KU Flyer: Anarcho-Capitalists and Students Who Oppose Safe Spaces Are Probably Secret Nazis
University of Kansas School of Social Welfare possibly behind effort to censor speech


Do you identify as an anarcho-capitalist? Are you skeptical of safe spaces, or the excesses of social justice activism? Have you ever muttered "Make America Great Again," perhaps in your sleep?
Well, you're probably a Nazi who's trying to recruit others into your secret fascist cabal.
That's according to flyers that appeared all over the University of Kansas's campus. The flyers warn students that neo-Nazis are among them, using coded language, according to Campus Reform.
"Recently, there has been a disturbing presence of neo-nazi and hate group recruitment taking place on the University of Kansas's campus," the flyer reads. "Given the violent and dangerous nature of groups such as this, it is imperative that we do not allow their presence to become normative."
The flyer warns that the violent, dangerous neo-nazis who live among them use coded language like, "alt right, anarcho-capitalist, men's rights activist, and Make America Great Again."
Furthermore, "opponents of safe-spaces, inclusivity, social justice, intersectional activism, and multiculturalism are opponents of liberty and equality for all people," according to the flyer.
Such hateful rhetoric, when encountered, should be reported the university, according to the flyer:
"If you see postings regarding the alt-right, anarcho-capitalists, white nationalists, or any other hate group, photograph the post for documentation and remove it immediately."
In addition to endorsing the censorship of certain non-liberal viewpoints, the flyer also asks students to contact their Congressmen and urge them to vote against the confirmation of President Trump's Cabinet picks. It concludes with a warning that those who remain neutral will be considered allies of the oppressors.
It's not entirely clear who posted the flyers, but Campus Reform did some additional reporting, and many members of campus believe the School of Social Welfare was behind it.
When reached for comment by Campus Reform, the university would not say who was behind the flyers. One expects that if the School of Social Welfare wasn't involved, KU would say so.
In any case, while there's some overlap between the alt-right and white nationalist groups, it's more than a little hyperbolic to say "anarcho-capitalist" is essentially a code word for neo-nazi. Regardless, KU is a public university, and it must provide free speech to everyone—even people whose views are disfavored by the School of Social Welfare.
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I like to think of safe spaces as public transportation. Move people who want safe spaces into safe spaces and get them off the road where the professionals are.
"alt right, anarcho-capitalist, men's rights activist, and Make America Great Again."
One of these is not like the other.
I know this one!!!
Hell, none of them are like each other.
Yet, there are, dare I say, a few intersectional points of co-belligerency.
First the AnarchoCapitalists came for themselves, since there was no state to oppress them.
*golf clap*
Hell, only two of those things are even similar.
Nothing says "Nazi" like New York real estate developer. They're basically the Nazi's bread and butter.
the poster described in the article mentioned all of these terms so it needs to removed at once.
I am an ancap, and I do think Hugo Boss makes a snappy suit...
Was he also responsible for the hot-pink piping on the SS Panzer uniforms? wtf?
As noted yesterday by Mythical Libertarian Woman, this will not end well.
The flyer warns that the violent, dangerous neo-nazis who live among them use coded language like, "alt right, anarcho-capitalist, men's rights activist, and Make America Great Again."
The progs are clearly itching for a fight, and I fear they are going to get one.
By erasing any distinctions between conservatives and actual neo-nazis they are destroying rational debate, which is always their aim. But this will have another effect. If they are going to label all of their opponents and even mild critics as Nazis then there is no incentive for those people to not go full Nazi.
They can't make things better, but they can sure as hell make things worse.
They've been trying to erase that distinction for as long as I can remember.
Wish I had the source; paraphrasing:
"Walter, what's a Nazi?"
"People who literally pushed Jews into ovens."
"Oh OK."
"Also people who want lower taxes."
It must be The Big Lebowski, but imdb quotes don't show anything like that.
No, not TBL.
Birth of a Nation?
Progressivism? Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least its and ethos
Oh come on Donny, they were threatening castration!
It's already the basis for a lot of the PUA internet culture and what-not. Feminists scream "all men (or at least men that don't accept everything we say without question) are pigs!!!" and a ton of men go "alright, guess I'm a pig then", embracing the identity. What's the worse they're going to do in response, call you pigs again?
Or like making so many crimes punishable by death. If picking pockets gets you the death penalty, you have every incentive to kill witnesses and cops.
exactly
+1 Draco of Athens
+1 Longtorso
This is great way to get the new Supreme Court to slap down public school administrations. Keep up the obviously illegal activities.
Well, men are pigs. Oink. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
Pigs are highly intelligent, loyal animals. I had a wonderful pig growing up named Carl.
He was delicious.
"A pig like that, you don't want to eat all at once."
My pet pig was named Edigene. Nothing is a bigger pain in the ass than a pet pig when it grows up. It's smart, spoiled, demanding and bigger than you are.
Still better than a teenager because if you kill and eat your teenager there's a lot of legal hassle.
That's why I kill mine on their thirteenth birthday. They're still tender at that age, almost as good as veal.
So, as flavorless as possible?
Was your pig's last name "Marx?" Delicious bacon with a side of delicious satire.
I think you mean "Old Major"
Also, how all women become "feminists" to some men.
