Police Abuse

Staten Island Cops Drag Man Out of His House at 5:30 a.m., Beat the Hell Out of Him, Charge Him With Nothing

Over an hour-old noise complaint. Victim also claims cops shouted anti-gay slurs as they beat him.

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Somewhere out there in America nearly every day, the Thin Blue Line of civilization are behaving like monsters. Yes, policing is hard, especially on the poor sucker who is being policed to within an inch of his life for no reason.

NY Daily News

From the New York Daily News. Louis Falcone says that his brother had come home drunk at around 4:30 a.m. on June 19, and the two of them got in an argument loud enough for a noise complaint. About an hour later, after the noise issue was long over, four cops showed up at his door.

Here's what Falcone said happened next, from the News story:

"As I'm talking to them through the screen door, they're saying to come outside," Falcone recalled. "I said, 'For what?"

Then, his dog Looch, part pitbull, began barking.

"The cops said, 'Get your dog out of here or I'll f—— kill it!'" Falcone says. "I was like, 'What do you mean you're going to kill my dog?'"

He said he was shooing Looch away when an officer yanked Falcone outside.

"They threw me against the concrete in front of my house," he said. "My first reaction was to try to get up a little bit."

On the video, one of the officers is seen entering the home. Then, the others try to restrain Falcone on the ground….

"Then they're hitting me for no reason," he said. "One puts his knee on my neck. They were all piling on top of me."

He said he was pleading with cops to be careful with his foot.

"I said, 'Please, I just had surgery on my foot,'" Falcone said. "One of the cops stepped on my foot. Another cop comes and steps on my head."…

Falcone says he was left with a broken nose, two black eyes, cuts to his face and body, and needed more foot surgery.

Video embedded in the News story from across the street shows the beating, though not close up. The audio isn't clear enough to verify Falcone's claim that:

"While I was on the ground, I had mud and blood in my mouth," he said. "One (of the cops) said, 'Don't let it get on you, he probably has AIDS, the f****t.'"

The police's account:

When police arrived, "Falcone became belligerent and uncooperative. He appeared to have been injured in the fight with his brother. As the officers attempted to subdue him, he resisted and spit blood in the face of one of them," a police spokesman said. 

"The officers were able to restrain him and he was transported by EMS to a local hospital for evaluation."

Falcone was charged with no crime after being beaten. He "now plans to sue in federal court for civil rights violations, lawyer Eric Subin said."

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  1. “I was like, ‘What do you mean you’re going to kill my dog?'”

    Not a regular H&R reader obviously.

  2. Falcone was charged with no crime after being beaten.

    If there was a shred of truth to what the cops say he did, he’d have several charges levied against him right now. They just beat the shit out of him because they felt like it.

    Once again we see that you can not even be aware that you are about to be beaten or killed by the police and have it happen. If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and meet the wrong officers or come to their attention, you can be seriously injured or die. For doing nothing. You don’t even know when or if someone else might bring you to their attention, so actively attempting to avoid them doesn’t even help in all cases. But it doesn’t matter. They are like encountering wild dogs. You’d better hope they’re not in a mood when you do encounter them.

    This is the society we live in.

    1. Once again we see that you can not even be aware that you are about to be beaten or killed by the police and have it happen.

      Any time you are interacting with police, you should be aware of the fact that you may be beaten or killed.

      1. My point is that you won’t even know, sometimes, that you are about to even have an encounter with police. It’s one thing to say “well, that’s what happens when you call the police”. But this is “well, that’s what happens when you never had any intention or knowledge that you would be dealing with the police in the first place”.

        It’s particularly disturbing when even if you explicitly go out of your way to avoid police, you might just get beaten or killed anyway, totally outside of any attempts by you to explicitly avoid it.

        1. I agree with you. People just going about their business could easily be on the wrong end of a beatdown even for just trying to figure out why they are even dealing with police.

          In this instance though the linked article states that his mom called 911 when the brothers were fighting. This guy admits he was yelling/arguing at the cops through the door. Not that any of that justifies what happened to him, but he hardly went out of his way to avoid the cops.

          Im curious why he didnt let his mom answer the door since she called the cops.
          In a situation like that the cops will definitely want to talk to her and make sure everything is really over.

        2. Deliberately avoiding the police? You’re clearly up to no good, and such suspicious behavior might just get you beaten or killed.

