Police Abuse

Full Tamir Rice Video Released: Attorney Calls It 'Cruelest Thing I've Ever Seen,' And You Will, Too

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Tamir Rice
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Reporters for cleveland.com obtained extended footage of the killing of Tamir Rice. The full video demonstrates police officers' callous indifference to the boy they had wrongly shot. The two cops allowed him to bleed for several minutes; the first person to administer aid to Rice was actually an FBI agent who happened upon the scene while the officers stood around doing nothing.

Well, that's not quite right. They did something—they intercepted Tamir's sister as she ran to help him, knocked her on the ground, wrestled with her, held her down, handcuffed her, and placed her in the squad car a mere 10 feet away from her mortally wounded brother. And it was there that she waited, according to cleveland.com.

Cleveland police were responding to an emergency call claiming that Rice had a gun, although the caller made clear that the gun was very possibly a fake replica weapon. Police officials have insisted that the responding officers were unaware of that suspicion, however. Regardless, they shot him within moments of arriving on the scene.

Timothy Loehmann, the officer who killed Rice, had a record of mental instability and was previous forced to resign from a different police force for his "dismal" gun performance.

After shooting Rice, the officers failed to administer first aid for the subsequent four minutes. Eventually, an FBI agent administered aid. Paramedics arrived around minute eight.

Walter Madison, an attorney representing the Rice family, said of the video: "This has to be the cruelest thing I've ever seen."

Madison said the video depicted officers who showed "overwhelming indifference" to Tamir as he lay on the ground.

"No one thinks that it's appropriate to try to save him," Madison said. "The first person who does is not affiliated with the Cleveland police department.

"This is the level of service that makes people very upset and distrustful of law enforcement."

The killing is being investigated by the county sheriff's department. Who wants to lay odds on the chances of an indictment?

Related: "Police Union Boss Defends Killing of Tamir Rice: 'When We Tell You to Do Something, Do It'"

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313 responses to “Full Tamir Rice Video Released: Attorney Calls It 'Cruelest Thing I've Ever Seen,' And You Will, Too

  1. Madison said the video depicted officers who showed “overwhelming indifference” to Tamir as he lay on the ground.

    But the officer made it home safely to his family. So what’s the big deal?

    1. Indifference was shown.

    2. For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

  2. Depraved indifference is a requirement for being a police officer.

  3. I keep hearing about good cops.

    How do I make sure my town has them?

    1. Walk around your local Walmart carrying a toy gun, you’ll find out fairly quickly.

      1. I’m looking for a process I can be reasonably assured will work more than once…

        1. Cops as in police department? Practically non existent. Best bet is to move to an isolated area. Some place so small that they only have a Sheriff and a few deputies and jailers. Places like that don’t have the tax base to fuck with people and get away with it. Since the Sheriff is an elected position he knows he can’t piss off too many people in a small town and get away with it. Also, everybody knows everybody else in a small town, including the Sheriff. Even if you don’t there’s a good chance that close friends or family does. Do you think Tamir Rice would’ve been shot if there was a 25% chance that his dad was friends with the chief of police? There’s no guarantees, but this is a decent starting point.

          1. I live in a small town and being the county seat, we are saturated with both sheriffs and a police department. The sheriffs do behave remarkably well by cop standards, they’re still assholes in my book but nothing like our local police department, even little old church ladies call our PD a bunch of assholes. The difference is, the sheriff’s department is headed by a directly elected official, the police department is headed by a chief appointed by a city manager who is in turn appointed by the mayor.

          2. Forgot to mention. Make sure the small town is in a right to work state and find a Sheriff who hates unions and is a member of Oath Keepers.

            1. “find a Sheriff who hates unions and is a member of Oath Keepers.”

              True this. A County Sheriff is the ownly power that is directly elected by the people that can step in between the Federal Gov. and a citizen.

              If your County Sheriff isn’t an Oath Keeper do your best to elect one who is and constantly remind him why he was elected. In the coming years it could be a matter of Liberty and/or death.

            2. Most lefties view the Oath Keepers as a scary militia group.

              OMG – they might make sure the constitution is followed!

    2. Abolish the police department?

      There are plenty of cops who are decent enough people who really want to do good. But until those ones start being a whole lot more active in condemning and removing the bad ones, they fall short of what I would call truly good.

      1. But until those ones start being a whole lot more active in condemning and removing the bad ones, they fall short of what I would call truly good.

        Never going to happen. Not unless there is some sort of reward for turning in bad cops. As it is if a good cop turns in a bad cop, they find themselves alone. No one will work with them, and no one will respond to requests for backup. They are totally alone. At that point if they don’t quit then they are fired. Ratting out bad cops is about the only thing that can result in their losing their job.

        1. I wonder if abolishing cop unions would do anything to change this.

          1. I don’t think so. It’s ingrained into the culture.

          2. I wonder if abolishing cop unions would do anything to change this.

            They’d still get qualified immunity, they’d still have a cozy relationship with prosecutors and they’d still have ideological legitimacy from the vast majority of the stupid people who surround you everyday.

            1. What they wouldn’t have, though, is a large, well-funded, politically powerful organization preventing any reform or accountability.

              That’s a big change. Banning police unions isn’t sufficient, but it is damn sure necessary.

              1. All public employee unions should be abolished along with the Wagner Act.

          3. Police unions have sovereign immunity? I don’t think so. Sue the police unions into nonexistence would be the best strategy.

        2. Just like that guy in Austin who spoke up. Fired almost instantaneously.

          And nothing else happened.

          1. They need to all stand up at once. And keep speaking up when somthing like that happens. If they all get fired, and keep making as much noise about it as possible, at least we will see how many good ones there were. And maybe something will change.

      2. Abolish the police department?

        Privatize most it, in particular patrolling. It’s tricky, but cities can do it. A private security force is much less likely to go around shooting people randomly, if not for any other reason because they may be held criminally liable. Saves quite a bit of money too.

        1. Yes, this would be ideal, but is it likely? I doubt it.

    3. Good cops are like leprechauns. We’ve all heard stories about them but no one has ever actually seen one.

  4. The killing is being investigated by the county sheriff’s department. Who wants to lay odds on the chances of an indictment?

    30:1 against.