Ridiculous, ridiculous, ridiculous. Not only do feminists not scream "all men are pigs," but even if they did, men have a choice over their own behaviors. Blaming women for what men decide to do is treating men like children who rely on outside influences to move them to one action or another. If you're a man who gets into PUA/Redpill BS, that is on you. You made that choice.
There are some men out there who have treated me very terribly (undoubtedly more terribly than you've been treated by any woman, unless you too have been raped or nearly murdered), but I'm not going to start treating all potential romantic partners like they aren't even human because of it. Do you think it would give me a free pass to do so? Because being hurt like I've been is a lot worse than being called a pig.
No. I don't have a free pass to hurt complete strangers and neither do you. Take responsibility for your own actions, because no one is holding a gun to your head. This is just BS justification people use to feel better about the terrible things they do, and it doesn't fly with me.
You know who else was a Nazi who was trying to recruit others into their secret fascist cabal?
That woman married to Bill Clinton?
The Red Skull?
Excellent.
"The progs are clearly itching for a fight"
Projection. What can't it explain?
(And don't tell me quantum mechanics, 'cause it does a pretty good job on that too.)
If they are going to label all of their opponents and even mild critics as Nazis then there is no incentive for those people to not go full Nazi.
Not only that, but it gives them cover to go violent on anyone that criticizes them. Since they're "fighting Nazis" and all that.
Never go full Nazi!
3/4 Nazi?
No, they won't.
Because they're not Nazis.
The folks labeling everyone as 'nazis' are the ones in danger of going 'full nazi' because they're the one who are actually on that type of path. They're scapegoating like mad. They WANT fascistic economic reforms. They WANT a society where orthodoxy is rigidly enforced.
By erasing any distinctions between conservatives and actual neo-nazis they are destroying rational debate
DestroyING? I'd say that ship has already sailed.
Which is funny, because most of the violence i've seen recently has been by the left.
not that i'm surprised, its just i'm wondering who buys their "We're the peaceful ones" bullshit.
*Shia Lebouf screams "WE'RE PEACEFUL" in your ears*
I've only seen the still from that encounter so don't know if the other guy assaulted LaBeouf first, but LaBeouf is clearly assaulting (though not battering) the other guy.
*punches Shia Labouf in the face as hard as I can*
Not for screaming at me, mind you, but for being Shia Lebouf.
But did you remember to count all those instances of racist Trump supporters attacking minorities while yelling "TRUMP", despite those stories turning out to be a load of bullshit each time? Because that's real violence!
I'm genuinely shocked that this was covered by George Stephanopopolous' news team in some manner other than "violent Trump supporters". I guess it gets to a point where even lying by omission is impossible to get away with.
Their response is that this either isn't violence or is self-defense, because the system is committing violence against them, or Trump supporters are, even if it's just words. Just today, I saw an acquaintance make a facebook post telling people not to believe "their" attempts to call window smashing and property destruction violence, and that it was just a reaction to the system. She then outlined things that are violence, which included hunger, poverty, homelessness, no access to healthcare, etc.
Basically anything bad is violence, and anything good isn't. With "good" and "bad," of course being defined by them, and as such not always lining up with what one might think those terms mean.
I've had a pretty in-depth conversation with a openly Marxist guy a long time ago at an Occupy event, and the basic premise is that you can't hold the 'oppressed' classes to the standards of the 'oppressor' class. When the 'oppressed' engage in active violence, it's to tear down the system and justified, when the oppressor does it it's to enforce the system, and therefore evil. It's the oldest justification in human history, I get to be a monster in order to fight monsters.
You mean like how black people can't be racist now?
yeah, clearly self defense.
Yeah, ISIS makes a similar argument re: crusaders and jews. They're just 'reacting' to the systemic oppression. Beheading is a purely defensive behavior.
I agree with you Gil. I'm just explaining the crazy rationalizations.
i know. my reaction re: the crazy rationalizations remains, "i can't believe anyone buys that shit for a second", its so shallow.
"i can't believe anyone buys that shit for a second", its so shallow.
And yet Trump is the President and a shitbag of women across the country marched about it.
i think the technical term for a large crowd of indignant menopausal females is a "chattering" or "flock"
that said.... i actually have a different read on the "Women's March" = that its not really about Trump as much as it was about "hillary not winning"... and that White Women were really just overdue to re-assert their primacy in the Progressive Stack, feeling that they've been sidelined by BLM and trannies etc., and really needed to have a good group hug/cry session where they remind each other of how awesome they are YOU GO GIRL
shorter = it wasn't a 'protest', it was like a big book-club meeting.
i think the technical term for a large crowd of indignant menopausal females is a "chattering" or "flock"
Nope. Either a, "Barren," or a, "Flash."
I thought it was gaggle.
Herd.
Nag. Its a Nag of Women. See also, Proverbs 21:19.
The crazy rationalizations certainly contributed to Trump's election, and the reaction to the election, which led to the marches.
A gaggle if women? Perhaps a murder of women?
This just in from Out of Context News: Reason commenters promote murder of women! Chatter about wood chippers overheard.
It's so shallow, but it entirely justifies negative behaviour in a way that appeals emotionally. "I'm the hero in my own story" and all that.