      2. Any time you are interacting with police, you should be aware of the fact that you may be beaten or killed. – ChicagoTom
        .
        Well, sure, you’re from Chicago so you’ve known that since you were about 4 months old, but nobody expects the NYPD to act like that!

    2. Well, to be fair, there’s never been a society anywhere at any time that wasn’t like that.

      1. Most other “societies” have at least been honest about being terrorized by goons and not pretending that they’re noble protectors of the people. Because it’s worse. Because then the goons actually feel like they are somehow not total pieces of shit. And that just makes them worse.

        1. Cops have guilt-free consciences because they feel they help people. As they beat someone to death they feel good about themselves because they feel like they’re helping someone. Usually that “someone” is “the public,” which of course is everyone except any actual individual person. ‘The divine right of the king’ has been replaced with ‘the will of the people.’ Instead of this power coming from a god, it comes from democratic elections. We’re still living in a feudal society. Only the costumes have changed.

      2. Like what? You mean where there were no goon squads of the state? Or standing police forces, and law was handled privately? There sure was.

        1. I mean a society where ordinary jerkoffs weren’t subject to getting brutalized at any time by the local crime boss’s goons. In some places they’ve just been more honest about it than we are here.

          1. In my limited experience abroad, the characteristic of most police is not that they over-react and brutalize people at every opportunity

            (*footnote – i have been arrested in 3 foreign countries, knifed by mugger in one, requiring police report)

            rather, their more-common defining-characteristic seems to be laziness and disinterest.

            They tend to be impossible to fire, so the main purpose is to avoid actually having to do work or ’cause trouble’, particularly if it involves arresting anyone, because that might upset someone somewhere and the #1 issue is to keep everyone from complaining.

            so they tend to try and resolve situations without arresting anyone. even when there was a crime. “everyone say you’re sorry and you won’t do it again”. Or they take the offender away and let them make some calls and give someone a stern talking to. people who get into drunken fights are given 24 hours in a cell then let go.

            Its the US where we seem to have created a situation where police are highly incentivized to “get busts”, and where prosecutors need to show high-volumes of convictions, and where police will intervene in any life-situation (traffic-stops turning into “death” is a unique example) and escalate it for no good reason other than “they can”.

            I have a vague memory of reading a long essay somewhere about why this is the case here and not elsewhere. I think the Economist.

            1. I have a theory about this. It’s partly (at least) caused–in my opinion–by what I call the US’ “British-style” government and policing system. In pretty much all the anglophone countries that were essentially founded by limeys, there is a strong cultural aversion to bribery and outright, in-your-face corruption that is otherwise very prevalent in much of the rest of the world.

              This would seem, at first glance, to be a good thing; less bribery and less toleration of blatant corruption should make for better “public servants”, right? But I contend that it has the exact opposite effect. By removing a financial, “I don’t really care if you smoke a doobie, just slip me a 20 and I’ll go away” motivation, this means that the people who still want to go into these positions–in the case we’re discussing here, the police–do so for reasons other than simple, understandable, easy to deal with greed and laziness. The zero tolerance of bribery actually results in more people who want to lord it over others going into policing, because that’s what’s left once you take away the ability to skim much money from the job.

              No tolerance for bribery and laziness actually substantially changes the incentives for who wants the job. And not in a good way. We are seeing the results of years of people going into policing not because they want to do nothing and get bribed for it, but because they want the remaining major perk: being above the law and having a horrific level of power over non-cops.

              1. I think you’re 100% right about the bribery issue.

                (2 of my 3 international arrests were actually just Eastern European ‘shakedowns’ where we failed to bribe the ‘arresting’ cop, and instead had to bribe the ‘processing’ cop because we were too dumb to figure out how it worked)

                I seem to recall that issue was mentioned in the theoretical economist article.

                But i think there’s also more to it that isn’t about bribery, or sociopaths either. I think its just the political “law and order” infrastructure which needs to be fed to justify its rather high expense.

                Which is sort of why Urban democratic politicians are the last people in America to be pushing for Weed Legalization. Petty weed arrests are like the bread and butter of metro police forces, and taking that away takes away their justification for their pursuit of ‘other’ charges. Because its always the one that excuses the search.

