Police in Schools

Video: Key West Police Arrest and Try To Handcuff 8-Year-Old Child

His wrists were too small for the cuffs, though.

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Three police officers in Key West, Florida, arrested an 8-year-old at school and tried, but failed, to handcuff the child, body camera footage released on Sunday showed. That arrest is now the subject of a federal civil rights lawsuit.

Tallahassee civil rights attorney Ben Crump tweeted the footage of the 2018 incident on Sunday:

The video shows the officers telling the child he is going to jail, lightly patting him down, and attempting to put handcuffs around his wrists. The boy's wrists are too small, though, so the officers allow him to walk out of the school uncuffed.

"You understand this is very serious, OK?" one of the officers tells the boy. "And, I hate that you put me in this position that I have to do this. OK? All right? The thing about it is, you made a mistake, now it is time to learn from it and grow from it. Right? Not repeat the same mistake again."

Crump, who is also representing the family of George Floyd, later tweeted that his law firm and the firm, Devon Jacob, are representing the child's mother, Bianca Digennaro. 

"My son has a disability, and the authorities tried to make him a criminal for being 8-years-old and disabled," Digennaro said at a press conference announcing her lawsuit this morning. "I'm here because I refuse to let them make him a convicted felon."

Digennaro's lawsuit names the Key West police officers, the city, and several officials at Gerald Adams Elementary School as defendants. The suit alleges the arrest of Digennaro's son, who had been diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder, adjustment disorder, and other emotional disorders, violated his Fourth and 14th Amendment Rights, as well as his rights under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

"Some authorities within the school and police department thought it was appropriate to arrest and charge an 8-year-old special needs kid—64 pounds, three-and-a-half-feet tall—with a felony because he was having a mental health crisis," Crump said in a press conference this morning. "We're here because we want to know who thought this was appropriate."

The Miami Herald reported that police arrested the boy, who has not been named because he is a minor, on a felony battery charge on Dec. 14, 2018, after he allegedly punched a teacher in the chest:

"According to the arrest report, the boy's teacher said the boy was not sitting properly in his cafeteria bench seat. The teacher asked him several times to sit down out of concerns for his safety.

After not complying, the teacher asked him to sit next to her. He refused and told her, 'Don't put your hands on me.'

She then told the boy to walk with her. As he did, he told her, 'My mom is going to beat your a–,' and then he punched her with his right hand, according to the report."

Digennaro says that the Monroe County District Attorney's office pursued felony charges against her son for nine months before prosecutors dropped the case.

Moral outrage aside, Crump and Jacobs say the law is on their side. In 2017, a federal judge ruled that a Kentucky school resource officer acted unreasonably when he handcuffed two children, ages 8 and 9.

The Key West arrest isn't the first time Florida police have made headlines for arresting small children. An Orlando school resource officer (SRO) sparked national outrage last September when he arrested a 6-year-old girl.

Reason reported in June on the expanded use of SROs in Florida following the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in 2018—and a troubling number of arrests and uses of force against children with autism that followed.

Civil liberties groups and disability advocates say the increase in school police, and a renewed zeal for zero-tolerance policies for petty disturbances, have fueled the "school-to-prison" pipeline and led to disproportionate enforcement against minorities and students with disabilities. Scrutiny of the role of SROs has only increased following the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. Activists have been pushing school districts across the country to shrink or totally abolish their SRO programs and redirect the funds toward student services.

According to data from the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice, Florida police arrested 2,781 children between the ages of 5 and 12 in fiscal year 2018–2019, the latest year for which data are available. The youngest was a 5-year-old Hispanic boy. He was charged by the Osceola County Sheriff's Office with felony aggravated assault. 

Arrests in Florida schools

Juvenile arrests have been declining nationwide since the mid-1990s, mirroring a national drop in crime. That's true in Florida, too. However, while overall numbers have dropped, arrests in Florida schools plateaued and started to tick back up in 2017.

Meanwhile, the proliferation of cell phone videos, police body cameras, and social media has led to numerous incidents involving SROs abusing their power that have gone viral. In February, an officer at a high school in Camden, Arkansas, was relieved of duty after a video showed him putting a student in a chokehold and lifting the student off the ground. Last December, a North Carolina SRO was fired after he brutally body-slammed a middle schooler. In November, a sheriff's deputy with Florida's Broward County was arrested and charged with child abuse after a video showed him body-slamming a 15-year-old girl at a special needs school.

In response to a request for comment, a spokesperson for the Monroe County School District said, "Due to the possibility of this matter becoming a legal issue in the future, we have been advised not to make further comment about the incident at this time."

Key West Police Chief Sean Brandenburg told the Herald that, "Based on the report, standard operating procedures were followed."

"If that's his message," Jacobs replied, "he should hand in his resignation."

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  1. “Oppositional Disability Disorder” is now a ‘Disability’?!? aka Being somewhere on the Spectrum between chronic Pain In the Ass headed toward dangerous Sociopath

    1. It’s been in the DSM for a while now; it’s what you label someone who is too young to be called anti social. A psychopath in the making, more or less.

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      2. Yeah, it’s a real thing, and one that can indeed turn into full blown anti-social behavior as an adult of not addressed. But it’s not a disability. We don’t let adults get away with it, no need to invoke the ADA when kids have it.

      3. Wouldn’t that be sociopath?

    2. Kid’s going to lose his not-been-arrested virginity at some point. May as well be now.

      If you don’t want to handle these situations the way they were handled when I was growing up—the teachers and/or the principal would get hands on with the kid, sometimes involving the ‘Board of Education’—then the cops are going to have to do it. Letting the little bastard run around amok, isn’t one of the choices.

      Frankly, had that happened when was I was a kid, the child would have been made to physically comply or be removed from the school. Or both. Old men, some of whom may have been in WW2 or Korea, didn’t take any shit off a kid like that.

      1. It’s sickening how we coddle and help mold little monsters

        1. Because using violence as a tool against those who are much, much smaller than you is a great way to teach kids not to be violent. Brilliant.

          1. Parents have been spanking since the dawn of time.

            1. This wasn’t his parents.

              This was an over entitled agent of the state acting against a child who’s parents are forced at gunpoint to put the child in this place.

              When that agent failed to gain compliance they escalated by calling armed and armored agents of the state to bring deadly force…

              Against a 50 lb kid…

              Not likely to see the cops or the school’s side in this one.

              1. who’s parents are forced at gunpoint to put the child in this place.

                REALLY??!!??!! Who says? There are plenty of options availble to all parents.
                What kind of parent(s) would raise a kid to respond like that? My Ma’s gonna beat yo ayus? Really? How about shut up and do what your told, kid?