In order to enact evil one must view themselves as the victim of another, thus justifying their actions. This is true of every villainous person, I imagine.
The same logic as the "minorities can't be racist" garbage.
2+2=5
This is what happens when you get your political beliefs from comedy skits.
I threw it on the ground. I'm an adult. I ain't gonna be a part of this system, maaaaan.
thanks for reminding me of that. that and Ras Trent were the only things i really liked from him
If there has been any violence perpetrated by Trump supporters I haven't seen it.
oh, its there. its just that almost every case its being baited.
depending on how much credence you give to the O'keefe videos showing DNC ops bragging about their 'agent provocateur' activities @ trump events, or the suspiciously-timed burning of black churches (by a black dude pretending to be a trump supporter)... its hard to say how much of what went down in 2016 was 'real' and what was contrived for effect.
I think all of those were shown to be false flag operations.
There is a hell of a difference in mentality between 'make america great again' which implies peace and prosperity and 'we must crush all of the secret nazis'. One is inclined towards peace and the other is not.
Isn't it amazing that what the press is up in arms about is that Russia supposedly "hacked" our election by exposing legitimate confidential e-mails that made their preferred candidate look bad, but there were only crickets about a video taped confession of people paying others to incite riots in order to influence the election right here in our own goddamned country?
We get shoddy "proof" of the former, but concrete evidence of the latter isn't enough for action.
Is there a single corroborated claim of non-lefty violence? I don't recall one.
I'm against most of these things, especially the way these people define them. I am very much for liberty and equality. This is a classic case of projection.
Several of those concepts are opponents of liberty.
I think it should read "proponents of safe-spaces, etc."
Equality is a tricky one. It's laudable insofar as treatment under the law is concerned, in basically all other circumstances it's a Marxian justification for theft and murder. Egalitarianism as a social ideal is a poisonous delusion.
This is the first instance I've seen of these assholes trying to co-opt the term liberty.
Seriously?
Prog-jection.
I doubt anyone outside their little SJW groups even has a clue what the fuck intersectional activism is.
I wonder how many think it's just when people protest in the middle of an intersection.
Is that where people fight over bragging rights for who is the most oppressed, then tell the other, less oppressed groups that they have to shut up?
I once made the mistake of saying to a group of progs that anarcho-capitalism is the only philosophy that allows for the possibility that every person could be a responsible adult one day. I was informed that most people will never be adults and therefore shouldn't be given the opportunity, and moreover, that i was a privileged white male who hated poor people.
?\_(?)_/?
Well, have you stopped being a privileged white male who hates poor people?
I think so!
What are you, some kind of reverse Michael Jackson?
Anyone who's seen me dance would say yes.
You Moonwalk going forward?
No. He's Billie Jean's real baby-daddy.
The key word being "reverse," of course.
Kinda looks like they let slip who it is they think will never be responsible adults.
Yeah, but i was too bored of getting Yelled At to point this out.
I was informed that most people will never be adults and therefore shouldn't be given the opportunity
More prog-jection. They assume since they'll never be responsible adults that no one else will either.
This is where I typically reply by saying something along the lines of, "If you believe that the mere facts of being white and male irrespective of culture or socioeconomic factors lends 'privilege', what you're also saying is that the smartest, richest, healthiest non-white person can never hope to aspire to the capabilities of an alcoholic, retarded, high-school drop-out if the latter is a white man. Which is another way of saying that white men are inherently superior to all other races and sexes. You know who else believes that?"
Nonsense!! Anarcho-capitalists have the utmost LOVE of the poor!! Especially the orphaned!! WHO ELSE WOULD POLISH OUR MONOCLES?!
One expects that if the School of Social Welfare wasn't involved, KU would say so.
^This.
I hope someone can document that this was an inside job and leaks the evidence.
Or it could be they just don't know yet. It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be a bunch of grad students (or similar) inside the school who did it on their own.
*Disclosure: I'm a KU alum.
Rough game last night.
Yep. One of those nights I'm glad I didn't have cable.
For the first time this season, at least that I can remember, Mason's shot just wasn't falling. They'll be fine, but it was fugly last night.
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I am thrilled that enough people are using the term anarcho-capitalist that someone in the progressive establishment even noticed.
As a pathetic beaten down libertarian, I have to view this as a step forward. Thank you sir may I have another?
Way to see the silver lining. Cheers!
Now get back in your closet!!
But the gimp's sleeping.
Well, I guess you're gonna have to go wake him up now, won't you?
Careful now, you don't want to get Richard Spencered.
Reminds me of reading about the Anarchists Union during the Spanish Civil War, or bolshevik anarchists, or other such oxymorons.
Meh. Anarchism is consistent with Marxist ideology, it's the end goal after all. The whole point they screw up on is the middle game of "and then we'll have a state that breaks down the economic division of society and then magically fades away", ignoring basic human incentives (which they reject by saying you can magically change the nature of man).
There are also left-wing non-Marxist anarchist movements, and they have a long history. But your central point here is correct in that their vision of society is always one of the following (or a combination): straightforwardly horrific to any sane person (e.g. violently eliminating or suppressing anyone who opposes them), relies on unrealistic expectations for human behavior, or essentially establishes a state without calling it a state.
