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Justice Department Reportedly Asks Congress for Indefinite Detention Powers To Fight Coronavirus

Congress should loudly and unanimously reject this insanity.

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The Justice Department is using the COVID-19 outbreak to press for sweeping new powers that include being able to detain Americans indefinitely without a trial, Politico reports.

The department is asking Congress to allow the U.S. attorney general to ask courts to suspend court proceedings. These include "any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings," reports Betsy Woodruff Swan, citing DOJ documents presented to Congress.

In other words, the Justice Department would be able to postpone trials, hearings, and other procedural steps that follow arrest. That represents a potentially huge violation of the constitutional right to a speedy trial.

Those powers would apply "whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation," Woodruff Swan writes, and would remain in place for "one year following the end of the national emergency."

Perhaps the Justice Department is attempting to find out whether there are any libertarians in a pandemic. The right to see a judge and seek release from detention after an arrest—known in legal lingo as habeas corpus—is one of the fundamental building blocks of a democratic society, one in which the state cannot deprive individuals of their freedom without due process. The times in American history when that right has been suspended or circumvented are some of the darkest. We should not be seeking to repeat them.

"The DOJ proposal is deeply troubling and would raise a whole host of constitutional concerns," says Scott Bullock, president and general counsel for the Institute for Justice, a libertarian law firm. "History demonstrates again and again that governments use a crisis to expand power and violate vital constitutional principles. And when the supposed emergency is over, the expanded powers often become permanent."

Clark Neily, vice president for criminal justice at the Cato Institute, says the Justice Department should not be trusted with more expansive powers.

"If history is any indication, it's a near certainty that these powers will be abused and that DOJ will try to hide those abuses when they occur," says Neily. "This is simply not an agency that has earned the kind of trust implied by these requests for increased authority and discretion."

It's also unclear how allowing indefinite detention would help fight the coronavirus outbreak. It seems more likely that the DOJ is learning from members of Congress and the president that the crisis provides a convenient excuse to ask for things it already wanted in the first place.

"Congress must loudly reply 'NO,'" wrote Rep. Justin Amash on Twitter.

If you think that those powers, once granted by Congress, would be used only in temporary or emergency situations—well, I have a 2001 Authorization on the Use of Military Force to sell you.

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    1. This is horrible if true, but Politico who’s the source of this story has lied and twisted shit in recent years so badly that they are now pretty much Pravda.

      Boehm doesn’t provide any links to or quotes from the DOJ documents themselves, so I clicked the link to the Politico story, and they didn’t have anything either.
      There are a few quotes scattered about that say absolutely nothing but are there to pad the authors assumptions; “whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation.” then “any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings” and finally “in a consistent manner.”

      That’s it.

      And I’m sorry, but after Politico has spent the last four years publishing pure horseshit and lie after lie, I’m not going to trust them without available documentation first.
      I suspect that they’re lying yet again.

      1. A few of Politico’s greatest hits:
        The Steele dossier
        Don Jr. emails
        Trump said neo-Nazis were “fine people”
        MAGA madmen lynched Smollet
        Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress

        Why any of you would believe that an outfit who spent 4 years peddling the Russia hoax, doxxing random meme makers, harassing grandmothers, defaming Catholic teenagers, lying about Kavanaugh, and claiming a dead Iranian terrorist meant Armageddon magically started telling you the truth here?

      2. Hey Mamma! Read this from the article…

        ‘Those powers would apply “whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation,” …’

        Notice that “civil disobedience” is included!!!

        Therefor, I am WARNING YE, do NOT engage in said “civil disobedience” by building for yourself, or using, in ANY unauthorized manner, ANY cheap plastic flutes!!! If’n ye love Government Almighty ANYWHERE NEAR as much as ye say that ye do! STAY SAFE in these dangerous days!!!

        To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!

        1. Shitty reading comprehension on your part, Sqrls.

          The Politico ‘journalist’ added “Those powers would apply”. That’s not part of the actual quote from the document.
          We actually don’t know what the hell “whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation” is referring to, but you can bet if it was actually referring to powers, Politico would’ve included it.

          Don’t you see how nauseatingly dishonest this all is?

