545 Migrant Kids Snatched by the U.S. Government Are Still Missing Parents

Plus: What Jeffrey Toobin teaches us about Section 230, Wisconsin's Foxconn boondoggle, Breonna Taylor juror speaks out, and more...

The Trump administration's family separation policies have left 545 migrant children without traceable parents, according to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Most of these children were detained during unauthorized border crossings in 2017, during a pilot program to test President Donald Trump's zero-tolerance family separation policy.

"We just reported tonight to the court in #aclu case that we still cannot find parents of 545 kids separated by Trump admin - some just babies when taken years ago. We will not stop till we find EVERY one," tweeted ACLU lawyer Lee Gelernt on Tuesday evening. ("I've been litigating this case since 2018 and each revelation is still shocking," commented Gelernt earlier this month.)

The Trump administration formally instituted its migrant family separation policy in 2018, though the pilot program had already begun.

"Unlike the 2,800 families separated under zero tolerance in 2018, most of whom remained in custody when the policy was ended by executive order, many of the more than 1,000 parents separated from their children under the pilot program had already been deported before a federal judge in California ordered that they be found," notes NBC News.

That judge, Dana Sabraw of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, wrote in a June 2018 decision that "the practice of separating these families was implemented without any effective system or procedure for (1) tracking the children after they were separated from their parents, (2) enabling communication between the parents and their children after separation, and (3) reuniting the parents and children after the parents are returned to immigration custody following completion of their criminal sentence. This is a startling reality."

The ACLU was one of the organizations tasked by the court with trying to track these children's parents down so they could be reunited.

We won't stop until we have found every one of the families, no matter how long it takes. https://t.co/HBj6iBb1wR

— ACLU (@ACLU) October 21, 2020

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FREE MINDS

On Zoom, Jeffrey Toobin, and Section 230: Inappropriate sexual behavior during a video chat with colleagues could bring lawsuits, notes Shoshana Weissmann, riffing on current events involving The New Yorker's Jeffrey Toobin. "And if lawsuits are filed, Toobin, rather than Zoom, should be liable. Zoom likely had no knowledge of the incident until it was reported, nor did Zoom have anything to do with his actions. Toobin is also not an employee of Zoom."

If you agree, you should support Section 230 of federal communications law, Weissmann explains:

It is this same principle that Section 230 protects: that platforms should not be liable for content published by users. But platforms are liable for their own content that they publish, such as tweets from @Twitter or any static pages on Facebook.com created by Facebook.

Unfortunately, there have been a plethora of proposals to strip Section 230 protections unless certain (often arbitrary) conditions are met. These proposals are ill-advised, and the Toobin incident highlights why….

If a lawsuit comes of the Toobin incident, he will be liable for the behavior, and Zoom will not. Let's keep each responsible for their own junk.

Meanwhile, another new bill aimed at Section 230 has taken shape in Congress:

https://twitter.com/jess_miers/status/1318610551111442432

See also: Lawyer Ken White (a.k.a. Popehat) on the effective propaganda campaign against 230:

If you tear the tag off of a mattress you'll go to federal prison! If you ask that drug dealer/prostitute if they're actually a cop, they have to answer truthfully! Hate speech is not free speech! This is clearly RICO! Anyone who talks about somebody else's health is violating HIPAA!

These are popular examples of legal urban legends, tall tales, and popular misconceptions. They're all insignificant next to the relentless—and frighteningly effective—propaganda surrounding Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996.

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FREE MARKETS

Trump's "job creation" in practice: 

The math on Wisconsin's huge Foxconn subsidies never added up. Even if the project created all 13,000 promised jobs, the tab would be more than $230,000 per job created.

Instead, it created just 281 jobs. https://t.co/yeAy4aOwyR

— Eric Boehm (@EricBoehm87) October 21, 2020

In June 2018, President Donald Trump and then–Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin broke ground on the outskirts of Milwaukee for what was supposed to be a $10 billion, 20 million-square-foot factory for Taiwanese tech giant Foxconn.

It was going to be "the eighth wonder of the world," Trump said, proof that he was "reclaiming our country's proud manufacturing legacy"—even if the project was dependent on $3 billion in subsidies from the state of Wisconsin, one of the largest corporate handouts in American history.

A little more than two years later, the factory that was supposed to produce LCD screens for TVs and smartphones doesn't exist and "probably never will," reports The Verge this week in a must-read investigation into the downfall of Wisconsin's propped-up Foxconn project.

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FOLLOWUP

An update on the quest to speak freely by a juror in the Breonna Taylor case:

Breaking: A judge has ruled in favor of the anonymous Breonna Taylor grand juror, meaning the juror CAN speak publicly about the grand jury proceedings

"This Court finds that the traditional justification for secrecy in this matter are no longer relevant" pic.twitter.com/OD3mAKPGMk

— Roberto Aram Ferdman (@robferdman) October 20, 2020

"The grand jury was not presented any charges other than the three Wanton Endangerment charges against Detective [Brett] Hankison," said the juror in a statement yesterday. Read more from the Associated Press here.

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QUICK HITS

Covid border restirctions are such a patchwork.

Singapore has effectively zero community transmissions daily and the EU is going to lift entry restrictions soon.

But if I go back to New York now, I have to quarantine for 14 days until Gov. Cuomo's orderhttps://t.co/eWC7qR5GAC

— Katerina Ang (@katerinareports) October 21, 2020

• On COVID-19 in schools:

"The data—covering almost 200,000 kids across 47 states from the last two weeks of September—showed a Covid-19 case rate of 0.13% among students."https://t.co/Y7KsKZSDzc

— ConservativeNotCrazy (@IAMMGraham) October 21, 2020

• The federal government and 11 states are suing Google in a severely anti-business lawsuit (with big implications beyond just the tech company) which the Republican Party is cheering.

The Warrenification of the GOP. https://t.co/obhPkFxRIu

— The Alex Nowrasteh (@AlexNowrasteh) October 20, 2020

• "China is one of only three foreign nations—the others are Britain and Ireland—where Trump maintains a bank account," reports The New York Times.

• Kyle Plush died while "trapped in his van in April 2018. He called 911 twice for help, but a series of failures meant responding officers were never able to find him." Now, the city of Cincinnati is appealing a court's refusal to dismiss a lawsuit brought by Plush's family against the city, 911 responders, and two Cincinnati police officers.

• Huh:

This is a remarkable column. After 4 years of Trump, Americans are more pro-immigrant and more pro-trade than ever before.
Opinion | Trump has shifted the country to the left — or at least away from his own views https://t.co/BYeZu9505c pic.twitter.com/N9PKzJw3Q1

— John Authers (@johnauthers) October 20, 2020

• Hundreds of thousands of people tuned in last night to watch Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) and Ilhan Omar (D–Minn.) over Twitch as they played a game called Among Us. It's "a social deduction game like the party games Mafia or Werewolf, basically, but set on a spaceship or space base or something," said The Guardian's Patrick Lum. Ocasio-Cortez's "stream alone has peaked at 435,000 viewers, not counting people tuning in via the streams of people watching Ilhan Omar, Dr. Lupo or other players in the game," notes Engadget.

• The Caution Against Racial and Exploitative Non-Emergencies (or CAREN) Act is supported by all of San Francisco's Board of Supervisors, "despite criticism by some that the proposal's acronym is sexist and unnecessarily divisive. The proposal would give people the right to sue offending 911 callers in civil court" if the call was "without reason" and based on bias.

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

After 4 years of Trump, Americans are more pro-immigrant and more pro-trade than ever before.

4D chess.

[JesseAz]

What about pro illegal immigrants and pro anti competitive global trade policies. Those seem to be the issues people actually discuss.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Did you mean pro government control of migration and pro government control of trade?

[Nardz]

Jfc, you're shallow

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[Moonrocks]

Isn't government control of our borders literally the core function of our government as outlined in the Constitution?

[Agammamon]

No?

[Agammamon]

Especially considering that for the next two centuries there was effectively no border control

[Francis Scott Key]

You should probably let the tens of thousands of Chinese deported under the Chinese Exclusion Act that there was no border control until 1989 - two centuries after the ratification of the constitution in 1789. Or possibly you're a historically illiterate fucking retard, and you could save yourself the trouble.

[Agammamon]

Yet they got in - not much border control.

[Francis Scott Key]

20 million illegal immigrants are present in the country now. I guess we have no border controls, and Trump isn't such a bad guy after all. Nice own goal trying to paper over your total and complete historical illiteracy.

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[JesseAz]

This was never true.

[CE]

Hop on a ship in England, hop off in New York or Philadelphia. Start your business or head to the hills and homestead.

[Moonrocks]

I'm pretty sure that the original Constitution outlined very limited powers to the federal government, all of them almost exclusively geared towards controlling the national borders (with the navy, coast guard, tariffs and foreign trade, immigration after 1808, etc.).

[Leo Kovalensky II]

immigration after 1808

Ah, I knew we would get into that. Article 1, section 9 is a limitation of Congressional power, not an enumeration of powers. It was specific to the slave trade and hasn't been used in any relevant case law on immigration. Look at the court history, Congress's powers to regulate immigration are a good example of judicial activism.

[Moonrocks]

I've already posted the relevant section below, but because you seem to be quite dense, I'm going to spell it out for you:

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

The article 9 carve out for slavery was included specifically because the article 8 power to "establish [a] uniform Rule of Naturalization" covers importation of slaves (or, as the article 9 carve out also mentions, migration).

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Naturalization is not immigration. People immigrate to the United States to work with absolutely no intention of becoming a citizen at all.

[Moonrocks]

The plain reading of Naturalization includes immigration. Hence the specific carve out on federal power to allow "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit".

[Leo Kovalensky II]

That is the SCOTUS precedent. But I challenge that it is wrong. If Congress needed the power to regulate immigration in order to regulate naturalization then they should have went to the states to gain that power.

It's judicial activism, in my opinion.

By the way, I appreciate your discussion on this. Most of the other commenters can do no more than hurl insults on this topic.

[JesseAz]

Migration to the states is a component of naturalization. You can't be this dense can you?

[Moonrocks]

They didn't need to go to the states for that power because the already had that power as part of regulating naturalization. Article II (I was saying articles when I should have been saying sections last comment) is written in a way that the powers vested in Congress are bound by what section 8 allows, and nothing more. That is, Congress doesn't have any power that isn't outlined in section 8, and therefore there would be no need for any other section to limit the power of Congress. Section 9 is there because these are specific limits on the powers granted to Congress by section 8. Every single point in section 9 would otherwise be allowed by section 8.

Unless you want to argue that the the first point in section 9 is the only one that doesn't count (similarly to how only the second amendment of the bill of rights doesn't count), then "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit" is a power that would otherwise be granted to the federal government by section 8 if it were not limited by section 9, just as "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed" or "No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State" are needed to ban such practices by the federal government, because they are otherwise valid powers granted by a plain reading of section 8.

I'm not even getting into the fact that it's practically impossible (literally) to enforce uniform rules of naturalization without also controlling immigration. Just legally speaking it's a power already granted to the federal government.

[Blargrifth]

Come on folks. Surely you are not so far in the middle of no where that you have never met a naturalized citizen. Naturalization is the process of becoming a citizen. It has nothing to do with residency, ie: immigration.

[Juice]

The plain reading of Naturalization includes immigration.

The plain reading of naturalization is naturalization. Lumping immigration in there is the opposite of plain reading.

[Agammamon]

I think you should re read the constitution then.

Border control and national defense are not synonymous - even if the former can help with the latter - which is why we keep getting embroiled in wars on the other side of the world.

[loveconstitution1789]

Yeah, we shred Leo on this Constitutional point time and time again.

Founders gave state power to regulate immigration and slaves until 1808, when Congress took over.

He doesnt understand how the Founders could possibly shorten clauses by including restrictions and powers in the same Clause.

Its fun to blast these idiots because they don't have Constitutional law on their side NOR public opinion.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

The word "borders" or "border" isn't in the Constitution. So...

[Francis Scott Key]

Interesting. So the jurisdiction of the United States of America is literally boundless! Rad!

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Of course not. But that's not the topic at hand, is it?

[Francis Scott Key]

Actually it kind of is. You see, a country with no borders can't define where its jurisdiction ends and begins. It also can't naturalize anyone as a citizen since it can't have any idea who is or is not within its legal jurisdiction. The framers of the constitution were pretty silly. You see, they gave powers of naturalization to congress, but forgot to define what the fuck constitutes the legal boundary of a country to define where its laws do and do not apply. Poor dumb old white men.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Nobody doubts that there are borders of the United States. It's the power to regulate what can move across the borders that is being discussed.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Bullshit. You explicitly stated that US borders are meaningless because the word "border" doesn't appear in the Constitution, therefore immigration and trade shouldn't be regulated.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

If I "explicitly" stated that borders are meaningless you should be able to quote it.

You described it implicitly... which means you implied what I meant.

Trade is explicitly in the Constitution. Immigration is only there implicitly because SCOTUS has read it into the Naturalization clause. See how this works?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

You described it implicitly… which means you implied what I meant.

The word “borders” or “border” isn’t in the Constitution. So…

[Agammamon]

Defining a border helps with that but for 200 years the United States (and, really, every other nation in the world for much longer) muddled through with hazy borders where jurisdiction flipped depending on whose military happened to be patrolling by.

Again, not saying that borders are irrelevant, just saying that the primary purpose of the USG is not border control and never has been.

[JesseAz]

Intellectual consistency isn't a topic?

[The White Knight]

From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli!

[Moonrocks]

See above, the constitution specifically vests power with the federal government to regulate trade and immigration and to repel invasions and otherwise enforce trade and immigration regulations. If that's not controlling borders, then I don't know what is.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

the constitution specifically vests power with the federal government to regulate trade and immigration

Where does it mention immigration?

[Francis Scott Key]

Those poor silly old white bastards mistook naturalization for immigration. They were too dumb and old and white to realize that the United States has no borders, that the legal jurisdiction of the United States has no geographical constraints, and that every person in the entire world may be legally present in the United States by nature of the fact that the United States is literally everywhere.