                On the other hand, there is no question that the teacher was being overly smarmy and nannified. In the catfeteria, what’s the BIG DEAL about “sitting properly”? These female powermongering nannies gotta nannie about the stupidest things. Little boyss have a real hard time sitting still for two thirds of their waking lives. I know, I was one of them. Decades later I STILL cannot sit still for long periods of time. Boys are made to run, jump climb, hang, wirggle, co\ntort their growing legs and arms, test their strength play with their food, dawdle, daydream, run around in circles, or around the city….. but these days they are REQUIRED to “sit properly”, suck it up and “be still”.,”quit wriggling”, “relax”…. NO!!!!!

                And WHY is the first recourse for schools to call the armed and deadly coppers, anyway? Send the kid home. On, Mummie is not home now? She’s off “doing her thing”? Too bad. Sit in this here room and chill till she IS home. THEN you will be staying wiht her for a week. (and if Mummie don’t like that, well she can train her kid to respect other people and their stuff. So he won’t be punching adults, who reallly would like to knock him into the next county, but restrain themselves lest THEY be tne ones in prison for twenty years. After being assaulted. Never mind by a 42 inch tall sixty pound chunk of snotty attitude.

                1. There is much more to the story.

                  https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/08/11/key-west-mom-speaks-about-8-year-old-childs-arrest-that-was-caught-on-camera/

                  When the kid told the teacher that his momma was going to kick her ass, he was being honest and polite. He was right.

                  At that point, LONG before she called the cops, his momma had her by the short and curlies. All the teacher did is make it national news.

                  I suspect the ass kicking is just starting based on the court document published today.

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            2. This is true (and I support any adult’s right to hit a child if the adult is in physical danger from the child). It’s factually true, but it’s a terrible argument to support the assertion that it’s often necessary or okay for an adult to hit a child. Men who used to assert that it was often necessary and okay for men to hit women said, “Men have been slapping their wives since the dawn of time.” People who supported slavery argued, “Slavery has been around since the dawn of time.” It’s a fact, but a terrible argument to defend the indefensible.

              1. so it is “indefensible” for an adult to use physical force to restrain a child who is physically assaulting ANYONE else? It is the LACK of spanking and other forms of legitimate parantal discipline to teach children how to behave. And no, slugging anyone else who has not taken aggressive physical force against you is NOT OK, no matter the size disparity. That kid assaulted the adult, no way out. He does not get a pass because he’s “only eight” or because he has “a disability”. He’s got one, arldight.. he thinks he’s King of the Universe locked up in a 42 inch high sack of meat and anger. . His size, age, DSM diagnosis, ineffecitve Mommy, make no excuse for him. That would fall into the “its not my fault because that’s what my Rice Krispies told me to do…” No, punk, your Rice Krispies do NOT trump the laws, or common decency.
                And to think that if his Mommie had spanked him a few times when he was two, and got rebellions and physicaly attacked her, maybe he’d have learned that to haul of and slug someone, for no valid reason, is “NOT A PROPER THING TO CO” and WILL reliably result in some serious trouble of one unpleasant sort or another.

                1. It is indefensible for an adult teacher to start a fight with a severely mentally disabled child over how he sits according to the plan created by the school and the parents for this child.

                  Then when he tells her that she’s going to be in trouble (and he was right) she retaliates by calling the police, also in violation of the plan made by the school for that child.

                  Then, the school allows the police to arrest the child without his father who was at the school the whole time and ready willing and able to step in due to the plan made by the school for that child.

                  Nope. This is NOT on the parents. The school screwed up on this one. The kid is right. That teacher’s ass is getting kicked in court.

                  1. The kid punched the teacher. He should be expelled. Period. And spanking isn’t hitting. Most people with an ounce of common sense know this. They took discipline out of the schools. Now law enforcement can’t even do anything. How about we just let little psychopaths/criminals in training like him and hids mom run the school, and we’ll just expel all the good kids trying to learn?

                    1. The teacher deserved it.

                      Too bad he didn’t put her down at the time.

                2. I didn’t say “restrain.” I said “hit.” It’s beyond silly to assert that we can teach kids that it’s wrong to hit people who are upsetting you by hitting them when they upset you.

                  The idea that kids need to be hit in order to have discipline is bronze-age thinking, right up there with “women shouldn’t have careers” and “homosexuality is evil.” It’s factually baseless and ultimately bigoted.

                  1. In one word: bullshit. Go to any Whole Foods in any affluent area to see what a complete disaster the “time-out chair” is. In addition to hundreds of years of anecdotal evidence, Oklahoma State did a study which showed spanking was pretty damn effective. It’s idiot psychologists and other bleeding-heart dimwits who have pushed this crap and effectively cultivated generations who now have zero respect for authority (evidenced by the BLM protests). At this point, I’m glad there are less years in front of me than behind me, as I hopefully won’t be around to see our country crumble.

                    1. Whole Foods is a place you go because you want to.

                      Public school is a place you go because you are forced at gunpoint to go to.

                      Furthermore, this teacher is trained to deal with kids like this who have a specific plan and set of rules for this kid. I is her paid profession to play by the rules set up by the school and his parents for this specific kid.’

                      The teacher lost it and broke the rules. When the child acted as he is expected to act (he is severely mentally disabled) she doubled down and broke the law. Then the school and the cop also doubled down and broke the law.

                      This is specifically child abuse. Put the abusers in prison.

                    2. The vast majority of studies show no positive and some negative effects from spanking. Again, most people who actually work with kids and see them thrive and succeed believe it’s counter-productive to use violence as a behavioral tool.

                      I’m not cut out to be a police officer or a soldier, so I’m not. If you’re not cut out to control children without hitting them, you shouldn’t be around children.

                      If you’re genuinely near the end of your life, I hope you find peace.

                    3. The “State” did a study? The State always favors authoritarianism. No surprise that spanking would accomplish their authoritarian purpose.

                      I’ve witnessed too much damage done by it.

                    4. “…zero respect for authority…”

                      That’s a good thing. People are way to willing even eager to support wrongful authority.

                      The BLM protests are a GOOD thing. The police have way too much authority. There’s way too much authority in society.

                3. She was an agent of the state who had part in coercively forcing the kid into the government school. The government was coercing him and she had a part in it. He had every right to resist. Punching her was self-defense against a wrongful system.

        2. Arrest all the eight year old kids! Make ‘Murica Great Again!

          1. Too late.

            They are already imprisoned by the government school system.

            ODD is the “diagnosis” they give kids smart enough to reject non-consensual authority and try to break out.

      2. I worked with violent kids for years and there are a variety options between “letting the little bastard run amok” and battery.

        Any adult who can’t handle a kid without hitting them shouldn’t be working with (or having) kids.

        1. Yup, absolutely. Since the comment section is absolutely infected with knee jerk contrarians, I knew before I got to the end of the first paragraph that people would be defending the cop and others defending the teacher who called the cops. I hate that my dread was confirmed.

      3. Per the story, it is very possible the teacher did get hands on with the kid and the kid responded with an appropriate punch to the chest and was arrested ala the McCloskeys.