        2. Flagged as spam.

          1. I quiver in fear! Failed effort! Now if you are so inclined as to do something USEFUL for once, go get us some “lung flute” freedom! North Koreans have more “lung flute” freedoms than we do! Can you set us FREE, Shitsy Shitler!?!?

            1. Commit suicide and set yourself free. It will be the most libertarian thing that you will ever do.

              1. Shitsy… WORSE than a child molestor!

                Would you rather have your child sexually molested, or egged on into suicide? If you get an honest answer, they will answer, “suicide is the worst option of all”!
                Hey Shitsy… YOU EVIL SATAN-PENIS-SUCKING DARK-SOULED ASSHOLE!!! ARE YOU PROUD OF YOUR PRO-SUICIDE SATAN BUTT-SUCKING WAYS?!?!?
                How many kids you gotten to kill themselves lately, asshole? ANY of them made you happy yet?

                1. My kid isn’t a valueless drag on society. So she should not , and will not be killing herself. Don’t ever compare yourself to your betters.

                  Which is everyone who isn’t you.

      3. Right you are.

        Has the Commentariat here gone bonkers? The #EnemyOfThePeople lie and spin 24/7.

        I’ll reserve any outrage until the #EnemyOfThePeople produces actual documents and language, not simply more #OrangeManBad hysteria.

        1. #OrangeManBad hysteria?!?!

          Orange Man bad?!? He BAD, all right! He SOOO BAD, He be GOOD! He be GREAT! He Make America Great Again!

          We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Pussy Grabber in Chief!

          See The Atlantic article by using the below search-string in quotes:
          “The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet” or this one…

          https://reason.com/2019/09/02/republicans-choose-trumpism-over-property-rights-and-the-rule-of-law/

          He pussy-grab His creditors in 7 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!

          All Hail to THE Pussy Grabber in Chief!!!

          Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!

          Orange Man Bad-Ass Pussy-Grabber all right!

          1. When the coronavirus dies down, seek medical help for your TDS.

            1. Too late. Those brain lesions are irreversible.

      4. Remember, Politico was started as a tongue-bath for obama.

      5. this is only politician not for care of human being totally shit

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    2. In other words, Barr wants to eliminate DUE PROCESS.

      1. I doubt this article is true. Boehm is frequently full of shit, and I’ve not seen this elsewhere.

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    3. Leave the Constitution as is changing one thing changes everything

  1. We’re at war against a foreign invader and it’s common to suspend certain parts of the Constitution during wartime, the Constitution is not a suicide pact, after all. Abraham Lincoln suspended habeus corpus, didn’t he? If the courts aren’t functioning properly, that’s certainly not the government’s fault is it? Why should they be penalized for not being able to do their jobs properly? Why do you hate America?

    1. Indeed, if you really love America, you’ll be proactive and turn yourself in NOW.

    2. 1) No, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. It is a statement of our greatest hopes, and is worth dying for.

      2) Lincoln suspending habeus corpus is one of the reasons that I must list him as one of the worst Presidents we have had.

      3) If the courts are not functioning properly, then a presumption of innocence means you must release suspects immediately.

      Go ahead, start the retorts.

      1. Lincoln was a Republican, so it’s just continuing a fine family tradition.

        1. Indeed comrade, indeed.

      2. Do you even sarcasm bro?

    3. Lincoln was an asshole who believed in a strong central government. Why on earth would you hold him up as some example to follow?

      1. Check your sarc meter

        1. It’s hard to tell if it’s sarcasm since Trumpkins are known for supporting ANYTHING Dear Leaser does.

        2. It’s hard to tell if it’s sarcasm since Trumpkins are known for supporting ANYTHING Dear Leader does.

          1. A comment so stupid you had to say it twice.

            1. He really is a stupid piece of shit. Probably another sock of AmSoc’s.

              1. It’s not like Trumpkins commenting here don’t support other unlibertarian shit Trump does, like his trade war and his unfunded tax cuts.

              2. Shithead.

              3. I doubt he’s a sock. He’s too dumb for that. He just heard about von Mises and Friedman’s position on one issue and then hammers that over and over again to virtue signal. He doesn’t actually understand the issue, he’s basically just a parrot.

