Cancel Culture

Comedian Ricky Gervais Rips Cancel Culture While Admitting To Being Like Hitler

"I’m a vegetarian and I love dogs, like Hitler. But the only thing I have in common with Hitler are the good bits!"

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Comedian Ricky Gervais is no stranger to controversy. Earlier this year, as host of the Golden Globe Awards, he hilariously ripped the representatives of woke Hollywood sitting in the same room as him, saying, "You're in no position to lecture the public about anything…You know nothing about the real world. Most of you spent less time in school than Greta Thunberg."

Now in a new interview with the British web magazine Metro, the star of the original British version of The Office and the Netflix series After Life tears into cancel culture with brio, insight, and honesty rare among intellectuals much less the entertainment types he spends so much time slagging. Along the way, he likens himself to Adolf Hitler to underscore what he sees as the inanity of social media censors coming for the jobs and livelihoods of other people:

If it is choosing not to watch a comedian because you don't like them, that's everyone's right. But when people are trying to get someone fired because they don't like their opinion about something that's nothing to do with their job, that's what I call cancel culture and that's not cool.

You turning off your own TV isn't censorship. You trying to get other people to turn off their TV, because you don't like something they're watching, that's different. Everyone's allowed to call you an asshole, everyone's allowed to stop watching your stuff, everyone's allowed to burn your DVDs, but you shouldn't have to go to court for saying a joke that someone didn't like. And that's what we get dangerously close to. If you don't agree to someone's right to say something you don't agree with, you don't agree with freedom of speech.

Gervais recounts a recent back and forth on Twitter that gets to the nuance and seriousness he says is lacking in contemporary discourse:

I did a tweet a month ago about freedom of speech, quoting Winston Churchill. Someone came back with, "You know he was a white supremacist?" And I wrote back, "Not in that tweet he isn't." It's like if someone did something once that's wrong, everything they did was wrong. You are allowed to have things in common with bad people as long it's not the bad things. I'm a vegetarian and I love dogs, like Hitler. But the only thing I have in common with Hitler are the good bits!

The whole interview is here.

Here's his opening monologue from the 2020 Golden Globes, in which he proactively tells the star-studded audience to "have a laugh at your expense…Remember, they're just jokes. We're all gonna die soon and there's no sequel."

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  1. I’ve never found Ricky Gervais to be particularly funny, more annoying than anything.

    1. Then you two have that in common.

      1. Remember when you made this alt on claims that you were tired of posters attacking other posters. Good times. How quickly masks slip.

        1. The hypocrisy doesn’t even faze Sarcasmic, in fact hypocrisy defines him.

          1. The tone is different than sarc’s, and frankly, WK writes better. That said, I don’t mind sarcasmic, and I flag this smarmy sack of logical fallacies every chance I get.

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            1. Is this censorship?

          2. Took me a minute to figure out what you were talking about, and then I remembered that the Retard Brigade thinks I man a dozen different socks. Sorry to disappoint, but there is only one me. Though an impostor has used my handle and others. I’m thinking it was you. I have just as much proof that you did it that you have that I’m White Knight, which means you’re the sock. So fuck off Tulpa/JesseAz/Nardz/John/Sevo/every other right wing asshole.

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            1. Right back at you buddy. You go fuck yourself too Sarc.

        2. ^- That was Tulpa spoofing my handle.

          1. It’s been almost four weeks since sarasmic and I asked Reason IT to fix the spoofing exploit. Nothing has been done to fix it.

    2. Ricky Gervais always came across to me as an arrogant, self-important jerk with an overly high opinion of his own intellectual prowess…
      But I’m grateful for, and admire, his willingness to stand up for freedom of speech and expression. It’s a hard thing to stand up against today’s fascist zeitgeist.

      1. “Ricky Gervais always came across to me as an arrogant, self-important jerk with an overly high opinion of his own intellectual prowess…”

        Must be like looking in the mirror. Well, except that he’s intelligent, funny and entertaining.

        1. Sure, except for funny and entertaining.

      2. Life did too short to go through without a sense of humor.

        1. Then why are most progs such humorless, uptight, PC assholes?

    3. He’s got nothing on Karl.

      1. Ricki’s genius was giving us a window into Karl’s head.

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  2. Literally hitler.