        If the teacher put her hands on the kid prompting the punch, they arrested the wrong person.

      4. Caught the boy ridin’ dirty.

      5. He probably didn’t like being oppressed by the compulsory government education system trying to break his spirit and turn him into statist collectivist conformist.

        When I was a kid, a teacher once slapped me, then lost a few windows in her classroom. If it had been a male teacher, he’d’ve gotten a fist or bat in his face or the school would have burned down or his car would have gone up in flames or he’d be ambushed and beaten.

        I finally got thrown out when I was 15. Though I would cit school all the time anyway. Worked for a year or so then joined the Army, got my GED and high school equivalence certificate a year BEFORE my “class” graduated, volunteered for Vietnam. Hated authoritarian ideologies.

        Compulsory government education should be abolished. The kid’s a hero. There’s no necessity to beat on the brat nor arrest ‘im – just throw ‘im out.

    3. Oppositional Disability Disorder

      I’ve seen that term pop up a couple of times recently. Apparently it is a real thing and has been for a while now, but I have to wonder if this is the new ADD/ADHD. IOW, is this the new thing that kids are going to be diagnosed with in droves when in reality only a few actually have it, like ADD was in the 90s? It seems like they’re constantly coming up with new ways to overly pathologize childhood.

      One problem with that sort of shit is that it basically gives the kid a built in excuse for all of his bad behavior instead of learning, for example, that it’s wrong to hit people. Instead of being held accountable for his bad behavior he’ll grow up never facing any consequences for his actions because he “has a condition.” Basically, people like that grow up and join Antifa.

      1. “Basically, people like that grow up and join Antifa.”

        People like that grow up and go to prison. At least they do when they age out of being handled by the juvenile justice system. I agree with all of you who are saying that giving this kid a label is not helping the child in any way. It allows adults to think they’re done treating the kid’s problem after merely identifying it, and said identification gets in the way of helping the child understand the consequences of their maladaptive behavior.

        Warehouse the kid in an asylum if you’re not going to bother teaching it right from wrong.

        1. Too late.

          The asylum is called public school and this kid was just arrested for trying to exercise his natural human right to be governed by consent.

          The existence of public schools is the problem.

      2. I’ve always heard it called ‘Oppositional / Defiant Disorder’.

      3. I wonder how many others he had hit or wanted to hit.

        Wonder what the mom does for a living.

    4. I used to despise all these ridiculous classifications of kids who were just behaving as kids, but I can now see the silver lining of being easier to shame the burrocracy for not knowing all this woke shit.

    5. Peter Hitchens wrote that had he been a child today, he’d have been given that diagnosis.

      1. I’m sure there are a lot of inappropriate diagnoses of ODD. But it is also a real thing. I’ve known some kids that were like that. Their opposition and defiance can be pretty delusional and crazy. Definitely more than kids pushing the limits at least in some cases.

      2. Any American kid fighting the injustice of forced, public school would. That’s why the diagnosis exists.

    6. So he was an ODD kid.

    7. “aka Being somewhere on the Spectrum between chronic Pain In the Ass headed toward dangerous Sociopath.”

      Yeah, a good attempt at handcuffing, booking, terrorizing, a felony record and a profound demonstration of state force on an impressionable child is just the way to fix it.

      Guess teaching kids to understand the wrong and say they are sorry is not tough enough love. It takes a village… cop to rear kids these days.

      It’s a wonder there is any recidivism at all.

    8. Not only is one not responsible for their own behavior, because there is certainly some 3 or 4 word syndrome we can attach to it, they are also no longer responsible for the monsters they raise.

      And bonus, when these kids are set loose on society and they do what everyone expects them to do, their parents will get to sue someone and get paid for being a terrible parent. Good times!

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  2. This would make a good South Park episode. You bastards you arrested Kenny.

    1. Arrested by eight or else it’s too late!

      Wait, I always get them confused with the North American Marlon Brando Look Alikes.

  3. He was so small the cuffs fell off his wrists!

    STOP RESISTING!!!

  4. But he’s a White kid, so it’s all right.

    1. But he’s not a New Englander Paleskin. You’re not True White unless you get a sunburn under fluorescent lighting. I mean, look at the Woketarians clogging college campuses. They’re whiter than bleached wonderbread.

      The name and photo suggest the kid was a half darkie Mediterranean type, like Nick. Eyetalian. Perhaps a Dego. A subrace only let into proper White Society barely a generation ago. A subrace still on probation from what I gather.

      1. A subrace still on probation from what I gather.

        That’s the Irish.

        1. Irish, Italian, doesn’t matter. Too many of both on the police forces of America. Taking jobs away from those who deserve it!

    2. Sometimes they just cross the line and you gotta shoot’em in the head.
      http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61640

      1. Holy shit.

        Now reverse the races and ask what would happen. I wouldn’t be hearing about it from a blog post, for one thing.

        Thanks, North Carolina on giving a thief and a felon three months in prison for multiple felonies before this. Good job! Good effort!

  5. Two years ago? Seriously?

    1. I guess the research and source confirmation and editor concurrence take a while. Like they said, procedures were followed.

  6. > …a felony battery charge on Dec. 14, 2018, after he allegedly punched a teacher in the chest

    First off, ancient story.

    Second, this was an eight year old kid. Sixty four pounds. Troubled kids sometimes do that. Teachers should NEVER call the cops on their students, no matter how disruptive, unless an actual violent crime has been committed. And even then a sense of proportion needs to be maintained. Yes a punch is violent, but this was an eight year old sixty four pound kid.

    Side note: I was a kindergarten teacher once. I had a special needs kid in my class. He sometimes hit me. I didn’t like it, not at all. But not once did I ever consider calling the cops on him. It’s unthinkable. Maybe if I were a high school teacher and the kid was sixteen. Proportionality is needed. There is no excuse to ever call the cops on an eight year old.

    Other side note: Same age in second grade, I was “fake” arrested by a cop. I suppose they thought it was cute at the time. I was a bit rowdy in lined up to get back into the classroom, and the visiting cop “jokingly” handcuffs me. Of course my hands slipped out of the cuffs. I did an abracadabra move and pretended I was Houdini. Cop was mildly amused. It was a half joke on the cop’s part. Thinking back on it, that Barney Fife was clearly in the wrong. But I also think of the massive gulf between then and now, how the cop culture has changed. What was once a joke in poor taste by Officer Friendly back in the very late 60s, would now be considered standard operating procedure by Officer Tightass. Hell, a cop could get fired for NOT arresting an eight year old!

    Where the fuck did we go wrong?

    1. You want to volunteer to get punched by the kids, Brandy? I don’t remember reading that in the job description for ‘teacher.’ How do you propose to stop the kid’s behavior? Never mind deterring him from the next punch being with a pair of scissors in his fist. No teacher should have to put up with some kid hitting them.

