Impeachment

Donald Trump Just Became the Third President To Be Impeached

His case now heads to the Senate, where he will almost certainly be acquitted.

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President Donald Trump has been impeached by the House of Representatives. 

Lawmakers on Wednesday approved articles of impeachment against Trump for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress; the former passed 230 to 197, while the latter advanced 229 to 198. He is only the third president in U.S. history to face a Senate trial. 

While the vote fell almost exclusively along party lines, noteworthy defections include Rep. Jeff Van Drew (D–N.J.), who announced last week that he will leave the Democratic party over his opposition to the impeachment process, and Rep. Justin Amash (I–Mich.), who in July left the Republican party after expressing support for impeachment. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D–Hawaii) voted present.

Trump now faces a trial amid accusations that he withheld a White House meeting and $391 million in military aid from Ukraine in exchange for President Volodymyr Zelenskiy publicly announcing a probe into Burisma Holdings (the energy company where former Vice President Joe Biden's son sat on the board) and an investigation into a highly criticized theory that Ukraine carried out extensive election interference to help 2016 Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

"Many of my colleagues appear to have made their choice to protect the president, to enable him to be above the law, to empower this president to cheat again, as long as it is in the service of their party and their power," said Rep. Adam Schiff (D–Calif.). "They've made their choice….and I believe they will rue the day that they did."

Republicans characterized the proceedings as an effort to unseat a duly elected president. Rep. Mike Kelly (R–Pa.) said today's vote will "live in infamy," drawing an unsavory comparison to the 1941 surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, in which the Japanese killed more than 2,000 people. Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R–Ga.) likened the legal mistreatment of Trump to the mistreatment of Jesus and said that Trump has had it worse. 

Throughout the process, the GOP has sought to dispute the testimony of several witnesses, who in November described an apparent effort led by Trump to pressure a foreign power into investigating his political rivals in advance of the 2020 election. Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified that there was a well-understood quid pro quo between the U.S. and Ukraine in exchange for the desired White House meeting; Bill Taylor, the current chargé d'affaires in Ukraine, said that it was "crazy" to freeze the congressionally appropriated security assistance, which was blocked without explanation in July and not disbursed until September 11. Republicans have dismissed those statements as hearsay.

Congressional GOPers have also accused Democrats of infringing on Trump's right to due process. Keith Whittington, the William Nelson Cromwell Professor of Politics at Princeton University, tells Reason that those allegations are akin to "throw[ing] sand in the air and try[ing] to distract people from what's going on."

But while the evidence might cut against Republicans' defenses, Democrats almost certainly do not have enough testimony to convict the president. Trump has blocked the release of requested documents and forbidden potential witnesses—including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, and former national security adviser John Bolton—from appearing before Congress. Those first-hand accounts may have been obtainable had Democrats taken the issue to court. They chose not to, opting instead for speed and thus an almost certain acquittal in the Senate.

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  1. I wonder what time Billy wrote this … 9AM this morning?

    1. Here’s what he said.

      “The slow-rising central horror of “Watergate” is not that it might grind down to the reluctant impeachment of a vengeful thug of a president whose entire political career has been a monument to the same kind of cheap shots and treachery he finally got nailed for, but that we might somehow fail to learn something from it.” 
                     
       ~~Hunter S. Thompson, Rolling Stone, Aug. 1, 1974

      1. You know he wasn’t writing about Trump here, right?

        Is it fun to be pathetic?

        1. You’re going way over his head. Pod is possessed of a dull, Tony little mind, with stunted dreams.

        2. Trump’s political career has also been filled with “cheap shots and treachery”, so yeah, the fact that he is President shows we “fail[ed] to learn” from our experience with Nixon. So yeah, Thompson was kind of talking about Trump, and people like him.

      2. So we know how old you are because you just saw fear and loathing for the first time and are now quoting hunter Thompson…like we all did when we were freshman in college.

  2. Would you look at that — another OBL prediction just came true! My major theme for 2019 was that Drumpf would be impeached by the Democratic House. And why is there a Democratic House again? Because of 2018’s #BlueWave. Which I also predicted.

    “Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D–Hawaii) voted present.”

    Of course she did.

    #TrumpUkraine
    #TrumpRussia
    #GabbardRussia

    1. This just in to WOBL news- Water wet and bacon delicious, details at 11.

    2. Ahahahahaha… you fucking suck donkey balls, Trumpian. Go fuck yourself, douche.

      1. Super retard argues with a parody again, while not being funny. Again.

        You should try something new. Angry old gay man wasn’t much, but it was better than this, Tony.

    3. Title X of the Impoundment Control Act of 1974.
      No one seems to want to ask the question I raised some time ago on this site which is if Trump was so concerned about corruption in Ukraine then why didn’t he rescind the funds appropriated by Congress to aid Ukraine? Respectful response appreciated.

      1. Please… you are besmirching Dear Leader by bringing up the things he actually did and not recognizing him as the victim that he really is. Poor Poor Dear Leader.

        1. You are so bad at this

          1. I can’t decide if he’s truly retarded or just has the worst sense of humor of anyone who’s ever tried to make a joke.

      2. And why did he ask a corrupt country to investigate corruption instead of the FBI?

        1. Lol. This pathetic question deserves nothing but laughter and finger pointing.

        2. The FBI can investigate a foreign company only at the orders of a president?

          1. The FBI can investigate foreign companies whenever they want provided they have probable cause, and the foreign company has a presence in the US.

            Even with orders from a president, they can’t investigate anything in foreign countries.

        3. Because the corruption occurred in Ukraine and therefore the evidence of it is in Ukraine not in the US. The FBI has no authority to investigate anything in Ukraine.

      3. Tony is jumping socks to boost some web traffic.

      4. What’s Title X ICA got to do with your (somewhat question-begging) question? The former simply delineates the process required for delaying or canceling ( by the executive branch) any congressionally approved funding.

        Trump delayed funding to the Ukraine because he was either 1) unpersuaded they needed it or 2) pissed that the EU crowd wasn’t paying its fair share so why pay “our” share or 3) leveraging it as a quid pro quo for an investigation of either the 2016 election meddling, or of the Bidens, or both.

        A plain language reading of the transcript is that Trump’s threshold concern was about the 2016 meddling, followed by Biden’s role. No mention of the authorized funding is mentioned in the call.