Oh, I'm well aware of the other anarchist stuff, blah blah Icelandic Commonwealth and all that. I'm just saying that anarchist is technical the core utopian future Marxists want, so it's not an oxymoron, but their way of getting there sure is. They're not hypocrites, just naive idealists.
Sigh, *I'm just saying that anarchism is technically the core utopian future Marxists want.
And the first ones to be stood against the wall.
but not the capitalist part where people are allowed to own shit.
This is rather important.
The whole point they screw up on is the middle game of "and then we'll have a state that breaks down the economic division of society and then magically fades away", ignoring basic human incentives (which they reject by saying you can magically change the nature of man).
This right here is the biggest reason why Marx was a blithering idiot. His entire philosophy was unworkable horseshit because it requires the creation of a "New Man." Any philosophy that literally requires you to make make people better is doomed to failure.
Didn't he start off wrong with his labor theory of value, that the value of something depends entirely on the work put into making it, with no regard for what people actually wanted? Ie, if I put 500 hours into building a random pile of junk, society should pay me for 500 hours of labor instead of the scrap value which is all anybody would pay for it.
As much as i appreciate the philosophical contributions of 19th century American individualist anarchists like Lysander Spooner, they were into labor theory of value too. It was a shock to them when the Marxists kicked them out of the First International.
Didn't know that. I've never read any Marx and very little Spooner, and when I first heard of the LTV, it knocked my socks off -- it just seems so obvious that everything is worth exactly what you can sell it for, no more, no less. I can understand someone being pissed at a low price for something he's sweated hundreds of hours into, but to base economics abd rational decisions on it? Just seems so damned bizarre and unrealistic.
Adam Smith thought LVT was a thing too. And in a reasonably well functioning market, it will look like a reasonable explanation (because competition will drive margins to be similar everywhere), even that's a reversion of causes and effects.
The big change came with marginal utility theory, but that took until B?hm-Bawerk.
Adam Smith discussed the 'diamonds and water' paradox (why is a necessity like water cheaper than diamonds?), which touched upon marginal utility. Alfred Marshall, who was writing at the same time as Marx, is generally credited with coining the term and 'inventing' marginal utility theory.
Marx posits that each work-product has a "social cost" - i.e. essentially the average amount of time workers working in good faith take to make a thing. Some people take more time, some less, but the "social value" is absolute and constant.
Absolute and constant over time and space, or just space? Marx did seem to understand social evolution somewhat so it would seem a bit odd for him to posit that the value of a thing is constant over time.
Marx posited the idea of 'socially necessary labor' as a sort of cop out of the failures if LVT. However, he then proceeded to acts like work was either socially necessary or not, and if it was, the quantity of work determined value.
In fact, it's the quantity of 'social necessity' of the product that determines its value entirely.
Marx's understanding of capital was borderline retarded. He never realized that the big service capitalists rendered that earned them their profit was risk absorption. Workers take no financial risk. They get paid a fixed wage for work and don't have to give it back if the firm fails to turn a profit. Investors however can lose everything they put in no matter how little or hard they work. Now, rich people with money to piss away are more willing to take that risk than poor people. That's why capitalists tend to be wealthier than workers: they have to be to be willing to risk enough money to be a capitalist, not because of systemic class oppression.
Yes. And what's sad is that Adam Smith had already introduced the superior idea of the marginal utility theory of value well before Marx ever wrote. Marx's entire theory was refuted before he was born. In the words of Keynes, he was the slave of some defunct economist (in this case, David Ricardo).
Lena Dunham has a plan to make better men. Unfortunately, Odell Beckham, jr. isn't willing to play along.
It is the same horseshit and rationale the left engaged in everywhere. The irony of that is that they are calling other people nazis.
AnComs and AnCaps I think I've managed to figure out. Both arrive at the conclusion of statelessness, but from different angles.
The AnCap is the peaceful one, who starts with a basic tenant of non-violence, which evolves into the NAP or something like it, and then expands that logic to government force and coercion and comes to an stateless conclusion that way.
The AnCom starts out resenting some sort of hierarchy. This expands into a hatred of all hierarchies, which then expands into a demand to end every type of hierarchy. This includes voluntary hierarchies (like religions or businesses) but the State is also a hierarchy so they oppose that as well. Sure, the idea of a hierarchy-less society is literally impossible, but that's the angle their coming from.
This has all been interesting and news to me. I come at being an "anarchist" from (a) government having proven itself incompetent so many times that now the shoe is on the other foot and statists must prove the utility and competence of government, and (b) self-ownership, from which you can derive property (the fruit of my self-owned labor) and individualism, ie, anarchy.
I primarily separate people into anarchists (NAP, no coercive state, ie no state) and statists (some government must do things unasked for). I see no contradiction with anarchists engaging in self-defense, or chasing down thieves and assaulters and others violating their self-ownership; those who deny my self-ownership have forfeited some portion of their own.
The difference is the coercion. I understand that self-defense before or after the fact is coercion, but it is still self-defense of an individual. My problem with statists is they think some subset of people, the self-selected elites, are empowered to define social self-defense, which means a coercive government, taxes, state police and courts, and so on. You can't have a coercive state without assigning authority to that state which no individual has -- kidnapping, theft, killing.
