Drinking Yourself to Death Is Not Quite As Easy As the CDC Implies

In a report published yesterday, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says alcohol poisoning killed an average of 2,221 people a year in the United States from 2010 through 2012. That's six people a day, which may not seem like much compared to smoking-related disease, which according to the CDC kills 1,315 people a day in the U.S., or even car accidents, which according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration kill 92 people a day (mostly in crashes that are not alcohol-related). But six fatalities a day is a lot compared to the death toll from, say, marijuana overdoses, which is zero. Nor is that the only way in which alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana. Acute poisoning accounts for less than 3 percent of the 88,000 or so annual deaths attributed to alcohol, while the most precise estimate of the death toll from marijuana is "more than zero."
This context helps put into perspective concerns about the consequences of marijuana legalization. In a report issued this week, the anti-pot group Project SAM says "there have been at least 2 deaths related to marijuana edibles in 2014." These are the only deaths attributed to marijuana that prohibitionists have been able to identify since Colorado legalized the drug at the end of 2012. One death was a murder, while the other was a fatal fall from a hotel balcony, and in both cases marijuana's causal role is debatable. During this same period, how many people died of alcohol-related causes in Colorado? Judging from the CDC's state-level data, around 150 Coloradans died just from acute alcohol poisoning—which, again, accounts for a small percentage of alcohol-related deaths. Data from 2006 through 2010 indicate that Colorado's two-year total would exceed 3,000. It's useful to be reminded that drinking yourself to death is relatively easy, while killing yourself with pot is pretty damned hard.
As usual, however, the CDC exaggerates the hazards of drinking by conflating common patterns of alcohol consumption with deadly recklessness. It warns that "binge drinking can lead to death from alcohol poisoning." That observation would be unobjectionable were it not for the CDC's idiosyncratic definition of "binge drinking," which it equates with consuming five drinks "on an occasion" for men; the cutoff for women is four drinks. That level of consumption, the CDC notes, "typically leads to a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) that exceeds 0.08 g/dL, the legal limit for driving in all states." In fact, that was the rationale for choosing these cutoffs, which are based on how alcohol affects driving ability, as opposed to how it affects the drinker's health.
According to the CDC, you should never be too drunk to drive, even if you have no intention of doing so. It implies that drinking that much endangers your health regardless of your transportation plans. Hence the absurd suggestion that someone with a BAC of 0.08 percent is on the verge of dying from alcohol poisoning, when in fact he would have to drink five to six times as much to enter that danger zone.
"The more you drink," the CDC warns, "the greater your risk of death." As a general proposition, that is simply not true: The relationship between alcohol consumption and mortality follows a J-shaped curve, meaning that drinking more is associated with better health—up to a point. According to a 2006 analysis of 34 prospective studies published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, mortality rates start to rise for men when they exceed an average daily consumption level of four drinks. That is probably a conservative estimate, since people tend to underreport their drinking, but it is still much more generous than the CDC's recommendation. The CDC says men should consume no more than 14 drinks a week, or an average of two a day. According to the CDC, less is always healthier—even when it isn't.
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If i knew it was going to be that hard I would have made plans for the weekend already.
This would be an appropriate time for an antidote to Warty's death metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4143SA8uQE
There's a lot of doctors tell me
That I'd better start slowing it down
But there's more old drunks than there are old doctors
So I guess we'd better have another round
Implying that I don't like Willie Nelson.
Not at all.
What about Ricky Nelson?
He could get good coke, couldn't he?
To all the girls I've raped before,
Who've traveled in, not out, my door
To all who came along,
I dedicate this song,
To all the girls I've raped before.
STEVE SMITH LIKE SONG!
The CDC is like 35 years behind the times. Everyone knows that suicide is slow with liquor.
Randy Rhoads is the best guitar player ever.
*Ahem*
And Joe Satriani is what, chopped guitar strings?
Satriani can lick Page's balls.