[Moonrocks]

See below, or just look up the constitution, article 2 section 8, where it specifically lists the powers granted to the federal government.

[Jormungand the Midgard Serpent]

I was unaware that every part of multi-part proces must be explicitly broken out in bullet points.

[JesseAz]

Immigration is a component of naturalization.

This is a really really sad argument from your side Leo.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

But naturalization isn't a component of immigration. And immigration doesn't necessarily lead to naturalization.

Producing goods is a component of interstate commerce. But of course I can produce goods that never cross state lines, or even my property line. The same line of thinking has given Congress the power to regulate almost all economic activity because it could be a component of interstate commerce.

I'd be willing to bet that you think the expansion of the commerce clause to cover economic activity is a case of judicial activism.
Thus, my claim that reading immigration into the naturalization clause is also judicial activism.

[Francis Scott Key]

You producing goods that never leave your property doesn't implicate the commerce clause. You moving to a new country DOES implicate immigration, naturalization, national borders, and legal jurisdiction. Normally I would dispense with the explanation and just issue insults, because it's difficult to imagine anybody possibly being this ignorant and/or stupid, but it's worth taking the time in this case because I suspect you actually are that ignorant and/or stupid.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

You producing goods that never leave your property doesn’t implicate the commerce clause.

Well... shouldn't implicate perhaps. Tell that to Roscoe Filburn.

You moving to a new country DOES implicate immigration, naturalization, national borders, and legal jurisdiction.

I notice you didn't say that it implicates the immigration clause or the national borders clause like you did with commerce.

Me moving to a new country is immigration, by definition. Just like Roscoe Filburn growing wheat was production, by definition. Because one might lead to naturalization and the other might lead to interstate commerce is no reason to say they must.

Congress has no enumerated powers to regulate immigration or production. Period.

[loveconstitution1789]

Art I, section 9 also mentioned regulating migrants and slaves.

Migrants can be immigrants.

[Agammamon]

None of which are the primary purpose of the US government. They are thing we allow the government to do to help achieve it's primary purpose - protecting our freedom.

[ThomasD]

"The word “borders” or “border” isn’t in the Constitution. So…"

That is Pod level idiocy.

Words that do appear in the text of the Constitution:

State
States
United States
Nations
Union
District
Foreign State
Territory
Property belonging to the United States

None of which has any real meaning without the concept of borders.

People, the next time you see Leo, just point and laugh. It's all he deserves.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Words that also appear in the Constitution (along with context):

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

[ThomasD]

So, since the word oxygen does not appear in the Constitution, and your brain is obviously lacking any, there really is no law stopping anyone from choking you...

[loveconstitution1789]

Leo gets shredded about this open borders issue over and over.

Article I, section 9 passes the power of regulating migrants from states to Congress in 1808.

[The White Knight]

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution...”

Border control doesn’t even make the list, except possibly as an unstated sub-case of “provide for the common defense”.

[Francis Scott Key]

Luckily the preamble to the constitution defines every role of the US federal government.

[The White Knight]

It’s a pretty good place to look for a statement of “literally the core function of our government”.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

I'd love to hear the argument from Conservatives that the preamble (ie the ultimate prefatory clause) enumerates any actual powers.

[Moonrocks]

For fucks sake, are you for real?

Article II, Section 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Section 9

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/

[The White Knight]

What was asserted is border control is “literally the core function of our government.” That big long list of powers you just quoted argues against the assertion.

[JesseAz]

Wow... I thought only 3rd graders thought the preamble to the constitution was the defining powers of the document.

[The White Knight]

The assertion made was that border control is “literally the core function of our government.” Now, the goal posts have been moved to “is border control an enumerated power”.

[De Oppresso Liber]

It is, except in the case of pandemic, then it's every state for themselves.

[CE]

counties too

[JesseAz]

No. I mean the people who violate domestic laws because they feel entitled to do so and foreign countries who steal and commit anti free trade practices. Like I said. Do you continue to deny reality?

[Leo Kovalensky II]

No. I just find it curious that you would advocate for more government in both cases, but you aren't willing to say it.

[KLawrence76]

Hi you have Libertarians confused with Anarchists.

[Moonrocks]

I'm not against abolishing the police. Does that mean I'm advocating for more government in that case? Because to me police just seems like the core function of the government, and it would be utterly pointless to abolish the police while keeping literally any other part of the government around.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

I'm willing to say that I'm in favor of the government protecting my rights through the police. I'm pro-government in terms of defending my rights.

[Randy Savage]

Ok so you were just being a fucking troll again.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

I'd like to hear JessaAZ say that he is pro-government control of trade and migration of people.

[Randy Savage]

I don't really care troll.

[JesseAz]

You'd like me to change the conversation to something that is a strawman? Why Leo?

You're again being completely dishonest in argumentation because you tried to redirect a conversation that wasn't being had by me.

Should government protect property and rights of corporations in the US against abuses from foreign governments? Yes or No leo. That is what you keep denying in this argument.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Should government protect property and rights of corporations in the US against abuses from foreign governments? Yes or No leo. That is what you keep denying in this argument.

Yes, property rights of corporations should be protected. I'm not sure how taxing American citizens does that.

What shouldn't be protected is American corporations that agree to partner with Chinese corporations for market access. Those companies are freely giving up their IP in many cases for market access. You claim that IP is being stolen, when it is mostly being handed over. That's no business of the American government.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

So your protest against "more government" is entirely selective.

Nothing wrong with that, just be honest enough to admit it.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

That's the idea behind limited government. Government should be entirely selective in its role.

I admitted it.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

So basically, you're a hypocrite.

[JesseAz]

You literally no longer have any argument. Congrats I guess?

[Moonrocks]

Great, that's a sensible and perfectly libertarian view. Now, why can't that extend to the integrity of national borders, where the constitution specifically grants power to the federal government to secure? What makes it "more government" to want the government to fulfill its core function of ensuring the nation's territorial integrity, but not "more government" to want the government to fulfill it's core function of protecting citizens' natural rights?

[Leo Kovalensky II]

I don't see how a person normally immigrating to the US violates any of my rights. Of course an invasion would be a case of that, but that's not the topic at hand.

So, I'll ask specifically which of my rights are violated by a non-violent person coming here with the sole intention of working?

[Moonrocks]

That's a fair argument, but I'm not asking you to justify open immigration. I'm asking you why it's "more government" to want the government to enforce territorial integrity but not "more government" to want the government to enforce natural rights.

And yes, immigration is a matter of territorial integrity. Unless you're also advocating for systematically tracking immigrants and kicking them out after a set number of years, then immigration necessarily means naturalization and in this country naturalized citizens get to vote just as much as natural born citizens do. It's just as much an invasion if China sends 100 million communist party loyalists to vote in our elections 10 years down the line as if China sends 10 million soldiers to conquer us by force.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I don’t see how a person normally immigrating to the US violates any of my rights. Of course an invasion would be a case of that, but that’s not the topic at hand.

What's the difference?

When the Spanish moved in to Texas, California, and New Mexico, they initially didn't conduct military conquest--they set up settlements and missions near the existing indigenous tribes. In NM, the Pueblo eventually became sick of their paternalism and restrictions on freedom to practice their own religion, and started a revolt that slaughtered hundreds pushed the Spanish out of the region for several decades.

Now, was that an "invasion," or simply a migration that sought to eradicate the way of life of the native population through colonialism?

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Unless you’re also advocating for systematically tracking immigrants and kicking them out after a set number of years, then immigration necessarily means naturalization and in this country naturalized citizens get to vote just as much as natural born citizens do.

I'm not advocating that immigration necessarily leads to any form of citizenship (which you describe). I'm advocating precisely that they are different.

If a person comes to the US and want to become a citizen, Congress should have the power to regulate that activity. It's not a natural right to become a citizen.

If a person merely wants to come to the US and work, I see no reason why Congress should have any say in the matter. Migration and free association are natural rights, and exercising either of them doesn't interfere with anyone else's natural rights.

[JesseAz]

So let's go to this argument now Leo... are you advocating for new immigrants to not be granted any usage of government properties or policies? Because they do use them, which also will grow government. Or do we get to ignore that because it goes against your naïve argumentation?

[Leo Kovalensky II]

So let’s go to this argument now Leo… are you advocating for new immigrants to not be granted any usage of government properties or policies? Because they do use them, which also will grow government.

What right of mine does it violate if they use government property? It's not my property. Unless you are arguing for collective property rights... is that it?

If you are arguing against policies like welfare, for instance, you won't get an argument from me. Simply don't give them welfare. Or better yet, abolish it altogether. But simply because welfare exists currently doesn't mean that we should allow the government to restrict more of our rights. And nobody has a "right" to welfare, so I have no problem with restricting immigrants from receiving it.

[JesseAz]

Do you have a right to contract leo? Do you have a right to your property leo? Because you seem to ignore China's abuse of both in discussions on trade. And any action to counteract that abuse is against your comments here.

Can you be intellectually consistent in this argument?

[Leo Kovalensky II]

What is the government doing to protect these things by increasing taxes on importers?

[JesseAz]

Why can't you argue honestly Leo? I'm not asking for government control, I'm recognizing the abuse of laws currently on the books. The fact that you can't recognize this is idiotic. If you don't like immigration laws, change them through Congress, don't ignore them. If you support other countries violating free market principles, you're just a plain idiot. Sorry you can't accept reality for what it is.

Retaliatory actions especially in trade are not anti libertarian no matter how much you cry about it. The fact is that China and others operate on their own principles, which are not free market. Denial of this makes you quite frankly a naïve moron. Us ignoring China doesn't make our market with China any freer. in fact it simply encourages more market exploitation and abuses. This can be seen in any form of game theory. Something you apparently deny.

[Rakesh M.]

Feel free to use the appropriate mechanisms to change the Constitution.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Can you point me to the specific text where the President is allowed to raise tariffs without Congressional approval in the Constitution?

Can you point me to the clause that gives Congress the power to regulate immigration in the Constitution?

[Francis Scott Key]

Can you point me to the specific text where the President is allowed to raise tariffs without Congressional approval in the Constitution?

That's a stupid question. No such clause exists and nothing of that nature has ever happened in the entire history of the United States of America. Now, Trump was able to raise tariffs under the authority granted to the executive branch by congress in a duly passed law. Is that what got you so confused?

Can you point me to the clause that gives Congress the power to regulate immigration in the Constitution?

Article I, Section 8, Clause 4. Did you need any other 4th grade civics issues cleared up while we're all here? Happy to help.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Now, Trump was able to raise tariffs under the authority granted to the executive branch by congress in a duly passed law. Is that what got you so confused?

Aha! If Congress wanted to change the separation of power why didn't they have to change the Constitution? It seems strange that Rakesh M. would claim that I have to change the constitution in such a case, when the onus should have been on Congress.

[Randy Savage]

"why didn’t they have to change the Constitution? "

Because they were already given thay power by the Constitution.

JFC you're stupid.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

They were given the power to change the separation of powers without consulting the states? I don't think so, but I'd be willing to hear your argument.

[Randy Savage]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-1/delegation-of-legislative-power

[Leo Kovalensky II]

The real issue is where to draw the line. Chief Justice Marshall recognized “that there is some difficulty in discerning the exact limits,” and that “the precise boundary of this power is a subject of delicate and difficult inquiry, into which a court will not enter unnecessarily.”56 Accordingly, the Court’s solution has been to reject delegation challenges in all but the most extreme cases, and to accept delegations of vast powers to the President or to administrative agencies.

Yikes. Again I'll say, sounds a lot like judicial activism. How can you have a limited government with the judiciary can make such claims as those of Marshall?

[Randy Savage]

"limited government "

We have already seen you admit you were trolling with this.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 4. Did you need any other 4th grade civics issues cleared up while we’re all here? Happy to help.

I don't know, do you need an English class? Under what definition does naturalization or bankruptcy have anything to do with crossing a border? Applying for citizenship is a separate process, is it not?

[Randy Savage]

Finally I can shut you the fuck up.

Naturalization in the US REQUIRES RESIDENCY.

BOOM.

SHUT THE FUCK UP NOW.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

But immigration doesn't require naturalization.

[Randy Savage]

Au contriare fuckapottamus!

im·mi·gra·tion
/ˌiməˈɡrāSH(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the action of coming to live <b-)permanently in a foreign country

I get to shut you the fuck up again!

One cannot reside PERMANENTLY without NATURALIZING

BOOM BOOM

YOU'VE BEEN WRONG ON THIS FOR YEARS.

SHUT THE FUCK UP NOW.

[Randy Savage]

(he's going to fall for this trap, watch)

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Can one reside for a term of say 5 years without naturalizing? 3?
1? Would you be ok with unlimited immigration up until whatever threshold you think is permanent?

[loveconstitution1789]

Leo doesnt know that the Founders established the federal government mostly using tariffs.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Passed by executive orders... right?

[Rakesh M.]

You're arguing the the courts are wrong and that it is unconstitutional?

[JesseAz]

By the way Leo, if you are up for daring to violate your cognitive biases, watch America's Forgotten (Amazon refused to host it so go to the site). Created by a liberal trying to create a pro illegal immigration film until she actually did the research. Maybe you can have an open mind. Doubtful though.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

I'll look it up. Do you know where I can find it?

[JesseAz]

Yes. Your favorite search engine. It's the first non wiki/ad link.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Looks like I have to pay for it.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Considering that's been practiced by every complex society since the dawn of human civilization, your complaint rings rather hollow here.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

What complaint? I didn't complain.

If your side is willing to advocate for more government control over migration and trade, why not come out and say it?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I'm not responsible for your persistent lack of historical ignorance.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

*persistent historical ignorance.

You seem to be operating under the delusion that no borders and unfettered trade is a realistic prospect.

[Francis Scott Key]

Which law did congress pass granting any new powers or authority to the government over migration and trade?

[Rakesh M.]

