The COVID-19 Pandemic Keeps Proving Deadly to Liberty
As the pandemic rages on, nominally free countries are sliding down a path blazed by authoritarian regimes.

This week, the British government announced limits on gatherings of people who don't live together to groups of no more than six. Although the restriction seriously attacks freedom of assembly, it barely raised an eyebrow in an era of similar intrusions. How could it stand out when countries around the world are tightening the screws on speech, movement, business, and social connections in the name of public health?
As many people feared, the COVID-19 pandemic—or rather, the government response to it—is proving quite deadly to liberty. And too many people seem happy to go along.
"From Monday, we're introducing the 'Rule of 6'," tweeted Matt Hancock, U.K. Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. "If you meet socially in groups of more than 6, you will be dispersed, fined & possibly arrested by the police. If we work together in the national interest, we can defeat this unprecedented #coronavirus."
The "Rule of 6" does allow for some exceptions, including "protests and political activities," but only subject to government guidance that makes in-face meetings privileges under nanny's scrutiny.
While authoritarian governments commonly criminalize gatherings of potential dissidents, meeting to oppose the current batch of seat-warmers in favor of your own lot is essential to the democratic experience in nominally free countries. It's also a fundamental right to gather with friends, co-religionists, colleagues, and family as part of civil society—the sections of the world that matter, beyond the boundaries of government.
But Britain's restrictions on assembly pale in comparison to the pre-crime arrests police in the Australian state of Victoria made of those who just advocated public demonstrations against government policy.
Zoe Buhler, a pregnant woman who had called on social media for peaceful protests against the state's draconian pandemic lockdown, live-streamed her own arrest. Police hauled her off even after she offered to delete the offending post.
At least Buhler's door is still on its hinges. Victoria police broke into James Bartolo's home and tackled him to the floor. Again, his crime was openly advocating protest against government policy.
The protests proceeded anyway, in defiance of the law. Of course, attendees criticizing government policy were arrested.
These days, you don't have to assemble or even advocate assembly to get arrested in France; you just have to insult a mayor. The elevated penalty of community service plus a €7,500 fine for those who express "contempt" for mayors is being imposed after local officials complained of 233 physical attacks, up from 198 during the same period last year.
Then again, France has always frowned on harsh words directed at government institutions and officeholders, criminalizing speech defined as defamation and contempt. The extraordinary circumstances of COVID-19 provide an opportunity to impose extraordinary penalties further shielding the delicate feelings of government officials from the scorn of their subjects.
In July, David Kaye, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression, warned that "in the past three months, numerous governments have used the COVID-pandemic to repress expression in violation of their obligations under human rights law." But the countries he cited were mostly the usual suspects, such as Belarus, China, and Turkey. To see Australia, Britain, and France take advantage of the pandemic to impose restrictions and penalties on free speech and assembly is to see established and theoretically stable liberal democracies follow a path blazed by authoritarian countries.
To-date, free speech seems safer for Americans than for some of our overseas friends—we can still say pretty much what we want about government officials and their policies. Events in Portland and elsewhere suggest that we can even gather to do so publicly, if sometimes more violently than might be advised.
Still, Americans have been subject to lockdown orders, travel restrictions, mask mandates, and other requirements and prohibitions supposedly intended to protect our health, but definitely injurious to our liberty.
"In halls of power across the country, the growing novel coronavirus pandemic has sometimes been used to stretch, bend or ignore established law and policy," Jenny B. Davis wrote for the ABA Journal back in April, even before some of the worst strictures were in place. "Fundamental freedoms, privacy protections and access to justice have been curtailed in the name of public safety, with legal justifications ranging from appropriate to patently inaccurate."
Alleged public safety measures, unrestrained by limits on power, can inflict their own costs on health as well as freedom.
"Dangers looms when one person tries to regulate the lives of millions," writes physician assistant Jordan Warnsholz, who is suing Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer over her restrictions. "Whitmer's orders are a case in point. One banned any 'non-essential' medical procedures and elective surgeries… There's no doubt that banning these procedures harmed the health and safety of my patients."
