It's come to this: The theocons at First Things prefer dirty, smelly, bomb-throwing anarchists of old to today's "libertarian youth" who dementedly live "by the Non-Aggression Principle: 'Don't bother me, and I won't bother you.'"
Here's Ben Bristor, a college student, describing the brave new world that has such…gorgons… in it:
Libertarians are quickly becoming more prolific, at the very least in their cultural impact if not in absolute numbers. Living in D.C.'s periphery, I can't help but notice it. At a party over the summer, a friend and I were chatting when a young woman came up and joined the discussion…. [S]he referred to herself an anarchist. Typically, when the term "anarchist" appears in the media, the discussion usually revolves around protests or acts of violence. The perpetrators are grungy looking guys, bearded and unkempt. She didn't fit the usual stereotype. She seemed put-together and well-spoken, with nary a wild gleam in her eye….
She said she thought "people do better on their own" and that externally imposed rules, whether from government or elsewhere, limit people's attempts to live life to the fullest, or something to that effect. She was no anarchist, at least not in the old sense. She was a young reader of ReasonMagazine.
Well, alright, alright, alright, yes? The Libertarian Moment is real and it's spectacular, right?
Not to Bristor and his confreres. To this young lady, anarchism doesn't mean the good old days when literal bomb-throwers were trying to help the underclass. For today's millennials, Bristor frets that anarchism
means an ideal world in which everyone is left to his own devices, free to create "voluntary societies," where coercion is nonexistent. No social conservatism from the Right, and no political correctness from the Left. People live by the Non-Aggression Principle: "Don't bother me, and I won't bother you."
That's easy for the upper-middle-class types that Bristor pals around with, because they've "entered the achievement competition and came out on top. They're proud of themselves, but they're not going to criticize the lagging and wayward 80 percent that didn't make it to selective colleges." Only such disregard for the lumpenproletariat could explain how such solipsistic monsters could conclude that it makes sense to "let everybody make their own choices."
In such a climate, Bristor and, one assumes, conservatives have no alternative but to prefer the good old days. Because, you know,
original anarchists wanted to tear down the government in order to free the downtrodden; the new ones want to do so to free themselves. The lesser orders have nothing to do with it.
In Heretics, Chesterton wrote, "Self is the gorgon. Vanity sees it in the mirror of other men and lives. Pride studies it for itself and is turned to stone."
That's pretty rich stuff, to be honest, especially invoking the British Catholic writer G.K. Chesterton, whose best-regarded novel, The Man Who Was Thursday, is usually read by conservatives as a bracing critique of modernity. Chesterton ultimately disliked modernity, including capitalism, every bit as much as anarchy, because it threatens the stabiity of an ordered, hierarchical society. As Marx and Engels memorably put it in the Communist Manifesto, bourgeois capitalism melts everything solid into air and profanes all that is sacred, yadda yadda yadda. You just don't want that sort of creative destruction when you're trying to hold on to a society in which you're doing pretty swell.
Obviously, I can't speak for the "put-together and well-spoken" woman that Bristor and his buddy met over the summer. But anyone who spends more than a couple of minutes leafing through Reason magazine or this site understands that the policies we promote are intricately tied to questions of helping the underclass. Expanding school choice, ending drug prohibition, increasing legal immigration, reforming criminal justice—just to name a few—would first and foremost benefit that "lagging and wayward 80 percent" Brstor tears up over.
I'd add that the main reason I embrace free-market capitalism—which I'd argue is simply the application of classical liberal values to the economic sphere—is precisely because it gives relatively poor and disenfranchised folks the best shot both at upward mobility and self-fulfillment.
If such a worldview makes me a gorgon, well, I can live with that. So can we all, peacefully, productively, and in a community through which we find common interests and help each other.
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Not sure what was going on here earlier, but all I had to say was:
I had this stupid Anarchist conversation on Teh Twitterz the other day. The Sacco and Vanzetti comparison came up. Not sure why some folks can't understand simple Greek that even the French can sometimes comprehend.
Real Conservatives Prefer Dirty, Smelly, Bomb-Throwing Anarchists to "Libertarian Youth"
Roll over, Friedrich Hayek, and tell G.K. Chesterton the news!