    1. Especially the vegetarian part. I mean, who is more like Nazis than vegans?

      1. Vegetarians aren’t so bad. Vegans are like crossfit. They make sure everyone knows they are vegan and you need to join.

        1. Vegetarians aren’t so bad. Vegans are like crossfit.

          Willful participants in the ‘mostly peaceful’ vegan protests AFAICT.

        2. A vegan friend of mine even has her dog on a vegan diet. It’s very complicated to keep the dog from developing a nutritional deficiency.

          Movement vegans have psychological issues.

  3. I wonder what Ricky thinks about comedian and Crossfire Hurricane figure Steven Schrage.
    Seems the FBI and various nefarious international figures attempted to Cancel noted Twitter figure Donald Trump by Cancelling some of his subordinates.
    Cancel Culture sure is something

    1. LOCAL NEWS. OLD STORY.

  4. The most scary thing about Cancel Culture is what it will get replaced with. They pulled the pendulum so far over to the far left breaking point, that when it swings back we’ll be in some bizarro land on the right fringes.

    I don’t know what that will be, but I can imagine. We’re now not allowed to like people who the elite woke tell us not to. We have to fire them, deplatform them, cancel them, etch their names off all the obelisks. So what will it be replaced with? Perhaps the new antiwoke elite will demand that we LIKE people they tell us to. That in the name of balance we have to hire the despicable, promote the deplorable, and trumpet their views. It’s a black and white world after all.

    1. Seems more like a circular pendulum, and the Cancel Left has now overlapped with what at least used to be the Puritanical (and Cancel) Right.

      As for forced pretense of liking the officially-approved people and memes, have you ever been to middle school?

      1. The political spectrum isn’t a line, it’s a circle. The authoritarian right and left are more alike than they would ever admit.

        1. Tell us all what steps on the path to ever smaller government and personal liberty lead to enormous government and zero liberty?

          Why do people keep repeating the leftist lie that the extreme right is identical to the STATED GOALS of the extreme left?

    2. I suspect that there will be no swing to the far right, that concept is a shibboleth used to scare people. Much like the ‘righties did this to X’ mythology or ‘X are literally being killed’ mythos. Keeps folks emotionally, not intellectually engaged.

      1. Yeah, takes a metaphor that says, “Things have gone too far.”, imposes a false dichotomy, and deigns it fate.

    3. I have visions of the old Soviet photo manipulation enhanced by a super giphy format to look like Harry Potter animated pictures, informed by real time Twitter analysis, changing as you watch. Text, photos, movies, history books, dictionaries, novels …. all alive and ever-changing, like Hogwarts, eventually making “The Adolescence of P1” seem quaint.

    4. Try interacting with right wingers and see how much extra deference they give to heterodox ideas. They don’t. If anything they’re worse. You literally can’t even believe in science around them without a hissy fit. Try criticizing the president. They don’t invite anyone who disagrees with their cult beliefs onto their shows. It’s an event if they do.

      The core of this complaint is that liberals throw the cool parties and conservatives are jealous. Both sides have a troubling lack of concern for alternative viewpoints.

      1. b0TH siDeS!

        1. That was me being generous. The reason the left seems intolerant of rightwing ideas is because those ideas tend to be unsophisticated drivel we all dealt with when we were having these same conversations at 16 years old.

          Oh you think the problem with black people is fatherless homes. Hot take do you have a newsletter.

          1. Haha. Yeah. White people are terrible.

          2. do you think the proliferation of fatherless homes has been GOOD for the black communities in america? Asking for a friend.

      2. Over/under on Tony actually interacting with anyone on the right enough for him to have experienced this (besides his family of course)?

        1. I live in the Bible Belt. I was raised a Republican. One of my biggest critiques of the left is when they behave as if there is no culture outside of Portland and Brooklyn.

          I take it you don’t want me to consider the actions and words of all the right wingers in political power. Not those embarrassing radicals, they don’t speak for the movement!