        1. Title X gives any president the opportunity to disapprove of the use of any allocated funds and bring it to the attention of Congress. My point is simple, for the mere sake of optics to show that he was truly concerned about how the American taxpayers money was being handled, he should of made his disapproval well known just like he does everything else (via Twitter if need be) or at least advised on the proper way to go about it. But he didn’t and there is the intent in my view.

          1. But a President only has to invoke Title X if he’s going to delay disbursement beyond the statutory deadline. Which Trump didn’t do here.

            I mean, what are you suggesting? That if a President doesn’t care whether something gets spent, he can wait until the money is due to be spent? But if he’s concerned spending it is a bad idea, he has to spend it right away?

          2. Well, if you’re measuring intent simply on the basis of Trump not publicly announcing or not exercising a formal appropriations rescission provision, you’ll need to explain:
            1) why a month(?) prior to his infamous call, he repeatedly inquired via the budget office about defense appropriations to the Ukraine; and 2) why Bush, Bush, Reagan, Clinton and Obama also agreed that the impoundment act inhibited executive power and led them to equally retard funding in varying degrees without announcing it publicly.

            1. “1) why a month(?) prior to his infamous call, he repeatedly inquired via the budget office about defense appropriations to the Ukraine”

              So Trump’s own OMB when to Congress and presented their concern? A link to this information would be appreciated because I can’t find it anywhere. Thanks.

      5. If Democrats are so concerned about Ukraine safety why did Joe threaten to withhold financial aid over a prosecutors firing and why did the Obama administration refuse to send any military aid to Ukraine and refuse to intervene when Russia annexed crimea?

        1. So you have no answer but the good ‘ol whataboutism?

          1. Other than the fact that the aid was not in fact delayed making your question nonsense?

          2. “”but the good ‘ol whataboutism?””

            Good for the goose, good for the gander?

            Funny how some people will say it’s wrong to treat people equally.

          3. I reflected your comment in a mirror.

  3. Have you considered the reason that the democrats didn’t provide more evidence might be because more evidence doesn’t actually exist? I know, shocking, but do you really think the Democrats would give Trump the win of being able to say he beat their made up charges, if they actually had a way to prove their fantasies?

    1. Didn’t you hear Hoyer tonight? Trump had a chance to prove his innocence, but didn’t take it.

      1. Innocent until proven guilty. Trump is not obligated to try and prove his innocence.

        1. It shows that people really don’t care about actual justice within a free society.

          I’m curious how many mistakes that favor the prosecution is ok in a trial against a citizen. I’m pretty sure if the FBI made systemic errors favoring the prosecution against a minority it would be called racism.

    2. Trump admitted he asked a foreign govt to criminally investigate an American. Mulvaney admitted they held up the aid to pressure the Ukrainians into launching the investigations. Barr could have investigated this if there’s was any real basis to do so. Americans are investigated by Americans. And we have rules and laws that govern those investigations.

      1. blah, blah, blah

        1. That’s you. You’re the King of the obnoxiously long comment.

          1. Fuck off bitch

          2. “That’s you. You’re the King of the obnoxiously long comment.”

            That wasn’t long, and you’re a real competitor for king bullshiter, along with lowest-watt bulb.

            1. I think I disagree

              1. (He’s not sure)

                1. … about anything.

              2. Lol. You just owned yourself.

      2. Which is not wrong.

        Asking for a criminal investigation, without more, is never wrong.

        1. It’s completely wrong. Trump tried to puppet master the power of another govt for his own selfish and depraved scheme to cheat in the next election. He was looking for an advantage over hs political opponents — the American people. When Trump abuses power to gain an advantage in an election he’s cheating all of us of a fair election.

          1. Lol. Another fail.

            1. Your comment looks like a failure actually.

              1. You know he is but what are you?

            2. +100

          2. What is the nature of this cheating?

            1. It’s pressuring another govt to investigate your political opponents when the American govt wasn’t investigating those persons. Why wasn’t Barr investigating Trump’s Biden allegations? Why was Trump begging Zelensky for a “favor”? There’s either a lawful basis to investigate or not. You don’t ask for them or trade over them.

              1. Maybe Barr didn’t investigate Bidens’ Ukrainian dealings because that requires an investigation in Ukraine, and they don’t cotton to foreign cops poking into Ukrainian matters.

                I wonder how upset people would be if Ukrainian cops came over here to investigate the Bidens. Probably deport them right quick.

                1. I’m guessing that Barr also has a lot on his plate right now, with corruption closer to home to take care of

              2. The rules do not prohibit pressuring other governments to investigate political opponents.

              3. Poor Pod is sad and angry.

                1. He just needs to eat more Tide Pods.

              4. Trump asked zelenski to work with Barr in the call dumbfuck.

              5. “”Why was Trump begging Zelensky for a “favor”?””

                Now it’s begging?

          3. Pod, some friendly (friendly because he’s a true believer who’s honest in his [psychotic] partisanship, unlike the jeffs and laursens of this site, and he uses the term “mfer”, which I find endearing) advice:

            Know when you’re being set up for disappointment.
            Yes, you really hate Trump and he’s guilty of all these horrible things and he’s a trillion times worse than Hitler and is the fourth horseman riding the pale mare who’s going to bring the apocalypse and yadda yadda yadda… but he’s not going down. The Ds don’t really believe the arguments they’re making, and they don’t really believe they’re going to succeed. They’re just posturing, desperate to retain the adoration of people such as yourself. They are doing this because they know they are ever more irrelevant, and this is a pathetic means to maintain their denial and keep alive the illusion of importance to themselves.
            Things are bad for the Ds, and it’s only going to get worse in the next few years.
            For your own sake, try to come to grips with this as soon as possible. It’s gonna be rough.

            1. Reason likes the web traffic from the resulting tirades of pod etc when Trump is reelected prez.

              1. If Pod didn’t exist Reason would have to invent him?

          4. It would only be wrong if he indeed tried to order an investigation ONLY to benefit his own campaign. The democrats failed to prove this. And no one ever established that the aid was officially contingent upon an investigation. Most of the witnesses offered speculation. Ukraine is on the record as saying they felt no pressure. Trump told Sondland that he didn’t want QPQ.

            Obviously a president CAN ask a foreign nation to investigate or “look into” a public case regarding a political rival, or anyone. Proving corrupt intent is a separate matter.

            1. The big lie is that Democrats care about Rule of Law , the US Constitution, or Right or Wrong.

              Obama okayed the CIA and FBI to be used to help Hillary and the DNC to keep Trump from assuming office as President. This benefited Obama’s own political party and Hillary’s campaign.