Nick Gillespie|Sep. 2, 2015 4:20 pm
oh, THAT article. The article that will live in infamy for all time. I'm talking about the other article that will live forever in the hearts and minds of all commentariat.
So he says to me, "You gotta do something smart, baby! Something big!" He says, "You want to be a super-villain, right?!" And I go, "Yeah, baby, yeah! Yeah! What do I gotta do?!" He says, "You got bombs! Blow up the Comet Club! It's packed with super-heroes! You'll go down in super-villain history!" And I go, "Yeah, baby! 'Cause I'm the Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight!" Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
I sometimes call myself an anarchist because I can't think of any non-utilitarian moral justification for government to claim any of the powers it claims.
I tend to like labeling myself a "Westphalian Anarchist" to indicate that once we no longer bind ourselves to a 400-year-old model for government structure, what remains will not be recognizable by comparison. After all, even if there were a moral justification, any value gained by binding government power to geography or a singular hierarchy has been obliterated by modern communications technology.
My first post was at 3:48pm in the greatest thread ever to exist in all of the history of intertoobz. I've tried several methods to recover the comments from cyberspace, but no luck. FOE claims he has them.
Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?
Nice. They can repost a story from 2012, complete with original comments, but they wipe out the comments from the "preview" posted a few minutes ago.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
I am sure everyone conservatives and there alike would love Liberarian youth if there was such a thing. Sorry but I don't see anything libertarian about the youth. Not trusting this government is not the same as not believing in government. And there are more civil rights than just gay rights as shocking as that is for some of you.
Most of the commentariat will never be the same again. We've been traumatized. It's like they gave us an edit button and then it disappeared never to return again. 190 posts in about 10 minutes or less.
"True" communism calls for a stateless society in which people would cooperate economically and blah blah blah. I'm not an anarchocommunist. At least their form of communism is voluntary and non-coercive. The person referred to in the article seemed to be an anarchocapitalist.
Good? They leave a void! You can't have structural integrity with big globs of organic matter in there!
The Portuguese used egg whites in their mortar for bridges that have lasted in Africa since the 1600s. Perhaps they could be pureed for this application.
I've always been kind of confused about left-anarchists. I can understand the part about blowing up the existing power structures of both government and industry. But then what? Even if doing that actually did help the lower classes in some way, I don't know where you go from there without stopping being an anarchist. Maybe some kind of voluntary communalism, I guess. But it mostly looks like useful idiocy for communists.
I don't think that anarcho-capitalism is a whole lot more likely to come about, really. To the anarchist in me, anarchy is just reality: governments are just another group of violent assholes trying to impose their will on people.
The only one I discussed this with was effectively a local-government type in practice. Couldn't get them to realize "It depends on what the local community decides" isn't really a principled stand against governments.
For today's millennials, Bristor frets that anarchism
means an ideal world in which everyone is left to his own devices, free to create "voluntary societies," where coercion is nonexistent. No social conservatism from the Right, and no political correctness from the Left. People live by the Non-Aggression Principle: "Don't bother me, and I won't bother you.
I'm a little confused. Why is Nick Gillespie writing an article about some college kid whose majoring in theology and wrote blog post? At most the blog post is mildly critical of Libertarians.
This seems to be the most critical line of the whole blog post: "The new anarchism is, at its core, the adoration of self. In that sense, it really is anarchical. Just like any sort of worship that is not directed toward its true end, God, it will devour others and ultimately itself. "
Geez this article of NG's strikes me as way overkill.
It's as if the imaginary article made a helluva lot more sense, or something . . .
(tough crowd, Nick. But you knew we were assholes when you took this job)
Did the strawman go up in flames and burn down the comments that others are talking about?
Apparently a college kid who somehow submitted a blog post to First Things about a conversation she had at a party is Gillespie's definition of the ur-conservative viewpoint on libertarianism? I'm just confused on a lot fronts here.
How is what she's saying determinative? It's arguable whether she's even considered a Millennial (she wouldn't be old enough to remember 2000 in any case), but she certainly isn't old enough or experienced in rhetoric enough to be considered the voice of her generation even so (in terms of such rhetoric, that's why she's AT college). For that matter, she might be entirely wrong ? how often does a person that age encounter even an historical perspective on anarchy and/or liberty, much less a personal one. Frankly, given the nature of college's nowadays, that she's exploring a non-progressive viewpoint and at least attempting to figure out other views beyond her own is better than 99% of her peers.... (cont.)
