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We Went to the Democratic Debate in New Hampshire and Talked to Bernie Sanders Supporters

UNH students are Feeling the Bern, hating the fossil fuels, and bearish on Hillary Clinton.

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Reason was on the scene of last night's Democratic

Bernie Sanders Rally at UNH
Anthony L. Fisher

presidential debate held at the University of New Hampshire (UNH). Prior to the punchy MSNBC-moderated debate between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, supporters of both candidates rallied on campus. 

The pro-Clinton crowd topped out at a modest 20-30, while the pro-Sanders group peaked at about 300 fervent demonstrators mainly focused on climate change and "keeping fossil fuels in the ground."

The Sanders supporters were loud, boisterous and frequently chanted in concert with a 7-piece marching band made up of middle-aged folks in colorfully eccentric attire. All of the demonstrators we spoke to were UNH students, many of whom would not commit to supporting Clinton if she ended up being the Democratic nominee. While they were all passionate about the environment, health care, and student loan relief, almost none of them were able to articulate how the democratic socialist senator from Vermont would be able to achieve or afford any of the policies they so passionately support.

A student holding a pink Planned Parenthood sign said she believes Sanders "has a good heart and that's something the country needs right now." When asked why Sanders has generated so much support among young people, she answered, "I think a lot of reasons college students support him is his stance on lowering tuition rates or getting rid of them completely. People are concerned it'll raise taxes too much, but by giving people the opportunity to go to school to get a better job, they'll pay those taxes. It'll pay for itself." She added that if Clinton were the nominee, should would probably vote for the Green Party candidate. 

A UNH student, who told us he is originally from the UK but a citizen of the US and a registered Democrat, said he believes Sanders' health care plan (which by Sanders' own estimate would cost upwards of $1.38 trillion annually) will be fully-funded "if he taxes Wall Street like he says he would. He's going to tax the right people. Take the money away from the 1%, bring it back to the 99%, and restart democracy like our forefathers."

Giselle, a junior, said Sanders' health care plan is feasible because "If we can spend a trillion dollars on war, we can go into debt for health care." She added, "Hillary isn't committed to stopping fossil fuel extraction. The technology is out there if we invest in it to provide for our energy needs without extracting fossil fuels."

Dominick, a senior, said he's supporting Sanders, but that he's really supporting climate awareness and that Clinton's support for fracking disqualifies her from receiving his vote. When asked if he thought renewable energies would generate enough power to light up the entire country's electrical grid, he replied, "Oh absolutely, we're always looking for new inventions, I think more money is going to solar and wind, you also have composting and hydrothermal vents."

A trans student named Kal told us he supports Bernie because "he has the strongest stance on fossil fuels and climate change. He also was one of the first candidates to say Black Lives Matter, and his stance on the living wage and various things that make life better for people who are not on the top of the economy." Kal added, "I don't know if I'd support Hillary. She hasn't yet said she would keep all fossil fuels in the ground, which is important for me to have life on earth continue. The amount of fossil fuels we have already dug up is enough to roast the earth more than one time once. We don't need to keep drilling."

A student holding up a sign protesting drone strikes and the Democrats' policy regarding Palestine said that he is a socialist who is not supporting either Democratic candidate, "I don't think Bernie is a progressive or a socialist. He's supported interventions in Bosnia and Somalia. He supports the apartheid and occupation and war crimes in Palestine. He has told people who protested on behalf of Palestine to shut up. There's no progress in the Democratic Party. Bernie's the lesser evil compared to Hillary but he's still evil."

Tucked among the Bernie crowd was a young man wearing Donald Trump's signature "Make America Great Again" cap. When asked what the hell he was doing embedded within a Bernie Sanders rally, he said he's not a Trump supporter, but he does support the message on his hat. He added that he was raised conservative and is leaning toward voting for Ted Cruz, but could not name a single policy of Cruz's he supports and said he never talks politics on campus. 

As the hour approached for the debate to begin, we noticed a small and rather docile group of Hillary Clinton supporters about a hundred yards down the road. Few were willing to speak with reporters, but one student named David told us, "I think you look at Hillary's plans and they'll get through Congress. She's worked across the aisle. Bernie's great, but his stuff will never get passed. Hillary can get into office and get to work day one."

I'm a woman! She's a woman!
Anthony Fisher

A student named Alexa admitted her support for Hillary was purely about identity, "She has my full support because I'm a female and I think a woman should be in power."