              1. I suppose the bar isn’t whether or not Hillary benefited, but could she have benefited. Trump didn’t benefit from something that didn’t happen where Hillary didn’t benefit from something that happened.

          5. “”depraved scheme to cheat in the next election.””

            Now it’s cheating? You are making shit up again.

      3. Americans are investigated by Americans?

        I’ve never heard of that principal before. If Americans commit crimes in Ukraine, laundering money stolen from Ukraine, then Ukraine is the proper jurisdiction to investigate.

        1. He oversimplified. He meant to say that American political elites are only investigated by American agencies to figure out how to aquit them unless their sacrifice is politically expedient. Ergo, having the Ukraine investigate sometime named Biden is bad practice.

      4. So did 3 senators earlier in the year. So did Mueller with 13 countries. Hillary paid for an investigation then used connections at State to push it to the FBI. But totes go on how the president cant seek out corruption.

      5. Trump admitted he asked a foreign govt to criminally investigate an American. He should’ve just had him killed without trial like a good president would.

    3. If there is no more evidence ( say, of Trump actually fabricating evidence against Biden, asking that evidence against Biden be fabricated, or asking that any potentially exculpatory evidencebe hidden), then it means that what Trunp is accused of doing is not even wrong!

      1. True.

        Though it should be noted that the previous administration set precedent that fabricating evidence against a candidate is completely fair game.
        Welcome to the Thunderdome, donks

    4. It’s possible, but not probable. For Trump not to be behind it all, the Republican talking point that it was all a frame-up by the Deep State has to be true. The more likely explanation is that all the people who had the impression that Trump wanted a quid pro quo in exchange for the foreign aid got that impression because that is indeed what he and Giuliani were conveying to them.

      1. “The more likely explanation is that all the people who had the impression that Trump wanted a quid pro quo in exchange for the foreign aid got that impression because that is indeed what he and Giuliani were conveying to them.”

        So conditioning foreign aid on an investigation into the questionable activities of a US political figure is an impeachable offense?
        That’s an interesting claim.

        1. You’re leaving out the part where President Trump and the US political figure are both candidates in the 2020 Presidential race.

          1. So they are both untouchable?
            Fail.

            1. Only the Dem.is untouchable.

            2. Wow, have had this same conversation maybe a hundred times now. Biden is not untouchable. Trump could have requested a legitimate investigation into Burisma via the Department of Justice.

              Technically, he or the Senate still could. After all, Giuliani says he is going to present a bunch of evidence about Democratic corruption in the Ukraine to the Senate.

              1. How would that be different if it exposed Biden to Trump’s benefit?

                1. It’s all about avoiding the appearance of any conflict of interest, so that he would not expose himself to, well, consequences like being impeached. Of course, the Democrats would criticize him, but that is relatively toothless.

                  He could have requested an investigation into Burisma, or into corruption in Ukraine in general, rather than publicly going after specific people such as Joe Biden. Better yet, he could have had his fellow party members in the Senate request the investigation. He could have kept himself and his personal attorney uninvolved in the investigation, including avoiding any public comment on the case, such as tweeting.

                  If he pursued an investigation in this manner, and honestly and scrupulously avoiding any interference in it, he would not only avoid the appearance of interference, he would really be conducting the investigation in good faith and reducing risk of the results being considered tainted by his interests and partisanship.

                  1. Very low-IQ talking point, Laursen.
                    Desperate and weak.

                    1. Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!

                  2. Mike Laursen
                    December.18.2019 at 11:01 pm
                    “It’s all about avoiding the appearance of any conflict of interest, so that he would not expose himself to, well, consequences like being impeached. Of course, the Democrats would criticize him, but that is relatively toothless….”

                    See, Mike doesn’t like the way Trump did some things, therefore Trump should be impeached!
                    Did you have any intelligent comment, or do we have to settle for this?

                    1. He can do anything the Constitution gives him the power to do, as long as he does it the way I like.

                      But he didn’t, so he should be impeached.

                    2. Poor neutral mikey.

                  3. So a president can’t use an intermediary to arrange working with the DOJ? That is exactly what Trump called for on the call, but you demand Barr be the one to work out details to hold onto your fantasy. God you’really slow.

                  4. It’s all about avoiding the appearance of any conflict of interest, so that he would not expose himself to, well, consequences like being impeached. Of course, the Democrats would criticize him, but that is relatively toothless.

                    And ordering his subordinate employees to conduct an investigation has less of a conflict of interest than asking a third party?

              2. There’s an endless pool of Russian spawned corruption in Ukraine for Trump and Giuliani to present as ‘evidence’.

                1. Pod
                  December.18.2019 at 10:55 pm
                  “There’s an endless pool of Russian spawned corruption in Ukraine for Trump and Giuliani to present as ‘evidence’.”

                  There’s an endless pool of adolescent stupidity posted under this handle.
                  Grow up or fuck off.

              3. How could any Americans have done any investigation in Ukraine without Ukrainian cooperation?

              4. Mike Laursen
                December.18.2019 at 10:29 pm
                “Wow, have had this same conversation maybe a hundred times now.”

                Yes, and you’ve made the same idiotic argument, and been called on it, every time.
                The fact that you refuse to learn is your problem, not mine.

                1. I didn’t consider anyone’s response the first 99 times, so why would I do it the 100th? Especially because I’m neutral and open minded.

                  1. Lol. God you’re a ducking joke neutral mike.

              5. “YOU SHOULD TALK TO RUDY. AND I’LL PUT YOU IN CONTACT WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, MR. BARR.”

                is literally in the transcript, but you keep ignoring you you ignorant twat waffle

            1. The argument has often been made here that the President has virtually unlimited discretion to conduct foreign policy as he sees fit.

              However, the President is also a candidate in a political race. As a candidate, there are limits on his behavior. Also, since he is a candidate, the possibility that he might use the power of his office to help his own campaign arises.

              1. But if he got someone else to investigate, wouldn’t he be in the same boat?

                1. Answered above.

                2. But to repeat, the reason he was just impeached was because he went beyond asking for an investigation, to blatantly and publicly involve himself and his personal attorney in the effort. It didn’t help create a perception of mere public interest in fighting corruption on his part that he and Giuliani frequently and publicly expressed beliefs about what the investigation would conclude before it had even started.

                  1. Mike Laursen
                    December.18.2019 at 11:04 pm
                    “But to repeat…”

                    Yeah, you don’t like Trump, and your happy he’s impeached for being Trump.
                    We got it.
                    Fuck off.