                When he doesn’t have tariffs to squawk about, he’s just bitching about “Trumpkins” and calling people stupid.

    4. Spotted the fascist.

      1. Put a mirror back in the house huh. Tell us how raising taxes is libertarian again.

        1. Says the guy who supports raising tariffs. Lol.

          1. Where did I support raising tariffs dumbfuck? I have no issue with targeted retaliatory tariffs since um not a simpleton. Adam Smith also had no problem with them.

            You literally advocated for raising taxes to match spending no matter the spending.

            1. Trump raised tariffs on China, dumb fuck. That’s RAISING TARIFFS. Von Mises and Friedman opposed reretaliatory tariffs, retard.

              1. And they were wrong. Just like you usually are.

                1. They were right. BTW, Trump just banned “hoarding” and “price gouging.” Most libertarian president ever! Lol.

  2. With all due respect, Mr. Barr…F off. When you get there F off some more. Keeping F-ing off until you get back here. Then F off again.

    1. This is Reason.

      We can say “fuck” here.

      1. Yeh. It’s not fucken AMC who censor fucking Goodfellas.

        All this parental guidance bull shit is fucken lame.

        If you can’t respect the film as is then don’t fucken show it. Or at least after 10pm when all the snowflakes are in fucken bed show the movie uncensored.

        Ghost of fucken Tipper Gore.

        1. That’s no shit.

          1. A wise old salt once told me the difference between fairy tales and sea stories. “Fairy tales,” he said wisely, “begin with ‘Once upon a time’. Sea stories begin with,” and he lowered has head conspiratorialy and looked around, “begin with ‘Now this is no shit.'”

        2. Or like when PAX TV aired ‘Sopranos’ reruns.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qqE7ZxH7BJE

  3. Where are all the folks who scream about price gouging when this kind of stuff arises?

    1. That’s the doings of the evil Capitalists.

      They get all woozy and wet when the big strong government man makes statist pillow talk.

  4. “The times in American history when that right has been suspended or circumvented are some of the darkest. We should not be seeking to repeat them.”

    So those rights were reinstated then? Your last paragraph indicates they would not and conflates the AUMF with habeas corpus. That is some sloppy logic.

  5. All this, over a cold. We are truly fucked.

    1. Well stated, short and to the point… And WAAAY sadly, WAY too true!!!

    2. Zero evidence presented in Boehm’s story or the Politico story that this ever happened.

      1. Yeah, but let’s not kid ourselves–even if it is bullshit, for now at least, you know there have to be a ton of feds looking at what the states are getting away with and licking their chops at the prospect of doing the same thing.

        Guarantee if a Democrat gets back in office and does something like this, the press will have nothing but praise for it.

  6. Hmmm…habeas corpus literally suggests that the prisoner is brought physically into court. How will they deal with that? Put the guy in a hazmat suit?

  7. Most libertarian administration ever?

    1. Yes, it is. Did you have a point?

      1. Not if there’s any truth to this article it’s not. Habeus corpus is a pillar of a free society.

        1. Since there is no evidence of these claims presented in this article or the Politico article it repeated, odds are there is no truth at all to this article.

          Just more treason from Reason.

        2. That’s a mighty big if. But your first comment already attributed it to the administration as fact.

    2. Moldbug was right. It’s a one party system.

  8. JFree’s creaming his pants.

    1. Front or back?

      1. Yes.

    2. You are the dumbest most dishonest sack of pus on the planet. This is beyond stupid by DoJ. It has NOTHING to do with fighting a virus. It has NOTHING to do with public health. It is YOUR dingleberry-munching Prez administration making yet another stupid decision in a line of what are still generally stupid decisions and taking their attention off of what is important as a mere excuse to dust off aggrandizing power for themselves.

      And further — YOU are the one defending this action by calling this administration ‘libertarian’ above – as your only other comment in this thread.

      1. There is nothing in a pandemic – not one damn thing – that requires expanding the scope of what a ‘state of emergency’ is.

        But this administration – having failed to pay attention to a pandemic – is simply exercising the authoritarian jerk knee so beloved by R’s – and many establishment D’s.

        This proposal is truly what may be the realignment of politics from the old DeRp to something new. So I guess in that since its good since it forces people to stand on one side or the other.