    1. This will be interesting. There’s video and it’s a kid. I don’t know how they weasel out of this one.

      1. Indeed. Let the rioting protests begin.

        1. You misspelled “armed insurrection”.

      2. There has been video before. And kids, for that matter.

        Clark’s epic rant at Popehat put it well:

        Jamal the $5 weed slinger, Shaneekwa the hair braider, and Loudmouth Bob in the 7-11 parking lot are at the bottom of the hierarchy. They can, literally, be killed with impunity ? as long as the dash cam isn’t running. And, hell, half the time they can be killed even if the dash cam is running. This isn’t hyperbole, mother-fucker. This is literal. Question me and I’ll throw 400 cites and 20 youtube clips at you.

        1. I had forgotten about that one.

          Clark isn’t a favorite of mine, he tends to ramble on about irrelevant minutia, but he was spot on there.

    2. I’d give better than that. This one in pretty egregious. I’d put odds pretty low that he will be charged with something that is really appropriate to his crimes, though.

      1. News report from the future: Cleveland police officer Timothy Loehmann has been indicted on one count of reckless endangerment in the 2014 death of Tamir Rice…

        1. You forgot to include and was acquitted following a lengthy trial and suspiciously short jury deliberations.

          1. “Your honor, we just don’t have enough evidence to continue this prosecution. The state asks that you dismiss these unfounded charges, with prejudice, and we offer Officer Loehmann our sincerest apologies.”

            1. And PAID SUSPENSION.

      2. The killing of Eric Garner was egregious too – and nothing else happened.

        1. To the killer, no. To the reputation of NY’s Finest: pretty much shot. For now.

          1. Among some, sure. Generally speaking though I’m not so sure. Combined with the human proclivity to forget about these things the NYPD will suffer no significant consequences whatsoever.

            As an aside, I routinely see people in Times Square have their pictures taken with cops. Makes me want to puke.

            1. It’s the makings of a tragedy when the scumiest dirtbags in society are held in high esteem.

          2. Their reputation doesn’t mean dick. What are people gonna do, go to their competitors?

            1. The problem with cops is systemic, starting with the tax funding of their racket. Any service provider financed through extortion and theft will necessarily dissatisfy it’s consumers because there’s not incentive to satisfy. Add on top of that ideological legitimacy and next thing you know cops have their boot your neck while your neighbor’s cheer it on.

            2. Protest and keep protesting until this shit stops.

              Give thanks to De Blasio for dissing them. (Cops are still afraid to overstep their bounds – that’s a win.)

              But yeah, in the long run, it is perfectly evident to me that nothing will change. But, I have a dream…

              1. I would be disappointed (as well as relieved) if the NYPD didn’t turn their backs to me.

              2. Protest and keep protesting until this shit stops.

                LOL

              3. Protest and keep protesting until this shit stops.

                Protests are neither effective, nor are they a particularly good way of making public policy.

                How the police department is run is decided at the town/city level. Running for a seat generally is fairly easy compared to other political offices and gives you a lot of power to change things.

        2. It was. But Garner was big and pissed off. I find him quite sympathetic, but people who think that everyone should just take whatever the cops want to give you probably don’t.
          The kid didn’t even have a chance.

          We will see.

          1. It was. But Garner was big and pissed off. I find him quite sympathetic, but people who think that everyone should just take whatever the cops want to give you probably don’t.

            It’s almost like reading what my dad said to me when we discussed this over my Christmas vacation. “Well, you know, he resisted arrest, and he had a lot of health problems anyway, and he was illegally selling cigarettes, and the cops used a headlock–not a chokehold.”

            Oh, I guess he deserved to die, since that’s the case.

            1. a headlock–not a chokehold

              wat

              1. That was almost exactly my response.

                “That’s what a lot of expert police testimonials said,” apparently.

                Turns out he didn’t actually watch the video It’s upsetting that he’s a conservative, and it’s likely that he got all of his talking points from conservative media outlets.

                1. Turns out he didn’t actually watch the video It’s upsetting that he’s a conservative, and it’s likely that he got all of his talking points from conservative media outlets.

                  It sounds like our Dads are practically interchangeable.

                  I mentioned Tamir Rice and his reply was that the kid had taken the orange tip off the gun.

                  The only way I could convince him that things might have been/are going too far is when I point out that we paid for surplus military vehicles to be handed to police forces that don’t need, can’t use, and/or can’t maintain them. I also pointed out, in that vein, that he was complaining about not being able to lay hand on 9mm ammunition several months ago.

                  Then my brother showed up with several bottles of his homebrew.

                  1. Ahh, homebrew. I bet that made everything betterish.

                    I haven’t talked to my dad about Rice. I don’t think I want to.

                    1. Ahh, homebrew. I bet that made everything betterish.

                      Considering I started the conversation by pointing out that I used to put the same brother in headlocks and sit on until he would scream “I can’t breathe!”, his out-of-state homebrew tasted a lot like irony.

                2. A lot of conservatives have grown to be reactionaries. To them agreeing with anything that liberals support, is the equivalent of agreeing with a socialist/communist.

                  So as long as they are given some kind of rationalization to not agree with liberals they will take it. If they can’t find a rationalization, they’ll just keep silent.

              2. Look at the fucking picture. It is the type chokehold that was against policy at the time.

                And nothing else happened.

                Who gives a shit exactly how the cops killed Garner, anyway? What fucking difference does it make whether they choked him to death, or caused a heart attack by kneeling on his chest?

                1. I know this, but good luck reasoning with my staunch, 60-year old, conservative father.

                  The conversation ended with him saying he needed to do more research since I’d brought up some things he was not aware of, apparently. I sincerely doubt he’ll actually do any research, and he’ll probably just continue not taking his youngest daughter seriously.

                2. “Well, you know, he resisted arrest, and he had a lot of health problems anyway, and he was illegally selling cigarettes, and the cops used a headlock–not a chokehold.”

                  What is the functional difference between a chokehold that chokes you to death and a headlock that chokes you to death?

                  Should have given him the ole Hilary Clinton defense “What difference at this point, does it make?”

                  1. Should have given him the ole Hilary Clinton defense “What difference at this point, does it make?”

                    That would be been gold, GOLD! He hates that woman.

            2. “Well, you know, he resisted arrest, and he had a lot of health problems anyway, and he was illegally selling cigarettes, and the cops used a headlock–not a chokehold.”