                    1. As an incumbent politician, he is always running for re-election, so anything he does while in office is an abuse of power because it might help him win re-election.

              2. Who was jfks personal attorney and working in the justice department?

              3. “”As a candidate, there are limits on his behavior.””

                It’s assumed that any first term president is a candidate for the next election. Nothing, absolutely nothing, says the president has limited powers due to reelection. Nothing says the president has expanded powers in their second term due to not being able to run again.

        2. Democrats are super desperate. It shows.

      2. I hope you’re right: that would be the kind of backbone I’d like to see the president to have.

      3. More mind reading and progjection on your part. You have not one shred of evidence for that but you desperately try to make it so.

  4. I keep looking for a complete list of which Representatives voted for impeachment and from which districts. There are 30 House Democrats running for reelection in districts that voted for President Trump in 2016, and I’d encourage everyone who cares to give money to the campaigns of the Republican candidates who are running against them.

    Don’t see it on C-Span. Don’t see it on the House’s website.

    Much like the Tea Party did, when they targeted all the Republicans who voted for TARP, the best way to make sure Representatives don’t impeach presidents without legitimate cause in the future is to make sure those that voted to impeach the president today pay by losing their seats in the House. That what impeachment being a political process is really about.

    They need to pay with their seats.

    1. Awww.

    2. What I’m curious about is who switched votes for the two different impeachment articles.

    3. “Who voted “no”
      Rep. Collin Peterson (D-Minn.), who has represented Minnesota’s 7th district since 1991. His district pivoted to support Trump after voting in Obama for two terms.
      Rep. Jeff Van Drew (D-N.J.), a freshman Democrat in New Jersey’s 2nd district who is expected to go Republican. He has voted against Trump on nearly all issues except impeachment. His district swung to support Trump in 2016 after voting in Obama for two terms.
      Also worth noting: Rep. Jared Golden (D-Maine), a freshman, followed through on his promise to vote yes for the impeachment article accusing Trump of abusing his power — but not the second, which alleges that Trump obstructed Congress. Golden represents Maine’s 2nd district, which voted for Trump in 2016 after voting in Obama for two terms”

      This should be what you’re looking for though:
      http://www.axios.com/trump-house-democrats-support-impeachment-056e26dd-a207-4315-ad84-923486c6f3a5.html

  5. Those districts voted for Democrats over Republicans in 2018. The Democrats represent those districts now, you fool. Trump couldn’t even get Louisiana or Kentucky to vote for the Republican candidate.

    1. Bitch those districts are going Republican in 2020.

      1. Poddy hete lives in Wokeland, thr antithesis of reality.

      2. Seriously doubt that

        1. You think you doubt that.

          1. Lol. It’s funny because it’s true. Or is it?

    2. You realize that Trump appealed to Demovrats in 2016, and we won districts that voted Democratic for at least thevpast decade.

      They wanted a Democrat in the mold of Richard Gephardt, Tom Daschle, or Gary Hart, not radicalized Woketarians.

  6. This is a historic sad day for our Republic. Today is a day of national shame, disgrace and dishonor. I cannot believe the country I love has fallen so low, and become so crass. We will never be the same.

    1. The Woketaroan Left and those who radicalized them must be defeated!

    2. I’m ok with it.
      Time to take the gloves off

      1. You meant the safety didn’t you? 😉

    3. Yeah, let’s hope that we can fix this at the next election when we can kick out the perpetrators, i.e., the Democrats.

  7. Typical Billy aka Pod posting here in his bitch persona.

  8. There is no chance that venal Republicans will vote to remove their hero, the worst and most corrupt President in US history.

    1. Show me the cum stained dress.

    2. Trump. Best President is US history.

    3. As much as I think President Trump is incompetent, dangerously psychotic, divisive, a reprehensible person in his personal and business life, and probably did what the first article of impeachment accuses him of, I was a kid during the Nixon Administration.

      Nixon was worse.

      And then we had Andrew Jackson and Woodrow Wilson.

      1. “Nixon was worse.”

        Far worse, but nothing like Obo using the IRS as a political weapon. And had the hag been elected, she would get to answer for destroying subpoenaed evidence and selling political access for donations to her (cough) ‘foundation’.

        1. Are you seriously arguing that Obama using the IRS as a political weapon is worse than Nixon’s activities?

          1. I would.

          2. He’s seriously arguing that the IRS monitoring Tea Party groups for political bias — because they were!!— is like Nixon bombing Cambodia. Man, these conservatives have worms in their brains.

            1. Nixon wasn’t impeached for bombing Cambodia

              1. To clarify, when I said Nixon (and Jackson and Wilson) were worse than Trump, I was talking in general. I wasn’t only referring to impeachable offenses that Nixon committed.

              2. Anti war Leftists wanted to. He should of been dragged to jail along with LBJ and McNamara and Kissinger.

                1. Best thing you ever said.

                2. “should of”

                  So, so, so egregiously stupid

                3. “Anti war Leftists wanted to. He should of been dragged to jail along with LBJ and McNamara and Kissinger.”

                  Anti-war leftists did exactly that. Until Obo the warmonger showed up, you fucking hypocrite.
                  Grow up and pay your mortgage, scumbag.

            2. The i.r.s. was withholding and delaying the “non profit” status applications of several hundred conservative political action groups and committees from 2014-16 in the leadup to the 16′ election, under the Obama administration.

          3. Mike Laursen
            December.18.2019 at 10:13 pm
            Are you seriously arguing that Obama using the IRS as a political weapon is worse than Nixon’s activities?

            That, and using your idols in the intel agencies to attempt to frame Trump then following through with the Russia hoax is far worse than Nixon, and probably the most corrupt administration in US history.

            1. Obama was the least transparent, so much of what he did is obscured. Trump has been remarkably transparent – tweeting stream of consciousness.

          4. Mike Laursen
            December.18.2019 at 10:13 pm
            “Are you seriously arguing that Obama using the IRS as a political weapon is worse than Nixon’s activities?”

            Are you SO stupid to presume otherwise?
            What pathetic government ‘education’ system delivered such a pathetic piece of shit?

          5. If Obama actually directed that, yes, it definately would be. But I thought there was never any evidence he was directly involved, nor that the targeting was intentional from anyone significant. That said, we never investigated it a tenth as thoroughly as they have Trump so maybe we should have had a ridiculous political circus to be fair.

            1. Every device holding the information was conveniently destroyed, but we’re supposed to assume it was an honest mistake and not deliberate CYA by the administration.