          Their method of dealing with discourse is simply to disengage and retreat to their bubbles. The only reason it’s not called cancel culture is because nobody cool wants to hang out with them in the first place.

        2. If there is one thing Tony has demonstrated on these boards, it’s that he does, in fact, engage with people with whom he disagrees. I’m not sure he does with an open mind, but I don’t know that he doesn’t either.

          Why do you make me defend Tony?

          1. Sure Tony.

      3. You literally can’t even believe in science around them without a hissy fit.

        You simply cannot seem to understand this.

        Science is not something to be ‘believed in’, Tony. That is the entirety of the issue.

        You and yours ‘believe in’ science, and you ‘believe’ whatever your chosen priestsexperts tell you to believe.

        Normal people understand that science is a method, a way of understanding and explaining the whos and whats of what IS. We USE science. We don’t ‘believe’ in it.

        You ‘believe’ in a leftist approved narrative of evolution, climatology, astronomy, physics.

        We understand evolutionary theory, climatological theory, astronomical theory, and any number of theoretical physics concepts.

        When it comes to things that can be known, you and yours have opted for faith.

        1. It’s important to distinguish between science and truth.
          Intelligent Design is not science, regardless of whether it is true.
          Science is the study of natural law, not supernatural law. Evolution makes predictions that are falsifiable (eg, that humans share even useless genetic material with related mammals. That a symbiote would eventually be found for long-necked orchids. That a precursor whale fossil with both baleen and teeth should exist.)
          The fact that miracles could also explain these facts does not make Intelligent Design science. (And not being science doesn’t make it false.)

    5. Kinda hoping that it means that people who try to cancel others, who try to legislate others into strict racial, ethnic, and economic groupings that they must be judged by, people who advocate group rights, responsibilities, justice, economics will all be treated to the type of world they claim to want.

      Maybe in some kind of commune, or camp.

      While the rest of us get on with reality.

    6. It will be like this comment section all over the net! I can’t wait to tell slavers you fuck off and not be moderated. Woohoo! Freeeeeeeeedommmmm!

  5. Maybe he doesn’t get it or he’s being funny. But those who want power plan to take it away from you completely. Which is why people rail on reason to not make common cause with them like the so called protestors. If Biden is elected and if they take the senate the new administration is going to hammer the shit out of anyone who disagrees with them. Don’t think you are protected by rights. They want us gone.

  6. Vegetarianism is not one of “the good bits”.

  7. I appreciate the effort. I don’t have the platform to tell more than a couple people at a time to fuck off.

  8. quoting Winston Churchill. Someone came back with, “You know he was a white supremacist?” 

    That’s a new one to me. Although I dont know why I’m surprised

    1. wouldn’t Churchy have been on the other team then?

      1. But, but, he was a… Straight. White. Male. I have seen 0 conclusive evidence of him being any sort of supremacist. However, groupthink & pareidolia, it’s a living for cultish obsessives.

    2. He fought as a British soldier in Africa and killed many African Americans while he was there.

      1. Even worse, he killed rare, white, dutch-speaking Africans.
        Practically a poacher.

      2. He killed African Americans while in Africa? That’s impressive.

        1. I decided that political correctness had driven the media mad when I read an article about Nelson Mandela that referred to him as African American.

          1. Really. I’ve read Alexandre Dumas and Cleopatra called African Americans and with the obvious spelled out the posters would not concede the point. I do like to bring up that Africa is a Greek word and natives of that continent don’t have a word for themselves. Much like “Native Americans” who prefer being named after a Guido (who lucked out in having two continents named after him) rather than Indian.

      3. And a shit-ton of “sullen hillmen” when he served on the Afghan frontier before that. I want to say his, “The Story of the Malakand Field Force : An Episode of Frontier War,” is available freely online. Great insights into the Pashtun, and lowlands dwelling Indians’, cultures and mindset.

      4. Uhhh. He killed Africans in Africa. Not African-Americans.

        1. Whoosh!

    3. He believed the British Empire was a Force For The Good, bringing enlightenment to the third world. He wasn’t a KKK or Nazi white supremacist, so much as “English were first to modernize and it is their duty to enlighten everybody else, and they’ve already done most of Europe and North America”.