Nothing says "I'm a Nazi!" like citing and praising the works of Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. Fucking hell these people are dense.
ancaps are fine with minorities owning and using capital. I dont think nazis had that as part of their economic platform.
AnCap: "Racism is a form of collectivism."
Proglodyte: "So you're saying you're a Nazi."
To be fair, Reason has slimed Rothbard as a white nationalist because of his support for Pat Buchanan, "Paleolibertarianism" and the Ron Paul newsletter thing.
Tell the retarded 50 yr old guy getting the shopping carts from the parking lot at the grocery store that he is privileged. riiiight
I get the distinct feeling that a not just a few of those on the left would just love to load us onto cattle cars along with everyone to the right of Trotsky.
The giveaway being that now and then one will come right out and say it.
I know it's way too late on this, but....
No, ALL of those on the left would love to load us onto cattle cars. Some of them just don't realize it yet.
Looks like KU got to the alt-text, too.
I think it was Hihn.
Check with robc, he's getting over an Hihnfection. (snickers)
I hope you have some antihihnstamines for him doc.
If only there were some forms of hihnoculation.
He's getting worse! Take him down to hihntensive care!
And we go to the judges to weigh in on whether this deserves a narrowing...
Rufus, what do you think?
But are those judges hindependent?
From that Days of Rage article someone linked to earlier:
"Lefties say, "Well, that's Nazis, they only do that to Nazis; Nazis are different, you have to shut that shit down, etc." Great. Except that Lefties pull the same "shut this shit down!" stuff on mainstream Righties on college campuses, all the while calling them Nazis.
Hell, Lefties said Ted Cruz was a Nazi, Mitt Romney was a Nazi, George W. Bush was a Nazi. I've done human rights work that had me working in proximity to the U.S. military, so at a professional meeting a Lefty called me a Nazi.
So if you tell me that I'm a Nazi, and tell me people I respect are Nazis, and tell me you're in favor of going out and beating up Nazis, guess what? I am suddenly very interested in the physical safety of Nazis.
And I'm Jewish."
That's a pretty fascinating piece, and I suspect it's closer to the truth than I'd hope. The left has gone fully lunatic.
Yeah, it's more like a non sequitur.
Totally batshit?
Alt text
We've come a long way as a species.
I am not seeing it.
We evolved from ancestors who lovingly worshiped a monolith of alien origin into humans turning away from a concrete monolith of our own construction.
I'm not even really sure where I was going with it other than "apes near monoliths."
Maybe I'll become famous and some English teacher somewhere will try to interpret my work for the benefit of the class.
"You see, he was saying here that in Trump's America, white people turned away from our urban centers, made of concrete, where once stood a beautiful ebony symbol of our unity and love. Do you think he was a racist for using an animated image depicting apes, or was it in recognition of his scientific understanding of evolution? I expect papers from all of you on this topic on Friday. Stay woke. Class dismissed."
We evolved from ancestors who lovingly worshiped a monolith of alien origin into humans turning away from a concrete monolith of our own construction.
Evolved my big toe.... it's a bunch of apes stroking a large, narrow obelisk. The only thing that's evolved is what ultimately gets us to stroking the obelisk these days.
It was meant to be a joke, after all.
It wasn't that long ago that they were all lined up around the Washington Monument stroking it lovingly for all the power it represented while The One polished his pen and phone. A different group of apes are now stroking the same obelisk, while a bunch of pussy-hatted angry protesters threaten to tear it all down as a symbol of the patriarchy.
We live in strange times, sir.
Eat chalk Jayhawk!
Is there any political idea progressives disagree with that isn't called fascist or nazi?
Yes. Actual fascists and nazis.
Oh, I am sorry. You said disagree with.
In that case, no.
If the left keeps increasing the demonization of those who disagree with them and becoming increasingly militant and violent themselves this won't end well. Keep building that straw man and eventually you feel justified in burning him. This is a common pattern we have seen many times.
And your own demonizing ......
That's not demonizing, that's objective fact.
See any of the riots and violence since Trump (spit take) was elected.
More demonizing. (spit take)
Go fuck yourself. And that's just from election day.
(Here's a free hint: the spit take was in obvious disgust of Trump.)
Which is why you were called out for demonizing!
Some are too radicalized at this point to see how far they've gone. I really do believe that something awful will have to happen that will wake up some of those who've just been blindly following along. Just going by some of the people I've heard, a lot of them are still on the 'we just want equal rights for everyone, how can you disagree?" train, and they never see any of the bad consequences we do. So it's going to take some thing big and horrible that can break the bubble and make them realize that there has to be a line where saying "we don't like oppression" can't be the same as "murdering a bunch of people". But unfortunately until someone crosses that line, they're just going to shout down anyone trying to be moderate. Maybe I'm just being cynical or pessimistic, but the rhetoric certainly seems far too jihadi right now, for someone to not do something about it.
"Someone to not do something about it" -- meaning, some sort of radical take violent action against someone they perceive to be a fascist enemy. I didnt' mean pre-emptively set the cops on them, that was unclear.
Charlie Manson, the SLA and the incident at Altamont (among others) sure seemed to help put an end to this shit in the late 60s. I assume that is where we're heading. Its too easy for genuine psychopaths, rapists and violent idiots to mimic the SJW shit, ingratiate themselves to it, then take advantage of people who want to believe.