...There's also the broader question of Gillespie's continuing obsession with THIS IS WHAT A CONSERVATIVE IS. I see no problem with any libertarian authors dissecting policies along either the right-conservative of left-progressive ideological spectrums, the same as either should do to each other or with any libertarian ideas with which they disagree. But, in the same fashion that a conservative or progressive shouldn't paint libertarianism with a broad brush, it serves no purpose to ignore the broad ideological coalition of the American Right to point to one figure as the ur-conservative, whether it's this girl or Donald Trump (or even Ronald Reagan). The same holds true for the Left (even if I would argue that the modern Right has wider, if more precarious, coalitional range due to absorbing parts of what used to be the classical Left over the past half century, some results of which we see in both the candidate breadth and the infighting this year in the presidential campaign).
If I were rich, powerful and connected, the very last thing I'd want is libertarian capitalism. Perpetual competition is hard. It tends to be a significant leveler. It's much, much, easier to leverage connections, influence with the ruling elements of society to ensure that one's position is protected.
What part of "Perpetual competition is hard. It tends to be a significant leveler." do you not understand? A sizable portion of the very rich get or stay that way by having state imposed favor. Take away the favor, allow a free market, and the only rule they have is what honest competition to provide goods and services allows them.
Sure, that's why anytime someone wins the Mega Millions, they become incredibly powerful and well-respected. Several are Senators and Ambassadors now, from what I recall. Or, that's what would happen if wealth led to power, instead of the other way around.
About 20 years ago or so I went into Revolution Books in Berkeley looking for a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook (hadn't seen it since I was teenager). They said they didn't carry it because it's too inflammatory.
It is a good point. Modern libertarians combine quasi-anarchism with intense self-regard, a la Ayn Rand. It's not a good look. A political movement that doesn't even pretend to make itself about the good of the downtrodden isn't even really a political movement. It's a weird cultish thing.
Criminal justice reform, yada yada, fine. But it's really about cutting the tax burden of the wealthy, and in fact that will always hold priority. It's your raison d'etre.
This is the sad skeletal remains of a once great thread... a thread for the ages.... a thread of legend... a thread of many comments. And this... is all that remains. Please observe a moment of silence, libertarians, and mourn for what was never to be, no, or what will ever be again.
The Jacket posted an article, but there was no content. It just had a header about conservatives prefer bomb throwing. The thread had about 190 comments in less than 10 minutes, maybe 5 minutes, I'm not sure. And not just any comments, but the GREATEST COMMENTS EVER POSTED IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTERTOOBZ! And then... disaster struck, the apocalypse and the great wondrous commentariat moment... was over.
Sure you will. Nothing posted on the intertoobz is ever lost. It goes into the intertoobz blackhole where it can never escape. So it's there. We'll see it again.
Yes, it's quite disturbing. Myself, I am still in the mourning position with my head covered in soot and ashes. It's quite difficult to post like this.
The dastardly duo of Gillespie and Welch, LLP. They tease us to the point of satisfaction, getting us all hot & panting in anticipation , and then jerk the rug right under us.
It's ironic that Friedman's manifesto of anarcho-capitalism, "The Machinery of Freedom", has as its epilogue a sympathetic treatment of GK Chesterton (who really does not deserve to be lumped in with Marx as an opponent of capitalism -- recall that he was living in the robber baron era when the rich were heavily favored by the state).
First I would like to say that Reason has great staff. I am a 68 year old Anarchist. Never wanted to throw a bomb and tear down society. I just listened in History class and never saw these leaders as heroes but as corrupt bullies. All governments become corrupt and expand out of control. The purpose of all life is to grow. Man doesn't have ability to manage something that big. Most of us can't hardly manage ourselves. Just seems to me that small communities of free association would be better. It worked for the early settlers.
WHERE'S THE COMMENTS!
Not sure what was going on here earlier, but all I had to say was:
I had this stupid Anarchist conversation on Teh Twitterz the other day. The Sacco and Vanzetti comparison came up. Not sure why some folks can't understand simple Greek that even the French can sometimes comprehend.
Poor form, Nick.
DAMNIT JACKET!
You people had to know the comments were going to be wiped out.
What do you mean "you people"?