      1. The word you’re looking for is Neo-con. I guess now it’s Neo-liberal since Bill Kristol and David Frum have switched sides. You know how you know you’re on the wrong side of an issue? You’re sitting next to Kristol or Frum.

    4. He was a straight white cis-gendered male shitlord. Therefore he was obviously a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, bigot. As are all straight white cis-gendered male shitlords. /woketards

    5. That’s a new one to me. Although I dont know why I’m surprised

      I assumed it was a joke. Like he is/was objectively/categorically a white supremacist. Like “Crispus Attucks, George Washington Carver, and Benedict Arnold? All advanced white culture, all white supremacists. Muammar Quadafi, Jean-Bédel Bokassa, or Charles Taylor? Not white supremacists.”

      1. Where do you put Idi Amin?

        1. Not.

  9. Joe Biden is horrible on free speech.

    1. Which is ironic since he spouts even more bullshit than Trump.

      1. Yes, but he says the establishment’s coordinated, pre-approved lies which are definitely not lies since they’ve been pre-approved by the people making them.

    2. Joe Biden takes others’ speech for free all the time.

  10. The problem is people like Gervais had no problem with the cancel culture until it came for them and they realized being a loyal member of the party wasn’t going to save them. Even now, he doesn’t decry the cancel culture so much as he decries it going after the wrong people. Does anyone reading this believe that Gervais would ever stand up for someone on the right whose views he didn’t like who was being canceled? Fat chance.

    When all this madness blows over, and it will, the left will want to make amends by rehabilitating a few loyal leftists like Gervais and Jimmy Kimmel. Even when this madness ends, the left will never make any effort to undo the canceling of nonleftists. And I can’t see Gervais and his ilk doing anything other than whatever is necessary to get himself and others like him rehabilitated. So, I really couldn’t care less that he is a victim of the cancel culture and I think we would be better off with him not being rehabilitated if doing so is just a cheap way for the left to pretend it is sorry for what it has done while not actually making any amends.

    1. “Even now, he doesn’t decry the cancel culture so much as he decries it going after the wrong people.”

      The fuck? Is this like you saying Reason is because they didn’t do a story about .

      “Does anyone reading this believe that Gervais would ever stand up for someone on the right whose views he didn’t like who was being canceled?”

      Yes. Abso-fucking-lutely. Did you even read what he wrote? Have you watched any of his comedy skits, movies or tv shows? I think you’re speaking from ignorance, especially if you’re lumping him with Jimmy Kimmel.

      1. Alright. I miss the preview button. Let’s try this sentence again.

        “The fuck? Is this like you saying Reason is [insert insult here] because they didn’t do a story about [insert hobby horse here].”

        Because you do that a lot.

      2. Yeah, lumping Gervais with Kimmel just shows ignorance.

        1. No it doesn’t. Gervais isn’t as overtly political but there is nothing that I can see that says that he is anything other than another leftist who thought being a party member in good standing would save him. It didn’t and it never does. Sucks to be him.

          1. Your lumping together shows you know neither very well.

            You can lump apples and oranges together, or lions and tigers, and even apples and lions. They are not good lumpings.

            1. It’s like lumping Johnny Carson and George Carlin together.

              1. Carson much better golfer.

                1. Carlin too stoned. Hippie.

          2. In the UK and the entire rest of the civilized world you get to be in favor of universal healthcare without being called a communist.

            1. And you get to be in favor of speech codes without being called a tyrant. Awesome!

      3. The fuck? Is this like you saying Reason is because they didn’t do a story about .

        Yes, your values and what you think are important and not important are reflected in what you do and do not say. The fact that Gervais was canceled and he is only angry about it happening to him and never bothers to think about the other people it happened to and to speak up for people of all views who have been canceled, shows that he doesn’t really give a shit about the larger issue and just wants back in the good graces of the left.

        Is being this literal some kind of ploy to avoid confronting the truth or are you really so fucking stupid you can’t make deductive conclusions from known facts? My bet is stupid but you never know.