      Again, the same people freaking out about this, would also freak out if the school teacher had slammed the kid to the ground after the first punch. (Or, more likely, gotten one of the older men to do it for her.) Which is what would have happened had I been stupid enough to take a swing at a female teacher back in the late 70s when I was in elementary school. If the teachers can’t touch the kids then they’re going to have cops do it.

      1. How do you propose to stop the kid’s behavior?

        Tell the parent(s) to get their kid straightened out or he’ll be expelled?

        Which is what would have happened had I been stupid enough to take a swing at a female teacher back in the late 70s when I was in elementary school.

        This. And you’d probably have worse waiting for you when you got home.

        1. Tell the parent(s) to get their kid straightened out or he’ll be expelled?

          Only problem with that is this line from the story:

          She then told the boy to walk with her. As he did, he told her, ‘My mom is going to beat your a–,’

          I’ll just go ahead and pull out my Jump to Conclusions Mat and say that in all likelihood the mom is one of those helicopter moms who will allow the little monster to get away with murder and anyone who “disrespects” her little angel will have hell to pay. And the kid knows it. Hell, that might even be where he learned to deal with his problems with violence.

          I say just go ahead and expel the little fucker. Then he’s some other school’s problem.

          1. My guess, given the “beat your ass” line would be that the mom is something rather different from a typical helicopter parent.

          2. Yes, expel the kid. Note the light years of distance between expelling the child and arresting and cuffing the child. If you can’t tell the difference you have no business being either a teacher or a parent.

          3. Probably the opposite of a helicopter mom, more likely always on her phone ignoring the child mom…what is that called?

            One of the issues causing these problems is the “mainstreaming” of children with special needs. Back in the 70s if a child had special needs they would be in a special class with a teacher who was trained to deal with these kids. This also acted as a deterrent for rowdy kids, they did not want to be put in that class and have to ride the short bus. When children have no consequences for their actions you end up with behavior like this, just look at what is happening in Portland and Seattle, when they can assault people, destroy building and there is no consequences they will just escalate until someone really gets hurt or killed.
            I also went to a school with the paddle threat like some other posters and it worked. The coach had the scary one hanging on the wall, don’t remember the name on it but it was named. And you know what, don’t ever remember him having to use it…just the threat of it was enough to keep us inline.

            1. The school failed to follow the plan, and failed to contact his father who was at the school at the time.

              The parents did everything right.

              The school violated all the agreements and did everything wrong.
              https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/08/11/key-west-mom-speaks-about-8-year-old-childs-arrest-that-was-caught-on-camera/

        2. not gonna be able to expel him if he has a diagnosis

        3. You think his parents give a shit about him, beyond using him to win the ghetto lottery, or as a way to make their federal check bigger?

          OK, expel the kid. Now what? He still has to go to school when he’s 8. All it means is that we’re having this conversation at the ‘alternative school’, instead of the main elementary school. The cops’ll show up there, too.

          1. How do you know the parent’s don’t care?

            Oh that’s right… They let him go to a public, government run, mandatory, school where no one cares about anything other than their own pension.

            Seriously Gray_Jay, who do you think gets the bigger government handout, the kid’s parents, the cops or the teacher who started this?

            1. Read the story, if you can pull your head out of the clouds for the 30 seconds it would take to do so.

              (“The asylum is called public school and this kid was just arrested for trying to exercise his natural human right to be governed by consent.”

              Dude, are you for real? Do you even know any children? Or private school teachers? Hell, they’d beat his ass even faster, or why I the only one who went to a school with ruler-happy nuns and Brothers force year?)

              Note the part where the kid tells the teacher that his mom is going to beat her ass. You think a kid where that’s the first thing he thinks of to tell the teacher about his parents, has parents that care whether the little hellion learns to behave or not? They’re likely just happy he’s out of their hair from 7:30-2:25.

              No, I don’t think his parent(s) will care to discipline him for acting up in school. I view any set of parents willing to hire Ben Crump as far more interested in getting a payday, and maybe getting on television or a GoFundMe, than they are interested in whether their child is learning lessons that will put him in a group home, cell, or grave in ten years.

              1. Oh autocorrect, way to mangle my anecdote of going to Catholic school for one term.

              2. The child was not acting up. He was behaving normally per his abilities and well within the parameters set by the school. The teacher failed to follow the plan, abused this child, and should go to prison for it.

                I survived a Christian school by ending it. They were abusive, we (kids) stood up for ourselves and killed it. Pastor William Malgren went to prison because we physically fought the teachers, pastor and in my case my own family and won.

                My mother, my sister, my sister-in-law and my brother-in-law all lost their jobs when we killed that school. Yeah, I know a few teachers. I despise them. They fear and hate me and only call when they need something big because I have been FAR more successful than they ever could be.

                They say living well is the best revenge. I’m not so sure.

                We killed their fucking church along with the school. It took 30 years to restart it.

                To me that was the greatest reward of all.

              3. “Note the part where the kid tells the teacher that his mom is going to beat her ass. You think a kid where that’s the first thing he thinks of to tell the teacher about his parents, has parents that care whether the little hellion learns to behave or not? They’re likely just happy he’s out of their hair from 7:30-2:25.”

                Nope. Dad was at the school at the time of the incident. The school even failed to contact him.

                https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/08/11/key-west-mom-speaks-about-8-year-old-childs-arrest-that-was-caught-on-camera/

                These parents have a rough job but they are engaged. The school failed on this one big time.

      2. Teachers are allowed to defend themselves in ways that are appropriate for small kids. If you can’t control a child without hitting them or slamming them to the ground, you shouldn’t be around kids.

      3. How do you propose to stop the kid’s behavior?

        Expell him. Kid won’t be around to hit anyone.

    2. Too many people vote for democrats.

    3. So according to the story, the child told the teacher “don’t put your hands on me” before punching the teacher in the chest.

      So, did the teacher assault the child FIRST or not?

      Once an adult puts his hands on an autistic child it is on. The autistic child has no other options, it’s fight or flight. That’s the nature of autism.

  7. Reason making common cause with the ADA. Not surprised but wondered when that day would happen. We are fucked.

    1. Commentariat making common cause with Karens calling the cops on skinny eight year olds. Not surprised but wondered when that day would happen. We are fucked.

    2. Maybe I missed it but where in the article is Reason Magazine saying that the ADA is a good thing?

  8. >>wrists were too small for the cuffs

    Simpsons did it.

    1. There’s no issue that show hasn’t addressed. The Simpsons are the new Shakespeare. And they’ve even covered Shakespeare.

      1. I try to sell the world on this premise.

      2. The words of the prophets are written on subway walls and tenement halls.

        The Simpsons is profound, electronic graffiti.

        1. yeah i like that.

    2. “>>wrists were too small for the cuffs”

      And no zip ties?