During the debate itself, we left the confines of the media room and sat among about a hundred undergrads gathered for a debate viewing party in the student union. One of these students told us she believed "Hillary thinks she's entitled to be president, and Bernie's one of us." She added that there was considerable chatter among the student body that the decision to hold the event in the Johnson Theatre, as opposed to one of several larger venues on campus, was a deliberate attempt to limit the amount of pro-Sanders students at the debate. 

Overall, the UNH students we encountered seemed passionate, engaged in political action, and enjoying the thrill of a major party debate held on their campus on the eve of a key primary, including the spectacle of secret service motorcades and hundreds of members of the media descending on their cafeteria. It would be easy to roll one's eyes at their idealism or frequent inability to articulate the policies that motivate them to support their preferred candidates, but it's unlikely the general adult populace could do much better with a microphone stuck in their face. 

Sanders co-sponsored the Keep it In the Ground Act late last year, intended to "stop new drilling leases on public land in the West and in the Gulf of Mexico, Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic oceans." I must admit, I hadn't heard of this bill until today, but there's no question it was hands down the biggest hit of the UNH students we encountered prior to last night's debate. 

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  1. “sponsored the Keep it In the Ground Act late last year,”

    This sounds much better than the “keepin’ it real” act he sponsored back in the 90s.

    1. Or the “Keeping It In The Pants” act from the 1980s

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  2. Young people are dumb. I am speaking from past experience.

    1. “Those who have never been socialists by the time they’re 25 have no heart. Those who are still socialists after they reach 35 have no brains.” – common wisdom attributed to lots of different people.

      1. I had no heart. Voted for Reagan when I was 18, then began drifting towards libertarianism.

        1. Apparently me too. I’ve never voted for either major party.

        2. I voted for Reagan in my first presidential election because I was about to go into the army. My bleeding heart progressive mother actually said, “I can’t believe I carried you in my body for nine months so you could vote for a Republican!” She was not kidding. She may have largely forgiven me by now, but we don’t talk about it.

          1. My bleeding heart progressive mother actually said, “I can’t believe I carried you in my body for nine months so you could vote for a Republican!”

            Don’t take this the wrong way, but your mom’s kind of a bitch.

            1. I guess that makes me a son of a bitch?
              I am aware of that, but she’s getting better as she and my father progress through their eighties, so I’m letting it go.

          2. OMG – you are the original Alex P. Keaton!!!!!

            Let me guess – mom’s name is Elise, dad’s name is Michael.

            Amirite?

        3. Ditto Reagan Democrat from blue collar, union, steelmaking family. My friends and I were sick of ball-less leaders i.e. Carter and all voted for Ronnie. That pissed off a whole generation of Democrat voters.

        4. I was super left-wing as a youngster, and then went totally republican in my early 30s (blame it on working full-time with a college degree, paying plenty of taxes, and then finding out I brought home less than a neighbor who’d been on welfare for years).

          Thankfully, 8 years of Bush followed by 8 years of Obama cured me of even the last shred of respect for either party. Incredibly, the current field has managed to make me disdain them even more.

          I strongly believe government is the problem, never the solution, and consider myself a libertarian-anarchist.

      2. 26 and heartless bastard here. I was raised SoCon and as I later swung pro-gay / pro-drug I still never found any reason to believe the socialist shit about government being more economically productive than individuals.

      3. Those who have never been socialists by the time they’re 25 have no heart

        I guess I really am a heartless asshole then.

  3. “A student named Alexa admitted her support for Hillary was purely about identity, “She has my full support because I’m a female and I think a woman should be in power.”

    so why not support Fiorina?

    1. Because she’s not REALLY a woman. It only counts if your vagina thinks the right thoughts. Otherwise, you’re just an Aunt Tom.

    2. Fiorina is not a real woman, because it is not a Democrat. All goodthunked people know this !!!

      1. But wait… If Fiorina is not a “real” woman, doesn’t that make her a trans woman?!?

        *ducks and runs*

        1. Fiorina is trans in the sense that she transforms successful corporations into shitty ones.

          1. she transforms successful corporations into shitty ones

            Fiorina took the helm at HP in the 1980s?

    3. Alexa wants a woman to be in power – Fiorina is the sort that believes in individual empowerment, that Alexa maybe should take charge of her own life. Alexa ain’t buying that shit, she wants a master to look after her and take care of her.

      1. “Alexa…wants a master to look after her and take care of her.”

        Meet Alexa: the new face of feminism.