The damage is worse, though, when frightened people imagine that the curtailment of liberty is a good thing and become complicit in the oppression of themselves and their neighbors.
Pollsters find that a majority of Michigan voters actually approve of Whitmer's heavy-handed mismanagement of the pandemic response. They also oppose repealing the 1945 law that allows the governor to unilaterally declare an emergency and rule without legislative input.
In Australia, Victoria's voters also cheer on the restrictive regime under which they live. "Overall, public opinion seems solidly behind the curtailment of civil liberties that would have been unthinkable a month ago," reports The Guardian.
It's difficult to imagine government officials—having exercised unprecedented control over our lives, often to popular applause—willingly restoring our freedom. The big takeaway from the pandemic era might not be the ease with which governments steal away our freedom by invoking the alleged necessities of a crisis. The real revelation is how little effort it takes to make many people like it.
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For us Koch / Reason libertarians, the most fundamental human liberty is the right to immigrate to the United States. And Orange Hitler was already imposing draconian restrictions on that right long before the pandemic.
So until we #OpenTheBorders, I cannot get too angry about relatively minor restrictions on liberty such as lockdowns.
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"I’m getting different answers here..."
Here's the one you deserve, shitstain:
Fuck off and die.
"If a baby crawls onto your front yard, do you get to shoot it?"
Depends. How many times did I yell, "Get off my lawn!"
Also, is the baby in Virginia and young enough to qualify as abortable?
Is it a zombie?
No, I would just call Planned Parenthood
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Come to a libertarian website, find the first response to a well-written piece on authoritarianism is begging for the state to wall you in.
There have not been a lot of libertarians in this comment section for a while now. Most of them had the good sense to leave when this place was infested with maga hats around 2016, because this comment section in one of the last places on the Internet that is not moderated, resulting in the 4chan level of discourse that you see. Good thing most maga hats don't read Drudge anymore, since he dares to criticize Dear Leader, because he just linked to this piece.
No team everybody. Chipper is the one true libertarian. It is spoken!
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fundamental human liberty is the right to immigrate to the United States
WHAAAAT are you TALKING about?
On what basis do you stake that claim? Do I have the right to pop round to your house and walk right in unannounced, uninvited, raid your ice box, sleep in your bed, just because I claim to have the "right" to do so?
Have YOU not expended life to get your house in order, and thus do YOU not have a say in WHO comes in ahd gets or does what?
Get real, man. You been smokin' some wacky weed. That or drinking the commie koolade.
Speaking of commies, do you remember that NOT ONE comunist controlled nation would knowingly allow their residents to LEAVE when they so wished? Of COURSE they wil let anyone COME, because they are looking for hordes of new suckers to labour for their socialist system. Looks like you've already signed up to join their squad of worker bees. They'll keep you on as long as you produce more than you consume. Don't worry, though. As hard as they will work you you won't last long before you become a "landscape engineer", specialising in underground earthworks. Specifically the propagation of worms and the labour of pushing up daisies from below.
I consider myself a libertarian, but I'm against open borders while we have federal government welfare, because that is an incentive for people to come here and vote to use government to take from Peter for Paul's benefit, in an immoral use of government that is clearly not libertarian. Now if you get rid of federal government welfare (including in the tax code), I'm still for borders, and excluding people who are unable to support themselves, have criminal histories, or have communicable diseases, because then government is protecting us.
That is the best argument against immigration that a libertarian can make. I don’t really care about preserving our borders, and think ICE gives people a hard time. But, when you see how much money goes into public ally funded programs that are servicing significant portions of illegal residents, it is a fair complaint.
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Just imagine what a Biden administration will do.
Resign/25A/die on the 2nd day?
Die on the day before the inauguration.
Biden will implement a more Koch-friendly immigration policy. Which is all that matters.