        2. Obama ordered the murder of a US citizen and his kid was killed in the commission of that murder.

          1. And I was highly critical of Obama when he did that.

            However, like LeaveTrumpAloneLibertarian said above: Cambodia

            1. Yes, but Lincoln set the precedent.

            2. “However, like LeaveTrumpAloneLibertarian said above: Cambodia”

              Ain’t great that fucking lefty ignoramuses have to reach back 50 years to cherry pick some bullshit?

            3. “And I was highly critical of Obama when he did that.”

              You bet! Let’s see where you called for impeachment.

      2. None of you Trump dick sucking bootlickers even addressed that I said Trump is a dangerous psychopath. Because that’s definitely true.

        And if you don’t think it’s true, how do you prove it? Do you think Trump thinks the sky is blue? Do you? How do you know the sky is blue? Can you prove it?

        Why do you want to prove the sky is blue? Do you have some personal gain for convincing people the sky is blue? Why do you care that Jeff and I are gay lovers? Why do you think that’s wrong? So because you don’t like this post you’re homophobic?

        1. “None of you Trump dick sucking bootlickers even addressed that I said Trump is a dangerous psychopath. Because that’s definitely true.

          And if you don’t think it’s true, how do you prove it? Do you think Trump thinks the sky is blue? Do you? How do you know the sky is blue? Can you prove it?”

          You’re really unhinged here, and your burning hate for Trump is much more rabid than any of your loyalty to him.

          Trump is not going to be removed. The republicans will not vote to remove him when the democrats have proven no crime and the FBI was found to have lied to obtain surveillance warrants on him.

          There were better ways for Trump to approach Ukraine with this request. More astute presidents would have been aware of the perception of conflict of interests that would created. But whether he asked Ukraine to investigate Burisma only to benefit his own campaign is a separate issue.

          Hunter Biden is crackhead with no expertise in energy but got a cushy job with a company long suspected of corruption. Latvia flagged payments to Hunter suspecting a money laundering operation. Seriously, what’s so unusual about Trump’s request?

          Since the Ukrainian side confirmed that they felt no pressure, the democrats had to prove that Trump had corrupt intent, even if he didn’t specifically present conditions to Zelensky. They never did this. Taylor said he wasn’t party to the phone call, never met the president and got talking points from NYT. Most other witnesses offered speculation.

          Bottom line – if you can’t prove that Trump intended to punish Ukraine by withholding aid for not doing what he wanted, then he doesn’t get impeached. It’s a political process, but the republicans will say “you didn’t make your case” vote against removal, and presto the farce comes to an end.

          The GOP controlled house didn’t impeach Obama for FF and executing an American citizen without trial. You’re delusional if you think this wasn’t a politically motivated by hit job by an increasingly far left democrat party.

        2. All presidents and presidential candidates are psychopaths.

          But Trump is a lot less dangerous than either Obama or Clinton, if not for any other reason, than because he is scrutinized more than Obama and Clinton and because he is less competent.

        3. Notice it’s spelled differently now….

          So we’ve got Jeff socking himself , and now being socked again. It’s a 4th dimension socking!

          1. Shhh
            It’s the most successful one yet

            1. Yeah, this Mike ain’t neutral….heheheheheh.

    4. crufus
      December.18.2019 at 9:32 pm
      “There is no chance that venal Republicans will vote to remove their hero, the worst and most corrupt President in US history.”

      There is no chance that fucking lefty ignoramuses will accept they LOST on 2016.
      Fuck off and die.

      1. Awww… why don’t you go scream st the sky, GOPer.

        1. Aww, why don’t you grow up and pay your mortgage, fucking lefty ignoramaus?

    5. TRUMP!!!!!

    6. I can’t tell whether that’s sarcasm or whether you’re serious.

      Just in case: for all his faults, Trump is a saint compared to JFK, Johnson, Clinton, and Obama.

  9. Tulsi Gabbard voted “present” on the resolution to impeach President Trump.

    1. I would have been shocked if she had voted for or against. President Trump should appoint her Secretary of War after the election.

      1. I’m surprised.

        She’s basically telling Democrat donors not to give her money now or in the future. She committed political suicide with those two votes.

    2. She is so…(sniff) courageous!

    3. And all the anti-war socialists in Hawaii clapped.

  10. Doesn’t the Chief Justice preside over the impeachment trial?

    Be funny if he tossed the case over lack of evidence.

  11. Abbath 2020.

    Kvlt.

  12. Here’s a list of incumbent Democrats representing districts that voted for President Trump in 2016 that will be running to keep their seats in 2020:

    Rep. Tom O’Halleran (D-Ariz.)
    Rep. Lucy McBath’s (D-Ga.)
    Rep. Lauren Underwood (D-Ill.)
    Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-Ill.)
    Rep. Abby Finkenauer (D-Iowa)
    Rep. Dave Loebsack (D-Iowa)
    Rep. Cindy Axne’s (D-Iowa)
    Rep. Jared Golden (D-Maine)
    Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich.)
    Rep. Haley Stevens (D-Mich.)
    Rep. Angie Craig (D-Minn.)
    Rep. Collin Peterson (D-Minn.)
    Rep. Susie Lee’s (D-Nev.)
    Rep. Chris Pappas’s (D-N.H.)
    Rep. Andy Kim (D-N.J.)
    Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.)
    Rep. Mikie Sherrill (D-N.J.)
    Rep. Jefferson Van Drew (D-N.J.)
    Rep. Xochitl Torres Small (D-N.M.)
    Rep. Max Rose (D-N.Y.)
    Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.)
    Rep. Antonio Delgado (D-N.Y.)
    Rep. Anthony Brindisi (D-N.Y.)
    Rep. Kendra Horn (D-Okla.)
    Rep. Matt Cartwright (D-Pa.)
    Rep. Conor Lamb (D-Pa.)
    Rep. Joe Cunningham (D-S.C.)
    Rep. Ben McAdams (D-Utah)
    Rep. Elaine Luria’s (D-Va.)
    Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D-Va.)
    Rep. Ron Kind (D-Wis.)

    The only source I can find for which of them voted how on impeachment is this blurb for the WSJ:

    “Two Democrats crossed party lines on both votes: Reps. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey and Collin Peterson of Minnesota. Another Democrat, Rep. Jared Golden of Maine, backed the first article but opposed the second. All three lawmakers represent districts carried by Mr. Trump in the 2016 election.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-prepares-to-vote-on-impeaching-trump-11576667768?