        1. JFree
          March.21.2020 at 10:09 pm
          “There is nothing in a pandemic – not one damn thing – that requires expanding the scope of what a ‘state of emergency’ is…”

          This from the pathetic piece of lefty shit who has been waving the *PANIC! PANIC! PANIC* flag for the last couple of weeks,
          I know full well that you are not Hihn, but like him, you could make the world a better place by fucking off and dying.

          1. How’s your 201k been doing?

      2. JFree
        March.21.2020 at 9:57 pm
        “You are the dumbest most dishonest sack of pus on the planet…”

        Poor, poor JFree, caught one more time waving that PANIC *PANNIC*!!! flag and claiming it really isn’t a panic.
        When you jam it up your ass, does it feel better since you claim otherwise, you pathetic piece of lefty shit?

        1. So then, Sevo, in summary, you are saying, it should NOT be a panic at ALL? Make fun of people for panicing about it, so it SHOULD be a NON-panic then, right?

          But the feds are JUSTIFIED in gathering MORE powers, over that which does NOT deserve a panic? Let’s give the feds vast powers, for non-panic purposes, then, you advocate? And THIS is “libertarian”?

      3. Not sure how you can say it has nothing to do with fighting the virus when you are clamoring for everyone to live a hermetic lifestyle. Court rooms tend to have a lot of people.

        1. Your comment is a hint as to how you and the rest are going to spin this if it’s true:

          “If this is truly the national emergency that the liberals say it is, then the administration is just doing its job by forcing social isolation! Not Trump’s fault!!!”

        2. So you think it’s important to lower the curve so we can preserve the machinery of the highest imprisonment rate in the world – by far? In order to INCREASE it?

          Heck of a ‘libertarian’ philosophy you got there in the R’s

          I have not advocated for any policy other than two – a militia/reserve service system and public health/prevention (and cost-reduction) reform of our medical system. Which we needed in place long ago and which I’ve previously been blasted for as ‘not libertarian’.

          For the last few weeks, I have merely calc’d the data stuff re this virus and pointed out which countries are doing stuff that works and which aren’t. Denial – BTW – failed didn’t it. Now we get to see how authoritarian the panic of you denialists and your Dear Leader gets.

  9. The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
    —Article I, Section 9, Clause 2

    Under what legal theory would this requested suspension of habeas corpus proceed? We aren’t in the midst of a rebellion, nor are we being invaded by a foreign power. Surely the courts would slap this down as flagrantly unconstitutional.

    1. I don’t think the Justice Department could reasonably argue that the emphasis of the clause is on “when . . . the public Safety may require it” and that “in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion” were included by the Framers purely as illustrative examples—could it?

      1. If there is any truth to this and the DOJ gets their way and incites a rebellion through their unconstitutional actions, does the suspension of habeas corpus become constitutional?

    2. Absolutely.
      Just like they have for all the “infringements”.
      Just like they did for asset forfeiture.
      Etc
      Etc

    3. Why do you think Trump is calling it a ‘Chinese virus’?

      1. Because it came from china. Just like spanish flu, Ebola, lyme disease, etc.

        1. JesseAz
          March.22.2020 at 1:22 pm
          Because it came from china. Just like spanish flu, Ebola, lyme disease, etc. (End import)

          Spanish flu came from China?!?! WTF!?!?!

          Spanish flu came from AMERICA!!! It should have been named American Flu! (As being equally plausible at least).

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
          Historian Alfred W. Crosby stated in 2003 that the flu originated in Kansas,[21] and popular author John Barry described Haskell County, Kansas, as the point of origin in his 2004 article.[11] It has also been stated by historian Santiago Mata in 2017 that, by late 1917, there had already been a first wave of the epidemic in at least 14 US military camps.[22]

      2. Or did you not know this is a fairly standard practice to name pandemics based on originations?

        1. But ask yourself why it’s so important to specifically name it Chinese. To what purpose does that serve?

          1. Uh, what was he supposed to name it? The American virus?

            1. Why not just call it what everyone else is calling it (Coronavirus or COVID-19)? I suspect you know the answer, but feel free to continue playing dumb.

              1. And feel free to continue being a whiney crybaby unfit for a world that calls people nasty things all the FUCKING time.