Hell, look at the so-called Antifa - a crew made up almost entirely of men, with a predilection for violence. Mix that in with a whole lot of followers and hangers on who support that shit, and its bound to combust into something ugly.
1) 'Anarcho capitalists' are a "hate group"?
2) when they refer to posts, i don't understand what they mean - are they talking about online speech? other people's campus flyers? its not clear.
apparently no one is expected to find it at all odd that a flyer from an entirely anonymous source is supposed to be credible when its targeting other political groups.
you'd think it would be a total-giveaway that the people behind this are less trustworthy than the people they slander. because if you're so confident in the rectitude of your message, why would you need to hide?
1) 'Anarcho capitalists' are a "hate group"?
They are especially mad about being called a "group." Fucking collectivists.
When will they have time to complain about that? The news keeps telling me that anarchists are the ones running around during the protests breaking store front windows and torching limousines. They seem like they've got their hands full with all the rioting.
Anarchy qua anarchy is a fun excuse for angry kids to wear black and break shit. Anarcho-capitalists are too busy working, and besides, we respect property rights.
It's also an excuse to spray-paint stylized A's everywhere without understanding the meaning of the symbol.
It's not unlike chanting "Love trumps hate" and flashing peace signs while simultaneously saying it's OK to "Punch a Nazi in the face" and burn shit that belongs to other people.
Then they came for our symbols. Is there anything the left can't ruin?
As someone who grew up in Europe in the 80's and 90's, it's disturbing to see the same brand of "anarchism" that we've been intimately familiar with hit US shores.
It's almost identical: same outfits, same names, and they use the same tactics like destruction of private property. They have the same message, that capitalism equals fascism, and they also use the same symbolism, almost all of which was lifted from the Soviet Union.
Anarchists and supposed anti-fascists waving flags with the hammer-and-sickle always seemed kind of odd to me.
I'm surprised no one has reported these flyers.
Real nazis were the opposite of anarchists: everything tightly controlled by the state, very organized, meticulous record keeping. These people just throw words out there with no glimmer of what words mean.
This is a false depiction of the flyer. Yes, many bigots, racial and otherwise, call themselves anarcho-capitalists, which is well known. This does not suggest, in any way, that anarcho-capitalists are racist. And why the Witch Hunt against the flyer's sponsors?
All drivable Chevrolets are automobiles. But not all automobiles are Chevrolet.
Some are Chevys.
Then we agree. SOME anarcho-capitalists are bigots.
If that's the message, the writers need to go back to their Middle School English class, because they did a piss-poor job of getting their message out.
Reading is taught in the elementary grades.
Bigot =/= Nazi
You get it too! (Even though Nazi = Bigot)
I know for a fact that Hitler slept in a bed. You probably sleep in a bed too.
You know who else slept in a bed?
Setting aside everything else, they still advocate removing any post referencing anarcho-capitalists. Which means they're assuming an-cap = hate group and that this needs to be removed.
and by "well known", you mean = "asserted sans any argument or proof whatsoever"
e.g.
"It is well known people named Dave Nolan are lying sacks of shit."
this is not to impugn you in particular. there are many people named Dave Nolan.
No reply is needed.
Whatever.
then we agree
He's studied at the Michael Hihn school of "debate".
No.
You are the worst sockpuppeteer in the history of H&R, Michael Hihn.
Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small Minds discuss people.
Empty minds spout empty platitudes.
You did it again.
I've heard of a Nazi named David Nolan, therefore all David Nolan's should be sucker-punched.
But you're not a Nazi? (or equivalent)
So... anyone who disagrees with the proggie SJW left is a "nazi," and since it's OK to punch nazis in the head, then it's OK to use violence against anyone who disagrees with the SJWs.
That's the end game they're going for with this shit. It's not going to end well for anyone, least of all them.
God dammit. SF'ed the link.
You know you've fucked up when you San-Francisco-Chronicled something.
Bitch, you better learn.
I'm for this as long as it includes SJWs who disagree with each other. I mean ..... I mean, if some SJW finds another SJW stepping outside the bounds of decency, isn't it every SJW's duty to start a fight?
The revolution always eats its own.
A consolation is that most of these people aren't in tip-top fighting shape and most of them are deathly afraid of guns.
That's kind of what I was implying with the whole "It's not going to end well for anyone, least of all them." Their obsession with gun control starts to make sense when you realize that they're wet dream is being able to round up everyone they hate into cattle cars and fire up the ovens.
One would fucking hope. Last time around, they basically got away with it and ended up being given free rein to teach a new generation to hate and murder. Three generations of psychopaths is enough.
It just blows my mind that shit like this happens at the same time that our country is having a remarkably serious debate over whether or not it's okay to punch nazis. And that discussion is everywhere. CA linked The Nation. Popehat is having same fight. The debates don't really seem like a bunch of internet tough-guy shit; it seems like huge numbers of people generally believe it's acceptable.
But somehow, the pro-nazi-punching crowd never can wrap their mind around the possibility that they are the next ones who will be called nazi. Or that the same justification for punching nazis is easily applied to BLM, anti-abortion protestors, etc.
FWIW, I'll admit to being somewhat mixed on nazi-punching. I can't promise i wouldn't do it, but I do realize it would be wrong. I don't have mixed feelings on my belief that punch-and-run is the exclusive domain of pussies.