              My hypothetical reaponse: “So, which crime, in your opinion, was deserving of the death penalty: resisting arrest, or selling loose cigarettes? Also, in the video of the incident you can clearly see that the officer’s forearm was under Garner’s chin. What would you call it if someone grabbed you from behind and pressed their forearm into your windpipe? Because the MMA term for that technique is ‘rear naked choke‘.”

              1. My hypothetical reaponse: “So, which crime, in your opinion, was deserving of the death penalty: resisting arrest, or selling loose cigarettes?

                Not far from my actual response, which was along the lines of, “Oh, well, I guess all of those things justify killing a man in broad daylight, in full view of multiple spectators, on a city sidewalk. Don’t sell loose cigarettes, got it. Or, don’t seem put upon by getting arrested, if you’re not currently selling loosies.” He just rolled his eyes at me, which is about right.

                1. I think every libertarian has a conservative father who gets his opinions from Fox News.

                  1. Confession: when I was younger, I happily identified as a Republican, too.

                    Eventually I noticed that neither the Stupid nor the Evil party were ideologically consistent, and I cut loose and just figured I’d be “independent” for a while.

                    1. I got turned into a conservative once. I got better.

                    2. My dad’s the same. On the rare occasion I can get him talking about policy in general terms, he’s not that different from me. But on an issue like Ferguson or Garner, where the problems run a lot deeper than the incident that grabbed all the attention, he forms a knee-jerk response and nothing’s going to budge him off of that. He’s certainly not going to do research on the issue.

                      Fortunately, over the years my brother and sister eventually started moving towards my positions ideologically…I wore them down. 🙂

                  2. I think every libertarian has a conservative father who gets his opinions from Fox News.

                    Seems like there is a good mix of left and right win fathers of libertarians. My father was a lot more to the left, but to his credit did understand economics pretty well.

                    1. Dad was more libertarian when I was younger but he’s more on the crotchety, Pat Buchanan paleo side now.

                    2. Does not compute. Impossible to be on the left and understand economics pretty well.

                  3. I think every libertarian has a conservative father who gets his opinions from Fox News.

                    Mother, not father here.

                    I swear her TV only picks up Fox News? it’s tuned their 24/7.

                    Yes, she leaves it turned on and on Fox all day and all night.

              2. My hypothetical reaponse: “So, which crime, in your opinion, was deserving of the death penalty: resisting arrest, or selling loose cigarettes?

                You missed contempt of cop?

                1. My dad’s a Repub by registration but not very political unless it’s something that pushes his buttons, like California’s high-speed rail boondoggle. When he visited a few times ago he said something like, “I’m almost with you on legalizing drugs, except…” which was an out-of-nowhere, shocking way to start a conversation.

          2. Have people forgotten “Don’t taze me bro!”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkLUP-gm4Q

            If they are doing that to middle class white kids, a big 300 pound black man ain’t got a chance in hell.

      3. Administrative charges. No criminal.

    3. I’d say there’s a decent chance he’ll be indicted.

      I wouldn’t lay odds on a conviction though.

      1. If he’s indicted, it will be for leaving tire tracks on the park’s grass.

        Not for standing around while a serf bleeds. Hell, that’s happened before, and no indictment.

        Not for shooting the kid. Hell, shootings of unarmed people have happened before based on furtive movements, all kinds of stuff, with indictment.

  5. The kid was black, what were the police supposed to do? Not murder him?

    1. Plated a few bags of smack on him. Then it would have been justified.

      1. *planted

  6. Cop first aid at its best.

    I hope if I ever have a stroke, heart attack, or serious accident there are cops in the vicinity. They seem to like watching people die.

    1. Man, you seem to be a really good sport…

    2. I’ve heard from various EMTs that they don’t like it when cops show up for ambulance calls. They tend to just get in the way and make things more difficult.

      1. That was definitely my experience. The EMTs could barely get the stretcher in the house past all loitering cops and the cops tried to delay them getting me on the ambulance so they could ask me questions I had already answered a dozen times.

        1. “Are you sure you just got shot in the ass?”

        2. Maybe they had never seen that many cats in one place.

          1. Wait, that is what SF means when he says his house is a pussy palace?

            I had an entirely different interpretation of that statement.

          2. lol

      2. The other day there was an ambulance call to the condo complex I live in. A small community in Westchester, NY. Two cop cars showed up as well. WTF?

        1. My experience responding to medical emergencies is as Zeb described above. Police always made everything worse, much worse.

          The good thing was, they rarely co-responded, and for the life of me, I could never figure out any rhyme or reason on why they occasionally arrived on scene.

          The other good thing, They were so freakin’ slow about everything that they often arrived as we were finishing up and heading out.

          1. I could never figure out any rhyme or reason on why they occasionally arrived on scene.

            Boredom. Hoping to see some blood & gore.

        2. Two cop cars showed up as well. WTF?

          That tells you your town employs way too many cops, and doesn’t do dick to control overtime.

          1. Good point.

          2. Yep. I’ve seen a fire engine, police and ambulance come to a house where it was guy with difficulty breathing.

            It was fun to watch the ambulance drive into the fire engine. Then while the guy is in the back, everyone came over to see how much damage was done to the respective vehicles.

            Fire trucks and ambulance then left 10 minutes later.

            Cops sat in their car for 30 minutes.

            Now you know why ambulance rides cost $1,000.00

            1. Because the officer was writing the report from the call he was on before the one with the guy in distress?

        3. Any excuse to roll out and take a little sneak peak at the inside of someone’s home. They were probably hoping to see a bag of ellicit substances on the coffee table so they could arrest and/ or kill someone. It’s the only way they can get hard.

        4. Why was the ambulance called?

      3. The exact opposite from a soldier…everyone gets extensive training up to and including IVs. Everyone is expected to give aid.

        1. You don’t think cops are trained give aid to each other? Of course they are. I assume they are also trained to allow the people they shoot to bleed to death.

          1. First aid on the morbidly obese is different than first aid in general, right? Maybe that’s why they can help out their fellow officers but not the people they shoot.

            1. Eric Gardner disagrees.

          2. Dead Victims can’t testify

        2. The exact opposite from a soldier…

          On so many, many levels.

        3. In that accidental shooting of the woman being escorted by cops as she picked up her stuff from her boyfriend’s place, the husband was restrained by the cops and prevented from helping her. He was pleading with them that he was a combat veteran and knew what to do.