He just othered all of us?
Well when your first then...
Now, I'm intrigued.
What, you missed the great 2015 story about nothing? Excuse me while I go cover my head with soot and ashes.
I was plowing the back 40.
You were anally banging a cougar?
I shall neither confirm nor deny.
Drive with the fear.
Mattress girl
Well he did post the article at 4:20 .....
4:20, what time zone?
http://reason.com/blog/2015/09.....nt_5561337
That's cut and paste from my browser history at 3:48pm EST.
Real Conservatives Prefer Dirty, Smelly, Bomb-Throwing Anarchists to "Libertarian Youth"
Roll over, Friedrich Hayek, and tell G.K. Chesterton the news!
Nick Gillespie|Sep. 2, 2015 4:20 pm
oh, THAT article. The article that will live in infamy for all time. I'm talking about the other article that will live forever in the hearts and minds of all commentariat.
Oh shit, you guys.
This is not that post. This is just a tribute to that post.
I don't see any content. A tragic and sad story about nothing, with .... no .... comments ...
I don't think that's going to catch on.
What, you want your comments preserved for the ages? Life is fleeting, get used to it.
OT: The dangers of letting customers choose what image they want on their credit card.
What the hell is a gorgon?
It's a primitive form of pre-zola cheese?
The type of creature Medusa is, if the God of War video games have given me accurate lessons in Greek mythology.
Yes, that is it.
Medusa was the name of one of the Gorgons, yes.
Where does a creature like Calibus fall in all that hierarchy?
The only one that was mortal, if I recall correctly.
AKA Debbie Wasserman Schultz as well
I think I remember Gorgons were in some '90s movie called "Small Soldiers".
dishwashing detergent, i think.
Ancient Chinese secret, huh? Take me away...
Do you also not know what a Google is?
C'mon, dude. The internet may be right but it is nowhere near as irreverent and sarcastic as this lot.
I thought I was being sarcastic.
I know what a gorgon is. I didn't know what it was in the context of any libertarian/conservative divide.
Oh sorry, I was confused when you wrote "What the hell is a gorgon?".
Yeah. My bad.
The Star Trek villain with the feather coat. Kind of like a Night's Watchman but better with children.
Hail hail, fire and snow. Call the angel, we will go. Far away, for to see, friendly angel, come to me.
I said in the deleted thread that it would be deleted. I was so right.
He's a witch!
Prove it.
We shall use my largest scales!
Blasphemer!!
You're only making it worse for yourself!
Crucifixion is the best thing the Romans did for this country.
I have no record of that.
Prove it. Screenshot or it didn't happen.
So he says to me, "You gotta do something smart, baby! Something big!" He says, "You want to be a super-villain, right?!" And I go, "Yeah, baby, yeah! Yeah! What do I gotta do?!" He says, "You got bombs! Blow up the Comet Club! It's packed with super-heroes! You'll go down in super-villain history!" And I go, "Yeah, baby! 'Cause I'm the Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight!" Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
+2 Ticks.
Speaking of supervillains, there's a private island in San Francisco Bay for sale for only $5 million. A perfect lair for some tech mogul.
I refuse to comment on this story about nothing. I want my story about nothing!
I've only interacted with one card-carrying "anarchist" - it just meant he was a far-leftist. Really, does the word even mean anything anymore?
I think Epi and Nikki are anarchists, no?
If we extrapolate from that, they're all awful people.
Whatever, i'm an anarchist too, and i'm awesome.
Its a fine line.
I don't have a card, though. I mean, I'm a fucking anarchist, and you want me to have a card?
Yes...the Ace of Spades.
ACE OF SPADES
\m/
I sometimes call myself an anarchist because I can't think of any non-utilitarian moral justification for government to claim any of the powers it claims.
I tend to like labeling myself a "Westphalian Anarchist" to indicate that once we no longer bind ourselves to a 400-year-old model for government structure, what remains will not be recognizable by comparison. After all, even if there were a moral justification, any value gained by binding government power to geography or a singular hierarchy has been obliterated by modern communications technology.
Well, I guess I'm awful then.
If they're carrying cards, I doubt the authenticity of their anarchic principles.
How else do you prove street cred? Oh, wait...nevermind.
Really, does the word even mean anything anymore?