        Yes. Abso-fucking-lutely. Did you even read what he wrote? Have you watched any of his comedy skits, movies or tv shows? I think you’re speaking from ignorance, especially if you’re lumping him with Jimmy Kimmel.

        His comedy routines consisted of talking about how he is a pervert scumbag but really an okay guy because he has daughters that he seems to want to talk about all of the time. Good for him, but I have not seen a single thing about him that would lead me to that conclusion. If you have evidence of him saying otherwise, then link to it and I will concede the point.

        1. You are the one asserting that he would ignore cancel culture attacks against people he agrees with.

          The burden of proof is on you, not me.

        2. >>The fact that Gervais was canceled

          he wasn’t

          1. Is John possibly confusing Gervais with Louis CK?
            I think that might be the case.

            I’m no Gervais fan, don’t really have strong opinions on him either way, but he did bang on cancel culture when he was hosting the Oscar’s.
            So I don’t think it’s a product of him being canceled.

            1. Louis shoulda stuck w/Sara Silverman she was the only one not creeped out about his gig

          2. He doesn’t apologize. That seems to be the key to not getting canceled.
            I’m not a big Gervais fan, but I love how he relentlessly beats on the Hollywood fancy-pants types.

            1. He doesn’t apologize. That seems to be the key to not getting canceled.

              That’s exactly it. The cancel culture has no power other than what is given to them by those who dignify their complaints with apologies. They will never cancel Gervais because he will always tell them to get fucked.

              1. He will be absolutely fine and extremely rich as long as he doesn’t rape anyone and get caught.

                The Aniz Ansari incident is almost universally seen as a low point for cancel culture, and even that had to do with behavior rather than speech.

    2. Gervais had no problem with the cancel culture until it came for them

      Wrong.

    3. Yeah, John, I think you need to look a little deeper here. You seem to have ideas in your mind about Gervais that are not true. He’s pretty consistently been all about annoying well-behaved leftists.

      1. He annoys everyone. Which is why I like him. Gervais that is. I used to like John, but not anymore.

        1. There is only so much of Gervais that I can take, but he is certainly very talented in his way.

    4. Nobody on the right deserves to be defended because their ideas are all monstrous. The first amendment is a luxury they should appreciate having at all. People who do almost nothing else but spread lies are far worse for discourse than any overemotional college student.

      1. The first amendment is a luxury they should appreciate having at all.

        No. The first amendment is a fundamental human right.

        1. It’s actually just a specific law in one country.

          1. Ahhh, there’s the inner fascist coming out in our lil buddy.

            1. It’s fascist to state a plain fact?

              Hey I used to consider separation of church and state to be vital to human freedom, but meanwhile I got Christians trying to fuck my shit up every day and in countries like the UK with an official state religion, everyone is secular and chill.

              1. Ah yes, if there’s one thing we can give the UK credit for it’s religious harmony.

                Do you actively ignore history or is it just an accident?

                1. The US was no picnic in the 15th century.

              2. Everything is so terrible and unfair!

                1. Do your knees ever hurt after so many endless hours defending any and every redistribution of wealth upward?

              3. What happened?

                Did someone not want to bake you a cake?

                Does your health insurance not cover your birth control?

          2. It’s actually just a specific law in one country.

            So let me ask you this, even though you’ve been dodging this question for a good decade now – do you believe there is any such thing as fundamental human rights (while not thinking freedom of speech is one of them), or do you simply not believe in fundamental human rights?

            If the latter, why the constant pissing and moaning about people supposedly not having healthcare?

            1. Define fundamental. Do I think any such thing as rights would exist in the absence of human beings? Of course not. We made them all up, and they actually don’t exist without government goons available to enforce them (except as a proposition).

              So when I talk about healthcare, I prefer to say people should have a right to healthcare, because instituting that right would be good for humans, not to mention it would give Americans a right enjoyed by every other member of the human species living in a wealthy country. People don’t have rights they don’t have. If you want government to institute a right to, say, buy and sell ivory, petition away. Democracy means you get to do that.