          Appalling.

        4. I was surprised by how much of boot camp was taken up with first aid training. I guess I shouldn’t have, but I was.

          I have a firefighter buddy who is amazed by how much I know about basic first aid.

          1. Combat Lifesaver Training was a real eye opener for me.

          2. Actually,that’s my test to verify someone’s claim to veteran-hood. Every real veteran knows how to treat a sucking chest wound. For some reason, that part of the first aid classes really seems to stick.

        5. This is false. Army standard is 10% of Soldiers on the Unit Manning Roster should be Combat Lifesaver Qualified. That is the course which used to include starting an IV, but that training was removed about five years ago. All Soldiers have very basic training to evaluate a casualty, clear an airway, control bleeding (with direct pressure or a tournequit), and splint a broken limb. Oh… also treat burns.

    3. C’mon, man. the kid was down but the gun was still there and I hear all the time in police incidents that weapons are discharged. The poor heroes in blue were rightfully in fear for their lives lest this weapon discharge as well.

  7. Regardless, they shot him within moments of arriving on the scene.

    Moments? Please. That involves at least some pause on the part of the officer. Instead, the cop has his gun drawn and is taking a shot as he’s opening the damn door. He makes literally no effort to peacefully defuse the situation, even if he was operating under the assumption that a situation actually existed.

    This is a textbook example of “shoot first, ask questions later.”

    1. Has there been any explanation as to why the cops drive right up to the supposedly dangerous suspect? It makes no sense to me, unless they were intending to take the kid down.

      1. I think its pretty obvious that was their plan from the moment they got the call.

        “Gangbanger with gun in park! Terminal response required.”

        1. “The unnecessary use of violence in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers, has been approved.”

      2. “explanation as to why the cops drive right up to the supposedly dangerous suspect? ”

        The cop was too lazy to walk farther and had bad aim. They didn’t just run the kid over because they didn’t want the messy bits in the grill of the car. They’ve got a tough job.

        What gets me is that before the cops show up, just who is the kid supposed to shoot? No one was in danger, until the cops show up. As usual.

      3. Has it dawned on you that there were two human beings in the car? One an old hand, the other a rookie who started off on thin ice? Has it dawned on you that maybe the rookie was driven up to that kid saying to himself “WTF are we getting this close?” Has it crossed your mind that the guy who did the shooting isn’t the one who put them in such a tactically stupid position but had NO power to control the situation? Has it crossed anyone’s mind here at “Reason” (a site which is remarkably devoid of analysis for one bearing such a name) that the driver officer placed himself and his partner in a LUDICROUSLY dangerous spot for dealing with a reportedly armed man, and, thus, a REASONable person should perhaps stop and think “what were they thinking” and “who was thinking what?”

    2. In his defense, he thought Tamir was a dog.

  8. It’s not a drive-by execution when a policeman does it.

    1. Well, he did bother to get out of the car.

      1. Didn’t want to have the hot brass damage the interior of his car?

        1. It’ll melt right through those cheap vinyl seats.

  9. Reason needs to start putting “TRIGGER WARNING” in their titles.

    1. NUT WARNING

      1. “See that blinking red icon next to the title? That’s the Active Codpiece Warning System. Put it on, now, before it’s too late.”

  10. Madison said the video depicted officers who showed “overwhelming indifference” to Tamir as he lay on the ground.

    Hey, they had to notify their union rep. One thing at a time.

  11. Maybe cops killing innocent children should be a hate crime? All the cop boot lickers can kiss my ass. They had a big gathering in down town to’support ‘ these cops. What do you say BOOYA Boy? Or are you too busy banging a supermodel?

  12. http://www.newsweek.com/second…..ead-297715

    ^ Second shooting in Paris, not known if related to Charlie Hebdo shooting.

    1. The guy opened fire on cops with an automatic weapon. That makes it seem very likely this is related, since there aren’t exactly automatic weapons all over the streets of Paris.

      1. I guess you haven’t seen the documentary Taken.

      2. there aren’t exactly automatic weapons all over the streets of Paris.

        It’s really unfortunate that the victims didn’t have the ability to arm themselves. If they were able to conceal/carry I wonder if the death toll would be lower.

        There’s real balkanization happening in France in les banlieues. While the immigrant ghetto’s are small proportionally to the total country’s population, within urban areas they’re significant. The economic and cultural stagnation combined with this balkanization doesn’t predict a dynamic or peaceful France for the future.

        1. If this shit keeps up, I wonder how long it will take for the French to start attacking the banlieues en mass. They are not historically noted for their tolerance, after all.

          1. The sooner the better. FBUHTSF (Fuck Be Unto Him The Sheep Fucker).

          2. I had read somewhere that the banlieues are “coincidentally” designed in such a way they’re easy to cut off from the rest of the city. Dalrymple, maybe? I’ll have to dig that up.

  13. I bet that if there was audio of the cops in the car on the way to the scene, that it would show that they decided to kill the kid before they arrived.

  14. People, whatever you do, don’t even think about reading the comments to the story linked on Cleveland.com. The people there make Tulpa and Dunphy look like cop haters.

    1. As a Browns fan (I know,I know) I read Cleveland.com often.It’s like the old South there at times. I know why good players will not go there.

  15. I’m sure that if a non-cop shot a kid that he thought had a gun, the cops and prosecutor would treat him with the same deference that would be shown to police officers. I searched all over the interwebs and couldn’t find a single case of this happening mind you, but we can all be sure that’s how it would go down. After all, it’s the best and greatest justice system in the world I’m told.

  16. Kizone Kaprow 16 minutes ago
    I totally believe everything the lawyer who is representing the boy’s family in a multimillion-dollar lawsuit says. His unbiased words should be taken as literal truth. Why would he embellish his comments with appeals to emotion? Because of his hefty commission? This lawyer is truly doing God’s work.

    1. I totally believe everything the lawyer who is representing the boy’s family in a multimillion-dollar lawsuit says.

      And the video showing the cops rolling up and opening fire like an MS-13 hit squad?

      The video showing them assaulting and arresting his sister?

      The video showing them watch him bleed out?

      Who needs to believe a lawyer, when you’ve got your own eyeballs?

  17. Kizone Kaprow 7 minutes ago
    @How Do You Know @Kizone Kaprow He’s a paid liar and gullible puppets quote his propaganda as fact, not opinion.