                The fact that police departments have ‘arrest quotas’ at all is a disturbing concept.

                http://www.npr.org/2015/04/04/…..ng-lingers

                and its not just a NY thing. its just a “justifying the budget” thing in most places.

                1. Yes, all these factors play into one another. When the state counts on arrests as revenue, the state will actively police its own police because if they take bribes, they are “stealing” the revenue from the arrest from the state. Quotas are incredibly perverse but inevitable when a substantial amount of the government’s revenue comes from arrests and fines (which is the case for most local government). And so, since the state is actively discouraging people who want to take bribes from working for them, they then incentivize for people who want the power much more than the money.

                  And frankly, I’d much rather deal with a lazy, bribe-able cop or building inspector than someone who is much more interested in lording it over me than just making a few extra bucks.

                2. e.g.

                  Ex-Cop Admits Police Across America Have Mandatory Ticket and Arrest Quotas

                  “Kelly admitted that their department does expect every patrol officer to make three traffic stops and one arrest during each and ever shift. That totals nearly 270 stops and 90 arrests every single day… “Our officers are on the road 12 hours a day, so in a 12-hour period of time they stop three cars, I don’t think that’s unfairly targeting our citizens,” Kelly continued..”

                  yeah, *insisting* that your local police stop and process hundreds of people a day …basically fishing for ‘potential violations’… in a county with 300,000 people. That’s TOTALLY REASONABLE.

                  That means you’re aiming to pull-over 100,000 people (roughly a third of the population), and arrest 32,000 (10% of the public) every single year.

                  Whatever their actual stops/arrest #s are…. the fact that they go out every day with the *intent* to ‘enforce’ the law to this degree? Just guarantees that every single time they engage with a person, they are thinking =

                  “how do I convert this into a sale” (aka “a bust”).
                  “How can i escalate this broken tail-light into a drug charge?”
                  “How can i turn this person’s Really Bad Attitude into a *productivity opportunity*?”

                  1. Yup. Think about the kind of person that would do this job, that would want a job where as a matter of course, you fuck people over that otherwise are harming no one. That’s it’s literally your purpose each day to find at least X number of people and ruin their day, if not worse. And it’s not even for their own personal gain (other than the power rush). At least a bribe-able cop will take the money and then not otherwise ruin your day. They’d actually prefer that. It’s easier for everyone.

                    The job, as it now stands, is basically designed to appeal almost exclusively to sociopaths. It’s absolutely amazing.

                  2. What is their quotas on shooting family dogs? Seems to be about 1 a week.

              2. My theory is the American obsession with metrics at any large organization.

                When I worked at an investment bank, I was in charge of keeping track of our group’s various metrics. Being the wise ass I am (note the “worked” and other past tenses used)), I created a metric to keep track of how much time me and my reports worked on metrics. There was actually a whole, separate department of 3 people, plus a manager, who collected the metrics, put them into a pretty chart, and passed them on to the big bosses. The whole thing was surreal to me.

                Anyway, my guess is that large Police Depts are no different, a la the Comstat meetings in The Wire. The fear of every Manager where I used to work was having to answer for metrics that are lower this month than last month. It reminded exactly of those Wire Comstat meetings. And this is why cops don’t just let people who had a bad night walk away.

            2. ” people who get into drunken fights are given 24 hours in a cell then let go.”

              OK, that clinches it. I’m moving abroad. You do that in this country, land of the free, and into the system you go and onto your record it goes..

              1. Yeah, try Spain, where they can fine and/or arrest you for making fun of the police in person or on social media.

    3. If there was a shred of truth to what the cops say he did, he’d have several charges levied against him right now. They just beat the shit out of him because they felt like it.

      Hate to disagree. I think we’ve seen cases where there wasn’t a shred of truth and the cops STILL levied charges against the victim.

      Something tells me there was not only a lack of proof, but something else that led them to not charge him. What that is, I know not.

      1. The video or the fear of other videos I imagine.

  3. When a noise complaint is made the cops are only an hour away.

  4. “”The cops said, ‘Get your dog out of here or I’ll f—— kill it!'” Falcone says. “I was like, ‘What do you mean you’re going to kill my dog?'”

    WHAT DO THESE WORDS MEAN!??

    Yeah, that’s not the right way to address amped up police who are threatening you.

    Cops tend to feel “repeating themselves”, or having extended back-forth discussions with emotional drunk people, is far less appealing than stepping on people’s necks and shooting their pets.