                Chinese Virus is here to stay, if only to push all the insane True Believers in microaggressions to insanely propelling themselves off cliffs.

                1. Not triggered, nor do I give two shits about feelz or anything else you want to proscribe to me. I just don’t understand why it’s so important for you conservatives to keep being up China as some kind of scapegoat. This was going to spread no matter what anyone did. Since you all can’t seem to answer the question, my guess is that you’re trying to protect Trump from getting blamed.

          2. One reason might be because most likely it was transmitted from bat to human in China, possibly due to relatively primitive or even unhygienic practices in China.

            A second, more actionable reason is because the information needed to slow and limit its spread and build remedies was suppressed, including by harming medical people, by the local and national government people and system of China.

            Trump inexplicably touts his great relationship with the leader and the government, so he limits his credibility at speaking directly against the government and the system that’s the problem. Making up this label and making it stick, the way he does as marketing against opponents, gives him an end-around to still forcefully focus attention on this highly-consequential problem.

            1. CDC has for decades had someone embedded in the Chinese CDC – training with them, creating relationships, going out with them to the scene of new outbreaks, etc. Similar to the military-military exchanges we have with countries. That job was eliminated last Jul – by the US not China – as part of our pissing trade war with China. That job was never replaced. Which means all those contacts with field people in Chinese CDC also vanished. It is usually those field people from CDC, WHO, RKI, ECDC, etc who provide a channel for people to whistleblow.

              I was wondering why CDC was so publicly desperate to send a large high-level group over there in early Jan. I thought it was some pissing contest with WHO. Turns out – nope. We just shot our eyes-on-the-ground – and that is why we were flying blind. Trump won’t get blamed for this. But he should.

  10. “…and would remain in place for one year following the end of the national emergency.”

    Translation: “…and would remain in place long enough for the government to manufacture another emergency.” Lather, rinse, repeat.

  11. The power of indefinite detention is likely reserved for individuals who test positive. A few weeks ago an infected person defied quarantine orders and went outside and apparently went missing. Cops are already making arrests on people who defy quarantines.

    Courts are closing down in some states already. The police declared their intention to scale back on making arrests. If that’s legal, then that means due process isn’t “essential” in a pandemic. Everything can be pushed back and delayed.

    The libertarian solution is the least restrictive means to address a pandemic. Most of us in 40-45 states should be working and travelling while observing precautions, while the elderly sick should be quarantined. An immediate lockdown on travel at the initial wave is not libertarian but a right thing to do. Foreigners do not have a constitutional right to arrive on our territory.

    Reason sort of timidly asks “Does the state government have the right to shut down their economy” but during the impeachment they characterized some of Trump’s actions as “not a question of if he could, but if he should”. So far only two writers came out in force against the current containment strategy.

    Where is the sense of urgency that we saw during impeachment and Obamacare saga? Is morale down here because the corona virus put a serious cramp on open borders society?

    1. Courts are closing down in some states already. The police declared their intention to scale back on making arrests. If that’s legal, then that means due process isn’t “essential” in a pandemic. Everything can be pushed back and delayed.

      And if that is the case then states themselves will have to defend their actions under their own states of emergency or under some carveout to the suspension clause or under ‘sometimes better to ask forgiveness rather than permission’.

      But for the feds to do this – for something that is very clearly a LOCAL threat not a threat to the integrity of the US – is obscene. Yet ANOTHER effing reason why we should have kept a militia – and this time it does involve guns.

      1. Are you saying that habeas corpus doesnt apply to the states? Umm…

        1. So you are incapable of reading closely for comprehension? Try again.

    2. The power of indefinite detention is likely reserved for individuals who test positive.

      Nothing in the quote suggests a “power of indefinite detention”; that’s pure fabrication on the part of these “journalists”, likely because they didn’t understand the big words in whatever unnamed document they based this drivel on.

  12. Zero evidence offered in the Politico story that the proposal was ever made. They don’t even name the DOJ “spokesman” who refused comment. And there is no other reporting on this story except for people who link to either the unsubstantiated Politico story or this story based on the unsubstantiated Politico story.