  9. Just for the record:
    The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, lists criteria for diagnosing ODD. The DSM-5 criteria include emotional and behavioral symptoms that last at least six months.
    Angry and irritable mood:
    Often and easily loses temper
    Is frequently touchy and easily annoyed by others
    Is often angry and resentful
    Argumentative and defiant behavior:
    Often argues with adults or people in authority
    Often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults’ requests or rules
    Often deliberately annoys or upsets people
    Often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
    Vindictiveness:
    Is often spiteful or vindictive
    Has shown spiteful or vindictive behavior at least twice in the past six months

    Wait; what? That reads like a description of all of us!

    Full details at
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20375831

    1. If you say someone is normal, you can’t bill the hours.

      1. Too true. I remember contracting rule number one:
        “A day without billing is like a day without sunshine”

      2. I need to remember to scroll before posting. What UA said.

    2. Show me a personality quirk that makes someone unique, and I’ll show you a Mental Disorder that requires professional help and medication.

    3. “That reads like a description of all of us!”

      Awesome! Then Medicaid won’t kick back the billing codes on the claim for being inapplicable.

    4. > Wait; what? That reads like a description of all of us!

      Yes. Now you are starting to realize how fucked the comment section has become.

  10. “According to the report, procedures were followed.”

    Because the cops never lie on their reports.
    Video evidence never contradicts the reports.
    Witness testimony always supports the police reports.

    ODD can be a real thing – some children are simply not able to “go along to get along” – and when you ask a cop to be a special-needs support person, you’re going to get behavior that “follows procedures.”

  11. Nobody’s going to blame Bush and his No Child Left Behind No Matter What A Little Monster The Freak Is? If the kid’s got a mental condition, send him to the retard school. I’d guess about 90% of kids with “conditions” would snap the fuck out of it if you threatened to send them to the retard school. I mean, if they still had retard schools instead of making every school a retard school these days.

    1. They still have special schools for kids who are too disruptive for public school. And they are not nice places.

    2. The kid may or may not have a mental condition.

      A teacher who can’t handle a 50lb kid and calls the cops on him is absolutely retarded. Since this is not an isolated incident I suggest that ALL public schools are retard schools because they are administrated by entitled Karens.

      1. “The kid may or may not have a mental condition.”

        Except you have gone back and forth falling all over yourself to claim he was disabled (he isnt) and mentally handicapped (extreme exaggeration), comparisons to autism (completely disingenuous and misleading to someone not familiar with ODD), and catching the vapors over these horrible violations to this poor disabled child.

        You clearly have no clue of the disorder that is being referenced. And now you are OK with the fact that he may have nothing at all…You literally have zero idea what you are talking about, and no ability to make any kind of rational point.

        You are coming off as a shrieking child, leave the conversation to the adults kiddo.

        1. Heyo actual doc. That was written by me EARLY in this conversation. I continued to research this specific case and my rhetoric changed accordingly.

          The child has severe ADD and ODD as well as other serious ’emotional’ problems per additional resources on the web. This is confirmed by the state and the school as the school has a specific plan for how to deal with this specific child. This includes notifying his father who was on site at the time of the incident.

          He may or may not be autistic. I am and understand autism and how autistic kids get abused. So sorry if I sound a bit emotional. I am autistic and have fought this for almost 40 years.

          When a parent submits to a state program for their child, it is devastating. These parents lived through that are engaged with their child and the school and the school program was not followed.

          I blame the cop a little, but the teacher was placed over this child and given trust by the parents and the school and it was done so by a legal ruling of the state. The teacher violated that trust, broke the law and the rules the school laid out and abused a child.

          Why defend these progressive, socialist, agents of the state? Been to Epstein island much there doc?

  12. That was nowhere near as bad as I feared.

    I’ve worked with kids who have oppositional defiance issues, and sometimes you have to intimidate them a bit if things start getting risky. It won’t fix their behavior, but they usually won’t recreate the same scenario next time because it’s no longer worth their while.

    1. Autistics get bullied. Bullies are cowards. Bullying only exists with the approval of unjust authority. There is nothing more American than fighting unjust authority.

      Teachers trying to intimidate a child are bullies and bullies should be punched, repeatedly and often. Teachers are the most entitled, authoritarian, bullies in our nation today.

      I see this as a bully picking on an autistic kid who fought back. The police arrested the wrong person and are getting sued.

      I say, sue the school and end the school and send the bullies to the unemployment line. Worked when we ended TOBS over William Malgren. It can still work today.

      1. Oppositional defiance has absolutely nothing to do with autism.
        It’s a fancy way of saying some kids are instinctive rebels and that others are natural assholes.

        1. Sorry, I read another article that talked about this kid having ADD and ODD as well as other diagnosed emotional issues and assumed autism.

          You have a valid point. The child may not be autistic.

          I still stick to my point about adults who try to intimidate children.

          The school program for this child was not followed. The child’s father was at the school during the incident and he was not contacted.

          The teacher violated this child, is a bully and needs to be held accountable in the most vicious way the law allows. The cop is to blame too, but I blame the teacher first and foremost.

          In Thousand Oaks we ended the school, and the church, and sent the preacher away to prison and the principal away in traction. I broke his legs and ribs with his own paddle. I was 14.

          I joined US Army Airborne Infantry specifically so I could learn the skills to come back and kill William Malgren. School abuse by evil teachers framed my life for 20 years.

          The list of defendants includes several people at the school as well as the cop. I hope they all rot in Hell for this.

          If it were up to me or I had witnessed this, they would already be there.

          1. My brother, I was abused in my own unique way so do not laugh, I hear you, I feel the pain, and the shame, and hatred; and I know about how the rage never ended.

            You are injured; you are damaged in the heart. As am I.
            Accept love wherever offered. Live a life of peace, lest you pass the gift on to the next generation. These sick men were almost certainly abused. Break the cycle as I have; love yourself.

            Forgive yourself.

            1. I have seen a few nasty things in my life but the worst have always been adults versus kids because they thought the kid ‘deserved it’.

              There may be kids so bad their parents do deserve it.

              This is not one of those.

              It’s hard to read some of the posts by the bootlickers and not feel shame for the state of our nation.

              Innocent until proven guilty is a miracle of the United States that we must fight for with passion and lethal intent for we lose it with deadly consequences.

              If I seem passionate, I am. I’ve fought this fight before. But from what I have seen, the consequences of not fighting are FAR FAR worse.

          2. US Army Airborne Infantry

            What is it about airborne that draws rebels? I served in a leg unit (25th Infantry Div) and an airborne unit (173rd Airborne Brigade, “The Herd”) when I was in ‘nam. The 173rd was filled with badass teenagers, many, if not most, of whom had been kicked out or dropped out of high school and joined when they were 17. That was me.

    2. After years of working with violent kids in special schools, many of whom had the ODD diagnosis, I realized that their disorder consisted mostly of refusing to do what adults told them to do and acting out when punished for not complying with those adults. Another symptom was expressing contempt and disrespect for the adults who believed that kids should do whatever they’re told simply because they’ve been around sun fewer than 18 times.