Yes, it means we don't have to carry cards anymore. That's one way you can tell us self-governance Anarchists from the Big Government variety.
I had a dream I posted a blank page by mistake, but then when I checked it was there. Weird.
Dammit, Nick.
The Commentariat is most displeased. Ron Paul help you.
Better cut down on The Cocktails, and increase the intake of The Drugs!
Why do you think that was posted at 4:20?
My first post was at 3:48pm in the greatest thread ever to exist in all of the history of intertoobz. I've tried several methods to recover the comments from cyberspace, but no luck. FOE claims he has them.
We should start pretending that we can't see his first posts until he gives them up
The Libertarian Moment is real and it's spectacular, right?
This is also a dream.
Is that like those dreams where you have to pee, so you dream that you go to the bathroom...but when you wake up, you still have to pee?
Hopefully.
Yeah, that is pretty much the optimal outcome.
I had the decidedly suboptimal outcome of that one on my brand new mattress.
Is the bed wet?
One of those dreams was one of two times I accidentally ended up lucid dreaming.
Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?
+1 B-1 mounted laser
I find it more telling that you were asleep in the middle of the day.
"YOU BLEW IT UP! AH, DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!"
I'd prefer Much Ado About Nothing
And Ben sounds like a real pansy. Lighten up, ya dweeb!
Is someone going to at least post a zombie fleshlight?
THE MEXICANS STOLE OUR COMMENTS!
Never heard of First Things before.
I have read an article from there once before by Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig. But yeah, it doesn't seem to be very well known.
It was a print mag for a long time. I assume, like Reason, it still is.
A conservative who's clueless about anarchism but who nonetheless denounces it? I'm shocked.
What are you talking about? The moment is gone! The land is cursed! Frogs and swarms of locusts shall descend!
Nice. They can repost a story from 2012, complete with original comments, but they wipe out the comments from the "preview" posted a few minutes ago.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
Because they won't let us?
You know who else wouldn't let people have nice things?
Stalin?
Pussy Galore?
In related news, is there anything more pretentious than blogs that use Palatino Linotype?
I don't even know what that is.
Here.
Don't even get me started on Arial...*looks up and down at the thread in disgust*
Yeah, Arial is the font to use when you want your font to say "I really don't give a shit."
Me, I'm a Trebuchet man, myself.
"Me, I'm a Trebuchet man, myself."
Isn't that an ancient siege machine?
It is the finest of sans-serif fonts, you heathen.
AND it's an ancient siege machine ... two treats in one!
+1 Punkin Chunkin
At one point, Reason's comments section used Trebuchet as the font for user names. It doesn't appear to be used anymore, though.
Garamond.
I like to show that I'm putting a little effort in, but not a ton.
All of you failed.
The only correct answer is Futura. Name another typeface that has been on the fucking Moon.
Deal with it.
I lean more to the Bookman collection.
The drop cap seems pretentious for a blog too. Just go all the way and have it illustrated
Medieval-bible style illustrations would be awesome actually.
In related news, is there anything more pretentious than blogs that use Palatino Linotype?
Everyone that has no clue what Palatino and assume you mean Palamino because they know *exactly* what that is?
[Googles Palamino]
I did too, but I knew Palatino. I think that means I spend too much time on the computer
I am sure everyone conservatives and there alike would love Liberarian youth if there was such a thing. Sorry but I don't see anything libertarian about the youth. Not trusting this government is not the same as not believing in government. And there are more civil rights than just gay rights as shocking as that is for some of you.
I don't see anything libertarian about the non-youth either. But I see a good number of individuals who are.
I don't see much libertarian about youth, non-youth and most everything inbetween. But I do see about 22 individuals who are.
22 is a good number.
I think it has to be an odd number, doesn't it?
I can't even
Tony called, he wants his strawmen back.
The dictionary called and asked you to stop using words without knowing what they mean.
You are incredibly good at irony John.
You just can't help yourself, can you John?
From telling the truth? Yeah I guess so. I could see how that could be puzzling to liars and posers.
Truth? Given the inflated opinion you have of yourself and your pontificating, it's apparent you have only a passing acquaintance with the truth.
Commenting when there's CONSERVATIVE in the title.
Hey, no problem. We expect it. You live up to expectations. Win-win. And Tony will be along shortly to refute you. Win-win-win.