Probably not lie to our faces about it and make everything as drawn-out and terrible as he possibly can, as the alternative has done?
You mean the guy whose own spokesman wouldn't state what biden would have done differently? The campaign who is claiming they were never against the travel bans despite calling the President's covid actions xenophobic until March?
Crawl out of Sean Hannity's colon and maybe we can have an adult conversation.
The travel ban clearly didn't work, right? Did you think about the logic of this Trump nonsense before you regurgitated it?
An adult would have answered the questions, shitstain; you ain't.
It did not work because of something nobody knew- community transmission of COVID-19 in the United States had been going on for at least two weeks already.
http://reason.com/2020/04/22/covid-19-was-killing-americans-earlier-than-we-previously-thought/
This is simply outdated rotting crap. The virus was not around in Dec unless it was maybe one person. The reason things broke apart here in the US was because no one in the US was paying the slightest attention in FEBRUARY. Not the CDC not the R's not the D's not anyone on this website other than Bailey (and even he has the usual over-optimism that leads to ignoring actual problems). All the BS since February by pols and public health officials - on all sides- is just the usual flimflam of those who want to evade responsibility for their own screwups.
I'm glad we agree that the China ban did not work, so perhaps we can all stop saying Trump solved the problem with it.
Probably not lie to our faces about it
If anything Biden says is true, it's only by coincidence. He reads whatever is written on his teleprompter, and his one and only concern is becoming President. He will literally say anything to make that happen, and he literally doesn't care about what's true and what isn't.
Probably not . . . make everything as drawn-out and terrible as he possibly can
You can't be serious. Is today a "Donald Trump is making too big a deal out of the virus" day? Because I thought it was "Donald Trump is killing children and Blacks by ignoring the virus" day?
Biden is campaigning on coronavirus panic. It's the literal centerpiece of his campaign because he has nothing else. You think that he and his supporters in the media don't have an incentive to make everything as drawn-out and terrible as they possibly can?
Maybe if they were the soulless psychopaths that Trump and his political party are. Projecting their awfulness onto a guy as remarkably normal as Joe Biden just isn't working, because people can see their awfulness, and they record their awfulness on tape for Bob Woodward.
I'm not sure that it's a strong criticism to say a guy running for president wants to be president. Trump probably didn't actually want it, and look how that turned out.
Maybe if they were the soulless psychopaths that Trump and his political party are.
Spoiler alert: they are.
...as remarkably normal as Joe Biden ...
LOL
"...remarkably normal as Joe Biden..."
It's spelled S-E-N-I-L-E, shitstain.
That argument isn’t selling either, because, again, look at the guy he’s running against.
Oh, Biden is a soulless psychopath. The consummate corporate suckup. If you don't know that, then you just don't want to know any fucking thing...which is pretty apparent.
You are as bad as the Trumptards that you disdain so vehemently.
Tony, you are just trolling, right? There is no way that you are actually this stupid.
People aren’t buying it dude. It’s not gonna work. The only way Trump wins is by losing the popular vote spectacularly, which is by no means impossible.
Superspreader, you are the epitome of the soulless psychopath.
Both the D's and R's are gonna be lying through their teeth. It's what they do. It's all they do. The D's are gonna lie about the consequences of their lockdown notions. The R's are gonna lie about the virus itself. And honestly - they'll both also lie when they switch sides re the lockdown and the virus. D's and R's are both incapable of anything else but lying. And those who vote for them at this point are incapable of recognizing a lie or giving a damn about the truth even if they do recognize the lies.
To-date, free speech seems safer for Americans than for some of our overseas friends
Your free speech is protected as long as you only say "black lives matter"
American: The Soviet Constitution includes freedom of speech and yet you arrest dissenters.
Russian: Unlike the American Constitution, the Soviet Constitution doesn't include freedom after speech.
Black lives matter
We know you relish your anti-racism. We also know your naivete and ignorance keep you from understanding it's relation to cultural marxism.