    1. Cops tend to feel “repeating themselves”, or having extended back-forth discussions with emotional drunk people,

      From the linked article it seems that it was his brother that was drunk, not him.

      1. fair point

  5. I don’t understand what this guy is complaining about.

    He failed to follow a lawful order by the police. That justifies any type of manhandling and abuse that occurs.

    (at least thats what all the defenders of the Sandra Bland police officer tell me)

    He’s lucky he wasn’t shot.

    1. And at least his dog survived. Such are the wages of dealing with a pag of wild animals.

      1. Cops really are like dogs now.

        Imagine that you have a savage dog in your house to guard your house. He does an excellent job of preventing anyone from breaking in and harming you and your family. The only catch is that the dog will suddenly and unexpectedly turn on you several times each month, horribly injuring you or a family member.

        Would you keep that dog around?

        1. Dogs aren’t really naturally that vicious. You can make one like that, but it didn’t start out that way.

          Hmmm.

          1. Maybe we need to scratch cops behind the ear. They might like that.

        2. NO. Dogs can be trained.

          (So can pigs: that’s why I think it is inappropriate to call cops “pigs”.)

  6. At what point did this guy’s sexuality become part of the issue? Obviously, the cops mention it, but how did they even know in the first place?

    Did he behave in an effeminate way, and they thought, “Extra-easy mark”? Did they see something on or around the house that they associated as pro-gay?

    /(not bi-)curious

    1. “” Obviously, the cops mention it””

      Well, that’s what he claims at least.

      Which – as you note “”At what point did this guy’s sexuality become part of the issue””

      It raises the question of how they came to the conclusion he was gay from what looks like less than 10 seconds of interaction before the asswhooping begins (see video)

      ” He says they roughed him up while calling him a “f**”and a “f****t.”

      Anti-homosexual slurs aren’t audible on the video, which was taken from across the street and was viewed by the Daily News. “While I was on the ground, I had mud and blood in my mouth,” he said. “One (of the cops) said, ‘Don’t let it get on you, he probably has AIDS, the f****t.'””

      Just like the LA shooting mentioned in the other thread…which was terrible even though the story overlooked the fact the guy was a mentally-ill, convicted bank-robber…

      …while i think the actions by the cops are by themselves reprehensible *without any added homophobic element*…. there’s no proof yet that this was a “hate crime”, unless you just count the fact that cops hate people who don’t STFU and comply.

      1. Excellent points. If it turns out that there’s incontrovertible proof that they didn’t say anything of that nature, I won’t be remorseful for thinking it probably did happen.

      2. they argued with him for 10 seconds before beating him?

        Thats a lot of restraint shown by the police.

        A good example of the new professionalism of the police

        1. THIS IS WHAT SCALIA ACTUALLY BELIEVES!

      1. I imagine a number of us are going to watch this over the weekend.

        1. Remember that he was also on multiple episodes of Always Sunny as Da’ Maniac.

        2. Oh hell yeah.

    1. I listened to him tell part of his life’s story once, he had a hell of a life. Born in one of the coldest places on earth.Dropped out of school and left home as a pre-teen. Lived on an Indian reservation, started profession wrestling hen he was 14.Pissed off just about every promoter he ever worked for, but they kept asking him to come back because he could talk people into the building.

  7. The good news is his dog is still alive – for now.

    1. That’s the most shocking part of the story.

  8. The police’s account:

    When police arrived, “Falcone became belligerent and uncooperative. He appeared to have been injured in the fight with his brother. As the officers attempted to subdue him, he resisted and spit blood in the face of one of them,” a police spokesman said.”

    Sounds like assault on a police officer, but no charges were filed?

    New York is a nice place to visit has great opera, theater, delis, and Chinese food, but I wouldn’t want to live there.

  9. Falcone became belligerent and uncooperative. He appeared to have been injured in the fight with his brother. As the officers attempted to subdue him

    Attempting to subdue him for… being uncooperative and possibly being injured by someone else?

    “This faggot’s not answering our questions, throw him to the ground!”

    I give it 10 minutes before Tulpa shows up to ask how else the police are supposed to do their job.

    1. “This faggot’s not answering our questions, throw him to the ground!”

