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Rand Paul: "Mistake" to Jab at Obama's Love of America as Guiliani Did

Rand Paul refuses to leap into GOP scrum of attacking Obama for assumptions about his motives

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One of the least interesting news manias of the week has been former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani discussing his opinion that President Obama doesn't really love America (or you, or me, or him). 

Obama has been the very living embodiment of American government power for the past 7 years, and not too reluctant to use it against enemies, and just random citizens, both foreign and domestic—whether it comes to foreign policy, spending, taxing, regulating, and arresting. Thus, I doubt any alleged lack of love for the U.S. of A matters in any way that Giuliani or the people delighted to hear him say it might think.

If this supposed lack of love for America merely means an occasional intelligent ability to question the probity and morality of certain of the U.S. government's actions in the past or present, it could be about the best thing about our president.

That being said, and what Giuliani said being said, it's a pretty silly thing to dominate the commentary cycle as it has. People on either side jumped on this sentence spoken by a former mayor like the prize horse that was going to take them across some political finish line, gleeful that supposedly vitally important hidden truths widely believed by America's talk-radio listening right populists were coming from someone of the apparent serious heft of Giuliani.

Or, alternately, gleeful as the supposed dark racism and other-ism and sheer mindless Obamahate that motivates the right is exposed.

Caring that much either way seems a waste of time, but Americans do like a chance to revisit the vitally important topic of how just awful their political opponents are, those America-hating or patriotism-questioning bastards surrounding us.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) wants to win over not-traditionally-Republican votes in his hoped-for run for president in the general election in 2016. It's interesting to watch him gingerly stake out territory distinct from what the average intelligent independent voter leery of the GOP might think of as the grosser aspects of Republicanism, the sort of questions of tone, spirit, and tactic that can turn people off more than some specifics of policy.

So Paul told a Kentucky news station, as Mediaite reports, that:

"I think it's a mistake to question people's motives. It's one thing to disagree on policy."

Paul said he's not interested in questioning whether Obama's a "good American or a bad American," because while he may blame the president's foreign policy for making the U.S. less safe, he's not going to question whether Obama's "well-intentioned."

Like Guiliani's Obama, Rand Paul might not love you and he might not love me. And whether this sort of reasonableness will do Paul any good with voters generally skeptical about the GOP who might find it hard to see past, for example, his stands on issues such as abortion, taxing the rich, and cutting spending remains to be seen. But right now it's nice to see Paul not taking the silly road when taking that silly road might make things easier with his own Party's core voters.

Back in 2009 I questioned Obama's self-appointed role as "President of Everything," an article that was anthologized in Best American Political Writing 2009.

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  1. JUST SAY NO TO BO.

    DO YOUR PART!!!

    1. There can be no resisting the…Bo-pocalypse.

    2. There’s nothing here about Walker, so Bo prolly hasn’t figgered out what to post yet.
      But, regardless, yes. Engaging someone acting like a spoiled 5YO is not gonna make your day.
      Rolling in mud, pigs; you get the idea.

      1. Just a public service announcement.

        Soon, it’ll just be…. white noise.

        1. “White noise”!?

          DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW THE COMMIE MIND WORKS, MANDRAKE?!

          GENUINE AMERICAN PROGRAMMING SHOULD END ONE WAY ONLY

      2. You pick on the guy too much, and ruin the threads. You don’t enlighten a youngster by tormenting him. He’s a lawyer. If you win him over instead of alienate him, he may help libertarianism.

        1. You give it way too much credit.

        2. Playa is a juvenile who just wants to hang out with what he perceives as the cool kids so he can swap recipes and gossip. He is a fucking flighty little girl who thinks he is the cutest cheerleader.

          And he never brings any intellect into a debate. Just churlish little insults like his BFF Sevo. At least fellow Team Red cheerleader Irish can hold an argument.

          1. This may be the first time that ol’ cuntface has made me laugh. Thanks for the chuckles, Shreek.

  2. I don’t understand why it’s considered an insult to say that you don’t love America. It’s not like America loves you back.