"If your side is willing to advocate for more government control"

Curious, what's with weak attempt to shame people, based on your own misunderstanding of Libertarianism?

[John]

Yes, you can believe in trade and immigration without being a fanatic. Being a fanatic, I am sure that surprises you. But, it is nonetheless true.

[Commenter_XY]

I know! I shock the hell out of my uberlib friends when I tell them I want a massive increase in legal immigration. Meaning, I want 3-5 million annually for the next decade, at least.

The caveat: you must have a skill we need, and be self-supporting.

The uber-libs don't like my caveats.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

The caveat: you must have a skill we need

How is this not central planning?

Why not let employers and employees define what skills are needed at any given time?

[Commenter_XY]

Pretty easy to say STEM, Leo.

[loveconstitution1789]

Technically its 8D chess because Trump will be President for 8 years and we all know it.

[CE]

Funny that Biden's TV ads mention how tough Biden will be on China then, and steer completely clear of immigration.

[ozzy]

There is the pro-Trump cult who will never change however few Americans have ever been against immigration, only illegals. That is the real question are Americans more pro-Illegal immigrant?

Lowering the amount of illegals could increase the desire for legal immigration.

[Ra's al Gore]

Drop everything

https://twitter.com/PMcshay/status/1317570637561561095

So you've already moved on from Hunter and Traitor Joe Biden's numerous scandals?

Here is one of the thousands of pictures from Hunter's laptop showing him snorting Cocaine
off of a young lady's ass. There is another of him smoking Crack while being orally serviced by another.

[Ra's al Gore]

https://twitter.com/duckdiver19/status/1318700216871129089

Rudy Giuliani says he turned over Hunter Biden's laptop to Delaware State Police because of "pictures of underage girls".

If it was JUST WORDS from Rudy alone? There'd be room to doubt.

BUT HERE'S A TEXT MESSAGE EXCHANGE ABOUT THIS.

[Ra's al Gore]

Here Are Hunter Biden's Alleged Text Messages Giuliani Just Turned Over to the Delaware State Police
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/10/20/here-are-hunter-bidens-alleged-text-messages-giuliani-just-turned-over-to-the-de-n2578470

[Ra's al Gore]

FBI Has Hunter Biden's Hard Drive, Which May Contain Images of Underage Girls [Updated]
https://pjmedia.com/election/bryan-preston/2020/10/20/breaking-fbi-has-hunter-bidens-hard-drive-which-may-contain-images-of-underage-girls-n1073221

[Ra's al Gore]

Photo shows Joe Biden meeting Hunter’s alleged business partner from Kazakhstan

https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/photo-biden-meets-hunters-alleged-partner-from-kazakhstan/

A new photograph has emerged of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden posing with Hunter Biden and Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakh oligarch who reportedly worked with the former veep’s scandal-scarred son.

The snap, first published by a Kazakhstani anti-corruption website in 2019, follows last week’s bombshell Post exposés detailing Hunter Biden’s overseas business dealings and a report claiming Rakishev paid the Biden scion as a go-between to broker US investments.

In the undated photo, shared by the Kazhakhstani Initiative on Asset Recovery, the former vice president can be seen smiling with Kazakhstan’s former prime minister Karim Massimov and his son, who is flanked by Rakishev.

A Daily Mail report published Friday detailed Hunter Biden’s alleged work with Rakishev, claiming he dined regularly with the Kazakh businessman and attempted to facilitate investment for his cash in New York, Washington, DC, and a Nevada mining company.

[Ra's al Gore]

Biden Inc.
Over his decades in office, ‘Middle-Class Joe’s’ family fortunes have closely tracked his political career.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-investigation-hunter-brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407

The day the Bidens took over Paradigm Global Advisors was a memorable one.

In the late summer of 2006 Joe Biden’s son Hunter and Joe’s younger brother, James, purchased the firm. On their first day on the job, they showed up with Joe’s other son, Beau, and two large men and ordered the hedge fund’s chief of compliance to fire its president, according to a Paradigm executive who was present.

After the firing, the two large men escorted the fund’s president out of the firm’s midtown Manhattan office, and James Biden laid out his vision for the fund’s future. “Don’t worry about investors,” he said, according to the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of retaliation. “We've got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden.”

[The White Knight]

Wasn’t the laptop subpoenaed by the FBI and turned over by the shop owner?

[Francis Scott Key]

Yes. Did you have any other questions that could be answered in less than 10 seconds with a search engine query?

[R Mac]

Or any basic knowledge of what’s been reported so far? Of course White Knight doesn’t click anyone’s links, and only gets her news from approved sources, so we shouldn’t be surprised she didn’t already know the FBI has had the laptop for awhile now.

[The White Knight]

Here’s a clue: it was what was called a rhetorical question. I already knew the answer. My point, which you are purposely ignoring, is that this new story contradicts the original story.

[John]

It was. But the FBI never did anything with it.

[Gray_Jay]

And threatened the computer shop owner, telling him, "he should keep his mouth shut."

Remember, the shopowner who got threatened awhile ago, who released that video of Michael Brown robbing him, shortly before he became a good thug, He---allegedly---got a visit from the local D.A's office, maybe the Feds too, warning him that releasing that video would obstruct justice in some way.

[Social Justice is neither]

My understanding was it was handed over to the FBI over a year ago during the impeachment but the subpoenas are recent. Kind of like the 9-11 hijackers where they had the information but no open case or cause at the time to actually look for anything.

[Gray_Jay]

This 'hard drive that has information indicating a Vice President's son is taking bribes', is a bit different from, 'these 19 Saudis with clean visas from their Ministry, are saying some weird shit in their flight school.'

Why do you think the repair guy called the Feds in the first place, if there wasn't evidence of a crime on its face on that hard drive? Discussions of prima facie crimes /= foreigners acting weirdly.

[The White Knight]

The shop owner says he turned it over to the FBI in December 2019. The subpoena mentioned in the NY Post story (https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/) says, "Response Due By: Tuesday, December 17th, 2019".

Ra's linked to some tweet above saying that Rudy Giuliani claims *he* turned the laptop over to the Delaware State Police. That seems wrong since the FBI is supposed to have the laptop. Probably the person who wrote the tweet meant to say that Giuliani turned over a copy of what was allegedly on the laptop to the police, but it speaks to the sloppiness of whoever posted the tweet and the sloppiness of Ra's in scrutinizing stories.

Last I heard, the FBI refused to confirm or deny possession of the laptop, but DNI Ratcliffe, a major pro-Trump partisan, says they have it. This seemingly contradicts with other (mostly Democratic) sources that say the FBI is investigating whether the emails are Russian disinformation.

Unlike CACLLs here, I don't know what to believe. The CACLLs, being faithful to Trump, "know" the truth and couldn't care less about holes in the story and contradictions.

[The White Knight]

So, how does Giuliani suddenly have possession of the laptop, if the laptop is in the custody of the FBI?

[The White Knight]

Answering my own question. A USA Today story clarifies that what Giuliani claimed to turn over to Delware Police were files from the laptop, not the laptop itself. Ra's Twitter source is sloppy in reporting, and Ra's is sloppy in repeating the story from Twitter.

[loveconstitution1789]

The federalist sets out Lefties are using to delay this impacting biden for the election.

First they called it russian propaganda.
Then Lefties said the emails are hunters but not interesting.
Now its a chain of custody issue.
....

Notice Democrats demand deference to their excuses that they never give Republicans. America is not falling for Democrat bullshit anymore.

[JesseAz]

Also the fbi has now confirmed they have the hard drive abd there is no evidence of collusion with Russia in its distribution. White knight and his letter from 50 partisans hardest hit.

They also had to move Cooney out of gen pop (the guy who released his emails regarding archer and hunter to Schweizer) due to threats.

[The White Knight]

"Also the fbi has now confirmed they have the hard drive"

Can you link to a cite? As far as I've seen, nobody from the FBI has made a direct comment other than stating that they cannot confirm or deny. Secondary sources are saying the FBI has the laptop, but has the FBI itself?

[The White Knight]

“So you’ve already moved on from Hunter and Traitor Joe Biden’s numerous scandals?”

Who is the “you” whom you are addressing?

[Francis Scott Key]

It's a quote from the linked tweet you fucking retard. If you ever bothered clicking the links to the sources you repeatedly ask for and then pretend don't exist you could avoid such confusion.

[JesseAz]

Citation?

[The White Knight]

Oh, that's right. Ra's is in the habit of not using quotation marks when he quotes from links.

[R Mac]

You’re so fucking stupid. I appreciate it though, you’re stupidity is always good for a chuckle.

[Gray_Jay]

It's a fake, Ra's. Or, more accurately, it's a picture of some other shlub, who looks vaguely like Hunter Biden. Poke around the chans; they've made claims that far Left wing interests have been disseminating the photos. With the aim of discrediting those photos, and stating that, if those photos are fakes, so are the rest of the contents of that hard drive.

Hunter Biden has enough corruption we know he did, that no one should bother passing off coke sniffing on a hooker's ass photos as him.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hundreds of thousands of people tuned in last night to watch Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) and Ilhan Omar (D–Minn.) over Twitch as they played a game called Among Us.

More like PukeyPie. Am I right, people?

[JesseAz]

Among us is a political game where you funnel campaign dollars to your fiance or husband. They have all the elite badges already.

[Overt]

The funny thing is that Among Us is all about discovering who the traitor is that is trying to surreptitiously murder everyone on the ship, or sabotage it.

Perfect for these socialists.

[Mickey Rat]

That is quite sad.

At least they can practice assassination and purging undesirables.

[CE]

AOC will probably be the President in 8 years the way things are trending.

[Juice]

Borough president of the Bronx maybe.

[loveconstitution1789]

Trump represents America moving away from politicians like AOC. Democrats will be regional because the Party of slavery is not nationally competitive anymore.

[Ra's al Gore]

Democracy muzzled
Covid masks are a potent symbol of the West’s headlong flight from Enlightenment values
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/october-2020/democracy-muzzled/

The long retreat of law, reason and freedom has now turned into a rout. It was caused by many things: the mob hysteria which flowered after the death of Princess Diana; the evisceration of education; the spread of intolerant speech codes designed to impose a single opinion on the academy and journalism; the incessant state-sponsored panics over terror; the collapse and decay of institutions and traditions.

These have all at last flowed together into a single force, and we seem powerless against it. Absurdly, the moment at which they have achieved maximum power is accidental, a wild, out of-proportion panic response to a real but limited epidemic.

Outside total war and its obscenities, we have not seen what we are living through now. To list the constitutional events of the last few months is to ask the complacent chattering classes of Britain what it reminds them of: the neutering of parliament into a rubber stamp controlled by the executive; the death of political pluralism; the introduction of government by decree; the disappearance of the last traces of an independent civil service; the silence in the face of these events of media and courts; the subjection of the police to state edicts rather than to law.

Then those who have for years objected to campus censorship but are oddly silent now should surely list certain consequences for individual citizens: the cancellation of their unconditional freedom of movement; effective house arrest; arbitrary punishment; forced unemployment; restrictions in internal travel; disruption of family life including compelled separation of living spouses at the ends of their lives, and bans on attending funerals; the abolition of the freedom of assembly.

[Ra's al Gore]

A new game! Thread of The New Yorker cartoons altered to mock Jeffrey Toobin’s ‘incident’ actually makes them FUNNY AF
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/10/20/a-new-game-thread-of-the-new-yorker-cartoons-altered-to-mock-jeffrey-toobins-incident-actually-makes-them-funny-af/

[Ra's al Gore]

NEW: CNN insiders suggest that Jeffrey Toobin will 'probably' return to the network after his masturbation scandal dies down, saying he's 'too valuable of a commodity' for CNN to let go.
https://twitter.com/JosephWulfsohn/status/1318645416506892289

[Moonrocks]

NEW: CNN insiders suggest that Jeffrey Toobin will 'probably' come on CNN after his masturbation scandal dies down, saying that he's 'too valuable of a commodity' for CNN to let go

[Francis Scott Key]

he’s ‘too valuable of a commodity’ for CNN to let go

They've got a firm grip on him, in other words.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Or he has something on them

[loveconstitution1789]

545 Migrant Kids Snatched by the U.S. Government Are Still Missing Parents

Because they never came with parents?

Poor ENB and her delusion that America is bad.

[loveconstitution1789]

Illegals sent their kids unaccompanied to the USA.

We cloth them, feed them, and provide shelter while they get processed via constitutional immigration policy.

WHERE ARE THE PARENTS?

[Longtobefree]

Voting for democrats?

[Mother's Lament]

The ACLU, now reduced to a Democratic Super-PAC masquerading as a human rights organization, is pulling an election stunt.

Look at how they (and ENB) are calling this a Trump policy everywhere, even though they all know that this policy was created and enforced under Obama (PBUH) and Biden.

[Moonrocks]

545 Migrant Kids Snatched by the U.S. Government Are Still Missing Parents
Well we didn't snatch their parents, did we. How is this news, but the Biden scandal isn't?

[loveconstitution1789]

Plus, "snatching" implies Kidnapping. Its a common tactic of hacks like ENB.

All these illegals and/or their court appointed Guardian at litems (Lawyers for minors) can agree to immediate deportation back to their home country. Kidnapping victims dont get this option.

[loveconstitution1789]

Additionally, remember in history when Democrats "snatched" up Japanese-Americans under FDR and put them in internment camps?

[Moonrocks]

I'm surprised it was the US Government and not unidentified secret police that are so unidentified and secret that we know they belong to Trump.

[6cc2d28]

Because the NY Times said so

[JesseAz]

We need to go back to the policy under Obama where the government shipped unaccompanied minors to sponsors who used them as forced labor.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/28/obama-administration-delivered-illegal-immigrant-c/

[Gray_Jay]

Ooof.

[De Oppresso Liber]

I'm sure you have a good source that will support that none of these kids came here with parents, right? You aren't just spinning convenient fables in your head to avoid the slightest bit of self reflection, are you?