B-1 Bob Dornan was in for Jerry Doyle yesterday. You should have heard him bag on libertarians. Hadda turn it off.
Something about the 10 "p"s of libertarianism...
Pot
Porn
Prostitution
Pederasty...
We must be touching a nerve.
First they... aw, hell, what am I talking about, we're not going to win. We're still stuck at the "laugh at you" stage.
Forever and ever. You're actually in hell.
The other 6 "P"s would be, what?
Pexicans?
Putt sex.
Polygamy
Progchipping
Polisher Orphans
I posted a really witty comment about turtle soup in the disappeared thread. My wisdom vanished for the ages.
Most of the commentariat will never be the same again. We've been traumatized. It's like they gave us an edit button and then it disappeared never to return again. 190 posts in about 10 minutes or less.
I posted Chipotle's secret recipe.
I had a full list of the 11 secret herbs and spices as well as the formula for Original Coke!
Today's establishment prefers the good old days when anarchists were actually confused Communists. (I realize that is likely redundant.)
Now they are retarded communists.
No we ain't.
"True" communism calls for a stateless society in which people would cooperate economically and blah blah blah. I'm not an anarchocommunist. At least their form of communism is voluntary and non-coercive. The person referred to in the article seemed to be an anarchocapitalist.
Libertarianism is so simple to understand. I call it,
The Platinum Rule
"All actions are allowed except those involving the initiatory use of force, threats of force or fraud."
But... roads and bridges!
AND COMMENT THREADS!
Building roads and bridges is allowed!
What kind of libertarian are you?! Next thing you'll be saying no orphan sweat shops!
I didn't say "by the government".
I was planning on using orphans to build the roads and bridges.
Well that's better now.
As labor or materials? I mean not that you have to choose if you don't want to.
Well, if they drop over while paving the road, you can't just waste good pot hole filler!
Good? They leave a void! You can't have structural integrity with big globs of organic matter in there!
The Portuguese used egg whites in their mortar for bridges that have lasted in Africa since the 1600s. Perhaps they could be pureed for this application.
"All actions are allowed except those involving the initiatory use of force, threats of force or fraud."
And contracting a vaccine-preventable disease.
I've always been kind of confused about left-anarchists. I can understand the part about blowing up the existing power structures of both government and industry. But then what? Even if doing that actually did help the lower classes in some way, I don't know where you go from there without stopping being an anarchist. Maybe some kind of voluntary communalism, I guess. But it mostly looks like useful idiocy for communists.
I don't think that anarcho-capitalism is a whole lot more likely to come about, really. To the anarchist in me, anarchy is just reality: governments are just another group of violent assholes trying to impose their will on people.
Anarachy is the end state of Marxism. Paradise is a stateless world full of soviet men working for the collective
Good Lord John, sometimes you can be such the tard.
I've always been kind of confused about left-anarchists
That's OK. They are pretty confused themselves.
The only one I discussed this with was effectively a local-government type in practice. Couldn't get them to realize "It depends on what the local community decides" isn't really a principled stand against governments.
Well, that sucks. I thought the comments on the non-post were pretty good, really.
THE MEXCANS STOLE OUR COMMENTS!
And didn't even give us a reach-around.
The page is available if you know where to look.
Look out your window and see that angry mob gathering on your lawn...
Well, don't post a link or anything.
Knowledge is power.
They don't pay us enough, that's for sure.
Did you hear me, Gillespie? We're the trolls that carry this two bit website and we DEMAND a raise!
and then it was gone
witticisms torn to shreds
floating on the wind
For today's millennials, Bristor frets that anarchism
means an ideal world in which everyone is left to his own devices, free to create "voluntary societies," where coercion is nonexistent. No social conservatism from the Right, and no political correctness from the Left. People live by the Non-Aggression Principle: "Don't bother me, and I won't bother you.
Sounds hellish.
Damn it , where did my comments go? I was so damn witty I was almost as good as Warty . . . No, BETTER than Warty.
I was BETTER THAN WARTY and NOW THERE IS NO PROOF!
FOE is holding the comments hostage. Get your torches and bring your woodchippers, we're going to do a siege on his evul domain.
Will there be strippers and tequila during the siege? Cause, it's really not a SIEGE without the booze and the hoes
Of course, and Mexi... never mind.