    1. You know how rabid Ugly Betty fans can be.

    2. Hugh Akston|2.21.15 @ 11:59PM|#
      “I don’t understand why it’s considered an insult to say that you don’t love America. It’s not like America loves you back.”
      I’d bet if a team blue member made that comment about Bush, there’s be no gripe.
      IOWs, I think it’s a team/’journalist’ issue that fills a slow news day; no one was beheaded today.

      1. “I’d bet if a team blue member made that comment [attack patriotism] about Bush, there’s be no gripe.”

        Here’s little Josh Earnest defending his boss from Ed Henry for essentially doing the same thing to Bush when he was candidate Obama.

        http://dailycaller.com/2015/02…..tic-video/

    3. “It’s not like America loves you back.”

      DONT YOU SAY THAT!!!

      (don’t listen to them, my flag-striped mount rushmore plushy!! pappy-wappy goona pwotect you fwom the meanie-weenie commie scum)

    4. on a sort-of more-quasi-rational tip, despite the subject being fundamentally nothing but FEELS =

      I think this BS “love america” thing is on its most basic level something of an appeal to people who are old enough to remember the Cold War…

      …and how it genuinely put people into “pro vs con” camps as far as whether “Western Values of Capitalism, Individual Liberty, and Freedom” were to be defended (even when you had criticisms about their imperfections…as did traditional ‘liberals’)…

      …or whether you hailed from the part of the 1960s, far-left whose very identity was all about nothing but ranting and railing about the historical Sins of Western-ideals, how capitalist imperialism was irredeemable, and that the false consciousness must inevitably be destroyed, etc.

      The truth is, that Obama *does* hail (both genetically and ideologically) from that particular strain of the left. And he’s the first president to do so (not that there’s been tons of options.. but still). No other democrats who ‘swung that way’ ever amounted to all that much.

      So in that sense, there’s actually some theoretical meat on that bone. Not that politicians are going to get all ‘llectual and start deconstructing it for people. But i think that’s really what Giuliani was more or less getting at.

      1. “But i think that’s really what Giuliani was more or less getting at.”
        I’m agreeing with your earlier comment that Obo is the first POTUS to reject what is considered American econ values, but I’m also gonna question that Giuliani either had that concept in mind, or is even capable of doing so.

        1. ‘ I’m also gonna question that Giuliani either had that concept in mind, or is even capable of doing so”

          He did a second interview ‘expanding’ on his comments where he basically said as much

          Rudy’s a tool, but he’s not actually factually ‘wrong’ about anything here.

          ” “Look, this man was brought up basically in a white family, so whatever he learned or didn’t learn, I attribute this more to the influence of communism and socialism” than to his race, Giuliani told the Daily News.

          “I don’t (see) this President as being particularly a product of African-American society or something like that. He isn’t,” the former mayor added. “Logically, think about his background. . . The ideas that are troubling me and are leading to this come from communists with whom he associated…”

          Whatever – as i said… i was ‘reading in’ to his comment. And i think there’s some underlying sense to it, particularly in light of Obama’s frequent mask-slippages following from the mid-term losses. He doesn’t need to pander quite as much as a lame duck, and his true colors are more apparent.

          1. As a “survivor of 9/11” (I was in Taiwan at the time), anything Ghouliani says, I automatically disregard.

  3. OK, I drilled down into the links, and finally heard what Giuliani said.
    It can safely be ignored by anyone who thinks the state is not the final arbiter of all matters.
    I don’t know if he’s simply not real bright or trolling for bluegills, but there’s nothing there.

  4. “Paul said he’s not interested in questioning whether Obama’s a “good American or a bad American,” because while he may blame the president’s foreign policy for making the U.S. less safe, he’s not going to question whether Obama’s “well-intentioned.””

    And that, my friends, is why the Progressive Theocracy advances, and Liberty retreats.