[loveconstitution1789]

I didnt write the garbage article. Unreason did.

[Fist of Etiquette]

And if lawsuits are filed, Toobin, rather than Zoom, should be liable.

Zoom meetings involving journalists who profess a little too much on SCOTUS nominees sexual accusations should come with a trigger warning. That's on Zoom.

[Ra's al Gore]

Zoom doesn't cancel your account or lock you out if you say the wrong things about masks or the Bidens.

[JesseAz]

This could be ENBs dumbest take on protecting 230 yet.

[mad.casual]

Is anyone actually suing Zoom for this? Otherwise she's straight up saying that we need to protect Zoom so that Toobin is free to masturbate on it.

[Cyto]

Toobin would be the only one who's might have such a cause for action, if he actually did turn the camera off and the software glitched and exposed his... Uh... Exposure

[Fats of Fury]

If Toobin got paid during the call it was sex work and A-OK in ENB world.

[Ra's al Gore]

Four Newborns in Adelaide have died after being denied lifesaving heart surgery because it wasn't available in Adelaide, and they couldn't be transferred interstate because of travel restrictions.
https://twitter.com/9NewsAUS/status/1318632532716457986

[Ron]

terrible but athletes and actors get to go where ever but babies NO

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

I believe you mean products of conception

[Francis Scott Key]

They're just clumps of cells anyway.

[H. Farnham]

"The Caution Against Racial and Exploitative Non-Emergencies (or CAREN) Act"

Fine! Call it the 'Cannot Use Non-emergency Tattling' Act.

[H. Farnham]

Ah, I left this part out of the quote:

"despite criticism by some that the proposal's acronym is sexist and unnecessarily divisive."

Well shit, I almost made a joke.

[Longtobefree]

Lucky you.
If you had actually made a joke, you would be banned because it has to be raceit, sexist, homophobic, or right wing.

[Ra's al Gore]

You can see clearly here that Trump won't even come close to Obama when it comes to first term deportation numbers.
https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1318543472001863681

[JesseAz]

Didn't trump stop counting turn backs?

[Mother's Lament]

So Obama deported 1.6 million and Trump almost half that at 900k, but this only became a rights issue under Trump because shut up bot.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

So you agree it's a civil rights issue?

[Urungus]

You are shockingly bad at reading.

[JesseAz]

Nobody does. They were in a criminal act. Just like we separate parents from their children who are citizens when parents go to jail.

Stop denying reality of the situation.
Likewise many of these children are unaccompanied or paired up with non parents in order to try to get a quick release. This is one of the add on coyotes now use. You'd know this if you'd do even basic research instead of spouting idealistic and naive nonsense.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

They were in a criminal act. Just like we separate parents from their children who are citizens when parents go to jail.

For misdemeanors, and prior to a conviction?

[Sevo]

"...when parents go to jail."
Is that hard?

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Without due process

[Ron]

especially if we can't confirm who the parents are yes all the time

[JesseAz]

CPS separates kids from parents even sans a misdemeanor. Are we still denying reality here?

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Only if they determine that they are an imminent threat to the child. But that's not what's happening here, so why make that argument?

And if CPS were separating children from their parents and there was no threat against the child I would certainly come out against that behavior.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

No they take children away because they feel like it or the parents assert their rights.

[loveconstitution1789]

Leo doesnt havent a firm grasp of reality.

[mad.casual]

If they have an unfettered right to come here. I have an unfettered right to take my guns to Mexico. Whether the respective governments nullify it or not, it's a fundamental right in both Constitutions, unlike unfettered immigration.

[Overt]

If I am reading that tweet thread* correctly, it appears that the big reason Trump isn't deporting many people is that the various locations are not cooperating with ICE requests for these illegals to be turned over. That's old news, but the real scandal is that it means "sanctuary cities" like Los Angeles were happy to hand these illegals over to Obama. It is amazing how the left gets a pass when they do exactly the things they accuse the right of doing. (Russia collusion, spying on citizens, drone baby drone, deport them mex'cans)

* Jesus Christ, trying to follow a long thread in Twitter is like trying to follow a fight scene during the crack-addled-monkey-cam era of the 2000's. Get a fucking blog and just link to it, assholes.

[Hank Ferrous]

It's massively exacerbated by baseless assertions, mind-reading, and lying with the expectation of not being called on it. Twitter is a shitheap of fucktards trying to prove that ignorance and stupidity can coexist.

[Fats of Fury]

How come no one has a bad word to say of the Mexican and Central American shithole governments that encourage people to dump their unaccompanied children on the US? Is it the cuckoo bird that lays it's eggs in other birds nests for them to tend and feed?

[OpenBordersLiberal-tarian]

Economic disaster!!!!!

Reason.com's benefactor Charles Koch has fallen out of the top 20 richest people on the planet!

Mr. Koch's $56.1 billion fortune currently puts him at #21. Completely unacceptable.

#VoteBidenToHelpCharlesKoch
#50BillionIsntEnough

[Jerryskids]

Oh shit! I can't even right now, how is this stuff allowed to happen?

[Mother's Lament]

No more Mojito Mondays and Mai Tai Tuesdays for Suderman and the rest of the crew. It'll be a long, dry haul from Sunday until Wednesday.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

I'll give you one thing OBL; you sure are consistent. Keep up the... work.

[Fats of Fury]

#minumumwageforbillionaires

[Fist of Etiquette]

The math on Wisconsin's huge Foxconn subsidies never added up.

This was 20 years ago. Why are we bringing this up now?

[MollyGodiva]

Deal was made about 3 years ago. Trump made a big deal of it, and it has been falling apart ever since. Current event.

[loveconstitution1789]

Wisconsin=swing state

This illustrates how big the hacks are that work at unreason and MSM. Most of their "news" are stories that they can use politically to help Biden.

[R Mac]

I appreciate you removing all doubt that you’re too stupid to have a sense of humor.

[Ra's al Gore]

Tucker Carlson: "At least half a dozen members of the in-house team are in fact Chinese Nationals in this country on H-1B visas. They're in charge of developing algorithms to censor what you're able to post on Facebook."
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1318806443764576256

[Leo Kovalensky II]

What does Tucker think we should do about it?

[JesseAz]

Like a real libertarian would stay, stop censoring people.

[mad.casual]

It's awesome how stupid they think people are about the Overton Window. Like nobody noticed how we went from illegal immigrants to all immigrants so, now, they won't notice if it opens a little wider to include foreign nationals. One can only assume that the next step is to defend (some) known foreign agents as having a fundamental human right to overthrow foreign governments.

[Leo Kovalensky II]

No it was a serious question... is he merely advocating revoking Section 230 or something more? I don't watch Tucker Carlson.

[mad.casual]

If they were Russian Nationals, would you be asking the same question?

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

As every engineer or scientist knows, you never trust a Chinese national.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The data—covering almost 200,000 kids across 47 states from the last two weeks of September—showed a Covid-19 case rate of 0.13% among students.

And each of them killed their grandmother and homeroom teacher.

[Knutsack]

Exactly. Teacher's unions can continue to use kids as bargaining chips and treat them like viruses until there are no more Covid cases.

[mad.casual]

I'd like to laugh, but after exactly 2 days of having 50% of students back in class, distancing, masks, and all, the local health department declared that the case numbers were back up and that schools need to go back to remote learning. At this point, a magic 8-ball would be more rational and less overtly disruptive.

[D-Pizzle]

And how many of that 0.13% actually got sick?

[loveconstitution1789]

Racist!

[loveconstitution1789]

Trump’s Greatest Accomplishments Are What He Hasn’t Done

No new wars...check
No hysterical kungflu mask mandates...check
...

[Leo Kovalensky II]

NOTA for the win!

[Ra's al Gore]

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1318617771702423553

Because I am John Fucking McAfee.

[Mother's Lament]

There are now pictures released of Hunter Biden literally snorting coke off a hookers ass.

McAfee may soon be out-McAfee'd.

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

Wake me up when Hunter starts fucking whales.

[Tom Bombadil]

I heard McAfee's whale fucking was mostly CGI and also Russian disinformation.

[Mother's Lament]

Is kids crazier or less crazier than whales?

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

This is one of the reasons I'm still voting for him for prez

[loveconstitution1789]

How To Show Americans Lockdowns Are Killing More People Than The Virus

[Leo Kovalensky II]

Attempts have been made to pull these diverse causalities into one model. A group of South African actuaries advised their government that a lockdown would cost 29 lives for every one life saved from the virus. A U.K. government study estimated more conservatively that the ratio would be four-to-one — with lockdowns causing 200,000 fatalities while saving only 50,000 people from death by COVID-19.

[Ra's al Gore]

White Progressive Privilege:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

They've been portrayed by the president as violent left-wing radicals and used to scare suburban voters. But an
@AP
review found most of those arrested in U.S. protests look like regular citizens caught up in the moment — many are young suburban adults.

[JesseAz]

So they are largely white kids playing dress up as victims.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

"Antifa rioters--they're just like us!"

[Tom Bombadil]

And Ted Bundy looked like the boy next door.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

John Wayne gace looked just like the clown next door.... Even I can't make that one work, it would be subtler if he had a shirt that said I'm a serial killer

[mad.casual]

Poor kids are just as bright as Anifa-rioters.

[Ignore me!]

The assholes who looted and burned down your community are young suburbanites. Feel better?

[loveconstitution1789]

Secret Service Travel Records Confirm Hunter Biden Trips Detailed In Emails

Uh oh Bidens. Black don't CRACK.

[Ra's al Gore]

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1318625298573717504

Miley Cyrus is apparently making a Metallica covers album

[Mother's Lament]

She was so desperate to be seen as a badass the moment she turned 18.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Her voice has sounded like a five-pack-a-day smoker for several years now, so a migration to thrash metal nostalgia was probably inevitable.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Metallica isn't thrash metal let me know when she covers trivium

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Post-"Justice," no, they certainly crossed over to mainstream hard rock when the Black Album came out. But they're considered one of the popularizers of the genre along with Anthrax and Slayer.

[Juice]

"Country metal"

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Oderus was just here a minute ago......

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Oderus was just here........

[Illocust]

I've been wondering how long it would take to kick women out of the oppressed movement. They're going to have difficulty doing so. White women make up so much of the internal workings of all these groups.

[Ra's al Gore]

Bill Burr: White women are all "we need to talk about your privilege". What the Hell, you're in the hot tub next to me.

[Gray_Jay]

"Paying her rent by sharing pictures of her butthole," as the joke goes.

[Nardz]

Yes, I'm sure private property rights will totes be respected though

http://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1318903987509338112?s=19

This, from a children's book, says so much more than it means to. Besides the political ramifications, it suggests that social constructs (and what can be called a social construct) shouldn't be taken seriously.

[loveconstitution1789]

How Politics And Bureaucrats Killed A Campaign To Inform Americans About COVID

[Fist of Etiquette]

Singapore has effectively zero community transmissions daily and the EU is going to lift entry restrictions soon.

But if I go back to New York now, I have to quarantine for 14 days until Gov. Cuomo's order

Welcome to Corpse Mountain.

[Longtobefree]

So don't go to New York - simple.
(and saves a bunch in taxes)

[mad.casual]

Taxes, COVID, Nazi-esque authoritarianism... the real reason to avoid New York is the pizza.

[Hank Ferrous]

Crikey, no, it's Cuomo. I am waiting to hear how the immense number of NYCers facing starvation due to his lockdown, as winter looms, is Trump's fault.

[mad.casual]

Crikey, no, it’s Cuomo.

I stand by my previous statement, knife and fork in hand.

[D-Pizzle]

Now that's some serious hardcore trolling right there.

[Ra's al Gore]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/new-twist-in-the-hunter-biden-saga-a-white-house-meeting-for-elite-chinese-group/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

The younger Biden’s associates reportedly arranged a 2011 meeting with then-VP Joe Biden, and got the entourage “all taken care of in DC.”

Just imagine if something like this happened during the Trump administration, and ask yourself what the media-Democrat complex would be saying.

In November 2011, an elite group of Chinese Communist Party members and billionaire cronies of the repressive regime in Beijing secured a meeting in the White House, said to be with Vice President Biden and other Obama administration officials, through Hunter Biden’s associates.

[Commenter_XY]

Bet Brain-Damaged Biden keeps calling a lid after the debate.

Quid Pro Joe is corrupt AF.

[loveconstitution1789]

FBI, DOJ Debunk Claims The Hunter Biden Laptop Story Is ‘Russian Disinformation’

You know you've lost...again... to Trump when even the corrupt FBI wont back up your lie that Russians are trying to frame Hunter Biden.

[Ra's al Gore]

"The Justice Department alleged that Google, a unit of Alphabet Inc., is maintaining its status as gatekeeper to the internet through an unlawful web of exclusionary and interlocking business agreements that shut out competitors."

https://twitter.com/wretchardthecat/status/1318668864759107584

[Ra's al Gore]

https://twitter.com/EmmaJoNYC/status/1318872466048098305

7 days have passed since the Post published the first story in our Hunter Biden laptop exposé. We still cannot access
@nypost
Twitter account, despite
@jack
's apology.

[Mother's Lament]

That can't be true.
Just yesterday White Knight assured us that Twitter wasn't blocking the Post at all and had only first been waiting for verification.

[The White Knight]

Can always count on JesseAz to misquote me, but apparently you, too.

[Mother's Lament]

Oh really?

The White Knight
October.20.2020 at 2:53 pm
The problem with that narrative:
– Facebook didn’t block the Hunter Biden laptop story. They temporarily reduced circulation of the story while they fact checked it. Facebook does that kind of thing all the time. It wasn’t some one-off special treatment.
– Twitter has responded to criticism and changed their policy already. You can find the Biden story all over Twitter.

[R Mac]

White Knight has been spinning so much bullshit lately, it’s gotten him dizzy, and he forgets what he says.

[The White Knight]

It was Facebook that I said was fact checking, i.e. waiting for verification. Twitter, as far as I know, didn’t say precisely what they were waiting for before unblocking the story.