      Pilate: Stwike him, centuwion, vewwy woughly.
      Centurion: And throw him to the floor, Sir?
      Pilate: What?
      Centurion: THWOW him to the floor again, Sir?
      Pilate: Oh, yeth. Thwow him to the floor.

  10. “I said, ‘Please, I just had surgery on my foot,'” Falcone said. “One of the cops stepped on my foot.”

    When a bunch of sadists are beating you, you don’t tell them how to hurt you more. Dumbass.

  11. “he resisted and spit blood in the face of one of them,” a police spokesman said….

    “Falcone was charged with no crime…”

    OK, that does *not* compute. What is the cops’ explanation for *not* filing charges against someone who resisted arrest and spat blood at them?

    1. All I can think of is they thought the guy was crazy and took him to the hospital for evaluation without filing charges.

      What did he do which indicated he was crazier than your average person who resists arrest and spits at the arresting officers?

      1. And just to cover their own asses, wouldn’t they charge a guy they just beat up, with *something*?

        Maybe the reporting is incomplete, but it doesn’t look 100% good for the cops here.

  12. I’m wondering,has the sheer volume of police abuse stories and videos run Dunfee the ‘hero’ cop( ? ) off H& R?

    1. Dunphy stopped showing up when he exposed his account for a fake. He replied to his own post under the Dunphy comment totally talking in the third person mocking what he had just posted.

      1. Wait…what?! When did this happen??

        1. Swiss,

          I read that you may soon be committing a selfless act, and therefore I question your libertarian credentials. Altruism is disgusting, and you should be ashamed of yourself, sir.

        2. I second Swiss’s question.

          Do you have a link?

          Could Dunphy have been a Tulpa sock?

  13. Someone has finally dared to speak of the unspeakable one. Seems he’s done lost the election, one year before the GOP convention. Presidential elections sure are ending early these days.

    Rand losing election, already

    1. With Fox picking only the top 5 Republicans in polls (whichever those may be), I had Bo ask me how the Trump coverage and spectacle hurt Rand in anyway. You know, beyond probably forcing him out of the first debate.

      The leftists have been proclaiming his campaign dead from day 1. Gleefully. He probably doesn’t have much chance, but polls at this stage mean nothing. Where was Obama at this point?

      1. You realize Bo is just a Tulpa sock, right?

        1. I certainly think Bo could be a fake account, but I saw nothing definitive on that from my view.

        2. Man, I’m not yet persuaded. Both are certainly insufferable, but other than that, there don’t seem to be a lot of tells leaking through.
          Unless Tulpa is truly schizo…

          1. He was outright caught doing it one weekend a while back. I’m not the only person who saw it.

            1. I missed that.

          2. Tulpa has been disrupting this place as hard as he can under tons of handles for, what, 11 years now? At this point, the null hypothesis should be that any troll is him.

            Do you remember cunnivore from way back when? He let it slip that that was him when he was gloating a while back.

            1. Tulpa’s moronic gloating is what has exposed his socks the most. It’s funny watching the idiot be unable to stop himself from fucking up.

      2. You talked to Bo? There’s your first mistake.

        I think this is intentional. Rand doesn’t want to peak early. He’s very smart, do not underestimate this guy.

        And right, where was Obama at this point? Most people had never heard of him.

        1. All the talk about Rand being out already is just the usual electoral wishful thinking from the political junkies; they’re so invested in their politics that they basically have to do it to stay sane. You see these moronic proclamations a year or more before every election yet for some strange reason, no one keeps track of them and to pull out when the person who made them turns out to be completely wrong.

          I’m trying to remember the doozies that got pulled out in the runup to 2008. There was some serious lunacy there.

          1. Skeptical Inquirer magazine used to grab the horoscope readers and general ‘fortune tellers’ predictions for the year and then do a year-end score. Generally around 50% like you’d expect, but some would try to grab headlines with ‘aliens will be found at Area 51’ or some such and the scores would really hit bottom.

      3. “With Fox picking only the top 5 Republicans….probably forcing [Rand] out of the first debate.”

        That’s not what I’d heard.

        I heard they were doing 8, then 10….then earlier this week, when they said ‘fuck it’ and opened it up to anyone (apparently for poor wittle Windsey Gwaham), but will still be doing 2 different events – an early “everybody” debate, then a later “top 10” contenders debate.

        “Fox News is opening its 5 p.m. debate to all the announced Republican candidates who fail to make the cut for the Aug. 6 prime-time event, removing a requirement that participants reach at least 1 percent in polling.