  18. Kizone Kaprow 15 minutes ago
    @Firstcomm15 Are you actually saying that people who spend all day arguing with strangers on the internet bring their preconceived biases with them and never, ever change their minds? That’s very antisocial of you, comrade.

  19. Kizone Kaprow 5 minutes ago
    @Daffy Duck @noturbone What the cop-hating anarchists really want is dead cops who wait to be fired upon before returning fire. They’re not allowed to defend themselves in the same manner in which private armed citizens demand for themselves.

    1. Damn you, Warty. I was trying to warn people, and here you go shoving it in their faces.

      Since you already started it, I think this one might be Dunphy:

      DG
      25 minutes ago

      Officers did a good job restraining the sister. Good police work all around.

      1. I wish I could say that I’m surprised that she uses H&R to find new places to troll.

        1. In this case you are on the side of the angels,that is very scary

      2. That one is pretty obviously sarcastic.

        1. I thought so too, but if you look at his other comments, it isn’t. Either that or it’s the long troll. But I’m guessing it’s serious.

        2. I don’t think it is either of these.

      3. It’s telling that a child was killed by a gut-shot and the cops get commended for their “good police work”. This is why I wish there actually was a war on cops.

      1. Nope. You know who it is.

        1. I thought it might be Tulpa, but you’re right. Only one person could be that mentally unhinged in website comments.

          1. And that person still obsessively reads H&R. It even commented on my blog that no one reads. It’s kind of amazing. Almost have to give some grudging respect for the persistence.

          2. I think you guys are being too generous about the scope of this immoral stupidity. Tulpa and Dunphy are but two out of millions of power worshiping cop fellators. Odds are this isn’t Tulpa, just one of the millions who think like him.

            1. I retract that. It’s Mary and I didn’t realize that she had a google+ page dedicated to trolling Reason. The best part is that no one reads it.

            2. It’s not Tulpa, it’s a far sicker and unhinged troll from long ago.

              1. Yeah, I read ore of the comments and remember that name being used by M. Stack here last month…ugh.

    2. Sounds good.

    3. I see Stormfront is making deliveries to Reason these days.

      It’s considerate of them to remind us what subhuman scum exists out there. Merci Beaucoup.

  20. Related: “Police Union Boss Defends Killing of Tamir Rice: ‘When We Tell You to Do Something, Do It'”

    Don’t wait to be told. Any time you see a cop, throw yourself face down on the ground with your hands locked behind your head.

    Just to be safe.

    1. That didn’t help David Hooks. https://reason.com/blog/2014/12…..d-was-face

      1. Good shoot, he could have had a gun underneath him, furtive movement, officer safety.
        hth

      1. The God emperor commands you

    2. Ah, act like a Japanese peasant in the presence of a Samurai.

      1. Pretty similar at this point, unfortunately. They can both kill peasants with impunity for insufficient respect and obedience.

      2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgUqk2tl31o

        Strange about the reference to the Samurai. A Moldbug fan, perhaps?

        http://unqualified-reservation…..scare.html

    3. As my mom said, “And I suppose if they told you to go jump in the lake you’d do that too?”

  21. don’t even think about reading the comments to the story linked on Cleveland.com.

    Luckily for me, cleveland.com is one of the many websites which decline to function on my computer.

  22. Kizone Kaprow 3 minutes ago
    There’s a video!

    We of the YouTube Generation demand instantaneous justice!

    Somebody get a rope!

    She never, ever, ever changes her act, does she?

    1. She is the definition of insanity.

      She loves it when black children are murdered. It’s the only thing she gets a clit-boner at this point.

      1. I wonder if she’s from a police family, or if she’s decided that we hate cops and therefore she loves them. Probably the latter.

        1. She believes nothing. She will argue on the side of anything if she thinks it “hurts” us.

          Although, unless the rest of cleveland.com commenters are just her sockpuppets, the whole board needs to be cleansed with holy fire. Many of them seem to be delighted with the fact this little boy was murdered by the police.

  23. I am NOT watching that. Nope. Not doing it.

    1. Agreed. The abbreviated nutpunch was sufficient, I don’t need it again over the course of 29 min.

  24. The other thing I love is how she goes to random places and tries to smear us.

    Kizone Kaprow 1 minute ago
    Typical comment from reason.com, America’s Libertarian Chat Room:

    sarcasmic|1.8.15 @ 9:55AM

    I bet that if there was audio of the cops in the car on the way to the scene, that it would show that they decided to kill the kid before they arrived.

    How many “libertarians” here agree with him?

    1. Oh god. More of them are going to come here now, aren’t they?

      Time to shelter in place, people.

      1. To the battlements! Man the arrow loops! Prepare the oil!

    2. I followed Calzone Craphole once to another site and pointed out, with citations, that it was a virulent racist and anti-Semite.

      Calzone squealed like a stuck pig and responded with murderous rage. Like a snap your fingers and he turned into a manic, wailing psychopath rage.

      The webmaster responded by banning Craphole.

      1. Somehow I didn’t know that she hates Joos. I’m…not so surprised.

        1. I’m actually somewhat surprised. The hatred of blacks was obvious, but I’d never seen the anti-Semitism before.

          Wait, let me rephrase. I’m not surprised that she’s anti-Semitic. Just surprised that it came out.

      2. What citations? I want these so I can post them in every comment section where I see him/her/it.

        1. They’re mostly on Kraphole’s Google plus site. Though he’s memory-holed many of them once he learned that I was poking around in there.

          1. Wait. She has an entire Google+ site dedicated to trolling Reason and showing how awful we are?

            Christ. Does anyone know where she lives? I’m starting to think that a 72 hour mental health hold might be appropriate. I’m seriously worried she might head to DC and Reason HQ with a weapon.

            1. I don’t even think it’s Mary. HM did some brilliant internet detective work and found that Kizone Kaprow appears to be a random horrible musician from upstate New York.

              I believe it’s a different crazy person from Mary Stack. We just assumed it’s the same person because they’re both mentally ill.

                1. There’s an entire digital paper trail, but I got to run to my office. But what I’m trying to say is that Krapow/Weixelbaum is Illuminati Confirmed.