    The Progressive Theocracy routinely hurls charges of not just lack of love, but outright hatred and evil intent at their opposition. They call their opponents racist, sexist, homophobes who hate the poor and want to throw grandma off a cliff.

    The Progressive Theocracy intentions are to *rule* their neighbors through force and fraud. It is depressing to hear one of the most libertarianish candidates in our times unwilling to question those intentions.

    You are unlikely to succeed at resisting evil if you are even unwilling to question whether it is good.

  5. Scott Walker didn’t just duck the question of Obama being a Christian, he shoved it up the reporter who asked him’s ass. This is fantastic.

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a prospective Republican presidential contender, said Saturday he does not know whether President Obama is a Christian.

    “I don’t know,” Walker said in an interview at the JW Marriott hotel in Washington, where he was attending the winter meeting of the National Governors Association.

    Told that Obama has frequently spoken publicly about his Christian faith, Walker maintained that he was not aware of the president’s religion.

    “I’ve actually never talked about it or I haven’t read about that,” Walker said, his voice calm and firm. “I’ve never asked him that,” he added. “You’ve asked me to make statements about people that I haven’t had a conversation with about that. How [could] I say if I know either of you are a Christian?”

    1. But he doesn’t even have a college degree!!!

      1. Being an agnostic, Obama’s more of a Christian than I am, but who could possibly win a Presidential contender without Sky Daddy on his side. That alone doesn’t makes him a good person or a good leader, but I don’t think he’s evil. I just think he stepped into a “I can’t believe how fucked up things are” situation after eight years of misrule by the Bush that God talks to and didn’t know where to go from there. His main qualifications were that he wasn’t a Republican. ACA is not the way to go, but the American Medical Association labor union/cartel definitely need to stopped from looting the American people. They are the apotheosis of crony capitalism.

        1. And there’re not looting the American people now? ACA is any even worse clusterfuck of cronyism.

        2. I’ve never understood why incompetence is somehow more attractive to some people than maliciousness.

          1. I’ve never understood why incompetence is somehow more attractive to some people than maliciousness.

            Because everyone loves and can forgive the bumbling lovable loser brother who fucks up and loses the family farm, but meant well. Whereas everyone hates the conniving, greedy uncle who says sweet things while pilfering the family inheritance. The end results are the same, but the intentions are totally different.

            Intentions matter to most people.

            This is why libertarians, if they are ever to be successful, must attack the pretense of progressive “good intentions.”

        3. I just think he stepped into a “I can’t believe how fucked up things are” situation after eight years of misrule by the Bush that God talks to and didn’t know where to go from there.

          He knew exactly where to go which is why he doubled-down on everything bad of the Bush years.

    2. He continued

      “To me, this is a classic example of why people hate Washington and, increasingly, they dislike the press,” he said. “The things they care about don’t even remotely come close to what you’re asking about.”

      Walker said he does not believe that most Americans care about such matters.”People in the media will [judge], not everyday people,” he said. “I would defy you to come to Wisconsin. You could ask 100 people, and not one of them would say that this is a significant issue.”

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..story.html

      Of course the media is trying to spin at as Walker trying to imply Obama is not one by saying he doesn’t know. Ah no. It was Walker telling the media to go fuck themselves.

      1. And now the media will go to WI and find that 2 out of 100 people say it’s a significant issue and LOL at the retard dropout.

      2. Is this a hill they want to die on? Because the evidence, such as it is, that Obama’s a Christian is going to be where he went to church for decades…

        1. C’mon Acosmist… I’m quite sure that Obama never actually listened to anything said by Jeremiah Wright during those 20 years.

          And that $250K he donated was for the children!

        2. You completely miss the point. He didn’t die on the hill. He didn’t answer the question. He told them to fuck off and stop asking idiotic questions no one cares about.