        The change amounts to an insurance policy for candidates who were in danger of being disqualified from the vital first debate based on low polls ? Carly Fiorina, former New York Gov. George Pataki and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

        The announcement by Michael Clemente, Fox News Executive Vice President, News, means that all 16 announced candidates will qualify for Cleveland ? either the 5 p.m. undercard, or the 9 p.m. main event.

        The 9 p.m. debate will include the 10 candidates with the highest average in national polls, as determined by Fox News. The 5 p.m. forum will now include all the rest.”

        1. They can’t open it to all those seeking the GOP nomination, that’d be well over 100.

  14. Falcone says. “I was like, ‘What do you mean you’re going to kill my dog?'”

    See what happens when you don’t read H&R? You need to ask really stupid questions like this.

  15. “Then they’re hitting me for no reason,”

    There’s always a reason why.

    BFYTW.

  16. My solution to “police brutality” that happens in situations like this: more cops on the street and harsher laws, that way criminals will know there are strict penalties for not doing what a cop says .

  17. This is OT :

    Anyone else here on the Rand Paul mailing list?

    All he has talked about the last 4 weeks is anti-abortion and anti-immigrant bullshit. Can some remind me why he is a libertarian again?

    1. Uhm, he’s *not* a libertarian.

      He’s a Republican with libertarian leanings – more so than any of the others running.

    2. There are valid libertarian positions that are anti abortion and anti illegal(why do you people always leave that important qualifying word out?) immigration.

      That could be why.

  18. Last night I saw a drunk middle aged businessman getting in an argument with two young male cops. The drunk was using vulgar language and told the cops what he thought of them. The cops just smiled, listened and finally let the guy go after he calmed down. This was NOT in the US.
    Anecdotal, but the experiences I’ve had with cops in the US compared with the ones I’ve had abroad in various countries leads me to a conclusion that may be wrong but: US cop culture has a cancer in it. They love violence and the control that comes with it. Here in Japan, most cops just love the job security and pay/benefits. Sure they railroad people all the time, but the random beatings are almost non existent.

    1. See above for the discussion between GILMORE and myself about why it’s so bad in the US as opposed to other places.

      1. Agreed. Thanks.

      2. What about (say) Germany – I don’t get the sense they are as rampantly corrupt as in the US, and I’m pretty sure they’re not taking bribes.

        1. I think the “Corruption” better explains why police in poorer countries are ‘less violent’

          i don’t think it says much more than that, or can be applied to very-developed counties… to suggest it would “fix” the violence that police are prone to in the US.

          its simply part of the discussion of ‘incentives’ that people in positions of authority have.

          the petty-corruption of low-level police is probably associated with better relations with the public than, say, the high-level corruption of City Mayors who receive strong support from police unions in exchange for protection from criticism and/or “reformers”.

          1. In the more developed countries (Western European) I think the laziness aspect coupled with the fact that their local govt’s are less dependent upon the revenue is a strong reason for less violence. They also don’t seem to have the same job protection/immunity for their bad behavior. If someone has a job where they get to wield power over people and a system that makes it impossible to pay any price for abusing that power, what incentive does anyone have not to wield that power in any damn way they please?

            There’s also the the fact that the population doesn’t hold cops in high regard or treat them as some sort of heroes. In fact most European countries have very little respect for the authority of the police. They really do have a “you work for the people” attitude.

            I’ve seen quite a few times where citizens berate the local police in Europe, and the cops don’t escalate and violently attack anyone who fails to treat them with enough respect/deference. And the local populate wouldn’t stand for that.

            Culturally in America we treat cops like they are beyond reproach and act like the are something more than mere civil servants. It’s a weird fetishizing we do to cops over here. Too many people fall over themselves trying to justify and excuse bad behavior by cops rather than looking at it the way it should…that they are literally attacking and mistreating the people who pay their salary and who they are supposed to be serving.

            1. How/why did it get that way?

            2. That was the cycle of violence the skwerlz kept eating. The cops get away with BS and that attracts more and more sadistic cops to the ranks.

              1. So the cycle of violence theory is the cultural sorting theory.

    2. the random beatings are almost non existent.

      I find that doubtful. Pretty much every country has a history of cops brutalizing crooks, immigrants/minorities or dissenters.