Can bring the trebuchet?
Or does R C already have that covered?
STEVE SMITH AGREE BODICA BETTER THAN WARTY
I LOVE you guys!!!
Don't get too excited; STEVE SMITH just hates competition.
I love him TOO! Just to piss him off (like Jesus taught me)
Ma and Pa Reason doesn't want to admit it, but the kids do just fine without them.
Just fine? Just fine!?? COMMENTARIAT MOMENT!
They are out there fighting the good fight against microaggressions.
I'm a little confused. Why is Nick Gillespie writing an article about some college kid whose majoring in theology and wrote blog post? At most the blog post is mildly critical of Libertarians.
This seems to be the most critical line of the whole blog post: "The new anarchism is, at its core, the adoration of self. In that sense, it really is anarchical. Just like any sort of worship that is not directed toward its true end, God, it will devour others and ultimately itself. "
Geez this article of NG's strikes me as way overkill.
It's as if the imaginary article made a helluva lot more sense, or something . . .
(tough crowd, Nick. But you knew we were assholes when you took this job)
Geez this article of NG's strikes me as way overkill.
Nick's just sniffing out another dastardly Popish plot.
The Whore of Babylon never sleeps.
Did the strawman go up in flames and burn down the comments that others are talking about?
Apparently a college kid who somehow submitted a blog post to First Things about a conversation she had at a party is Gillespie's definition of the ur-conservative viewpoint on libertarianism? I'm just confused on a lot fronts here.
How is what she's saying determinative? It's arguable whether she's even considered a Millennial (she wouldn't be old enough to remember 2000 in any case), but she certainly isn't old enough or experienced in rhetoric enough to be considered the voice of her generation even so (in terms of such rhetoric, that's why she's AT college). For that matter, she might be entirely wrong ? how often does a person that age encounter even an historical perspective on anarchy and/or liberty, much less a personal one. Frankly, given the nature of college's nowadays, that she's exploring a non-progressive viewpoint and at least attempting to figure out other views beyond her own is better than 99% of her peers.... (cont.)
...There's also the broader question of Gillespie's continuing obsession with THIS IS WHAT A CONSERVATIVE IS. I see no problem with any libertarian authors dissecting policies along either the right-conservative of left-progressive ideological spectrums, the same as either should do to each other or with any libertarian ideas with which they disagree. But, in the same fashion that a conservative or progressive shouldn't paint libertarianism with a broad brush, it serves no purpose to ignore the broad ideological coalition of the American Right to point to one figure as the ur-conservative, whether it's this girl or Donald Trump (or even Ronald Reagan). The same holds true for the Left (even if I would argue that the modern Right has wider, if more precarious, coalitional range due to absorbing parts of what used to be the classical Left over the past half century, some results of which we see in both the candidate breadth and the infighting this year in the presidential campaign).
Well he referenced a female Reason reader so it's obviously a work of fiction
If I were rich, powerful and connected, the very last thing I'd want is libertarian capitalism. Perpetual competition is hard. It tends to be a significant leveler. It's much, much, easier to leverage connections, influence with the ruling elements of society to ensure that one's position is protected.
^ This.
And how do we do away with those would would install themselves as the ruling class? Wouldn't they be whoever has most of the wealth anyway?
What part of "Perpetual competition is hard. It tends to be a significant leveler." do you not understand? A sizable portion of the very rich get or stay that way by having state imposed favor. Take away the favor, allow a free market, and the only rule they have is what honest competition to provide goods and services allows them.
Since the initiatory use of force is prohibited no one rules. You really don't seem to get that.
Sure, that's why anytime someone wins the Mega Millions, they become incredibly powerful and well-respected. Several are Senators and Ambassadors now, from what I recall. Or, that's what would happen if wealth led to power, instead of the other way around.
AH, as predicted.
John, your turn . . .
It's a cookbook!
Or rather, It's a cookbook!
With booze & hoes?
About 20 years ago or so I went into Revolution Books in Berkeley looking for a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook (hadn't seen it since I was teenager). They said they didn't carry it because it's too inflammatory.
It is a good point. Modern libertarians combine quasi-anarchism with intense self-regard, a la Ayn Rand. It's not a good look. A political movement that doesn't even pretend to make itself about the good of the downtrodden isn't even really a political movement. It's a weird cultish thing.