          1. I think Acosmist was talking about the press, not Walker

            1. Yeah, this. If the press wants to make Rev’m Wright an issue again, as a DEFENSE of Obama, let them do that.

  6. I think all any of this shit really means? is that – snow be damned – its CAMPAIGN SEASON, BITCH!

    1. What snow?

      1. REAL AMERICA GETS SNOWED ON

        ONLY THE COMMUNIST INFILTRATED STATES HAVE BOYCOTTED IT

        1. *and Mexicans

          1. they terk urr snooo!!

            1. I though they were supplying our snow?

          2. You haven’t had tacos until you’ve been to East Los, GILMORE.

            1. Are the Taco Bells better there for some reason?

            2. People in California seem be under the impression that Mexicans never made it out of the state.

              We have taquieras in NYC. Are they ‘LA’ good? Who cares. Mexican food as a cuisine is a matter of ‘slightly different arrangements of the same 4-5 ingredients’. As long as the ingredients & tortillas are fresh, and the mexicans still fairly mexican, its pretty good wherever you go.

              My buddy lived in LA for 6-7 years and over that time he brought me to all the ‘ghetto mexican’ joints that were hip at the time. none of it was ‘mind blowing’. Mexican food is never really that bad or that good. *(with the exception of fresh-caught/cooked fish in Cabo) My favorite thing about Mexican is the beer and the jalapenos.

              by contrast, i can think of a half dozen things you can’t get outside NYC that are 10X as good.

              I think california has the best weather, indeed. and some fantastic country. the food is good, but if you brag about it just shows a lack of perspective.

              laws, people? call me back when the long-awaited ‘big one’ earthquake has solved those problems.

              1. “Mexican food as a cuisine is a matter of ‘slightly different arrangements of the same 4-5 ingredients’. As long as the ingredients & tortillas are fresh, and the mexicans still fairly mexican, its pretty good wherever you go.”

                If that’s you’re seeing, then the Mexican restaurants in New York totally suck.

                Especially if one of those 4-5 ingredients is cheddar cheese.

                That’s “Mexican” cuisine that’s been mass produced for American tastes. That’s like pointing to Chop Suey as indicative of Chinese food. I bet you can go to Chinatown in Manhattan and order Chop Suey, too. But you’d have to ignore a world of awesomeness to find it.

                Same thing with Mexican food. It varies dramatically by region.

                You’re right about the fish in the Yucatan–where you still can’t hardly find any beef or cheese. They refer to the steakhouses as “Argentinian restaurants”. The best way they do the fish in the Yucatan is deep fried.

                http://www.theyucatantimes.com…..s.com_.jpg

                They do the whole damn fish.

                The three sides that come with every meal in the Yucatan are limes, chopped onions, and hot peppers. I thought about it for a while, and they all have antibiotic properties. In the tropics there’s a geometrically higher bacterial count floating in the air and falling on your food. And the locals eat onion, lime, and peppers with everything. It’s not conscious–I think it’s like a social adaptation.

          1. I almost broke down and wore a jacket when I went out to dinner tonight. Almost.

            1. The A/C was on high in the restaurant? You poor thing!

      2. Yea, really. I vacuumed the pool wearing shorts and a t-shirt today. Apparently there’s some places where it’s a bit nippy.

        1. CA or FL?

          1. close to the latter

            1. Super top secret!!!

              1. Well [opens 9th Guinness] when you think about it … ‘close to FL’ is more specific than ‘FL’. [Pondering whether that’s technically true, Sidd returned to watching curling on the DVR]

                1. Irish beer, Canadian sports. I’m so confused.

                  Bahamas? You lucky bastard!

                  1. Here in Taiwan we have Mexican liquor, Dutch beer (16% alcohol Oranjeboom), and American cigarettes at US$1.50 a pack. TV sports, who cares? I lift and swim.

                    1. I lift and swim.

                      Dunphy?