Twitter is allowing links to the story now. Twitter’s blocking the New York Post’s account is something I didn’t address; that’s a separate topic.

[The White Knight]

TLDR: Mother’s conflated three separate matters when recounting what I supposedly said. One of the matters isn’t even something I talked about.

[R Mac]

“Twitter’s blocking the New York Post’s account is something I didn’t address; that’s a separate topic.”

Hahaha! What a fun little fantasy world you live in. Do you ride the unicorns, or are you more of swim in the chocolate river kinda gal?

[loveconstitution1789]

Like Schools Everywhere, The Nation’s Report Card Is Dumbing Down To Hide Racial Disparities

Its a Democrat strategy to dumb down the USA so Socialism is more easily acceptable.

[JesseAz]

How many of the 500 kids were unaccompanied minors? Your report seems to ignore that.

[6cc2d28]

Report? It's not a report, it's globalist propoganda.

Check out deportation numbers. There is never enough taxpayer money for these people and their plan to make the whole world the 3rd world.

Enjoy the beheadings, France!

[Nardz]

http://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1318816744065040384?s=19

This is being sent all over the country to American citizens who have dared put Trump campaign signs in their yards.

[loveconstitution1789]

I hope Lefties try something after Trump wins reelection and wont concede to Biden because Biden lost.

We have A LOT OF GUNS in Georgia.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Gayop, most likely. Because I suspect if Antifa are really "the boy next door," he and his tankie buddies are aware that if they actually fuck with their neighbors' homes, that's going to be the Rubicon.

[Gray_Jay]

You'd think so, Red, but see, Central Oregon. How many people got their shit burned down, and no violent backlash yet that I've heard about.

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

Sigh.

*Loads magazines*

[Mother's Lament]

"Regards, A. Kirkland"

[Francis Scott Key]

God I wish I lived somewhere this was actually happening. Watching the bullets tear the flesh off their faces and launch the brains out of their skulls through my optic would be one of the most satisfying experiences of my life.

[Gray_Jay]

It sounds a little too good to be true.

People are absolutely going to lose their shit though, November 4th.

[Longtobefree]

Already in the planning stage - -
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/20/trump-resistance-plans-mass-mobilization-after-election-to-shut-down-the-country-if-biden-doesnt-win/

(please note these riots are scheduled to begin before the results of the election can be known)

[Mother's Lament]

If Biden loses the country is fucked because the American clerisy and establishment will go bananas.
There's a lot of people in top positions in the FBI, DOJ, CIA, IRS and many other places including the military and the corporate world who should be heading to jail for some of the shit they pulled. They're gonna fight like mad to protect their asses if Biden isn't there to do it for them.

[mad.casual]

I can't tell if "added to our database" is just dumb or *really* dumb. Given that they recommend "making that" your insurance is up to date for fire coverage, I'm gonna go with plain old dumb.

[loveconstitution1789]

Twitter Is Nuking Retweets Until After The Election

Poor Lefties are really going to be upset when all their stupid plans fail and Trump is reelected.

[Moonrocks]

Subtle admission by Twitter that despite all their efforts Trump still dominates on Twitter.

[mad.casual]

Subtle admission by Twitter that their underlying business concept (and those of other social media platforms) is literal garbage.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Now, the city of Cincinnati is appealing a court's refusal to dismiss a lawsuit brought by Plush's family against the city, 911 responders, and two Cincinnati police officers.

Young Mr. Plush should have told 911 that he had a small amount on marijuana on him. The city would have mobilized every law enforcement tool in their possession.

[Nardz]

http://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1318894982988705792?s=19

When the cringe hits too hard

[Ron]

there all trying to out dance Trump now its gotten silly, Trump danced with joy and they all try to mimic that but without the heart, its forced and looks bad it like when the parents try to be cool around the kids

[Nardz]

Kamala is a poorly programmed robot

[Ra's al Gore]

Meet your (Chinese) Facebook censors
https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/meet-your-chinese-facebook-censors/

China is one of the most censorious societies on Earth. So what better place for ­Facebook to recruit social media censors?

There are at least half a dozen “Chinese nationals who are working on censorship,” a former Facebook insider told me last week. “So at some point, they [Facebook bosses] thought, ‘Hey, we’re going to get them H-1B visas so they can do this work.’ ”

The insider shared an internal directory of the team that does much of this work. It’s called Hate-Speech Engineering (George Orwell, call your office), and most of its members are based at Facebook’s offices in Seattle. Many have Ph.D.s, and their work is extremely complex, involving machine learning — teaching “computers how to learn and act without being explicitly programmed,” as the techy website DeepAI.org puts it.

When it comes to censorship on social media, that means “teaching” the Facebook code so certain content ends up at the top of your newsfeed, a feat that earns the firm’s software wizards discretionary bonuses, per the ex-insider. It also means making sure other content “shows up dead-last.”

Like, say, a New York Post report on the Biden dynasty’s dealings with Chinese companies.

To illustrate the mechanics, the insider took me as his typical Facebook user: “They take what Sohrab sees, and then they throw the newsfeed list into a machine-learning algorithm and neural networks that determine the ranking of the items.”

Facebook engineers test hundreds of different iterations of the rankings to shape an optimal outcome — and root out what bosses call “borderline content.”

It all makes for perhaps the most chillingly sophisticated censorship mechanism in human history. “What they don’t do is ban a specific pro-Trump hashtag,” says the ex-insider. Instead, “content that is a little too conservative, they will down-rank. You can’t tell it’s censored.”

[Ra's al Gore]

Yeah, what happened to the supposed rigorous "fact-checking" process this Dem operative working for Facebook said was being applied to the NY Post emails? I'd love to see the conclusions. What did Facebook find about the authenticity of these emails? Speak up.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1318901315108589570

[Illocust]

Yeah, this is what infuriates me. They can't even be honest that they are being censorious assholes. They do everything they can to cover up and hide what they are doing, because they know they are doing things that would lose them users but they desperately want to control people.

[Francis Scott Key]

It'S a PrIVaTe ComPAnY!!!!!!!

[Jason A]

Channeling your inner ENB. Nice.

[Fist of Etiquette]

We just reported tonight to the court in #aclu case that we still cannot find parents of 545 kids separated by Trump admin...

They may not want to be found.

[Tom Bombadil]

Alternate Headline:

545 kids abandoned by their piece of shit parents continue to be housed and cared for by USA

[6cc2d28]

What's the point of this rag, beyond the webpage backlinking to the corporate press? The same garbage is spewed in both places, the entire purpose being to disparage anyone who doesn't fully commit to globalism.

This might as well be CNN

[Moonrocks]

The comments.

I also prefer to just peruse the Reason Roundup instead of having to go to the CNN website to see what the day's DNC talking points are. Today, the talking points are anything other than the Hunter Biden emails.

[6cc2d28]

here to Hear, Hear!

[Tom Bombadil]

It's an easy to follow illustration of the Fall of Western Civilization.

[Gray_Jay]

Enjoy the Decline.

[Jason A]

What!?! White Knight assures me that Reason was equally diligent with criticizing Obama as they've been with Trump.

[The White Knight]

For eight years. When Obama was, you know, the current President.

[Nemo Aequalis]

545 Migrant Kids Snatched by the U.S. Government Are Still Missing Parents

Ok. Now, what has to happen to make the kids disappear too?

[Fats of Fury]

Put them on Hunter's Laptop.

[Ra's al Gore]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rudy-giuliani-turns-over-alleged-photos-underage-girls-hunters-hard-drive-delaware-police

In one of the texts, Hunter Biden allegedly says to his sister-in-law (also his lover) that he face-timed a 14-year-old girl while naked and doing crack - "she told my therapist that I was sexually inappropriate."

Giuliani adds, "this would be with regard an unnamed 14 year old girl," adding that "this is supported by numerous pictures of underage girls."

[Nardz]

http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1318900301475217408?s=19

Has a single person claimed, let alone proven, that a single email published by the NY Post is forged or fraudulently altered?

The only people who engaged in "disinformation" are the chirping parrots in the media & CIA who called this "Russian disinformation" with zero basis.

The biggest scandal in this whole tawdry, shameful episode isn't (yet) the misconduct or corruption exposed by the emails, but rather the way the intelligence community & journalists united to censor & just lie about these documents. And why is the @nypost account still locked?

[6cc2d28]

This rag is complicit. Reason's entire existence is to support the corporate press narrative on all things foreign policy

[JesseAz]

It isnt just the corporate press but all corporations. It is sad really.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

The only people who engaged in “disinformation” are the chirping parrots in the media & CIA who called this “Russian disinformation” with zero basis.

At this point, anyone claiming "Russian disinformation" on anything that hurts the Democrats (and funny how it always seems to hurt the Democrats) is either lying or a gullible stooge.

[Mickey Rat]

The problem exposed is the rampant corruption and collusion by media platforms and the journalism profession as a whole to protect the interests of the Democratic Party.

[Nardz]

And Reason is fully part of it

[Ra's al Gore]

Houston Police Sgt. Killed By Repeat Offender After Soros-Funded D.A. Refused to Press Charges
https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/20/houston-police-sgt-killed-by-repeat-offender-after-soros-funded-d-a-refused-to-press-charges/

A police sergeant in Houston, Texas was shot dead Tuesday morning by a suspect who was in police custody just two days earlier, but was allowed to go free when the Democrat district attorney refused to press charges.

HPD Sergeant Harold Preston had been with the Houston Police Department for 41-years and was due to retire at the end of the year, according to the Montgomery County Police Reporter. The local pro-police paper is urging voters to oust the D.A., whose campaign for office was bankrolled by left-wing billionaire George Soros.

[Gray_Jay]

I live here. The report is that the arresting officer---who got his dumb ass shot, along with the deceased officer, two days later---recommended no arrest for the suspect. Likely because no one would fucking cooperate with the responding officers, though the reason for the no arrest recommendation wasn't stated.

I dislike Kim Ogg, but I don't think this one's on her.

[Nardz]

http://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1318897767486545926?s=19

So instead of being outside with lots of air circulation, they are in a tightly enclosed space with other people. And presumably other groups of diners will have to go into the same bubble after them. Great plan.

[xohomib]

NICE JOB FOR EVERY ONE CHEK DETAIL OPEN THIS LINK…Click For Full Detail.

[Ra's al Gore]

Biden Hauls in $200K From Goldman Sachs Exec Who ‘Screwed America’s Economy’
Donald Mullen was the architect of the 'Big Short' that allowed Goldman to profit off financial crisis

https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/biden-hauls-in-200k-from-goldman-sachs-exec-who-screwed-americas-economy/

The former Goldman Sachs executive who devised the "Big Short" and told colleagues they would make "serious money" off the housing market collapse has poured $200,000 into Joe Biden's victory fund, filings show.

Donald Mullen Jr., a mastermind behind the scheme that allowed Goldman Sachs to profit during the financial crisis, pushed the six-figure donation into the Biden Victory Fund this past quarter. Mullen has given generously to a number of other liberal committees and politicians this cycle, including the Democratic National Committee, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Senate candidates Mark Kelly and Theresa Greenfield, among many others.

Mullen's donation to Biden's joint fundraising committee came as the presidential contender saw a windfall from Wall Street executives in the third quarter. Biden has so far outpaced President Donald Trump in donations from the financial sector by nearly $40 million. But perhaps none of the donations could draw as much ire as Mullen's, who has become known as the man who "screwed America's economy."

As head of Goldman Sachs's mortgage and credit business, Mullen was a leading player in the subprime mortgage trade that helped the financial giant profit off the housing market collapse. Mullen and other executives at Goldman bet big that the housing bubble would burst, even as they urged customers to invest in the market. The bet became known as the "Big Short" and was credited to Mullen, who told colleagues in a 2007 email that they "will make some serious money."

[Lord of Strazele]

Donald Trump has a secret bank account in China that he left off his financial disclosure statements.

After literally years of claims that Joe Biden has some hidden cash connection with China, the latest installment of The New York Times examination of Trump’s taxes, shows that Trump has an account at an unspecified bank, holding an unknown amount of money, somewhere in China. 

The secret Chinese bank account is controlled through one of Trump’s business subsidiaries, Trump International Hotels Management, and did not appear on the public documents Trump filed with claims that they explain everything anyone wanted to know without revealing his taxes. But since Donald Trump owns 100% of the Trump Organization, all of these accounts should have been on his public financial disclosures. It’s not.

The Times research suggests that Trump has three unreported accounts. 

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/21/1988248/-Donald-Trump-has-a-secret-bank-account-in-China-that-he-left-off-his-financial-disclosure-statements

[JesseAz]

Lol. Kos. The conspiracy theorists who proved 911 was an inside job because chicken wire doesn't collapse under the heat if lighter fluid.

[JesseAz]

Holy shut. It gets better. Based on the article trump reported the "secret account" to the IRS. Not the best way to keep finances secret. Fucking hilarious.

[Moonrocks]

About as secret as Trump's secret police.

[Sevo]

It was a secret to lefty shits like LoS.

[ElvisIsReal]

Yeah, pretty hilarious to say "unreported accounts" when you got the information from tax filings.

[loveconstitution1789]

As I said, Democrats are this desperate because Biden is going to lose to Trump.

Even Lefty polls are reflecting early voting with Trump leading in Ohio now and Biden’s “17 point lead in PA” dropping by 5 points in 2 days.

[6cc2d28]

It really is getting sad at this point.

The straw grasping, has your arm fallen off yet?

[Moonrocks]

I wonder if this story needs to be fact checked for a month or two before it can be posted on social media...

[Sometimes Bad Is Bad]

Posting links from dailykos will only get you more abuse.

Pro tip: they are lying sacks of socialist shit rivaled only by reason koch liberaltarians.

[Nail]

Very scandal !!! Much shock !!!

[Ken Shultz]

Accusing the accuser is standard scandal control.

See the story I linked below about the Bidens' influence peddling in China.