    I’ll say it…the story from Politico is probably a lie, and when it turns out to be a lie. Reason should fire Evan Boehm for being a gullible incompetent who did no independent verification of his own before running this piece. That’s what happens when you pay blogger-level rates; you get low-level blogger talent.

    1. Just FYI, Politico was one of the American media outlets who got caught pushing Chinese communist party talking points during the Hong Kong protests.

      Wouldn’t be shocking if they’re doing it here too.

    2. Eric Boehm is a reporter for Reason. He lives in Arlington, Virginia, but will never consider himself a southerner.

      […]

      When he steps away from the computer, he enjoys drinking craft beer and good gin, cheering for an eclectic mix of favorite sports teams (mostly based in Philadelphia), updating his list of TV shows he intended to watch but never did, reading and traveling to new places. He was once featured in a Buzzfeed listicle about the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

      Honestly, sounds like a pasty Millennial cliche and a boring dude overall.

      1. His bio doesn’t even list what degree he has, and that’s normally standard for reporter bios.

        Based on the quality of his output, it didn’t involve critical thinking,

      2. He was once featured in a Buzzfeed listicle about the 2008 Democratic National Convention

        And he considers this a selling point for himself?

        When this turns out to be bunk, the fact that pushed unsubstantiated conspiracy theory as fact in a headline story for Reason should caveat every article he writes from here on out. Actually, Reason should just fire him when it turns out he was wrong. He clearly just regurgitated the Politico story.

        1. How you gonna spin it if it turns out to be true?

          1. Eric it a scooper. Of poop, clearly.

            Boehm…eric are full of shit and stupid as a stump.

            I would never give this rag money to pay those dipshits. Clearly advertisers are doing so less and less. Learn to code you fucking haxks.

          2. I won’t have to, because it isn’t true. But if you’re *that* Eric, I look forward to your published retraction when this turns out to be yet another Politico nothingburger.

            That’s what a responsible journalist would do.

  13. Trump and Barr want to use the coronavirus pandemic as their Reichstag Fire to suspend civil liberties and establish a dictatorship.

    1. The only hole in this interesting theory is Hitler planned the Reichstag Fire. The U.S. didn’t start this one.

      I could be wrong.

    2. You misspelled Gavin Newsom and Andrew Cuomo.

      1. Cuomo has been pretty good though.

        1. He changed his mind.

      2. At least Newsom won’t be reelected now. Voters won’t forget this assault on their livelihoods.

        1. It’s cute that you believe California’s elections are in the least bit legitimate.

      3. the maniac running Pennsylvania on the coattails.

    3. Tom Wolf is wiping his brow in relief that you left his name out of this.

    4. Trump’s drooling romances with the world’s worst dictators were strong and repeated hints.

      Authority has always attracted the lowest elements in the human race. All through history, mankind has been bullied by scum.
      ~ P.J. O’Rourke

      1. Authority has always attracted the lowest elements in the human race. All through history, mankind has been bullied by scum.

        True. But just because authority attracts scum doesn’t mean that everybody in authority is scum.

        Hillary, Schumer, and AOC are that kind of scum: the only way they get power and money is through government. Trump didn’t need political power; he already had money beforehand.

        1. Trading DC swamp rats for NYC sewer rats has gotten us only even more septic rats.

      2. Which one had a Mao christmas ornament?

        1. “Whataboutism” fails to move me, since my concern is how alike are they not how unalike.

          Trump is Obama’s third term.

    5. Trump and BarrDemocrats want to use the coronavirus pandemic as their Reichstag Fire to suspend civil liberties and establish a dictatorship.

      FTFY. Luckily, Democrats are not in power right now, otherwise we’d be truly screwed.

      1. New york times actually attacked trump for not using police powers to shut the nation down on friday.

  14. Minor detail: half the incarcerated are being told to get lost, and half those arrested are being told to get lost.

    As should this writer.

  15. I’m a libertarian in a pandemic, and any other time. The governors signing these stay at home orders should be facing criminal charges. At least they will have to face reelection after ruining the jobs and businesses of millions. People won’t forget who wrecked the economy when they didn’t need to.

  16. Layli Miller-Munro, the CEO of the Tahirih Justice Center, which advocates for women and girls fleeing violence

    Fleeing violence is not sufficient grounds for asylum claims; if it were, there would be billions with a right to asylum in the US and the US would cease to exist.