              1. “…We made them all up, and they actually don’t exist without government goons available to enforce them (except as a proposition)…”

                As a fucking lefty ignoramus, you assume that discovering something is ‘making it up’: Hint, Newton didn’t ‘make up’ gravity.
                But you’re sort of right regarding government goons; we need them to protect us from lefty thugs like you. Or you’d simply get shot.

                1. So you believe that human rights existed before humans existed.

                  1. No ‘human’ rights.

                    The phrase ‘human rights’ was invented by leftists so that they’d have a counteroffer to the US bill of rights.

                    The US bill of rights is, for the most part, based in what’s called ‘natural rights’ and refers to behaviors and ideas that living things–ALL of them– tend to do when left to themselves. Other ‘rights’ are specific limitations designed to stop infringements on those natural rights.

                  2. Human rights exist because of our nature. We are intelligent apes, not intelligent bees.
                    Governments can choose to enforce these rights or not, but suffering is the inevitable consequence of not.

              2. Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement. You’re reducing their existence to government enforcement, which doesn’t make sense in the common usage of the word.

                When people say “I have a right to healthcare,” they’re not making a statement about their current government. When people say “my body my choice”, they’re not making a claim on the current state of abortion law. When people say “slaves have a right to be free”, they’re not saying that slavery doesn’t exist. In fact, they’re usually saying the opposite: that these rights are at risk of being violated in some way. They still “exist” as well as any abstract principle can “exist” (they’re not rocks).

                I don’t see the point in reducing the concept of rights to explicit legalism except to encourage everyone to elevate democracy above their own principles. Frankly, having read about democracy for a long time, I’m not impressed. Hell, Socrates said slavery was wrong thousands of years ago. How long did it take governments to figure that out? Democracy simply sin’t good enough to give them ownership of “rights”, i.e., our social and ethical principles of freedom or entitlement, to the exclusion of people like Socrates who are right when it’s wrong.

                If you want to say “might makes right”, you can do that without having to redefine words to make everyone else’s principles conveniently go away. Frankly, that’s a word view that hasn’t worked out to well for people as a principle, because of the willingness to justify violence to impose one-size-fits-all answers to complex, controversial social problems. Then people wonder why others don’t seem like nice people all the time. Perhaps it’s because of all the ways society tells them their moral and ethical principles don’t matter?

            2. But if by fundamental you are referring to rights that are specified in the constitution and thus have a much higher barrier to amendment, sure, I like that idea. Without certain rights like speech and assembly and the right to vote, the democracy part is put at risk. I understand many libertarians are skeptical of democracy itself, which is more fundamentally assumed in our system even than a right to free speech.

          3. What part of the Bill of RIGHTS did you miss?

          4. Which tells the government not to fuck with a fundamental human right.

            1. I don’t know why the hell my comment ended up down here.

      2. Dude, go outside, take a walk, and for fifteen minutes try not to let the one-dimensional caricatures who live inside your head get the best of your emotions. Bonus: If you remember to wear your mask, it may help you stop hyperventilating.

        1. (That was for Tony.)

        2. Nah I think I’ll go ahead and express my opinion that the entire rightwing being taken over by propaganda and lies is actually worse for public discourse than anything some kids in some college socialist society did once.

          1. the entire rightwing being taken over by propaganda and lies is actually worse for public discourse than anything some kids in some college socialist society did once

            So we’re going with the one-dimensional caricatures who live inside your head. Got it.

            1. I’m just as surprised as you are. We could have known that state propaganda was so powerful given the abundance of examples, but you never think it’s gonna happen here.

          2. “Nah I think I’ll go ahead and express my opinion that the entire rightwing being taken over by propaganda and lies is actually worse for public discourse than anything some kids in some college socialist society did once.”

            That’s because you’re a fucking lefty ignoramus.

      3. “”Nobody on the right deserves to be defended because their ideas are all monstrous. “”

        I assume you have never heard of the generalization fallacy. That’s two in one sentence.

        1. It can be true once you introduce the element of self-selection. “Your ideas are logical and based on empirical facts? Get out!”

          1. Now I’m convinced you have never heard of the fallacy.

            And perhaps, any other fallacy.