        2. That sucks. It never even cools off a bit where you are?

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  8. Sorry Rand, but I do question Obama’s motives. If Obama simply wanted to replace “equality before the law” with “equality of outcomes”, then I could put him in the same box as the fuzzyheaded thinkers who came up with that later phrase. However, I believe that Obama’s motives and his goal truly are to replace Liberty with “fairness”. That is a fundamental redefinition of what America is, and can only mean that he hates America.

  9. When I love something, I don’t want to fundamentally transform that thing.

    1. Well said!

    2. You do if its sick with disease – see the economy in 2008. The financial crisis was worse than 9/11.

      1. And full of black people. Shut up racist.

    3. You’re obviously not a woman, then.

    4. Which is why “I love America” doesn’t mean anything. Does it mean you love the idea of America? The way it is now? The way it could be? Saying that “I love America” is just an empty signal to emotional, unthinking cheerleaders.

      1. “America” or more specifically “The United States of America” refers to a specific people, land mass and government as sketched out in the Declaration of Independence and specified in the Constitution. “Love”, “support”, and “willing to sacrifice for” are statements of intent by individuals towards the object of fulfilling the written goals of those documents. While for many politicians and commentators “I love America” means nothing other than “I want your vote or support so that I can take over”, for others it means something very concrete.

  10. So what’s going on with all this quizing red-teamers about Obama?
    1) Slow news weeks for the reporters so ‘let’s mess with the red-teamers and get them to say something stupid so we can act all outraged’. Giuliani started it but he’s a silly little fascist.
    2) Preemptively defend Obama’s legacy. Which means they’ve already written him off.
    3) Frame the whole of the R presidential candidates as crazy anti-Obamanites (and so, obviously Racists!) to get the black people to vote for Hillary – in outrage at least. Since the biggist hurdle in ’16 for Hillary is getting black people to come out and vote for her.

    1. GOP candidates are, historically, reliable generators of stupid statements. The press sees all of this bullshit as one big horse race, so it’s “is Team Red or Team Blue ahead today?!”

      They aren’t defending Obama’s legacy. They aren’t that smart.

      And don’t you worry about getting out that vote. Hell, I’ll bet even the dead will vote Hillary! Literally.

    2. Since the biggist hurdle in ’16 for Hillary is getting black people to come out and vote for her.

      Getting white union members and their families out to vote for her will probably be a bigger hurdle, and the critical one.

      I still seriously doubt she’ll win the nomination. The coronation was prepared for 2008 and a total fucking nobody stole her throne. Why? The Dem core really doesn’t like her.

  11. Sometimes you jsut have to roll with it dude.

    http://www.FullAnon.tk

  12. If this supposed lack of love for America merely means an occasional intelligent ability to question the probity and morality of certain of the U.S. government’s actions in the past or present, it could be about the best thing about our president.

    [cite needed]. I think more Americans might remember Obama’s open contempt for “bitter clingers”.

  13. I see no reason we cannot call Guiliani’s comments racist (which I think they are) without trotting out the strawman that liberals supposedly use the racism of opponents as a defense to everything Obama has done.

    I would challenge anyone to go to Vox, Kevin Drum, Josh Marshall, etc. and find a place where they counter a criticism of Obama’s foreign policy or Obamacare or whatever by saying that the criticizer can be dismissed because the opinion is by a racist.

    Obama’s presidency has exposed more racism than I thought we had in the US. But the fact that Guiliani felt he could say in public also says a lot — there’s a lot of appeal to racists. As the Simpsons said about FoxNews “Not Racist. No. 1 with Racists.”

    1. The only racism going on is people like you who are so racist that you are unable to hold a black President to any standard of behavior. You just were not ready for a black President. You are too race obsess and still too wedded to paternal white supremacy.

      Come back and lecture us about racism when you are ready to judge people as human beings and by their merits rather than by the color of their skin and can see a black man as a full human being rather than a cardboard cut out in your own internal morality play.

      1. I don’t give a flying fig what color Obuma’s parents were, it’s his Marxist philosophy that irks me. I felt the same about Teddy Kennedy, does that make me anti-Irish?

