fuck with garments with pagan symbols on them?

          Jesus hates you!

  41. WTF Democrats??? Foreigners cannot speak here without being tagged but they can illegally move here and vote here by the millions without any investigation?

    And the arrogance it takes to pass a USA law for foreign countries is astounding. Such a concept would require international hubs to tag incoming traffic dumb*sses; not some USA law pretending to dictate the world.

    I won’t mark it off as a stupid bill but it surely was written by the most ‘stupid’ people on the subject. In that sense one has to wonder what deceitfully lies behind the curtain.

    1. Not even ‘here’. *On the internet*.

  42. But Patreon loves a wrongthink cancellation

    And they got stung by Sargon for it. Jack Conti needs to stick with being Nataly Dawn’s backup music.

  43. So my Canadian and German friends can’t post the kitten pictures on Facebook without a disclaimer, just because Biden voters are frightened of Putinbots?

    Conspiracies on the Right to be sure, the Left’s fascination with Russian conspiracies is every bit as destructive.

  44. So a kind of wall… if you will… around social media sites. Got it.

  45. There’s a narrative on the left that the Democrats’ growing reliance on college-educated whites is pulling the party to the right (Matt Karp had an essay on this recently). But I think that’s wrong. Highly educated people tend to have more ideologically coherent and extreme views than working-class ones. We see this in issue polling and ideological self-identification. College-educated voters are way less likely to identify as moderate. So as Democrats have traded non-college-educated voters for college-educated ones, white liberals’ share of voice and clout in the Democratic Party has gone up. And since white voters are sorting on ideology more than nonwhite voters, we’ve ended up in a situation where white liberals are more left wing than Black and Hispanic Democrats on pretty much every issue: taxes, health care, policing, and even on racial issues or various measures of “racial resentment.”

    This is obvious. OBVIOUS. It’s not working-class hispanics and blacks who are demanding 32 different gender definitions, it’s credentialed white people who spent four(or more) years steeped in critical theories. If anyone still chin-scratching over this issue, they’re blind.

    1. The political spectrum is shifting. The Right is turning populist and the Left is turning… Woke? Neoracist? Sorry, but there’s not good term. They still have a distinctly Leftist style, but ideologically it’s confused. It’s a mishmash of critical theory, post-post-modernism, identitarianism, social justice, and classic progressivism. It’s a spectrum pole that can only exist among the elite idle classes.

      The scary thing is that the spectrum wants a scale leading to the opposite, because the politics are going to shake out into two poles. If moderation and sensibility claim the middle, what will the opposite be? My fear it that it will be an equally confusing mishmash of political brutalism, label claiming, and a Right-flavored external locus of control ideology (‘snot my faultism).

  46. The Left are losing their shit over Substack right now. I subscribe to Gleen Greenwald and Matt Taibbi, both highly intelligent and thoughtful leftists whose reporting is like a breath of fresh air for a drowning man. I’m gratified for the opportunity to pay these heroic figures directly.

    But I don’t think it will last. Substack is bound to be deplatformed when the independence of its writers becomes unbearable.

    1. Yes, the sane Leftists are a breath of fresh air. I still deeply disagree with them, but at least the intelligent and offer valid arguments for their positions. Arguing with most people on the Left is like arguing with petulant feral children.

  47. AOC’s arrogance is truly astounding. From the linked article, she says she supports “self-determination for Puerto Rico” but opposes a bill that would set up a vote for Puerto Rican’s to make that very determination. Instead, she wants a panel of elites to make that determination for that whole island. She is literally dictating a framework for them while claiming that “this framework would … not be dictated to them”. She is so far out of touch with reality that it’s no longer even possible to parody her.

    While we’re on the topic of Puerto Rico, we should probably correct a point in the linked article, though. The November referendum did favor statehood but it improperly presented only two choices – statehood vs full independence. All prior votes have presented three choices – statehood, full independence and continuence as a territory. The latter choice keeps winning in all those prior votes.

    1. Puerto Rico votes in favor of statehood

      At Tuesday’s plebiscite, residents narrowly favored statehood with 52% of the vote while about 47% of voters were against it, according to the election commission’s website.

  48. >>Democrats in Congress are still pushing regulations and restrictions

    if only someone would discover a road to fewer democrats.

  49. Sadly you helped usher this era of totalitarian democrats into power.

    And Shriky is wrong as usual.

  50. Red knight earned $16.50 in this thread. Keep it up, Dee, it’s easier than a paper route.

    1. Kill mormons. Refresh.

      Jesus hates you for giving money to a church that lies about him!

      You’re a traitor too. You put you nonsense religion and boner for Trump above your own country.

      Please tell me if you visit the NW

      1. The best part was when I typed “Kill Mormons.”

        1. Huh? Did you write something? I didn’t read it. You lose.

          1. Why reply then?

            You’re the one who worships a pervert god that doesn’t exist.

            You lose!

            Jesus hates you!

            1. Seems like you understand nothing about the most basic tenets of Christianity.

              “But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” – Romans 5:8

              1. “Thou shall have no other gods but me” is one of the ten commandments.

                Mormons don’t seem to obey that. They certainly don’t turn the other cheek or treat non mormons decently.

                They’re a rotten goddamn people who won’t stop till they’ve conquered the country and forced their lifestyle on everyone.

                For our self defense they must be exterminated.
                Id love if they stayed in Utah and left others alone, but they don’t.

                It’s our freedom or them.

                1. Poor little baby – lost love of that Mormon boy so long ago…

                  1. Poor mormon loving bigot Peter

                    1. Did I step in shit? Something smells bad, but I can’t see anything. Refreshing…

                    2. That’s the book of mormon you stepped in.
                      Nothing but manure.

                      Kill mormons. Refresh.

  51. I think Shor and Karp are disagreeing what ‘left’ means. (Its a problem – left/right is not a reliable ideological discriminant, and doesn’t capture much ideological disagreement). Karp, in particular, never uses the phrase ‘the right’ to describe what’s happening to the democratic party. He’s laser-focused on whether party coalitions create a ‘class break’, where one side has real incentives to push for working class laws. In short, Karp is a committed Socialist in an original Marxian sense, and doesn’t see the modern democrat coalition as being conducive to achieving those sorts of ends. He sees identity politics as a distraction from class politics, not a complimentary force.

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  53. I have foreign government connections, relatives that are Democrats!

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