Hey, Satch is great too. Saw him, Vai, and Malmstein on the G3 tour about 10 years ago.
Those guys are all amazing technical guitarists. I just don't like their music.
^seconded
Also = Wayne Krantz, actual musician
Best Guitar Player arguments are a little too subjective for me. Instead, I like to argue over a dead guitarist's ability * stupidity of death. And I don't think anyone will ever beat Terry Kath there.
Yup. Fucked up a good band.
Very well. How about most shocking death? My vote is for Dimebag Darrell. Murdered on stage, holy fuck.
I don't think it has to be the decedent's stupidity. This is another strong entry. Does paranoid schizophrenia count as stupidity? I think it might.
I was bummed the fuck out over Dimebag's murder for months. What a shitshow.
Yeah, that was a major bummer. Though I didn't like Damageplan that much.
Did you ever hear the album they did with David Allan Coe?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2jwYmXuJio
This is hilarious. Who would have thought David Allan Coe would outlive anyone?
Yeah, it was recorded when pantera went on hiatus, but they had a bunch of problems getting it released. Dime used to tell Vinnie all the time " We gotta get this thing released before the old man kicks the bucket."
I haven't. It is as awesome as it seems like it should be?
Generally yes, but there are a few moments that don't quite seem to fit.
I got to see Dimebag when Zombie opened up for Pantera back in '96. Good show.
Yeah, that happened here unfortunately. Dude that shot him was insane.
Alrosa Villa, 2004. RIP Dimebag.
No way. Yngwie Malmsteen forever!
You've unleashed the fucking fury bitch!
Happened to see him while trippen balls. It was pretty awesome. Great night.
Leo Kottke ftw
say, marijuana overdoses, which is zero
Liar! 99% of scientists agree that pot kills!
/Tony the rocket surgeon
Was watching this Pot Barons of Colorado show. Turns out about 50% of the market is in edibles. Well first you had tge Maureen Dawd bad trip story, then some dude are a pot cookie and jumped off a building (siund familiar), than some dude suppossibly paranoid and hallucinating from pot shhots his wife. "Smart Moms" read nanny bitche, spring into action and get all this costly "emergany" legislation passed "for the children". Never mind that none of these women buy these products and have them in the home. Their arguments were so fucking stupid but the politicians of course rolled over.
I've had worse experiances from tequila. Its called learning. Its what grown ups do.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/da.....noia-hell/
I enjoy how you phrased that- with a caveat. Even grown-ups should make a point of never stopping the learning.
Though, admittedly, tequila can be a very hard master and seems predisposed to breaking as many laws as possible at any given time no matter where and how.
This is why I generally don't drink tequila unless I'm on my own land where the laws are far more conducive to tequila's side-stepping style.
I limit myself to half a bottle of tequila when I drink. Unfortunately, Costco introduced a half-gallon sized bottle.
Sorry about the editing but on android.
Another interesting tidbit. State ran a sting on pot stores related to selling to minors. Zero violations.
They have obviously evolved to a higher life form. I have to add that this is sarcasm because I know you would take it seriously otherwise.
So according to the CDC, I died in grad school. Interesting.
I die a little most nights- but my liver is strong like bull.
According to the CDC, I'm pretty sure the entire Reason commentariat is dead from alcohol poisoning.
Sorry, I'm not dead yet. I usually get bored of drinking after a couple drinks.
Me too. And when I'm bored I drink.
*head explodes*
I'm dead? Then why am I still working? Dammit.
I'm already dead...
Love White Zombie!
I saw that tour. Last show I saw at Red Rocks before moving to Maine. It was awesome.
Sweet:)
Fortunately the Swiss do not care if you are undead, as long as your work is high quality!
I keep wondering the same thing. But apparently I cannot be killed by drinking and I don't have enough money to quit working, but I have enough that I can't drink it all up. What a conundrum.