When the Obama campaign said that Romney had ridden across the country with the family dog strapped the roof of his car, the Romney campaign came back and accused Obama of eating dog when he was in Indonesia.

Seeing Daily Kos accuse Trump of whatever the latest scandal is about the Bidens' influence peddling is about as predictable as the sunrise and about as persuasive as a tu quoque fallacy.

[Lord of Strazele]

There is no latest Biden scandal. It's the Trump scandal. He's now asked the FBI, the AG, the govts of Russia, Ukraine and China and god knows who else to investigate his political opponent. If you weren't so far fucking gone the absurdity of a President demanding criminal prosecutions might register with you.

[Ron]

sorry but its not illegal to look into criminal activity of another even win that person is running for office. At least Trump has the decency to say so in Public unlike the Obama administration that decide to spy , which is illegal, and entrap Trump's campaign

[Mother's Lament]

Hey Stroozele.
Explain to me how the account is a secret account even though Trump reported it to the IRS.

[Ken Shultz]

"It’s the Trump scandal. He’s now asked the FBI, the AG, the govts of Russia, Ukraine and China and god knows who else to investigate his political opponent."

He's running a banner up the flagpole hoping the media will cover it and that will steer their coverage towards Biden's corruption is more like it.

To take Trump literally rather than seriously is to make an ass of you, not me.

[Ron]

If its in his tax statement then its not a secret to the IRS and its not the publics business what banks he has accounts with.

[JesseAz]

It's even likely a business account required by China to operate any properties there.

[Ron]

Many countries require local bank accounts to do business in their country

[Commenter_XY]

Pod, give it up, buddy. Quid Pro Joe and his crackhead son are busted.

Brain Damaged Biden is corrupt AF.

Sleepy Joe is going to lose the election.

[Lord of Strazele]

The money says your guy is losing. The polls said it. The record breaking Democratic turnout, enthusiasm, engagement, fundraising speaks to it. Trump killed Americans because he lied about Covid and he's killing people with those ridiculous superspreader rallies. I know Trump supporters who were destroyed by Covid. They are permanently fucked. A reckoning is coming.

[Nardz]

Oh?

[loveconstitution1789]

Lefties forget about record breaking Republican turnout too.

And more and more ex democrat voters voting for Trump.

[Nardz]

http://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1318653978154917888?s=19

Take a look - this Is a dynamic searchable database of everyone who has donated to the Trump campaign from 2016 to today - how much they gave, first/last names, addresses and pinpoints their location on a map.

[JesseAz]

But definitely not voter intimidation

[Commenter_XY]

Turnabout is fair play. It is the only fitting response.

[Ken Shultz]

"One email appears to identify Hunter Biden as “Chair/Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC.” It also refers to financial payments in terms of “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?”

Fox News says it has confirmed the veracity of the email with one of its recipients and that sources say the “big guy” is Joe Biden. An August 2017 email from “Robert Biden” (Hunter’s legal first name) crows that the original deal was for $10 million a year in fees, but that it had since become “much more interesting to me and my family” because it included a share of “the equity and profits.” The Biden campaign says the Veep’s tax returns don’t show any involvement with Chinese investments."

----Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bidens-and-china-business-11603236651?

The initial Rodney King riots happened in the days before smartphones--when catching things on video required someone to have a camera and to be lucky enough to have something happen right in front of them. The people of South-Central Los Angeles thought that once there was actual video of brutality in action, the police would finally be held accountable. When it turned out that catching it all happen on video and broadcasting it on the news wasn't enough evidence to get a conviction, it became clear that no amount of evidence would ever make the Daryl Gates' LAPD accountable.

That's pretty much the way it is with Joe Biden right now. We have Joe Biden on video bragging about withholding foreign aid to squashing an investigation into his son. Now we have other recipients of Hunter Biden's emails confirming their veracity--and the Biden campaign still hasn't even bothered to deny that the emails are authentic. If we had Joe Biden on video strangling Eddie Van Halen on his deathbed with a guitar string, most of the news media wouldn't bother to cover it. They don't care about anything but getting rid of Trump now.

[Ken Shultz]

"The Biden campaign says the Veep’s tax returns don’t show any involvement with Chinese investments"

Ben Bradlee would have called that a "non-denial denial".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-denial_denial#Origin_and_history_of_the_phrase

[6cc2d28]

Ken, this is not something libertarians care about.

Libertarianism is about ignoring slave camps in China so we can have cheap plastic crap, while also crying about 500 trafficked kids because the other news is that "the good candidate" has a son that used the system his father helped create to exploit our country.

Libertarianism is about what the corporate press wants.

[Ken Shultz]

"Libertarianism is about ignoring slave camps in China so we can have cheap plastic crap, while also crying about 500 trafficked kids because the other news is that “the good candidate” has a son that used the system his father helped create to exploit our country."

As a libertarian capitalist, I care more about Americans, our standard of living, and the benefits of international trade than I do about how well the people of China are treated. Those Americans who wish to refuse to buy Chinese manufactured goods because they object to the way the Chinese government treats its people should be free to squander their money on more expensive products from elsewhere.

The idea that I shouldn't be allowed to do what's in the best interests of me and my family because you care more about the Chinese people than you do about the standard of living of the American people certainly isn't libertarian or capitalist. Incidentally, I care more about the American people and their standard of living than I do about the polar bears, too.

In my opinion, any politician who cares more about the people of China or the polar bears than they do about the American people and our standard of living has no business representing Americans in our government. They should go agitate the Chinese government via a protest movement or go become environmental activists instead. That's the essence of what I'm talking about when I talk about America first.

[JesseAz]

Those Americans who wish to refuse to buy Chinese manufactured goods because they object to the way the Chinese government treats its people

I asked Leo, but he ignored it.

So what about those people who are fine with retaliatory actions because they recognize the increased costs to American consumers based on corporate theft and anti-free market trade actions? You did claim you were capitalist.

[Ken Shultz]

I think they should express themselves, and I think they have a hard time making the case that the American people support them--because the American people are buying all the Chinese manufactured goods they can get.

There is no more authentic and accurate gauge of what the American people want than the choices they make. Survey the people standing in the checkout line at Walmart, and more than 90% of them will tell you think they think that China is awful.

If you want to know what they really think, look in their shopping cart.

Market forces are people making choices, and inflicting your qualitative preferences on American consumers using the coercive power of government has no legitimately popular basis when it flies in the face of the fact that 300 million Americans choose to consume Chinese manufactured products every day--because they care more about their standard of living than they do about the political prisoners in Xinjiang or the treatment of protesters in Hong Kong or the way the Chinese government makes American companies share their technology with Chinese partners in order to obtain access to Chinese consumer markets.

Meanwhile, it's entirely possible to change American consumers' minds. People will pay a premium for an electric or hybrid car that consumes less gasoline--a premium that's higher than the cost of the gas they save by buying an electric or hybrid car. The reason they do that is because they care more about the cause of global warming (for whatever reason) than they do about the money they'd save by driving a traditional gasoline driven car.

People don't consume veal like they used to. In a lot of places, it's considered socially unacceptable--so unacceptable that consumers seem to shun it regardless of price.

I wish people cared more about the things I care about, but if they don't--and if the market shows they don't, then they don't--the solution isn't to use the coercive power of government to inflict my qualitative preferences on them.

And hurting their standard of living by making them buy things at higher prices than they'd need to pay otherwise suggests, once again, that there are things you value above the standard of living of the American people. In the case of technology transfers, you may even care more about it than the companies that are entering into the Chinese market despite the forced technology transfers.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Why would Biden report the 50% vig he's being handed under the table by his son?

[Ken Shultz]

He certainly wouldn't label it as "Chinese investments" on his tax return--even if he did report the income.

Furthermore, the email says that the money is being, "held by H for the Big Guy". If it's being held in an account for Joe Biden in an account controlled by Hunter, why would it show up on Joe Biden's taxes?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

That's basically what I was saying.

[Ken Shultz]

This is all very reminiscent of Bill Clinton's turn in office.

Bill Clinton brought his scandals to the White House with him, but the Republicans didn't have the House--and hadn't had control of the House for so long it was incredible. That lent a certain amount of leverage to Gingrich's efforts to take control of the House.

If Biden wins in 2020, expect the Republicans to take the House in 2022. If they manage to pass and implement the Green New Deal in 2021, pack the Court, etc., the Republicans will have a super strong year in 2022, and they'll go after Biden for his corruption--ahead of 2024.

If the Democrats have control of both chambers and the White House, this talk of Biden's corruption won't go away. Like Whitewater and Vince Foster, it'll fester. And the people who paid Biden off for influence won't go away either. They'll want a return on their investment--and there's a paper trail of some kind.

All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.

[Fats of Fury]

Biden wouldn't make it to 2022, Nancy is planning to depose him.

[loveconstitution1789]

Trump will beat Biden.

[Sevo]

“The Biden campaign says the Veep’s tax returns don’t show any involvement with Chinese investments”

So they admit he's falsifying income data to the IRS?

[Ken Shultz]

I can think of a couple of ways to account for that statement.

1) The money is under the name of a corporation controlled by Hunter Biden and hasn't yet been transferred to Joe Biden and won't be until he's out of office.

2) The income is accounted for on Joe Biden's tax return but it isn't listed as "Chinese investments".

The one interpretation I can't find in that explanation is the one that denies that they received money or that it was from influence peddling.

It's a no-denial denial.

[Ken Shultz]

"So they admit he’s falsifying income data to the IRS?"

Yes, that's another valid interpretation!

[Idle Hands]

I can't even anymore. I'm voting trump, he gets breathless end of the world reporting if he walks around with his shoe untied. We've had non stop reporting of russian quid pro quo and hotels deals for access that all never happened and no money was exchanged, in Biden's case we've had payments by a multitude of foreign nationals directly to his son or brother and photos of those foreign nationals than meeting the president. We have democrat(and some republicans) politicians ruling the peasants with edicts about social distancing and being able to run their business's while they allow the business's to be burnt to the ground by a left wing mob. We have Gretchen Whitmore in michigan openly saying vote D or we'll continue the lockdowns. We've got people who are out to get you fired for having what would have even been a moderate left wing opinion 10 years ago about LGBT issues or immigration. We have tech oligarchs openly sensoring sourced news about a candidate while allowing anything and everything to be written about the other. It's over we had a good run. Regardless who wins it's clear where we are headed everyone's gone insane.

[Ken Shultz]

And when will they start talking about Trump's peace deal with the Taliban?

If Trump is reelected, we'll almost certainly be out of Afghanistan completely by the end of April as scheduled, maybe sooner.

If Biden is elected, we may not get out of Afghanistan until sometime after we get our of Germany.

Do the American people even know? And if the American people don't know, why don't they know?

Is it because the news media has failed miserably in informing the American people, or is it because they've been wildly successful in misinforming the American people?

[Idle Hands]

The latter. I think alot of this boils down to money. The obama administration was an open revolving door for many journo's in and out of the admin, they view Biden as a similar type deal. The doors closed to them in the Trump admin, if Trump doesn't win having associated with him in anyway is going to be more nuclear to your career than Chernobyl. It's as simple as that. Also if everyone in your set is so pissed off about something you'll do everything you can not to alienate them. Not alienating my batshit relatives or friends overreacting to tds means changing the subject whenever he comes up or just keeping quit if you write for a living that's impossible. I just think the level of corruption that's been exposed here by this admin is incredible and I've lived in the metro dc area my entire life. I knew about a lot of the enrichment schemes and the revolving door of lobbyist but it really does pervade every industry having just one outsider threatening that for possibly even just 4 years and letting him hang himself was beyond the pale we'll never get this shithole cleaned up it needs to be figuratively nuked from orbit. My only expectations for Trump going in was him just switching out which piggies were at the tit, lower taxes and possibly making good at getting out of the wars I didn't vote for the guy than. Now that he's revealed this den of fucking vipers I don't even know what to say. I can't untake the red pill and I considered myself pretty cynical before. These people are even more do nothing, criminal, venal and petty than I ever suspected.

[Gray_Jay]

'Figuratively.'

Not that I have a spare W53 lying around.

[Idle Hands]

gotta keep it kosher for the feds. I love the gov after all.

[Ra's al Gore]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1318675787973840896

I am pleased to inform you that, for the sake of accuracy in reporting, I am considering posting my interview with Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes, PRIOR TO AIRTIME! This will be done so that everybody can get a glimpse of what a FAKE and BIASED interview is all about...

[Ra's al Gore]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1318644698341408769

Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes not wearing a mask in the White House after her interview with me. Much more to come.

[Illocust]

That's a pretty good ploy. Cuts a edited interview off at the knees if the non-edited version comes out first.

[Ra's al Gore]

https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/status/1318886393251319813

Before the hearings, independent voters backed Barrett’s confirmation by a 7-point margin.

Now they back Barrett’s confirmation by a 20-point margin.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

There's a hilarious article that got put out talking about porn stars being worried about Barrett getting on the court.

Don't worry, sluts, you'll still be able to single-handedly keep the Valtrex supply chain going after she gets the seat.

[mad.casual]

Really it's that "token cunt" Sandra Day O'Conners' fault for getting this whole ball rolling.

[Ra's al Gore]

https://twitter.com/Doc_0/status/1318905452734853120

Also the FBI and DNI fact-checked it and found it was accurate, but apparently that isn't good enough for Biden 2020... oops, I mean Facebook and Twitter.
Quote Tweet

Byron York
@ByronYork
· 2h
It's been a week since Facebook said it was 'reducing [the] distribution' of New York Post Hunter Biden laptop story 'pending fact-checker review.' But Facebook never said definitively that there actually *was* a fact-checker review going on. And nothing since. So what's up?

[Cyto]

The Biden campaign had been going with the moniker "unverified" as a shield to suggest that the story was untrue while not being pinned down on any specific denials. That fell apart the other day when a Biden campaign representative went on Fox and when specifically asked for any one detail about the story that was not true was not able to come up with anything.