      Anyway I suppose some of the problems with the cops are their militarization, their job security, becoming less risk averse and the reaction to the violence of the 1960s and 1970s leaving many people reluctant to criticize the cops for fear of it leading to a violent crime wave and/or social disorder.

      1. Cops being revenue gatherers won’t help either.

      2. Not helping matters is that many (all?) anti-cop politicians are authoritarian thugs too (see Robespierre, Lenin, Castro, Chavez, Khomeini).

        1. anti-cop politicians are authoritarian thugs too

          This makes no sense. Whom do the politicians think will enforce the politician’s authoritarian thug edicts?

          1. Whom do the politicians think will enforce the politician’s authoritarian thug edicts?

            People’s Revolutionary Guards?

            1. I don’t see much difference between the two groups except maybe the difference in uniform.

              1. Oh, and cops probably get paid more.

              2. Exactly my point.

      3. But they had plenty of violence in the 1960-70s in other countries too, & in some countries the cops have long been military. So why the difference?

    3. True; see above discussion re: reasons for differences.

      To be fair, however – japan is a homogenous, highly ordered society. The US has ~100m po-folk ranging from rural meth-head crackers, to urban thug 3rd generation drug-dealers. While yes, the cop culture in the US is indeed super fucked up… they are at least sometimes justly twitchy

      I think its hard to make huge, sweeping generalizations, even given examples like the subject of the post.

      1. I’m sure the cops in many countries are reluctant to beat up tourists.

        1. I’m not a tourist. Lived here my whole adult life. 20 years.

          1. Is it the same in the poor areas?

          2. Also the US occupation would have caused a major reaction against the behavior of the pre-war police.

      2. Being “tough on crime” and giving millions of people criminal records, US law enforcement plays a role in the cycle of violence. Sure many other factors play a role in Japan’s low violence culture, but one thing the US cops could do would be to reduce their role in the cycle. That takes political change.

        1. never suggested otherwise.

          simply saying that there’s a variety of reasons cops are quicker to use force in the US vs elsewhere, and some of those reasons ‘make sense’, versus the ones that really, really don’t (see above discussion w/ Epi)

        2. Also, neither here nor there =

          I tend to think terms like “cycle of violence” are empty phrases that put some kind of silly karmic-overlap on top of a very complex socioeconomic, cultural problem. It creates some kind of false-vision that “if only police were all sensitivity-trained therapists with nerf-bats, they’d nip those Gang Shootings in Baltimore right in the bud”

          its sort of the “nice”, feel-good explanation that has little basis in reality.

          its as false and over-simplified as the people who just say, “Black people are the problem”

          I think its an interesting fact which few people appreciate- that violent crime in America has been in decline for nearly 30 years now.

          No one *really* knows why. They cite a variety of factors…but none seem to be the ‘magic’ one.

          If the “cycle” theory were true, it would be *worse* now than in the 1990s
          Same with the people who want to blame blacks or hispanics. if they were so crime-inclined, crime should be worse now.

          1. Violent crime is down because of abortions and video games.

            1. I thought rape was down due to internet porn?

            2. Doesn’t quite explain how the biggest, steepest drop was in the early 1990s, when neither were quite as widespread as they are today

              Not to mention that the uptake of ‘abortions’ in the poorest classes where the criminally inclined were being bred was actually much lower than people have claimed. its been far more popular in lowering the birthrate of middle-class white women.

              but sure, its a theory.

              1. Not disagreeing but 4 attempts at clarifying and SQWERLZ!

          2. I tend to think terms like “cycle of violence” are empty phrases that put some kind of silly karmic-overlap on top of a very complex socioeconomic, cultural problem. It creates some kind of false-vision that “if only police were all sensitivity-trained therapists with nerf-bats, they’d nip those Gang Shootings in Baltimore right in the bud”

            Reminds me of that clich? about criminals being “victims of society” which helped cause the law-and-order backlash whose effects people are complaining about here.

          3. :I think its an interesting fact which few people appreciate- that violent crime in America has been in decline for nearly 30 years now.”

            You know, I say this all the time, and almost without exception no one believes me. They think crime is out of control and worse then ever, especially parents scared that their kids will be abducted and raped by the ice cream guy.

            I don’t know what to say when told by middle aged people that I’m wrong about violent crime being so much lower now than when they were kids.