I like how you think being against racism is an insult. Maybe in your inbred family, but not in most of America.
"Anti-Racism" is the opposite of being "against" racism.
Right, and war is peace and freedom is slavery. Ok, then.
Do you understand what the term "Anti-Racism" refers to? Do you understand that these are the people who say that "judge someone by the content of their character not the color of their skin" is racist?
Do you understand that "Anti-Racism" requires you to categorize everyone by race and treat people differently based on their race?
IOW, that "Anti-Racism" requires you to be racist in the name of being "against racism?"
Freedom is slavery, indeed.
What the hell are you talking about and why are you capitalizing anti-racism?
an·ti·rac·ism
/ˌan(t)ēˈrāˌsizəm,ˌanˌtīˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: anti-racism
the policy or practice of opposing racism and promoting racial tolerance.
I don't know what you think I meant, and what people you are talking about (you will have to be specific), but it's not some version of the phrase that you or someone else made up that is different from the ordinary use reflected by the above definition.
I think that is still what most people think it means. But the SJW, identity politics crowd has a rather different definition and are trying really hard to push it right now. It's a real thing and pretty fucked up way of looking at the world. I suggest you look into it if you really don't know about it.
I don’t know what you think I meant, and what people you are talking about
You really haven't heard of this?
Really?
Google Robin D'Angelo and Ibram Kendi, read what you find, and come back.
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A dictionary. How quaint.
Well, you are only against racism in one direction.
Maybe if you were evenly applying the concept of anti-racism to all groups you could gain more traction.
"Black lives matter"
Lefty shits should fuck off.
And die. At least Ginsberg finally got something right.
The elevated penalty of community service plus a €7,500 fine for those who express "contempt" for mayors is being imposed after local officials complained of 233 physical attacks, up from 198 during the same period last year.
Yet Mare DeBlasio shows nothing but contempt for the people of NYC and still goes free.
i express contempt for mayors.
The Mare DeBlasio has been one the most infamously treacherous of seas.
Especially after dark, when it becomes a night Mare.
All for something that appears to be winding down naturally anyway.
The oppression is NOT going to wind down naturally.
Been a good run of articles the last few days. Thanks Tuccille, Sullum, DeRugy, at al.
*et al
"Pollsters find that a majority of Michigan voters actually approve of Whitmer's heavy-handed mismanagement of the pandemic response."
No comment.
People like to feel safe.
People hate responsibility for their own situation. It's the fuel our deranged, corrupt government runs on regardless of which party is fronting for the actual powers that be.
I'm in Michigan and I'm not sure who they are polling. Speaking with friends and neighbors, they seem to be pretty consistent in their loathing for Governor Whitmer and the state's COVID policies. Governor Whitmer has her die-hard supporters but I also perceive a lot of anger and hostility.
People look back at the initial definition of "essential" services for the best example of why the state's policies did not make sense. It's from that foundation that we are where we are now in Michigan.
With the MSM fanning the flames of a "second wave" in October, I will not be surprised to see Governor Whitmer issue an Executive Order mandating the wearing of masks in public, both inside and outside, regardless of what the CDC and WHO may advise.
Just my humble opinion, of course.
What happened to the armed protests?
Highly exaggerated by the MSM. Yes, there were knuckleheads with guns in the state capitol. There have been actual peaceful protests since.
there were knuckleheads with guns in the state capitol. There have been actual peaceful protests since
So, protests where no one gets shot, no one gets arrested and nothing is set on fire are not 'actual peaceful protests' if the protesters are visibly armed?
It was a poor comment. I agree with you.
Michigan's open carry law is clear and people are within their rights to carry guns at a protest openly and with lawful intent. As a gun owner, it wouldn't occur to me to bring mine along.
The penis is bad. The gun is good.
Now, make a Dune reference, and you've got a chance of summoning Pro Libertate.
A peaceful protest now has fires, broken windows and looting.
Depends on what you're protesting, of course...