          2. Only the sith deal in absolutes

            1. Hee hee. Thank you.

          3. Do you remember in school, how on multiple choice tests it’s extremely rare that the absolutes “all, never, always, etc.” were the correct answer? That’s what Vic is getting at.

            1. Okay, the American rightwing has some broadly good ideas on foreign policy, if you squint real hard and ignore the warmongers and genociders among them.

              By all means tell me one of their other good ideas that an economic progressive would buy.

              1. “…By all means tell me one of their other good ideas that an economic progressive would buy.”

                Why would an intelligent person care what a proggy cares about econ?

                1. Oh I dunno the fact that our ideas created the modern world as we know it and will continue to completely rout your ideas in terms of achieving anything in the real world?

                  1. Tony, I admire your fighting spirit.

                    If “you” are a “leftist,” and “your ideas created the modern world,” then, the world full of strife, racism and death, with technology on top, that world? Then perhaps “you” and “your ideas” can or should answer for some of the eeeeevil?

                    If “your ideas” created systemic racism, then they’re coming for you eventually, unless you can distract them, maybe by pointing at the other side of the aisle?

                    1. For what it’s worth, I know that’s not what you meant. You meant lefties thought up rights, voting, better farms and medicine, while the righties thought up war machines, cruelty, and a violent God.

                    2. But lefties DID create racial strife, class strife and systems that seem to have no other function other than to allow an elite to oppress, enslave and kill as many people as pleases that elite.

              2. “Economic progressive”?

                Just say looter, dude.

      4. Haha. There it is. Feel the hate.

      5. “I have a RIGHT to have the government force other people to pay for my basic needs!”

        No, you don’t.

        “Monstrous”!

        Haha.

    5. “The problem is people like Gervais had no problem with the cancel culture until it came for them and they realized being a loyal member of the party wasn’t going to save them”

      You make a retarded post along these lines on practically every article here. You haven’t read an article on Reason denouncing X therefore Reason supports X. You haven’t heard some public figure denouncing Y so they must support Y.

    6. No to pile on, but Gervais has been against Cancel culture for a long time (as have Jerry Seinfeld and a few other comedians).

      It boggles my mind though that one of the hosts of The Man Show was able to spin his image to become a darling of the left and not get #Metoo’d.

      1. It boggles my mind though that one of the hosts of The Man Show was able to spin his image to become a darling of the left and not get #Metoo’d.

        This mystifies me, too. I imagine he must live in constant fear.

        1. Since Carolla hasn’t been cancelled either, I suspect they have maps. Lots of maps. To, shall we say, final resting places.

          1. Corrola’s in a niche. And he’s actually funny, sooooo……

            1. Being funny isn’t a saving grace. Niche is probably a net negative for avoiding cancelling.

  11. Turning off your own tv is voting with your wallet. Convincing others to turn off their tvs is boycotting. Threatening the advertisers to pull funding for shows you don’t like so that others can’t watch is Cancel Culture. The key to cancel culture is taking away other people’s choices.

    1. I agree with your breakdown. Even the Cancel Culture response is a market response, though. It’s not coerced. It’s an area that doesn’t fit neatly into libertarian ideology, unfortunately.

      I think we have to convince people that Cancel Culture is inconsistent with the idea that more, freer speech is always better. Notice I didn’t say freedom of speech.

      We can learn from the way that Chik-fil-A and Hobby Lobby avoided cancel. In that case religious people rallied around those causes. We have to rally around speakers who are unjustly canceled as proponents of free speech.

      1. Telling someone that you are going to hound them until they go out of business/lose their job/ruin their lives is absolutely coercion.

        Totally agree with the rest of your post.

        1. It’s not coercion that dries up ad money. Advertisers are making a value decision here… do I make more money from supporting this show/actor than the backlash from people not buying my product because I supported this show/actor.

    2. Cancel Culture is called tortious interference in legal circles.

      1. Slander, backmail, intimidation, extortion… it really has a lot of thumbs in a lot of pies.

        1. I hope they got consent before sticking their thumb in there, wouldn’t want to get canceled.

  12. I didn’t even know who Ricky Gervais was until his monologue from the Golden Globes was splashed all over Facebook.

    My first thought upon watching it was “the left would be a lot more fun if it had more people like him”.