      2. A strange comment considering that I said nothing for or against any Obama program, policy, or behavior. We can point out racist statements by people (typically opponents), and perhaps use that as a start of a race discussion. Independently, we can debate the merits of any policy. My main point was that I do not see Obama supporters crying racism as an alternative to discussing the merits of policies.

        1. “A strange comment considering that I said nothing for or against any Obama program, policy, or behavior.”

          Well, why don’t you go ahead and name one then?

          Which one of Obama’s policies hasn’t been defended by his supporters with the charge that the opposition to his policy was really about race?

          Hasn’t that charge been made by his supporters in the most general way?

          Hasn’t that charge, when it’s leveled, always suggested that it isn’t the policy that his opponents object to but to Barack Obama personally?

          Why would you bring up a “straw man” about Obama’s race, and then turn around and claim that the opposition isn’t really about Obama personally?

          Looks like you want that river to run both ways. Looks like you want to claim something is a “straw man” and then turn around and commit the very thing you’re saying is a straw man.

          Why haven’t you pointed out any of the policies you’re talking about? Isn’t it because that might not make it seem like it’s about race?

          You very much want Giuliani’s statement to have been racist–so you’re trying to play it both ways. But the logic thingy doesn’t work that way.

    2. “I see no reason we cannot call Guiliani’s comments racist (which I think they are) without trotting out the strawman that liberals supposedly use the racism of opponents as a defense to everything Obama has done.”

      The only straw man I see here is the suggestion that opposition to Obama’s policies is ultimately about questions of race.

      The point that crying wolf on racism hurts the cause against racism, meanwhile, remains valid–and describing Giuliani’s comments as racist sure looks like crying wolf to me.

      You want to see some real racism? The NAACP has correctly pointed out that the Drug War is racist. That Drug War has been perpetuated for six years by Barack Obama.

      Are you going to tell me my opposition to Obama’s racist Drug War is somehow about my racism, too?

      1. I did not read Guiliani’s comments as being about any policy, but more like D’Souza-style pop psychology of how Obama is “not like us.”

        Again, I do not see liberal supporters using allegations of racism as an alternative to debating merits of policies, and would not view opposition to any policy by itself as racist. So, no, your opposition (and mine) to the drug war would not be racist.

        1. “I did not read Guiliani’s comments as being about any policy, but more like D’Souza-style pop psychology of how Obama is “not like us.”

          It doesn’t have to be about any particular policy. It’s about all of them. Obama is not like us.

          Barack Obama is hostile to free market capitalism.

          Meanwhile, he’d rather sell African-Americans down the river than take on the public employee unions on the Drug War.

          Barack Obama announced that he will sign a climate change treaty agreement–without the approval of Congress–two months before the last midterm.

          “WASHINGTON ? The Obama administration is working to forge a sweeping international climate change agreement to compel nations to cut their planet-warming fossil fuel emissions, but without ratification from Congress.

          In preparation for this agreement, to be signed at a United Nations summit meeting in 2015 in Paris, the negotiators are meeting with diplomats from other countries to broker a deal to commit some of the world’s largest economies to enact laws to reduce their carbon pollution. But under the Constitution, a president may enter into a legally binding treaty only if it is approved by a two-thirds majority of the Senate.”

          http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08…..reaty.html

          1. Barack Obama is apparently far to the left of the New York Times, and as far as I can tell, Barack Obama doesn’t give a shit about what the Constitution says about…anything.

            Obama is not like us.

            And pointing out that Obama is not like us does not make Giuliani racist.

            It makes him candid.

  14. And good for Rand Paul for not feeding the animals.

  15. I think it’s smart for Rand Paul to stay away from this stuff.

    If he wins the nomination, at some point, he’ll need to convince some of the people who think Obama is a nice guy and voted for Obama last time to vote Rand Paul this time. And when that time comes, the Democrats are going to dig this stuff up and try to make Rand look like a maniac.