A friend who was there said counter-protesters were the ones without masks, getting violent, etc, in an (apparently successful) attempt to tarnish the protest's reputation. As she stayed in her car I can't be too sure of what really happened, but she was there and I wasn't.
It's a well-known aphorism that free speech etc are irrelevant to people who can't get enough food or shelter, or are in fear of their life. Usually the last one means war, revolution, genocide, etc. But politicians have finally found a way to make it apply regardless of how safe society really is. Germs! May as well be zombies for all people care about the actual science. No, just get some fool to implement a shoddy model and warn of millions dead, and boom! people cave like spelunkers.
I have no doubt global warming models were the warmup (heh heh), but I think they did not realize how successful their covid panic would be, and now the warmunists are all bent out of shape for being relegated to second class.
I do believe the public will figure it out, sooner or later, like the boy who cried wolf. But they can sure fuck things up in the meantime.
You have more faith in the public than I do. I hope you are right.
Salem witch trials: even the people directly involved admitted they were wrong.
Germanophobia in WW I. Joe McCarthy. That day care center in SoCal in the 1980s, I think it was. Play records backwards. Dastardly comics in the 1950s. Scary video games. There are a zillion examples of panic fanned by the media and politicians where the pubic came to its senses once the media and politicians wore out that particular scare.
The problem, as always, comes from a monopolistic coercive government, which breeds politicians to control it and a media to influence it. Remember this?
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, criticize.
Marxists in academia, check. They are incapable of running a business or taking orders to be employees or doing anything productive, so they teach, and guess what they teach? Ever notice how few successful business people ever become professors? As Don Boudreaux loves to point out, all those academics and pundits complaining about the glass ceiling, low wages, etc, could make a killing by starting a business hiring women, minorities, and all the other downtrodden, paying them more than market rates, and outsell the competition because their costs would be less and their workers more grateful for better pay. Yet they never do.
Journalists, ignorant, self-important, and always pushing the narrative of the academics and politicians who want to expand government, because that's how you increase your prestige and compete for all the new jobs in government.
I don't think that "those who can't teach" was normally supposed to be an insult to those who teach. But in this case it fits. They just can't, period.
The panic mongers have one thing going for them with The Rona that they didn't have with
global coolingglobal warmingclimate change: People are actually dying. You can point to some dead bodies and go "look! the plague! it's real!" and lo and behold there are bodies. There might not be that many of them, and every one of those people would have died soon anyhow of something, but they do exist, and if you point out that the numbers are low and the metrics seem flawed you get labeled as a "denier" and a "conspiracy theorist", as if believing in chemtrails and having doubts about people dying in car wrecks being labeled as coronavirus victims were the same thing.It doesn't matter though. It doesn't matter that what is in doubt is based on publicly verifiable facts that government itself produces (not doubt of the facts themselves, but of what they imply is happening). The public has been successfully gaslighted and now honestly and truly believes that which the facts simply won't support. People fear for their lives at the sight of human lips and noses and when they look down main street and see nothing but boarded up store fronts they write it off as a result of the virus, not the politicians.
There honestly and truly is no hope. There will be no end to this. Some may realize its all a lie but they will be mercilessly destroyed by the majority which is consumed by fear. Every one of us will die in order to save just one (strictly hypothetical) life. I weep for the children with the misfortune of being born today. Their parents conceived them nine months ago in a different world and now they are cast into this one where they will probably never learn the joys of human contact, there will be no work they are allowed to do, and they will not be allowed to leave.
"There honestly and truly is no hope. There will be no end to this. Some may realize its all a lie but they will be mercilessly destroyed by the majority which is consumed by fear."
Sadly, this is true. Just like the Patriot Act and the Global War on Terror, "COVID" already has become institutionalized.
Businesses are manufacturing masks. Health care providers are creating business models based upon COVID testing and treatment. IT companies are developing solutions for contract tracing, health passports, remote work, and online school. BigPharma is developing "the vaccine" with the prospect of mandatory vaccinations and the profits that will follow.