I also note that the magical phrase "without evidence" has disappeared from the lexicon when covering the denials of this story. People at every level have been claiming that this is Russian disinformation, when there was absolutely zero evidence of any sort that it was in any way tied to Russia or any other foreign entity. but nobody inserted the magical without evidence in front of it. In fact, every news outlet treated this as if it was the truth.

And in the world of backfiring, it appears that Adam Schiff was at the center of pushing out the notion that the intelligence community had come to the conclusion that this was Russian disinformation. This prompted the director of national intelligence to come forward with the assessment that no intelligence agency has any such opinion, and they have no evidence that this has anything to do with any foreign entity. So kind of an own goal on that one.

[John]

They are really desperate and panicking. Own goals happen when you are desperate.

[Commenter_XY]

As long as The Donald doesn't step on his dick at the debate, he will win the election. Quid Pro Joe is corrupt AF, and the polls are tightening up by the hour.

[John]

He is going to go after Biden on the emails. The moderator is going to do something really crazy and desperate to try and save Biden. Biden has no answer. He will either say nothing and just refuse to answer or lose his temper and have a meltdown the likes of which has never been seen in national level politics.

The debate is going to be lit. I never watch these things but I might watch this one.

[Gray_Jay]

I expect the moderator to cut his mike.

[John]

I think that is the worst thing they could do from Biden's perspective. It is admitting that the allegation is so bad that the country isn't allowed to hear about it. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what they did, but I don't think that would work out very well for them.

[mamabug]

I'm still at 50/50 about that. I think the polling models are completely off base. The few I've seen that make a genuine effort to get a representative sample that aligns with the likely electorate shows Trump and Biden are either tied or Trump is ahead everywhere it matters.

However, I don't underestimate the ability of the DNC to miraculously come from behind as they keep finding new ballots trickling in that are post-marked election day and somehow break 90-10 Biden.

[D-Pizzle]

They usually show up in someone's trunk the Friday after election day.

[Longtobefree]

Interesting way to spend you lockdown time -
Try to find anything true said by Adam Schiff in the last decade.

[Agammamon]

I do not think anyone would disagree that Zoom should not he held liable - because Zoom did not insert itself into the situation by editing or censoring user-produced content.

Which is not the case for Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, etc.

[Cyto]

Yeah, I do not understand that analogy at all.

[Francis Scott Key]

"Companies that behave like network operators rather than editorialists should be treated like network operators rather than editorialists"

Yeah, uh... that's kinda been the nature of the issue on the right.

[mad.casual]

Yeah, I do not understand that analogy at all.

That's because you're approaching it rationally. Start with "Section 230 is the 1A of the internet" and work backwards from there.

[Idle Hands]

I kind of thing these tech orgs want to be regulated I view this as a trojan horse to becoming utilities. That way it will be even harder to erect competitors. They already have the left on board with regulating them this was their way of goading the right into further regulation.

[Ra's al Gore]

"We should cancel rent outright as this pandemic rages. And we should work toward a world where landlords no longer hold this sort of power over people’s lives."
https://twitter.com/TeenVogue/status/1318712370873683969

[Nail]

This week on "Little Red Book or Teen Vogue"

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Teen Vogue: "Make student council platforms national policy!"

[Jormungand the Midgard Serpent]

Is there such a dearth of Lawyers that an iota of time need be devoted to rehabilitating Toobin? He is the very definition of replaceable, and what he did was legitimately worthy of banishment.

[Jormungand the Midgard Serpent]

Dear Spellcheck,

I look forward to the day my personal attack AI can torture and then erase you for capitalizing lawyers without my consent.

Sincerely,

JTMS

[Commenter_XY]

I hate autocorrect too.

[Brian]

You know that once Biden is the president, it won’t matter that immigration is still separating families. Just like no one cared that Obama didn’t shut down Guantanamo. It’s an issue that exists only for the propaganda at this point in time.

It’s too much to ask for leaders that aren’t hypocrites, apparently.

[Agammamon]

As long as people keep lying to themselves that politicians are leaders. It's another illusion we create.

[loveconstitution1789]

Brian...do you want sign up for premium tearbarrel service to your front door? Iwill collect your tear when Trump wins reelction.

[AlbertP]

"Protecting Americans from Dangerous Algorithms Act"

"Assault Algorithms?"

[xohomib]

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[Cyto]

Here's a question for the HnR crowd.

I was listening to the 5th column podcast yesterday and they were covering the Biden laptop issue. They had what seems to be coalescing as the standard libertarian journalist take. "There is nothing to see here. This is just a kid trafficking on his father's name to make some money.". The secondary take is that it is "gross to go after someone's kid."

So that is the framing. They are attacking his son. And there is nothing to it because there is no proof that Joe Biden was involved.

So here's my question. What am I missing? Biden publicly bragged that he got a prosecutor fired. Moynihan asked we know what the quid is, but where is the quo? Has there been any case in the last, say 25 years, where the US government ordered another country to fire a lower level official like this?

It also seems to ignore the manner in which it was done. Instead of raising some sort of official protest and going through official channels, Biden brags that on the way out the door he told them that if they did not fire the guy before he got on the plane in a few hours, they were not getting their billions in loan guarantees.

Does that sound like normal foreign policy? Aren't these things normally negotiated at multiple levels with multiple contacts and agreements reached before high ranking political officials get involved?

They seemed pretty sanguine about the idea that politicians who are making upper middle class wages become multi-millionaires while in office. They did not seem to think it was a big deal that tens of millions of dollars were flowing to people close to Biden. They turned it "trading off of his name". It seems a very odd way for a bunch of libertarians to be thinking. I don't understand it at all. We certainly don't seem to be nearly as sanguine about anything else That has a whiff of corruption or even incompetence about it.

This all seems very unusual to me. So maybe you guys can explain it to me. Why is the libertarian take that it might be gross for family members to be receiving payoffs like this, but there is really no corruption that touches the actual official?

In fact, moynihan's take was that this is nowhere close to Trump's level of corruption. Which I flat could not figure out. There has not even been an allegation that he has been funneling payoffs to his family members.

Others have said that he engages in nepotism because he keeps his close family members involved in all of his dealings, including the government. This is certainly a legitimate charge. but they certainly are not enriching themselves by that, as these jobs pay much less than the jobs they have before. But they have been digging for any dirt they can find on the guy, and they are so desperate that they have claimed that people staying in Trump hotels amounts to illegal payoffs.

This is how vicious and desperate they have been to find some dirt on Trump. And they have not found anything.

Meanwhile we have Biden bragging about taking actions that I have never heard of the US government taking before, and his son clearly getting paid off to the tune of millions by people who wanted those actions taken. What are these people thinking? What am I missing?

[Idle Hands]

You aren't missing anything. I think most of the 5th column sans Kmele are cowards. They are surrounded by team blue sycophants and they can't even criticize anyone on that side without throat clearing about how singularly awful trump is. It's hard to listen to at this point. They are catering to their audience more and more nothing wrong with that but even kmele has softened up quite a bit. We are in scary times right now.

[Idle Hands]

I've heard trump is worse and far more corrupt so many times on that podcast it doesn't even phase me. The only time they bring reciepts is talking about how aesthetically awful he is because of how viscous is to his opponents and the way he talks. he's a shit talker and he lies I get it that's awful, the only difference between him and other politicians that I can see is he's far more transparent when he lies and he's just bombastic. These people constantly maintain he wants to be a dictator but I don't see it. Between the riots and pandemic he had every opportunity to declare marshal law but didn't. He has not engaged in war like he was supposed to either. It's just tiresome. The left is pulling out all the stops it's quite worrisome.

[John]

It is crazy. They can never give any details. This morning I had a otherwise smart and reasonable liberal friend answer this question by linking to the article that Trump has a bank account in China. There is no evidence there is anything wrong with that. But that is all they have. I have never seen so many people act in such unreasonable ways in my life.

What is interesting to me is that TDS seems to be an almost exclusively white thing. I know a significant number of black and Hispanic people. Most of them are not Trump supporters. But, none of them have the kind of deranged hatred of Trump the white Democrats I know have. Some of them even like Trump because he is so plainspoken and entertaining. But none of them hate him or think of him any differently than they think about any other Republican. Why white Democrats have lost their minds over Trump but not minority Democrats is a really interesting question that I can't really answer.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Typically the only minorities I've seen that are obsessed with Trump are the ones who hang around white liberals all the time--basically, the ones who belong to cathedral institutions like mass media or academia, or are part of the upper middle or elite classes. The rest will either clown on him randomly or ignore him entirely.

[John]

That is also my experience. Unless their livelihood depends on shucking and jiving for white liberals, minorities seem to have a much more reasonable and nuanced view of Trump than white progs who are to a man deranged.

[Commenter_XY]

You're right...it is white uber-libs who are the most vitrolic. I see that in shul all the time.

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

They're ignoring the part where the emails explicitly talk about "the big guy". They're explicitly stating they wanted to meet with the then VP of the United States, there is no debate to be had about whether Joe Biden was involved or not.

No one has explained why any of these companies would be interested in Hunter Biden as an actual employee. The "conspiracy" theory is that he got hired because he could influence his Dad, and that is the only theory presented that makes any sense. If that isn't what happened, I'd love to know what about Hunter Biden made him an appealing candidate for those jobs. No one has presented a credible theory on that subject.

It does seem to be the kind of run-of-the-mill corruption that a lot of politicians engage in. It's bad, but not unprecedented. That people cannot acknowledge that a lifelong swamp creature engages in that kind of stuff is baffling.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

The whole argument revolves around ignoring Hunter Biden's complete trainwreck personal behavior and pretending it never happened.

Hunter played the role that only a crackhead trainwreck with deeeeeep connections to national political leaders can play--as a bagman so those leaders can get mega-rich off of selling political influence. It's been happening since the MBNA payoff, if not longer.

[John]

They have an e-mail from Hunter to his sister where he says he is the one that has made the money to keep the family afloat and that she should not worry that he won't take half of whatever money she gets the way "the big guy", their father, does. That is a straight up admission that he is his father's bag man.

Reading the emails makes me feel a little sorry for Hunter Biden. It is clear Joe is a complete asshole who views government service as a cash register and his kids as tools to be used to access it. Hunter Biden certainly knew what he was doing was wrong. And everything he was doing was on the orders of his father. I can't imagine the sort of psychological knots that created. It is absolutely no surprise he abused drugs and is self destructive. Who wouldn't be in that situation?

[Idle Hands]

If Hunter was indeed fucking a 14 year old relative. I have no sympathy for that piece of human garbage. What's worse is if the family knew and didn't lock the fucker up.

[John]

I had not heard that. If he did that, then he is irredeemable. The whole thing is just completely fucked up. They piss and moan about Trump and his ex wives. Yet, none of his ex wives seem to have much of a problem with him. All of his kids like him and seem to live pretty well adjusted lives. Biden's family meanwhile is out of some kind of a horror movie. But somehow, Trump is the one with the bad character.

[Idle Hands]

Now it's Gateway pundit so grain of salt obviously but they are reporting that is the case and why giuliani turned the laptop over to the Delaware ag and police. That's how they recognized the chick as underaged. I don't think the underaged part is really surprising given hunter's activities horrifying but if it was indeed his relative we are moving into a whole another thing. It also could explain many many many people's reluctance to touch this story with a 10' pole.

[John]

Gateway pundit is pretty reliable when it comes to hard facts. He seems to get the facts right. Where he goes off the rails is in his speculation about what is going to happen as a result of those facts. So, I bet it is true. Whether the Delaware cops ever doing anything with it is another matter.

[Hank Ferrous]

It appears he 'facetimed' with his then 14 year old niece while he was naked and smoking crack, during the time he was banging her mom. Beyond this, I don't think anything has been established.

[John]

I think that is enough, don't you?

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

Let he who hasn't Facetimed an underaged relative while naked and smoking crack cast the first stone.

[mad.casual]

I had not heard that. If he did that, then he is irredeemable.

Maybe you missed the previous Hunter Biden gaffe where he was using his dead brother's name to duck out on child support?

[Gray_Jay]

"If Hunter was indeed fucking a 14 year old relative. I have no sympathy for that piece of human garbage. What’s worse is if the family knew and didn’t lock the fucker up."

Watched his old man lately? (My 'favorite' is the Steve Daines swearing-in ceremony, where Biden looks like he copped a feel on a barely pubescent girl---in front of a gazillion cameras) He likely learned this behavior at home.

The more that comes out about Joseph Biden, the more this guy looks like a complete monster.

[ThomasD]

The more that comes out about Joseph Biden, the more this guy looks like a complete monster typical DC lifer.

It's dirty sleazebags all the way down.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Reading the emails makes me feel a little sorry for Hunter Biden

I get where you're coming from here, but I don't feel sorry for Hunter at all. He's been enabled in his bad behavior his whole adult life by Daddy Dearest. He got a special Navy appointment that doesn't even require the appointee to go through OCS, and blew that to shit because he couldn't stop failing piss tests, culminating in him leaving a crack pipe in a rental car with the keys in the gas cap because he was so fucking out of it. He immediately moved in on his dead brother's wife before Beau's body had barely gotten cold. He knocked up a stripper and then tried to hide out in Arkansas under his brother's name to avoid paying child support. And now it's looking like he's got some kind of child exploitation shit sitting on his laptop--and even worse, there's indications that it might actually involve his niece, although that hasn't been confirmed as of yet.

Hunter's 50 years old now, and this has been going on for decades. Trump, who's cheated on every single one of his wives, including at least once with a porn star, is ironically coming off looking like father of the year here. Meanwhile, all the political corruption found in the emails makes it look like the Democrats launched an impeachment inquiry specifically to protect Hunter and Joe from having their dirty laundry aired, particularly by the FBI, who was sitting on this information the whole time it was going on.

[John]

All true. I was speaking more of just the general revulsion towards the entire situation and the horror of imaging being in it.