    I think it’s great that people question Obama and his motives. I wish they’d done it two and six and years ago, but there isn’t much for a candidate to gain here by jumping on the dog pile.

    Incidentally, I’m not sure there’s much for libertarians to gain here either. Talking about Obama being a communist and a Muslim makes us look like right-wing conspiracy theorists in the eyes of Soccer Moms and the yoga pants set. …even if it’s true that Obama is a communist and a secret Muslim.

    And we want Soccer Moms and the yoga pants set to like us–especially the yoga pants set. They’re the Soccer Moms of tomorrow. And besides that?

    Yoga pants.

    1. It’s smart of any candidate to stay away from stuff like that. It’s exactly what the media want is for the candidates to delve into non-issues and wedge issues so that the real issues can be avoided and there can be more deflection away from the run away corruption in DC.

      I don’t think Obama is a Muslim, but it’s a non-issue. Walker was smart to answer the way he did when they asked him if Obama is a Christian.

      I am convinced that Obama is a hard left ideologue, but no candidate needs to come right out and say that, they just need to stick to the important issues, like the economy.

      1. Incidentally, my guess is that Obama is an atheist.

        I haven’t seen any indication that he understands the basics of Christianity, and most of what he says and does to me looks like what someone would say and do if he was an atheist.

        Obama seems to think Christianity is all about opposition to abortion and gay marriage, and whenever I see people who seem to think that the Westborough Baptist Church is somehow representative of essential Christianity, I think, “Oh, so the guy’s an atheist”.

        I think what most of these people going after Obama for being a Muslim are about is trying to suggest that he’s basically the Manchurian Candidate. In other words, they’re mostly concerned about his unwillingness to fight Muslims. And, yeah, whatever Obama’s influences are, I’m not sure I want him putting troops on the ground whenever and wherever possible–just to show he’s not a Muslim.

        Regardless of Obama’s religion and regardless of whether ISIS wants us to fight a war against Islam, I really don’t see how it’s in America’s best interests to fight a war against 1.5 billion Muslims–the overwhelming majority of which (99.99 percent?) present no security threat to the United States whatsoever.

        So, yeah, I’m a little leery of going after Obama for being a Muslim anyway–like I said, even if he is one.

  16. “I think it’s great that people question Obama and his motives. I wish they’d done it two and six and years ago,…”

    He looked them straight in the eye and confidently said ” I am going to fuck you all to death”. They clapped like trained seals, cheered and voted for him. Fuckin’ idiots.

    I will never forgive them for that.

    Speaking of Mr. Undermyplanenergypriceswouldnecessarilyskyrocket I opened my electric bill this morning. It has gone from ~$150 four years ago to ~$400. I hope the cocksucker gets pancreatic cancer.

    1. He looked them straight in the eye and confidently said ” I am going to fuck you all to death”

      Yeah, for me it’s not about nebulous “patriotism” – it’s about the fact that we have a president (and first lady) who concretely ooze condescension for average Americans and many of the things they stand for.

      1. “We have a president (and first lady) who concretely ooze condescension for average Americans and many of the things they stand for.”

        It does seem to me that they are contemptuous of the American middle class.

        1. Hey, the middle class are just a bunch of potential one-percenters! That makes them guilty too.

  17. Pluralistic Cretans who don’t perceive America within the same reptilian logarithm mashed about by the god in Guiliani’s head are ingrates and incapable of national lust… Obama is simply the leader of these soulless bugaboos and therefore receives the ultimate tongue-lashing from the iron Crocodile King.

    I simply refuse to believe one should love a fucking country anywhere on any planet. Perhaps inward gratitude and a dedication to ethical and transcendent philosophies that can improve the most current civilization in a manner that restricts unrelenting and destructive power pools… but not fucking love.

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    I’m going to show you how I make a living online! Here is a company that will pay you $100 if you don’t make money in 24 hours. Take a look this company has an A+ Business Bureau Rating
    Get Paid Up To $23.75 Per hour …..

    ????? http://www.netpay20.com

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