Marginal human beings like Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and those charged with enforcing mask wearing, contact tracing, and physical distancing have been empowered and now have significance. Human nature being what it is, once someone tastes power over other humans they're reluctant to relinquish it.
So Trump can just lie to your face, admit to the lie, and you still believe the lies because he has an (R) after his name?
Where did you dig up any of that in what I wrote? What path through hell and back led you to that conclusion, and why did you follow it?
Good grief Tony. You didn't even read my comment, did you?
Tony has his head so far up his ass it is ridiculous...but his real problem is that he likes the view.
Your comment had nothing to do with Trump, but he sees goblins where there are none.
You are such an idiot. Yeah, great straw man. Incredible.
Trump didn't say he lied, he said he played it down so as to not cause panic. That's what leadership does. They don't run around yelling everyone is going to die. That's what you do. That is why you've most likely failed in your life.
Likewise Fauci has stated Trump did not lie. That he gave no wrong information.
Who was giving wrong information? Most of the modelers for death estimates.
A very plausible explanation for his lies except for the fact that his every other public utterance is designed to cause panic.
A very plausible explanation for your posts it that you're a fucking lefty ignoramus.
Fuck off and die.
Haha. You need to be lead so badly.
Right, it's not like Trump kept it under wraps and life proceeded as if no one thought anything was going on. Insane freakout reactions were not and are not in short supply. Calm, measured reactions were and are. My only complaint is that Trump didn't downplay it more, for longer.
^
You should really do a compare and contrast of Trump's actions and Cuomo's throughout the early stage of the pandemic. There was like 90% overlap between the two, including in the supposedly damning Woodward case. They didn't get to cross purposes until mid/late May, well after the worst had passed and the suspicion leaked in that Cuomo's dithering on reopening had more to do with the election than public health.
Hell, you can read all about it in the Journal's latest "Covid Storm " series article - a fantastic series of actual journalism instead of the rank partisanship which tends to stand for such nowadays.
What Trump did was literally conventional wisdom at the time. It's insane that he he's getting shit for it from the same people that were aping said policy.
As bad as Trump is, at least he hasn't taken away any of my freedom. The same can't be said for the incompetent dictator who controls the Peoples Republic of New Jersey.
But it wasn't this way with AIDS.
Of course not. Applying logic to that 100% preventable disease meant you were homophobic.
"So this is how liberty dies. Not in silence, but to thunderous applause."
in a sea of red hats
Chipper has no team everybody.
How many teams do you think there are?
There's one...some wear blue hats and some wear red hats, but in the end it's all just a big made for TV bullshit reality show put on by the moenyed interests to keep the plebes thinking they have a voice in their destiny.
We don't.
"in a sea of red hats"
The lefty shit here would have us believe that Newsom and Cuomo wear MAGA hats.
The lefty shit here is as intelligent as the average lefty shit.
Raging? Ya think? My county of 750,000 has seen 180 deaths. 6% of that would be 10. The average age is 80. I wouldn't call that raging.
Yeah, some places were raging for a while. But everywhere now seems to be past the raging point. This pandemic is winding down.
From the linked Guardian article:
"A Roy Morgan poll specifically on Victoria’s stage four rules revealed overwhelming support. Almost 90% backed mandatory mask-wearing, 72% supported the curfew, and just over 70% did not believe anyone should be able to travel more than 5km from their home."
Somewhere else I saw an Australian politician say to get use to it as they may be living that way for years.
This is depressing. Where did that flattened curve go?
Hit by a bus from out of nowhere which no one saw coming, ever.
The goalposts have moved. Better look fast because they're still accelerating. Pretty soon they'll be leaving orbit.
"...just over 70% did not believe anyone should be able to travel more than 5km from their home.”
Serfs, meet the Manor. Manor, here are your serfs.