      2. Alexa ain’t buying that shit, she wants a master to look after her and take care of her.

        Yeah, instead of finding some rich man to be her sugar daddy and buy her shit and pay for everything, she wants the government to do that instead. That way she can be an “independent, empowered woman.” Don’t try to understand the logic, you’ll just give yourself an embolism.

        1. I actually understand her logic. The rich sugar daddy would expect to fuck her regularly in exchange for the free stuff he gives her. But the government would just fuck her over constantly. Alexa’s not into the whole sex-thing, so she prefers to get reamed more in the figurative sense.

          1. It doesn’t matter how ugly you are, the government will fuck you.

            1. +1 Government Beer Goggles Czar

          2. Alexa’s not into the whole sex-thing

            She probably is, just not the whole penetration with an icky gross penis thing.

      3. So what your saying is that Hillary is just a dominant male replacement for girls with daddy issues

    4. only liberals can be minorities

  4. These kids probably didn’t hear their savior Bernie admitting that he would have to tax the middle class to fund his free stuff project. It’s not feasible to just tax the icky 1%, whose earnings can fluctuate and often has ties to foreign accounts. I imagine the wealthy white liberals will be receptive to the Chinese and the Kremlin when they offer tax havens and other goodies.

    Bernie is like 100 years old and even his liberal state rejected single payer. A Sanders presidency will generate a tremendous amount of infighting between the wealthy white liberals (the one percent!) who run WS and the tech sector and the uneducated, poor dem base who has the political muscle to elect Bernie and support his socialist agendas.

    The 1% has always been mostly white and liberal. They spend a gazillion dollars to rape liberty and competition. They deserve Sanders more than the GOP establishment deserves Trump.

    1. Yeah, no kidding. It’s not at all surprising that he proposed a 6% payroll tax hike on national TV and his followers still believe he’s only taxing the rich. But it’s certainly disappointing.

  5. Libertarian Moment at UNH !!! Awesome !!!!

  6. Take the money away from the 1%, bring it back to the 99%, and restart democracy like our forefathers.

    “Re-institute slavery”, got it. You’re going to need slave labor when you undo all the progress of the Industrial Revolution and the Age of Enlightenment and then move on to undoing all the progress of the Cenozoic Era.

    If these kids are proof of exactly what a college education is worth, I have to say college should not just be free, they should get paid to go.

    1. Ignorant little twit is apparently unaware that our forefathers loathed democracy, they considered it little more than mob rule. What they instituted was a constitutional republic (if we could keep it – we couldn’t).

      1. Their forefathers are not our forefathers (intellectually speaking).

    2. “Take the money away from the 1%, bring it back to the 99%, and restart democracy like our forefathers.”

      I actually saw a meme on FB last week that stated that up through the 1950s, the top 5% paid 90% income tax and that’s how all of the country’s infrastructure got built and made for a thriving post-war economy.

      It was one of those moments where I did not even know how to react. I mean, where do you even begin to address an idea that wrong-headed?

      1. If they took all the money from the 1% and gave it to the 99%, in 20 years, the 1% would have all their money back.

      2. Most of them would cringe to know that most was paid for by war debt owed to us by other countries we helped out during WWII . England. France and others.

      3. I guess you could try explaining the facts – that it was a 90% marginal rate, not a 90% overall rate, and that it actually led to a lot of gaming of the system. But as they say, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.

        1. The easiest way to point out what you’re saying is to show that income tax revenue as a proportion of GDP has held steady at 15?20% since WW2. The biggest difference between then and now is not how the money is collected, but how it is spent.

      4. The beauty of that argument is you can turn it right back around and ask, “Where do you think all the tax breaks in our current system come from, and why do the rich spend so much time and effort acquiring political cronies to help keep them away from competition and laws they don’t like?”. If they can’t understand that, they are too stupid to talk to.

  7. When asked why Sanders has generated so much support among young people, she answered, “I think a lot of reasons college students support him is his stance on lowering tuition rates or getting rid of them completely. People are concerned it’ll raise taxes too much, but by giving people the opportunity to go to school to get a better job, they’ll pay those taxes. It’ll pay for itself.” Free Shit.

  8. When asked why Sanders has generated so much support among young people, she answered, “I think a lot of reasons college students support him is his stance on lowering tuition rates or getting rid of them completely. People are concerned it’ll raise taxes too much, but by giving people the opportunity to go to school to get a better job, they’ll pay those taxes. It’ll pay for itself.”

    Well, if it will pay for itself, then we don’t need to tax other people, because the students taking out the loans will be able to pay for them with their ‘better jobs’ when they graduate. Dumbass.