    If this is accurate, it means that all but those three two and a half voted to overturn their own district’s votes–and the voters in their districts should never hear the end of it. What could be more pathetic than some politician winning reelection after voting to disregard the will of the voters in his district in an election year. If you vote for someone who disregards your right to pick the president over nothing, you deserve what you get–but the rest of us don’t.

    1. Don’t worry, Red states will just pull a few million voters off the voter rolls. Georgia is purging 300,000 before the election.

      1. “Don’t worry, Red states will just pull a few million voters off the voter rolls. Georgia is purging 300,000 before the election.”

        Is that kiddie-porn peddlers and/or those who welsh on bets? Just hoping shit-piles like you can’t vote, turd.

      2. “Georgia is purging 300,000 before the election.”

        Gaptoothed delusional bitches hardest hit.

        1. You forgot “fat”
          Stacey Abrams is also fat

      3. It is just like what Dems do to gun owners.

        No big deal.

    2. It is fine to be who you are Ken.

      You just took your mask off.

      1. Echospinner
        December.18.2019 at 10:52 pm
        “It is fine to be who you are Ken.
        You just took your mask off.”

        Yeah, posting facts tends to piss off fucking lefty ignoramuses.

      2. Mask? What mask?

        All the Democrats who voted to impeach the president their districts picked should pay with their seats–especially when some of the leading Democrats are calling for the Green New Deal and Medicare for all, seeing the Democrats lose control of the House will be a good thing.

        Sometimes the highest principles and partisanship align, and when the Democrats are openly advocating socialism is one of those times. We can discuss the finer points of Trump’s trade and immigration polices sometime after the socialists have been defeated. Until then, it’s all hands on deck.

        No mask necessary.

        Anyone who is such a principled capitalist that they wouldn’t support Trump–not even to save the country from socialism–is a phony capitalist.

      3. Ken’s been wearing a mask? Da fuq?

      4. Ken is among the most transparent and thoughtful commenters here. I don’t always agree with him, but he is rational and thorough.

        Get out of the echo chamber, Echo.

    3. Don’t be a bitch, Ken. Impeachment is right there in the constitution. It’s always going to overturn the will of the people who voted for the guy and still support him. That’s what it does.

      1. Be a fucking lefty ignoramus, shitbag. Kangaroo courts are what they support.

      2. “be a bitch, Ken”

        Always some weird gay fantasy with you progs. You and Saint Kirkland should get together and shove it down each other’s throats and leave the rest of us out of it.

  13. Trump is now the best President in US history.

    He is the only US President to survive a full on coup and survive.

    1. And three years of investigations.
      I doubt I would have made it.

      1. I really like Founders but once this Republic was founded, they never had to deal with actual traitors to the constitution that were Congressmen.

        1. There’s always Adams and his violation of freedom of the press. If that wasn’t treason, what is?

      2. Username checks out.

    2. The Dotard has signed exactly one bill of any consequence – a tax cut that was smaller than Obama’s tax cut.

      And it hasn’t budged GDP. In fact GDP is slowing.

      But that Trump dick don’t suck itself – that is why you are here.

      1. Im surprised tulpa let you have your handle back with enough time to get Hillarys dick out yer mouth.

        1. So, do you approve of Tulpa’s behavior on this website, hijacking other people’s handles?

          1. “So, do you approve of Tulpa’s behavior on this website, hijacking other people’s handles?”

            So, do you approve of kiddie-porn peddlers?

          2. That seems to be the fad going around that a President’s behavior is the reflection of its supporters! So yes, they approve.

            1. “That seems to be the fad going around that a President’s behavior is the reflection of its supporters! So yes, they approve.”

              And fucking lefty ignoramuses approve of kangaroo courts; thank you for your efforts.
              You are “perfectly” a fucking lefty ignoramus.

            2. Poor Lefties approve of kangaroo proceedings that backfire and turn an impeached President into the best President this Republic has ever had.

        2. Poor neutral mikey needs replies so badly.

      2. Yeah, the Drumpf economy is so terrible that Sam’s Club closed a bunch of stores. And that low unemployment rate? Just means everyone is working 2 or 3 jobs to survive.

        #DrumpfRecession

      3. “But that Trump dick don’t suck itself – that is why you are here.”

        And sucking the hags ass seems to have taken up a lot of your time, turd.

      4. “And it hasn’t budged GDP. In fact GDP is slowing.”

        OFFS, do you still think your pathetic cherry-picking fools anyone?
        The economy is at peak numbers in nearly every measure, so unlike your fave scumbag Obo who managed to slow the growth quite well when it should have zoomed, it’s very hard to show much more growth.
        And you, from stupidity or desire to deceive, hope that line of bullshit convinces anyone of anything other than your assholery.
        Go back to peddling kiddie-porn, turd; it fits your personality.

    3. “full on coup”

      Yeah, I saw the tanks rolling through the streets of Washington, D.C. on CNN tonight.

      1. Lefties dont have tanks which is why this desperation move was done.

        The Democrats are losing. Even other Democrats are sad for Lefties who think Trump wont be reelected.

        Trump is now the best President ever thanks to a failed coup that the Founders never had to endure.

        1. Right, a coup that would have seen the Democrats succeed in putting their man, Mike Pence, in the seat of power.

          1. “Right, a coup that would have seen the Democrats succeed in putting their man, Mike Pence, in the seat of power.”

            The results of a coup are often not as planned, and here it seems the intent is to punish Trump for winning the election rather than any positive result.
            Lefty fucking ignoramuses are sorta stupid that way, and you regularly show.

          2. I wouldn’t bother. I’m convinced the comment section only has 5 actual users trading off on sock puppet accounts.

            1. This from the new sock troll.

              1. Bitch please. You wish I was a sock.

                Also not a new user. Just don’t post much. You should try it sometimes.

                1. Spoken like a Mike Laursen who’d been around for ever but didn’t know who Little Jeffy.

                  “Bitch please. You wish I was a sock.“

                  Hardcore. And at the risk of sounding slow, why does he wish you were a sock? That doesn’t really make any sense.

                  1. I presume all of his were getting crunchy.

              2. Socks need to explain that they have been around forever and dont post much.

                With posts like this troll, its no wonder its programmers doesnt post much.

                1. You can always tell the sock trolls because another sock troll like eric comes in immediately to back the original sock troll up.