    1. Feature, not bug, for the writers of this magazine.

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  18. The Trumpy the Clown Show’s plot is twisting from idiocracy to autocracy.

    1. Times put it Friday, “Trump Resists Pressure to Force Companies to Make Coronavirus Supplies.”

      Yes, trump is a fascist.

  19. Uh, they are already DOING that by shutting down government functions and telling people to not only shelter in place but to not congregate.

  20. Let’s see what the actual filing is. Because my BS meter is getting pegged toward max with this article. I don’t like the idea that the DOJ is looking for a way to suspend habeas corpus at all. Lincoln did that. Are circumstances as bad as the Civil War? Answer: They are not.

  21. Still no other reporting on this topic at all from anyone except people regurgitating the Politico story like Boehm did.

    Where’s the evidence, Evan? Did they not teach you about looking for evidence in whatever training you supposedly got for journalism?

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  24. I’d really like to see some actual documentation of this request including the most important part: who signed it, if it exists.

    1. A lot of this style reporting is based on early draft memos from career nobodies that never even make it close to becoming official documents.

  25. Really?
    Citing only Politico?
    Maybe the virus rots brains?

    I call bullshit.

  26. Sorry DOJ… Get some sanitizer, wipe the courtroom down, everybody wash their hands and let’s get on with it…

  27. At the very least, all of these functions can occur with property social distancing, or through virtual connections. No reason to shut down justice. Pausing arrests makes more sense, since that incurs direct contact.

  28. So what do we do with criminals who have been arrested, but cannot be quickly arraigned because the courts are closed due to coronavirus fears? Let them go?

    What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Do what NY was doing before the virus: give them a citation, and trust they’ll show up to court.

      Now, cops aren’t even doing that in many places, for fear of contracting the bug. Never been a better time to speed on the nation’s roads until now. IIRC, someone just broke the solo Cannonball record, lowering it to ~32 hours or so.

  29. Last I checked, laws go through Congress. No chance the open-borders, socialist-controlled House authorizes due-process shortcuts.

    They don’t want their constituents behind bars in an election year.

    1. If you think that due process and habeas corpus are “socialist” concepts, then I’m not sure there’s much hope for you here.

      1. Where in his post did you read he didnt agree with habeus corpus?

        1. Habeas, not habeus. It’s a verb meaning “you may have,” not a noun.

      2. Huh? Check your reading comprehension skills.

        1. Addressed to Leo K.’s post. Sorry.

    2. So much dummassery in one comment. Did LC switch handles?

      1. How cute. You literally just said you dislike my posts for disparaging others and shutting down conversation, yet here you are again solely attacking a person and then a 2nd person not even on thread.

        About that projection you accused me of again….

        You also misread his post.

        1. I don’t like your propagation of Republican groupthink or the free pass you give imbeciles like LC. If you spread your rebuttals evenly your claims to intellectual consistency would hold water.

          1. Poor eric. So full of shit, it needs multiple sock trolls to only smell like garbage.

  30. Not just no, but fucking HELL NO!

  31. The DOJ first need to do a very deep and thorough house cleaning. They have proven to be totally untrustworthy.

  32. Have we yet gotten any confirmation of the headline? And something other than ‘the Justice Department as the claimed actor?

  33. Will somebody PLEASE punch that guy in the face?

  34. Abraham Lincoln did this, and there wasn’t even an invading army or anything like that — there was just some states seceding, doing the exact same thing that the founders had done 80 years prior, except with more legal legitimacy. Abraham Lincoln was perhaps one of the worst presidents.

    1. Scary fact, the Lincoln memorial is visited more than the any other presidential rememberance.

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  38. Congress should loudly and firmly respond in the negative. Will they so respond is a more than casually interesting question.

  39. If you guys want to read the actual DOJ proposal, it’s actually online right now. You can read/download a copy at:

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-proposes-video-hearings-and-delayed-proceedings-cope-pandemic

    The suspension of court proceedings part is on the first page of the “TAB B” portion of the PDF document, section 1660.

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  42. The DOJ needs to concentrate on one thing, deep cleaning it’s house.

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