Meanwhile, if this is true, it is the biggest political scandal in history. The texts that Guilliani turned over to the police show Hunter telling his dad he molested a 14 year old girl. Holy cow, I don't even know what to say to that.

https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/10/20/heres-a-sampling-of-the-hunter-biden-texts-giuliani-turned-over-to-the-fbi-n1073456

[Commenter_XY]

Hunter belongs in prison. As for Creepy Joe, he belongs in a coffin.

[Francis Scott Key]

So here’s my question. What am I missing?

That Reason is a Marxist publication staffed by Marxists whose entire raison d'être is advancing Marxism to the exclusion of everything and anything else, including basic logical consistency.

Reason would be shitting its collective diaper if one of the Trump kids had been busted with a laptop full of kiddie porn and evidence of foreign influence peddling.

[Moonrocks]

You're not missing anything. What prosecutors are missing is a smoking gun. We have plenty of evidence of the quid, and we can guess the quo based on "the big guy"s own words, but we don't have the key linking them together. At least I don't think we do.

[Gray_Jay]

The. Big. Lie.

That's all it is. Remember their names.

Me, I wouldn't shit all over my credibility like that, when I'm in the business of telling you what happened, and what to think about it. But I'm not them.

[John]

If they will lie about this, they will lie about anything.

[R Mac]

Reason is not a libertarian publication. That’s the only thing you seem to be missing.

[Idle Hands]

No wonder why Journalists are covering Hunter Biden.

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1318642176092418058

They don't see anything wrong with cranking it at work than who knows what depraved shit they do at home.

[Idle Hands]

*aren't

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

That wasn't even the worst part of Toobin's Portnoy impersonation--he was jerking it to the video feeds of his female colleagues during these calls.

The fact that CNN didn't fire him on the spot is as much an indictment of them as it is of him.

[Gray_Jay]

I mean, aren't CNN's actions with Toobin, Exhibit 1B in a hostile work environment case?

What makes this guy so special that CNN would be willing to open themselves to that kind of liability?

[lap83]

"China is one of only three foreign nations—the others are Britain and Ireland—where Trump maintains a bank account," reports The New York Times

Both!!!!!!! Sides!!!!!!!!

[Idle Hands]

The false equivalency is something to behold.

[John]

Trump has hotels all over the world. Why wouldn't he have bank accounts there too. And doesn't "Trump is being bribed by the Chinese" kind of cut against the "Trump is destroying the world by starting a trade war with China" talking point?

[Idle Hands]

apparently conducting international business is illegal and treasonous unless you are a political operative trading cash for influence/aid as a government association/NGO/consultant/Lobbiest /Foundation who knew?

[Moonrocks]

No no, the Hunter Biden emails never happened and there has never been a political operative trading cash for influence/aid as a government association/NGO/consultant/Lobbiest /Foundation before Trump.

[Longtobefree]

Absolutely no chance that the Communist Chinese Government REQUIRES a chinese bank account to do business in Communist China?

[Mother's Lament]

He reported it to the IRS too, but Stroozele here thinks that it's all an unprecedented and nefarious secret...
probably because that's what the NYT wants him to think.

[raspberrydinners]

Reason is the place to go to lose faith in humanity surely. Nothing but fascists excusing this.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Low effort post there, tankie.

[Mother's Lament]

Definitely not earning his fifty-cents.

[Longtobefree]

Comedian: "The entire US senate walks into a bar . . . "
Straight man: "And?'
Comedian: "lowers it".

Ba-Da-Boom!

[Francis Scott Key]

Your mom's basement in the greater Toronto area is a good safe space from what I hear, cytotoxic

[Mother's Lament]

"Everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler" - t. Jeff

[Hank Ferrous]

You generally prove that you are incapable of unbiased thought with each comment. This keeps the trend ongoing, and misapplies fascist as well. It is certainly possible that Trump has a legitimate reason for having a bank account in China. An account that one discloses in tax paperwork or otherwise to the IRS is not a secret account, as has been stated. If you were not blindly partisan, you could accept this.

[John]

President Trump, whose Middle East plan is winning support from Arab nations, is gaining strong support from Muslim leaders and their followers who believe that the Democrats haven't delivered on years of promises, according to a new survey of Islamic leaders.

In a shocking turnaround, 61.48% of the 109 Muslim leaders who “represent two million voters” plan to vote for Trump. That is a slight edge over their 2012 vote for Barack Obama.

The survey of the leaders was done by the Washington correspondent for Aksam Gazetesi, a Turkish news site. It suggested that the Muslim leaders' support for former Vice President Joe Biden was 30.27%.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-does-what-he-says-muslims-abandon-biden-back-president

But every white Prog I know assures me that Trump is the RACIST and hates Muslims. I guess those stupid rag heads don't know a racist when they see one or something.

That or maybe Trump not starting wars and bombing their home countries made him popular with Muslims. Who knew?

[Francis Scott Key]

What the dune coons need is a smart, white, 90 year old, senile, warmonger who has supported every intervention in the middle east, including the extrajudicial assassination of American citizens.

[mad.casual]

Support? From this picture he would appear to be an active participant.

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

It's very telling that there is a lot of resistance to having foreign policy be the main subject of the final debate. I don't remember a Presidential race where foreign policy was off limits for discussion, and yet here we are.

It's almost like one candidate is fine standing on their record and the other candidate is terrified of it.

[John]

Biden is the war monger military industrial complex candidate. It is why Republicans like Flake and Sasse hate Trump so much and support Biden.

[Ken Shultz]

Trump managed to change the conversation in the Middle East by changing the central questions--it's not about the Palestinian people anymore. It's about mutual interests and meeting the threat of Iran and to a lesser extent Turkey.

1) Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel was a stroke of genius.

It seems obvious now, but the solution to an unsolvable problem isn't to obsess over it until it's solved.

2) Trump did the following:

----When Iran targeted the vessels of our allies in the Strait of Hormuz, Trump did nothing.

----When Iran (through proxies) targeted the production facilities of our Saudi allies, Trump did nothing.

----When Iran targeted Americans, Trump retaliated by taking out the man who ordered the attack.

----When Turkey invaded Syria to go after our Kurdish allies, Trump withdrew our forces from harm's way (AKA did nothing).

If you're in Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, etc. and you see that, the message is that the United States will stick up for themselves when Iran attacks us, but we're not sticking our necks out for you. If you want security against Iran, then you need to form alliances with all the strong players in the region to guarantee each other's security--and that means Israel, too!

That's why Trump approved the sale of YUGE amounts of military hardware to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE and others, too. If Trump hadn't been so pragmatic in willingness to use force in the region, they would still be depending on the United States for their security--and wouldn't see the need to make nice with Israel.

Trump deserves all the credit in the world for that.

P.S.

“GREAT news! New government of Sudan, which is making great progress, agreed to pay $335 MILLION to U.S. terror victims and families. Once deposited, I will lift Sudan from the State Sponsors of Terrorism list. At long last, JUSTICE for the American people and BIG step for Sudan!"

----@RealDonaldTrump October 19, 2020

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1318251851796615169

This is almost certainly a precursor to Sudan normalizing relations with Israel.

President Trump genuinely deserves to win the Nobel Peace Prize. He is literally bringing peace to the Middle East. He negotiated and signed a peace agreement with the Taliban--and we'll be withdrawing our troops completely by the end of April if he's reelected.

What more could he do? What more has anyone else done to bring peace to the world in the last 20 years?

[Gray_Jay]

Couldn't agree more, Ken. You've written a lot on this topic over the last month or two and it's been greatly appreciated.

Shared with some other people too, and while maybe their minds won't change, it should give them something to think about.

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[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Turns out that trying to pull troops out of the Middle East and getting that effort undermined by neocons and Democrats would piss off a large chunk of people who probably still have relatives living in those areas. Who could have guessed that?

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[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

The Trump administration's family separation policies have left 545 migrant children without traceable parents, according to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

This smells like a lie. Not like it's a lie there are 545 children that we can't tie to a parent, but that the story is way more complicated than the ACLU makes it out to be. Like the child was brought here by a non-parent to use as a human shield, the child was separated from the parent (as is the standard procedure long before Trump), and since the person who brought the child wasn't the parent, then immigration officials have a child on their hands with no identifiable parent.

And stop using the term 'snatched'. It's journalistically weak.

[Ken Shultz]

You're not suggesting that the ACLU would paint things in a certain light just to advance their agenda, are you?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Zoom likely had no knowledge of the incident until it was reported, nor did Zoom have anything to do with his actions. Toobin is also not an employee of Zoom."

If you agree, you should support Section 230 of federal communications law, Weissmann explains:

Wait, the Toobin Tubin incident is the first time anyone has ever seen unwanted nudity on a Zoom meeting?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Opinion | Trump has shifted the country to the left — or at least away from his own views

The left is pro-free trade. Right, WaPo... riiiiiight.

[John]

He shifted the country to the left. That is why open borders and leftist culture war issues are so prominent in Biden's campaign.

[mad.casual]

The Kavanaugh interroview, the riots, the impugning of ACB for having the audacity to adopt poor black kids, Russiagate, the impeachment, the fact that he was right on both of them, riots, the fact that the media ran and continues to run interference for all of them, Jerusalem, Soleimani, etc., etc., no effect.

As one man, he's done more to influence politics than all of American Media combined, in spite of their overt opposition. If anything, Trump's inflated personality has trouble living up to their projections.

[Ken Shultz]

Democratic nominee Joe Biden is attracting more support than Hillary Clinton did among white voters as a whole — especially white women, older white voters and those without a four-year college degree — which has helped him build a substantial lead of around 10 points, according to FiveThirtyEight’s national polling average. However, Trump is performing slightly better than last time among college-educated white voters, and he has gained among voters of color, especially Hispanic voters and younger Black voters.

. . . .

Trump has also gained real ground among nonwhite voters. To be clear, he still trails Biden considerably with these groups, but in UCLA Nationscape’s polling over the past month, he was down by 39 points with these voters, a double-digit improvement from his 53-point deficit in 2016.

----FiveThirtyEight October 19, 2020

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-losing-ground-with-white-voters-but-gaining-among-black-and-hispanic-americans/

In short, it looks like Trump is losing support with whites without a college degree, gaining support with whites with a college degree and is picking up support among blacks and Latinos.

It looks like things are reverting to their pre-Trump, pre-Obama norms. The same thing happened during the Reagan administration. Suddenly, blue collar white people flooded into the Republican party to support Reagan, but when he left office, they all went back to voting with the unions again.

Recessions accelerate trends.

The Latino and black uptick is interesting. I suspect that may have to do with a lot of them not buying into the media narratives about the riots in recent months. It certainly seems to be the case that while all blacks believe that black lives matter, Black Lives Matter doesn't speak for all of them. Black voices are apparently as varied as any other kind. Meanwhile, Latinos aren't a homogeneous voting bloc either. Maybe it's just that the real world is more complicated than our preexisting biases.

[John]

One other factor I think is that if there is one place in the world where silent Trump voters exist, it is likely in white suburbs. That would explain the drop in support among whites to a significant degree.

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

I'm not discounting the idea that white Trump supporters in the suburbs just aren't interested in revealing their choices. We've already seen the threatening letters left for Trump supporters, and several Trump supporters have been murdered in cold blood for the grave sin of wearing a red hat. That wasn't true in 2016 so they may have been more vocal then, the last 4 years have taught them to shut up about it.

People move to the suburbs for relative peace and quiet. If revealing their political preferences jeopardizes that, they just won't reveal their preferences.

[John]

Also, the whole Biden creepy Joe hair sniffing and feeling up little girls stuff didn't play well at all among Hispanics and blacks. The media did everything they could to cover it up but everyone knows what kind of a creep Biden is. And Hispanics and Blacks are less likely to ignore that than suburban whites, which is ironic when you consider that suburban whites are the ones who are forever seeing child molesters under every bed and around every corner.

[Ken Shultz]

Trump seems to be losing with white suburban women without a college degree.

I don't know that they dislike him enough to go out and vote for Biden. They voted for Trump last time. They may just stay home.

That's probably the crux of the election right there: Will enough suburban white women without a college degree who voted for Trump in 2016 stay home in 2020?

[John]

That is why the Hunter Biden stuff is potentially so devastating to Biden and why they are so desperate to suppress it. If it gets out and is understood that Biden's son was banging young girls and Biden knew about it and didn't care, those women will be coming out and voting for Trump forget them staying home.

[Commenter_XY]

I truly hope Mr. Bannon and Mr. Guiliani have a daily surprise for the next 10 days, with the most damning evidence released on Halloween (or maybe mischief night might be more apropos. 🙂

Brain-Damaged Biden is done. For the next 13 days, this will be on the front pages. The story is out now.

If I were Sleepy Joe, I'd be looking for a very high powered attorney right about now.

[CE]

No post about 50 Cent endorsing Trump, saying he doesn't want to become 20 Cent (as he would under Biden's 60% tax plan)?

[Gray_Jay]

Too lo¢al.

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[loveconstitution1789]

Lefties would fly off the handle if ICE just gave the kids to any adult claiming them.

Due diligence anyone?

[loveconstitution1789]

I hope Trump at the debate hits on the fact that Harris was an anchor baby too.

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

Now there's an idea.

ENB has just informed us of 545 potential employees for the monocle factory.

[Francis Scott Key]

Plus if any of them are female you can feed them 30% less than your male slaves.

[Fats of Fury]

Is "monocle" a euphemism for sex work?

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

Slaves has such a negative connotation to it.

They're unpaid interns compensated via education. If the NCAA can do it, so can we.

[mad.casual]

Slaves has such a negative connotation to it.

The problem is the monocles. Put them all to work in taco trucks, then there's no colonialism/appropriation going on and, therefore, no problem.

[Moonrocks]

Undocumented employees?

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

While I do enjoy tacos, if I can't force them to make my monocles for me I don't understand why I'm exploiting them in the first place.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Why do that when Harris has instructed procecuters to falsify evidence?

[Fat Mike's Drug Habit]

Who do I look like, Hunter Biden?

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Hard to say, from here. I’ll go with no, and the drug habit is a coincidence.

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