                  1. We got eric, tomy, some more hihn socks, neutral kikey socks, and some kbeckman sock troll.

                  2. ‘Look at this new person who’s clearly a sock’

                    ‘Ha, only a sock would say they’ve been here a while and just don’t post much’

                    Are you done flailing like a retard? Don’t you have someplace else to be logically inconsistent at?

                    1. “Don’t you have someplace else to be logically inconsistent at?”

                      This is the worst insult I’ve ever read on the internet.

                    2. Give it time Rmac. This new sock troll will post even dumber stuff that peer hihn at some point.

                      I mean sock troll are programmed to get web traffic for reason. reason lost all credibility since Trump was elected, so what do they have to lose. You can tell because reason added autostart videos and other web traffic generators to gain revenue. Its an indicator of circling the drain.

        2. Poor neutral mikey doesnt even know why his Teams coup failed.

          1. Not my team.

            And the Democrats haven’t failed to remove Trump from office yet. They probably will fail, but it’s not a done deal yet.

            1. “Not my team.”

              Are you really stupid enough to hope that bullshit sells?

            2. There’s lies, god damn lies, and shit that Jeffmike posts.

          2. Poor neutral mikey thinks this coup extends to simply trying to get Trump from office.

      2. “Yeah, I saw the tanks rolling through the streets of Washington, D.C. on CNN tonight.”

        Coups do not require tanks, and while I’m sure you knew that, I’m also sure, as a fucking lefty ignoramus, you are dishonest enough to ignore it in your post.

    4. Ahahahaha…

      Awww.

  14. So it turns out extortion of a foreign government for political gain IS an impeachable act.

    It kind of makes lying about a blowjob seem trivial.

    1. Clinton abused his office and status (in a very mundane way that many corporate managers have abused their status in relationships with underlings). That’s more than “lying about a blowjob”, just as what Trump allegedly did was more than just honorably “asking Ukraine to investigate corruption.”

      1. “…just as what Trump allegedly did was more than just honorably “asking Ukraine to investigate corruption.””

        Nice (lame) try at equivalence; you lose.

    2. “So it turns out extortion of a foreign government for political gain IS an impeachable act.”
      Conditioning foreign aid is “extortion” to kiddie-porn peddlers and .

      “It kind of makes lying about a blowjob seem trivial.”
      Lying under oath is far worse than what got those poor folks who happened to know Trump in trouble, but lefty fucking ignoramuses will ignore that.

    3. “It kind of makes lying about a blowjob seem trivial.”

      What lie does one need to tell you to get you comply?

    4. Apparently, it only became impeachable today.

      Extorting foreign governments is how America does diplomacy.

      1. Its why the USA gives so much money to so many foreign nations.

        To threaten to withhold it if the nation does not comply.

      2. It’s supposed to be done for the benefit of Americans, not the president’s reelection campaign.

        1. “It’s supposed to be done for the benefit of Americans, not the president’s reelection campaign.”

          Your fantasies are your problem, not ours.

        2. “”It’s supposed to be done for the benefit of Americans, not the president’s reelection campaign.

          Things that benefit Americans do benefit the president’s reelection campaign.

        3. The President’s re-election campaign benefits Americans.

    5. As Democrats were fond of pointing out, anything is impeachable.

      This impeachment reflects very badly on Democrats.

  15. MAGA. Trump 2020.

  16. Thanks Lefties. This is the best Christmas present ever.

    Trump now gets reelected and the Democrat Party goes on life support.

    1. Is that why he’s losing to an octogenarian apologist for the Soviet Union?

      RCP Average 12/4 – 12/17 47.6 45.2 Sanders +2.4

      1. LeaveTrumpAloneLibertarian
        December.18.2019 at 10:36 pm
        “Is that why he’s losing to an octogenarian apologist for the Soviet Union?”

        Pick them cherries, scumbag! Tell us how the hag was supposed to win, and yet she and you ended up losers!
        Hey, scumbag, pay your mortgage yet, or are you still hoping honest people will cover for you pathetic ass?

    2. The sock trolls are really busy trying to boost reason web traffic during non-peak hours.

      Trump!!

    3. Republicans seemed awfully upset today for people who are going to benefit politically.

      1. “Republicans seemed awfully upset today for people who are going to benefit politically.

        Fucking lefty ignoramuses seem awfully defensive about that kangaroo court.

      2. It’s politically good for Republicans. It’s lousy for the country.

    4. Making America Great Again.

      Thanks Trump.

      1. How many rubles per post? You can tell me.

        1. How many drinks per post from out drunken lefty ignoramus?

        2. Probably same rate as you, so you should know.

      2. Poor Tony does not make enough Rubles per troll post of his to make it worth my while to even reply to his comments let alone work with him in Moscow.

  17. Impeachment is nice. We should do this more often.

    1. Shit no. They keep interrupting The Price is Right.

      1. What network is airing The Price is Right at 8PM EST?

    2. Now Trump is the best president in US History.

      Poor Lefties and their backfiring plan.

  18. Ukraine’s election interference is a matter of public record.

    1. So is the U.S.’s interference in Israeli elections.

      1. Correct. Which makes it so ridiculous that Democrats are trying to use this as a pretext for impeachment.

        1. “Vengeance is mine, I will repay,” says the LORD.

          Our nation wronged the Judenvolk, and our Lord God HaShem is repaying with usurious interest.

  19. 2020 elections are gonna be EPIC! Popcorn please.

    1. Wait til RBG croaks! You ain’t seen nuthin yet!!

      1. Plus, Lefties have not seen the wrath of Kavanaugh.

        That guy is itching for an opportunity to stand up to Lefties and make a real difference that sends them into a suicidal rage.

  20. Pyrrhic victory. At best.

    The senate will momentarily redress this protracted Kabuki dance. Meanwhile, the media, the swamp and the deep state have exposed themselves like the twerp in the raincoat. Put them on the Liar’s Registry.

    With Trump still upright, if bruised, the progtards now have no more bullets to shoot and no more soapboxes on which to stand. It’s their turn to face the unrestrained mob, but they’ll do so as political eunuchs.

    “Going to the mattresses” is where we were, where we are and where we are going. Enjoy the show.

    1. Crying wolf. This actually gives Trump more room to act since a second impeachment would be near impossible.

      1. +1000

  21. So when are the fat old people starting up this civil war? Do hoverounds count as cavalry?

    1. “So when are the fat old people starting up this civil war? Do hoverounds count as cavalry?”

      Pelosi has already done so, and she’ll do fine so long as someone keeps her upright.
      How many drinks have you had to post such bullshit?