"School of Social Welfare"
This is REAL?!?!
As real as "School of Hard Knocks"?!
I got my PhD in Progressive Tricknology there.
Sounds more important than School Of Agriculture Subsidies
Is it wrong that I oppose the idea of a School of Social Welfare in general?
Actually, I take that back. Social work is actually work, even if the schools are breeding grounds for SJWs. It's the ethnic/gender/furry studies programs that set my teeth on edge.
Now I have to take back my taking back.
I went to undergrad at a place where they were implementing a new Philanthropy major right when I was graduating.
Tear it all down. State universities need to be just technology institutes for STEM and with some technical associates degrees.
Private universities can still do the liberal arts stuff - which is useful for the most part, we just don't need ten million Native American Dance grads running around.
Philanthropy major?
Are they training the people who try to extract the donations or the ones with so much money they don't know what to do?
I imagine that it's training for doing development work for nonprofits and the like, continuing a trend of hyper-specializing education for fixed roles.
Chau Sara protocol; the leftists carry out their long march through the institutions, as they do. If your institution becomes infested, it gets vaporized from orbit.
+1 Queen of Blades
Fucking white ciswomen, trying to take over our horde. Zergling lives matter.
The development of a critical perspective
But not critical of leftwing orthodoxy. Because anyone who steps out of line = NAZI.
1. so make arguments that violence against nazis is acceptable
2. Greatly expand the definition of nazis to everyone you don't like
Don't wanna get punched in the face, then don't be a Nazi.
Shouldn't have been on the street with that haircut.
Don't wanna be a Nazi, then don't have Hitler hair. Also, don't be bald.
You mean a proper haircut?
My brother's a big snarky progressive these days, yugely anti-Trump, but he's been getting himself and his son those alt-right haircuts for a couple months now.
You mean a proper haircut?
Spencer's hair is being used as Hitler-like (which it may be in his case), but having similar hair to Hitler is a low bar for violence. And yet...
This is what you get, when you mess with us.
Phew. For a minute there, i lost myself.
Laugh and shun these people. Laugh and shun.
LOLWhut?
Must be part of the College of Grievance Mongering.
One wonders what the Deans get paid.
Well, RC isn't starving to death; but he was smart enough to get a useful degree and parlay that into a demonstrable, in demand profession.
*chuckles at the thought of RC wearing a Pussy Hat screaming about militant FEELZ and alt-religious pronounism*
So what's the over/under on these people nominating an actual Nazi or fascist in 2020 and being completely un-selfaware enough to think they're the ones in the right?
Sanders was pretty close
He's more of a Trotskyite.
I imagine Hillary did want to put an ice axe in him.
They already nominated a fascist in 2016 without a hint of self awareness.
Oh wait, I forgot, womyn can't be fascists. /sarc
I don't think there's been a non-fascist president since at least Coolidge.
This reminds me of reading FDR's anti-fascist speech emblazoned on his memorial in Washington DC and thinking how easily those same words could have been thrown back in his face considering everything he had done.
"Ancaps... I hate these guys."
The School of Social Welfare has secret nazis running amok on its campus? Uh huh. Didn't some other bastion of social justice get invaded by people wearing kkk uniforms that no one could find? Or was that scary clowns?
There's probably more actual KKK members and sovereign citizens than there are anarcho-capitalists. Even if they were everything the flyer claims they are, I'm sure they're the campus of University of East Bumblefuck is exactly where they'd be concentrating their efforts.
I'm a big fan of safe spaces. Having them in the same room makes for a more efficient use of the Zyklon B. That much quicker to the master race.
Watch out. Those types don't know what sarcasm is.
"normative"
Derptard alarm
No shit. They could have just used the word "normal" instead and then it would have meant what they intended it to mean. Fucking idiots trying to sound smarter than they really are. I'm sure their thought process was something like "normal is only 2 syllables, while normative is 3 syllables, so let's use the word normative here because then we'll look, like, totes smart!" Fucking morons.
A "norm" is not the same as "normal"
normal
1.
conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
norm
1.
something that is usual, typical, or standard.
What about Norm?
He's OK, for a Canadian.
Its maybe informative to note that this person is also so unbelievably stupid and/or intellectually-dishonest that they would characterize "Criticism of an anonymous flyer" as a 'Witch Hunt'.
Sort of hard to persecute sponsor/authors when they refuse to identify themselves.
And, of course, the irony of him ignoring that the flyer itself was calling for a witch hunt.
Why I bet this guy has never been to a proper witch hunt in his life.
It was more than criticism.
Which is why trying to identify them is a witch hunt.
Norm is a standard. Normal is an outcome. The synonyms may clarify it for you
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/norm
benchmark
criterian
measure
model
pattern
rule
barometer
gauge
mean
meadian
medium
par
scale
touchstone
yardstick
While the person who wrote the flyer was obviously an idiot, normative isn't a synonym for normal.
Normal is a state. Normative is the collective attitude that creates that state. It's an attempt to lock in a current counter-culture "normal" as a future normal too by changing culture.
For example, giving millennials participation trophies as children wasn't normal at the time. It was a new experiment in educating children. The normative proggy influence in schools established it until it became "normal."