    1. That’s got to be the stupidest comment at all.

      Current system: People go to school with the expectation of higher earnings and spend 30 years paying for it through loans = massive injustice and probably racist, too.

      Ideal socialist system: People go to school with the expectation of higher earnings and spend the rest of their lives paying for it through taxes = the epitome of enlightened social justice

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      < Voluntary

      Guns

      But of course we’re the violent anti-social extremists.

      1. “That’s got to be the stupidest comment at all.”

        Meh. I’d give that prize to the comment about how “already enough fossil fuels have been extracted to roast the Earth three times over.”

        Okay, and how about your solar energy, then? How many times over could the Earth have been roasted by the FRIGGING SUN?!?! Plus the geothermal energy another idiot mentioned??? Let’s not forget that just a couple of billion years ago, the Earth was about 400 degrees and there was molten lava everywhere. But solar and geothermal are always safe…

        1. “already enough fossil fuels have been extracted to roast the Earth three times over.”

          I forgot about that one. Yeah, that’s the biggest facepalm worthy comment. I don’t see how anyone can talk to these people without feeling an overwhelming urge to punch them in face really hard.

      2. Because with taxes they think someone else is paying the bill for them. There;s always someone else more rich, paying more taxes (or there should be). People having to write a check is a lot more jarring than having it deducted from every pay.

    2. People are concerned it’ll raise taxes too much, but by giving people the opportunity to go to school to get a better job, they’ll pay those taxes. It’ll pay for itself.

      That was probably the biggest facepalm moment (although there were many to choose from). My follow up to this snowflake would be: what do you expect to happen to wages once everyone has a college degree? Part of the reason why college grads make more money than non graduates now is that not everyone has a degree. Once everyone has a degree, they won’t be worth nearly as much, and so – at best – we’ll be right back where we started, only with college degree’d burger flippers.

      Of course, I’m sure “snowflakes” rejoinder will be that “well, then we’ll just raise the minimum wage to, like, a ‘living wage’ or something.” At which point we won’t have degree’d burger flippers, we’ll have automated ordering kiosks and burger cooking machines, a handful of people to maintain the machines (the folks who got real degrees in engineering, computer science, etc.) and whole bunch of permanently unemployed and unemployable college graduates with Victim Studies degrees.

      What a stupid cunt.

      1. She would have to understand that market forces are a thing beyond gov control, therefore she will not understand your argument.

      2. “Part of the reason why college grads make more money than non graduates now is that not everyone has a degree. Once everyone has a degree, they won’t be worth nearly as much.”

        Right there is your problem. You’ve just illustrated the law of supply and demand. That’s a basic concept of economics. Economics is completely lost on these young people (and older ones like Bernie). You might as well base your argument on the mathematical equations of quantum physics or something.

        1. All they have to do to fix all the ills of life is pass a law in DC, but the Koch Brothers won’t let it happen.

  9. A UNH student, who told us he is originally from the UK but a citizen of the US and a registered Democrat, said he believes Sanders’ health care plan (which by Sanders’ own estimate would cost upwards of $1.38 trillion annually) will be fully-funded “if he taxes Wall Street like he says he would.”

    And there’s no way that the costs of a tax on every investment and every financial transaction will come back to the 99%.

    1. A UNH student, who told us he is originally from the UK

      1. Take the money away from the 1%, bring it back to the 99%, and restart democracy like our forefathers.

        This POME bastard must be talking about his limey forefathers … people like the coalition of Fabian socialists and Downton Abbey aristocrats like David Lloyd George, 1st Earl Lloyd-George of Dwyfor … because the American founding fathers were strong advocates of property rights, and were unanimously and resolutely against democracy for that reason.

        The startling ignorance of this student’s statement does not reflect well upon the professors and curriculum at UNH.

        1. It’s pretty easy to spot the young’uns who never took an economics class.

          1. In college I had an economics class and the professor admitted he was a socialist. A socialist teaching economics is like a Vegan teaching a Butchery class.

          2. The sad thing is some of them might have taken an econ class, but it was all Keynesian bullshit.

            1. Paul Samuelson – all econ 101 textbooks are written by Paul Samuelson.

              Still – after all these years.

          3. It’s pretty easy to spot the young’uns who never took, passed, and understood a microeconomics class.

            FTFY

      2. So, after the socialists have fucked up the UK, he wants to spread the insanity here.

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  11. the pro-Sanders group peaked at about 300 fervent demonstrators mainly focused on climate change and “keeping fossil fuels in the ground.”