    2. Old people don’t need to “start up this civil war”, they just withdraw their investments from the market and squirrel them away somewhere.

      1. Plus Patriot farmers like me will just step up our food deliveries to assisted living homes. We will have more food when the cities are blockaded and left to surrender or starve.

        Better get a nice BIG white flag Tony. You’re gonna need one.

  22. Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R–Ga.) likened the legal mistreatment of Trump to the mistreatment of Jesus and said that Trump has had it worse.

    Well that certainly wins the breathless hyperbole of the day award.

    1. Almost as pathetic as Pelosi trying to wrap herself in the Constitution, but of course fucking lefty ignoramuses like you ignore that.
      Luv some kangaroo court, do you?

      1. So am I safe in assuming that you worship the holy trinity of Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump? Or are they tiered in your theology?

        I for one am impressed that the US has had three presidents who have suffered on the cross more than that damn charlatan ‘Jesus’ guy ever did. That’s the sign of a Great country that can crucify three gods and not suffer even a plague of fireflies or talking bunny rabbits. Trump has made America Great Again and become a true martyr in doing so. It’s like a miracle. I never thought it could happen. I think I’m going to hang a picture of the Virgin Mary Anne McLeod Trump and light some candles. And tear down that bullshit Xmas tree heresy stuff.

        1. JFree
          December.19.2019 at 1:04 am
          “So am I safe in assuming that you worship the holy trinity of Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump? Or are they tiered in your theology?”
          No, you are safe in confirming you’re a fucking lefty ignoramus.

          “I for one am impressed that…”
          Uh, yeah. The rest of your bullshit is, well, bullshit.
          Fuck off and die.

        2. “ So am I safe in assuming that you worship the holy trinity of Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump? Or are they tiered in your theology?”

          That’s a pretty fucking weird assumption. Is it just good pot, or do you throw in some shrooms or something?

        3. Poor Jfree is trying to compare Bill Clinton with Donald Trump.

          Thanks to Lefties, Donald J Trump is the best President in US History. Surviving coup after coup.

    2. Pontius Pelosi?

      1. And on the morning of the seventh day the Donald arose from the dead and climbed to the top of the Christmas tree where Santa Claus gave him the keys to the tree which would forever more be in honor of Christ Donald. And Rudolph the All-American White Reindeer handed him the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch saying Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy. And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals and…

        1. Yeah same question as above. Cuz if it’s just good weed what strain is it? Asking for a friend.

        2. Dont ruin Monty python. They’re funny, you’re not.

          1. Jfree and pals are upset.

            The impeachment has already made Trump more popular in less than 24 hours.

  23. LeaveTrumpAloneLibertarian
    December.18.2019 at 10:30 pm
    “He’s seriously arguing that the IRS monitoring Tea Party groups for political bias — because they were!!— is like Nixon bombing Cambodia. Man, these conservatives have worms in their brains.”

    Please note that the mortgage-skipping scumbag is trying, TRYING, to equate Obo’s audits and delay of status to “monitoring”.
    Isn’t that rich? Yeah, Obo was just checking to make sure they didn’t say anything that he didn’t like, right, scumbag?

  24. I’ve said before here that I lean towards thinking that Trump should be impeached, though I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.

    But it’s hard not to think that Democrats have really bungled this. By not even trying to compel people like Bolton to testify they seem to have played right into McConnell’s hands. And now Pelosi is saying that the House might not send the articles of impeachment to the Senate right away. It’s a bad look.

    I don’t know if this whole thing will end up actively helping Trump in the election, but it’s hard to see it helping Democrats.

  25. “His case now heads to the Senate, where he will almost certainly be acquitted.”

    As we would hope those accused by kangaroo courts would be.

  26. My name is Aqiqah Bandung.

    I want to ask, why did he ask a corrupt country to investigate corruption instead of the FBI ?

    1. This question is as valid as the first time it was asked here.

    2. Because he was talking to the new president and telling them they needed to not be corrupt anymore. And the FBI is a domestic police service. And Trump beleives the FBI is corrupt. And Trump probably also actually beleives the stupid Ukraine server conspiracy theory.

      This is all easily answered when you keep in mind that Trump is actually a nut. Or if you read the transcript for that matter.

    3. Um, because that country was involved and has the info?

    4. He asked zelensky to contact bill barr at the justice department…

      “You should talk to rudy. And I’ll put you in contact with mr. Barr”

      Is literally in the transcript of the call.

    5. Because the president knew the FBI was corrupt–as has recently been revealed by the Inspector General’s report–and was out to get him. President Trump asking the FBI to investigate Biden would be like Ariel Sharon asking Yasser Arafat for asylum.

    6. (1) The FBI has zero jurisdiction to investigate in Ukraine without Ukraine’s permission.
      (2) Clearly Democrats are scared shitless of Trump exposing all the illegal activities in Ukraine, so Trump has to be careful who he approaches since the bad guys will get tipped off and cover their illegal activities which are still ongoing.
      (3) Ukraine might have some corruption but much of the turmoil in Ukraine comes from Russian espionage, FSB activities to undermine Ukraine and bring it back into the Russian fold, and the Civil War still raging in Eastern Ukraine .

  27. Q: Is Trump a brute and an underhanded sleaze?
    A: Yep.
    Q: On policy issues, are the Demos better or worse?
    A: Far worse.

    1. I do find it funny that career politicians are saying this is about corruption. If they really wanted corruption out of government, they would all resign.

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  29. The Democrats have been hell-bent on impeaching Trump since day one. Do they really think that none of the other 44 presidents has done this or far worse on a daily basis? The Democrats will regret this in a year’s time and every future president will stand to be impeached on political grounds. What an utter farce!

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  30. And he will be the third to be found not guilty.

  31. And he will be the third to be found not guilty by the Senate.

    1. But the first to have been impeached on a purely partisan vote.

      If you can’t convince one third of the opposing party, you don’t have a case.

  32. Random aside…

    Why does this stupid rbg pop up video keep appearing on reason?

    Hello reason, not only do we not care what an anti-constitution ideological piece of shit like her thinks…most of us hope she dies off asap.

  33. Next Dem Prez will wind up getting impeached too over a nothing burger like wiping their bum from back to front. Then we’ll all just wait for each president to get impeached. It will wind up not being news.

    1. Oh absolutely. Until we fix the electoral college and first past the post voting this will continue until it implodes.

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  35. I don’t really care either way.
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