                2. It was nice of Krapow to confirm that Ballsack was just another puppet.

                  What was the point of registration if copsuckers like Krapow and Tulpa can still troll under dozens of throwaway handles?

              1. I choose to believe it’s Mary because if it isn’t, there’s another one like her out there. And my mind can’t process that possibility.

              2. KK firmly denied being Mary when it trolled my blog but I pointed out that it didn’t matter how it self-identified, as the commentariat had forever linked the two and so it might as well get used to being called Mary.

            2. That google+ page is hilarious. Every post is a completely transparent smear of libertarians. Example; she calls libertarians inconsistent on the issue of ‘freedom of association’ because libertarians think businesses should be allowed to discriminate.
              You can’t make up that kind of stupid. The best part is that she repeatedly refers to Sarcasmic as the epitome of an anarchist. Pretty funny stuff all in all.

              1. My favorite part is this:

                Her 10:23 AM post says that libertarians are horrible for using the france attack to push their libertarian agenda. The reason article makes the claim that France’s lack of free speech embracement sends the wrong message.

                She says:
                “The bodies have barely cooled, yet libertarians are already blaming the victims for yesterday’s terrorist attack in Paris. Anything to push the libertarian agenda, eh Reason? Disgusting.”

                However, her 5:30 AM post shows the French cop getting executed by one of the terrorists, with her own alt text:
                “”Gun-rights patriot” kills a “jackbooted thug.”

                So, apparently, it’s totally awesome to use the attacks to make political smears about libertarians and gun rights. But, if you argue for free speech, you’re just shamelessly pushing a libertarian agenda, with no respect for the dead.

                The hypocrisy meter has been pegged.

                1. loldongs … islamist = “gun rights patriot”?

            3. That’s what I heard. Better deploy a SWAT tea. It’s “rumored” that she has an AK-47 and an RPG tube.

          2. That is just bizarre.

  25. Nothing like a nice hard nut punch to start my day. Thanks reason, I was already questioning the wisdom of getting my ass out of bed and dragging in to a job I hate. A one way to trip to Mars is looking more and more attractive by the day.

    I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

    1. Wow – this parallels my morning in so many ways. Troubling.

      Hail, fellow traveler, well met…:)

    2. Good news. God and/or nature invented wine, pot, and opium. Get yourself a nice hobby and anything is tolerable.

      1. *picks up knitting…and herion…needles…*

        1. “herion” ? Really?

          le sigh…

          1. I’ve heard that junkies are always cold, so a nice fuzzy sweater may be necessary.

  26. Murder. No other way to frame it. Both officers should be thrown in jail, along with any other police that didn’t try to give aid before he died.

  27. I just keep thinking about a 12 year old kid – and picturing them getting SHOT. And cops standing there…what horror for that poor kid, lying there dying. What was he thinking? I don’t want to know the horror.

    I try to be charitable, but my corrupt human heart hopes the fucking cop who shot this kid rots in agony in hell for eternity for doing that. May God have mercy on his (and my) awful souls…

    1. My son is 12. If a cop murdered my kid like that…

    2. You kidding? I doubt the cop feels a thing. After all, the kid forced his hand when he failed to obey. The cop had no choice. The kid basically shot himself. It was a good shoot. High fives all around. Who’s buying the next round?

      1. SMOOCHES!

        BOOYA!

      2. the kid forced his hand when he failed to obey.

        Failed to obey what? There was no time to even give a command, much less see if it had been obeyed.

        1. Aw, come on! They screamed at him as they rolled up! If he didn’t hear them then that’s his fault for not listening!

      3. “I doubt the cop feels a thing.”

        He feels plenty. Proud. Smug. Satisfied. He probably gets a hard on anytime he thinks about it.

    3. Well, according to the scum on cleveland.com, Tamir didn’t die until the next day, so the cops didn’t do anything wrong.

    4. That caused the police to ejaculate.

  28. Speaking of this sort of stuff- I did a little spelunking at the Missoulian the other day, after seeing in the HnR morning links a story about a guy killed by the Missoula cops.

    In the comments to one of the stories, there was a comment from a guy who pointed out that any time there was a story even marginally critical of the cops, the comments get swarmed by people claiming stuff like “You weren’t there!” and “You’d be lost and helpless without the cops to protect you!”. He (correctly, I suspect) theorized it was an orchestrated effort by cops and their families. I’m certain it happens everywhere.

    So much for dunphybot 2.0’s “we’re winning” nonsense.

    1. An army of Kaprows.

    2. There’s also a definite downvote brigade on Reddit when there are stories/comments critical of police actions.

    3. They really can’t take criticism.

      A while back, an acquaintance posted a very inflammatory cops-should-get-away-with-anything argument on face-book defending a cop who was on suspension. I wrote a brief comment juxtaposing her standard to the one employees at any business are held to ie you violate your employer’s policies egregiously (releasing confidential information in this case), their decision to fire you isn’t immoral and an affront etc.

      It turns out her best friend is married to a detective in the Boston PD, so my rebuttal triggered a firestorm of protest from all these cop wives who also saw the post. The acquaintance ended up deleting my comment, messaging to me that she was doing so not because she thought I was out of line but because she was getting a continuous stream of text messages expressing horror at my comments’ existence.

      Cry bullies attract other cry bullies I guess.

      1. Yup. Cop wives are the worst…every criticism of police, no matter how reasoned or mild, is tantamount to treason and a call for open rebellion and looting.

        I have a friend who married a cop (from the NYPD, no less). I used to discuss politics with her quite frequently…we disagreed quite a bit, but we could have a discussion. Now I barely even speak to her because it’s like trying to have a conversation with a spambot.

        According to her, Garner was “resisting arrest” and killing anyone in that situation is acceptable no matter how mild the crime they’re charged with, and everyone who says different just hates cops. Nobody will probably ever break her of that line unless she gets divorced.

        1. ‘According to her, Garner was “resisting arrest” ‘

          People keep saying. What exactly are they seeing? That he refused to kill himself the moment he saw a cop? All I see is a large man doing his best *not* to resist the gang of thugs assaulting him.

        2. It’s a good time to be a propagandist, people are so dumbed down, they’ll buy anything.

          I wonder if someone said that Eric Garner was choking on his own spit before the officer put his arm around his neck, if she’d buy it?