Another literate one!
"Look, mommy, anti-fascists behaving like fascists"
Horseshoe theory.
It isn't even really a theory. Fascism is a hybrid, where left-wing tactics are used in service of right-wing causes.
Is it just me or are the people who spend most of their time calling other people Nazis are the ones most acting like Nazis
Yeah! Fight the power! Speak truth to power! *laces up jackboots* Punch a Nazi! Woooo! #notmypresident. Burn that limousine! Yeah, that'll show the system!
Has this approach ever created more allies than enemies?
Yes? viz, the SJWs (for a while, at least).
So I take it these flyers were allowed to remain by the administration (no mention of them being removed). And I assume a flyer saying similar things about "code words" that might indicate communist leanings would be allowed to remain as well.
*cough* I didn't think so.
Also, some people (the aforementioned "alt-right", etc., groups) might consider the flyers as hate speech directed at them. So I assume they should be encouraged to tear them down.
Hate speech protocol sure is difficult.
University of Kansas School of Social Welfare
I think I finally know what's the matter with Kansas.
Tell the Nazis you live at 1060 West Addison.
+106 years
alt-right, anarcho-capitalists, white nationalists, or any other hate group
People who believe in voluntary trade are "haters"...
The racist lab equipment from Bowling Green, Kentucky has moved to Kansas!
I mean, I've heard of nazi scientists, but now it's the scientific instruments themselves which have gone bad.
Oh, it's in Ohio, not Kentucky. Even more suspicious!
"It concludes with a warning that those who remain neutral will be considered allies of the oppressors."
This reminds me of a case I was once involved in. The plaintiff was attempting to sign up coworkers as witnesses to the "hostile work environment" the plaintiff was allegedly experiencing. As an added incentive, he warned his coworkers that if they did not agree to testify on his behalf, they would be "harassing" him and would be named as additional defendants in this lawsuit.
"Given the violent and dangerous nature of groups such as this, it is imperative that we do not allow their presence to become normative."
Normative: an adjective meaning "based on what is considered to be the usual or correct way of doing something."
So they are saying that it is "imperative that we do not allow {Nazi} presence to become based on what is considered to be the usual or correct way of doing something."
This must have come from the School of Social Work. Only professors of social work could screw up the English language this badly.
"Anarcho-Capitalist" means "Fascist National Socialist". Are there even dictionaries on campuses these days?
Since words have been largely defined by white men throughout history, they are a sure symptom of white, cis-hetero patriarchy and thus should be shunned.
That's actually true. To the left, all white people are inherently racist. So what's the difference?
Anarchists are the ones who bomb wall street (even way back in the 1920s). Hell, Occupy Wall Street was anarchist. Thus anarcho-capitalist is an oxymoron, an empty set, a non-concept. Idiots.
Obviously, anything they don't understand is their enemy, so ancaps are no different TO THEM from neo-nazis.
Or, "The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy."
Is it hate speech to call them idiots?
Just send me to the gulag already and quit talking about it.
Prog is code word for communist
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But, in fact, Nazi is the abbreviation for NAtional soZIalistische - National Socialist. The Nazi party's full name is NAtional soZIalistische deutsche arbeiter partei - which literally translates from German as the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
The left-wing - Socialists - hate the fact that the Nazi party espoused violence - their brownshirts - against those who refuse to follow their left-wing agenda. Modern day socialists are still using the Nazi strategy of violence. They also have the same Nazi strong social programs, strong gun control agenda, strong government control of education, and the same strong emphasis on government jobs and worker's rights as modern socialists. So they frequently try to mislead, dissemble, lie by referring to Nazi as right-wing whereas in truth Nazi is actually liberal left-wing and socialist.
But, in fact, Nazi is the abbreviation for NAtional soZIalistische - National Socialist. The Nazi party's full name is NAtional soZIalistische deutsche arbeiter partei - which literally translates from German as the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
The left-wing - Socialists - hate the fact that the Nazi party espoused violence - their brownshirts - against those who refuse to follow their left-wing agenda. Modern day socialists are still using the Nazi strategy of violence. They also have the same Nazi strong social programs, strong gun control agenda, strong government control of education, and the same strong emphasis on government jobs and worker's rights as modern socialists. So they frequently try to mislead, dissemble, lie by referring to Nazi as right-wing whereas in truth Nazi is actually liberal left-wing and socialist.
The distinction between extreme left and extreme right is academic. The axis you need to views this on is "minarchist/libertarian" to "totalitarian/illiberal". Nazis, socialists, communists, monarchists, and theocrats all cluster at the "totalitarian/illiberal" end. Whether their illiberal beliefs are motivated by Christ or Marx makes little difference in the end.
"normative"
That word, from what I've seen, is used almost exclusively by snotty little guilt-peddlers.
-jcr
shit, they've discovered our secret fascist cabal...who spilled the beans? now we have to find a new secret sub base or mountain schloss...do you know how much secret bases cost these days?
Apparently, our vast right wing conspiracy is failing. Back to the drawing board.
Didn't you know? Everybody who is not a N?a?z?i? progressive is a Nazi!
It's not "hyperbolic", it's bizarre. Nazism is almost by definition authoritarianism+anti-capitalism; anarcho-capitalists are the complete opposite.
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