Murdered by the globalists
Also... Australian citizens need government permission to leave or enter their own country. Many of the states have a mandatory 14 day hotel quarantine (you pay US$2000 for this privilege) for anyone arriving from another state even if there are no active cases in the state you came from - if you can even get permission to enter another state at all.
It is very popular with voters, so who can blame the politicians?
“ supposedly intended to protect our health, but definitely injurious to our liberty.”
There’s nothing “supposedly” about it.
I think he meant, "allegedly".
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Not always
Examples?
Most criminals dipshit.
Most Nazis, asshole.
Your scaredy bogeymen.
Haha
Nazis asshole has posted.
Partial cremation retardo.
Fuck off, Nazi turd.
You first troll
Words I grew up with!
Thanks Mom.
Amongst other restrictions associated with COVID-19, AZ Universities have rolled out a mandatory wellness checking regime for students and employees that requires individuals to register with their University's wellness checking system via their smartphone (other online options are available), answer questions regarding their health and report their temperature if able to do so. For ASU, this mandate is enforced regardless of whether you work or take classes remotely (or even live in the state) and have no intention of traveling to campus. Failure to comply results in your online accounts being reset/frozen.
The ASU president likes this new mandatory individual health reporting system so much that he hopes to keep it around after COVID-19 to use for other infectious health issues such as the flu.
See:
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-state-university-admins-defend-reopening-approach-11492918
But this totally isn't a slippery slope on the way to healthcare authoritarianism.
I would say that's not at all a slippery slope....
It's stepping right off the edge of the cliff to the authoritarian abyss.
Yeah, someone needs to fire that guy. What next? People suspected of having had COVID need to wear a big blue 'C' on their clothes. Wait, too much like a Cubs jersey. Let's just go with a yellow Star of David.
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It looks like the slippery slope is unfortunately real. If people are actually supporting this then it’s going to be a very scary time. Not even the Soviet Union was this bad.
"Not even the Soviet Union was this bad."
Wait. What?
It wasn't.
I have family by marriage who lived in the USSR; they knew it was all lies and bullshit, but just accepted it as their beaten-down lot in life, which is why even to this day they almost never see the possibilities in things. But they were never (and yes, I am sure there were party apparatchiks that drank the Soviet Kool-Aid) under the impression that it wasn't all lies, they simply didn't want to be taken to a gulag or marginalized in some other way.
Here, the imbeciles welcome it with open arms.
Americans: fat, dumb, and unhappy, but too stupid to know why.
Ontario is pretty bad.
Quebec is so-so. If they'd remove the mask mandates, we'd be ok.
But we're sliding towards the retards in Australia.
It's like they're all deliberately ignoring Sweden.
For me, what was already thin to begin with, any kind of confidence that may have existed with public officials is permanently broken.
They're acting like complete psychopaths.
Ignoring Sweden?
How could we. They are still the dancing queens.
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Not being British, I cannot speak to Britain's rules. In the US, however, the abuse of fundamental and Constitutional right is very serious. The First Amendment codifies the rights of free speech, peaceable assembly and religion among others. The one word missing from that amendment? Except. There is absolutely NO public health exemption to the First Amendment. If I and 50 of my friends chose to assemble on my private property, it may not be smart but neither is it illegal. No local or state law can supersede the US Constitution no matter how well intentioned. Cities and states can control gatherings on public property but not private. Tell them to pound sand.
Better keep the local bail-bondsman number in your wallet. You're operating under the delusion that our government at any level actually respects and follows the constitution.
Yes.
A bit back, someone mentioned that the are not "laws", which it totally irrelevant.
The cops can put you in jail for breaking the 'strong suggestion' and shoot you if you try to escape; if that ain't a "law", it'll do until one comes along.
As long s the Mazi's and other similar useful idiots continue to help the state suppress the liberty and freedoms of everyone it will be an uphill fight to limit the power grab these politicians are gunning for. Even with the blatant hypocrisy of rioters being able to riot with masks and numerous politicians and other leaders in the scaredemic being shown to not follow their own covid policies like the mask of compliance, you still have too many among the general populace who not only buy into this scam but who help pressure others into compliance. Its really brilliant, getting the useful idiots among the general public to do most of teh dirty work for you.