            1. “[I’m] told by middle aged people that I’m wrong about violent crime being so much lower now than when they were kids.”

              My own brother made this claim to me in front of his wife and kids.

              I then showed him a chart that violent crime is about *half* what it was in the 1980s

              Pew Research have frequently noted this discrepancy between “reality” and “perception” in their polling

              e.g. Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

    4. This was NOT in the US.

      That was going to be my first question.

    5. Hell, I’ve been in “Brutal Communist China” for nearly three years now, and the police not only do little, they look like little kids wearing dad’s clothes.

      On the other hand, when jihadis attacked a train station not long ago, they were dealt with with dispatch.

  19. the way I see it is this fucking fucked up shit: cops that are nasty evil fucks and can rape the constitutional rights of criminals up its ass should be buying tickets to fight the FUCKING american dream in the form of shitty nuclear Muslim fucks in the ISIS/Qaed villages.

  20. a beautiful life is
    a cop in america
    because I can kill

    a beautiful life
    in america is a
    cop cuz I never lose

    a beautiful life
    in America is
    being a murderer called
    the man down cop

    Cuz a cop can draw a number
    and be loved by America

    Cuz a cop can shoot in the head
    and be called a hero if the boy twitched

    In America cops can live super free
    because Americans are fucking scared, Jesus
    So fucking scared

    they lost their religion, Jesus.
    gone… in the hills and deserts and swamps

    the cop bullet is the lost citizen scared and tight
    the cop bullet should fall last but the citizen demands otherwise.

    cop kill, please. cop kill. Make us safe on the rivers of civilization, cop…. please save us even if
    you fail always like the old lost histories where simple crimes were cause for death…

    save us, cop. Kill.

  21. Problem is if corruption is so good then shouldn’t Hillary and Obama be great libertarians? Shouldn’t Greece be a libertopia?

    1. Liberty loves the corrupt fucks?
      Liberty loves the chains?
      Liberty enjoys the usage of ethics to kill?
      Liberty cums off filthy killers and law abusers?

  22. Liberty demands justice for unethical death.
    Liberty demands the love for life.
    Liberty demands that human life be respected under all circumstance.
    Liberty calls for all authority to live and exist as scared representatives of human life.
    Liberty calls for no misuse or abuse of human life whether criminal or cop.
    Liberty calls for the respect of human life, its goals, and its deviant natures that affect none other….

    Liberty is America. But. not really because if your FUCKING shitty dumbFUCK cop ass is in Cincy with reporters that love cops you can actually shoot a nigger in the fucking head and have Cincy news reporters massagin your teeny tiny cop dick for murder. Praise Lordus.

  23. I finally understand the cop motto: “To serve and protect.” It’s shorthand for:

    “To serve our personal desire for sadistic kicks and to protect ourselves from any possible reprisals.”

  24. cops love a cold bottle and they love a cold body shot in the dead.
    why appreciate a cop?
    they are deep coughs of a nasty state.
    cops are visible.
    they drive shitty cars with shitty art and they are usually shitty people.
    but the legislature in all the states is what creates what we suffer and are killed by.
    The cute collegiate or farmer or let’s impress the hood peoples striving for power
    at those levels across the geography of this thing/

    policing power that kills can be ended with a SINGLE sentence.

    cops generally follow their rules.

    change the rules… you change cops/

    And America needs to change its cops.

    stop killing runners, drugheads, and trippers.

    stop killing your brothers and sisters, cops.

    stop the bullets.

    stop cops from killing,

    and would someone fuck the FOP up the ass with a million hippos which means //////….

    if a million hippos attacked you or your org what can you imagine will happen?

    yea…I AM FUCKED up up but I am learn how to post in this internet waves…

  25. cops can be taught to love.
    cops can be educated on peace.
    cops can be encourage in America to appreciate
    their country…

    because.. I think most cops think they exist in hell and a trillion terrorists live outside their FUCKING dumbass brains..

    jesus FUCKING christ… gangsters aren’t even this fucking dumb….

  26. #ItalianAmericanLivesMatter

  27. “Video embedded in the News story from across the street shows the beating, though not close up.”

    The journalist who wrote the story happened to live across the street?

  28. Residents of nyc deserve what they get

  29. Oh, wait, white guy.

    All right, move along people! Nothing to see here!

    /s

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