  13. I like the framing done by contrapoints. You go from the specific infraction and an automatic presumption of guilt (the person said a racist thing) to abstraction (the person says racist things) to essentialism (the person is a racist). It’s not a good look and I hope we stop treating other people badly.

    On the other hand it would be remiss not to point out the irony, practically a meme in and of itself now, that there’s an entire industry of largely stand-up comics whining about being canceled. Like dude you have a Netflix special. Ricky worries about people being hauled to court. Well maybe in Britain, but until it happens it’s actually just people engaged in conversation and, occasionally, a business making a business decision. Neither of these is required to be rational.

    1. there’s an entire industry of largely stand-up comics whining about being canceled

      Except, of course, for those ones you never hear about because they can’t get gigs anymore.

      And don’t even think about YA authors. JK Rowling is fine, right?

      1. One of the world’s richest people with any book deal she ever could want is not being canceled.

        1. One of the world’s richest people with any book deal she ever could want is not being canceled.

          The point I was getting at – you missed it, but you made it for me, and for that I thank you.

      2. And I’d suggest that whining about cancel culture is such a hot ticket right now that you might increase your chances of getting a Netflix special.

        1. Name the person who got a special who wasn’t already famous.

          1. You have to be at a certain level to get a special, but lots of them I haven’t heard of before, especially the foreigners who are famous at home but this is their first international exposure.

    2. I do like countrapoints, though, with the exception that I think she thinks fetishizing Marxism makes her seem intellectual, when it actually makes her seem lazy. She’s much better when she’s not trying to talk economics.

    3. Sarah Silverman lost a movie role because she did blackface once.

      It’s not all old white men.

      1. And the casting couch was such a place of fairness and progress until now.

    4. Gods above, Tony, if you stopped doing this–

      You go from the specific infraction and an automatic presumption of guilt (the person said a racist thing) to abstraction (the person says racist things) to essentialism (the person is a racist). It’s not a good look and I hope we stop treating other people badly.

      you’d be completely silent.

  14. Standby for the Harris is Biden’s running mate thread!!!!!!

    1. Yikes. Bad for Democrats, great for comedy.

    2. Where is Barfman when you need him?

  15. Progressives don’t have a sense of humor anymore. By the time they’re done, laughter will be fully replaced by clapter.

    1. Progressives don’t have a sense of humor anymore.

      Anymore?

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  17. Hitler was pretty ahead of his time in his anti-smoking stance. Whether this is good or bad Hitler, history will tell. Hitler was also surprisingly supportive of women, at least up until the war and the destruction of Jews took up all his time and energy. Hitler always had three main interests: music, architecture and film. Winifred Wagner ran the Bayreuth festival under Hitler, Winifred’s friend, Gerdy Troost, designer of the Reich’s most sacred buildings, was the only architect Hitler deferred to, and we’re all familiar with Leni Riefenstahl who made the most significant films of the period.

    You have to admit the special place of women in areas that were of such importance to Hitler is counter intuitive.

    1. “…Winifred’s friend, Gerdy Troost, designer of the Reich’s most sacred buildings, was the only architect Hitler deferred to…”

      Albert Speer would disagree, as would most anyone familiar with Hitler.

      1. “Albert Speer would disagree”

        But he was more and more the bureaucrat and functionary and less and less an architect from the mid to late 30’s and on. Troost was first and foremost an architect from beginning to end.

  18. “…Most of you spent less time in school than Greta Thunberg.””

    Cold!

  19. Lots of uncomfortable people in that room who have no sense of humor, even the so-called comedians.

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  21. Our country needs more voices like Gervais. We need someone from the UK to speak truth because it’s clear the Democrats and Republicans have lost the ability to speak truthfully. They’ve given themselves over completely to deceit.

    1. More comedy. Less ‘voices’.

      To me is to comedy what the Guess Who was to classic rock.

  22. He didn’t ‘liken’ himself to Hitler. It’s called appeal to extremes or logical extreme — look into it. Another classic ‘reason’ fail.

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