    4. Can’t fellate someone if they don’t make it home at the end of the day. Unless it’s the milkman.

  29. My wife was asking this morning how much this happened before video recording devices became prevalent everywhere.

    Two decades ago, the video of the police beating of Rodney King shocked many of us. Now it seems like we get something like it weekly.

    1. Two decades ago, the video of the police beating of Rodney King shocked many of us. Now it seems like we get something like it weekly.

      Dave Chapelle has a bit about dead black men being found with crack sprinkled on them; “I don’t wanna leave no mysteries!”

      I used to laugh at it because I thought it was just a funny joke. As cameras and footage becomes more prevalent, I have to wonder.

      1. This exactly. I was suspect of a lot of the “humor” about this topic.

        No more.

        “Brothers were right ALL ALONG!”

        I’m kind of ashamed….srsly.

  30. My son is 12. If a cop murdered my kid like that…

    I am honestly surprised and disappointed that cop hasn’t been found hanging from a lamppost.

    1. “What’s one more Johnny Rocco to me?”

    2. If a cop killed my 12 year old son, he and his EXTENDED FAMILY would all be tits up. As painfully as possible.

  31. My local paper is still editorially fellating the cops. They seem to have overlooked a case two weeks ago where cops fired 20 shots, killing an unarmed man who smacked his car into a police cruiser while being boxed in by police cars. Interestingly, the cops in a neighboring county had a similar encounter this week – guy pulled over for traffic violation, backs into the police cruiser, cops jump out…and pull him out of his car and arrest him. So some cops do try to use reasonable force and others with quick trigger fingers deserve to be in prison.

    1. The guy who the cops boxed in had made threatening statements on social media. That was a planned execution.

      1. That was a planned execution.

        Link please? That’s scary as hell!

      2. The description sounds just like the assassination of Sonny Corleone.

        1. /pours out some vino

        2. Which deserves severe lead poisoning in an Italian restaurant while an el train is passing by as payback.

    2. And the situations were identical and comparable because… they both involved cops and cars?

  32. “The killing is being investigated by the county sheriff’s department. Who wants to lay odds on the chances of an indictment?”

    Yeah, right. They were just doing their jobs. I think Cleveland cops should turn their backs on any public official that says that a police officer shouldn’t shoot unarmed people in the street. They’ve got such a tough job, you know.

    1. Fuck off, scum.

    2. The state AG wants to be involved, but the Mayor is resisting.

    3. Isn’t this is the kind of shit you advocate?

  33. Kizone Kaprow 6 minutes ago
    @WhoDooVoodoo12 “She was not harmed. There was no excessive force.”

    That can’t be right. According to libertarian cop-hate site Reason.com, the cops “intercepted Tamir’s sister as she ran to help him, knocked her on the ground, wrestled with her, held her down, handcuffed her, and placed her in the squad car a mere 10 feet away from her mortally wounded brother.”

    Who am I supposed to believe — you, or the propagandists at Reason?

    FlagShare

    1. Or the fucking video?

      1. Don’t look for any logic or honesty, that is a seriously deranged person.

        1. Sixty-two thousand four hundred repetitions make one truth.

          Lie and lie again.

  34. OT: Local police shooting that I have no reason to believe was not justified, but can you believe this quote from the police chief?

    Pittsburgh police Chief Cameron McLay was vague about what Sapp did with the gun, except to say that he held it “in a manner consistent with what one would use when trained to use a handgun against officers.”

    Has anyone here received a mailer for ‘handgun use against officer training’? I would think that someone here would have made it onto their mailing list.

    1. I think he meant trained in the “aimed” sense. Because if you use more words and more obscure words it means you’re smarter.

      1. I think police academies must have a special class about using big words that make you sound smart. Cops all seem to have that slightly odd way of speaking.

        1. ‘Does anyone her speak pig english?’

          1. here. Damn. It’s funnier without misspellings, usually.

          2. Ustifiedjay hootingsay.

    2. What not just say the craziest thing you can think of? The loyal bootlickers will defended you no matter what.

  35. Hey, they don’t like you guys very much in the comments section in this article. I told them it’s a mixed bag.

    “Kizone Kaprow 7 minutes ago
    @WhoDooVoodoo12 “She was not harmed. There was no excessive force.”

    That can’t be right. According to libertarian cop-hate site Reason.com, the cops “intercepted Tamir’s sister as she ran to help him, knocked her on the ground, wrestled with her, held her down, handcuffed her, and placed her in the squad car a mere 10 feet away from her mortally wounded brother.”

    Who am I supposed to believe — you, or the propagandists at Reason? “

    1. Shouldn’t communist scum like you be all for police murder?

      1. Tamir Rice was probably both a hoarder and a wrecker.

        1. Maybe it would have been better if he had been vanished, tortured, made to give a false confession, and sent to starve in a concentration camp.

          1. The Stasi would never have allowed themselves to be recorded.

            1. That just means they were more competent than our enforcers. That’s the only thing that gives me some hope: the fact that they’re incompetent fucktards.

          2. It would, Warty.

            Think of all the pubsec union jobs we could have in our gulag.

        2. Ulakkay.

      2. Mericans sociopath is for the right kind of cops. Socialists in brown shirts.

    2. That’s actually one old, crazy racist troll who’s been obsessed with this website for like 5 years.

      He’s just happy a black child got shot to death, but will fly into a murderous rage if you point out that he’s basically a Klansman.

      1. You’ve been here longer than I. Btw, it’s not the cop-haters at Reason I have a problem with (I am, after all, a *libertarian*socialist), it’s the shilling for billionaires and the RP that I fly into a murderous rage about. Libertarianism is way too important of a philosophy to let it get co-opted by right-wingers.

        1. a *libertarian*socialist

          Proof positive you don’t understand what libertarianism is.

          1. I know! I just don’t celebrate the electoral victory of the political party that likes military spending, wars in the Middle East, and the drug war like you guys do

            1. Yes, everyone here celebrates those things. Maybe consider that if you have to lie to advance your position, your position really sucks. Asshole.

            2. You’re right, we all cum in our pants when Lindsey Graham speaks. It’s just so inspiring.

              Fuck off, troll.

        2. Fuck you. Stalin and Mao are your heroes. You’re not libertarian anything, you disgusting little halfwit.

          1. It’s a joke– a derisive one aimed at the idea that if one supports a Welfare state one must be a communist. I was accused of supporting Pol Pot since I thought an increase in the minimum wage was a good idea so I put it up there.