      You almost have to go to an actual prison or North Korea to find a more authoritarian environment than your average school. It makes sense that some people will freak out as a response to having zero agency over their minds and time.

      1. ^^Bingo!^^

        1. If you’re a parent or a teacher running herd on a pack of 30 little assholes, sometimes you have to set aside you’re libertarian principles so the dinks don’t kill each other.
          Kids are not miniature adults with a fully developed set of mores and social behaviors.

          1. If you are a public school teacher you are an entitled bully who needs to be run out on a rail.

            If you are “running heard” on kids, you are an entitled bully who needs to be run out of town on a rail.

            If you are in charge of other people’s kids (because men with guns put you in charge over their kids by force) and you consider them to be “little assholes” or “dinks” you are an entitled bully who needs to be run out of town on a rail.

            If you can “give up on your libertarian principles” you have no principles and shouldn’t be anywhere near children.

            Your last post speaks VOLUMES.

            1. Oh, the libertarian principles are pretty simple: no public schools at all. In that case, parents would be stuck with this kid on their own time and dime, since no school would take him.

              1. End public schools.

                End the property tax.

                Get government out of the way and allow parents to form their own associations and schools.

                I can’t say what that would look like. But I suspect it serves the children and the parents MUCH better than public school.

          2. If you’re a parent or teacher who thinks the kids in their charge are “little assholes,” you shouldn’t be either.

            If you think you have to set aside the non-aggression principle in order to have a happy, healthy classroom, then you’ve either never been a teacher, or you were very, very bad at it.

      2. Another symptom was expressing contempt and disrespect for the adults who believed that kids should do whatever they’re told simply because they’ve been around sun fewer than 18 times.

        Kids must do what they are told because they depend on adults too feed, shelter, and clothe them, with the expectation that they will abide by our laws and eventually become net contributors. That’s the deal in our society.

        1. This child is severely, mentally disabled.

          He is not able to now and may never be able to consent to any deal.

          Because of this, the school and the parents have a legally binding plan to follow when this child acts the way he does.

          The teacher failed to abide by the rules. The teacher broke the law and doubled down when she lost it over his wiggling in a chair.

          Put this over entitled teacher behind bars for child abuse. That’s the deal in our society for adults who break the rules/laws and abuse little kids who can’t defend themselves.

          1. This child is severely, mentally disabled. He is not able to now and may never be able to consent to any deal.

            I’m not talking about a legal deal, I’m talking about the source of adult authority of children. LIM didn’t understand that source, and apparently neither do you.

            Because of this, the school and the parents have a legally binding plan to follow when this child acts the way he does.

            All of that comes at a cost. Why should I as a tax payer bear the cost for public school teachers to implement complex plans for someone else’s child? According to you, what is the source of my moral obligation?

            Put this over entitled teacher behind bars for child abuse.

            Nix the “legally binding plan” and expel the kid from all public schools. Let the parents deal with it, let the parents educate him, and hold them civilly and legally responsible for their son’s future actions.

            1. “All of that comes at a cost. Why should I as a tax payer bear the cost for public school teachers to implement complex plans for someone else’s child? According to you, what is the source of my moral obligation?”

              You shouldn’t. No one should. Forced school is a progressive construct. End it and this child doesn’t get abused by this teacher and the taxpayer isn’t on the hook for the settlement.

              “Nix the “legally binding plan” and expel the kid from all public schools. Let the parents deal with it, let the parents educate him, and hold them civilly and legally responsible for their son’s future actions.”

              Sure. Yes. Absolutely!!! But you have to get the progressive law that forces this situation off the books first. It is protected by one of the largest, most powerful lobbying orgs in the US. Good luck.

              Proggies continue to want to eat their cake and have it too. They want laws that only apply to us but not them. The parents obeyed this law. The government agents did not.

              Why should government agents not have to abide by the laws the parents are forced to abide by?

            2. Why should government agents not have to abide by the laws the parents are forced to abide by?

              These particular “government agents” are teachers. They aren’t slaves, they aren’t trained to deal little violent psychopaths, and they aren’t qualified administer treatment plans to mentally ill kids.

              It is reasonable and responsible for them to refuse to comply with a treatment plan they aren’t able to administer. That’s not a crime; at most it may be a violation of their employment contract, in which case the school is free to fire them. But that’s the extent of it.

              1. A psychopath is exceptionally good at manipulation and is cunning in his/her interactions with people. This child suffers from ODD, ADD and other severe emotional issues according to GoogleFu. This is opposite of the definition of a psychopath.

                Please don’t paint this as a one size fits all case. I am not suggesting that punishing this teacher should be the result of teachers dealing with ALL unruly children.

                This is a specific case and this child has a specific plan written by the state and the parents of the child to handle this child in this specific environment. I didn’t write the law. Neither did the parents (so far as I know).

                If this teacher is unable to abide by the rules she is trained for and expected to be accountable for she needs to quit BEFORE a child’s safety is placed in her hands.

                Her violation seems to have happened BEFORE the child allegedly struck her.

                She chose this profession. The child and the parents have no right (per the law) to choose if their child goes to school or which teachers the school hires. The state decided and the state built the plan and the state hired a teacher who cannot or will not abide by the rules and the law.

                Furthermore, she called the police and escalated this to the point of abuse. The child’s father was on premises but was not contacted per the plan. Why? (speculation follows) The teacher was angry and afraid that she was busted so she Karen-ed the kid to save her own ass (my speculation).

                I believe it is reasonable to hold agents of the state accountable since agents of the state forced the parents’ compliance and dropped the ball.

                I won’t always side with the parents, but based on my research, the parents did right by their kid. The teacher got flustered and acted out and should be held accountable for her actions.

                1. I didn’t write the law. The state decided and the state built the plan and the state hired a teacher who cannot or will not abide by the rules and the law.

                  You’re free to complain that someone violated some law. I’m simply telling you that the law does not provide jailing teachers for “failing to follow a treatment plan” or for “calling the police”.

                  You might have a case if the teacher actually physically abused the student, but she didn’t.

                  This is a specific case and this child has a specific plan written by the state and the parents of the child to handle this child in this specific environment.

                  Yes, and it was a bad plan. Teachers are neither trained nor qualified to implement such a plan. It’s not the teacher’s fault when their employer agrees to plans that their employees can’t actually implement.

        2. Kids must do what they are told because they depend on adults too feed, shelter, and clothe them…

          It’s the parents that do that, not the school. Kids owe no obedience to strangers or the coercive education system.

  13. It’s weirdly predictable for this particular comment board that a bunch of self-identifying small-government types would be advocating for agents of the state to commit violence against children who futilely act out in large part because they’re forced by the state to go to shitty state-run schools.

    Also, any adult who isn’t kid-size and can’t deal with even a violent child without hitting them is clumsy, frightened, and stupid.

    1. ^^This.