Covid has afforded these little tyrants the opportunity they needed to enact heinous and outlandish rules and policies that they've been trying to enact for years. Elimination of personal firearm ownership in places like the UK and Australia are proving to be well executed precautions for all these wanna be tyrants out there who seek to rule over others. Here in the US it's not as easy for these licensed to harm thugs like the Governor or NY to send in the troops and arrest everyone who he doesn't like because they said something the governor disagrees with but they can easily do that in the UK and Australia.
Give it time...give it time...
"Never let a crisis go to waste".
COVID19 or 9/11, it's all the same BS. Overreach & overreacting. One bad law after another, and each begets another three bad laws.
When are the American people going to start saying "enough!". Enough to the TSA, enough to border lockdowns, enough to ID's to open a bank account, enough to gun prohibition, enough to limits on assembly! It's all the same BS! The American experiment is based on a presumption of basic human decency, dignity, independence and responsibility.
Live free or die!
When are the American people going to start saying “enough!”
There are two potential answers to that question:
1) Never
2) When it is way too late to do anything about it.
My personal guess is #1, with the overfed, ignorant masses crying out to the very people who are shitting on them to save them...yes, Americans are that stupid.
As long as you keep your dying and your coughing to yourself.
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"So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause" - Star Wars
I'd say the prequels differed in their crisis being preposterous, but this 'crisis' is also preposterous.
COVID 19 is proving that it is lethal to PEOPLE. We will have200,000 deaths in the United States before the end of September> THAT is what we should be most concerned about and focused on.
Instead of whining about "Rights" and "freedom" we should be focusing on our responsibilities and what we as people and citizens of the U.S. can do to prevent this disease from spreading further. Your rights and freedom are worthless if you are six feet under.
And there it is. The Party Line that the rational commetariat has rightly been railing against as more detrimental to our well being than the virus. The Party Line that will gladly see us trash our economy, society, culture, and psychology in order to save a tiny minority of people in danger of dying of this virus.
What do you think we're going to come back to once this is all over? Anything worth having survived FOR? I doubt it.
Fuck off, slaver.
"If saving lives were paramount, we could ban smoking, ban alcohol, ban cigarettes, ban sugary drinks, processed food, fast food, and give everybody a calorie allowance and have an extra tax levied based on body mass index. That would save even more lives! But it is slightly… authoritarian… isn’t it?"
-From frankone in comments section under The COVID-19 Pandemic Keeps Proving Deadly to Liberty
You left out guns and cars
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This is a crisis wrought by the judicial branch. We need judges to begin making rulings that align with the law, not with their fears.
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The COVID-19 Pandemic Keeps Proving Deadly to Liberty
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Has a pandemic ever led to more liberties?
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Every day that I'm alive is because my mayor or governor made it so.
- Liberals during COVID19
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The Anglosphere used to be the guardian of freedom for the past 100 years or so, now it seems hellbent on killing it. Fun while it lasted I guess
The COVID-19 Pandemic Keeps Proving Deadly to Liberty
Did people at Reason think a pandemic would improve liberties?
Has a pandemic ever led to more liberties?
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Not long ago I would go to the NY Times page for information. Now, I read it for what it is, a politically-driven mouthpiece for the Left.
And man oh man, how does the NY Times want this virus to last, and last, and last.
Their latest article is "Why we weren't able to stop the virus" and goes on to blame human beings, particularly those who wear Red neckties.
Never mind that this virus, just like every other virus throughout our 200,000+ human history, will run its course, pick off a few of the weak (a very, very few), and we will become stronger for it.
Current data clearly tells us that we can do very little to slow down a virus' spread, and nothing to "stop" it.
But, Orange Man Bad...and it is all his fault.
Argh!
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