            1. This is a joke? FUCK. YOU.

              1. Warty, are all libertarian whiny bitches like you? I’ll change it for you so you don’t spend 10 comments bitching about it

                1. You’ll change what? You’ll stop being a disgusting communist? You’ll stop worshiping mass murderers? Fuck you.

            2. No, you probably got accused of supporting Pol Pot because your rationale for a minimum wage raise ended up being the same economically fallacious tripe that socialist governments spout shortly before they begin killing their own people.

              You support an ideology that inevitably culminates in mass murder, unless the population is smart enough to reject it.

              1. Yes, of course, paying people 15/hr is kind of like emptying Phnom Penh to create a radical Maoist agrarian utopia.

                1. No just guarantees that small businesses will be taken off the market, and made less relevant. Which indirectly empowers the corporation. Ultimately, it doesn’t take a genius to understand that socialists don’t want a free market, or an equal society, they just want to control corporations, because if they didn’t, they wouldn’t advocate legislation, that almost guarantees them power, even if it costs them tons of money to attain.

        3. Libertarianism is way too important of a philosophy to let it get co-opted by right-wingers.

          Or left-wingers.

          1. You think libertarians are in danger of co-option from the Left? Listen, I’d love it if you guys would start reading Noam Chomsky and Bertrand Russell instead of swooning before abortion prohibitionists like rand Paul, but somehow I think that might be unlikely.

        4. I just don’t celebrate the electoral victory of the political party that likes military spending, wars in the Middle East, and the drug war like you guys do

          I would think you’d be thrilled at the prospects of the Democrats winning elections.

          1. The funny thing is these people actually think their party people have principles…

            HA

        5. american socialist:
          “it’s the shilling for billionaires and the RP that I fly into a murderous rage about.”

          I think they make a cream for that kind of butt-hurt.

  36. “Who am I supposed to believe — you, or the propagandists at Reason?”

    Certainly not that fabricated video. / s

  37. I’ve been reading some of Pro Liberate’s blog… That video did look like a slave patrol. You shoot the male and make sure he bleeds out, throw more valuable female in the back of the wagon, and off you go.

  38. It’s curious that this event didn’t garner the outrage like Michael Brown. I’m guessing the offending cops were not white.

    1. That’s what blows my damn mind. Gunned a 12 year old in cold blood on video. There should be a rampage in the street.

      Penny ante thug gets shot with no video and shady witnesses after committing a crime, OHMIGOD RACISTS!

      1. I know some folks (like my dad) who just glossed over Eric Garner because he figured it was just some kind of continuation of the Ferguson thing.

        It’s hard to imagine the same thing happening with this, but it’s not outside the realm of possibilities.

      2. I think it was John who had a good explanation for that. A clear cut case of brutality does not serve the purposes of the narrative because whites will be equally outraged and thus it can’t be used to gin up a fake racist outrage to pit blacks against whites and further the tribal balkanization that benefits certain groups and politicians, so the story will not be blown up and pushed. But a marginal case like Michael Brown pits blacks against whites, because white people correctly note that maybe the Brown incident was not really a bad shooting, and thus foments racial divisiveness to the advantage of the race hucksters and white guilt crowd. John put it in somewhat better terms, but it makes sense to me.

        1. After the reaction a lot of people had to the Garner case, I think there are a lot of people in this country who will defend the cop in virtually any of these incidents, though there are a good deal who can look at it rationally even if they are normally “law and order” types.

          I think we’ll have to wait to see if there is an indictment. The Garner case initially did not have as big a backlash as it did after the non-indictment.

          I think the reasons why some cases get more attention are complex. I think ones that are most controversial and the least clear are the easiest to promote for the media (and I’m talking about both left and right wing media), but that’s not the whole story. In Ferguson, the Brown shooting was a tipping point and because of the reaction, what would have otherwise been a local story became a national one.

        2. Ding ding ding.

          We have a winner!

          The protest organizers are all about state power. People are killed all the time by cops. It’s generally only the black criminals who are arguably a threat who get the air time.

          Garner was just a mistake, and got caught up in the momentum around Michael Brown.

          1. That’s not true.

            Eric Garner’s death came first, and Mike Brown’s came second – check the dates. It was the momentum of the Garner death that made people so mad, that the cops already figured they were going to have to bring in the National Guard.

    2. It’s cold in Cleveland. Even Napoleon was stopped by winter…

  39. Here’s our local police going gonzo for an actual felon.

    Note the gratuitous body armor and assault vehicle riding. All for a rapist that had barricaded himself in a motel room, no evidence of a gun. Something that probably could have been handled with a lot less. But the show of force isn’t for him I imagine.

    1. Way to bury the lede;

      he was pronounced dead not long after authorities found him unconscious

    2. It’s as if a felony arrest has to be accompanied by a parade and costume party. None of it has anything to do with the arrest – everything to do with letting the locals know who is in charge.

      1. Bingo. They took over the street in front of my business one time with a mobile command center for someone who claimed to have had a gun in his apartment. OK, I get it. But after it was all over, the cops parked in front of my driveway and shot the shit for twenty minutes, blocking traffic in and out of my business.

        Had the whole street to park on, but nope, we’re letting you know we’re in charge. Fuckers.

    3. something something about a hammer and nail

  40. I choose to believe it’s Mary because if it isn’t, there’s another one like her out there. And my mind can’t process that possibility.

    I go the other way. I would prefer not to believe a single person can be so monomaniacally obsessed with ANYTHING, much less a ragtag group of ineffectual internet crybabies.

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  43. Cop missed a perfectly good opportunity to choke the black girl. Should be disciplined for that.

  44. Regardless, they shot him within moments of arriving on the scene.

    let’s be clear here – they shot him within *seconds* of arriving.

    ‘Moments’ sort of implies a duration long enough to *think*.

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  46. What is important is what you definitely do NOT see in the video — the slightest interest or concern by the officers for the wounded 12 year old. It appears they were afraid come within 10 feet of him. But I’d say indecision and indifference were the two driving forces there.

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  51. Cleveland should change their laws so that people can have weapons and not be assaulted or killed by the police. The police should only get involved when people are committing crimes.

  52. Geez those barbarian mob-officer thugs in Haiti are really getting out of hand.
    Wait. That’s America?

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