    Shit – I’m glad I have a horse.

    1. The plan is to burn the bodies of the 1%. That won’t release carbon, because?as everybody knows?the 1% are some sort of freaky alien beings.

      1. the 1% are some sort of freaky alien beings.

        I thought they were lizard people. Or are lizard people aliens?

    2. The funny thing is the ones calling for a total fracking ban or even a total fossil fuels ban without any energy plan besides “green energy is good, right?” (even though there is no green energy infrastructure sufficient to supply a fraction of our energy needs) are the same ones who criticize Republicans for wanting to end the ACA without replacing it (even though there’s a completely functional private sector infrastructure already in place).

    3. So I took your fossil fuel products, such as your iPhone, which is about 50% plastics and manufactured in plants that run on fossil fuels, AND I THREW IT BACK INTO THE GROUND!

    4. How do the Sandernistas plan on getting plastics – from chopped liver?

      1. Bioplastics.

        … which require a lot more energy to produce
        … and are basically impossible without the sort of agricultural and industrial practices they decry
        … and would take up so much land that food prices would skyrocket

    5. Do they have any clue about the supply and quality of energy and health care after they implement their grand ideas?

      1. Do they have any clue about the supply and quality of energy and health care…?

        No.

    6. I am so seeing how they think UNH heats those buildings they are in in the winter?

      1. “I am wondering…”

        Fricken phone…

  12. “Bernie’s one of us.”

    Too funny that, to a 20-year-old undergraduate, a 140-year-old socialist is “one of them”

    1. Well, they do have a lot in common, starting with hopeless economic illiteracy.

    2. I’ve been told, “But he’s a DEMOCRATIC socialist” (so he’s safe). Do they know he spent most of his middle years hanging out with the leaders of the Soviet Union, Cuba and Nicaragua? How democratic are his heroes?

      1. As far as I can tell, “democratic socialism” means “socialism within the context of the established systems of government” but ultimately even that is misleading, because the established systems of government are republican and not democratic, and they will undoubtedly undermine the former in service to the latter, and even then only insofar as you accept “representatives elected by the majority of counted votes” as democracy instead of the more accurate term “elected oligarchy”.

        1. One Bernie-bot I interacted with had this as her Twitter background:

          Democratic “of the people”
          Socialist “for the people”

          and that’s all she wanted to know.

          She had been railing against Citizens United, and when I asked her if she was OK with the government banning documentary movies or books that said “Don’t elect Hillary” (or Bernie) she replied, “WTF is he talking about?”

        2. “Democratic” is now used to refer mainly to a republican form of government (elected representatives). I don’t think there are any true democratic governments. Maybe some small island someplace.

  13. UNH has a good radio station.

  14. composting and hydrorthermal vents

    They’ve actually managed to be stupider than I imagined.

  15. It would be easy to roll one’s eyes at their idealism or frequent inability to articulate the policies that motivate them to support their preferred candidates, but it’s unlikely the general adult populace could do much better with a microphone stuck in their face.

    Making it easy to roll our eyes at the adult population, too.

  16. It would be easy to roll one’s eyes at their idealism or frequent inability to articulate the policies that motivate them to support their preferred candidates

    Yes, and I will be happy to do so. Fucking tards.

  17. One of these students told us she believed “Hillary thinks she’s entitled to be president, and Bernie’s one of us.”

    A parasite?

  18. He supports the apartheid and occupation and war crimes in Palestine. He has told people who protested on behalf of Palestine to shut up.

    Obligatory leftist Judenhass.

  19. Today’s college students are fucking retarded. But I suppose that’s what you get when you focus on grievance studies as opposed to math and science.

  20. We need to raise the legal voting age to 30.

    1. Or to 26 – since ObamaCare calls them children and dependent.

  21. If nothing else, Marx was an excellent strategist. His plan to infiltrate academia and the media proved a winning strategy. Socialists needed an army of idiots to help them gain powerful positions and they now have them.

    1. That’s no way to turn us into Norway.

      1. Those morons with their military-industrial complex posters. What a bunch of idiots!

        1. non seq n’est?ce pas?

        2. There one thing I always wondered about military-industrial complex. Is it curable?

    2. No oil, no iPhones.

  22. Never, in my misspent youth, was I ever as ridiculously clueless and fecklessly stupid as these UNH students.

    The silliest thing I ever did was (1) sneak into bars with a fake ID and (2) vote for Bill Clinton in 1996 . But considering he was running against Bob Dole, that transgression is forgivable. However, what’s not forgivable was believing “the era of big government is over” by voting for Clinton.