On the bright side, that should free up a lot of your time, I guess.
Was there a bright light? Was it neon?
It looked like the light coming through a Bombay Sapphire bottle!
I prefer the light coming through a Hendricks bottle...none.
I think you should try different lights, bro. Just some advice from the woods.
This may be one of those times when I take the wrong thing seriously. But they are saying that you binge drank in grad school.
No, no.... I am pretty sure I died.
But they are saying that you binge drank in grad school.
Am I the only one who thinks the definition of binge drinking should also include some second-order mathematics?
It just seems like having any given number of drinks per day, with consistency negates the notion of a binge. One drink a day to five over the course of a month makes sense to be defined as a binge; going from four drinks a day for the last 10 yrs. to five just seems like... maturity.
While binge drinking is more common among young adults aged 18?34 years, binge drinkers aged 65 years and older report binge drinking more often?an average of five to six times a month.2
Binge drinking is more common among those with household incomes of $75,000 or more than among those with lower incomes.2
Although college students commonly binge drink, 70% of binge drinking episodes involve adults age 26 years and older.4
One death was a murder, while the other was a fatal fall from a hotel balcony, and in both cases marijuana's causal role is debatable.
It won't be long before any death of a person who has marijuana in their system will be counted as a marijuana related death. Killed by a car that ran a red light, but was high at the time? Marijuana caused it!
As I mentioned above fucking nanny vultures jumped all over that shit. Problem is that the pot legalization came from the people. The soccor moms and existing power structure didn't want it. The state will try and nickle and dime it out of existance at every opportunity. It evidently prefers the violence of the black market. It already has the feds on its side.
Don't forget the MJ'ed up cannibal zombie in Florida.
I'll say this about you guys, there is a refreshing lack of AA trolls on these articles.
Drinking Yourself to Death Is Not Quite As Easy As the CDC Implies
That sounds like a challenge.
Some kids in Cincinnati died drinking 190 some 35 years ago appx. Still can't buy it in Ohio since then. Again, the puritans grabbing hold of anything to control our lives.
You can get it at the PX at Camp Perry, and I think that's the only place you can. So you can technically get it in Ohio, and being technically correct is the best kind of correct.
Drinking yourself to death really isn't that hard to do. Most people just have the sense not to.
How do you get the room to spin like this?
I learned when I was 17 that, contrary to my theory, standing up and spinning in the opposite direction of the room doesn't help.
+1 top quark
It's not sense. It's the passing out that prevents it.
Drinking yourself to death really isn't that hard to do.
It's called the Walmart beer and wine aisle. If you can die on Walmart liquor you probably, well, shit...
Challenge accepted
The J curve argument is similar to the argument regarding radiations affects on health. Similar to alcohol, the TOP MEN tell us that any amount of radiation over 0 will increase our risk of cancer. However, there has been approximately ZERO studies that show this to be true at low levels of radiation ie less than 100 mSv acute dose and less than ~1 Sv per year.
I generally drink heavy and often but I decided that it was the recklessness issue that would likely kill me so I cut that out after I fell on a clay pot on the deck and ended up with a massive shark wound on my side. My brother was over that night and we tried to stitch this massive cut up with found thread from a sewing kit but the flesh flap kept sliding all over my left ribs and the blood wouldn't stop and then the wife showed up and Satan ran and hid. Three seconds later we're heading to the hospital at 4 in the morn.
Ended up just fine with a huge scar.
The booze can stay- I'm predisposed to suicidal activities so I cut that bitch off at the knees a few years back and so it goes. Not saying that crazy shit doesn't happen here... just saying that crazy shit is limited to staying quite alive and unbroken and happily drunk.
Jesus, most men can drink 5 drinks and are only "probably" above the legal driving limit? I feel too woozy to drive after 2. If I had 5 you'd have to scrape me off the floor.
to protect your body health ,drink little alcohol or give up it, have a good diet will be good and safe.