      End the property tax to end forced, public schools and this doesn’t happen any more.

      1. yes it does, in the private school he then goes to.

        1. For lots of kids, school itself is a huge driver of the problem. Some human brains just can’t naturally adjust to authoritarian environments where might makes right and compliance is the only way to “succeed.” And why should they?

          1. Spot on.

            School teaches compliance and obedience.

            Those who do, do. Those who can’t do, teach.

            The problem with school is the mandatory part. End that and we fix most of the issue.

        2. Why?

          Edison dropped out and invented the light bulb.

          End the property tax and there is no need to force kids to go to any school at all or to have both parents work to earn enough to pay the tax.

          Fire the teachers so they have to earn a living that contributes to the GDP and holy hell, this even ends ANTIFA.

        3. Private schools wouldn’t let it get to this point, they’d kick the kid out first time he misbehaves.

          This is ultimately the parent’s fault and responsibility.

          1. No.

            The parents had a legally binding plan and the father was on location at the time. The school did not contact him and did not follow the plan set up for this child’s specific needs.

            The teacher failed to follow the rules and broke the law. The government agent misbehaved here, not the child.

            1. The error here is earlier, namely in letting such a kid remain in a public school in the first place. Instead of writing a plan, the kid should have been expelled when his problems became apparent.

              1. But that is against the law.

                I agree but if the parents do this, DSS is going to abuse the family even more.

              2. “letting such a kid remain in a public school in the first place”

                I think that statement above shows the difference in our point of view.

                You consider going to public school a privilege. I do not.

                I believe an education is a privilege.

                Obamacare and VA benefits show that insurance is not care. Only care is care. Public schools are no better. They are just another failed, socialist experiment that we are forced to pay for.

                This is of course, only my opinion. I look to ANTIFA and Bernie Sanders supporters for evidence. YMMV.

                It has been a pleasure debating with you NOYB2. I can see that we do not see eye to eye on this issue but I bear you no ill will.

                Thank you for your civility.

            2. The teacher failed to follow the rules and broke the law.

              Refusing to carry out work under your employment contract is not “breaking the law”, it’s a contract violation. However, so is trying to force employees to do something they aren’t qualified or were hired for, like dealing with violent kids. If there is any legal responsibility at all, it’s with the school, not the teachers.

              1. So QI for teachers now?

                I am suggesting that she did two things, violated the rules by not following the plan set by the school is one thing.

                When she was caught, she escalated by calling the police in an effort to punish the child and the family for her violation of the rules. This is very likely criminal.

                This child may be scarred for life, not because teacher tried to make him sit, but because once he pointed out that she is not permitted to do whatever she was doing, she successfully punished him and used the police to do so.

                1. When she was caught, she escalated by calling the police in an effort to punish the child and the family for her violation of the rules. This is very likely criminal.

                  Why would calling the police on a boy who apparently committed a physical assault be “criminal”? What specific criminal law would that violate?

                  This child may be scarred for life, not because teacher tried to make him sit, but because once he pointed out that she is not permitted to do whatever she was doing

                  The boy refused to comply with her instructions, he tried to use a medical excuse to justify his disobedience, and finally became violent. What is destroying the boy’s life is the circumstances that make it impossible to discipline him for his misbehavior.

                  And what exactly do you think the teacher should have done? Just walked away?

                  So, please be specific: (1) what criminal law did the teacher violate, and (2) what should the teacher have done instead?

        4. The parents could send him to a less oppressive school than a government school, like a Montesorri school or similar.

  14. Expel him, he disrupts the school.
    His parents would do well to get him some serious professional help.

    1. The parents did. The pros sent him to the school with a school plan.

      His father was at the school at the time and was not contacted.

      The school failed to follow the plan, escalated this into a fight started by the teacher and should pay out the nose for this.

      In no way possible is this the child’s fault or the parent’s fault. All charges against the child were dropped as soon as the DA saw the plan the parents and school had worked out before the child attended.

      1. It’s not the teacher’s fault; they aren’t qualified to deal with such kids. And the school doesn’t have a choice in the matter either: they are legally required to take such kids under whatever plan some credentialed expert cooks up.

        The only people with an actual choice in the matter were the boy’s parents: they could choose not to send him to public school; they could choose to home school or send him to an institution better equipped to deal with him. Instead, they chose to pawn off their problem onto the public and the public purse because well-meaning legislation entitles them to do so.

        1. So long as the state mandates school and the taxes to pay for them, the parents do not have a choice. The state does and the state must employ agents that can and will uphold the law.

          The progressive state created this mess and is on the hook for it when one of their agents hoses up the deal.

          It isn’t the kid’s fault. The teacher punished the kid. That is the teacher’s fault. Furthermore, she escalated to the police just like a Karen.

          I say, lock her up!

          1. So long as the state mandates school and the taxes to pay for them, the parents do not have a choice.

            Parents do have a choice: they can home school or send their kids to private school.

            It isn’t the kid’s fault. The teacher punished the kid. That is the teacher’s fault.

            The teacher was prohibited from punishing the kid by “the plan”; the boy himself said so. Once the kid punched the teacher, what exactly do you suggest the proper response by the teacher should have been? In general, how do you want teachers to deal with violent kids?

            Do you actually have kids? Do you have any educational experience?

            1. Once the kid punched the teacher, what exactly do you suggest the proper response by the teacher should have been? In general, how do you want teachers to deal with violent kids?

              Defend herself from physical violence as necessary. Expel or suspend the kid. Avoid creating situation that would lead to rebellion.

              Do you actually have kids?

              No. But that makes me more objective as an outside observer. From my objective observations: 1) Don’t have kids until you have the TIME to spend supervising and guiding them, 2) Don’t have kids until you have the emotional maturity to provide your kids with emotional support and deal with inevitable frustration, 3) Set the example for your kids you want them to emulate, 4) Read and learn all you can about child development and child psychology, 5) Have realistic and reasonable expectations, 6) Be prepared to spend a few hundred thousand dollars per kid over their lifetimes.

              Do you have any educational experience?

              20+ years teaching junior college (freshman & sophmore) math. I substituted once for AP calculus in a high school. The students were nowhere near as well-behaved as college students. I upped the difficulty of the course material, holding them responsible for mathematical proofs. That kept them in line, focused on the course material. I didn’t have to eject any students.

  15. Looks like the encounter with a cop effectively made him UN-disabled and the kid was somehow possessed with self-control. It’s amazing what a little accountability will do, esp for an impressionable kid.

    School resource cops are an unfortunate symptom of the pro-excuse and anti-consequence culture. They are very helpful to teachers, like my wife and I once were, who have their hands tied by piles of forms and improvement plans required before removing disruptive and violent kids.

    Like many libertarian policy goals, several other policies would need to be adjusted before waving a wand and eliminating such cops.

    1. The cop probably treated him with more respect and was not violent.

      Not sure we can say that about the teacher who failed to follow the plan for this severely disabled child.