    It will never be over.

    1. I was once this stupid, when I was in grade school.

      1. I was once a liberal – for the first half of 7th grade.

        Back then, even in 7th grade, we had Civics which required us to every week pick a topic in the news and write an opinion piece about it. It didn’t matter whether your opinion was right or left, but you had to demonstrate an ability at reasoned thought and an understanding of the subject matter.

  23. Ugh, now I have a head ache. Too much DERP to deconstruct, so all I’ll say is this: every singe one of those “speshul sno-flakes” is an economically illiterate ignoramus.

  24. Picking on the mentally disabled is not funny. Quiet cruel actually.

  25. Fools Fools and more Fools

  26. Anthony, I will let A Bart, and Reason itself answer your theme, which they did in numerous attempts in the past to defend the Tea Party and its less than thought out responses to questions:

    “Hey, what happened to people of conviction? Aren’t the Tea Partiers “firebrands”? Isn’t there little doubt where their hearts lie?”

    “Rather than praise Tea Partiers as passionate advocates for their beliefs, many in the press have taken to marginalizing them with mean-spirited attacks on their sanity. Wellstone, who championed the rights of the mentally ill, would not be proud.”

    I’m sure Cliven Bundy and his many supporters weren’t quite articulate about what is in the Constitution, right?

    1. Do tell us, what the Constitution means, will you?

      1. Nah. I’ll leave it to Cliven.

        “I believe this is a sovereign state of Nevada,” Bundy said in a radio interview last Thursday. “I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing.”

        Yeah, no mention of the federal government in the Constitution. But you love the wit and wisdom of Cliven, don’t you? It was his passion, right, kbo?

        1. … why don’t you try stringing together a thought instead of just spewing words

      2. Oh, I might add, that the Constitution of Nevada recognizes the Federal government, and Cliven doesn’t even know what was in that “sovereign” constitution.

        Your kinda guy, Kbo. You two are two peas in a pod.

        1. Your kinda guy, Kbo. You two are two peas in a pod.

          I love it when the nasty comes out. Behind the veneer of the bleeding heart is a murderous contempt for anyone who dares disagree.

          1. Now don’t go away angry, Kbo.

            1. Angry? I’m like a kid in a candy shop. First amsoc, now you. It’s like the time Tony said he wanted us all lined up against a wall and shot. It fills my blackened heart with glee to see your lies exposed by your own words.

              1. Good! Always like making someone’s day!

                1. Shh… don’t kill the moment by being a complete and total moron.

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  28. Bernie Fans are even more delusional than he is.

  29. ” “I think a lot of reasons college students support him is his stance on lowering tuition rates or getting rid of them completely. People are concerned it’ll raise taxes too much, but by giving people the opportunity to go to school to get a better job, they’ll pay those taxes. It’ll pay for itself.” ”

    You know that idea sounds very familiar. Kind of like cutting taxes on people, then assuming that they’ll use the additional money to create a bigger economy. And the bigger economy will be large enough to cover the original tax cuts.

    It appears that Bernie Sanders is advocating Trickle Down Economics.

    1. The progs advocate for tickle down thru high taxation with the promise it will go to help you via govt redistribution.

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  31. “Bernie really cares”. Just like che, stalin, chavez, castro, and all the other dictators and despots that said they “cared” while making life hell for everyone except special interests and those at the top running the socialist shitshow.

    “The laws of capitalism, blind and invisible to the majority, act upon the individual without his thinking about it. He sees only the vastness of a seemingly infinite horizon before him. That is how it is painted by capitalist propagandists, who purport to draw a lesson from the example of Rockefeller?whether or not it is true?about the possibilities of success. The amount of poverty and suffering required for the emergence of a Rockefeller, and the amount of depravity that the accumulation of a fortune of such magnitude entails, are left out of the picture, and it is not always possible to make the people in general see this.”

    Change a few words around and you have a modern day liberal/ socialist.

    Meanwhile, these douchebags and their socialism (etc.) are proven wrong time and time again. Yet neither they nor the new believers give two shits about the future generations they have to screw over.

    Anyone who supports Bernie has no regard for history, nor future generations. They ignore history and will repeat disaster because of “niceness and feelings”, that in realityville require force and violence.

    1. Does anyone think Bernie or any of their supporters would go door to door extorting and robbing people? Being Bernie can hide behind a standing army, he nor his supporters have to face consequenses for their desires.

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