Criminal justice reform, yada yada, fine. But it's really about cutting the tax burden of the wealthy, and in fact that will always hold priority. It's your raison d'etre.
You could listen to what libertarians say themselves, or you could put words in our mouths. Suit yourself.
*Spits out Tony 's words*
Cut it out, Tony
No, you cannot guilt me into giving away my property.
Pig.
There's no bigger asshole than a recovering altar boy.
If the governemnt was not allowed to initiate force there would be no downtrodden because no one would be allowed to trod on them.
The downtrodden haven't been treated well, since... never- and not well during a single presidency you voted for.
Why couldn't Nick wait for Eddie to be around to defend his peeps?
This is the sad skeletal remains of a once great thread... a thread for the ages.... a thread of legend... a thread of many comments. And this... is all that remains. Please observe a moment of silence, libertarians, and mourn for what was never to be, no, or what will ever be again.
Why would a once great thread be wiped here? I'm touched by your emotions. What occurred?
OMG, dude! You didn't know?
Well, it's like this.
The Jacket posted an article, but there was no content. It just had a header about conservatives prefer bomb throwing. The thread had about 190 comments in less than 10 minutes, maybe 5 minutes, I'm not sure. And not just any comments, but the GREATEST COMMENTS EVER POSTED IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTERTOOBZ! And then... disaster struck, the apocalypse and the great wondrous commentariat moment... was over.
I'm glad I missed it. Now I won't be disappointed in future threads because I'll never know the greatness that was the disappearing thread.
Sure you will. Nothing posted on the intertoobz is ever lost. It goes into the intertoobz blackhole where it can never escape. So it's there. We'll see it again.
Well this is alarming.
I think we love ourselves more than Reason does.
Would that all people could love themselves first, more than Reason.
But this is not always the case.
Yes, it's quite disturbing. Myself, I am still in the mourning position with my head covered in soot and ashes. It's quite difficult to post like this.
And we're torn between the wistful nostalgia of the "good, old days" (of like, 3 hours ago) and a seething desire for revenge.
The rat bastards :). They are really good
Like the libertarian era is "upon us".
The dastardly duo of Gillespie and Welch, LLP. They tease us to the point of satisfaction, getting us all hot & panting in anticipation , and then jerk the rug right under us.
And we fall for it. Every damn time.
No wonder why Popehat calls us boneheaded
Why is there a picture of Debbie Wasserman-Schulz accompanying the is article?
She didn't wash her snakes again. Gotta save the planet I guess.
She didn't wash her snakes again. Gotta save the planet I guess.
She didn't wash her snakes again. Gotta save the planet I guess.
The Jacket is trying squirrel warfare I see. Won't work, Nick, won't work.
I won't lie, that picture made me hard. Like, rock hard.
I try to avoid sexual innuendo but it's soooooo hard.
Her lovely skin, her doe-like eyes?
It was better without the article.
It's ironic that Friedman's manifesto of anarcho-capitalism, "The Machinery of Freedom", has as its epilogue a sympathetic treatment of GK Chesterton (who really does not deserve to be lumped in with Marx as an opponent of capitalism -- recall that he was living in the robber baron era when the rich were heavily favored by the state).
think we love ourselves more than Reason does.
I know I do.
Because Reason is Data and we're Deanna Troi.
If 2016 is Clinton v Trump - oh, yeah. I'm playing for Team Anarchist. Ana, Emma, I don't give a fuck. It's Team Anarchist - not even close.
FUCK YOU FOR REMOVING THE OTHER POST AND COMMENTS! PLEASE CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION to The Nation!!!!
First I would like to say that Reason has great staff. I am a 68 year old Anarchist. Never wanted to throw a bomb and tear down society. I just listened in History class and never saw these leaders as heroes but as corrupt bullies. All governments become corrupt and expand out of control. The purpose of all life is to grow. Man doesn't have ability to manage something that big. Most of us can't hardly manage ourselves. Just seems to me that small communities of free association would be better. It worked for the early settlers.
"it gives relatively poor and disenfranchised folks the best shot both at upward mobility and self-fulfillment.
If such a worldview makes me a gorgon, well, I can live with that."
Gorgon? No. Try smug bourgeois. No doubt you can live with that too.