      All charges were dropped immediately and the school is now a defendant for failing to abide by the law and the agreements in place before this incident happened.
      https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/08/11/key-west-mom-speaks-about-8-year-old-childs-arrest-that-was-caught-on-camera/

    2. Indeed, until those kids learn to simply do what the state authorities tell them to do, and until they stop having bad reactions to the state forcing them to eat, speak, read, write, and use the bathroom only with state permission, it will be impossible to implement libertarian policies. How people can’t see this is beyond me.

    3. I’m not saying that societal issues aren’t the bigger issue here (single parent households that possess neither trade, nor professional license, nor college degrees often make for difficult environments for children; many of these parents should have waited to be parents), but how many young lives did you and your teacher wife help ruin? You seriously think that handcuffing 8-year olds is an acceptable outcome in? If so, take your greasy pension and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. And go catch COVID-19 and infect your wife while you’re at it.

  16. Calling modern cops Barney Fifes is an insult to the classic TV character and an undue compliment to modern cops.

    1. Yeah, I bet Barney never shot someone’s dog

  17. That “teacher” has no business being around children if they let an 8 year old not only punch them, but allowed themselves to feel threatened by said 8 year old’s words.

    Pension-sucking, whiny, lazy, entitled statists are what our education system is filled with.

    1. *is comprised of.

      1. Good correction.

        Because, as we all know, it’s “filled with” shit. 🙂

  18. This is a good news story, the cop didn’t shoot the kid in the back.

  19. Wire tie-wraps work wonders around future-felons…

    1. That would almost certainly increase the amount of money tax payers are going to pay for the state’s thuggery.

      How much of your income tax is going to pay for similar crap?

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      2. LMAO, aviation grade wire-ties sell for like $5.00 a hundred, try harder next time…

        1. LMAO, the cop failed to cuff the kid.

          That is likely to help the city when it comes to the settlement they are going to pay for this.

          That is a good thing. Because the cop who arrested an 8 year isn’t going to have to pay the settlement out of his own pocket. It comes from the taxpayers.

          The cost of wire ties is irrelevant. The cost of using them on an 8 year old might be another 0 on the end of that settlement.

          As for the homeowners in that city, they should be grateful the cop didn’t have wire ties and didn’t try harder.

          Hopefully, there won’t be a next time.

          1. Wow, it’s nasty people all around: teachers, cops, students, and you.

            1. Don’t forget Trump.

              If you have to deal with nasty people like these entitled, progressive, government fiends, you send nasty people with an attitude to handle them.

              Uphold the law. Put this teacher in jail for child abuse.

              1. Uphold the law. Put this teacher in jail for child abuse.

                For what? The teacher didn’t touch the kid, the kid punched the teacher. And teachers are not trained or equipped to deal with mental illness.

                The kid is mentally ill according to the parents; he shouldn’t be in a public school because he’s a threat to teachers and other students. The state should offer the parents two options: either keep him at home and take responsibility for his future actions, or put him into a facility equipped to deal with his condition.

                1. The state did put him in a facility equipped to deal with his condition.

                  Per the state, the school and the parents, this child is mentally handicapped. That documentation is clear from other news reports.

                  The teacher has a legal obligation to abide by the plan set out by the state. She did not. She violated those rules.

                  If she can’t follow the law, put her in jail. If you don’t like the law, change it.

                  1. The state did put him in a facility equipped to deal with his condition.

                    Public schools are not equipped to deal with his condition.

                    The teacher has a legal obligation to abide by the plan set out by the state. She did not. She violated those rules. If she can’t follow the law, put her in jail. If you don’t like the law, change it.

                    The teacher is an employee; refusing to carry out her job under her employment contract is merely a contractual violation, not a jailable offense.

                    The legally responsible entity is the employer, the school. In this case, the employer violated their legal obligations to the boy (by failing their public education mandate), and likely also violated their legal obligations to the teacher (by forcing her to deal with a situation she is not qualified to deal with).

                    1. I’ll buy that right up until she calls the police.

                      At that point she is making the process be the punishment.

                      Lock her up!

                    2. I’ll buy that right up until she calls the police.

                      “The plan” prohibited her from taking all the usual measures teachers take in such situations. The boy was refusing to comply with her instructions and becoming violent. What do you suggest she do instead of calling the police?

  20. I don’t care. You don’t have to hand cuff a child. Sorry.

    This for me is where I draw the line. It does point right to the heart of what a civil society should be and for me police handcuffing children is retarded and morally bankrupted.

    1. Just looking at the technical issue, not the other crap this site likes to revel in…

  21. Get cops out of schools, they just criminalize normal kid stuff like cutting class and fistfights. Plus the “sros” are the ones who are too stupid, fat, and/or lazy to be real cops.

    1. Get kids out of government schools.

      Let the cops have the slide, the swings and everything!

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  23. Just a little psychological torture of a child by the municipal terrorists… nothing to see here.
    And the school you believe is safeguarding your children not only allowed but caused this.
    If I was that boys father I’d have beaten that smug bald headed thug into a coma.

  24. Momma has her own mugshot out there. She had less lip filler in the mugshot.

    My kids would never have even thought that I would fight another woman; I wonder why that was the boy’s response to the teacher just before he hit her? Social Services needs to find out what kind of abuse this boy is suffering at home.

    1. “My kids would never have even thought that I would fight another woman; I wonder why that was the boy’s response to the teacher just before he hit her? Social Services needs to find out what kind of abuse this boy is suffering at home.”

      I would assume you and your kids are pretty normal and none of you suffer from ODD, ADD and severe emotional issues such that you have a plan from the state to create a special environment.

      I suspect the teacher violated the rules, then the kid told her she was going to be in trouble so she escalated by grabbing him and calling the police.

      Remember, dad was on site but never called. He was there to help but they never called him. This isn’t about neglect at home. This is about an over-entitled agent of the state going Karen on an 8 year old handicapped kid.

      1. Kids with these kinds of issues are generally live in abusive chaotic environments and/or were exposed to drug use during gestation. The child’s statement was “My mother is going to kick your A**”, right before HE punched the teacher.

        That came from somewhere. Given that his mom has her own experience within the justice system, I am highly skeptical that this was a school induced issue.

        1. As I read it, before he said “My mother is going to kick your A**” he said “‘Don’t put your hands on me.'”.

          As I read it, he said ‘Don’t put your hands on me.’ right before he hit the teacher.

          I suspect this over entitled government agent lost it when he acted like a kid with severe ADD (hyperactivity and not sitting still) so she grabbed him. I think at that point, she was screwed for violating the rules realized it and called the cops to ‘cover it up’ and get some Karenesque payback.

          Because bullies always blame the victim. Always.

          I don’t know for sure, because I wasn’t there. But I have seen this enough to seriously question the teacher who called police on a disabled 8 year old kid.

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